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Ruby Franke Husband's Stunning Admission · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the highly popular mommy vlagger
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  Speaker 1: with millions of followers as she doled out parenting advice,
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  Speaker 1: only to be charged with felonies and sentenced after her
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  Speaker 1: children found beaten and starved traumatized in the last days.
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  Speaker 1: The husband of the evil Mommy vlagger, Ruby Frankie, leaves
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  Speaker 1: viewers outraged by what he says on air. I'm Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: The husband of the YouTube mommy vlogger, Ruby Frankie leaves
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  Speaker 1: viewers stunned and sickened. He says he still loves his
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  Speaker 1: wife despite her devilish abuse of their children. Kevin Frankie
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  Speaker 1: and son Chad sat down on GMA for the first
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  Speaker 1: time ahead of their Hulu documentary Devil in the Family
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  Speaker 1: The Fall of Ruby Frankie. Despite Ruby Frankie convicted of stunning,
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  Speaker 1: horrific child abuse on their two young children, he says
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  Speaker 1: he still loves her. Quote, I don't think I'll ever
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  Speaker 1: stop loving her. I'm quote not ashamed to say after
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  Speaker 1: being married over twenty years to that woman, I truly
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  Speaker 1: did and still.
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  Speaker 2: Do love her.
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  Speaker 1: He also told that to people since Frankie has been
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  Speaker 1: sent to jail on a thirty year sentence. The husband
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  Speaker 1: and children have quote reconnected and their home is now
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  Speaker 1: full of quote laughter. I've always wondered where he was
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  Speaker 1: during all the child abuse?
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  Speaker 2: What exactly happened?
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  Speaker 1: What does it mean when you're an influencer with literally
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  Speaker 1: millions of so called followers, when your child sneaks out
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  Speaker 1: of a window, completely emaciated, starved, with signs all their.
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  Speaker 2: Bodies that they have been bound.
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  Speaker 1: Tied up, likely with at least duct tape. What kind
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  Speaker 1: of an influencer is that? Well, according to me, that's
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  Speaker 1: the kind of influencer that would best spend their time
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  Speaker 1: behind bars. Let's see who they can influence in the
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  Speaker 1: CI Correctional Institute. That's where I'm coming from. But I'll
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  Speaker 1: let you judge for yourself. Let's kick it off with
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  Speaker 1: our friends at ABC.
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  Speaker 3: Arrest documents seeing the child escape to a neighbor's home.
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  Speaker 3: The twelve year old child described by that neighbor in
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  Speaker 3: a phone call to police as emaciated and malnourished, with
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  Speaker 3: open wounds. For documents also describing deep lacerations from being
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  Speaker 3: tied up with a rope.
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  Speaker 4: About the saying that their sister are back.
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  Speaker 5: At the homeless bum.
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  Speaker 3: Police say they also found Frankie's ten year old daughter malnourished.
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  Speaker 3: Frankie is known for her strict parenting advice to millions
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  Speaker 3: of TikTok and YouTube followers.
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  Speaker 6: Police say a clearly malnourished twelve year old child crawled
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  Speaker 6: out of the window of Hildebrand's Ivans Area home. A
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  Speaker 6: neighbor called nine one one when he showed up at
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  Speaker 6: their house asking for food and water. Officers say his
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  Speaker 6: wrists were duct taped, he had wounds from being tied
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  Speaker 6: up across his body. Investigators say they found a ten
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  Speaker 6: year old girl inside the same house who was also malnourished.
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  Speaker 1: And also hearing our friends at KSL. So we have
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  Speaker 1: at least one child who had apparently just turned twelve,
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  Speaker 1: crawling out the window of the family home starved. And
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  Speaker 1: believe you me, if you haven't ever seen it, I
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  Speaker 1: hope you never. I pray to God you never do,
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  Speaker 1: because when you see a child that has been starved
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  Speaker 1: as I have, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Something you never forget.
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  Speaker 1: I remember when I was going to cover the Alex
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  Speaker 1: Mardog double murder trial, I passed a yard and there
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  Speaker 1: was a dog tied up in the front yard to
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  Speaker 1: a steak, and I could see the dog's ribs, and
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  Speaker 1: it reminds me when I went to Aruba with Natalie
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  Speaker 1: Holloway's mother just recently, tried to turn up new evidence
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  Speaker 1: far at the end of the island where the lighthouse is.
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  Speaker 1: There was a pack of dogs, maybe four or five
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  Speaker 1: of them, that kept coming up to us, chasing after us,
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  Speaker 1: and they looked like skeletons that their ribs were poking out,
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  Speaker 1: and it just I thought about them over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over. And when you see a child with their
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  Speaker 1: ribs poking out, clearly emaciated, I can't even get the
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  Speaker 1: dogs out of my mind, much less the children that
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  Speaker 1: I saw that way as a prosecutor, and not just once,
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over food deprivation, starving your child.
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  Speaker 1: I think about this twelve year old little boy to
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  Speaker 1: the point where he crawls out the window and goes
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  Speaker 1: to a neighbor asking for food, and the neighbor sees lacerations,
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  Speaker 1: lacerations for the child has been tied up, and then
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  Speaker 1: we learn that there's another child in the home, a
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  Speaker 1: ten year old little girl with the same lacerations, mal nutrition,
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  Speaker 1: malnourished living in that home.
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  Speaker 2: Who and the hell is the mommy?
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  Speaker 1: Who in the hell is the dad that would do
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  Speaker 1: this to their children? Well, I hope you're sitting down.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at GMA.
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  Speaker 3: A Utah mom influencer arrested facing six felony counts of
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  Speaker 3: aggravated child abuse. For the first time, we're hearing emergency
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  Speaker 3: responders as they see one of Ruby Frankie's children after
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  Speaker 3: he allegedly escaped through a window.
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  Speaker 4: Email does have don K brown ankle. He's not telling
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  Speaker 4: up to the right and so that their tours around
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  Speaker 4: his with an ankles. He's becoming he's becoming emotional regarding
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  Speaker 4: the child's health. I'm glad to.
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  Speaker 1: Have with me an all star panel to make sense
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  Speaker 1: of what we know right now. But first I want
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  Speaker 1: to go to investigative reporter with KSL dot com out
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  Speaker 1: of Utah. Emily Ashcraft is with us. Emily, thank you
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  Speaker 1: from being with us. Who is this woman?
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  Speaker 7: Who is she? She is a family YouTuber of Logger
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  Speaker 7: and the Family. Actually it's it's YouTube channel faded out
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  Speaker 7: or stopped recently and she started up another YouTube channeler
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  Speaker 7: as a counselor instead.
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  Speaker 2: Of a mom. What is eight Passengers so that that's.
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  Speaker 7: The family's YouTube channel, and you know, she said in
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  Speaker 7: an article KSL wrote years ago that she started the
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  Speaker 7: channel because she wanted other moms who were kind of
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  Speaker 7: starting out with infants to see what it's like to
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  Speaker 7: have kids that are getting older. Kind of the rewards
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  Speaker 7: of motherhood is what she wanted to show off in
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  Speaker 7: her in the eight Passengers YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 1: Ruby Rankie YouTuber mom of six Ruby.
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  Speaker 2: Rankie f R A n K. How many followers?
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  Speaker 1: I understand over two point two million subscribers to eight
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  Speaker 1: Passengers channel.
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  Speaker 7: That's the numbers that I've seen as well.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, who in the hay is drinking the kool aid?
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  Speaker 2: That's what I want to know.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to go now to Donna Kelly, former
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  Speaker 1: Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney and lawyer for Crime Victims
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  Speaker 1: Legal Clinic. Donna, thank you for being with us. And
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  Speaker 1: I've seen this over and over and over. It's not
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  Speaker 1: just a story. It's not something we're reporting on. It's
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  Speaker 1: not some fiction or TV made for TV movie. Not
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  Speaker 1: only do you have the parents abusing the child horribly,
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  Speaker 1: but people around them, they know what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: And they do nothing. What is wrong with these people.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not as if this just happened and
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  Speaker 1: they suddenly see, oh, the child has bruises all over
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  Speaker 1: their arms.
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  Speaker 2: That's suspicious. They're starved, they're starved.
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  Speaker 1: That takes a long period of time, Donna Kelly, and
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  Speaker 1: nobody noticed.
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  Speaker 8: Yes it does.
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  Speaker 9: And unfortunately, many abusers are have the mindset that they
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  Speaker 9: work hard at portraying themselves as you know, the good parent,
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  Speaker 9: the parent you go to when you need advice. That
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  Speaker 9: type of thing is not uncommon, and so that appears
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  Speaker 9: to be what's going on here is that this particular
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  Speaker 9: set of parents decided that they were going to portray
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  Speaker 9: themselves as the ideal parent and put that out there
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  Speaker 9: to the world, and apparently a lot, at least two
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  Speaker 9: point two million people were fooled.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, I just want you to hear something. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Fox thirteen.
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  Speaker 10: Independent journalist and YouTuber Katie Paulson tracks child abuse cases.
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  Speaker 10: She says Frankie YouTube channel Eat Passengers caught her attention.
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  Speaker 11: And she was saying how she would send her daughter
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  Speaker 11: to school with no food and it was almost like
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  Speaker 11: she was bragging about it.
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  Speaker 10: She recalls another time when Frankie's son openly talked about
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  Speaker 10: his punishment on the channel.
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  Speaker 11: He was talking about how he had been sleeping on
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  Speaker 11: the floor on a bean bag chair, and how his
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  Speaker 11: mom had taken away his bed and is taking away
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  Speaker 11: his door.
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  Speaker 1: That child had to sleep on a bean bag chair
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  Speaker 1: for seven plus months for pulling a prank on his brother,
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  Speaker 1: A prank, I might add, that didn't even cause any
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  Speaker 1: physical harm. What he did was he told the brother
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  Speaker 1: they were going to Disneyland the next morning, and the
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  Speaker 1: brother got up and packed, put on his sunglasses and was.
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  Speaker 2: Ready to go. It was a show they didn't go
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  Speaker 2: to disney Land. That was surprising.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace and another bomb Shell. Regarding
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  Speaker 1: Ruby Frankie in the past days, we learn her daughter states,
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  Speaker 1: I helped clean blood off the wall. Oh gosh. Daughter
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  Speaker 1: of Ruby Frankie. Sherry Frankie says a brother Chad in
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  Speaker 1: this upcoming Hulu docu series Devil in the Family, The
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  Speaker 1: Fall of Ruby Frankie quote, I did always feel bad
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  Speaker 1: when he got in trouble, I guess, referring to brother Chad.
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  Speaker 1: Sherry Frankie the eldest daughter of family vlogger child to
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  Speaker 1: be is a Ruby. Frankie opens up, she reveals she
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  Speaker 1: had to quote clean blood off the walls after her
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  Speaker 1: younger brother Chad was quote beat really bad. Quote he
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  Speaker 1: got a bloody nose. I'd bring him toilet paper and
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  Speaker 1: didn't really know what to do. Oh my stars, what
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  Speaker 1: these children endured When the series son, Chad claims the
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  Speaker 1: abuse was hidden from viewers, recalling quote times she blew
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  Speaker 1: up off camera. She would spank, whip, take the belt out,
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  Speaker 1: pull down my pants, whip me. We've learned a lot
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  Speaker 1: more from the criminal case. At the get Go, Ruby
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  Speaker 1: and Kevin frank brushed off their critics, insisting their very
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  Speaker 1: disturbing videos which showed them taking away necessities as punishment.
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  Speaker 1: They claimed those criticisms were taken out of context and
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  Speaker 1: their children were fine. They were anything but fine. This
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  Speaker 1: my brags about withholding food and bragging about it online.
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  Speaker 2: What I also don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, you can
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  Speaker 1: find her at psychologydoctor dot com, she's bad enough, But
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  Speaker 1: who are the two point two million people that tune
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  Speaker 1: in to watch or gibberish.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you I certainly wasn't tuning in
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  Speaker 5: and I'd never even heard of Ruby Frank until this
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  Speaker 5: came up. But what's more deplorables her sidekick, Jodie Hildebrandt,
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  Speaker 5: who's a license professional, who's observing this the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: Two point two million people are following this witch straight
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  Speaker 1: from hell. I want you to hear more of what
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  Speaker 1: we have learned. Take a listen to our friends at
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  Speaker 1: Fox thirteen.
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  Speaker 10: Diane Nevins remembers and being horrified at what she was
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  Speaker 10: watching on YouTube.
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  Speaker 12: It was kind of like every video there was something
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  Speaker 12: to be shocked about. Her son couldn't walk from until
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  Speaker 12: he was like two and a half years old, and
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  Speaker 12: she never got any help. And she admitted that she
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  Speaker 12: had a one point he'd fallen off the couch or
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  Speaker 12: she dropped him. He had got no no physical therapy anything.
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  Speaker 10: Nevin says when she commented her concern, she was blocked
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  Speaker 10: by Frankie.
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  Speaker 1: What exactly to Emily Askroff, joining US investigative reporter for
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  Speaker 1: KSL dot com, what was found in the home After
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  Speaker 1: the neighbor has to call nine one one when she
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  Speaker 1: gets a twelve year old little boy who says his
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  Speaker 1: ten year old sisters inside of the same injuries starved,
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  Speaker 1: starved and covered in lacerations showing the child had been
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  Speaker 1: tied up.
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  Speaker 2: What they cops find when they go inside.
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  Speaker 7: They found a second child, and that the two youngest
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  Speaker 7: children in the family were both so starved that the
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  Speaker 7: one that didn't crawl out and initially refused medical care,
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  Speaker 7: but they after interacting with her for a while, they
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  Speaker 7: kind of said, let's go to the hospital as well,
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  Speaker 7: and both of the women were churched with six counts,
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  Speaker 7: three for each child of aggravated child abuse.
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  Speaker 1: Authorities say that both children were described as quote their words,
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  Speaker 1: not mine, emaciated and malnourished, with open wounds and duct
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  Speaker 1: tapes around the extremities, begging.
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  Speaker 2: For food and water. Begging for food and water.
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  Speaker 1: This woman actually has a YouTube channel where she dispenses advice.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just imagining the inside of that home and how
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  Speaker 1: the children were bound with duct tape and apparently their
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  Speaker 1: skin was burned with ropes having tied them up. What
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  Speaker 1: kind of mothering and fathering is that? And it brings
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  Speaker 1: to mind the so called House of Horrors. Yes, the
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  Speaker 1: evil Turpin parents their daughter crawled out of the house
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  Speaker 1: out of a window and ran to call nine to
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  Speaker 1: one one to save her brothers and sisters. They were
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  Speaker 1: found in the same exact condition. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: hour cut thirty five. Our friends at ac GTN.
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  Speaker 13: Officials say when they entered the Turpin home they found
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  Speaker 13: a modern day horror, foul smell, extremely dirty conditions, and
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  Speaker 13: they say it was immediately clear that the siblings were malnourished.
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  Speaker 13: Authorities say they found three of the children shackled to
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  Speaker 13: their beds with chains and padlocks, kept in dark and
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  Speaker 13: unclean conditions inside this Riverside County, California home. Deputies located
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  Speaker 13: twelve children inside the house as young as two years old.
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  Speaker 1: And upon further investigation, when authorities went to their last
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  Speaker 1: home where the Turpins lived, they found claw marks on
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  Speaker 1: the inside of closet doors where children had tried to
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  Speaker 1: claw their way out. And listen to this nine to
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  Speaker 1: one one calling our cut thirty six. This is a
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  Speaker 1: Turpin child that crawled out the window much like this
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  Speaker 1: influencer's child did.
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  Speaker 14: Okay, I lived in a family of fifteen people, and
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  Speaker 14: my parents are abused in the abused us and my
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  Speaker 14: two little sisters right now are chaned up?
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  Speaker 15: And how many of your siblings are tied up?
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  Speaker 8: Of my sisters, one my brother, how are they tied
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  Speaker 8: up with.
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  Speaker 16: Rope or with what.
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  Speaker 14: Changed up to their bed?
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  Speaker 2: Guys?
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  Speaker 1: Also, I can't forget the case of Jennifer Wolfthall take
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  Speaker 1: a listener cut thirty four our friend Stephen helling over
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  Speaker 1: at people dot com.
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  Speaker 17: According to an arrest report obtained by WFTV, wolf Thal
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  Speaker 17: was arrested that time after her husband arrived at the
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  Speaker 17: hospital with their eight year old daughter, who suffered from
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  Speaker 17: conditions including pneumonia, a staff infection, and liver failure. Authorities
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  Speaker 17: say the girl was also malnourished and had multiple bruises,
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  Speaker 17: a skin infection, and several open wounds. Wolf Thal is
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  Speaker 17: the author of the children's book A Real Friend. It
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  Speaker 17: has been removed from sale by its publisher.
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  Speaker 1: See the connection I'm making right there. You've got this
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  Speaker 1: woman who is an influencer who has a YouTube channel
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  Speaker 1: about parenting.
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  Speaker 2: She has mistreated and abused her children. They're starving, They're
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  Speaker 2: tied up with duct tape.
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  Speaker 1: When cots get there, they still have duct tape on
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  Speaker 1: their extremities.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like they have rope burns, and.
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  Speaker 1: They're begging for food and water, having to climb out
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  Speaker 1: the window to get to a phone to call nine
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  Speaker 1: to one one, begging neighbors to give them something to eat.
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  Speaker 2: And here is this book author.
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  Speaker 1: Who has her child covered in bruises, with skin infections,
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  Speaker 1: open wounds.
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  Speaker 2: You know what makes Ruby Frankie.
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  Speaker 1: Different from the Turpin mom? Ruby Frankie is glamorous. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she has this YouTube channel and boys, she making the
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  Speaker 1: most of it. Guys, I want you to take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to doctor free has joining us pediatrician, pediatric emergency
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  Speaker 1: medicine expert, child safety expert. And you can find doctor
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  Speaker 1: free has at pdmom dot com. Let me spell that
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't look like it sounds. It's like pediatrician p
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  Speaker 1: as in Peter E. D as in daffodil I p
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  Speaker 1: edimom dot com. Doctor free has thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. What this woman has is hair and makeup.
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  Speaker 1: That's what makes her different from the Turpin family or
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  Speaker 1: the other mom. They're all builds a up straight from hell.
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  Speaker 1: They're the devil's minions.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, and that's actually a very big misconception that a
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  Speaker 15: lot of people have about abusers. Child abusers specifically. I
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  Speaker 15: think a lot of people have in their mind that
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  Speaker 15: it's only a certain type of person that can do
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  Speaker 15: these types of evil things to children, and it's not.
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  Speaker 16: It can literally be anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you think you know your neighbor, You
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  Speaker 1: think you know all about what's going on in your neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: These children are being starved in their own home, assaulted,
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  Speaker 1: tied up with ropes and with duct tape that we
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  Speaker 1: know of based on the evidence we're hearing so far,
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  Speaker 1: and nobody did a thing, And people kept watching.
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  Speaker 2: This woman online.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray. Jason Jensen joining me Salt
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  Speaker 1: Lake City, Utah, private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations,
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  Speaker 1: co founder of the Cold Case Coalition, and you can
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  Speaker 1: find them at Jensenprivate Investigations dot com. This is in
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  Speaker 1: your neck of the woods. What do you have to say, Well.
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  Speaker 8: Nancy, there's a lot that can be said here. It's
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  Speaker 8: interesting that you know the outer image that was being portrayed,
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  Speaker 8: you know, like you describer Glamour's mom raising six kids,
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  Speaker 8: wants to show off to the world how to do
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  Speaker 8: it right. Well, you know that seems to really have
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  Speaker 8: like a Mormon household style image. Oftentimes in the church
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  Speaker 8: here in our community, they try to portray to the
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  Speaker 8: world a model style of raising a family, and unfortunately
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  Speaker 8: this lady took matters way to the extreme. We're not
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  Speaker 8: just showing like discipline online, but goes to the extreme
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  Speaker 8: of child abuse.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Jensen, isn't it true that your children have actually
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  Speaker 1: watched this woman's YouTube channel?
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  Speaker 2: What did they think?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy, Actually, my two kids were the ones that
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  Speaker 8: brought Ruby Frankie to my attention because years ago, when
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: they were younger, they watched and enjoyed the channel, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: sometimes they got a kick out of it because she
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: was such a gruff parent. She was always harsh on them,
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: and it kind of gave them the impression that she
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: was a disciplinary And what both of my kids said
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: is pertaining to So the two younger kids, the subjects
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: the victims of this recent arrest is they said they
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: could tell mom did not like these two kids very well.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Guys, when someone did try to speak out against Ruby Frankie,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: take a listen to what happened in our cut seventeen
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  Speaker 1: Fox thirteen.
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  Speaker 10: Paulson also saying when she did a report on what
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: Frankie and her kids were seeing in the videos. She
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: was threatened to be sued. She forwarded me an email
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: from Frankie's lawyer sent in twenty twenty that says, in part,
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: we represent the family blog Channel Eat passengers who continued
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: to be harmed by defamatory videos uploaded to YouTube by
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: your client and saying it resulted in a baseless visit
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  Speaker 10: by Child Protective Services.
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: They always say, if you see something, say something, and
• 22:42
  Speaker 11: in this case, when people said something, they were threatened.
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  Speaker 2: Let me understand something.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Emily Ashcroft joining us from KSL, Child Protective Services went
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to the hall. Even though now Frankie is climbing. That
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: was baseless and what they found nothing, They couldn't tell
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: anything was going on.
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they went to the home tool to talk about
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: those claims that you brought up in videos. It was
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: clear that she sent a child to school without lunch
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: and had a child sleeping on a bean bag, and
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: so they went to investigate those and that that didn't
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: lead to any charges at that point. You know it's
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: red flags, but I guess not flativity.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I watched it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: She brags about with holding food from her children.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: How is that okay?
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Take a listnour Cut twenty two. This is Ruby Frankie
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: in eight Passengers.
• 23:31
  Speaker 18: Russell got the big bedroom and Check got the smaller bedroom.
• 23:35
  Speaker 18: And Russell's bigger bedroom also had a bathroom. But what
• 23:38
  Speaker 18: you guys didn't know was he didn't get any room.
• 23:41
  Speaker 19: He didn't get anything.
• 23:43
  Speaker 18: He was sleeping on the floor in the family room.
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: Abby.
• 23:46
  Speaker 18: We took the phone away from Abby in November and
• 23:51
  Speaker 18: you may never get the phone back. And my kids
• 23:55
  Speaker 18: are literally starving. I hesitate to say this because it's
• 23:58
  Speaker 18: gonna sound.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Like I'm like a mean barbier.
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  Speaker 18: But I told the kids, I said, I'm not even
• 24:02
  Speaker 18: gonna let you eat breakfast until you get your chores done.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: It's not just that she's withholding food, and it's not
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: just because they didn't do chores one morning before school.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: It's all the time.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: You don't get to a point of starvation when you
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: occasionally skip breakfast. Isn't that true, Doctor free hes pediatrician.
• 24:26
  Speaker 16: Yeah. Absolutely. You don't get the move feeded by missing
• 24:29
  Speaker 16: a meal or two here or there, and you don't
• 24:32
  Speaker 16: appear to be that to outside people unless you're missing
• 24:35
  Speaker 16: a substantial amount of meals and nutrition, which can then
• 24:40
  Speaker 16: lead to a whole host of other things that unfortunately
• 24:42
  Speaker 16: these kids may have to deal with.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: So in one fell sweet we hear about with holding
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: food until chores are done in the morning, not giving one.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Child a place to sleep. But there's a amount of bragging.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: A bravado of joeviality, of cheer, and the way she
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: describes how she's treating her children and what everybody just
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: stands by and lifts it up.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Why they're a big at the trough.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Take a listen hour cut twenty four more of Ruby Frankie.
• 25:20
  Speaker 19: I just got a text message from Eve's teacher and
• 25:24
  Speaker 19: she said that Eve did not pack a lunch today
• 25:27
  Speaker 19: and can I bring a lunch over to the school.
• 25:29
  Speaker 19: This happens quite often when you're having raising children, because
• 25:34
  Speaker 19: I know that her teacher is uncomfortable with her being
• 25:38
  Speaker 19: hungry and not having a lunch, and it would ease
• 25:41
  Speaker 19: her discomfort if I came to the school with lunch.
• 25:44
  Speaker 19: But I responded and just said Eve is responsible for
• 25:47
  Speaker 19: making her lunches in the morning, and she actually told
• 25:50
  Speaker 19: me she did pack a lunch. So the natural outcome
• 25:54
  Speaker 19: is she's just going to need to be hungry and
• 25:56
  Speaker 19: hopefully nobody gives her food and nobody stepped in and
• 25:59
  Speaker 19: gives her a line.
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  Speaker 1: Un And isn't it true that at that time, Emily
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Ashcroft KSL this little girl was only six years old.
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  Speaker 7: That's what I saw is this is a you know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: first grader, just you know, first year. She's bringing food
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: to food to school probably and the later the mom said,
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: you know, justifying it after after child protective services were called,
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: she said, you know, it was I didn't learn until
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: two hours before the end of school and it was
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: a forty five minute drive, so getting it to.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Her really, because that's not what she said in her.
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: Blood, her gratitude.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: She said it was because the child didn't the six
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: year old girl did not pack her own lunch.
• 26:41
  Speaker 16: She changed said that.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: She knew it would ease the teacher's discomfort if her
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: child had food.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: What about the child? What about the child's discomfort? No,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: that's not all.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cuts twenty seven to twenty
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: eight more of Ruby.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Frankie Kevin and I.
• 26:59
  Speaker 18: We have six children. The two youngest are showing long
• 27:03
  Speaker 18: patterns of selfishness. They have been showing through their choices,
• 27:07
  Speaker 18: their unwillingness to repent their unwillingness to feel sorrow over
• 27:12
  Speaker 18: some pretty egregious choices that they've made. So Kevin and
• 27:16
  Speaker 18: I have decided that we are going to give the
• 27:19
  Speaker 18: gift of truth to them this year for Christmas. We
• 27:22
  Speaker 18: are having to give them the gift of boundaries, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 18: we're going to give them the gift of repentance. So
• 27:28
  Speaker 18: we sat down with them and we let them know
• 27:32
  Speaker 18: how deeply sorrowful we've been because of the choices that
• 27:36
  Speaker 18: they have been making and how it's affected their teachers
• 27:38
  Speaker 18: at school, it's affected their peers, it's affected in our home,
• 27:43
  Speaker 18: the siblings, and we just laid it out very clear,
• 27:46
  Speaker 18: and we told them that this year they are not
• 27:51
  Speaker 18: going to be visited by Santa. We let them know
• 27:54
  Speaker 18: that Christmas morning, therefore, older siblings will be getting Christmas
• 27:58
  Speaker 18: presents to open that they will have the gift of
• 28:02
  Speaker 18: love from their dad to night.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's just examine what we just heard.
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  Speaker 1: Donna Kelly joining me, former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Donna.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: She says, the youngest two, which I believe to be
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: around the ages of six and seven, were unwilling to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: quote repent. So, therefore, while all the other children were
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: visited by Santa, the two little ones were not because
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: they would not quote repent. I didn't make that up.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: She said that, And after you speak, I'm going to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: need a shrink on this. Go ahead, Donna Kelly and Donna.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I know you've seen this, as have I, where one
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: or more children are picked out as the targets. Although
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I think all of these children have been abused and mistreated, seemingly,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: one usually is picked out as the most despised and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: hated and their torture more than anyone else. These two children,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: as they watch their sisters and brothers get Christmas Morning surprises.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: They get nothing.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: And then there are two children that are bound with
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: duct tape and ropes and starved. I just want to
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: get my hands around this woman's neck. Then, not only
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: does she do this to her children behind closed doors,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: she brags about it on a YouTube channel that is
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: two point two million followers.
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: It's just absolutely heartbreaking to listen to her portray herself
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: as the victim. You know, we told these two children
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: that their dad and I were very sorrowful, and so
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: she's portraying herself as the victim, which is a very
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: common abuser tactic, you know, gaslighting the victim. And these
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: are children. They need to learn by trial and error
• 30:02
  Speaker 9: as they go along, and the parents need to be
• 30:07
  Speaker 9: responding to them in that way, in a kind and
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: loving way. And it's just absolutely heartbreaking. I can see
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: why they were charged with severe emotional harm of these
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: two children. In the charging document, they're charged with not
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: only torture maltrition, but also severe emotional harm, which it
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: absolutely is.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, what do
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you make of the other children, four of them getting
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: all their Christmas gifts from Santa and these two being
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: left out on Christmas morning one of the biggest days,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: one of the two biggest days in the Christian year,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: that being Christmas and Easter, and they're left out because
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't quote repent.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she wants to make an example out of them,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: punish them, humiliate them. You know, it's all this sort
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: of brainwashing, gaslightingness.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I'm a six year old, gaslighting, manipulating, abusing a six
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: year old child and her brother.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: So let me understand something.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: The Emily Ashcroft, the six year old child that had
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: food withheld, would that be the now ten year old
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: child left behind in the home, starving and tied up.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: When the twelve year old brother escapes through the window.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: That would be that same child.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: So this has been going on since the little girl
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: was six and the little boy was eight.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: One of the things that Ruby Frankie said after her
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: arrest was that those children weren't fit to be around
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: other children. And I'm not sure what she means by that,
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: but it seems like it was specific to those two guys.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut thirty.
• 31:58
  Speaker 13: Carturing him stopping.
• 32:00
  Speaker 18: I know you're not, but it looks like you are.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: I'm only gonna say it one more time, and.
• 32:09
  Speaker 16: Then you're gonna lose the privilege to eat dinner.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I hear the laughter. I don't know what's going on,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: but I also hear you're gonna lose the privilege of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: eating dinner. I hear Ruby Frankie saying that what makes
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: her any different from all the other abusive parents? Hair
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and makeup two hours of hair and makeup before she
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: gets in front of the camera. To Jason Jensen joining
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: US high profile private investigator out of Utah located in
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. Jason Jensen how are we going to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: go about proving this case.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: Well, I think you hit most of it on the head,
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: and basically we have to show that there's a pattern,
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: a history between the actor, the abuser and her victim children.
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: And we have that pretty well established from some of
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: the outtakes of the YouTube channel, things that have been
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: brought up by fellow viewers and that we've discussed here
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: during the program. There's a history of this type of
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: neglect and abuse against these two particular children that have
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: been slowly brewing over time, where it was perhaps determined
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: to be minor, not enough to remove the children from
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: the home before, but now we're so severe that they're
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: being bound in duct tape like you know abductees, and
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: they're not even allowed to you know, venture forth from
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: the house and every time that they get in trouble
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: food is taken away as a punishment.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Well, also we're learning that one Abruby Frankie's other daughters
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: says her mother was reported to police years for abuse
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and nothing was done. And sisters of Frankie three sisters
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: have also released statements admitting that they quote kept quiet
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: on the subject. What in the hay is that doctor
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Dana Anderson that the family knows, but they choose to
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: remain quiet and let the children continue to starve and
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: be tied up and bound.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I can't say the extent of what the family knew,
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: but they certainly had some information. And I think it's
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: interesting that they've quickly made statements to the public stating
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: what side they're on. And I wonder if what the
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: phone longue would show of them attempting to reach out
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: or call CPS or the police.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Because they've issued a statement and I'm quoting them, we
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: quote kept quiet on the subject. Now the daughter, Sherry
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: has something to say. Take a listen to our cut
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: twenty box thirteen.
• 35:12
  Speaker 10: Frank's oldest daughter, Sherry Frank, who is twenty years old,
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: posted to her public Instagram today a photo of police
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: with the caption Finally, she added another story, saying, me
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: and my family are so glad justice is being served.
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: We've been trying to tell the police and CPS for
• 35:27
  Speaker 10: years about this and so glad they finally decided to
• 35:30
  Speaker 10: step up. Kids are safe, but there's a long road ahead.
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: Please keep them in your prayers and also respect their privacy.
• 35:36
  Speaker 10: As of now, four children have been taken into custody
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: of Child and Family Services.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: The sisters who are also YouTubers stay this is their quote.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: For the last three years, we have.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Kept quiet on the subject of our sister Ruby Frankie
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: for the sake of her children, behind the public saying
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: we've done everything we could to try and make sure
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the kids were safe.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Really because they weren't the three.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Sisters, they were starving, they were being bound by ropes
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and duct tape, and what if anything did you do
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: about it? Sounds like nothing, Because I have a very
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: strong suspicion that if they had called Defects Department, Family
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Children's Services, CPS, chop Tape of Services and some jurisdictions,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that there would have been a response. Would you agree,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Donna Kelly.
• 36:27
  Speaker 9: Oh, absolutely absolutely. In this case, I am very encouraged
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: by a couple of things, and those are that a
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: lot of the evidence is going to be admissible without
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: the children even having to testify about some of these things.
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: Because when this little boy ran to the neighbor for help,
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: you know, they have observations. And also anything that he
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: told them will be admissible. Anything that he told and
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: the little girl told to the medical personnel will be admissible.
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: Trial.
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: So at the very least, this case has a very
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: strong cooperation going forward and I'm very encouraged by that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Guys, there's another person arrested. Take a listen nowur cut
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: eighteen Fox thirteen.
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: Eight passengers was taken down earlier this year, and that's
• 37:18
  Speaker 10: when Frankie partnered with Jody Hildebrandt, a licensed therapist, in
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: a channel called Connections where they gave parenting and life advice.
• 37:25
  Speaker 10: Here they are pictured in Hildebrandt's home, the same place
• 37:28
  Speaker 10: Frankie's son escaped from and where her daughter was found
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: being held captive in the basement.
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: It's heartbreaking, and I think it's heartbreaking for the community
• 37:39
  Speaker 11: that watched this family.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Knew that something was wrong.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: So people watched the family and knew something was wrong
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and did nothing. Now I want you to hear more
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: of what the sisters said. We went and feel right
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: about moving forward with regular content without addressing the most
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: recent advanced their sister getting arrest and her friend Jody Hildebrandt.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: But they say once we do, we will not be
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: commenting on it further. Ruby was arrested, which needed to happen.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Jody was arrested, which needed to happen. The kids are
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: now safe, which is number one priority? Really, the number
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: one priority? You say, you've remained silent for three years?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Why did you stand by and let this happen to
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: these children? To have a daughter revealed she had to
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: clean blood off the wall after the children were abused,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: that daughter likely abused herself. And now the father stating
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: on air he still loves Ruby Frankie. What mixed message
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: does that send the children Ruby Frankie wrought in hell.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Woman Nancy gray sonning off, goodbye friend Boo