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The Bolt Report | 7 October · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Jesus is the good reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight Australia's biggest mosque holds a fundraising dinner and rally
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  Speaker 2: on the anniversary of the slaughter of twelve hundred Jews
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  Speaker 2: last year. And we'll have the rabbi who was frog
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  Speaker 2: marched away from another anti Israel event, along with his
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  Speaker 2: Australian flag. What is happening to us? What have we become?
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  Speaker 2: And a challenge to the work evidence that war does work,
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  Speaker 2: Israel's war. But first I want to show you video
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  Speaker 2: things that happened in Israeli year ago that our government
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  Speaker 2: seems never to have seen or wanted to see. What
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  Speaker 2: else can explain it's shocking reaction to October seven, a
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  Speaker 2: year ago today, palisinin terrace from US Terrists from Gaza
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  Speaker 2: invaded Israel and started a ward the Albanies. The Governor's
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  Speaker 2: never understood and what we've seen since is breaks my heart,
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  Speaker 2: I mean my faith in this country. It's shocking. You
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  Speaker 2: would think that what happened to Israel then the massacre,
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  Speaker 2: the beheadings, the rapes and the kidnappings that would have
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  Speaker 2: united us in outrage, would have opened everyone's eyes to
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  Speaker 2: the enemies that Israel faces that we increasingly face too. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: we've seen an explosion of Jew hatred here that shames
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  Speaker 2: this country. We've seen protesters actually identify with Islam's terrorists,
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  Speaker 2: even flying their flags, and from the very day after
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  Speaker 2: that massacre, they were already abusing Israel the victim and
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  Speaker 2: menacing Jews. We've also had the Green vilifying Israel student
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  Speaker 2: groups too, while Islamic preachers praised the terrorists smiling and unhappy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm inited.
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  Speaker 4: That's a day of courage.
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  Speaker 2: And ever since, our cowardly government has utterly failed to
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  Speaker 2: stand against this madness, this insane hatred of Israel and
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  Speaker 2: of Jews. Our institutions, the ABC universities have also failed.
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  Speaker 2: But before I get to that, I want to remind
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  Speaker 2: you of what really happened a year ago. Because of
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  Speaker 2: this wilful blindness, willful blindness, the deeds of that day,
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  Speaker 2: and I think this blindness helps to explain the failure
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  Speaker 2: of labor and institutions. I mean, you know, promised to anything.
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  Speaker 2: The Albaniz hasn't even been to Israel's the massacre. I
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  Speaker 2: reckon it's somehow scared that seeing the reality might force
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  Speaker 2: him to take a side and the same with foreigners,
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  Speaker 2: the penny one, which she did finally go to Israel.
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  Speaker 2: She refused to visit any of the massacre sites. So
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  Speaker 2: let me briefly show you what they and so many
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  Speaker 2: o them left don't seem to have seen or want
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  Speaker 2: to see. They don't worry. I'm not going to show
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  Speaker 2: you any bodies or blood, but I do expect you
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  Speaker 2: to be horrified they how your government and others have
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  Speaker 2: reacted to what you will now see. A year ago today,
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  Speaker 2: at dawn, thousands of US terrorists tore down the fences
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  Speaker 2: that Israel had built on the border, and they went
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  Speaker 2: hunting for Jews. There's no other way to put it. It
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  Speaker 2: was a Jew hunt. I'll show three examples. First, they
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  Speaker 2: attacked Kibbutz's, going door to door shooting people. In one
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  Speaker 2: bit of footage, you can actually see a gunman chase
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  Speaker 2: two women, shoot them both, including one who actually knelt
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  Speaker 2: before him there in the distance, begging for her life life.
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  Speaker 2: The Hamas gunman also turned the roads around there into
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  Speaker 2: killing fields. They commandeered intersections, shot anyone who was in
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  Speaker 2: a car. They also checked for Jews that tried to
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  Speaker 2: hide in bomb shelters that you see along the main
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  Speaker 2: roads near Gaza, many were packed with Jews because of
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  Speaker 2: all the Hamas rockets as well as the shootings. Hamas
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  Speaker 2: gunmen actually went to the gun shell at these bomb shelters,
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  Speaker 2: fired at the civilians inside, even tossed in hand grenades
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  Speaker 2: to blow them up. It was horrific. And the last example,
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  Speaker 2: I must attack the music festival. Lots of young people,
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  Speaker 2: they're just dancing through the night. But at dawn a
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  Speaker 2: mus swooped. Many of the Jews ran for their lives
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  Speaker 2: but were slaughtered as they fled, picked off shot. But
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  Speaker 2: that was not all. Hamas took some of them hostage,
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  Speaker 2: like this woman who's still the hostage by the way.
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  Speaker 2: The video which I won't show you you when she
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  Speaker 2: turns around, you will see her bleeding in the crotch
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  Speaker 2: from a very very brutal rape. And she wasn't alone
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  Speaker 2: live with him eh Elsewhere other women captured by Hamas
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  Speaker 2: were warned they'd be raped as well. When you see that,
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  Speaker 2: then I don't think you can any longer excuse it
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  Speaker 2: by saying, wow, this is just, you know, a reaction
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  Speaker 2: of the oppressed to Israel's violence. This is not something
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  Speaker 2: you can explain like that, as Palestine is rising up
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  Speaker 2: against occupation. I mean, for Star Gaz, it was not occupied.
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  Speaker 2: And this is something else. This is evil, so profound.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen footage of these attackers also cutting
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  Speaker 2: off heads, one with a garden hoe and a warning.
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  Speaker 2: This is the stressing that it should be. I've seen
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  Speaker 2: the body of this German woman who was at that
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  Speaker 2: Nova festival. She'd been killed, her body was broken, and
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  Speaker 2: she was driven back. The body was driven back to
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  Speaker 2: Garza with the crowd hitting it, spitting on it, screaming
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  Speaker 2: at it. So when you see all this, you know
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  Speaker 2: why Israel is so determined to never let this happen again.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, what you saw and what I couldn't show,
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  Speaker 2: you should have told the world what Israel is actually
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  Speaker 2: facing on its borders from all the terrorist groups, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, not just a mess, all of them by
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  Speaker 2: funded by Iran and now attacking Israel from every side.
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  Speaker 2: The idea that Israel can negotiate a peace deal with
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  Speaker 2: these beasts is utterly insane. Now, these groups they don't
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  Speaker 2: want peace with Israel. They when Israel destroyed, they say so. Yet,
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  Speaker 2: how has the Albanezi government reacted to all this, well,
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  Speaker 2: it seems to be like it thinks that Hamas and
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  Speaker 2: hesbelone Iran can be reasoned with their people like you
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  Speaker 2: and me, the same sort of values. Just a little upset.
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  Speaker 2: It's like what actually happened, what really happened on October seven? Ah,
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  Speaker 2: that's just one more tip for tat rather than a
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  Speaker 2: sign of a unique and profound evil with which you
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  Speaker 2: cannot compromise. Now, just two days after Israel suffered what
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  Speaker 2: you just saw, the rapes and the mutilations and the
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  Speaker 2: genocidal slaughter and the kidnappings from mister Penny Wong issued
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  Speaker 2: a statement of the kind of this weak and unprincipled
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  Speaker 2: government stuck ever since? Yes, she said Israel can defend
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  Speaker 2: itself against the people who did this, but then started
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  Speaker 2: telling Israel to restrain itself, restrain itself. And in fact,
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  Speaker 2: never once since has this government actually backed what Israel
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  Speaker 2: does to save itself.
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  Speaker 5: I think it is always the right thing for Australia
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  Speaker 5: to urge restraints in the protection of civilian lives.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that was Penny Wong just two days after
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  Speaker 2: the mass in Israel hadn't even sent a soldier into Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: and already Israel, Israel, Israel, and instead of backing Israel,
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  Speaker 2: I mean really backing Israel. This governor has attacked it
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  Speaker 2: again and again as if they're the real villain's here.
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  Speaker 2: It's overreacting. It must de escalate, think of the Palestinians,
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  Speaker 2: make a peace steel and again today in the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister's message on the anniversary of this slaughter of the Jews,
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  Speaker 2: the worst one day massacre of Jews is the Nazis,
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  Speaker 2: Alban again could not help but bracket any sympathy with
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  Speaker 2: the reaching out to Muslims, the voters he needs in
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  Speaker 2: Western Sydney, and also calling for Israel to make peace
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  Speaker 2: with the monsters who detected, the monsters who wanted destroyed.
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  Speaker 6: The number of Sibilians who have lost their lives is
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  Speaker 6: a devastating tragedy. Today we reflect on the truth about
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  Speaker 6: shared humanity, of the hope that peace is possible and
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  Speaker 6: the belief that it belongs to all people.
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  Speaker 2: You saw what happened on this day a year ago,
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  Speaker 2: and you see that even now Hamas and he Blan Iran,
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  Speaker 2: they don't stop trying to destroy Israel. They don't want
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  Speaker 2: I don't call for peace. You know, let Israel lives.
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  Speaker 2: He wants peace, Well, don't breage that at Israel.
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  Speaker 7: Minutes.
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  Speaker 2: So you tell Iran and Hamas and Hezbelah there will
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  Speaker 2: be instant peace if they just lay down their arms
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  Speaker 2: and let Israel live. And that's the only piece that
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  Speaker 2: Israel can know. And until then, given the horror it faces,
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  Speaker 2: it must trust to war to save it. Joining me
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  Speaker 2: is Australia's top foreign affairs right to Greg Sheridan of
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  Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper, Greg, great to see you. It's a
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  Speaker 2: year now since As started this war by slaughtering twelve
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  Speaker 2: hundred Jews, taking two hundred and fifty one hostages, including
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  Speaker 2: a baby and a toddler who still are missing. Israel
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  Speaker 2: since it back at Hamas and Garza, the Hesbelo terris
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  Speaker 2: in Lebanon, at Iran itself. Even yesterday, the defenseman is
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  Speaker 2: still sticking to the script. Israel has a right to
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  Speaker 2: defend itself, but we can't. We can't actually say yes
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  Speaker 2: to anything Israel actually does.
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  Speaker 3: His she is Iran has been a take Israel. Israel
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  Speaker 3: has a right to defend itself in the face of
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  Speaker 3: all of that. The manner in which it defends itself
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  Speaker 3: clearly matters.
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  Speaker 7: Should Israel be attacking Hesbler targets in Lebanon or not.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we've made clear that Israel has a right to
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  Speaker 3: defend itself. No one wants to see this escalate into
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  Speaker 3: a broader conflict.
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  Speaker 2: God, I'm sick and tired of that that weaseling. How's
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  Speaker 2: the government handled this?
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  Speaker 7: Greg Sheridan, Well, Andrew like you, I'm really in fact,
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  Speaker 7: I'm quite ashamed of the government, to tell you the truth.
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  Speaker 2: It's a left.
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  Speaker 7: Wing government trying to govern from the center, but it
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  Speaker 7: doesn't know how, doesn't have the values, doesn't have the mindset,
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  Speaker 7: its officers aren't staffed that way. And it's also its
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  Speaker 7: responses being characterized by cowardice all over the place. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: it's a bit scared of the reaction that's hipped up
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  Speaker 7: now from normal Australians. So in the last day or
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  Speaker 7: two it's made some slightly more pro Israel statements, but
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  Speaker 7: it just it goes in the direction of whichever way
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  Speaker 7: the wind is blowing. And Richard Males, I think has
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  Speaker 7: become a tragic figure. I mean, he markets himself as
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  Speaker 7: a defense hawk and a lifelong friend of Israel. But
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  Speaker 7: I tell you what you wouldn't want to. You know,
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  Speaker 7: if the only thing standing between you and disaster was
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  Speaker 7: Richard Marles's courage and fidelity to friendship, you'd be in
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  Speaker 7: a bad way. This is a government which has not
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  Speaker 7: exhibited any values or any clear policy. I would have
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  Speaker 7: more respect for it. If it were like the government
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  Speaker 7: of Spain or Ireland and were just blatantly anti Israel.
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  Speaker 7: I'd hate that, but I'd respect its position. Unlike Peter
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  Speaker 7: Dutton and unlike the Greens, you know what they believe in.
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  Speaker 7: You have no idea what this government believes in, except
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  Speaker 7: that it's merely mouthed and it is scared to be
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  Speaker 7: seen to be too friendly to Israel. As you said,
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  Speaker 7: even from the day after the atrocities, it was scared
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  Speaker 7: to see stand too close to the victims.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Greg, I've been struggling to understand understand this. Given
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  Speaker 2: what Israel faces, what we've seen on October seven, it
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  Speaker 2: has been very eager to please Muslim communities. That's absolutely
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  Speaker 2: number one, especially voters in Western City that is relying
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  Speaker 2: on that. They don't want them to go to the Greens. Today,
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  Speaker 2: the radical head of the Australian palastin and Avocacy Network,
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  Speaker 2: the guy who's been behind a lot of the Melbourne protests,
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  Speaker 2: ugly protests, gave Albanz this praise.
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  Speaker 7: Anthony Albanesi absolutely is the best friend Palestine's ever had
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  Speaker 7: in the lodge. Absolutely, it's a very low bar.
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  Speaker 2: Well, praise for Nasha Mashni is no praise at all.
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  Speaker 2: As as Albanesi actually tilted too far to the Muslim lobby.
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  Speaker 7: Well, of course he has. But I wouldn't even just
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  Speaker 7: entirely blamed the Muslims. They're a big fact that there's
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  Speaker 7: no doubt there's one hundred thousand Jews in Australia. There's
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  Speaker 7: nearly a million Muslims. So the government has just completely
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  Speaker 7: sold out to electoral interests. But it's not only the
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  Speaker 7: Muslim vote, it's the Green left vote. I mean, our
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  Speaker 7: universities have been inculcating a hatred of the West and
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  Speaker 7: a hatred of the United States and a hatred of
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  Speaker 7: Israel for thirty or forty or fifty years now, and
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  Speaker 7: it's Green's voters. I mean, Anthony Albanez is never going
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  Speaker 7: to lose his seat to a Liberal, but he could
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  Speaker 7: lose it to a Green and it's the non Muslim Caucasian,
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  Speaker 7: middle class lefty vote that Labor is pandering to as
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  Speaker 7: much as it is to the Muslims. But I don't
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  Speaker 7: know that this government actually has any idea what it's doing.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you just have no idea. It's not as
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  Speaker 7: if this government has a secret real position which it's
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  Speaker 7: too scared to put. Its position seems to be just
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  Speaker 7: whatever the focus group and the pr line and how
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  Speaker 7: it's going to balance off the Greens against the mainstream
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  Speaker 7: of Australia. And you see it with Richard Marles. I
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  Speaker 7: think Males has become, as I say, a tragic and
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  Speaker 7: pathetic figure. He gets trapped into a little formula. You know,
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  Speaker 7: Israel has a right to defend itself, but we want
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  Speaker 7: the escalation. And he can't answer a straight question. You
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  Speaker 7: ask him one question beyond the talking point, and he
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  Speaker 7: has no idea what to say. He just has his
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  Speaker 7: little phrase worked out. And that's the limit of the
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  Speaker 7: government's position. I don't think I've ever seen a government
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  Speaker 7: as incompetent as this and answering straightforward questions.
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  Speaker 2: Well, some of these guys, and I include Mark Dreyfus,
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  Speaker 2: who's Jewish himself, should realize one day they'll look back
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  Speaker 2: and realize they had a chance to make a moral stand.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't take it, and I think that should be
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  Speaker 2: a cause of a cause of shame for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of their lives if they don't do something. Now. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to have much more on this later in the show, Greg,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to hear with something extraordinary New Zealand's
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  Speaker 2: navy there's just nine ships. Realize, only six that actually
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  Speaker 2: have cruise, but of yesterday it now has just five
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  Speaker 2: ships left with cruise after a servo vessel hit a
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  Speaker 2: reef and Samoa, of all things, caught fire and sank.
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  Speaker 2: The Defense Minister treat this disasters as an extraordinary feat
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  Speaker 2: of seamanship issues.
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  Speaker 8: This was in the dark, heavy heavy seas. This was
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  Speaker 8: an extraordinary feat of keeping people together and keeping them safe.
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  Speaker 8: This was this is having spoken to the captain. This
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  Speaker 8: was a tremendous effort from everybody, and everyone stayed calm.
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  Speaker 2: Greg is New Zealand a total woke joke, A symbol
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  Speaker 2: of it. Tyrannies are on the rise while the West
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  Speaker 2: is so weak, well it is.
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  Speaker 7: It is pathetic. I mean, the only thing in the
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  Speaker 7: world that makes the Australian navy. Look, any good is
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  Speaker 7: the New Zealand Navy. And this is now ye years
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  Speaker 7: and years, decades and decades of neglect of New Zealand defense.
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  Speaker 7: You know, once it was called the Prussia of the
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  Speaker 7: South Seas. You know, the New Zealanders used to think
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  Speaker 7: they were the better soldiers in the Anzac Corps than
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  Speaker 7: the Aussies. And there was half a case to make
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  Speaker 7: for that. But they've had ever since that buffoon David
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  Speaker 7: Longi took them out of the Anzas Alliance, they have
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  Speaker 7: run down their defense forces. Mind you, we're heading in
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  Speaker 7: the same way. We haven't yet been sunk by a shoal. Heaven,
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  Speaker 7: fullfend what we do against the Chinese if you can't
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  Speaker 7: manage to defend yourself against a passive shoal. But you remember,
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  Speaker 7: we sent a ship out a year or two ago
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  Speaker 7: and it broke down along the way. Had to get
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  Speaker 7: the NRAMA the RACV to come and give it roadside assistance. Well,
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  Speaker 7: the New Zealanders managed to sink themselves in Samoa with
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  Speaker 7: no hostile vessels. Now the Luxe And government is infinitely
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  Speaker 7: better than the government it replaced the durn government. But
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  Speaker 7: it's starting from so far behind, and it has so
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  Speaker 7: little fiscal hebra and New Zealanders can't take defense seriously,
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  Speaker 7: they can't take the Chinese challenge seriously. They are passengers
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  Speaker 7: in history, they are not agency.
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  Speaker 2: Still here they have taken the diversity tests seriously because
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  Speaker 2: that was a female captain. Not did I say anything.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying the diversity quota has been met, honestly, Greg,
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  Speaker 2: Greg Sheard, thank you so much for your time on
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  Speaker 2: this terrible day. Joining me is the panel Michael Kroger,
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  Speaker 2: former Victorian Liberal President, Steve Conroy, former Labor Senator, the
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  Speaker 2: Cabinet minister Michael. The war against Israel, that in itself
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  Speaker 2: is a huge issue, and I'm going to talk to
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  Speaker 2: a top military man of what's going on there, but
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  Speaker 2: about a fascinating survey of Palestinians actually that shows this
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  Speaker 2: US war is working. But what really is disturbing to
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  Speaker 2: me is how the Albanize government, the Greens have reacted
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  Speaker 2: to it. First, the Prime Minister of your assessment.
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  Speaker 4: Andrew, I'd have to give him a zero out of
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  Speaker 4: ten NASA mash and he's riet, He's the best friend
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  Speaker 4: the Palestinian community I've ever had, not in terms of
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  Speaker 4: not in terms of him supporting their demonstrations or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But he's been so morally bunk bankrupt, you know, on
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  Speaker 4: the need to support democracies, freedom, liberty, security, He's been confused.
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  Speaker 4: He hasn't visited Israel, Wong refuse to visit the sites
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  Speaker 4: of the atrocities, restoring funding, to continually calling for two
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  Speaker 4: state solution at a time where who would be the
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  Speaker 4: other state. The list goes on and on. He's been
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  Speaker 4: totally morally bankrupt, He's confused, and his support is plummeting
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  Speaker 4: across this nation because at a time when you need
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  Speaker 4: moral courage, we've got this pathetic, diminished figure who doesn't
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  Speaker 4: know right from wrong at a time when it needs
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  Speaker 4: courage in leadership. And as others have said tonight net
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  Speaker 4: Yahoo show an extraordinary courage in the face of great adversity.
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  Speaker 4: But this guy's been a terrible, a terrible leader, and
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  Speaker 4: it's been appalling for the nation.
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  Speaker 2: Steve Conroy, You've actually sat around many a table and
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  Speaker 2: government with Albanezi. Where does his anti Israel leanings, whether
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  Speaker 2: they're intentional or not, actually come from, Because it can't
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  Speaker 2: just be wanting Muslim votes. Now in Western City, he
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  Speaker 2: visited the West Bank and met the deeply corruptorist leader
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  Speaker 2: Yasir Arafat. Twenty six years ago, visited a Panasing refugee
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  Speaker 2: camp and somehow came back so impressed the co founder
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  Speaker 2: of the Parliamentary Friends of Palistine with Joe Hockey Mars
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  Speaker 2: and address at anti Israel rally during an to Fada.
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  Speaker 2: How do you explain his stance?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I don't accept some of the characterizations of Michael
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  Speaker 9: or yourself in terms of Elbow. I've known him a
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  Speaker 9: long time. I've known him his whole political life. We
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  Speaker 9: were in Young Labor together from nineteen eighty four eighty five,
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  Speaker 9: and he is consistently over the last twenty years been
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  Speaker 9: an opponent of things like the boycott. You know, remember
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: the ol BDIs. He was a champion against BDIs. His
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: statement even today was a magnificent statement in support of
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: the Israeli people and in memory of the people who
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: were massacred. So I don't accept your characterization. I think
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: there is a.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Broad I don't accept your characterization of this. And he've
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: made a reference to the point where Jews around Australia
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: feel disappointed in him, abandoned by him. How do you
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: explain the fact that he didn't go in as hard
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: for Israel to say.
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: Bob Hawk, Well, what we're seeing at the moment in
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: Australia is a very significant shift in the broad left.
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: And what I would say to anybody in the Labor Party,
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: any Labor voter, is that to give you one example
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: that Melbournians are going to be facing soon in the
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: Melbourne City Council, you should ignore the Labor Party how
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: to vote card that recommends that you vote for the Greens,
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: and you should vote for Nick Reith, who is not
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: preferencing the Greens. And if you're going to vote for
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: the Labor candidate number one, you should not follow and
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: preference to the Greens Anti Semitic party after that, and
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: Labor voters all around the country need to start thinking
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: about this going forward, because you've seen that poll today.
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: The vast majority of Australia I'm beginning to turn their
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: back on these daily protests, these weekly protests.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Don't just interrupt and endorse what you just said, because
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I think you spoke for me and for Michael Kroger
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: there in the Melbourne City Council election. Labor is disgraceful
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: in preferencing the Greens given what we're seeing, and yes,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: vote for Nick Reese. I know he's a former labor guy,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: but he's got a liberal running mate and Nick is
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: a decent bloke, So you speak for us both. But
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I noticed you did not answer my question on the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister. How is all this going to play out
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: in the election, Michael Kroger, So.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: This is getting worse for Albin Easy. You've seen Nepole today.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Sixty percent of people don't like these demonstrations. Of course,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: it's the same number that voted against the Voice. So
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: what we're seeing is this large group of Australians that
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: revel in freedom, peace and democracy, that love the unity
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: of this country being appalled by this hatefield division that
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: is being stoked by the hard left in this country
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: in the name of a free Palestine. Please, we're not
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: that stupid when they hold when they hold flags of Hesbalah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: pictures of Nasrallah, pictures of Itally Ityler Kameni, et cetera,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. So the Australian public are quietly saying,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: as they did in the Voice, no people staking this
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: division not the type of people we want to have
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: having a big say in this country, and how does
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: that plat for Albinisi. He is seen as being incredibly
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: weak on the issue of Israel. You know, anti Semitism
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: has never been more rife, more plentiful, more hatefield than
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: has been in my lifetime as there is now under
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: the watch of Anthony Albanezi. And he will never ever
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: live that down, and nor should nor should he. He's
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: been pathetic in relation to the universities, pathetic in relation
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: to Israel, pathetic in relation to these demonstrations. I mean,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: he is a man of the hard left. He is
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: not a friend of Israel, no matter what he says.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: His history and what you're seeing during his government tells
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: you this is not a friend of the Jewish community.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Albanizi is not, and people in the Uwish community know
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: that they've worked it out now and if there was
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: anything to this blake, he would have sacked Penny Wong.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: He would have sacked Wong months ago and had someone
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: in there who actually supported freedom and democracies and the
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: rule of law, the types of things they have in Israel,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: which they don't have in any other Arab country, any
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Arab country in the world.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Andrew Michael Craig and Stephen Conroy, thank you both for
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: your time. After the break A stunning pole of Palestinians.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: You know, it seems that Anthony Albaniz is wrong and
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Israel totally right. Its war is working. Now a stunning
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: poll to remind us that yes, sometimes war does work.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I know war is shocking and horrible and all that,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: but I tell you there's sometimes worse things than fighting
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: a war, including losing one. From the day that Israel
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: was attacked by hamasteris years a year ago, Israel has
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: been told restrain yourself, don't turn this into a war.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: America has said that, Britain has said that, the United
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Nations has said it, and Australia has said it again
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and again to Israel, even last week after he ran
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and fired one hundred and eighty one ballistic missiles at
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Israel in a single day.
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: Israel, of course, has a right to defend itself. What
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: we have called for consistently is for a de escalation in.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: The region of diplomacy.
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: However, cannot succeed an escalation of this conflict.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Israel has consistently ignored them. Even today was as sending
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: more weaponry into Gaza to deal with remaining Hamas Terrists there,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: and now comes a pole just to remind us that
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: in the Middle East, at least it is force that
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: gets you respect and safety. You take this new pole well.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Back in December, the respected Arab World for Research and Development,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: based in the Palestine city of Ramala, polled people in
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the West Bank and Gaza Palestinians and found that seventy
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: five percent supported that massacre on October seven, ninety percent
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: wanted no coexistence with Israel, and seventy six percent backed Hamas,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: which is all shocking, but what a difference of war
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: has made a ward Israel is winning because since then
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Israeli has ignored Australia in the US and the UN,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: and destroyed most of the mus Terrist army, taken out
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: almost the entire leadership of the Hesbeala terrorist army in Lebanon.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: And now that same polling group has done another pole
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: have found support for the October seven massacre has dropped
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: to sixty seven percent, still high, but a third of
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: them now admit the attack was flawed or involved heinous
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: or criminal acts. But most striking is that eighty percent
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: of Palestinians polled now want, albeit grudgingly, a Palestinian state
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: to live alongside Israel, and just eight percent said they'd
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: vote for Hamas eight percent. Joining me from Tel Aviv
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: in Israel, of course, is Colonel Richard Kemp, a retired
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: British Army officer who's commanded Operation Finger in Afghanistan and
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: has studied the Israeli Army's war tactics and been to
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: most of the fronts Now, Richard, great to see you again. Listen.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Israel's war is it working.
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: It is working, and it's working extremely effectively. It's taken
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: a lot time a year now pretty much, but it
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: is gradually succeeding. And Israel has defeated Hamas in Gaza.
• 29:10
  Speaker 11: Hamas in Gala is no longer a significant threat to Israel.
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: That doesn't mean it's been eliminated. It's still got There's
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: still a lot of work to do there to get
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: rid of ha Mass completely, as far as that can
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: be done. But it's been very successful in the most
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: complicated battlefield the world's ever seen. And in the north
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: in Lebanon, Hisbela has been decapitated and Israel is now
• 29:32
  Speaker 11: working very, very effectively in southern Lebanon on the ground,
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: to destroy the hisbellar apparatus, and in the air as well,
• 29:40
  Speaker 11: to destroy some of the rocket systems and another infrastructure
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: further north. That, of course, the next major problem for
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: Israel to tackle is Iran. And we don't know what
• 29:52
  Speaker 11: Israel's reponse is going to be to the Iranian Bob
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: Marblant a few days ago, but it's going to be
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: something I think quite.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Decisive now, Richard. As you know, there are two elements
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: for this, and you sort of hinted at it in
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: your answer there. One is the military assets and the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: people holding the guns right now. The other is the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: people's will to keep supplying fresh recruits and support and
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: let them take control of the territory and all that
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: kind of thing that it applies to Gaza, that applies
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: to Lebanon, the Hezbollah that's taken over a third of Lebanon.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: There the first bit I agree with you. Do you
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: think though, that the popular will in Gaza and in
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Lebanon is now not for those terrorist armies but working
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: against it, Like what a calamity have these people in
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you know, brought to us?
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: Well, I think there's an element of that but it's
• 30:49
  Speaker 11: very hard to assess exactly how strong that is. Hamas
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: do still have considerable control political control inside Gaza, and
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: it's hard to eradicate that. One of the major tools
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: they have at their disposal is they have control of
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: aide supplies, which are critical to obviously to all the people,
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: and they have to therefore cawtaw really to Hamass in
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: order to get the aid that the international community is
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: deliver it. But I think only once ha Mass has
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: been much more strongly defeated in Gaza are we likely
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: to see any significant change. If we do, I think
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: that there's going to be a problem from Gaza for
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: many years to come up in the north. In Lebanon,
• 31:34
  Speaker 11: I've certainly heard of indications that there is movement against
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: his Balar Now even some Lebanese politicians are speaking out
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: against his Balla who didn't do so before, and that
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: could lead to them being undermined if Israel is successful
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: at inflicting even greater harm on his Balard than they
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: have now. But I don't think either of these two
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: problems are going to be soluble by military force alone.
• 32:00
  Speaker 11: Military force is critical, and only once these organizations have
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: been neutralized to a large extent, then can there be
• 32:09
  Speaker 11: any real significant political change in either of those two territories.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: And of course there's one other factor in the culture
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: of these groups. Shame is also very important. If you're weak,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: if you fail, you've been shamed, and that makes you
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: list attractive as a recruiting agent. Richard Camp. People will
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: be saying, how dare you say Israel's winning the war?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: What about all the deaths of these civilians? What's your
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: response to that?
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree, it's tragic. There's been a lot, very
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: large number of civilians killed inside Gaza since the war began,
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: and some in Lebanon as well. But unfortunately, you can't
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: fight a war in the twenty first entrure or even
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: in earlier centuries and not killed villions when your enemy
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: is fighting from within the civilian population, and that's certainly
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: true of both Hamas and his Balla. We've seen footage
• 33:07
  Speaker 11: recently of rockets inside people's houses in Lebanon, and also,
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: of course, the Hamas infrastructure spreads through a lot of
• 33:17
  Speaker 11: the civilian buildings and areas in Gaza, including hospital, schools, etc.
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: And the idea has tried. I've been into Gaza and myself.
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: I've seen their efforts firsthand. They've done everything they can
• 33:31
  Speaker 11: to get at her mass while minimizing civilian deaths. But nevertheless,
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: there are still a lot of civilian deaths unfortunately. I
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: think the most recent analyzes of and it's terrible to
• 33:43
  Speaker 11: reduce human life to statistics, but the.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Most recent analyzes of the ratios between civilian and military
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: fatalities in Gaza are very favorable compared to other conflicts,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: for example, Afghanistan, Iraq, and conflicts more generally where the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: number of the ratio of civilian deaths has been much
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: higher than in Gaza today.
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: So yeah, it's a terrible situation.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: None of us like it at all.
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: I don't think certainly the Israelis don't like it either,
• 34:10
  Speaker 11: but they recognize that you cannot defeat a terrorist threat
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: to you that exists in the civilian population without unfortunately
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: killing civilians.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Good Richard Kemp, thank you so much, indeed, for being
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: so generous with your time after the break while you
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: weren't watching Britain's knew appallingly woke government gave up a
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: colony in our backyard that was bent to help keep
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: us safe and isn't China pleased. Well, this work destroying
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the West in New Zealand just said goodbye to another
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: ship that just hit a reef that it was supposedly monitoring.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Last week, an astonishing decision though by the new British
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Labor government to give away islands in the middle of
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: the Indian Ocean that it's held for more than two
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: hundred years, to give away the Chagoff's Islands, which include
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: the Diego Garcia base which the US uses as well.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Now the British government decided to give them to Mauritius,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: which is two thousand kilometers away, as long as Mauritius
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: led at least the base for nine to nine years.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And of course to do that, wouldn't it join me
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: from London is writer, broadcast and commentator Esther Cranky. I
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: could not believe this when I heard it. Why has
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: the government done this? Is you know? Is it out
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: of shame of holding on to what's deemed to be
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: part of Africa? You know this colonial cringe.
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: Well, unfortunately, we have a government made up of student
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: activists that are under the delusion that if we keep
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: self flagellating over history, somehow the world is going to
• 35:48
  Speaker 12: respect Britain more. And no, there's no other person that
• 35:51
  Speaker 12: fits the bill of this description than David Lammy. And
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: now David Lammy is clearly a foreign secretary who is
• 35:58
  Speaker 12: out of his death call his pointless arms embargo partial
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: arms embargo to Israel of thirteen military parts, when when
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: Israel was in the thick of war, and which had
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: virtually no material effect on on the war effort. But
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: he decided to do that to virtue signal. And this
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: is another thing that he's done as well, giving away
• 36:17
  Speaker 12: the Chegos Islands. Now, it must be said that this
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: process was started in the under the Conservatives who bow
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: to pressure about this ridiculous idea of colonization and handing
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: back the Chegos Islands to the Mauritian government without even
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: asking the Chegos Islanders. This idea that for some reason
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: Mauritius is a much better administrative of the islands is
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: literally uh, you know, it's a letter. The Chegos Islanders
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: will even moved to these islands to farm coconuts by
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: the Mauritians, but they don't exactly have a good track
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: record of treating them well. And that the major concern
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: is the fact that Mauritius is this tiny island state
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: that's that's very friendly to Beijing, and we know that
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: Beijing doesn't respect the treaties or the sovereignty of countries,
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: and so there's no guarantee that they're actually, you know,
• 36:59
  Speaker 12: even even actually hold out this ninety nine year deal.
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: You know, if that were just a little pressure from Beijing,
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: they could crumble and Britain would have given up a
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: strategic location in the Indian Ocean to its rival. And
• 37:13
  Speaker 12: it just beggars belief this idea that you know, handing
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: over handing the control of the Chego's silence the Mauritians
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: is a much better deal for the Chegosians.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Who, by the way, weren't even asked.
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: They weren't even asked who they would prefer to govern
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: those islands, whether the Brits, which have a much stronger
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: human rights track record than Mauritius, which is ally to Beijing,
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: which has a terrible human human rights record. So, you know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 12: these are the kinds of things that we were seeing
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: with this new government, and I suspect it's only going
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: to get worse. What's next the Falkland Islands or Gibraltar.
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: I mean, this idea that we can just you know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 12: apologize constantly for the past at the expense of our
• 37:48
  Speaker 12: own national security interest is just beggars belief.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Well, you write a really good point there. I mean,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: it must be a real political issue and sort of
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the government having to, oh, we won't give away the
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Falklands or what's that worth? I mean, Argentina is one
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: of the Falklands. British Britain under Margaret Thatcher went to
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: war to defend them from an Argentinian invasion. But why
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you give away the Falklands. Why wouldn't you give
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Gibraltar back to Spain?
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: Well exactly, And it's the kind of naive mindset that
• 38:20
  Speaker 12: we are expected to tolerate. But what is stopping them
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: from really giving away the Falklands if this is the
• 38:25
  Speaker 12: trend that they're setting. But the wider implications is what
• 38:27
  Speaker 12: concerns me, because we live in a world with the
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: China's and the Irans and the North Koreas and the
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: Russia who don't care about our constant pontificating or self
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: flagellating over history, who don't care that we're willing to
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: sacrifice our own national security interests because of a bunch
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: of student activists have taken over the government and at
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: the end of the day, this is a dereliction of
• 38:46
  Speaker 12: duty because the government is first and foremost supposed to
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: protect British citizens within and outside of its borders. Giving
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: up key strategic land masses in the middle of the
• 38:54
  Speaker 12: Indian Ocean isn't one of those things to do that.
• 38:57
  Speaker 12: And David Lammy surprisingly has been using his position as
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: Foreign Secretary to go and stand in the UN and
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: just pontificate about how he's the first black man in
• 39:06
  Speaker 12: his role, forgetting that the UN Secretary General years ago
• 39:09
  Speaker 12: was one of the UN Secrety Generals was Kofiana, a
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: black man from Ghana. He is using his position not
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: to further an interest of Britain, but to talk about
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: the fact that he's so happy to be a black
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: man in that position, which is not only pointless but
• 39:20
  Speaker 12: also a little bit insulting. What happened to the Britain
• 39:22
  Speaker 12: that you're supposed to represent. Do their interest not matter?
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: Is it just about you and your your massive ego?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, for goodness sake, It's like taking the position is therapy,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: a little personal enhancement to as the cracker. I can't believe,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: but you know what that Britain should say if you're
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: such a probable, you know, to China for instance, China
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: you go first, you get back to Bit and then
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: maybe we'll consider giving back Gibraltar. Let's see how that works.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: It's to correctly, thank you so much for your time.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: That's astonishing, absolutely astonishing. Work is killing the West. And
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: after the break talk to the rabbi dragged away with
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Australian flag from another anti Israel protests. Plus that fundraising
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: dinner for Palestine Tonight, Australia's biggest mosque, held on the
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: anniversary of the massacre of twelve hundred Jews a year ago.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Most of our politicians are too polite to mention it.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: But where are Australia's Muslim leaders today? To this day,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: the Australian National Imam's Council that's the top body representing
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Muslim clerics in this country, has not issued one press
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: release saying one word of sympathy or horror over the
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: slaughter of the Jews Bahamas a year ago. Today. Meanwhile,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the Kember Mosque, our biggest tonight, is in Sydney holding
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: a fundraiser on this very day, the anniversary of the
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: slaughter of those Jews. It's a fundraiser for Palestine. And
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: one of the speakers is the very shaikh who was
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: elated to hear of that must attack the year ago, smiling.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: And I'm happy, I'm innited.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: That's a day of courage. So why is that Bozo
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  Speaker 2: and the other sheiks holding in the Kember Mosque tonight
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  Speaker 2: a fundraiser on this anniversary? I mean, Israel didn't invade
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  Speaker 2: Garza for a couple of weeks after that, so it's
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  Speaker 2: not about oh, you know the war on Gaza started tonight.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't, so how can this be anything but a
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  Speaker 2: celebration of that slaughter. Here's one of the other speakers
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  Speaker 2: that addressed the rally beforehand.
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  Speaker 3: The seventh of October.
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  Speaker 2: What it is is an act of resistance and friends, unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: That was the rally earlier at this most joining me
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  Speaker 2: Michael Danby for Federal Labor politician Rabbi Osher Feldman, Michael said,
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  Speaker 2: with you, what does this event tonight at the Kimber
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  Speaker 2: mosfel you.
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  Speaker 13: That there is a deeply alienated group of people who
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  Speaker 13: have no respect for the murders of innocent Israelis and
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  Speaker 13: you're dead right, Andrew. It's not just that mosque, but
• 42:21
  Speaker 13: the Mum's Council should have come out with at least
• 42:24
  Speaker 13: in the beginning some words of sympathy, especially if they
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  Speaker 13: expect sympathy for Palestinians who've been killed in the military
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  Speaker 13: operations in Gaza, you know, fear for both sides. Twenty
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  Speaker 13: or thirty years of interfaith meetings all seems to mean
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  Speaker 13: nothing to them.
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  Speaker 2: Now this rally was authorized by a new Southwest Police
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  Speaker 2: gi event Tick helped close the streets. Meanwhile, Rabbi Feldman,
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  Speaker 2: you yesterday this is a different story. You confronted another
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: ant Israel protest Insydney with an Australian flag. This is
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  Speaker 2: after we've been seeing Hesbola flags being flown. No one
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  Speaker 2: the rested it. This is what happened to you. You
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: can see the footage on the screen. You're almost being
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: carried away by police. You're holding your Australian flag in
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: one hand. Please say they were just removing you for
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: your own safety because of your interaction with the crowd.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think the story was? What do I think?
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what the story was. It's completely false.
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  Speaker 5: They were taking me out for my own safety. I'll
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: tell you why it's false, because they only allowed me
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: to enter the rally with a police escort for my safety.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: So I was there with the police escort and I
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: had no negative interaction with anyone, and suddenly, like some
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: senior officer comes up to me and says, we have
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: to detain you for for peace, for peace. So they
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: dragged me out like a dog out of the park.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't ask me to leave. I would have left
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: if they would have asked me to leave. They didn't
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: ask me to leave. They dragged me like an animal.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: And then when my kipper fell off, they didn't. They
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: didn't put it back. I pleaded with them to put mike,
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: please put put.
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  Speaker 2: It back on.
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  Speaker 5: They refuse to. They refused to. You know, they just
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: wanted to make a spectacle of me. That's what it
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: seemed like. You know, if if imagine if a Sikh
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: would have would their turban fell off or a Muslim
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: their hijab fell off? You know, with the same standard
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  Speaker 5: be applied. And you know, do I have to hold
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: do I have to wave a Hezbollah or a Musk
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  Speaker 5: flag in order rather than an Australian flag in order
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  Speaker 5: not to get arrested in this country. Where has our
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: great country gone? Where is Australia gone? This is not
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  Speaker 5: the Australia I grew up in. And one last thing, Andrew,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm a proud Jew and I'm a proud
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  Speaker 5: fourth generation Australian and I was viciously pulled out of
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: that park because one of those two reasons, And that
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  Speaker 5: to me is disgraceful.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, what do you make of that?
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  Speaker 13: Well, Rabi Feldman, I think most Australians would be deeply
• 45:33
  Speaker 13: ashamed of what happened to you, and the police in
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: New South Wales and Victoria have shown repeated weakness and
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  Speaker 13: wokeness with these pro Hamas pro Hesbala rallies. The fact
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: that you were arrested carrying an Australian flag, most Australians
• 45:52
  Speaker 13: would regard that it's absolutely shameful and side with you.
• 45:56
  Speaker 13: But our police should be getting instructions that the people
• 45:59
  Speaker 13: carrying Hezbola and Jamas flags could be instantly arrested. There
• 46:03
  Speaker 13: were hez Bulah flags at the rally in Melbourne and
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  Speaker 13: it wasn't done. Shame on the police in Victoria shame
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  Speaker 13: on just Cindarellen for not organizing it.
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  Speaker 7: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Rabbi has made an excellent point. If
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  Speaker 2: you've beenkarying to Hesbelo one, he might have been safe.
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  Speaker 2: I just sick with you for a second, Michael, because
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: this gets me. The ABC, talking about institutions that let
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: us down, has been spreading the anti Israel poison. We've
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: given examples before Hamas. Now he claims that Israel has
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: killed forty two thousand people in Gaza, which some statisticians question.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Many would be terrorists and many of the civilians would
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: be their families. But the ABC's John Lyones today claim
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: that the true death hult was four times worse. If
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: he said you added starvation, what's starvation and lack of
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: medical care?
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  Speaker 14: Here he is on the ABC De Lancet magazine based
• 46:56
  Speaker 14: on a lot of their doctors and medical connections are
• 46:59
  Speaker 14: saying the belize the death toll could be as high
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: as one hundred and eighty six thousand people, the typical lions.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, that claim is false. Lancer didn't make that claim,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: was a letter, not even a study to lanced the
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: lead writers of Palatin the streams who are defended Palatin
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: the Trusties like the murder of to Israeli reservists by
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: the man in that photo with the bloody hands who
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: later bragged about it. Here is.
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: Fine then, connector lemon, no pullly them, connector I can't
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: cool lookually for the lot of highly pulled them, count
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: the other sugar for.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: The lot and nuss. But I remember I finished sugbackler
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: and I shall sort of about this is the truth
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I was dealing with, Michael, your response to John Lyones
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: quoting that absolutely dodgy stat.
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  Speaker 13: He knows it's propaganda. He's meant to be the impartial
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  Speaker 13: global affairs editor.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Of the ABC.
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  Speaker 13: It's unbelievable that a person, knowing that that's been rebuked
• 48:19
  Speaker 13: many times, knowing that it was a letter to the editor,
• 48:22
  Speaker 13: would cite that propaganda on ABC Radio National this morning.
• 48:26
  Speaker 13: And you're right to focus on it, Andrew. They want
• 48:28
  Speaker 13: people to focus on the Palestinian issue in Gaza only
• 48:33
  Speaker 13: and not on the bigger picture of what Iran is
• 48:35
  Speaker 13: doing all around that region to set the whole world
• 48:39
  Speaker 13: of fire, and the israelis not putting up with it anymore.
• 48:42
  Speaker 13: And I hope the rest of the democratic world will
• 48:44
  Speaker 13: join them unlike Albo Macron and leave this fight back
• 48:49
  Speaker 13: against Iran. I think it's going to come in the
• 48:52
  Speaker 13: next few days, Andrew and as the Earl of Sussex
• 48:55
  Speaker 13: said when he met the King of France, it's coming
• 48:57
  Speaker 13: in thunder and an earthquake.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: But Rabbi Osha Feldman, you've got the ABC right can
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: do the propaganda like that. I mean, and I've given
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: many other examples. You're besieged with that. You see the
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: streets filled with people haters, with that Hesbala flags and
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: all that. How did Jews in Australia feel now about
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: their own safety, particularly when you do you do walk
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: in the street, you know, as I say, visibly Jewish
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: with the kipper on. How do you feel?
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: You know, you know, I think we do have political
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: freedom of political expression in this country. You know, you
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: could be pro Israel, you could be anti Israel. It's
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: your choice. But if you're going to protest on October
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: the seventh against Israel, make no mistake, you know, humanitarian,
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: you know, warrior for peace. All you are are stomping
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: on the graves of the Jews who are massacred, raped
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  Speaker 5: and massacred. On October the seventh and I am. I'm
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: sure all decent people are sickened.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: By it, so you should be. And I tell you
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: who we are going to talk to who knows all
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: about this now, Michael Dan Boscherfeldmer thank you so much
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: of your time's Sharry markson Live from Israel, Cherry can't
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  Speaker 2: wait to hear your show. Take it Away,