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A Message to All Humanity: Three Incredible Onboard UFO Encounters · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and thank you for
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  Speaker 1: joining me for a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Today,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking about my absolute favorite aspect
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  Speaker 1: of UFO research, and that is onboard UFO encounters. The
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  Speaker 1: title of today's episode is a Message for all Humanity.
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  Speaker 1: Three incredible onboard UFO Encounters. I love doing deep dives
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  Speaker 1: into cases, so that's what I'm going to be doing
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  Speaker 1: here and covering three cases, two from inside the United
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  Speaker 1: States and one from Argentina. A couple of these cases
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  Speaker 1: are pretty well known. You may have heard of them before,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm one hundred percent confident that I've found new
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  Speaker 1: details that you probably haven't heard before. I think these
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  Speaker 1: are all really important cases. These are the kinds of
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  Speaker 1: cases that really answer all the questions surrounding ET contact.
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  Speaker 1: Who these visitors are, where they come from, and why
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  Speaker 1: they are here. And I chose these three cases because
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  Speaker 1: they all have remarkable similarities. Each involve a young man
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  Speaker 1: in his twenties. Each took place on a lonely country road.
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  Speaker 1: Each involved men who were taken on board and met
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  Speaker 1: short humanoids who had important messages for them to hear.
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  Speaker 1: Each experienced missing time and their encounters were recalled under hypnosis.
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  Speaker 1: Each experienced physiological effects as a result of their encounter.
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  Speaker 1: Each suffered tremendous backlash in terms of ridicule or harassment
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  Speaker 1: following their encounters. So there's some really amazing commonalities to
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  Speaker 1: these cases that I think have a lot to say
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  Speaker 1: not only about UFO contact but how people react to it.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just get started. First case I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about today I call the onboard UFOE encounter of
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  Speaker 1: Harrison Bailey. This is an amazing account and it's probably
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  Speaker 1: the least known of the three I'm covering today, but
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  Speaker 1: it's got some really unique and interesting details to it
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  Speaker 1: as well. It was just two months after the famous
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  Speaker 1: US capital flyover by numerous UFOs in July of nineteen
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  Speaker 1: fifty two, when Harrison E. Bailey, a twenty four year
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  Speaker 1: old steel worker from Gary, Indiana, began a long walk
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  Speaker 1: along Highway seven outside of Chicago, Illinois, towards Joliette. This
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  Speaker 1: was on September twenty third, nineteen fifty two. So to
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  Speaker 1: earn more money, Harrison had taken a side job doing
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  Speaker 1: an ingenious advertising technique where he would display signs inside
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  Speaker 1: a giant sized one hundred and fifty pound five foot
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  Speaker 1: wide tractor tire which he had painted green, and he
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  Speaker 1: would roll it along roadways, attracting attention of passers by.
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  Speaker 1: So it was around six a m. On September twenty third,
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  Speaker 1: as he rolled his tire along the road advertising for
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  Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Brown's baseball team. Now he was doing
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  Speaker 1: this for free, as the Browns were his favorite team.
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  Speaker 1: To attract attention, he wore green overalls, shoes, and socks,
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  Speaker 1: carried a green backpack, and wore large goggles and gloves.
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  Speaker 1: So he had just passed Orland Park sometime earlier, and
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  Speaker 1: he was now about twenty five miles outside of Joliet, Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: in a forested area, a pretty remote area. He estimates
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  Speaker 1: it was eleven a m and he was hoping to
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  Speaker 1: reach the town of Joliet by sunset, when without warning,
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  Speaker 1: he felt a strange cramping and burning sensation on the
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  Speaker 1: back of his neck. Burning around, he saw something strange
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  Speaker 1: in the sky, a sort of top shaped gray object
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  Speaker 1: which was whirling in the sky behind him. Now, he
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  Speaker 1: had never seen anything like this, and he wondered if
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  Speaker 1: perhaps it was some kind of unusual quote whirlwind, and
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  Speaker 1: with many miles still to go to reach Joliette, he
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  Speaker 1: didn't stop and stare at this thing, but just kept walking.
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  Speaker 1: And this was when suddenly there was a strange shift
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  Speaker 1: and the next thing he knew. He found himself standing
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  Speaker 1: on a different section of road, at the edge of
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  Speaker 1: a meadow surrounded by forest, and about fifty to one
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  Speaker 1: hundred feet away from him was a very large, oval
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  Speaker 1: shaped silver gray craft sitting in the field. It reminded
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  Speaker 1: him a little bit of a water tank, but it
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  Speaker 1: was definitely not a water tank. It was oval shaped.
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  Speaker 1: It was about the size of a greyhound bus. So
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  Speaker 1: he stopped rolling his tire and stared at this thing
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  Speaker 1: as a door like opening appeared in the side of
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  Speaker 1: the object. Immediately, two strange looking men came up to
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  Speaker 1: the opening. They stood side by side and stared back
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  Speaker 1: at him. The men were wearing helmets with sort of
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  Speaker 1: tinted face shields, which reminded him of welders. He could
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  Speaker 1: see that their faces looked distorted, that their eyes were
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  Speaker 1: bigger and longer than the normal person's, so they did
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  Speaker 1: not appear to be human. It was clear to him
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  Speaker 1: that this object was some kind of aircraft, probably the
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  Speaker 1: same one he had seen earlier, as he could now
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  Speaker 1: feel the same prickling feelings, only it was now over
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  Speaker 1: his entire body, causing his body to vibrate. He also
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  Speaker 1: felt like he was paralyzed, so he wondered briefly if
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  Speaker 1: these guys might be some kind of Russian spies, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe he wondered these were the flying saucer people he
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  Speaker 1: had heard about. At this point, one of the occupants spoke,
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  Speaker 1: asking Harrison in perfect English, where are you from? Harrison replied, Gary, Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: They asked him where are you going, and he replied
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  Speaker 1: Saint Louis, Missouri. Now he wasn't even sure how he
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  Speaker 1: could hear them talking or how they heard him, but
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  Speaker 1: he did say that the two men in the craft
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  Speaker 1: looked at each other as if they were conversing, and
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  Speaker 1: he now remembered an article by journalist Walter Winchell about
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  Speaker 1: how people who saw flying saucers were often ridiculed. And now,
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  Speaker 1: finding that he was no longer paralyzed, Harrison decided to
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  Speaker 1: walk away. He did a glance back once and saw
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  Speaker 1: that the strange craft was still sitting there silently in
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  Speaker 1: the field. Once the craft was out of sight, Harrison
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  Speaker 1: found that he suddenly felt very unwell. He had painful
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  Speaker 1: cramps in his shoulders, arms, legs, and abdomen. He felt
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  Speaker 1: extremely tired, and looking around him, he was shocked to
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  Speaker 1: see that it was now late afternoon, so he estimates
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  Speaker 1: he was missing about six hours of time that he
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  Speaker 1: could not account for. He really had no choice but
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  Speaker 1: to keep walking. He reached the outside of Joliet, Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: in the late evening, and he knew it was unlikely
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  Speaker 1: that he would find a hotel. He happened upon a
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  Speaker 1: railroad station Depot investigators have now identified this as being
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  Speaker 1: in the small town of Mokena, Illinois. Harrison says a
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  Speaker 1: friendly man at the station allowed him to sleep inside,
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  Speaker 1: and as Harrison drifted off to sleep, he heard people
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  Speaker 1: talking outside about seeing a flying saucer. The next morning,
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  Speaker 1: he walked into town and he was confronted by a
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  Speaker 1: group of white people who were watching him suspiciously. Now,
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  Speaker 1: being a lone black man in the nineteen fifties, he
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  Speaker 1: became very nervous, especially when they blocked his way and
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  Speaker 1: one of the men confronted him and said, hey, you,
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  Speaker 1: did we see you come out of a flying saucer yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Harrison was, of course shocked by the accusation, especially considering
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  Speaker 1: his encounter of the day before, and he told them, no, sir,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not from any flying saucer. He actually showed them
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  Speaker 1: his identification and some newspaper clippings about his advertising will.
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  Speaker 1: They demanded he take off his shoes, and he obliged.
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  Speaker 1: The men then examined his feet, and finally one of
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  Speaker 1: the men shouted out, Hey, this fella ain't out of
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  Speaker 1: a flying saucer. He's black. At this point, the men
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  Speaker 1: apologized to Harrison and the crowd dispersed, but Harrison was shaken.
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  Speaker 1: He did his best to forget the incident. He did
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  Speaker 1: later outfit his will with lights, which caused some people
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  Speaker 1: to jokingly report it as a flying saucer, but fearing
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  Speaker 1: ridicule and the loss of his job at the steel mill,
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  Speaker 1: Harrison told nobody about his UFO encounter. Over the next
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  Speaker 1: few months, he continued to feel fatigue and stomach pains,
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  Speaker 1: and not long after the incident, in nineteen fifty two,
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  Speaker 1: he was drafted and served two years in the Army.
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  Speaker 1: He then went back to work at the steel mill
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  Speaker 1: in Gary, Indiana. He slowly curtailed his advertising job, as
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  Speaker 1: he no longer had the energy to push that wheel
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  Speaker 1: and walk long distances. But he did go to doctors
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  Speaker 1: for help, and they could find nothing wrong. Finally, in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, Harrison was admitted to the Hinz Veterans
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  Speaker 1: Administration Hospital per gallbladder surgery, and this is when something
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  Speaker 1: very strange happened. Afterwards, the surgeon approached him and asked, Harrison,
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  Speaker 1: what's the matter with you? What's going on inside your
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  Speaker 1: body now? Harrison replied, I don't know, what do you mean.
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  Speaker 1: The doctor then became angry and said, don't lie to me.
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  Speaker 1: We've been all through your records. You've been somewhere or
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  Speaker 1: something has gone through your body. You're not telling us
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  Speaker 1: about what is it. So Harrison began to suspect that
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  Speaker 1: this had something to do with his encounter, but he
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  Speaker 1: played dumb and just said, I don't know. Finally, they
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  Speaker 1: told him and his wife that he was in quote
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  Speaker 1: very very bad shape. Apparently his internal organs were that
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  Speaker 1: of an old man. At this time, he was only
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  Speaker 1: thirty five years old, and as Harrison says, during my
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  Speaker 1: stay in the hospital in nineteen sixty three, my mind
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  Speaker 1: often went back back to the object I'd seen out
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  Speaker 1: in the woods, and when the people thought that they
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  Speaker 1: had seen me coming out of a flying saucer ship?
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  Speaker 1: Could this have been a real UFO? Could I have
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  Speaker 1: gotten too close to it? Could my illness be a
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  Speaker 1: flying saucer disease? So his symptoms continued following this for
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  Speaker 1: many years, he would experience strange Caesar like trance states,
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  Speaker 1: or sometimes the ets would apparently appear and speak to him.
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  Speaker 1: Now e kgs on his brain by doctors failed to
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  Speaker 1: reveal any abnormalities, but he also began having dreams of
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  Speaker 1: talking to these two entities, who would tell him that
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  Speaker 1: it was his job to inform the people and governments
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  Speaker 1: about UFOs. That they the ets were friendly and wanted
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  Speaker 1: to make contact without being hindered, and these dreams will
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  Speaker 1: continue for decades. Harrison remained somewhat ill, and in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixty six he finally retired from the steel mills and
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  Speaker 1: got a disability pension, And this is when he began
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  Speaker 1: to seek answers, even going so far as to publish
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  Speaker 1: ads in newspapers inquiring about quote flying saucer disease in
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  Speaker 1: the hopes that he could find someone else who had
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  Speaker 1: experienced the same things he was experiencing. This eventually caught
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  Speaker 1: the attention of UFO researcher Anne Druffel. She contacted him
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  Speaker 1: and began an investigation. In June of nineteen seventy seven,
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  Speaker 1: Harrison Bailey agreed to undergo hypnosis with doctor Bill McCall.
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  Speaker 1: He's an experienced hypnotist who had hypnotized other experiencers, and
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  Speaker 1: under hypnosis, Harrison did recall the whole encounter. He remembered
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  Speaker 1: seeing the UFO suddenly there was a shift, and now
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  Speaker 1: he's walking along and he sees this strange creature lying
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  Speaker 1: flat on a log. He said it had large eyes
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  Speaker 1: that seemed to curl around the sides of its head,
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  Speaker 1: and the next thing he knew, it was walking towards him,
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  Speaker 1: and suddenly there were more of them. He said that
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  Speaker 1: they were all very short, about one and a half
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  Speaker 1: feet tall, and he estimates that there were probably a
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  Speaker 1: dozen of them. He said that they were very frog like,
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  Speaker 1: with smooth, brown striped skin, little paw like hands, and
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  Speaker 1: three toed feet. They had slit like mouths and large eyes.
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  Speaker 1: They definitely weren't frogs. They were one and a half
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  Speaker 1: feet tall, and humanoid. He said that there were also
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  Speaker 1: other very small, weird insect like creatures skittering around. So
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  Speaker 1: afraid he began running away from them, doing the best
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  Speaker 1: he could with his big tractor tire, but he became
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  Speaker 1: tired and disoriented, and the next thing he knew, he
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  Speaker 1: came upon that strange craft, which again he said, was
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  Speaker 1: as big as a greyhound bus. This is all under hypnosis,
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  Speaker 1: and hypnotists started to ask Harrison if he might have
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  Speaker 1: been inside this craft, if they might have taken him
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  Speaker 1: on board, but Harrison's memory block was very strong and
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  Speaker 1: under hypnosis, he said, if they did, you wouldn't talk
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  Speaker 1: about a thing like that. People have very peculiar ideas
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  Speaker 1: about people that see something like that. I can't recall
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  Speaker 1: going on board. I don't want to be nowhere around.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to know too much. But the hypnotists persisted,
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  Speaker 1: and finally Harrison did recall waking up inside the craft,
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  Speaker 1: lying on a low level bed or table, which he
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  Speaker 1: said felt strangely soft. He said, a bright but diffused,
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  Speaker 1: warm light shone on his face. He could see vague
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  Speaker 1: machine like shapes around him, and then he saw those
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  Speaker 1: same beings who had been looking at him from the
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  Speaker 1: doorway of the craft. He said that they were about
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  Speaker 1: five feet tall but had bizarre, flattened features. Each wore
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  Speaker 1: a single piece jumpsuit without zippers or openings, and they
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  Speaker 1: had helmets with face shields. He avoided looking at them
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  Speaker 1: too closely, as their appearance frightened him, so he closed
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  Speaker 1: his eyes. At this point, he could feel them turning
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  Speaker 1: his head from side to side as if they were
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  Speaker 1: examining his face, his nose, his ears, But weirdly, he
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  Speaker 1: couldn't feel anybody actually touching him, so he just prayed
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  Speaker 1: that this would all be over soon, that they would
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  Speaker 1: just let him go home. At some point, he passed out.
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  Speaker 1: When he woke up again, the ets started speaking to
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  Speaker 1: him telepathically, and they had an important message for him.
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  Speaker 1: They said that they wanted him to tell the American
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  Speaker 1: people that UFOs were real, that they the ets, meant
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  Speaker 1: no harm, and that they desired to land and communicate
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  Speaker 1: with humanity. So Harrison told them, why me, Why not
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  Speaker 1: talk to scientists or somebody who knows more than I
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  Speaker 1: do about things like this. The ET's answer was surprising,
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  Speaker 1: as Harrison says, they say they're in the same shape
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  Speaker 1: I am somebody always looking at them like people look
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  Speaker 1: at me when I roll the tire. Now it appears
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  Speaker 1: that they want people to stop staring at them and
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  Speaker 1: to be more friendly. I think they're good people with
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  Speaker 1: a problem. I let them talk. They would like me
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  Speaker 1: to be a spokesman for them. They're in the same
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  Speaker 1: fix I am. I think they refer to my being black,
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  Speaker 1: to being not wanted in this society. So Harrison's next
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  Speaker 1: memory is being let go from the craft. He recalled
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  Speaker 1: walking down a ramp rolling his tire, which he said
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  Speaker 1: now felt strangely light, as if it had lost most
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  Speaker 1: of its weight. As he got back on the road,
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  Speaker 1: the onboard segment of his encounter immediately slipped from his mind.
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  Speaker 1: The whole hypnosis session revealed that Harrison may have had
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  Speaker 1: another segment of missing time as he was approaching the
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  Speaker 1: town of Joliet, which might explain why the citizens there
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  Speaker 1: apparently saw him coming out of the flying saucer. The
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  Speaker 1: hypnosis session unfortunately did not reveal any details about this. Now,
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  Speaker 1: although he can't prove it, Harrison believes his illness maybe
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  Speaker 1: the result of being exposed to the energies from the UFO. However,
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  Speaker 1: he also believes the ETS were friendly and certainly did
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  Speaker 1: not intentionally cause him harm. He did obey the ETS
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  Speaker 1: directive and did everything he could to alert the public
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  Speaker 1: and the government that UFOs were real and wanted to
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  Speaker 1: make contact, and although ridicule was heaped upon him, he
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  Speaker 1: continued to contact newspapers and write letters to government officials,
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  Speaker 1: most of which were ignored. Occasionally he did get articles
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  Speaker 1: in the newspapers. He did get a few indifferent responses
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  Speaker 1: from various officials, and he even managed to get on
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  Speaker 1: a television talk show, but unable to convince the government
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  Speaker 1: of the reality of UFOs, he finally just became a
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  Speaker 1: minister in Pasadena, California. All this time, he continued to
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  Speaker 1: dream about the ETS, who would again implore him to
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  Speaker 1: spread the message they had given him. He wasn't really
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  Speaker 1: sure if these were dreams or perhaps real contact. He
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  Speaker 1: was having all kinds of problems with sleepwalking, and this
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  Speaker 1: all came to a head on November first, nineteen seventy eight.
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  Speaker 1: Harrison says that he was awakened in his passaging a
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  Speaker 1: home and saw what appeared to be two disembodied dark
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  Speaker 1: heads with distorted features looking at him, and as they
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  Speaker 1: always did. They repeated the message that he needed to
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  Speaker 1: inform humanity about their presence.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: At this time, he was having severe financial problems, and
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  Speaker 1: he told them, I've got troubles of my own, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think i'm the right person for this job.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you go ask somebody with some influence to
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  Speaker 1: help you? And their reply was your financial problems will
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  Speaker 1: be settled soon. Now. Before all this, researcher Anne Druffel,
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  Speaker 1: had urged him to buy a polaroid camera so that
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  Speaker 1: if the ets came, he should try to take their
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  Speaker 1: picture and this would prove whether or not these were
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  Speaker 1: just dreams or if they were real. So when they appeared,
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  Speaker 1: he asked to take their picture and actually agreed and
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  Speaker 1: told him to wait while they quote de energized. And
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  Speaker 1: he then captured several photos which you can see here.
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  Speaker 1: They show shadowy figures in his room. These photos were
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  Speaker 1: subjected to extensive analysis. There was no evidence of trickery,
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  Speaker 1: yet the photos were too dark and blurry other than
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  Speaker 1: to see vague humanoid forms, and they became quite controversial.
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  Speaker 1: But and Ruffel, the lead investigator of his case, wrote
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  Speaker 1: about all of this extensively in The Muffan UFO Journal,
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  Speaker 1: in Fate magazine, and in her book How to Defend
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  Speaker 1: Yourself Against Alien Abduction. And as and Ruffle says, Reverend Bailey,
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  Speaker 1: in my considered opinion, is an honest and rational man.
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  Speaker 1: In my four years of documenting his nineteen fifty one encounter,
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  Speaker 1: I have never found any discrepancy in his statement, and
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  Speaker 1: many facets of his complex account were verifiable at the source.
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  Speaker 1: Reverend Harrison Bailey passed away on November twenty third, twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 1: He was seventy six years old. Huge thanks to Anne
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  Speaker 1: Druffel for her tremendous investigation of this very complex case.
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  Speaker 1: It's so unusual. I don't know that I've ever heard
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  Speaker 1: anyone described these little froglike humanoids before, wondering if perhaps
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  Speaker 1: that was a screen memory of some kind. Very hard
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  Speaker 1: to say for sure, but it's so interesting to me
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  Speaker 1: that this witness did his very best to spread the
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  Speaker 1: word about the existence of ets, as the ets asked
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  Speaker 1: him to do. This is not unusual. ETS will often
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  Speaker 1: charge a person with a mission, and this was absolutely
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  Speaker 1: true in this case. Also very interesting about this particular
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  Speaker 1: case is that the witness was able to capture some
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  Speaker 1: apparent photographs of ets. That's incredibly rare. There's only a
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  Speaker 1: handful of cases where this has ever happened. The witness
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  Speaker 1: was never found to be hoaxing in any way, there
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  Speaker 1: was no accusations of even hoaxing. He has many character
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  Speaker 1: witnesses who vouch for his honesty, so that also makes
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  Speaker 1: this case very important. Now let's move to the next case,
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  Speaker 1: this one I'm guessing you heard before. I call this
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: one the onboard UFO encounter of Herbert Schrmer. This involves
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a police officer who had a tremendous encounter, very close
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: upsighting involving missing time. This again is a case that's
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: been very well verified, and there's a whole lot to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: unpack with this one. I've also found some audio tape
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: from the witness, which I'll play for you segments of
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  Speaker 1: so you can hear him's story from himself firsthand. It
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  Speaker 1: was two thirty am on December third, nineteen sixty seven,
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  Speaker 1: as patrolman Herbert Schrmer, a twenty two year old Navy
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  Speaker 1: veteran of the Vietnam War, made his regular rounds through
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: the town of Ashland, Nebraska. He noted that evening that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the cattle in the local stockyards seemed unusually restless, and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: he was driving along Highway six and approaching Highway sixty
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: three to the north, and just before he reached the intersection,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: he noticed what he first thought was a truck blocking
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the highway, hovering just a few feet above it. But
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: as his headlights struck the object, he saw that no,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: this was not a truck. It looked like a flying saucer,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a saucer shaped craft about twenty six feet wide fifteen
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  Speaker 1: feet high, bright aluminum, with lights along the perimeter circumference.
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  Speaker 1: He drove to about forty feet of the object. When
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the engine of his car died. He grabbed his flashlight,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: but it failed to work. He tried to radio the
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  Speaker 1: sheriff's office, but his radio was dead, and as Herbert says,
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  Speaker 1: the craft was moving over the highway north about forty
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  Speaker 1: feet in the air. It seemed that some great force
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: was pulling the patrol car up the embankment where the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: craft was beginning to land. I came to a dead stop.
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  Speaker 1: All I could do was look at it. Herbert could
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: see what looked like red lights in the object, which
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: began flashing. At the bottom of the craft, there was
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: a square protrusion, which was emitting an orange glow. He
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: could hear a loud, whoshing noise. Almost immediately the object
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: rose fifty feet up into the air, making a kind
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: of twanging noise, is how he put it. He also
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: heard beeping sounds which increased in speed and volume. A
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: bright orange red beam of light came out from the bottom,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and the craft darted upwards at high speed, and it
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: was out of sight in the space of three seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Herbert quickly grabbed his police log and wrote down, saw
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  Speaker 1: a flying saucer at State junction six and sixty three.
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  Speaker 1: Believe it or not. Now I'd like to play a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: small recording of Herbert Schrmer describing this. This is about
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  Speaker 1: one minute and twenty seconds.
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  Speaker 3: I pulled onto the highway and putting the mic down,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen some flashing lights in front of me.
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  Speaker 2: First appeared to me to be a truck, I thought.
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  Speaker 3: As I got closer and put the high beams of
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: the lights in the trow car on, this object started raising.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: These lights started raising up in the air to about
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  Speaker 3: forty feet. I think I was something like fifty yards
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  Speaker 3: from this. These lights were flashing, and as they got bigger,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: as I got close.
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  Speaker 2: To it, seemed like they were.
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  Speaker 3: Flashing lights coming out of a porthole which sort of
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: circled the craft.
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  Speaker 2: It had like a catwalk going around the center of it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: It was shaped like a football, very metallic, like a
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: very shiny bumper if you probably stood bump on a
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: car had started a red raised orangie's glow coming from
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  Speaker 3: beneath it, and then there was this white flash that
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: came on to Meing in the trow car, it felt
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: as if we were being pulled, and then it was
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: being tolled, you know. We were being pulled up the
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  Speaker 3: side of this bank, to the left of the road
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  Speaker 3: and up towards this hill. The car and I I
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  Speaker 3: felt nothing. I at first I felt kind of stunned
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  Speaker 3: and shocked, and then I felt sort of tingly.
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  Speaker 1: Following his encounter, Herbert reported it to police Chief Charles
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: William Wallashin. The chief knew that Herbert was a good
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: officer and an honest man, and as Herbert described his encounter,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: he first believed it had lasted about ten minutes, but
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: he looked at the clock and it became clear that
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: there was a period of missing time at least thirty
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: minutes which Herbert could not account for, and as the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: police chief said, Shermer is a fine officer, and he
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: is a teetotaler, and he is perfectly willing to take
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  Speaker 1: up polygraph test. He is dependable and truthful. The chief
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: also revealed that he was contacted by four women who
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: reported that they had seen a flying saucer earlier that
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: evening in the same area. They refused to be identified
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and insisted upon anonymity. Also, in further confirmation, Dwayne Beckham,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Council Bluffs reported to the UFO just west of Ithaca
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  Speaker 1: on December fifteenth. This was just twelve days following Herbert
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Shermer's encounter, so an investigation began, starting with a lie
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: detector test, which Herbert passed. The site was tested for
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: radiation and found to be positive with eight micro rentkins
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: at the site. Now point zero five is normal background radiation,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: so definitely elevated radiation levels. There also appeared to be
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: swirled grass and three impressions on the ground where this
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: craft was seen, and the police chief says he actually
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: found a piece of shiny metal at the site, didn't
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: get to examine it as it was scooped up by
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: military investigators, and we never heard from it again. But
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the next day after the encounter, Herbert Shermer says that
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: he experienced anxiety, insomnia, a headache, and a strange buzzing
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: sound inside his head. He also noticed a red welt
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: behind his left ear down the side of his neck.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: This was a mark that would remain there for the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: rest of his life. And here Herbert describes in his
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: own words, the aftermath of his encounter. This is a
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: recording that lasts about four minutes and fifteen seconds.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: This cat wrap thing started spinning, the lights started flashing off,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: and on this red orangish glow came out from beneath it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: It started lifting up in the air, and I guess
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: it got about one hundred feet high and to shot
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: straight outside. Let me tell you, I was scared. I
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: started filling me again. When I was bored the spacecraft,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I had holly. I was feeling it all. My body
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: was tingling, I was perspiring, I was hot, I felt nauseated.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I got back into the patrol car. I turned it
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: around and I headed back for the police station. On
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: the way to the police station at a higher rated speed,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: I tried to make communication with Wahoo's Sheriff's offers, and
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: it appeared the radio was dead. I got to the station,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I jumped out of the car and a fast walk
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: walked into the police station, and I noticed that the
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: wall clock in the police station said one minute after
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: three am. Well, I went directly to the bathroom. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: had to go to the bathroom with drink of water
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: because I was hot. And I walked back into the
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: main room of the police station. We had a real
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: small police station. It was about twenty by twenty and
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I sat there at the table and I lit a cigarette,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: and I said, Wow, what the hell happened? Something happened
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: to me? Did I really see a flying soft? Did
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: this really happen to me? I looked at my report log,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: and I remember, through all the training and everything I went.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Through that regardless of the nature or what it was.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Put it in your report book because you just might
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: need it. So I looked at my report book and
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I got my pen out and I wrote, at two
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: thirty am, December third, nineteen sixty seven, I saw a
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: UFO at the.
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  Speaker 2: Adjunction six and sixty three. Believe it or.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Not, about six thirty that morning, a futal officer came
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: in and I explained to him what happened to me,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: and the funeral officer says, I believe you heard. One
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: time I was on my way to Wahoo, Nebraska, and
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I was driving down the road. I looked over lo
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: and behold, two year UFO was sitting in the field
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: and these little green.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Men were out there walking around it waiting at me.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I said, sure, Paul, and he says, I don't think
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: you should tell anybody her because I don't think aybody's
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: gonna believe you. Matter of fact, you're going to lose
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: your job if you tell the people. But I said, Paul,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: it's the truth. He said, well, you know, he said,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of people won't even accept the truth. I said, well,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I'll wait to the chief. He says, no, I'm going home.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: So I went home and I was you know, I
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: really felt like everything was drinking completely out of my body.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: And I laid down the couch and as I laid it,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I started getting a buzzing feeling in my head and
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I felt like I was being I had.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Pressure on my body. I couldn't move my arms.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I couldn't you know how you tried to open your
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: mouth and you can't say help.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I was trying to say help, you know. And then
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I went off to sleep in The phone rang and
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: The chief, and the chief says, get your butt down
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: to the station right now.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: What is this?
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: You mean you've seen a UFO? I said, I don't
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: feel good, I'm sick, and I'm not coming down to
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: the police station.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: He said, I'll be right over.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: So the next thing, TV came in, press came in,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: you know, newspapers, radio stations, and telephone calls started coming in.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Two days later, the ridicules started coming in, believe me.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: And I had a man run three blocks, puffing and puffing.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: He on the goodyear at tire shop there in ashing
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: to basking.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: You let me, Herb, if you ever see another flying
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: saucer it lands, you tell me I want to sell my
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: set of tires. The phone ring. This is the planet Mars.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, really ridiculous stuff. I think though,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: being here in Florida. One of the neatest walkings I
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: got was right out here in the lobby. The gentleman
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: out there is selling books and I walked up and
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: he says.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Herb Suman.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I said, yes, my name is so and so, and
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: I was taking a board a police cruiser. I thought
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: that was.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Neat Interestingly, Herbert says that as a police officer he
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: was somewhat intuitive and could sense when there might be
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: trouble in town. But after the encounter he did notice
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: an increase in psychic ability. Was about two months after
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the encounter, in February of nineteen sixty eight, that he
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: traveled to Boulder, Colorado, where he was hypnotized by doctor
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Leo Sprinkle in the presence of air force investigators from
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the Condon Committee. An under hypnosis an extensive on board
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: encounter was revealed. More on this a little later. But
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the aftermath of the encounter endured, and he was ruthlessly
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: ridiculed by those around him, and in fact his car
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: was vandalized, his tires were slashed, his windshield was broken
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: once it was actually dynamited. He did receive a series
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: of threatening phone calls. I mean, he had a lot
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: of backlash from coming forward. As he says, I would
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: give somebody a traffic ticket and they would look at
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: me and laugh and tear up the ticket. What could
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I do? So here, Herbert Shermer describes his trip to
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Colorado to get hypnotized in some of the ridicule and
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: harassment he received following his encounter. This is about three
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: to four minutes long.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: The United States Air Force Conon Committee, Blue Book Project,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: or however you want to say it, investigating team came
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: down to Ashton, Nebraska.
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  Speaker 2: To investigate me.
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  Speaker 3: A gentleman by the name of John Aarons who is
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: a friend of mine, and a gentleman.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: By the name of Roy Craig who was a physicist.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: John Aarons he probably hit me, but he was a
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: shrink psychiatrist. Tim and I had long discussions and he
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: told me to tell my story over and over.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And over and over. And I told it over and
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: over and over and over.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: And then they found a twenty five minute time lapse
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: in my log and John says, herb, what happened to
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: you between two thirty am December third, nineteen sixty seven
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: and three am or a little before three am. And
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I looked at him and I couldn't say anything because
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I didn't remember. So he says, you got to come
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: to Bowler. I said, okay. So they took me up
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: to Boulder and I met a UFO team there a
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: lot of people who run a lot of tests on me,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: and a hypnotist boy the name of doctor Leo Sprinkler,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: administered time aggression and hypnosis on me, which found out
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: a small detail that I had been aboard the spacecraft
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: and that I had actually communicated with him. They played
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: the tape back to me, and it shocked me. I
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: didn't know what to think. I said, are you is
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: that really my voice on that tape? You bet it is, boy,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I says, my god, what do I do now? While
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I was up in Boulder, the city got real cute,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: you know, the city fathers and people in the city.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: The day I left, they matter of fact, the night
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I left, they went down to our beautiful cemetery there
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: in Ashton, Nebraska and took this dummy and hung it
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: by the neck in a tree and put a big
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: star on it, shot holes through it, and painted the
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: hose with red like blood, and put her across the
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: star with a cowboy had on it. And they really
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: made it look big because they went down to the
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: martuary and they got the animus out of code three
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: run sole reins red lights.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: The whole works went over there and they.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Very carefully took it down and put it on a
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: stretcher and covered it up and took it back to
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the morgue.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: They thought they scared me, but they didn't. You see,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: that's what they were trying to do. They were trying
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: to scare me, but they didn't scare me because.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I thought it was kind of funny and I laughed
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: about it when I read in the paper and seen
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: all the pictures and everything. But while I was in Boulder,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: they blew my car up with dynamite and that really
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: made me mad. I just got through pain for it,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: and I was furious. You know, I could have done
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: like George Scott did in that movie Rage.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: You know, that's how mad I was. But due the
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: whole crisis, I had one very.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Good friend in ash Nebraska's name is Leroy Dimmitt, very
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: close friend, and he helped me a lot in Ashland.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: He was one of our relief officers in the police department,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: and I was really proud to have him as a friend.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Is what he stuck by my family? I really can't
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: say now.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: It wasn't long after his encounter that Herbert was actually
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: named the chief of police. He was then the youngest
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: chief of police in the Midwest, but he only served
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: for two months and then resigned. As he says, I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: was simply not paying attention to my job. I kept
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: wondering what had really happened that night. My headaches were
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: getting pretty fierce. I was gobbling down aspirin like it
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: was popcorn. You can't be a good policeman if you
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: have personal problems. So I quit. There was more backlash.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: He was fired from the town council where he had served.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: The stress from all the ridicule caused the breakup of
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: his marriage, and he eventually not only left Ashland, Nebraska,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: but the entire state. He struggled for work for several years,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: doing menial jobs because sooner or later people would hear
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: about his story and he would be labeled quote that
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: UFO nut from Nebraska. Now, although he had already been
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: hypnotized in Colorado, he still felt that there was more
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: he couldn't remember. As Herbert says, I know a lot
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: must have happened that night. It's down there somewhere in
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: my mind. I just can't get it out. And he
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: was right. The hypnosis session in Colorado did not get
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the whole story, so Herbert connected with UFO researcher Eric Norman,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and he agreed to another hypnosis session with hypnotist Loring G. Williams,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and between the sessions conducted by Leo Sprinkle and Loring G. Williams,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Herbert Sherman was able to recall the entire onboard experience. Consciously,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: he did not recall the craft actually landing, but under
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: hypnosis he was shocked to see three large legs telescope
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: out from under the craft, which then settled down onto
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the ground. He wanted to get away at this point,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: but as he said, quote, something in my mind was
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: preventing him from doing so. He saw two figures emerge
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: from the craft. They looked human but were wearing full
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: body uniforms, and as they walked towards his police cruiser,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Herbert attempted to pull out his revolver, but again found
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: himself unable to act. As he said, quote, I am
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: being prevented something in my mind. One of the figures
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: walked up to the side of the car and held
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: up an object. A bright green light flashed down at him,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and Herbert was unable to move as he lost consciousness.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: He woke up moments later and found himself rolling down
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the window to the car. The man from the UFO
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: held the device against the side of his neck. He
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: said it felt cold and hard. It caused a brief
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: flash of pain, and Herbert found himself exiting the vehicle.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: The et then asked him, are you the watchman of
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: this time? I'd like to play a two minute recording
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: where Herbert describes this whole incident.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: And as the car.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: And I moved up the bank to the top of
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: this fill, this object landed and some legs came out
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: and it sat down.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I was just sitting there, really motionless. I couldn't move.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I may even had my mouth open. I don't remember,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: you know, being probably scared.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: This hatch came open, and this light came out of
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: the hatch, and this farm came down and looked the
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: form of a human being. And this farm started walking
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: toward the patrol car with an object in both its
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: hands appeared to be hand, and he was walking straight
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: toward the patrol car. As he was doing this, another
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: form came out.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: And started walking toward the patrol car.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Also as this being got in front of the walked
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: up to the front of the patrol car with this
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: object in his hand.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Which looked sort of querish oval type. It looked like
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: it had a limbs in front.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Of it, and the only thing I could think was, Oh,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: my god, what's gonna happen now? This green light came
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: out all of the car and then saw like went
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: back in again, and I felt a sensation, and then
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: I felt nothing like. I was just there and that
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: was it, and this other being started walking up toward
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: the car.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I was sitting straight, looking straight. I couldn't even move
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: my head.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: And he walked up to the car and the window
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: was about three carters of the way rolled down, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: had an object in his hand, a silver object that
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: looked like a big pencil with a round ball on
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: the end of it, and he pressed us against the
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: side of my neck, which I felt some pain from,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: and set out.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Then he stepped back and I sort of sat there,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: and he opened up the.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Car door and just went like this, and I saw
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: a raise about of the shroad car and I was
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: looking at him and he was looking at me, and
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: he said, are you the watchman of this town?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: And my response was yes, sir.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: So after the man walked up to his car and
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: asked him if he was the watchman of this town.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Herbert was unnerved by the way the man stared intently
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: at him, but he replied, yes, sir. The man then
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: pointed to the Ashland power plant and said, is that
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: the only source of power you have in this belief?
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Herbert asked the man if he was real. The man
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: responded by reaching out and squeezing Herbert's shoulder, and the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: et asked him, would you shoot at a spaceship. Herbert
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: replied no, sir. The ET then said, come with me, Watchman.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: You can come aboard for a few minutes. The man
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: then escorted him to the craft. Herbert felt almost as
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: if he were walking on air. As they approached, a
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: circular opening appeared from under the craft and a ladder descended.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Herbert said he climbed the ladder and was surprised to
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: feel how cold it was, but later he said he
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: actually sort of floated up into the first level of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: this craft. Et told Herbert that as they were speaking,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: his mind was being downloaded with information, something that they
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: do to all the people they contact. Herbert found himself
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: in a circular room about twenty by twenty six feet
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: six feet high. He said there were some instruments in there.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Red lights glowed from the ceiling. He saw two chairs
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: facing a control panel and what looked like quote vision screens.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: He could see portholes around the side of the craft.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: He saw numerous four and a half foot high cylinders
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: encircling the room, which he thought thought might be batteries.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: In the center of the room was a twenty foot
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: long object which was spinning and giving off bright colors.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: But he was now able to get a good look
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: at the ets, what he said were between four and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: a half to five feet tall. They wore tight fitting
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: silver gray uniforms with boots and gloves. He noticed a
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: winged serpent emblem on the side of their chests. He
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: said the suits covered their entire body, including their heads,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: leaving only the face uncovered. He said there was a
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: small antenna on one side of the head, and although
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: they looked human, there were some striking differences. Their heads
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: were thinner and longer than a normal person's head. Their
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: skin was gray white, the nose was flavish, the mouth
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: was a mere slit, and their eyes were slightly slanted.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: And as Herbert says, he's asking me if I would
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: like to see how some of their things work. In
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: my mind, I'm thinking no because I want to go home,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: but something tells me to say yes. He's showing me
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: things that look like computer machines. Through my mind. He
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: is telling me these things. My mind hurts. He is
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: telling me this is an observation craft with a crew
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: of four men. Now, he said, the Ets spoke telepathically
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and also in broken English. He said quote. It is
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: very strange sounding and appears to come from deep inside
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: them rather than from his mouth. I can't describe it.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: He is saying, they study our languages on Earth through
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: some sort of machine. My mind is telling me that
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: they have computers to speak any language somehow wherever they
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: land now, the ets told him that they came from
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: a nearby galaxy, but do have bases on planets within
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: our Solar system and in the US. They mentioned Florida, Argentina,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: the Polar regions. Herbert never did confirm this, but they
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: told him that the metal of their craft has ultra
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: pure magnesium and explained in detail how their craft operate.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: As Herbert says, the ship is operated through reversible electromagnetism.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: A crystal like rotor in the center of the ship
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: is linked to two large columns, and he said those
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: were the reactors. Reversing magnetic and electrical energy allows them
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: to control matter and overcome the force of gravity. The
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: man then told him, come with me, watchman. Herbert was
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: then taken to a second level of the craft via
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: a kind of transparent platform. I'd like to play a
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: one minute thirty second long recording where Herbert describes all
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: of this.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: He said, come with me, Watchman, and we started moving
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: toward the spacecraft and.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: It felt like I was walking on air.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: We got up to the hatch to where you went
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: inside of the spacecraft, and we just sort of like
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: floated up into the first level and he says to me, Watchman,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: come with me.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: And we were in a circular room, and there were
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Of cylinders about four and a half feet high and
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: about two feet wide that circled the whole room, and
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: it had sort of like a cable rung through it,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: two cables rung through these. They looked like tall batteries
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: to me. And then in the center of this room
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: was a huge cocoon or you know, like this shape
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: dodgic was spinning and it was giving off colors like
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: the rainbow, and was about twenty feet long, and it
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: seemed like these cables were coming up and connecting to
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: these two block things that came down on each end
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: of it. And we walked the complete circle in there,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: and I said, what is this? And he said this
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: is how our craft operates, and he said it operates
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: on electrical reversible magnetism. And then I looked at him
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: and he said, come with me, watchman, and we walked
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: back over to where I came.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Up in with him.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: A glass sheet came down and we stepped onto this,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: which I felt, and we moved up into the second
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: level of the craft.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: The ets explained that radar had interfered with their craft,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: but before any crashed, the craft would be self destructed
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: by another ship deep in space, leaving nothing for anyone
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: to recover. They said that the ship that they were
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: in came from the mother ship, and using the screens,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: they showed Herbert that they have smaller disc shaped drone
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: crafts which are used for surveillance, and actually showed him
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: images of their own solar system. As Herbert says, there
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: was all kinds of panels and computers and stuff like this,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and there was a map on the wall, and there
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: was this large screen, like a vision screen, and he
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: walked up and he pressed some buttons, and he pointed
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: towards the stars and said, that's where we're from. It
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: was a map of a sun and six planets. He
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: never said exactly where they were from. But they also
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: demonstrated how they are able to siphon electricity from power
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: lines and the et. He told him look, watchman, and
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: he began a demonstration, and as Herbert says, he said,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I should look out one of the portholes. He pushed
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: a button. I saw an antenna like thing move down
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and around to where it pointed at the power lines.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: He must have pushed another button or something, because there
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: is a sudden white spurt of electricity. It shot out
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: of the electrical line and went right into the tip
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: of the antenna. He said, for me to look at
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the dials on this one gage. They registered completely full.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: He said that they didn't take much electricity, but they
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: have problems storing it, so they take it from our
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: power lines. When they land, an invisible force field is
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: thrown around the ship in a circular pattern. He said
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: that the electromagnetic field is a defense mechanism, so they
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: told him many things. They told him quote the purpose
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: that we're here is to get electricity. They did ask
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: him about the nearby Lincoln City Water Reservoir and explain
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: that they use water to help them draw power. Though
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Herbert didn't understand what they were saying here. They said
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: that they are also announcing their presence in the hopes
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: of open official contact. At one point they took him
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: up to a third level, which they called the observation deck.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: As Herbert says, they have been observing us for a
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: long period of time, and they think that if they
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: slowly put out the reports and have their contacts state
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: the truth, it will help them. They have no pattern
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: for contacting people. There will be a lot more contact.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: To a certain extent, they want to puzzle people. He
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: is telling me that they want everyone to believe them
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: in some so that they will be open to their invasion.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: He's the word invasion, but he meant it in a
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: friendly way. He said it would be the showing of
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: themselves completely. The public should consider in their minds that
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: they should have no fear of these beings because they
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: are not hostile. They told him that they have some
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: ability to manipulate time, slow it down, halted, or speed
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: it up. They said that they had a quote breeding
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: analysis program and had contacted other people for this. They
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: said that our military was hostile to them and had
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: it attempted to chase them and shoot down their craft,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and for this reason their contacts were done randomly. They said,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: quote Earth people do not do things in the right way.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: They also said, one day, watchman, you will see the
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: universe as we have. Towards the end of the visit,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: the EAT said, watchmen, come with me, and they exited
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the craft. The ET said, watchman, what you have seen
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: and what you have heard you will not remember. The
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: only thing you will remember is you've seen something land
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and something take off. The et instructed him, I wish
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: you would not tell that you have been aboard this ship.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: You are to tell the ship landed below the intersection
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: of the highways that you approached, and it shot up
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: into the air and disappeared. You will tell this and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: nothing more. You will not speak about this night. We
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: will return to see you two more times. During this
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: entire onboard experience, two other ets were walking back and
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: forth in a kind of military fashion. Is how Herbert
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: described it, so he was led to the exit. The
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: et placed his hand on Herbert's shoulder. Herbert exited the craft.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: He saw two ets had remained outside and now climbed
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: back in. Herbert returned to his cruiser, and as the
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: craft took off, the entire onboard segment of the encounter
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: left his conscious mind. I'd like to play a four minute,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: forty second long tape recording of where Herbert describes all
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: this and lo and.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Behold, I've never seen anything like it before in my life,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: with so many different types of instrument panels and computer
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: type things that he just wouldn't believe it. This cone
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: thing was not in the center of the floor. You
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: see half of it from on top and half of
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: it from the bottom. But it gave off a red
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: glow that sort of not flash, but kind of died
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: down and then came back up again. And he says, watchman,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: come with me, and we walked over to a screen
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: that was up on the side.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I say, wall. It was sort of like a.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: TV screen, and he pressed some buttons and I guess
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: flipped some switches.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I wasn't paying too much attention to him.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I was looking at the screen and some stars in
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: the sky appeared on there, and he put his finger
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: up like this and he said, this is where we're from, Watchman,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: and then he put his hand back down. He didn't
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: say where, and he didn't say the name. He just
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: pointed the purpose that we're here is to get electricity.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: And there was another being standing a little distanced away,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: and the man turned to him and they both looked
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: at each other, and he started be pressing buttons and
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: he says, watch watchman. And there was this antenna on
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: the outside of the spacecraft which angled word a power unit,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: and this bolt went out a color I've never seen
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: before in my life. I don't even think I could describe.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: It went out and came back and this stayed like
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: this for about three minutes, and then it went off,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: and he turned and looked at me, and I felt
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: as I was getting a very very an awful lot
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: of role of input of words that I couldn't understand.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: And he reached up and he touched me on the shoulder,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: and he felt real when he touched me, and I
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: think at that time I did touch him, and he
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: felt real to me. And he says, watchmen, come with me.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: We walked back over to the exit I'll say where
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: we came up, and the glass sheet came down again,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: and we went up into the third part of the craft,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: which was the observation deck. He said as we stepped off,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: he said, Watchman, come with me. And we walked over
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: and we were staying there looking out a big plate
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: glass window type thing, and there were a there was
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: a control panel right in front of it, and there
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: were two chairs that look like dentist chairs. You know,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: I've read to the dentist dentist chair, but really superstructure
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: of a chair better than a dentist chair.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: We looked out the window and I could see this
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: one being walking back and forth by where my patrol
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: car was, and I think I said wow, and he
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: put his He didn't know, he didn't.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: He turned to me and he said something.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: I don't understand, and he said some more things that
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't understand or I couldn't make out, and I
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: still don't.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: And then he.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Pointed his hand toward the plate glass window. I, as
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: I say, referred to to the stars out there, and
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: he says to me, a watchman, one day, you yourself
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: will see the universe as I have, and he reached
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: up and he touched me on the shoulder like this,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: you know, like grabbing you on the shoulder like a
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: man does to steer you away. And he says, come
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: with me, watchman. And then he stopped and he said watchman.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: And I turned around like this to look at him,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: and it felt I was like I was getting more
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: input of something that I couldn't understand. Then he says, watchman,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: come with me. We walked over and we.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Went down all the way out of the craft.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: As we got outside, this other being started walking back
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: toward the spacecraft and boarded it.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: As we were walking toward my.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Patrol car, and we stopped right by the patrol car
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: and I turned to look at him, and he was
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: looking at me, and then again it felt like I
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: was receiving an input of words of some kind that
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: I couldn't understand. And he turned now he sort I
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: lifted his hand, and then he turned and walked back
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: to the spacecraft. Floated up inside this catwrap thing started spinning,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: The life started flashing off and on this red orangish
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: glow came out from beneath it. It started lifting up
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: in the air and I guess it got about one
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: hundred feet high and to shot straight outside. Let me
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: tell you, I was scared. I started filling me again.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Herbert Shermer's story was widely printed in magazines, newspapers, and books.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Perhaps the most complete coverage was in Ralph and Judy
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Bloom's book Beyond UFOs. Leo Sprinkle, who conducted the initial
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: hypnosis session, was convinced of Herbert's honesty and said that
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: he was quote sincere and telling the truth as he
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: saw it now. Despite the etes promise to return, they
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: told him they returned by the end of nineteen sixty eight.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Herbert never reported any return visits, as he said, I
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: never saw anything again. Maybe he did see them and
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: just didn't talk about it. Considering the backlash that he suffered,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: the Condon Committee reached a negative conclusion about the existence
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: of UFOs and regarding Herbert Chermer's experience, one Condon investigator wrote,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: quote the patrolman seemed quite sincere in presenting his report.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Despite this, the Condon Committee ruled that Shermer's case was
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: quote psychological, They wrote, and I quote evaluation of psychological
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: assessment tests, the lack of any evidence and interviews with
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: the patrolman left project staff with no confidence that the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: troopers reported UFO experience was physically real. Now, Herbert for
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: some time did remain vocal about his experience, always maintaining
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: that it did happen. But eventually he just shut up.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: He was very badly ridiculed, but he did refuse to
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: back down. He knew he was telling the truth, and
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: he was determined to tell the truth.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I went to.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: My father and I said, Dad, I said, I know
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: you have year in the Air Force. But I asked
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: my father at point blank, I said, Dad, what do
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: you think of the ufairs. My father never said no,
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: and he never said yes. He just said some If
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: you're telling the truth, stick with it, and so I
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: stuck with it.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I thank you very much.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: As Herbert says, there might be a lot of people
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: who have had similar experiences who are afraid to admit it.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Herbert Schrmer died in twenty seventeen. He was seventy two
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: years old. What an amazing case that is. I like
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: it for a number of reasons. We have a very
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: good witness, a police officer, a trained observer, a military officer,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: So that makes this case. I think have a little
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: bit more credibility than perhaps the average person. But also
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: the physiological evidence he's got, character witnesses, there's other sightings
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: in the area at that time, so there's a lot
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: of corroboration of this encounter. I also think it's an
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: important case because it's a very early case, well before
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: this subject got really famous. It's one of the early
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: cases of someone being taken on board in the United States.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I really feel for this witness the tremendous ridicule he experienced.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: As we see this is not unusual. It's definitely gotten
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: better over the years. But back then this was a
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: subject that a lot of people were not ready for,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: not ready to talk about, not ready to take seriously.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: But this case helped pave the way for others, and
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: really it provided a lot of information about what it's
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: like to be taken on board. And I think the
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: fact that yeah, it does involve hypnosis, it matches up
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: with so many other cases, which again I think argues
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: for its veracity. I am a huge supporter of hypnosis
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: done correctly. It has been proven to be very effective
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: in recovering people's memories. So now let's move to the
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: next case. Which I call the onboard UFO encounter of
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Dionysio Yanka. This is another case that received an enormous
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: amount of publicity, and you may have heard of it before.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I really investigated this one as deeply as I could
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: to get all the details I could find, So again,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I'm confident there's some stuff in here you probably haven't
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: heard before. Of all three of these accounts, I think
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: this gentleman was probably the most traumatized. He had an
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: enormous amount of ridicule and pushback following his experience, even
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: accusations of a hoax, which I think are unfounded, as
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: we'll get into, but definitely an important and early case.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: This last case occurred in October of nineteen seventy three.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: At that time, there was a massive wave of UFO
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: and humanoid encounter sweeping across the United States and the world.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Truck driver Dionysio Yanka, aged twenty five, of Bahia Blanca, Argentina,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: had no knowledge of this wave or what he was
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: about to experience as he began a two day drive
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: from Bahia Blanca to Rio Galagos in Argentina. He was
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: carrying a load of building materials and inspecting his truck.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Before the trip, he did notice that one of his
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: rear tires was under inflated, but for some reason he
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: decided to ignore it and begin his trip. At first,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: his journey was uneventful, but around twelve forty five a m.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: On October twenty eighth, nineteen seventy three, as he traveled
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: along Highway three, he passed under some high tension wires
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: crossed the railroad tracks near Bordeaux, when he could feel
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: the rear tire had become much worse, so he pulled
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: over and began to change the tire. Was now one
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: fifteen am and the road was deserted, and as Dionysio said,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: all at once the road was illuminated with an intense
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: yellow light. Because of the color, I thought it might
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: be the headlights of a puget, and I continued with
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: my work. A few seconds passed and I had my
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: shoulder to the light, but it became so bright that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: it lighted the whole area. Now the light had changed
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to a bluish color, similar to an electric arc welder.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I tried to get up, but could not rise. I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: had no strength, and a strange thing, my legs would
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: not respond. I was on my knees. I wanted to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: get up and look towards the woods that grew along
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: one side of the road. Then I saw a great
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: thing in the form of a plate suspended in the air,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: and three persons at my shoulders looking at me. I
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: tried once more to get up, but could not. The
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: paralysis became total, and I could not even talk. So
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: per Dionysio, the saucer was yellow on the top section,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: kind of purplish on the bottom section, And meanwhile these
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: three peas people stared at him fixedly. As Dionysio says,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: there were two men and a woman. The woman in
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: the center, I could see she was a woman because
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: I could see the outline of her breasts and the
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: long fair hair which reached half way down her back.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: The men, too, were blonde, with their hair combed back.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: They were all dressed alike, very tight fitting leaden gray
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: colored one piece suits, three quarter length boots of a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: yellow color. They had long gloves of the same yellow color,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: and these reached half way up their arms. They wore
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: neither belts, nor helmets, nor anything else. They had no weapons.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Their faces were like ours, but they had great, wide
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: foreheads and elongated eyes like those of the Japanese, a
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: little tilted and slightly protuberant. They were talking together in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: a language that was impossible to understand. It had no
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: vowels and sounded like a badly tuned radio with squeaky
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: sharp notes. Now, he says, the beings were about five
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: and a half feet tall, and they continued to stare
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: at Dionysio for a full five minutes, he said, until
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: suddenly taking action. As Dionysio says, one of them seized
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: me by the collar and pulled me upright forcibly, but
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: without violence. I tried to speak, but my voice would
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: not come. While the one who had pulled me up
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: held me, the other man put a device to the
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: base of the index finger of my left hand. I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: got a good look at the device. It looked like
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: a battery operated electric shaver, and it had a nozzle
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: which they applied to me for a few seconds. It
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: did not hurt. When they took it away, I had
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: two drops of blood on my finger. I think I
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: fainted then, because I don't remember anything else now. As
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: all of this was happening, he was thinking to himself
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: or crying out, who are you people? What do you want? Please,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: don't do anything to me. You can take the truck
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: any He had a considerable amount of money in the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: truck at the time. The next thing Dionysio knew, one
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: or two hours had passed. Was now two or three
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: a m. And he was lying on the ground miles
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: away inside the corral of the Sociadad Rural de Bahia Blanca.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: He was so disoriented that not only did he not
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: know where he was, he could not remember his truck,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: his home. He couldn't even remember his own name. He
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: felt very cold and nauseous. He did see a highway
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: off in the distance, so he pulled himself to his
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: feet and walked towards it. He said he had a
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: really bad headache. He was looking for the police. He
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: was absolutely disoriented. Around this time he was found by
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: a man who wondered if perhaps Dionysio had been in
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: some sort of car accident. The man did call the police.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Dionysio's next conscious memory was waking up in a hospital
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: bed in a room at the municipal hospital in Bahia Blanca,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: and he learned from authorities that he had been found
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: wandering around and weeping and asking what town he was in.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: He was unable to remember anything about his past whatsoever,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: still could not remember his own name. Doctors confirmed his
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: state of amnesia and were puzzled as he showed no
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: signs of any injury. So Dionysio suffered from this amnesia
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: for almost three days until one morning he woke up
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: and spontaneously his memory of his life returned, but he
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: did not yet recall what had happened during the missing time.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: He did eventually go home, but was so traumatized that
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: he later went back to the hospital, and finally doctors
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: decided to try hypnosis. On November six, about nine days
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: after his encounter, Dionysio was given sodium pentathal truth serum
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: and was placed under hypnotic regression. There was a whole
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: panel of doctors working with him. Four sessions were held,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: and in each one Dionysio's story remained fully consistent. It
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: took a while to get out the details, but he
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: did remember what happened. Dionysio says that he found himself
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: being floated into the craft quote by means of a
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: light on a ray of light. He says he almost
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: just walked up this beam of light he found himself
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: inside this craft, which had silver gray walls and floor.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: He said that there was a large round window, and
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: outside he could see that the craft had extended what
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: looked like a cable to the power lines, apparently to
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: recharge their craft. Researchers did later confirm that power consumption
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: in the area of the encounter was inexplicably higher than normal.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Dionysio said, looking outside, he also saw another tube leading
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: from the craft down into a small lake. And as
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Dionysio says, there are many devices, many of them two
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: viewing screens and one stars can be seen. In another screen,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: he could see the Earth. He saw that they had
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: taken his lighter, his pack of cigarettes, and his watch,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: which were lying on a table in the craft. All
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: of these were returned to him, with the exception of
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: his lighter. The three beings that were with him began
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: to speak to him, he thinks helopathically or using some
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: kind of electronic device, He's not sure. They told him
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: not to be afraid, that they are friends, that they
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: have been here for a long time, that they had
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: come from far according to one report from outside our galaxy.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: When he questioned them more about it, they refused to
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: be specific and just told Dionysio, as he says, they
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: say that it is their secret. They told him that
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: they had been visiting the Earth since nineteen fifty and
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: during this time they had been taking samples from Earth
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: and studying human behavior. They said that they did this
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: for ten years, concentrating mostly on taking samples only, but
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: around nineteen sixty began to contact humans directly, and one
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: of their goals was to establish contact with people to
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: determine if people were adaptable and capable of being transported
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: on their craft to their world should the need arise,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: As Dionysia says, wish to learn if we can live
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: in their world. They explained that some of their kind
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: were living among the human population on our planet, and
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: he was told that they contacted him in particular because
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: he was a simple and good man without any problems.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: They said that possibly they would return for another contact
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: and perhaps take him with them. He did recall the
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: beings talking to each other periodically in a language that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: sounded to him like a buzzing noise, and under hypnosis,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Dionysio said, I have a message from the beings in
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: the craft, but I can't tell you what it is.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: No matter what you or any other Earth scientists do,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: there will remain a memory lapse. While I was on
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: the ship, I was there for forty to forty five minutes.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Now we do now know what this message is, and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: it regards the future of our planet. As Dionysio says,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: these people said that our planet is bound to suffer
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: very grave catastrophes if our behavior continues as it is
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: at present. The last thing Dionysio recalled on the craft
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: was the woman placing her hand under his left eye,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: and then he passed out. Doctors did later confirm finding
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: a small scratch there. They also found a mark on
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: his hand where the instrument was placed that apparently took
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: a blood sample at the beginning of his encounter, and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: in fact, both these marks would remain visible for the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: rest of Dionysio's life. The last thing Dionysio recalled was
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: descending slowly to the ground, and as he was placed
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: on the ground, the eetis told him that they would
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: return for him, and he passed out. When he woke up,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: he realized that he had complete amnesia again, to the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: point that he did not even know his own identity. Now,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: in the days that followed, Dionysio had repeated nightmares about
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: the encounter, and while hypnosis brought the memories back, he
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: still remained pretty traumatized. One of the doctors, a psychiatrist
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: by the name of Eduardo Mata, says, and I quote,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: I believe that something t tremendous happened to Dionysio Yanka
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: that night, something fantastic and terrible. Another one of the doctors,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: doctor Eladio Santos, said, and I quote, Dionysio told what
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: he thinks he experienced. We possessed no means of proving
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: that Yanka was not inside a flying object, nor do
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: we possess a technique capable of proving that he was.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Dionysio Yanka under hypnosis and pentothal always told the same story,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: and that story is that he was inside a flying
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: saucer with two tall men with short blonde hair and
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: a woman with long blonde hair. These beings were wearing
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: silvery clothing and talking among themselves in a language that
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: sounded like the buzzing of bees in a hive, and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: that they promised to return. Ultimately, Dionysia was not happy
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: by the way the doctors treated him. He said, he
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: was treated like a guinea pig, and finally he just left,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: he said, tired of being injected with pentothal, the so
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: called truthsierum, and the problems that remembering all that caused me,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I decided to escape to never appear again. Dionysia suffered
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: badly from the attention and ridicule heaped upon him by
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: those around him, especially the press, and before long there
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: were accusations of fraud that he and one of the
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: doctors were collaborating the hopes of making money from his story.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Dionysio denied this and stuck to his story and arguing
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: against the hoax. Theory is that Dionysio never accepted or
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: received any funds for his story, nor did the accusers
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: ever identify themselves, nor did they provide any evidence whatsoever
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: of any fraud, and apparently, an investigation showed that the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: accusations stemmed from reporters who were attempting to get first
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: hand information on the case, from doctors and from Dionysio himself,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: but were denied access. Now, further investigations showed that the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: fraud accusations themselves were fraudulent. Apro's Argentinian representative Lear d
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Joragui did a follow up investigation, talked to the doctors,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: listened to the hypnosis tapes, and came to the conclusion
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: that Dionysia was telling the truth and that the reports
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: about a book, or a money making scheme or a
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: hoax were simply not true. In further confirmation of the case,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: local newspapers reported that an Argentine air base near Bahia
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Blanca reported seeing a UFO on the same day of
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Dionysio's encounter. Was reportedly tracked by six navy men in
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: the control tower for about twenty minutes using very sophisticated
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: electronic tracking gear. They were convinced that the object they
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: tracked was nothing conventional. But in the months and years
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: after the encounter, Dionysio continued to suffer. He ended up
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: quitting his job as a trucker. He went through a
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: series of jobs and eventually stopped working altogether. He broke
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: up with his fiancee, his parents kicked him out of
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: the home. He ended up serving some time in jail,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: quite a bit of time in hospitals years and as
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: he says, the skin on my entire body was peeling off,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: and at times my eyes would get so red that
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: it seemed like I was going to go blind. The
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: doctors told me I had levels of exposure to radioactivity,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: although the worst thing of all was that from time
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: to time I would see the light from the UFO.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: So eventually Dionysia refused all other interviews and did his
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: best to slip into anonymity. He was very unhappy with
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: the way he was treated, especially by reporters, and as
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: he says, they defamed me and used me. So he
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: just disappeared into obscurity for decades, and it wasn't until
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three that he granted interviews with researchers again
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: and told them, why did all this have to happen
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: to me? Why? The truth is, I don't like to
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: remember I had a worse time with the people from
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Earth than with the people from there. If the same
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: thing happened to me again, I'd keep it to myself.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell anyone, not in a million years. Dionysio
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: passed away on May thirty first, twenty twenty four. He
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: was seventy six years old. As you can see, that
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: was an encounter that was very difficult for the witness
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: to go through. He not only experienced missing time, but
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: had retrograde amnesia. There's a number of cases like this. Definitely,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: he was able to recover from this, but it was
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: something that affected him for the rest of his life. So, yeah,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: my heart goes out to all of these witnesses. This
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: is an experience that changes everything. So regarding the accusations
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: of a hoax, there are some who still think that
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: this could have been a hoaxed encounter. I highly doubt it.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: The details he describes are very consistent with other people's accounts.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: This was something he could not have known about. And
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: also I think that the hoax accusations were never proven
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: and are frankly ridiculous because the idea that he's going
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: to make money off of this is pretty laughable. He
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: never made a dime and it affected him adversely for
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: pretty much the rest of his life. Thankfully, towards the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: end of his life he did find some comfort in
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: talking to UFO researchers and sharing his experience in a
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: way that was more friendly for him, I think. But
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: all three of these are tremendously important cases. It's amazing
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: to me how many commonalities they have while at the
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: same time they have these interesting and unique differences. Very
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: interesting how the ETS described using electricity taking it from
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: telephone wires, or they're using the water reservoirs for some
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: purpose in terms of getting any that's still not fully understood,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: but that's definitely a pattern we see in so many
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: cases of UFOs hovering over electric lines and reservoirs and
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: so forth.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: And it's so.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Interesting to me that in all three of these cases,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: the witnesses received considerable information from the ETS, and we're
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: essentially given a message for all humanity. So that makes
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: these cases really important. And there's a lot more like them.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I've said it before, most people who have these experiences
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  Speaker 1: do not come forward. So these three are just the
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  Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg. So that's it for today. Three
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  Speaker 1: onboard UFO encounters that have really shaped how we think
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  Speaker 1: about these extraterrestrials visiting our planet. Hope you've enjoyed this episode,
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  Speaker 1: Hope you perhaps learn something new, and until next time,
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  Speaker 1: keep asking those hard questions, keep searching for the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Most important of all, keep having fun, and I'll see
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  Speaker 1: you next week for another episode of UFOs and the
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  Speaker 1: Paranormal Sign It off