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Bonus Episode: The Betrayal of Ted Shaughnessey w Teri True Crime & Texas Wine & True Crime · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: So great to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a few people in the studio with me
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  Speaker 2: as usual. Chris, I am here. You are definitely here,
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  Speaker 2: and we have a guest. Well, this is more of
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  Speaker 2: just a collaboration effort, but she came to our humble
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  Speaker 2: domain and decided to record with us.
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  Speaker 1: Terry his I am here. You are here. Tell everybody
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  Speaker 1: who you are, what you do, and why you're here.
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  Speaker 3: I am Terry True Crime and I do a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things, but I won't share all of that because
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  Speaker 3: that might be TMI. But I am a co host
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  Speaker 3: of True Crime and White Time.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we've enjoying some wine which we just shared with
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  Speaker 2: you and what we're sipping tonight. But Knight's case is
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  Speaker 2: about an Austin case. Is an Austin case. Ted Shaughnessy
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  Speaker 2: is who we're talking about. He is our victim. And
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  Speaker 2: then Corey Shaughnessy, who was the wife of Ted, who
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  Speaker 2: survived this attack. And then we have the culprit who
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  Speaker 2: we now know was involved in this crime, and that
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  Speaker 2: is their adopted son Nick and their daughter in law
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  Speaker 2: secret daughter in law because they didn't know that these
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  Speaker 2: two actually got married secret what I say.
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  Speaker 1: A secret daughter in law is what I said. Does
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  Speaker 1: that sound fine and interesting?
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  Speaker 2: It was, and that is Jackie Edison. Yes, so you
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do this case. I had never heard of this,
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  Speaker 2: and there's a lot to this.
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  Speaker 3: There is in living in Austin. It's been a big
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  Speaker 3: deal and I am shocked it hasn't gone all throughout
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  Speaker 3: Texas because it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a very interesting case. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that when we talk about one of the victims,
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  Speaker 2: which is the mother who survived this attack, she actually
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  Speaker 2: had not been shot, nothing happened to her, but she
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  Speaker 2: was shot at and ended up in a closet called
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  Speaker 2: nine one one, and then it progresses from there. But
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  Speaker 2: you have someone of influence in Austin. Her and her
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  Speaker 2: husband had owned a jewelry store, a popular one.
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  Speaker 4: It said's quite large.
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  Speaker 3: It was. It was very popular. In fact, it was
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  Speaker 3: a place that they would find the type of diamond,
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  Speaker 3: the clarity, the cut, They would do custom things for you.
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  Speaker 5: His dad was like a jewelry maker. He just owned
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  Speaker 5: the actual jewelry.
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  Speaker 3: He owned the jewelry store. They had a jewelry maker
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  Speaker 3: from my understanding, but they also gave back to the community,
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  Speaker 3: so they were very involved with the community in Austin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, when they met in LA in the sixties,
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  Speaker 2: they had talked about I'm sorry he was from LA.
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  Speaker 2: The couple met when they were in an arcade in Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: They marry in the nineties, and they wanted to open
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  Speaker 2: a jewelry store. Yes, they had picked out a name.
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  Speaker 2: It was going to be called Gallery and then they
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  Speaker 2: decided to when they when they were going to do this,
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  Speaker 2: they also decided they were going to adopt a son. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and they did so. They adopt Nick from a Russian orphanage.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So what did you What did you find out about
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  Speaker 2: Nick and their feelings adopting from Russia?
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  Speaker 1: Like, what was that research?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 3: So the first thing I found interesting is Nick was
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  Speaker 3: eighteen months old he was adopted, which is a little
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  Speaker 3: older than most newborns who go into an orphanage. They
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  Speaker 3: usually get adopted pretty quick. So I found that interesting.
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  Speaker 3: And they say that when they met him, they knew.
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  Speaker 3: Corey said it was almost like an instant bonding and
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  Speaker 3: they just knew. She also says that animal crackers were involved. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: and I am just going to say, what eighteen months
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  Speaker 3: old isn't going to love the person who's getting.
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  Speaker 1: I was like animal, I like them too, get doubt.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing that was interesting about orphanages in Russia
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  Speaker 3: back in the day that is different from what I
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  Speaker 3: know about orphanages in the US. They did not believe
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  Speaker 3: and letting the infant get attached or bond with humans,
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  Speaker 3: So they intentionally didn't hold them love on them because
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  Speaker 3: they wanted them to bond with their adoptive parents. So
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  Speaker 3: if you think about that, he was eighteen months old
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  Speaker 3: before he had true human love and contact.
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  Speaker 5: Get to one of the psychology behind that though, because
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  Speaker 5: what if they don't ever get adopted or just get
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  Speaker 5: adopted much.
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  Speaker 4: Later and later, and as that progresses, you know, down
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  Speaker 4: the red.
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  Speaker 5: Ramifications of of that not having that bonding.
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  Speaker 1: Probably a lot of I mean those are like I
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  Speaker 1: really formative years for some reason.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a reason a baby comes
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  Speaker 2: out crying, right, and then you start to swaddle them
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  Speaker 2: and hold them close and they stop and they stop right,
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  Speaker 2: So I think there is a lot to do with
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  Speaker 2: And then you have to wonder do babies cry more
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  Speaker 2: when they're not coddled, and were they constantly dealing with
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  Speaker 2: crying children and all they wanted was to be held
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  Speaker 2: like but.
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  Speaker 3: If they kind of interesting, if they wrapped them and
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  Speaker 3: swaddled them tight and then and then just left them,
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  Speaker 3: they felt like they were being hell.
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  Speaker 1: So that interest.
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  Speaker 3: Is just very interesting.
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  Speaker 2: And what does it do to the huge I mean
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  Speaker 2: you as a developmental person from a baby and they say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe these things don't affect you because you were too
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  Speaker 2: young you don't remember them. But I don't really, I
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  Speaker 2: don't believe that. I don't either that human contact is
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  Speaker 2: something children have to have and need and what it
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  Speaker 2: does to them psychologically. I mean, we hear about this
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  Speaker 2: different things with abuse or not being treated in neglect
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  Speaker 2: and what it can do at a very young age
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  Speaker 2: and how it can go into their teen and adult
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  Speaker 2: years and some of the decisions they make because of
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  Speaker 2: those things that you may not have know even really
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  Speaker 2: affected you, but did well.
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  Speaker 3: And I've read stories about kids who don't like to
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  Speaker 3: be hugged, Yeah, were touched. It's because they grew up
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  Speaker 3: in a home where they weren't hugged or touched.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uncomfortable for them.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so you're eighteen months old and you've not I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it makes my heart hurt. But I'm going to just
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  Speaker 3: say it's not an excuse for him.
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  Speaker 1: But he did get adopted.
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  Speaker 3: He did get adopted.
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  Speaker 2: He had family, a very loving family, and they took him,
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  Speaker 2: went to Austin, started living their life, opened their jewelry store.
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  Speaker 1: What did you know? I mean, I found that this
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  Speaker 1: couple in my research. People liked them.
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  Speaker 3: They did. They were very well liked. Everyone loved that.
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  Speaker 3: It was said that Ted would see somebody outside who
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  Speaker 3: looked like they were having a hard time, he would say, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: do you need food?
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  Speaker 1: Do you need money? Can I help you with anything?
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  Speaker 3: So they were very well liked and they were very active.
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  Speaker 2: And he would go to different businesses around his own
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  Speaker 2: business and say hi, like he's just kind of an
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  Speaker 2: engaging neighbor and engaging business owner with other business owners.
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  Speaker 1: So he was.
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  Speaker 3: And they said Nick loved to go with him and
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  Speaker 3: interact with them and would talk to people. So Nick
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  Speaker 3: was kind of inquisitive about that as well with people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so he's growing up, he's going to school.
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  Speaker 2: People thought, I mean, people like this kid.
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  Speaker 3: They did. I mean, and if you look at the
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  Speaker 3: pictures of it, oh, he looks like an all American,
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  Speaker 3: all American kid, all American kid.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: His friends did say he became fascinated with money, yes,
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  Speaker 3: early on, finances, early on, and that he wanted to
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  Speaker 3: get rich and that was something he wanted, which I
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  Speaker 3: found interesting because he never had to want for anything.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe just the influence of his father was a
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  Speaker 5: successful businessman, and.
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  Speaker 4: Sure you know things you can do with money.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think he probably understood math. I think
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  Speaker 2: he probably understood finance. I think he probably even felt
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  Speaker 2: like he understood it above levels of anyone that he
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  Speaker 2: was engaging with as a teenager. I mean typically when
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  Speaker 2: you see people who because by the way, he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to be a day trader. That's what he wanted and
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  Speaker 2: he knew that being as a teenager. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's because he knew he was good at it, or
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  Speaker 2: at least he thought it was good at it.
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  Speaker 1: He thought he was good at it.
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  Speaker 3: But what I found interesting is he planned to get
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  Speaker 3: rich day trading all was sitting at home in his bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah. The drive to do which is
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  Speaker 1: really interesting.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of people's dream right, well, hey.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, that's a business.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, people do it as a business in a livelihood,
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  Speaker 2: and if you're a good trader and you know how
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  Speaker 2: to make money trading by all means. But again it's like,
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  Speaker 2: did he really understand it. I would really like to
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  Speaker 2: know what his influence.
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  Speaker 1: Was with this?
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  Speaker 2: Was his father into trading as a business owner. I
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  Speaker 2: could see that. I could see how he would use
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  Speaker 2: some of his assets to grow and use them and
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  Speaker 2: use his knowledge.
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  Speaker 5: As we find out, clearly his father must have been
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  Speaker 5: more successful at that then, right.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying, like what was his influence
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  Speaker 2: his dad as a business owner.
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  Speaker 5: But could have been the clientele though as well too
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  Speaker 5: true these it's it is like gambling. So you could
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  Speaker 5: have a lot of high rollers going in this store
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  Speaker 5: that it's a very exclusive, almost exclusive jewelry store. But
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  Speaker 5: they did say, well, not popular, so they probably saw
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  Speaker 5: people like that going in there.
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  Speaker 3: And people with money came in there. So that's what
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  Speaker 3: I wondered, because he would think he would see his
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  Speaker 3: mom and dad who were at the jewelry store all
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  Speaker 3: the time, and they worked hard. They put blood, sweat
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  Speaker 3: and tears into it, Yes they did. It's interesting he
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  Speaker 3: didn't pick up on that piece of the work ethic.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I mean like where did he pick.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I get the impression that these are well off people.
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  Speaker 5: They probably went to the country club there in Austin,
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  Speaker 5: growing up and stuff, and probably being surrounded. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: the neighborhood they lived in I assume was somewhat oh yeah,
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  Speaker 5: more affluent and so yeah, a lot of those seeing
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  Speaker 5: that around you. And there probably was a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people that were day traders. But those people might have
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  Speaker 5: had money in the.
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  Speaker 2: Bank too, and so it can risk those That's what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying, that's typically successful of the market.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Well, but I also wonder because his dad liked
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  Speaker 3: to race cars, that's right. Nick kind of got in
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  Speaker 3: that racing cars is somewhat like gambling.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And it's not a ship that's a rich.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I kind of wonder if it's like.
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  Speaker 4: Owning a plane, you know, it's a personal plane.
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: Chris's dad owned a plane that we could have a
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  Speaker 2: whole podcast about Chris's adventures on the plane or not
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  Speaker 2: on the plane.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, some good plane stories.
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  Speaker 3: There was that TI stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And that's why I don't know what a
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  Speaker 1: plan to this day.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, twoenty sixteen, he meets a girl he's starting
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  Speaker 2: to you know, this is what happens you're teenagers. You
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: start to think girls are cute, and you know, I
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  Speaker 2: also was trying to find in some research, you know,
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  Speaker 2: did he ever have crushes on girls?
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  Speaker 1: Was he known for that?
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  Speaker 3: Did?
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  Speaker 1: Was this his first girlfriend?
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  Speaker 3: Any of that either?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Nowhere did it say he was like a player? Did
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  Speaker 3: he have a bunch of girls? Did he crushed on
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't find anything that anybody talked about that, which
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  Speaker 3: led me to think she was that first because I
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  Speaker 3: think I know with my boys, that.
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  Speaker 4: First girl, he was sitting at home in his robe.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard to meet girls.
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  Speaker 2: When you're well, he well, yeah, I guess girls online.
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  Speaker 2: She ended up being the one who got to see
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  Speaker 2: him in his robe while he was day trading.
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  Speaker 1: Because they end up moving.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, when they meet, she moves in
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  Speaker 2: with the parents. She's not from Austin. She was actually
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  Speaker 2: from Jersey. Parents divorce, father moves to Austin. She goes
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  Speaker 2: with dad, but then starts to say, hey, life at
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  Speaker 2: Dad's is not what I want or what I expected.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, So he's you know, they started dating, hanging out,
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  Speaker 3: and Corey and Ted were like, oh, you know you've
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  Speaker 3: got a rough life things, you're always hanging out here,
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  Speaker 3: why don't you just move in?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So they were open to that and inviting to it,
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  Speaker 2: and so she does. So they are all four living
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  Speaker 2: under the same roof. But then these kids get older,
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  Speaker 2: they finish high school, going to college.
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  Speaker 1: They're going off to.
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  Speaker 2: College, and they go to college Station A and m Area, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: Texas together. But what the parents don't know is that
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  Speaker 2: these two secretly get married.
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  Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, and they moved away to you say, going
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  Speaker 5: to college.
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  Speaker 3: She was, she was.
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  Speaker 1: He was the day trader.
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  Speaker 5: So but I mean out of high school, somebody would
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  Speaker 5: have had to affront.
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  Speaker 4: Him some money.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no, doubt about it.
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  Speaker 4: It never worked, right, And so he.
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  Speaker 2: Borrowed money from his mother. He actually borrowed initially. If
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  Speaker 2: we end up finding out he borrowed money from more people.
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  Speaker 3: Jackie had student loans, yes.
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  Speaker 5: But like initially, I guess they said they were okay
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  Speaker 5: with him just moving away.
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  Speaker 4: Oh you'll be on some day trader.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that he probably had gave
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  Speaker 2: them no other reason to think he wouldn't be successful
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  Speaker 2: at it. And I think is surprise.
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  Speaker 5: Was he going to the guys of actually going to
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  Speaker 5: college and day trading.
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  Speaker 3: Initially house No, I don't think so she was going
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  Speaker 3: to college. It almost sounds to me like the parents
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  Speaker 3: were like, he wants to try this for a year
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  Speaker 3: or so, call it a gap year, call it whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Let him try.
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  Speaker 4: You had to have a little bit of confidence in
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  Speaker 4: that ability.
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  Speaker 3: And if your kid never gives you any reason, yes,
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  Speaker 3: think they're going to do something wrong. I could see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean give him a shot.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if he's never really been a bad kid
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  Speaker 2: and people like him and he's you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to support that, and you have the
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  Speaker 2: funds and money to support that, I mean, who says
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  Speaker 2: he wouldn't have been successful at it, and I think
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  Speaker 2: she would.
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  Speaker 1: They were just giving them a shot.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, college isn't for everyone out of the gate,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe they were pretty liberal on that stance, so
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  Speaker 2: they thought, Okay, our kid can be successful. The dad
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  Speaker 2: was successful running a business, and maybe in the back
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  Speaker 2: of their mind too they thought, well, he at least
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  Speaker 2: would have the jewelry business, right, like, we can bring
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  Speaker 2: him back into the family business.
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  Speaker 5: So there could have been a lot of exhibit some
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: sort of you know, savvy Yeah, right, be able to,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 3: And they were supporting her because she wanted to become
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  Speaker 3: a mechanical engineer. Yeah, she got into A and M.
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  Speaker 3: So of course they had already lived together in the
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  Speaker 3: parents' home. She wasn't going to go off to college
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  Speaker 3: without him. Yeah, so they were also, I think, being
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  Speaker 3: supportive of them as a couple.
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  Speaker 1: But then they get married and they don't tell the parents.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't understand. I tried to research and find
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  Speaker 3: why they kept it a secret. Was it because they
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  Speaker 3: thought the parents would think they were, you know, too young.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't find anything.
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  Speaker 5: You know, to just in this day and age for
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  Speaker 5: two kids to do that too with no real.
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  Speaker 4: There were a reason, you know. I mean you'd see some.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of people that age might get married because
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  Speaker 5: of a pregnancy or something like that, which kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Makes me think, like this is their first real relationship.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like these two kind of dove in.
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  Speaker 4: The atage for both of them to be married.
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  Speaker 1: I don't her.
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  Speaker 5: Because of you know, monetarily, but for him, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: trying to lock that down at nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: That's I think she as a female, I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: her home was that tumultuous, if she was going through
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  Speaker 3: that she saw him as somebody stable, knew he came
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  Speaker 3: from a good family.
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  Speaker 5: Where were his parents paying for her college? Or did
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  Speaker 5: her parents actually I mean it's going to A and M.
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  Speaker 5: That's an expensive stor she had.
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  Speaker 1: Loans loans, yeah, but she got in. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so she was smart. Yeah, she was smart.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm mechanical engineering is not an easy subject to study,
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, I think they saw something in her.
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  Speaker 2: But then that goes to my question what else did
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  Speaker 2: they see in her? And what and did is there
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: something we may not know that happens under roofs that said,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: maybe they weren't very accepting of this relationship. But then
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  Speaker 2: I think to myself, maybe they were just trying to
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  Speaker 2: support their son. But in the background, maybe they weren't
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  Speaker 2: feeling as confident and positive in these two who knows.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Well and you think about it, you know, as parents,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: if I tell my son I don't really like her,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: is it going to push him faster to marry her
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: or do this so you'd be more supportive or.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Was it just simply them living this exciting elopement and
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: the idea that this is our thing. Nobody has to know,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: like I think there's some people who feel that way,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: and I respect that. I know people who've eloped. Now
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: people knew they were eloping, but see in this situation,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: they don't. So I think you have a little bit
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: of uncertainty behind this marriage. A friend of theirs marries them.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Right, Yes, a friend of theirs. So it wasn't a
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: total secret. Yeah, just one person secret from the parents,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: which was interesting. And ask somebody who eloped. Normally you
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: elope for a reason, but I could not find their reason.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, you're very true about is it pregnant?
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: No, I and I can't help. But wonder did she
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: do it for financial security to lock him down?
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Or who who was the driver behind the wedding?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Could have been both of them?
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I mean it could.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: I guess their friend got that little online minister he did.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't think. We've had a lot of friends
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: married that way.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: It's become a.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Thing, an absolute thing. Like I mean, then then when
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: you go to a wedding, you're.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Like, wait, who's marrying you? And you know it's sometimes
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: it is a surprise. Who's who's OFFICI for? I like,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: it's great.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I mean it's like whoa I've known him for forty
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: years and he's marrying as like, I think that's pretty cool.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: So all right, so let's talk about the actual crime.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: March second, twenty eighteen. This is at four point thirty
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: in the morning. They Ted and Corey are sleeping. It's
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, and they hear a noise.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: The dogs start barking.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Dat they're alarm.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Their alarm goes off the dogs. Yeah, exactly, that's exactly Butter.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Thank you Butter for being our alarm system. But they
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: hear something. It startles them enough for Ted to grab
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: his weapon. Yes, and then he makes his way out
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: of the bedroom. Corey, his wife, hears gunshots. Yes, she
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: grabs her weapon, exits the bedroom. I don't does she
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: see anyone at first? It's we know it's dark in
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the house.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: It's dark, she said. She never sees their faces. She
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: does say, because she heard the gunshots. She came out.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: She did see figures and that's why she fired her gun.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: So she did fire with them.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she fires it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: They fired back at her, they.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Sure did, but they didn't hit her and she didn't
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: hear them either. So yeah, she runs back in the room.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she goes to the closet.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Goes to the closet, calls nine to one one and
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: this is transcripted at four forty six am, and she says, quote,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I'm in the closet.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: There were shots fired. Help me.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: And that's when she says, I didn't see the shooters faces,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: but they go to the wrong house, but there's no
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: so she did. So I was we were talking about
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: this earlier. We've seen this in cases either the caller
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: gives the wrong address to deviate and give time because
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: of something they've just done.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Also too, she called from a cell phone and I
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: presume correct, and they can't actually know the address is
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: not tied to that cell phone, correct, if you call
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: nine one one.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: No, they just get the GPA closest to.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Where you are. Yeah, I mean she could have given
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I mean it could have just been next door.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I mean I've looked at GPS and seeing the people
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: across the streets addressed right like it is, it is
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: right next to each other. So they go to the
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: wrong address, so there's a delay, Yeah, like versus.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: An actual home phone that has a yeah, physical address
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: I know, tied to it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Exactly. Yeah, with a.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: Little dial you spend rhetory. But yeah, I mean they
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: can track that specifically.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: To house the house.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that is the biggest caveat with calling from
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: a cell phone, it is.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: But the police did get there in fifteen minutes. I
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: know that sounds like a long time. Guys, It takes
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: a lot longer than that sometimes when they actually know
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: the address in Austin. I mean, no, I believe it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: We're fortunate where we live.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Cops are here in three minutes if you were to
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: call numb on one, because I mean the station's right there.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for us, it's not. I mean, that's why we
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: have a security system and they're there within five minutes,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: because that's what I would take the cops twenty minutes,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: twenty five minutes to get through the.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Gate to Anders and those things.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, So when dispatchers arrive, Corey gets out of the closet,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: she's talking to them. They find ed at the bottom
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: near it, in the kitchen or near the kitchen, bullet
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: holes in the kitchen fixtures. I mean, it looks like
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: a barrage of gunfire has gone off in this home.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: One of the.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Rottweilers, they had two of them. One of them was deceased.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: We know that the dog was shot. We had talked
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: amongst ourselves and said, why not the second dog, And
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I thought maybe it got startled and ran the other direction.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I would assume I didn't. Typically you shoot a dog
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: that's coming at you, So that's my thoughts.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: One was coming, then the shot went off, and the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: other one.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: You'd have to get rid of that second dog eventually.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I know you would think, right, dog runs away, then like.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna say if you came into my house,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: they would go for bow first, because bo would come
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: at him. The minute a gun fired, Bear would be
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: out the back dog door, and he would be hiding
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: somewhere you know would not find him.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, Butter doesn't even like the vacuum cleaner.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: With Jimmy Johns in our house, you bet it would
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: be your best friend, show you where all the good
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: stuff was.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: It's exactly if they came with food.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll show you around where the booties kept, sir
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: or ma'am whoever's robbing.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But what's interesting Ted never got any gun shots off.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And do you think it's just because he didn't see anyone?
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: They just probably got the drop on him.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I think because we learned that there was more than
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: one person, two different guns, I think they got the
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: drop on him.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately he tried to go downstairs and see what
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: that noise was and protect his family, but in the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: meantime he was shot what we know now as two intruders.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: There were two different guns used in this crime. Again Corey,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: his wife was not hit, and they wanted to know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: What happened, tell us what happened.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And of course she's going to call her son who
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: is in college station and tells him about about what's happened. Absolutely,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I mean I would do the same thing, I know,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and yeah, like where you know, can you come you
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: need you?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, your dad.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Has just been killed and him and Jackie leave the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: apartment or were they living in an apartment or a house?
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: They were living in an apartment.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: They were an apartment because I was thinking of their
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: assets when we get to the end of this. I
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: had thought about did they give them a house or
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: gift them not a house, okay, So I was a
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: little curious of that what those assets look like as
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: a young couple.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: They were living in a apartment, So I mean she
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: did call them and they do think it's important to
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: know they had an alarm system. Yes they did, but
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: they didn't set it when they were holy when they
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: were home. They only set it when they were away
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: from the home. And I know a lot of people
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: who do that we used to be guilty of that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Is it because they people just don't want that I
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: can I would assume it's because they just don't want
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: the alarm to accidentally go off when they're at the house.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, what is a beat with the.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Door open, or if your dog set it off, or
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: in my case, my husband's like, you sleepwalk occasionally and
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: you open the door, and you freak me out because
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I think someone just broke in because the alarm goes off.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say there was quite a few
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: times when we had ours, our old one, that I
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: would open the Our new one now works much better,
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: but our old one would you know, it didn't really
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: you couldn't really set zones and things. So I would
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: frequently open the slide glass door and set off on
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: a Saturday morning when I'd forgotten let the dog out
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: or something like that, and then have to do the
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: the phone call of shame as they're calling you.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: They have gotten much better.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. Detectives didn't find any forced entry into
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: the house. All the doors and windows were locked except
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: for one, and that was in Nick's bedroom.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Who no longer lived there, but his parents kept his
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: bedroom intact.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Yes they did.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: And the screen had been removed from the window and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: was propped up on the side of the house.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: So they pulled it out and just set it.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Right, set it down, like you said. They normally did
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: not put the alarm system on, but it is found
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: out later that Nick had the phone app for the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: systems and he had actually accessed the system several times
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: from his apartment in College Station around the time that
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: this happened.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: And all of the checking the system was before his
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: mom called him, so he was checking it beforehand for
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: some reason, maybe just being a good son.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just waking up and thinking you should check that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: And I assume they had a you know, probably a
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: quite robust security system as well, you know, given their
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: affluence and just the nature of work, lots of cameras
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: and things like that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Well, and they also only allowed to one other person
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: besides them as the couple with the system, and that's
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: their son I mean, that's a piece the.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Only person that's the only other person you will I
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: mean they were smart.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't know.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: There's some people who trust other people with some information
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: like that and neighbor. I mean, you never know who
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: who will hand that out for whatever.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Trust say, I have some friends that are that trusting
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: and I give access to it. But yeah, I mean
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I trust my sons, but they do not have access
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: to our security system. I mean, my older one lived
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: in LA Why does he need to know what's going
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: on in my house?
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean, but but I think this helped
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: in this investigation because they didn't have to look very
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: far when they were looking at these records. So, despite
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: the alarm system not being activated, the system did record
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: that the bedroom window opened at four twenty seven am.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: The system also recorded glass breaking in the kitchen at
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: four forty four am, which was the windows. Now we
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: know being shot, the barrage of gunfire going off, and
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: this show that the shooters were in the house seventeen
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: minutes prior to Ted actually being shot.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, and this actually goes.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Along with what the nine to one one call was
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: like with Corey and she made that call at for
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: forty six. So timing is everything. It is time stamps
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: for everything, especially in this case.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: And I wonder because most alarm systems, if they're off,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: do not record no glass breaking. So it tells you
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: they had a very robust security seale.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I mean to no glass broke, I was, I mean,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I was a little bit turned off.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: It does not it's all it's off. Yeah, that's the
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: whole reason you turn it off.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so interesting?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: All right, so security videos also detected. We're also deleted. Okay,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: so yes, some some videos right, were deleted, and I
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: assume I'm gonna let you take this one.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I think that's why he was on the app, because
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: he could go in and delete the videos. So when
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I saw that, I went on to our app and
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I looked, I can go in and delete the videos
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: as they happen.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you think it would have been wiser to maybe
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: disable the camera or something just overall, right, I mean,
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: it's still it shows something, but I think that's less
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: of a he must have a footprint, you would lead
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: to cover tracks.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He just did not think about this
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: He didn't and that makes me wonder, like.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: At all.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Potentially why the day trading didn't never pan out.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: But that's a whole other that's true.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Show Show there's your sign right there.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Ted has pronounced dead Chris at five fourteen am. The
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Travis County Medical Examiner said he died from multiple gunshot wounds,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: including one to the head. Now he drives down, he's
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: with his parents at this point. Now we were talking
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Terry about him going and looking at his window on
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: where his bedroom is, right the one where the screen
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: was removed. Now, I was reading that some believed that
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: he was trying to listen in and see what investigators
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: are saying inside and what they thought.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that?
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: And by the way, police note this, right, they see
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: him kind of like scouring around the area where they
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: believe the people had gained access to the home, and.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: He points it out before anybody says anything to him.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: So crazy, He's like, oh, they must have gone in
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: through my room kind of thing.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess there was some suspicion, Like he said
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: that he had maybe overheard chatter of how the the
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: suspects game entrance to the home.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Now, the thing that was also interesting that police noted,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: They said he was a little emotional at first, which
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: is good, and he asked did he suffer?
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that's an odd statement.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I found that odd because he was shot. What do
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: you think.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: At this point? Though?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he knew, So I was thinking, Okay, maybe
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: he doesn't know, but he does know. The mother has
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: already made the phone call. He's already on the scene.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: He already knows what has happened to his dad because.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: He gets there like eight and they announced him dead
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: at like five somethings.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so but he knows.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sure his mother's like, your father's been shot, right,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: he knows there's gunfire. It's a very interesting question to ask.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: That's not the first question. No, I would have asked.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and knowing that you've talked to your mother already
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: about and investigators aren't even gonna know that really, right,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Like what are they gonna how are they going to
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: know about?
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: It's gunshots?
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Of course, he suffered, Like it is a very strange,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: strange question.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you were going to ask that question,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I would have thought you would ask the paramedics.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, why ask the police that question?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Makes no sense. They're not going to be able to
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: because they're going.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: To because I mean, he was shot multiple times, yes
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: he was, you know, so maybe he didn't die with
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: the first shot. So I that's just not the question
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: that would come to my mind. I never try to
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: say how people are going to act, I know, but
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: that question isn't one that would pop in my mind.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's not an emphatic question. It doesn't offer
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: any sort of I don't I don't know. I mean
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: maybe some people would say like, oh, I didn't want
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: them to suffer, so I hope they didn't. But that
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: again comes seems like at a later time, not when
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: they're immediately on the scene looking into this.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Right, I would have been more wanting to console my mom.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, That's what I mean. It is is he's
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: kind of more concerned with this window and being in
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: this area than he is really being.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Demeanor's very telling. I think this instance.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: And then the more interesting thing the detectives say then
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: kept wondering away from the police because press had arrived. Yes,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: they liked talking to the press, and Jackie liked talking
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: to the press, which to me is another tell.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that is odd because that to me is drawing.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: You know, once again, not the smartest. You know, these
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: aren't the smartest of criminals, and so you know, to
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: draw attention.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Well, then they start lying very quickly, like the son
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and myths, Like he tells them he had a great
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: relationship with his parents and he loved his dad and
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: you know, and they also tell them that.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: They weren't that they didn't revealed they were married.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Well that's well, that's right.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: But he also tall them that he hadn't been in
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: his parents' house at all, and I think in like
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: over a month. And they end up once they start
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: pulling his records, they realize.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: It's a host of host of lives, a host of lies. Right,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: So he's they don't know they're married.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Now he's telling police he hasn't been in to see
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: his parents in over a month. But then they find
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: out from phone records he actually was in the area.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Not just in the area, but he was in the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: area two date. What do we always say, what was
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: going on twenty four to forty eight hours before we
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: have a victim, Well, he's just there two days prior
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: to this shooting.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Terry.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: The fact that people think there's not traces of that nowadays.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: It amazes me.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, never carry your cell phone if you're going to.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Commit a crime.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: He didn't think of any of the digital Yeah. Yeah,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: we've covered cases.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: With burners, and let me tell you they're unsolved cases exactly.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: They're unsolved and burner phones were used and you can't
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: find them. I mean, it makes it very difficult. We're
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: not offering any advice, by the way. All right, so
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: there were nine forty caliber handgun Casey, you just said,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: that's okay, You've done it a few times at our
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: live show too.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: We're found near Ted's body.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: During the search of the house, they also find an
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: empty box of forty caliber in the dresser drawer in
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the bedroom next to the window. Corey informed them that
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the bedroom belonged to Nick. They also find three eighty
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: caliber casings. So we've already said this, we have two
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: guns here. We now have two killers here. Police identify
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: that pretty pretty quickly. Well, yeah, go for it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Say there was four guns. If we count Ted and
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Corey's there, we go yep. That none of those casings
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: were from Corey's and we know Ted didn't get any
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: shots off.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and Corey had a revolver to sell our
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: casings where there present large caliber revolver as well.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, coy, way to go, Corey. Yeah, when you
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: need it, it's there. So all right, So let's talk
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: about what happens after this crime. Jackie and him continue
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: their relationship, but then something very interesting happens. Okay, I'm
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: going to go to you on this because this is
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: something you know, we know that people don't want to
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: believe that people they love care about people who have
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: raised them, they have relationship with, that they could be
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: responsible for anything like this. Correct, Mother, lets Nick and
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Jackie move in with her after Ted dies?
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Correct? Which makes sense, total sense, because Mom, I mean
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to stay in the house alone where
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: this just happened. And you were shot at, right, you
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: were shot at What if they come back?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Plus you saw your husband deceased on the floor. Yeah,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: and you know she found out they were married, you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: sharing this time, so she couldn't just say, oh, why
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: doesn't my son come here? He can day trade, she
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: can stay in college.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: They both move in with her, Yes.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: And I agree with you. I think from like a
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: woman's perspective of if I have. You want that comfort there,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: You don't want to be alone. She's not even sure
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: if she was a target. She's she's shot at, so
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: she can only assume that they were after both of them.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: So I understand her thoughts.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, and they all had gone to the police
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: station given, I mean, Nick and Jackie were in college station. Yes,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: you know, it took them time to get there. So
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: why would you think.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: You know, they were involved.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: You want them to be there to comfort you. And
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: they gave video interviews, they turned over their phones and
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: stuff to police. So I am totally understanding that she
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: didn't think that they could possibly be involved, because in
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: the beginning, why would she?
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well they're cooperating.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: They're cooperating.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they all be even together. They're all living together.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: And the jewelry store that they had opened, he's going
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: to start running this, Yeah, that's the plan. So Ted
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: is now gone. Corey is going to have her son
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: run this jewelry store. And he starts going and talking
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: to other businesses right around their dad where his dad
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: used to go in and have those conversations, and he says, hey,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I'm here now I'm going to be running the business,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: and he seems very excited about it.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: He did, And I mean they even posted on their
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Facebook page announcing that he was going to be taken over,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: and there's so many comments people saying, oh, that's great,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: I remember Nick being there when he was young and stuff.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: So everybody was excited that they were going to that
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Nick was going to step in and continue.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Well in That also goes to show you how the
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: community viewed them, like he wasn't the bad kid who
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: wasn't following in his father's footsteps and wasn't going to
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: turn out like his dad. He was very much involved
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: in the family business, very much involved and admired his father,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: or so it seemed trouble, never.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Much trouble, because even to to make that statement like right,
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: you know, the kid had to have some sort of
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: knowledge about how the business ran. You don't just grab
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: somebody and yeah just because they're family and say you're
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: going to run take over the business. Yeah, yeah, especially
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: as successful business like that.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Right. And and Nick did go to the other stores
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: to you know, tell him, which shows that he was
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: doing what his dad had done and what he was taught,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: and he let him know, we're going to have a
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: reopening because they were trying to put something positive out there.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I'm sure, Yeah, after doing that and let people know
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: because that was their sole livelihood.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Well, and on the back end, you you still have
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: a deceased man found on his floor, and they're trying
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: to figure out and solve this crime because right now
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: there's no there's no one arrested, there's nobody being held
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: accountable for this. So on the back end, the investigators
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: are looking into what has happened.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Well, of course they're jewelers.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: So the first thing they think is we and even
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Corey felt this way that they were being they were
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: going to be targeted because they were jewelers and probably
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: have money and jewelry on their person at their home.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean, because you think about it, they probably
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: if you leave the jelry store late at night and
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: you have cash, you don't go to the bank, take
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: it home, and you're going to drop it off the
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: next day. It made perfect sense.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect sense.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: And so they look at this, but what they realize
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: is really, what's going on in the house does not
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: point to robbery.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: You don't have you know, typically you.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Want to find especially if they know at this point
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: that they're were at least seventeen minutes of time spent
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: in this house before they encounter ted. They're looking for something,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: So why aren't you flipping lights on? Why aren't you
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: you know, there's no lights on. It's very dark. Member
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: she says, she doesn't even really see anything, and they
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: didn't take anything, and they didn't take anything, and it's
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: like what, So I think they pretty I'm gonna say,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: they probably didn't spend too much time on this robbery.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what they thought at first, but
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: then once they start looking up this crime scene, they
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: quickly realized that this is probably not what is happening.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I still I still think though, like
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: you said, he's a jewelry, he could have even though
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: I mean a person that's going to get very expensive items,
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: you know, in coming to rob someone for a very
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: specific thing, like I said, such as diamonds or gold
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: or jewelry, I mean I think that's I still mean,
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: we discussed it earlier.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: But somewhat plausible.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, you share the way they gain access to
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: you know, and the alarming off obviously when they see
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: those things, they can maybe see it's an inside job,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: which they did think, but not having the lights on
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: and not things seems that taken. I think that would
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: be probably the same as somebody was going there and
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: to rob someone of like I said, jewels.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't have time.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: They want, you know, a traceable stone that's worth versus
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: a ming vas.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Right, right, But like you said about inside job, I
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: think that's why they initially you've got to look at
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: the people closest. So you look at Corey because because
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: she survives, she survives because even in.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Some way too like he could have if he had
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: known about something like that, you know, robbed his own family.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: I mean there's a you know, the.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Very good movie was very similar plotline than before The
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Devil knows You're dead. That's the family is is the
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: one responsible for trying to rob his family's guns, you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: jewelry store. Sorry, and you know, bad things happen.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And it makes sense. Cory's in the house. She survived,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: She survived, she didn't give the address. She tried it,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: and there was no fourth century into this house. Remember, Yeah, listen,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: this happens a lot. We have covered lots of cases
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: that women survive or man survives and we find out
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: it was they were supposed to both die, right, which
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: is really what was supposed to happen. Corey was not
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: supposed to survive this. But they also look into her
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: because she cashes the life insurance policy. She does, and
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: she fired the gun, but she didn't hit anybody.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: That's right, That's right she did. And they're like, Okay,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: why do you need this money? Well, I mean, you
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: know your husband. My husband is now gone, and I
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: have a business to support. I have a home to
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: pay for funeral to pay a funeral to pay.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: Oh you did mention the cash that they had on
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: the hand where they could afford those bills. I mean
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: I could see where they was. I mean, I'm I'm
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: like you, Yes, you need to get that money the fast,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: get that ball rolling to try to yes, as lenked
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: as that takes.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Well, first, once you have to have a death certificate,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: you can't get paid. And you have the death certificate,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: which you have.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: To They probably did have the cash on hand to
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: cover most of those costs initially.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: However, but it takes some time the process.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: No, That's why, I mean, that's why I think it's
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: two ways to look at it because I mean, I
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: think that's the most natural instinct to do. But I
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: can see where somebody initially might be like, oh, trying
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: to cash in, you know that before the body's gone.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Cold, you know.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you have a car wreck, you need to
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: report it immediately. If your house has an issue, you
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: report it immediately. Someone dies, don't you report it to
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Just to me, that makes common.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Total sense to me too.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: But they do look at this, you know, I know that,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: but there is some Sometimes there are bad people who
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: are involved in these things.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: You try to cash out very quickly.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, Corey had interviewed with the police multiple times,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: but that last time she met with him, she did
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: what I I tell people, take an attorney.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yes she did, which you always do.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: That, I mean from the beginning you should. But she
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: didn't do it until she got frustrated because she was like,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: why are you looking at me? I'm innocent? Yeah, But
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: little did she know that detectives had information that they
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: couldn't tell her.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, what was that tell us?
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: So they discovered that Nick and Jackie were in huge
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: finance or level.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not just looking into her, they're looking at
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: who else would have the motive.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: To take ted out right, Well, and this young couple
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: owes some money.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: They do, and Nick told on the day his dad
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: was killed, he told the detectives that he owed his
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: mother thirty thousand dollars. Why would you say that right
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: off the bat. I mean, think about it. If my
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: dad had just been killed, I'm not thinking about the
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: money that I owe my mom.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we talk about this, right. Why do people.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Offer up statements when they're not asked a question about
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: that statement.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: And it's typically leading. They're either wanting to lead them
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: in a different direction, They're trying to lead and detach
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: themselves somehow. But he just says this.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: He does, and then he also tells them, oh, and
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: my mom and I argued, yeah about this because I
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: hadn't paid her back.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: So he's offering up information to police, which you know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if the thinking is
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: that he's going to lead them, how does that lead
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: him away from that?
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: From him? Like, that's what I know and understand about
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: his statements.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: My only thought is he's like, oh, well, if I
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: just tell him now, I'm not hiding. No, get it
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: out of the way. They'll know I wasn't involved.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I think you're right about that. Just be overly forthcoming
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: and they won't ask you, which is why you get.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: A lawyer's exact people like us who you know, look
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: into stuff like this or like, yeah, you don't say
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: anything that you're not asked.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it's kind of unbelievable sometimes what people
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: and they want to be closer to the investigation, right,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: and they want to So if I'm just I'm if
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I hand over my phone no matter, no matter what
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: is on my phone, if I hand it over and
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I'm forthcoming about information, maybe they'll look a different direction.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: But they don't.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: They start honing in on this couple because they also
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: find out that not only does he owe money to
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: his mom, but he owes money to a neighbor, and
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: that neighbor actually will come forward and say that they
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: were going to tell the parents about the money that
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Nick owed them. And so to me, it's like, is
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: this the only person in neighbor worth thinking at least now?
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Right? How many more people.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Do they owe?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Do they owe? And what does that really look like?
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: So they start looking into this couple, Oh.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: They do, and then they find out they have two
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: dollars each of them in their bank account.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they like snapchat this or like take a
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: screenshot of this and send it as.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: A text message to someone to I don't know. It's
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: just very strange.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: It did say only you know I'm broke. Why I
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: think back, I mean, college kids are broke. They're broke,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: they are broke. You're used to being broke, right, But
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Nick put on the airs that he was a successful
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: day trader. So that makes it even more interesting to
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: me that you would that she sent a text saying
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: only you know I'm broke.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. And you know it's because I
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: feel like when.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing, I always say, we never know
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: what happens behind closed doors, what kind of conversations are had,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: you know. I think from Corey's actions, she definitely did
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: not see her son as a as a low life
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: or someone that was not contributing to society, or someone
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: she didn't trust it because she lets them move in,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: So that tells me that there isn't that she felt
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: comfortable enough to allow them to down, you know. But
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: then you have to think, why, at this age, at
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: nineteen years old, are you thinking so much about this
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: type of money, about being rich, about not having enough,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: about knowing you're a struggling college student, one of you
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: and the other one who's trying to make a living
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: doing day trading, and that sometimes you and it's that
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: adult thing. I think that kids at nineteen don't quite
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: have right that you process the fact that sometimes you
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: win and sometimes you lose, correct, and it's a part
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: of the game.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: But they don't.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: They're not educated enough. It seems like they're not prepped
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: enough for disappointment of life. And it's like, ope, we
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: owe people money and that's what is important to us,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: that we're financially stable, that oh, no, we're going to
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: be exposed, right, we're now going to be exposed, and
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: what actions are we willing to take to cover up
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: that exposure? And police are onto this and they think
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: these two conspire and hire two people to kill them.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: And what's interesting, they were more worried about the perception
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: people had about them exactly. And that's the part that
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: it's so shocking. But like you said, they're just not
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: old enough to understand yeah this and they were more
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: worried about what people thought instead of real things. But
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I also find interesting that they didn't delete those text
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: messages before they offered their phones up. They didn't delete
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: anything like really no, I mean police still could get them,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: but they didn't even attempt to delete them because they
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: found conversations that said they were trying to hire a
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: hit man.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and gosh, just leave that train. How many?
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: How many cases have we covered on our shows that
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: have to do with multiple people being asked to commit
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: a crime and none of them, not one of them,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: picks up a phone, calls police and says, you know what,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I'm being asked to murder someone and you might want
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: to know.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: About this, and I don't. I mean, I get people
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: don't want to get involved, or maybe they think I've
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: got something. I've got skeletons in my closet that's going
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: to open up a Pandora box. But we're talking about
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: life or death. Somebody's wanting you to kill somebody.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Well, and the first one we know about is the
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: guy Spencer who married them. Yes, And I mean you
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: have you think to yourself with Spencer, maybe he was
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: like a pretty logical guy. I mean maybe, but he
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: comes forward and says that he would have received two
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: million dollars if you've helped kill his parents.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And and we find out they asked multiple people,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: and that's.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Offering different sums of money, like the fifth Some were
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: fifty thousand, some were in the million, some were a
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: couple hundred thousand dollars.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were just they're desperate.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: They were desperate, and they didn't care how much it costs,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: and they just wanted to find And I say they
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: because you know, we'll get into the conspiracy aspect of this,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: but they're going to come to find out that Jackie
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't so innocent in some of these conversations.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: The text messages we find are between Jackie and Nick.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: That's right, And I mean, what's interesting The police were like, Okay,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: we know Corey's not involved. I personally think they were
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: still questioning her. Oh I think so too, just for
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: information because they already knew and suspected that Nick and
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Jackie were involved, and they were just doing their due
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: diligence on that. But yeah, we're going to find out
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Jackie was much more involved. But going back to talking
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: about Corey, she then realized, Okay, they're not looking at
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: me anymore. She didn't know what the police had, but
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: she begin to feel that they were targeting Nick. Yeah,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: so she did what any mother would do. She hired
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: him an attorney because she was confident that her son
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: was not involved, and she thought they were just taking
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: the easy way.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not wanting to do an investigation. And hey,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: which sometimes happens. It does, and it's easy just depended
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: on someone on the inside, because people want a case
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: like this sl This is a millionaire family who owned
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: business owners in Austin, and police want these kinds of
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: casessault that you want the community to feel a sense
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: of safety and knowing that this person is off the street.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: But sometimes it takes just when sometimes you get tunnel vision,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: you do and you hone in on what seems to
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: make the most sense, which was her in the beginning.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: But now that they've done their thinking, you know what,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: she's not the one who owes all these people money,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: and she's really you know, who is going to have
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: the motive and the benefit of Ted being gone. And
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: you know, it's also interesting because we do know that
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: this is exactly what happens. They end up hiring two
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: people who end up saying yes to his crime, but.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: They did it. You know, it's interesting, Terry, because sometimes
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: you hear about this and you hear that he wanted
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the business right, or he wanted the family business, so
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: he was ready. But that doesn't seem to be the case.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Wanted the money.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: He just wanted the money. He didn't want the hard work,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: he didn't want what his dad had built. It wasn't
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: about any sort of like it, living up to expectations.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Wanted the money.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: He wanted the money and the image. And so I
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: found that. I found that pretty interesting.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, I do say it's great that Spencer said no,
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: yes he did, didn't pick up the phone and call
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: anybody and prevent the death, but he does later work
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: with the police.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm like, you redeemed yourself a.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Little bit there.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he ends up becoming like an informant for them,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: right and having conversations.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Kuld have prevented Ted's death.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, think about that. That's why if you see something,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: you hear something, just say something to just call.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: It's better to be wrong than to be right and
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: not make that call. Right. Just make the call and
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: you can do it anonymously.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: You don't have to tell them your Nate, you don't
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: have to say tell them anything. Just tell them you
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: have a lead.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Especially in cases like this, police don't care.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: They just want I want to know the information. Let
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: them investigate it, let them figure it out.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: But give them. But he should have.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Should have all of them should have because just think
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: two people could have been killed if Corey would have
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: died too. I know these people would have two deaths.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: On them and I you know, it's a scary thing
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: to think though, knowing when Corey looks back on this
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: and she says, Wow, my son and his wife were
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: hiring people to kill us, and I allowed them to
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: move in with me after this was over.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: And you, I am you know, do we know anything?
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Did you find anything in your research about any of
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: the conversations after Ted's death between Jackie and Nick?
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Because I would be thinking, oh, wait, we didn't get
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: the money. Mom is still alive, and what are we
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: going to do now. I wonder if they would not
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: have been investigated like they were, if eventually he would
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: have come, if he would have gone through with it
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: and had his mother killed.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Well, and that makes me wonder. I mean, yes, he
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: took over the business, so He's like, that's one step closer.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: So the money, but it's not the life insurance that
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: he would have gotten if both of them. So I,
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: in my opinion and what I've seen happen, it was
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: basically going to just by time they would have eventually
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: needed all of it. Yeah, but I mean Corey protected
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: him and got an attorney, and she didn't believe it
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: until they finally showed her evidence.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: So they look into a couple of people right now
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: that they know that there's murder for hire happening. They
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: end up finding a guy by name of Johnny Leone
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: the third. So we actually know because there was video surveillance.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: So I was trying to understand this in my research.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: So there he brought them to the house, right, Nick
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: showed the layout he did to the hit man.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: You wanted to make sure they were prepared. Yeah, they
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: knew where to go, how to get in, how to
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: remove because if you think about screens, normally you pull
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: the screen from the inside yep, and set it out.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: You can't pull the screen from the outside, So that
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: means probably during that visit when he showed him around,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: he lifted the screen up and put it where they
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: could pull it from the outside.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not crazy.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: The other thing that we're going to find about Jackie
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: later on, but the text messages between Nick and Jackie,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: she was wanting to know why it was taking so long? Yes,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: how much was it going to cost? We don't have
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: the money up front? We need to do this. And
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: I find that very interesting yep, because of the hell
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: it all plays out.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they both showed active participation, and this at
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: least from the digital footprint of what police were looking at.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: So they end up finding another man. I believe you
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: pronounce this Arian Smith. That's how I'm going to pronounce it.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: And this person actually was from Fort Worth. So they
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: end up just and this is so leon Tell's detectives
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: that he asked Smith to take part for five thousand
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: dollars a month. So this was going he was going
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: to get five thousand dollars for a month. But like
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: you were talking about earlier, when does that stop?
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: Ye?
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Is that one time is a perpetual yeah?
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Forever? Is it a lifetime annuity?
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you have an annuity to twenty years. You know.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: It's like none of this conversation really takes place or
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: how long. But again they're like just I think, just
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: trying to pull any string they can to make this happen.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I mean they were nineteen, yeah, nineteen, nineteen.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Years old, So you see the sporadic with the number,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: and it's just it's very amateur, very amateur like.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: All right. So during questioning, Smith and I taking part
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: in the murder, but he soon confessed his involvement and
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: said that he was the one who had used the
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: forty caliber weapon to shoot and kill ted. He also
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: told detectives to give him the death penalty. He said,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I've killed somebody I deserve to die. We see this too,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: people say I did it kill me?
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: I think it kills yeah, I truly think and we
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: hear this in some of the cases. They didn't think
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: it was going to weigh on them taking someone's life.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: They don't realize that it's going to be there. So
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: I do find that, you know, at least they say
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: I deserve punishment.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it haunts them.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, our souls and our conscious is there for
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: a reason. And the good it goes with the good,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: but it also goes with the bad. So you know,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: when people say they live with the things they've done.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: That's truly what it means you your body literally is
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: affected by those things that keeps you up at night.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: And so guilt is a thing.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: It is the saying and you.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: So he's feeling it, and it's there. And by this time,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: now they have suspects and now they're really worried about Corey.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Oh who are they going to.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Is she gonna believe them too? Right?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Like, gosh, you have this woman who moved them in,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: and now you know they've hired hitman. You're concerned about
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: her well being because she's still in the house and
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: as far as you know, she was supposed to be
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: a victim as well.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Did they hire someone else because they asked multiple people. Yeah,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: did they call the day after so that they could
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: fake another burglary?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to finish it out, finish it out. So they
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: quickly quickly arrest this couple, yes, thankfully, thankfully. So they
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: end up getting arrested, and Nick bale Is said at
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: three million dollars, hers Is said at one million dollars.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a lot, but it's murder and its conspiracy
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: to higher murder, so.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: I is, but I still think they were married. They
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: were a couple. They discussed it. It should be the same.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but they aren't treated the same.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: I mean they wind up reducing her bond to two
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, they did, and then they end up actually, she
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: ends up wanting to comply and work with investigators and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: tell them, you know, her side right of what happened.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because Corey still believed I was innocent
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: until she read the arrest affidated. Yeah, that's when she
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: was like, holy shit.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: You hear well you see it all?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's all you know. Now you see the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: investigation on paper.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: And you move them into your house.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: You were sheltering them.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: When this whole time you have no idea if they
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: were plotting your demise. I mean, imagine they killed your husband. Yeah,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: and the fear already she had of being alone after
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: losing him, and then you move the killers in. I mean,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: that's what's so correct, or the hired you know, the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: brains behind the operation.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: You move them in.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: How do you not start questioning how could I have
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: let that happen? How did I not know? I mean
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: I would begin questioning myself, how did I not have
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: any I'm sure she did.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of guilt and shame that go with
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: that too. There would have to be, you know, I mean,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: just like, what is my judgment right?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: And what's wrong with me?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: So why didn't I see this to save him? Right?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: You know type of thing? But gosh, we could we
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: just we can do that to ourselves. But I hope Corey.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: I know she ended up probably leaving Texas and she
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: started a new life for herself.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: And from research I found found a couple articles she
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: changed her name. Well, and for her.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: I can't blame her, No, I.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Mean I can't. She I will still say she shows
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: some strength even as this goes on in some compassion.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now his charges are actually upgraded, yes, to capital murder.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: The two hit men were also charged with capital murder.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: All three were facing the death penalty in this case. Now,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: the DA at the time said he was not interested
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: in plea deals. He was going to move forward and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: go to trial with these and because the evidence was
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: against her was weaker and as there was like no
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: direct contact between herself and the actual killers, that was
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: sort of nick thing. Jackie was charged with conspiracy to
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: commit capital murder, which carried a life sentence. Yes, but
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: we know that changes.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Welcome to a new district attorney.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so new DA comes on board. And in
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: April twenty twenty one, Johnny Leon and Arion Smith were
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: each sentenced to thirty five years with the possibility of
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: parole after they pled guilty to murder, dropping the charges
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: down from capital murder. I mean, I feel like these
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: are significant changes.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Those are significant changes.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm in we're not done yet. Corey wrote
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: to Nick the encouraging him to accept the deal, and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: at this point she's like still interacting with him, and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: she wants him to have a chance at life. That's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: the only thing I can think as a mother.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was because he would be eligible for
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: parole when he's around thirty six.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I much is so young. It's am crazy
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: to think about that.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: She had to just be hoping that he would rehabilitate, rehabilitate,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: come out and make amends and be a better person.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know that one, Gas said as a mom,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: It's it's tough.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think there's probably a lot of
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: sympathy and empathy for him and and the way he
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: started life and then giving him what, you know, love
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: and unconditional love, and yeah, sometimes unconditional love is you know,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a it's a thing you carry
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: and and you don't you know, it's very tearing for
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: a mother. You know, you love your husband, but now
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: he's no longer here, but now he your son is here,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: And how can you move forward with forgiveness, with feeling
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: good about this terrible thing that has happened to your life?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: And that's really the only thing I can come up
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: with with the situation with her.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: That or she didn't want to feel responsible if her
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: son was executed, because then she would have had to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: say to some.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Degree, yeah, yeah, to do that. It's a hard thing,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: I just hope I never have to be in that
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: situation because I don't know. Now, are you to tell
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: us about Jackie?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Well, she pled guilty to conspiracy to commit capital murder
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: by terror thread or other felony, so that's exactly what
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: they charged her with. She was sentenced to one hundred
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: and twenty days plus two and ten years probation. So
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: she gets one hundred and twenty days for this conspiracy
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: to commit capital murder, and she spends two days in
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: jail on the anniversary of Ted's murder. So she goes
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: and turns herself in for two days and spends two
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: days in prison, which to me would be more of
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: a halfway house because you're you go in and you're released, right.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: And then she is on ten year probation. Now, if
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: she breaks this probation or violation of probation, she's going
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: to serve twenty years in prison.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if she doesn't break probation, that's right, it's
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: not a conviction on her record, that's right.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: They're deferred. It's deferred because she basically helped them once
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: she was going to be once she was going to
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: be indicted by a grand jury. So she says, hey,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: she turned on it. Let me tell you what I know.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: And sometimes they have to make these kind of deals
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: with the devil when they're dealing with some of these cases. Right,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: and again, it's like, how did the DA feel about
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: this case if they prosecuted it and brought to jury
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: in trial, did they think they wouldn't get a conviction
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: or was there something trying? Why the plea deal new
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: right a new DA right.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: So it's a way.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: I just want to get it off. Yeah, it's a win.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: You just want to be done with it and move forward.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't cost the state any money, that's.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Right, because it's expensive to take people to try it
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: and pull these out for a long period anytime.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Think about the time in twenty twenty two, I mean
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: COVID it happens states were behind, oh, because everything got delayed.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: So I think a lot of things played into it.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too, And you know, sometimes it just
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: turns out this way and the conspirator or you got
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: a sweet deal.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, and again, these are nineteen year old kids.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: We're talking about it. And I try to remember this
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: because mindset does have a lot to do with decision making,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: especially when you're young like this and she you know,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: maybe a part of even Corey and the idea that
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: they can have, and maybe even the justice system. I
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: mean I have covered cases where police have said, you know,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: this shouldn't.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Ruin in their lives.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, these this is real statements that come from police,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: and you know, do they sometimes base these adolescents and
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: these adult decisions they make and think, hmm, bad, bad judgment,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: you know, temporary lapse of judgment here, but their records
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: have shown they've been good people otherwise, And so are
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: we doing a disservice putting them in jail forever, you know,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: rather than giving them a second chance. And I think
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: this is a constant battle we feel with this justice system,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: which because we try to be fair, right.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: And I agree, it's hard and I'm so glad I'm
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: not having to make that decision, I know, because that
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: would be hard, because You're right, they made this decision.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: Their brains aren't fully developed.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: They're not and they don't well just like his you know,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: his lack of experience in day treading what he thought
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: he knew, he didn't know so well, right, And so
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I think you you're dealing with with very but but
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: very adult mindset thinking in my opinion, to even go
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: there in the first place and think this as you're out,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: and I would even I hope that they've looked at
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Nick and I've hoped they've done some you know, test
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: or had some conversation psychiatrist. And to think, why would
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: a good kid who was raised by a really good
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: family suddenly do this? Because this happens a lot, it
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: does Nick isn't the only person to do something like
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: this as as a teenager.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: And you know, was it the money?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Was it the necessity to have everything but not know
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: how to work for it? Because maybe that part of
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: being instilled in him didn't quite get there. It was
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: just how do I get it?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: He wanted to skip all of that, That's what I
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: mean that his parents did.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Hey, he wouldn't be the first.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: One felt entitled to it to some degree, he did,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: and he wanted to skip everything and he didn't want
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: to wait until he was thirty or forty to get
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: it from his parents.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Well, he regrets what he does, and he accepts responsibility
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: for you know, for their murder. Like you said, he
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: accepted a deal in at thirty six years old, which
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: will be half of the sentence, the thirty five years.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: At seventeen and a half years, he will be eligible
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: for parole. So we'll see what happens, whether they give
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: it to him or if he has to then spend
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: the next seventeen and a half years in prison.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of it's going to depends on
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: what he does with this time in jail.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Why is in prison?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: What does he do I wonder if so.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I know that we know that Corey left Texas, remarried,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: change her name. Yes, do we know if she still
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: has contact with Nick?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: So my understanding from the research I did, he still
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: mells her letters, okay and stuff, but she doesn't respond
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: respond to him.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: So that's interesting.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: So her view, you know, I you know, she tells
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: him take the plea give yourself a fighting chance. Yes,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: but now I have to realize what we're done was
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: done and I'm going now to then.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: You know, good for her it is?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: I mean I think it's healing, and I think it
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: brings her back. It does having to talk to him.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: And I don't know how that how good that is
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: for healing for her?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: I don't. And then I mean she was asked does
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: she love her son? And she said she loves the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: boy that she raised and she knew, yeah, he's no
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: longer that person. Yeah, And I mean setting those boundaries
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: have got to be hard. But she's also got to
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: do what's best for her.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, she was stuck by him the whole time.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, and having to separate that all of a
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: sudden wanted her dad. No, I mean, yeah, I can't imagine. So, yeah,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: so they are.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Jackie is doing her did her one twenty days, right,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: so that's over. She then turns herself in on Ted's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: anniversary and Spencers, I don't know if I've ever heard
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: of that part of a conviction, that they turned themselves
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: in on the anniversary. That is a special circumstance. I
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: would assume that was with the plea interesting.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: I yeah, I'm not sure. My thought is they think
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: she has to relive what she did every two years.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: She just can't go on and forget.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. I would say that was I've
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: just never seen it.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: I've not seen it. I've heard of it one time
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: in a DWI case years ago.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: And probation and having to go in and see that.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, but I've never heard it.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: I have this situation, But I think you're right, it's
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: just a kind of a reminder of what happened. And yeah,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: now not being able to let that go.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Corey, you know, wanted Nick to take the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: plea deal. She was not happy with what Jackie got.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: No, she wasn't. She considered it a very light sentence compared.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: To one hundred and twenty days.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and did she offer that much information that they
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: already didn't have.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: I say that was another thought of mine. You had
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: the digital footpressure.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: And you had the notes between them. You want to
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: know why it wasn't happening faster.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know what did you need from her or what?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: And that, See, that tells me they were worried, maybe
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: worried about taking this to trial. Like this kind of
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: makes me think they needed.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: Her, They needed her, but they never tell us what
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: they got from her.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: It's like there to me though, to offer only that
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: sentence and to need her bad enough to get him
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: even that medial, there was something missing.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something missing.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: And is it because a jury looks at him? Because
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: I told you, I look, we saw a picture of
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: these kids. They look like they just walked out of
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Highland Park home coming, right, I mean they don't they
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: look like our neighbors. I mean, these these are these
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: are educated kids. These are kids who who I think,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: at least for him, came up in a good upbringing.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: But but she wasn't. I mean, she had a decent
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say she had a decent upbringing.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Didn't read anything that she I mean, she was.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Going to college, she got into a and m I
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: mean she was doing well for herself.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to know.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah why Yeah, they needed her for something and and
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: that tells this kind of sentence. That's what it screams
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: to me, is they really needed her to.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: Talk that or my other thought on that is she's
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: very good at manipulating people.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you don't but you how do you
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: manipulate yourself into it? Like they had to come with
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: that data they believe she said anything, right, We're going
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: to give you this if you cooperate, if you cooperate
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: with us.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: And she just confirmed everything they had against so that
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: was Yeah, she must have been able to say, fill
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: in the gaps for them that were missing from the.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Digital and a doubt about it. I mean they need that.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: You don't see this, yeah, because that's.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Especially when you have the digital footprint, the engagement and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: the interaction about this crime.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Right, So I don't know.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: And then you have the friend Spencer that's right, who
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: is an informant.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, two kids who you know, Yeah, they were starting
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: their lives and unfortunately money, greed, image image, you know,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: it's I don't know, it's it's kind of mind boggling
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit when you think of crimes like this
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: and what motivated this young man who's fit, who basically
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: was rescued from the Soviet Union to come and live
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: in America and be raised by a wealthy family and
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: gave you everything you know and raised you with love
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: and care, and and you went around with your father
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: and you enjoyed him, and you enjoyed your family.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: And then what you know.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: I say this to my police law enforcement friends, like
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: what is it? What happens in the mind where and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: they go, stop it, just stop trying to figure it out,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: because you're not going to figure it out because you're.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Not a sociopath.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Like there's a sociopathic behavior that happens, that it shifts,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: and you're just unless you're there, unless you really are,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: you're a sociopaup yourself. You're not going to understand the
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: brain chemistry of white things in these decisions.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: But because I mean, I think, I mean, it's just wild.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: He could have just waited eventually you know, it would
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: all come to him, or I can't imagine he could
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: have called his parents and said I failed at day trading.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: I know I can't pay you back accountability.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: I need to come work at the store for you
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: and need to learn that business, or hey, I need
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: to go to college. This didn't work out.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, why his first thought was to go to that?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: And don't we think we raise our kids with that?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: We don't we think we raise our kids with enough
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: accountability to come to us and trust us that. Hey,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: you know what, you can tell your friends whatever you want,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: but I'm here to help you, protect you and make
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: the right decision, no matter if it's good, bad, or
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: you're something doesn't feel right.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: That's a safe space.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: That's unconditional love, and you try to raise your kids
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: with it. Yeah, so that's what I'm like, Why is
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: that the first thing you go to? I don't so.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: And but like people say, we can't understand because we're not.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Sociopaths to hire hitman to kill our parents, right, So.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: So we'll see what they do with their life. Jackie
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: has now finished college.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Yes she has.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: He is an prison until at least the age of
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: thirty six, and that is very young. That is, if
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: he ends up getting out, he can start a whole
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: new life for himself. You know, Chris and I had
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: covered a case with a young man actually not far
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: from from where we are, and he ended up killing
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: both of his parents after he was found shoplifting at
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: six Flags and he this is a thing, and he
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: ends up shooting both of them as they come home
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: from church and he drives his rides his bike to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: an Addison police officer and tells them that he has
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: just shot his parents.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: And there is a.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: This is age kid who was raised in the best
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: best private schools in Dallas, the best of the best,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: and given everything, and then one time, you know, something
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: happens and you get in trouble and you don't know
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: how to handle it, and then all these things come
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: out in court right about how his father treated him
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: in this and you don't know if it's true not true,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: But it's just that immediate reaction to disappointment that people
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: have to learn to handle, right, And if you don't,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: the worst is like, oh, I've got to get rid
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: of the problem, right right, I've got to fix this
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to do it. And if that means
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: killing my father to get money, then that's just what
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to do.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: That goes to show though that the brain's not fully developed,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: because that's part of it. Yeah, they that one thing,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: the life is over. It's like, my life's over. I
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: have no choice.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no there's no rebounding from this, you know,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: And we know as adults that this too shall pass,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: This too shall pass, and life happens, and sometimes it
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: sucks and we've got to admit when we're wrong and
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: face the consequences.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: But then sometimes life's really great.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: It is, but you don't let just one little thing.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: I know, I've never had a thought, oh I need
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: to kill something for this. So it also shows besides
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: just the lack of maturity of their brain, things like
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: that something in there.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Just yeah, it wasn't quite right.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: It wasn't quite right.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Well wow, well, thank you for introducing me to this case.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: It was very interesting to research and learn more about.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: And you know, it reminded me of these like really
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: big cases, you know that involve different people being asked
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: to commit the crime within the crime and nobody speaking up.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: So once again, if you notice anything, here's something hear
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: a neighbors scream, I don't. I mean god, Chris and
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: I were just looking at a case the other day
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: where three people heard the woman screaming within a thirty
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: minute period, and nobody called nine to one to one,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: and one guy decided to three hours later because it
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: really bothered him this scream.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Just call police, Just just call. I mean, I if
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: it sounds like a blood curdling scream or it sounds
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: like if it worries you, then that means your body's
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: telling you to do something about it.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean I used to when we first moved
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: to the area we live now, I would hear gunshots
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: and I'd be like, call it, and then I realized
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: there's a gun shooting range close by. But if I
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: hear it at an odd time of the day, I
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: do right down exactly the time and look at the clock,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: and then I watch the news because I can't call
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: for the gun range every time I hear gunshots. But
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: at least I've documented it in case. But if I
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: heard somebody screen blood curdling yell, I'm calling NNE one one, Yes.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Just call and it really, honestly, it goes to trafficking,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: It goes to childbus it goes to animal abuse. Everything
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: be a good neighbor. We are responsible for our community
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: and to do the neighborly thing, and you know, don't worry.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: About pissing people off exactly.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, and it's okay to be wrong too, Please go hey,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: you know what, we looked into it.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: There's nothing here. Well great. At least I can go
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: to bed and go.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: To sleep knowing that I've done the right thing exactly.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: So if anybody offers you money to kill someone, you
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: know what to do. Oh we've told them, now, Terry,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: we've told them not what to do. Now, just do
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: it now, just do it, all right, friend? Well, I
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: hope we get to do this again. Yes, this was fun,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: This was so fun.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Would you like to end it? How we end our show?
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: How do you endu your show?
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: So usually I just tell people to stay safe, watch
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: out for crime, and enjoy one time.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Oh you do well? I like that?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Well ours is have fun, stay safe, have fun, and
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: cheers to next time.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: Cheers the next time.