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Immeasurably More | a conversation with Wendy Pope · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: Hi friends, welcome to the Simply Wholehearted podcast.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: And if you are new here, I'm so glad you joined us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here at Simply Wholehearted, we are sharing our journey as we discover how to better love the Lord with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength.
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  SPEAKER_01: And even though you might be surrounded by a world of half-heartedness, we hope to inspire you to living wholeheartedly as our friends share their stories and simple ideas of how they practice reach over perfection in their everyday.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Now, before we get started with today's guests, I wanted to go back to our highlights and share a current opportunity to support a really worthwhile cause.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Almost a year ago, I shared a conversation with longtime family friends, the Yerkes, and their amazing work to raise awareness and funds for the Down Syndrome Association of Minnesota.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: In episode 20, they shared their story and the amazing ways the community has supported them as they raise their son Winston.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's time for walking with Winston again this year, and if you were moved by their story and want to help them reach their goal of raising$15,000, I'll put a link in the show notes so you can support this year's walk.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: If you haven't yet listened to their story, after our conversation here with Wendy Pope, you might want to go download that next.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: Again, it was episode 20.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: Today's conversation with Wendy is full of energy and that girl can preach.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Wendy has been a Proverbs 31 speaker and teacher for many years, and only just last year released her first book, Wait and See.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: Since most of us are waiting for something, you might want to pick up that book too when you get her newest release, Yes, No, and Maybe.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: She's known best for guiding women through the word, and this new book is no exception.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: And also, her newest book, Yes, No, and Maybe can make a great book study if you would love to do that with another group of women.
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  SPEAKER_01: Has lots of questions and information available to discuss.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just like Wendy.
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  SPEAKER_01: She is a wonderful, beautiful soul, and I think you'll like her too.
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  SPEAKER_01: So here's our conversation.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: Look at your backdrop.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: My goodness, where are you at?
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: I have a little studio in my house.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and this is because I do uh an online Bible study class, read through the word that I've been doing for 10 years.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I record videos every single day.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, therefore every single day.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be in the studio, like yesterday I was in the studio and I did four videos.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh, anyways, this is the backdrop for my studio, and I do all my interviews up here, and I have a little office space over here.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: So this is my little my little world, my little cubicle.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is, but it's so pretty.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's so fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wish I was recording it.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: I guess we appreciate that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: So are you are you friends with Tracy Miles and Real Life?
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: Is that okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think you mentioned her in the book.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I talked, I spoke to her last week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was so good.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then also, I was just gonna share these fun connections.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: You and I have the same literary agent, Blythe Daniel.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, yeah, what is that?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I have your art copy and it has her name that you were gonna write a little dedication.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I texted her the other day.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Blythe, look who I'm gonna talk to.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I adore her.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Is she just not?
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I honestly was just crying about an email I just got from her because I was like, she's amazing.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's and and what I love about her is that it's not just professional, yeah.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: She's very personally involved with her agents, and she um she prays for us.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she lets us know she's praying for us.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: It is it really is.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've had uh Micah Campbell is also on our ministry team at Proverbs.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I was talking to her and Sharon Glasgow about um doing a book with Light, you know, and I said, I just can't say enough of good things, enough good things about her.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: I said, just she's amazing.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: She goes beyond just here, let me take your proposal and let me go show it to somebody.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, she's personally invested in in her a her clients, and that's what I love about her.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she is in tune with the spirit for sure, and uh, she just wants to be able to do it.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: I love it by that.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have a break out with her now?
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's in the work still, and um we're kind of on the the third uh rewrite.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: As you you probably have some understanding to that.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but as all of these processes, I go back and I'm so grateful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I know what will eventually come out is gonna be the right thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I had to and still have to go through this process, so it's exactly what the Lord has to say for whoever is supposed to read it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So exactly lots of experience in that for sure.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: You do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, I was gonna ask you to share a little bit about that because I um at one point in time was a compel member, so I know some of just of your sharing and all of that.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, um, which compel is fantastic.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just a you know, a great um it just is really blessed me in my past experience and all that.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: So a little bit, you wrote about it in Wait and See, right?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: I have the title.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I just love hearing people's stories, I think it's so encouraging as all of us are waiting for something in our lives, and I think you can speak to that really well.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I um yeah, the journey, I didn't set out to be a writer.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't my dogs with me.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't set out to be a writer, yeah.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: I I I didn't set out to be a speaker.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: I was going to be my dream was to be a teacher and to be a mom and to be uh a wife and a mom in that order.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, important.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um it was just you know, at the age of 30, everything was fulfilled, you know.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: I had my children, well, I was waiting for the third part of my child, but I was my first child, and as you have read, probably with Wait and See, it took us a while to get pregnant with her, but so early 30s, everything was done.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Everything that I had dreamed of was was done.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: And and I love being a mom, I love being a wife, all of those things.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I'm definitely not telling anybody to lay down your take off your wife and your mom had to go do something else because sometimes that's the calling that you have, and that's where God wants you to focus all of your energies.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: But for me, God had another calling in my life, and that was ministry, and I had no idea what I was doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I still really don't even know what I'm doing.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's what I love because God just every single day, it's just me and Him, and tell me what to do, tell me where to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: He surrounded me with great people um to help me along the way.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: But Lisa Turkhurst came to speak at our church.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, at the time I was going to a church in Matthews, right down the road from the proverb's office.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I was in charge of the women's ministry team at the time, and we asked her to come and speak.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: And she heard me.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I was kind of the MC for the weekend, and so she heard me and saw me on stage, and she just said, I just feel like there's something there.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever considered speaking?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I had already had a dream of myself speaking to women or a vision.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: It was not a dream, it was like a day vision.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so she just spoke confirmation and prophecy into my life that she had no idea what she was speaking.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I just little by little started entering into this world of ministry.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: And um God has just blessed me, He really has.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: And He has uh answered my husband's prayer has always been to not let my my ministry outgrow my family.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he has really started, he started praying that early on, and that's the way it grew slow.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I blame him.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: I tell him all the time, like you're the reason I wait so long, that dumb prayer you're praying.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um but that's so important as I as you share with young moms, and I'm still I still have three kids at home.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think that is huge in order to do ministry really well, is to not have it outpace what we're able to give to our most important ministry.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can't be effective anywhere, and when you are a mom, and I believe even when we're you're a wife and you don't have children yet, or maybe you don't plan to have children, your ministry is your home, it's your husband's your home.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: And we've uh society has kind of told us that that's really not enough.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um and if that's what God's called you to do in that ministry of hospitality, even outside your home and your community, then chase that.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but my first ministry was my husband, and always will be my husband and my children.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and um little by little he grew my family and my ministry, and um it's perfect timing, is every everything's perfect timing, and I've learned to be content with where I am.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, one of the lessons that I learned early on in writing Wait and See is learning to celebrate the successes of others.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: And when I see her my dream, I've learned to be okay with that.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's another thing that happens with women.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: I I can't speak from men because I'm not one, but um speaking from being a woman, seeing someone else live your dream is very hard, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um internally but also externally.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh it took me a while to get that.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: And once I got that, and I realized because just because she has that, it doesn't mean that I have less than.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so I had to get my head around that, and that's and I started really having peace and where God had me and um where I was in my stage and my growing my family and and all of that.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it's definitely yeah, it's definitely my husband's prayer has been answered.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um I no longer I no longer blame him.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do pick on him, but I do uh he's responsible and I I so appreciate it as his covering and his blessing over me.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I didn't even realize yeah the security that that was giving me.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I had no idea.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's a beautiful way of support because I was gonna kind of my thinking is like, how did you ask your family, your husband, to support you as you pursued some of your dreams?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because it does require support guys.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: I never recommend um not having family support.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um uh and I share in yes, no, and maybe at the end of the book the idea of being free.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um and the word maybe welcomes freedom.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: And we're free to to radically live for Christ, we're free to generously give, we're free to um to walk out our calling and to be able to consider ministry opportunities.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I say in the book that ministry is not gonna complicate your life, it will complement your life.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so good.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I learned early on.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, is that if something, if God is calling me to it, yes, it might make things a little packed, it might make things um make me switch out how I do things, but it's not gonna overwhelm me.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're in a place where you are barely treading water, I would uh I would suggest to consider, reconsider all that you have taken on.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um but with my husband, go ahead.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I just think sometimes we're we work so hard squeezing our family into like that pole and make you know, try to make it work when I think it really should be the opposite of like, where can I squeeze in ministry to exactly that's exactly what it is because the days are long but the years are short for sure with your kids.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: And my daughter's just had her last first day of school, she's a senior in college.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: My son graduated high school in in May, and he is off riding a bulldozer.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's what he's wanted to do his whole life.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome, and that's what he's doing, and um I would not trade family movie nights, basketball games, plays, um, all of those things that we did, and I said no to speaking engagements because of those things.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't trade that because now I have the time to go and to to give more into ministry.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um but when I called into ministry, I did not tell my husband right away.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: I had a few friends uh because I didn't understand what it meant.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the sacrifice and the commitment, I didn't understand any of that.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was not a lot of there were not a lot of people around me at the time that were in ministry for me to go to, but I had a couple of really strong women um in my life that were um mentoring me and taught me how to live and balance responsibilities, family, and everything.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I had them pray for me and I didn't tell them what about.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: I just said, pray for me.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I finally got that burning in my heart where I had to tell my husband, and I love this story.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: He um I remember sitting down beside him, he was in a recliner, and our and I sat kind of down beside him on the floor.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: That one of the kids was around me, and I just said, I just need to talk to you about something.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Okay.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I think that God is calling me.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right, she went on downstairs.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: She has to scare him from upstairs and then scare him from downstairs.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: But I said to him, I said to my husband, I said, I think God's calling me in the ministry.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, Well, what does that mean?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I don't really know.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Well, I told him about my vision and I said, he said, Well, do you um which one was first?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, do you have to go to seminary?
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Well, I don't I don't know.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Well, who's gonna keep the children?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Well, I don't know that either.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's fine inside I was like, You're there bad, but anyways.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um third was the question most men want to know is does it pay you?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, right.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: First I said I didn't know, and now 15 years later, we know it doesn't.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, for sure.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna cash in when we get to heaven.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I was telling him.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm building our heavenly bank, is what I was telling you.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Totally, yeah.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um so um he jumped on and I did, I was nervous about it, and I was like, Well, how is he gonna?
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: I would leave these long lists of things that he needed to do on the occasions that I would travel and I would come home and they wouldn't be done, and I would get mad, and and finally the Lord was like, Really, yeah, really different is not wrong.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I learned that different is not wrong, and that if he wants to feed them chicken nuggets and fries, let him.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if he wants to let him go to bed without taking a bath, let him, yeah, uh, and so we've just kind of fumbled our way through a bit.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: My kids have allowed me to share their stories and my books um and in my Bible teachings.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: They they willingly mom, whatever you need to do.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, um, and they're very supportive of it.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: And it's especially with my youngest one because he well, they were both young at the time, but Griffin was not even born when I started in the ministry and or was a baby, and that's all he's ever known.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: And really, it's probably all but Blair's ever known as well, my daughter.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, so that's all they've ever known.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: And uh there are times when I look back and I think, uh, should I have done that?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Should I have gone?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: Should I what?
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because my son had some learning challenges and um he required a lot of extra effort and um some work.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, extra effort, and sometimes I do sit back and I think, you know, maybe I shouldn't have done such and such and paid more attention to Griffin and more attention to his needs.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: And and you know, I have friends who speak truth into me and say, you know, you couldn't have done any more.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you did, and they point out all that.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: So there's I have a great support system who reminds me of truth and I can't remember it, and I love that.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: We we're women, we need somebody, we need those in our lives to speak that truth.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Cheerleaders sometimes it's hard to see that of ourselves, right?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Our cheerleaders exactly holding up our arms and helping us focus on the right thing.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I love it.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I know wait and see kind of the story behind that because there was a long time of waiting before a book really, you know, was your season um or writing and authorship.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: So, what was the story that kind of birthed your passion behind writing Yes, No, and Maybe?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was really a place of desperation, honestly.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I grew up at with Ward and June Cleaver.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: For those of people who don't know it, it's an old show called Leave It the Beaver and Black and White.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Pearls and my mom and dad were always at church.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: I was always at church.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: I was saved at a young age.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't wait to sing in the choir.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: You had to be 18 to sing in the adult choir.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was in the youth choir and the children's choir.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Couldn't wait to get my robe.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: I could not wait to put my tithe in the plate.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I could not wait to serve and to be in the church.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I've always been in the church, I've always had my Bible with me.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um as I grew.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: I always wanted to have a journal or be fill in my Bible study blanks and and all of those things.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: And and as I said earlier, my dreams were very simple to be a teacher, a wife, and a mom.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: And at the age of 30, I still had not had my first child.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: We had Blair a little after that, and then we had Griffin, and it was like, okay, is this as good as it gets?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I kind of feel a little bad about saying that because I don't want any of your listeners to think, well, gosh, I would love to have that life.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I should have loved it more um and appreciated it more, but I was at that place where, and I think God did this to me.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: He put me in a place where I recognized that something was missing.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even the greatest things in my life that I dreamed of had come true or had come to fruition, I should say.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I was in church and I was doing the right things that most of us Christians do.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I was sitting in church every Sunday waiting for my pastor to fill me up to last till the next Sunday.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: But something was missing and I didn't know what it was.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I just began asking God, you know, what what is this?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: What is this?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: What is this?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my home was not a very happy place.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I had a really bad temper.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: I yelled a lot at my daughter, the one that I waited on for so long.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I shared a little bit about that in wait and see that I had a really kind of nasty nickname that I called her.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I've never repeated it.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I've repeated it one time to a friend that asked me point blank, and I felt really bad because I told Blair I would never repeat it, and I ended up telling my one friend, and and I I I went and told her I was sorry.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: She was like, Well, mom, you it's okay.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, No, I told you that I would never ever repeat it.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to ask her to forgive me for that.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: I had, I mean, there were holes in the wall at my house because I kicked holes in my wall um because I was mad at my kids.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my husband did not come home a lot, he was working all the time, and so there was just turmoil.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: But if you look from the outside, our house looked very perfect.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you had ideally you had the white pick, you know, white picket fence light.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: We did all the right things, and I was doing all the right things, but there was something missing, and the Lord, I believe in his sovereignty, brought me to that place where, see, this is all you wanted, and it's still not enough.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, isn't that like God to show us all the things we placed as idols?
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, don't satisfy.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna get there, you're gonna get to that goal, you're gonna reach that monumental step, and then you're gonna be like, Oh, wait a minute, is that all?
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Is this as good as it gets?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: So one evening my husband came home from work, and um I had all in my mind how what I was gonna say to him.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: I planned out my speech, and I had thought of the zingers that I was gonna throw his way, and um I was just gonna let him have it, just in a very Calming way.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't gonna yell.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna sit down and have one of those what I call come to Jesus talks.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I wasn't expecting his response.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: My zinger was you don't act like you ever want to come home.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought that was gonna get him.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I had worked and crafted that sentence all day long, and I thought that was the best way to get him.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um he came back with one that knocked me off my feet, and that was you don't make our home a place I want to come home to.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I could have responded in a couple ways.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: I could have really gotten mad and blown up at him, or I could have said, Wow, and this is what I chose to do, and this is only by God, by choosing, wow, let me see if there's any truth to that.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because up to this point I had been spending some time in God's word, not like I do now, but God had prepared my heart to hear those words.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because through my time spending with him and in uh early morning quiet times, he had prepared my heart to hear that.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so out of desperation, I was like, Lord, how am I supposed to fix this?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: Or how can you fix him and then it'll fix me, right?
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we think.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: So this message of this book actually was birthed out of that.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: When I went to the very first She Speaks conference, and by the way, all of that turmoil was going on while God was calling me into ministry.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty funny.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right, uh hilarious.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so, right, and so when I went to my first She Speaks conference, and that's a writers and speakers conference with Proverbs 31 Ministries, they said now go home and write some messages that you could teach.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I have to tell you, I laughed.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I don't even know where all the books of the Bible are.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: Much like how do I open the book and start teaching from it when I know absolutely nothing about it?
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, you've come a long way.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: I have God.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: But what's so funny is this message is one of the very first messages that I wrote when I started ministry.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, okay, this is just a message.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go teach it, I'm gonna encourage women.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes to no, yes to God, no to self, maybe to others.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: This is how you balance your life out.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: This is what I call it, yes, no, and maybe secret to the bounce line.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I taught it everywhere, and I thought that's what it was gonna be.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was just a message that I taught, but the more I taught it, the more I was challenged to really live it.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, and I learned the value of these principles and what they mean and how they shape my life.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: So this is really um, this is the way I live my life.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: I I what you read in this book is how I live my life.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: It is yes to God, it is no to myself, and it is maybe to other people.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: And when we say yes to God, a trust relationship cultivates with God.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we learn to trust him, but here's the thing is he learns to trust us with what he wants to reveal to us, which is that whole next phase of learning to say no to ourselves reveals what we need to know about ourselves, but also how we can reshape or allow through the Holy Spirit's power to reshape who we are supposed to be.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we shape that.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the that's the yeah, that's the phase that people don't want.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we want the feeling good part from God, we want the positive from God.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, I want to obey you and I want to feel good about it, and I want to please you, but we get to this place where that's not enough.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: The idea is for us to be holy as He is holy, it is to be to get back to be in the image that we were created to be before sin and shame came into our lives, and we were created in the image of God, and so we have to be able to take the polishing from God as well as the positive.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so that was for me, that's the hardest part in the in the three principles is the no to self because I'm a pretty selfish person down at heart.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, my friends will say, No, you're not, no, you're not.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, Oh, you don't know how bad I'm fighting this to go do this.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to do this for this person because they hurt me or they disappointed me or I don't really know them and I don't feel comfortable in that situation, but God's telling me to do it.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm having this internal struggle and conversation with God all the time.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: So um I tell my friends, oh yes, I am.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm a serious mess.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: But God reveals who I need who he wants me to be, but he also equips me right to become who he wants me to be with the power of the Holy Spirit.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: What I have to do is submit to the work he wants to do.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that takes time, it does, and it's not fun.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not fun for God to say, it's not fun for God to say, yeah, you need to clean up your mouth.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: And here's a verse, Psalm 141.3, said a guard over my mouth, oh Lord.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a verse to go with that problem that you have.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, that's not fun to hear, but when I started leaning into that verse and allowing myself just to zip it, allowing the Holy Spirit to zip it, one of the fruit of the spirits is self-control.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: We have within the power within us to have self-control, it works.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it it the book, the Bible actually works, people.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so learning that, then those two principles, when you get through those, oh my goodness, you are at maybe freedom, and you live a life that you never thought you could live, but you always wanted it down inside.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's what God has tucked in your heart all along, and it's there for us.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: We just have to go through some stuff to get there and be willing to let his spirit work in us.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: In all your years of you know, women's ministry, it's really like the women's small group leader um type of thing.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: So we're always talking about taking women to their next step.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so it sounds like, and how how you would describe it is that we say yes as a first step, and then no is the second step.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: How do we encourage people to go to that next step of saying no?
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because that is that is a level of sanctification and and holiness process.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that obviously it takes the work of the Holy Spirit and the Lord, but as we encourage others and lead others to that, do you have any like great revelation for that?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: That is, you know, I wish I did.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I wish I could say, here's the formula.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but for me, the best way that I can demonstrate this is what you should do is by how I live my life.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: And let people see the joy of Jesus in me when things are really crappy in my life.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: So you might have to edit that word out.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's fine.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's totally fine.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, you're good.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, you're not things are really bad in my life, and people can see that there's joy when I'm having, you know, a struggle with a situation and I'm in the middle of it, and I can go, wait a minute, now, you know, the Lord says this about this problem.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's for me, it's living this message out loud, and that's where the freedom comes in.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: You get to that place where I'm just gonna say it.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're gonna get upset about that, well, okay, sorry.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's you know, my dad says this.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: My daddy says this is how it works out, right?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: And we get to that place of freedom.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: But the best way to encourage someone to that next level is to live it out loud and almost, and this I I hesitate to even use this word, but to almost give them a holy jealousy if there's is such a thing, maybe that's your that is yeah, um, but but I remember coming up through these this time where I was living out these principles, and I would see women and I would go, wow, how is she doing that?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: How, you know, she look at her.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: Her husband has just been ridiculed in front of the church for whatever, you know, we had a situation in our church, uh another church that I go went to for a while, and I I watched this woman stand by her husband.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, wow, how is she doing that?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I saw people and I was like, that's what I want.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: I want to be able to live Christ like that in the midst of an awful situation.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, where people see Jesus and what we do, not just what we say.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I think also another way is to, and it sounds like you know, you're already doing this, and and women's ministry leaders do this, is to do the best that you can to personally invest in someone's life.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: It may not be your season because you have three young children, but perhaps there are other people around you that would be willing to mentor some, you know, have a mentoring program one-on-one.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, one of the things that I have found difficult when I I did try to start a mentoring relationship uh uh program at our church, one of the churches that we attended or were members of, and some of the older ladies who now I'm one of those older ladies, whatever.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: But you have some experience to pass along.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, but I remember them saying, I would go to them and I would remember them saying, Well, I don't really have anything to offer.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: I get the same problem.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: I get the same problem as I do.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: You do you don't have to be an expert in the word of God to offer some encouragement to a young mom who's trying to figure it all out.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that would be another way if you could really get a you know, us people that are willing to sign up to be, you know, mentor and men see and have that go.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: But the best way is to, I still think is to live it out loud in front of them and they come to you and they say, You mean how do I do this?
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this is how it works for me.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't miss a day if I can help it without spending time in God's word.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: And when God tells me to do something, I do it.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and even if it's painful, I push through that pain.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: So just continually, you know, and telling them these same truths over and again is really all we can do.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Then it's up to the person then to submit to the work of the spirit.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's exactly why people um should read your book, women in particular, because I think you've written a lot of your life stories, a lot of your lessons learned.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I know some of it you admit to like you're still walking this out, but um this is a great guidebook to go through and like, hey, if you're longing for mentorship and some leadership in your life, look for it in this form of a book and walk through the steps because you ask a lot of questions, it's really interactive.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I know I kind of wanted to um finish up where you could share about the last chapter because I think that's such a brilliant idea where you the last chapter is ours.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: So just share a little bit about that.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I did this in wait and see, and I really I kind of had to convince my publisher to do it because um it's lined paper, right?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: And lined paper costs money, it sure does.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it's not all about the dollar with David C.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Cook.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: I will say they're awesome to work with, they're a nonprofit publishing house, which is very unusual.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're very ministry minded.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: They're also they have to be in order to do ministry, you have to be really smart with the dollars that you put out, and and you are accountable for those.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to convince them to do that.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, not like twisting their arm.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: I just said, Hey, I've got this idea.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: Trust me, it's a good idea.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I was sitting downstairs.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: I I remember where I was sitting and what I was doing.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: I was working with the book, and I remember the Lord said, give them a place to respond.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: And oh what does this look like, Lord?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: How would this play out?
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: What you know, and so I just it was all God's idea.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: But in Wait and See and in this book, and because it works so well in Wait and See, we did it in this book as well.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: The the reader finishes writing the book, and they write the last chapter.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I give prompts at the end of each chapter on how they would can respond, just so you don't have a blank page and go, I don't know what to write.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I offer some writing prompt, and the reader responds to what has been taught in that chapter.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: So for me, I describe it as a participatory book.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: You're not just reading and underlining, you have the opportunity to actually write about what God is teaching you right then.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to go get a spiral notebook and hope that you keep it with your book.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's all right there, and you have um your moments with God and what he's taught you are right there, and you can go back and you can look at it later and see his faithfulness and trace what he taught you.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it's one of my favorite things, and I'm actually not even a journal girl.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm kind of one of those people that I'm scared to write in a journal because when I'm gone, I'm scared to I don't know what people are gonna read.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: What did it come back?
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I have had a lot of fun.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: I have instructed my son.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: I've instructed my son that when I passed and they're cleaning my house up, I'm cleaning my house up to go start a bond.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly the moment I was like, in my will and testament, just burn the journals.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need to know.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: You don't need to know because I'm sure I wrote that in a moment of desperation and frustration.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: Weakest moments in here.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I've learned to be a little vague and less descriptive and no name calling.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: No name calling.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um my rants have turned into prayers, and that just comes with authority and and the love of the Lord.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: I do love the feature of the book, I really do.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's brilliant.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: You've got really good feedback about it.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: So we did it with this.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: I would echo that was from the Lord, and it's just super fun.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it confirms something in my own life too.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I love it.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: Wendy, thank you.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: I am so excited to share this with all my friends and the listeners.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I really hope that maybe through Blythe, I know she has, you know, dreams of getting to get her writers together that maybe we could meet in person.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: I would be so honored.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: That would be awesome one day.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: I would love that.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for having me.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, have a wonderful day.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't she great?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: She has such an energizing way about her, and I do hope I'll get to connect with her again in the future.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: If you would like to read more about Wendy, get her books, and add her to your list of follows, I'll put some quick links in the show notes so you can do that real easily.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Her books are both available on Amazon and most every place you can purchase books.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so on to this week's Meaningful Minutes.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Today we are talking about building community in our spirit, our mind, and our body.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: With just a quick simple idea that we can do in five to ten minutes.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: This week we will focus on building our spirit by naming or asking your loved ones their top three closest friendships.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Then, after you come up with those, take a minute to thank the Lord for putting those people in your life and then reflect on the ways they have recently encouraged or supported you, whether big or small.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I trust me on this.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna be thinking a lot more than three.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: This will put a spot on your face for sure.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: As we help our loved ones and ourselves by beginning this new practice of growth in our mind, also take some of those close friends which came to your mind and take a minute or two or three and handwrite a letter to them, letting them know how much they mean to you.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, come on, when was the last time you got a handwritten letter?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: And when you did, wasn't it so awesome to get that in the mail?
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: I know this one will take a few extra minutes and require a stamp, but I am betting you that you can do this in a little under 10 minutes, and it will mean the world to whoever you send that note to.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so for practicing something to build our body, let's make something to give to a neighbor, maybe your co-worker, or a teacher this week.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe something that lets them know you were thinking of them and share an act of kindness.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now this can be food, maybe you have another craft or skill and you can make them something else or help them mow their lawn or I don't know, something like that.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, I know I can do something like make a batch of gluten-free sweeps for my kids' drama club tomorrow.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd love to know if you try any of these and what you thought of the process.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Tag us on Instagram or Facebook and jot us a note.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: We always love hearing from you.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Now we're gonna answer one of your Aneagram coaching questions.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: I've been sharing with you all about my coaching training journey throughout the last spring, and now I get to share what I've learned through answering some of your questions.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to join the conversation, we'd love to hear what you like to know about the Aneagram.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: You can submit your questions through our link in the show notes, or just reach out to Simply Wholehearted or Amy Wicks on the social.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, I'm Amy Wicks.
• 40:15
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• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: We would love seeing your shares happen.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: It means so much to us.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now, today's question is: what strengths does the Aneagram have over all those other personality type tests?
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now, especially if you're new to the Aneagram, this is a great place to begin.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: So many of my friends who are open to talking about the Aneagram are a little hesitant because they're already so familiar with all the other personality resources and tests.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: And things like Myers Brig, the disc test, that animal thing that was popular in the early 90s.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: So why on earth do we need one more thing?
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: The key is knowing the Aneagram isn't measuring the results of your actions.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Or even your actions, really.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's providing insight to understand better your why.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Why you do what you do.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: Now, why do you act a certain way when you are stressed?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why do you respond to your spouse when they do this thing or that thing, and you just can't help it?
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: Why you are the kind of person you are?
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: All the amazing things and all the inner motivations that no one else might know.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: There is even something really kind of uncanny once you gain understanding of your number, because then when you read a description or a motivation which so clearly articulates your thought process, it's a little startling.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, I think it's very liberating.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much I could keep talking about when it comes to Aneagram, but I'm excited to share every week some answers to the wonderful questions that I have already got lined up.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: So keep them coming my way.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: We'll be back next week with our guest, Megan Fate Marshman.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: We'll have more meaningful minutes and answers to your Aneagram questions.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: In the meantime, join us on the socials as we continue on our journey to living simply, wholehearted.