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Dr. Stewart Tankersley’s run for Alabama Lt. Governor · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  So the other of our esteemed hosts here on America out loud pulse always one beat ahead with Jordan and Stewart, Stuart Tankersley has actually put his hat in the race, as we've talked about before.
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  And I think it is a good idea to maybe check in with Stewart and see how things are going, but also again reminding us of why he wants to get into the swamp or the morass of what is politics these days.
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  Yeah, thank you, Jordan.
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  It's uh been an exciting month going all around the state doing these events and uh getting to know people, it's really interesting, picking up on a lot of things.
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  I'm enjoying getting to know the other candidates for the other offices as well as the uh the lieutenant governor.
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  Of course, we don't really have a governor's race here with uh Senator Tubberville coming back home and running for the uh, you know, I don't even know if there's anybody technically that's been uh running against him.
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  I think uh so as a result of that, the two headline campaigns for the lieutenant governor and the Senate race, and of course, there's an attorney general race that's interesting to a lot of us because it's such a powerful position, but uh um I'm picking up a lot of things that people don't know.
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  One of the things I found interesting is that the people that are uh in an elected office, uh while you and I have to work, they get to go campaign uh on our dime in regards to the travel and the uh so they get to go out to a lot more places and then um yeah, as always, it's hard to run against an incumbent, not just an incumbent for the position, but an incumbent of somebody that's already in government.
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  Yeah, it's uh that is one of the advantages I never thought about before.
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  And so uh that's interesting, but uh I'm running against uh three well, there are six of us in the race, and mine officially starts next Monday, 50 days before my uh campaign manager is coming in town doing a lot of videos and stuff this week and uh getting the message home then.
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  But fundamentally, as you know, two of the main reasons I'm running is because uh the system's broken.
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  I think that is uh weekend before last I went to um the Alabama GOP big annual event with all 500 people and elected officials and maybe over 500 people there, and uh we had a very interesting vote on uh the new chairman of the party, and that was very insightful.
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  Um we got a good guy in uh Scott uh State Hagen, and he was the former majority uh House leader, and then uh he is a good guy, and so I'm looking forward to working with him, of course, but um learned a lot of things and got a campaign team out of DC.
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  Uh, and they're coming in this week during all the videos.
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  But the two main things as we've discussed before offline and everything are the uh make Alabama healthy again and starting to look forward to taking advantage of what RFK and his wonderful team is doing.
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  They're putting forward a lot of uh programs to push to the states, and I can't wait to help push them hard in Alabama because Alabama is the most unhealthy state.
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  We have the lowest scores in the retirement age group, and of course, our children are not healthy, and um I don't know uh what we talked about last week with RFK's discussion with uh Rogan, you know, there's so much low-hanging fruit that we're gonna go after, and it's gonna be very exciting.
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  The other one is um making our government accountable once again, and I think my unique position as a lieutenant governor with a podcast like this wonderful one that uh we'll have opportunity to share with people on a weekly basis about how the sausage is being made.
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  And you know, uh it's a very important, and I've said this on the campaign trail, and there was a senator, state senator there, and he really appreciated the perspective that uh lieutenant governor, the presiding officer of the Senate that isn't a uh that isn't looking to be governor, how he really can use his bullet bully pulpit to protect the guys that are trying to put forward good bills, and I don't know if you have paid attention to it, but uh in the last week or two, Blue Cross Blue Shield in Alabama is trying to get a which is a non-profit, and a couple of weeks ago they got uh well a couple of years ago, they got permission to hide their books so that they don't we don't we we don't get access to what this nonprofit uh executive team makes or what they're spending.
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  Yeah.
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  And this is the kind of thing that just on the surface I mean they they've made a move recently that they've made a re move recently to try to become a holding company.
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  You know, when I first saw that um it sounds benign, but there's got to be a reason that they're doing it, if that makes sense.
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  And yeah, of course, the obvious the blues across the country uh recently lost a 13-year-unning legal case, and they're having to come up with a lot of money to pay for it.
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  And this holding company idea is just insane because what uh the senators didn't know that when they unanimously passed it, supposedly, even though talking to one of the senators, it was not unanimous, but the way games are played in there, they said that it was.
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  But the this nonprofit company is trying to put forward uh get a uh allowance so that they can move billions of dollars potentially.
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  Uh one guy told me that it might be up to four billion.
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  It's just an insane idea, but they can move a huge chunk of money over to a holding company and then earn money and keep that money in their holding company.
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  Well, I have USA uh insurance in a lot of ways, not um and then tri care, but uh it'd be like USA not giving us a dividend check at the end of the year, like several other Alpha and others give uh rebates at the end of the year uh when it wasn't in most years they give rebates.
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  But um Yeah, because when they technically on those kind of things, if you collect more money than you need for proceeds, then you have to push it back out to the to the holders of that.
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  Nonprofit, right?
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  And so uh nobody has gotten rebates from Alabama.
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  Uh Alabama is a unique market because Blue Cross does 90% of the somebody told me 80, somebody told me 95%, but it's a unique uh state in that it really isn't a second player.
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  And so uh the way they these big mules, and they're a dozen or so, and Blue Cross is one of them, get away with all this is because they just sneak in a bill, and the senators say, okay, or the House is voting on it this week.
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  Hopefully, there's been such uh exposure that they will fight it and buck it.
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  Oh Lord, please.
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  But um, that's kind of the game.
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  If one of the big mules wants something done, they can uh uh slip it through.
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  You and I want a reasonable uh bill passed, and it takes years.
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  It's uh it's very unfortunate.
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  But um that's a very opaque system in many ways.
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  It's very opaque.
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  Yeah.
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  Um how things move, and then even kind of the way the session works is there's not really good um visibility into what's going on.
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  Um, you know, there's not necessarily news media that care about what happens in state politics, but on top of that, even news and media that probably understands what's happening in state politics.
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  Yeah.
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  So in some ways, the only people that you have to protect you are those your representative, but it may be the attorney general, which is another reason that uh it's an important position in our state.
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  The um and so as the presiding officer who doesn't want to be governor with a podcast like this that can explain it.
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  This guy really is uh helping to um this senator I spoke to on the trail last week, really appreciates the uh benefit of it because I'll be able to help.
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  The good guys, uh, and most of the Republicans, like I've said before, I think the large majority of Republicans running for office intended the do the right thing, but they're like the doctors that are co-opted into a bad system, and so it blocks them from having uh the ability to do what they know they need to be focused on.
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  But uh the other thing is our sense state senators almost all of them have one secretary between two senators, so they really have no staff to help them understand all the complexities of what's going on, and I think that's a major issue.
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  Uh so uh anyway, so with the acknowledgement of uh it just needs to be done.
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  Uh I think by far and away the one of the things I said to the group in Birmingham, the GOP was um there was a famous uh there was an important article that came out February 19th in the Cook Political Report, which an insiders um uh insiders insiders trade magazine, if you will, for lobbyists and politicians out of DC, and it showed and it said, yeah, people are worried about affordability, and I'm looking, and that's part of my campaign as well, looking at affordability.
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  But uh the other is that the people don't trust that the government has their best interests at heart because it's ruled by elites, and that's clearly clearly the case in Alabama with the 12 big mules, but obviously what Epstein files have revealed about our federal government, it is a massive cartel almost that uh that's why we're at 40 trillion dollars in debt.
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  Uh the Medicaid, I think uh the Medicaid uh abuse that uh that's been revealed in Minnesota and Los Angeles and Medicare abuse.
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  I think Alabama's got a big problem with it too.
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  We're gonna find out uh because RFK has said they're gonna investigate all the uh states, not just red states or blue states, all of them.
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  And uh it's gonna be interesting to see what the next attorney general does in regards to posturing what is his or her posture is gonna be toward uh taking it seriously.
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  Uh I would encourage them to do so because the lack of trust in our government cannot be uh it's you can't run a family this way, you can't run a church and organization or whatever this way with this perpetual distrust at all time low levels the last 15 years.
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  And so Yeah, look at luckily in Alabama we didn't um expand Medicaid, so that was you know, hopefully our fraud is we still probably got plenty of it, but it's not to the extent of some of the states that um really went crazy uh with expanding Medicaid to people that really again Medicaid is a program for the needy um or people that have no access or disabled, and in a lot of these states that wasn't the case on who's getting it or access to it.
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  Yeah, and um Senator Ron Johnson, the wonderful Senator Ron Johnson in his investigations committee hearing, he's at I think three or four, at least three, maybe four by now, in the last five months, he's had uh investigations into Obamacare and what it leads to, and uh it's the whole system is broken, and nobody's really looking to address the underlying rot.
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  Uh all they're wanting the federal government to do is to create more debt.
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  And the states really have a lot of debt that's hidden too, that's uh very unfortunate.
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  You know, like for example, the public employees retirement systems of Alabama get a guaranteed eight percent return, and uh Alabama Power gets a 12% guaranteed rate of return.
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  And uh these kind of contracts that were worked, you know, forever how long ago they were put into place really are not uh or not fair.
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  Um that's just that simple, it's not fair.
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  And uh the retirement systems of Alabama certainly has a lot of clout.
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  Uh I don't know if you knew this or not, but Alabama next year is gonna have a new statehouse building.
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  Uh they're tearing down the old thing that they're in.
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  And uh guess who the legislature is going to be renting its space from the retirement system.
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  Probably from RSA.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And yet they bail them out to hundreds of dollars.
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  Well, every year that we bail our legislature bails them out on the shortage of hundreds of millions of dollars.
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  And uh it's amazing.
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  No other company we reward them with uh with uh the uh taking the taking ownership of the physical facilities that in many ways will always be paid by the citizens of Alabama.
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  That's right.
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  Yeah, well um and it's gonna be massive.
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  It's a huge facility that's gonna give increase their space a ton.
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  And uh these types of meetings I don't knock, I don't know.
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  Uh me and you have been down to the um current facilities and they almost kind of remind me of uh a weird like college that was built in the 60s.
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  Um and so I'm not I'm not saying that they don't need a new physical facility, it's just interesting, first of all, how they did it and then also how much it cost.
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  So as typical.
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  Yeah, lo and behold, it costs more than they initially projected.
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  Anyways, uh so we'll be renting for the rest of our lives from RSA.
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  But uh I'm sure there were guarantees a lot of people.
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  It's not unusual.
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  I think RSA owns the building uh in Montgomery that I think most of a lot of these administrative agencies uh rent from the Department of Funding, yada yada yada.
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  So um so the idea is just to give light to the citizens about what's going on.
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  And at the same time, as uh you've read in history books and uh biographies and things like that.
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  One of the key things a leader does is protect his subordinates.
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  Um that's what I would hope to do is uh give the guys that want to do good things uh cover uh so that they can do them and exposing the the bad things so that the people that have been doing them might think again and back away from them so that the good things can get done because there's only a finite amount of time that the legislature's in session.
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  And so uh then affordability.
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  I don't know if you knew in 2018 they passed the gas tax in our state, and at that time it was set at 18 cents, and now it's up to 30 per 30 cents, but there's no cap to the uh increase.
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  And uh people think that okay, well, it's two or three bucks or more a gallon uh uh I mean to fill up my car every time.
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  But really, no, no, it's a lot more costly than that because every goods and service that company just passes that cost on to the uh consumers.
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  And so uh it's a lot more than just a couple of bucks every time you go fill up your gas uh that's spread throughout the economy.
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  Um but we've just got to get the exposure, I think.
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  Anybody that's and uh in regards to that, and going all over the state and talking to people of all stripes, uh I think people in Montgomery inherently understand how corrupt it is, but they've kind of gotten become a prisoner of it and just think this is normal.
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  Well, my time on the ethics commission, I learned a lot about the corruption in Alabama, and Alabama is one of the worst most corrupt states in the country.
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  And boy, howdy, we just need people that are willing to sacrifice to serve the people rather than look to get re-elected every time.
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  And I think it's uh high time, pastime for somebody to do this because everybody that runs for lieutenant governor usually wants to be the governor, and so they uh they don't use the bully pulpit like they should or could.
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  Now, sometimes they they will, but uh not near as often as they could or should.
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  Yeah, to me, the um again, I mean, as as conservatives as our state supposedly is, um it goes both ways.
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  The corruption, even in a conservative state, if everybody um doesn't pay attention to it or there's no you know, there's there's no transparency, corruption can go to what we would consider the right guys, but it's not still corruption.
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  And uh you're up in Birmingham.
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  A big report came out finally last week.
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  Uh Senator Dan Roberts kind of spearheaded the effort a couple of years ago to change the board of back in I think the 90s or 2000s, uh the water board there, the water uh works in Birmingham was at that time the largest bankruptcy in the country's history.
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  And um so finally, 20 years later or whatever, they uh got through a bill that changed the structure, and a report came out last week showing how awful, how corrupt the people running that place were.
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  And the old lawyer in charge said, Well, this is something that they're just gonna have to deal with.
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  In other words, uh I'm out of that or I'm out of that orbit of that, so um nothing.
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  I can do nothing, you know, water under the bridge.
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  Y'all just deal with the mess we created.
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  And it was very offensive, of course, because these people do not uh are never held to account, virtually never held to account.
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  And uh the Waterworks Board, I don't know how you get anything out of your tap up there if you're in Birmingham.
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  But um Yeah, well, I think it uh it also showed I think it over 50% of the water they supposedly produce is never charged for yeah, it's an interesting thing too.
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  It's hard to run.
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  Yeah.
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  So we are back continuing to discuss with uh Stuart Tankersley, Dr.
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  Stuart Tankersley, um who is currently going to be running for lieutenant governor of the state of Alabama.
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  And um a couple other things that are happening in the state that are not necessarily medical, but are definitely important in how society functions and the interest that might arise.
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  Um one of those is the gambling interest.
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  Those are always present, even down at the State House for multiple reasons.
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  And those are in the context of Indian tribes that have uh have a lot of uh you know a lobbyist uh looking out for their interests, but uh it is just a small portion of what would be the case if uh things change that uh a lot of our current state is looking into.
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  So, Stuart, give me a little uh overview of that.
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  Yeah, so uh of the dozen or so gambling um big mules, what are called big mules in our state that I was mentioning last uh segment, uh the uh Indians uh who have several um casinos in our state on their tribal lands, uh operate illegally in our state, but because they're on their tribal lands, they get to uh continue for whatever reason.
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  And so um now they're trying they're pushing for a big uh push for or they're paying, they have big time lobbyists.
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  The last two years have got some of the biggest names in lobbying in Alabama uh supporting them, obviously they're paying them a lot of money.
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  But the fact is that here's the simple truth.
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  Number one, it's a mood issue in large regard because uh anybody can get on their phone or tablet or whatever and gamble any time day or night, in my opinion.
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  But if you allow the gambling cartels, international gambling cartels to come in here, if we allow, and this is from the uh chief justice of the sp of Alabama Supreme Court.
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  If you allow any form legalize any form of game of chance, then it automatically opens the door for any other forms.
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  And so therefore we will have uh international gambling cartels come in and they will have number one, they don't produce anything of value, but they uh and a lot of the money goes out of the state, of course, but they will have more money than the other 11 big mules combined, and they will rule our state with an iron fist, and they will pay off these legislature legislators to do a lot of uh bad things, I perceive uh I believe.
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  Uh so uh hopefully they will block this this year in the State House.
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  And it just goes back to the common sense idea that wait a minute, do we really want to allow international gambling cartels to be in charge of our legislature?
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  And it's a simple no for me because uh it's so obvious the corruption that they bring.
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  But um, and it's not it's not obvious.
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  It's not just obvious because I think they will.
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  If you look at what they've done, there are many, many reports and uh and things, partly an institute and other other thing, uh, other entities, Eagle Forum talk about have the hard data showing the lack of benefit these play people bring.
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  And I think that the hope that they guarantee is two or hundred 200 to 300 million dollars in revenue to the state for the kids always, right?
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  And uh it's uh very unfortunate, and I hope that we can block them because we just we have enough problems and to invite their leadership and control is just anathema to freedom in my opinion.
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  But yeah, I mean it it's it's it's seductive because most people think, oh, it's just gambling.
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  Um, but I think the issue is is the influence and first of all, the rot that it you know usually uh causes, especially within lower income communities.
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  Um, but and then on top of that, just the influence that they have.
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  And what's weird, I go around the state uh I've been talking for years a lot of things.
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  The old yeah.
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  I've I've been going around the state talking to a lot of different groups and everything, and uh they're oblivious, like I was mentioning to how corrupt it is here.
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  And uh everybody agrees with what I'm saying.
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  What I'm saying makes a lot of sense.
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  Of course, not yeah, it's just people that are looking out for the best interest of the long term, best interest of our state are uh uh well aware of this, but it's uh what they're gonna try and do is rather than vote for it, they're gonna say, well, let's pass a uh let's allow the people to vote on it.
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  And they have these 70% of people want to be able to vote for it.
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  And it's really the other moral issue is it's so detrimental to the poor.
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  They're preying on the poor people, of course, to the poor um for this, and uh it's just you know there it's a lose-lose situation.
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  But uh people around the state, businessmen, successful businessmen, they just are the oblivious if you don't live in Montgomery to how bad the system is, and when you explain it to them, they just shake their head like there's no hope for you know, kind of like we have toward DC.
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  There's no hope for there to be an opportunity for people of good intent to have any real control over uh so much.
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  And um, it's just time for people to wake up and say push back against.
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  But when they did this, had this vote in 1998 before the election, before the uh proposal, the constitutional amendment that they voted on back in 98 that we voted on that uh supposedly it was uh two to one four, and only, you know, in other words, uh a th only a third of people were against that constitutional amendment vote.
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  Well, lo and behold, they lost 5545, and uh, you know, the the deception is rampant and un
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  And just it's a bit just classic for what's going on in the lack of trust in the government, but it's going to be a major, major problem.
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  And so my some of my opponents have said that we want to uh promote Alabama values.
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  Um they want to protect Alabama values.
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  I I take a different perspective.
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  I don't think we want to protect Alabama values as much as we want to project them.
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  We want to take a positive uh affirming way of looking at what government needs to do in order to help the citizens versus just try and hold the ground.
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  I want to be offensive on it and rather than defensive in my posture toward these types of ideas.
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  And I think that's a fundamental difference between me and my opponents in the lieutenant governor's race.
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  Um but you know, some sad silly games are being played, and uh I hope we can escape them because if we don't, it is going to be massively uh disappointing for our children and grandchildren.
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  We've got to just turn turn the ship, and uh I'm looking forward to helping with that.
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  Yeah, go ahead.
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  Keep on going.
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  I was just saying uh uh so I mentioned earlier that the people that are in elected officials uh elected positions get to travel and campaign on our dime, if you will.
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  But um the system's really rigged uh in a way that's unfortunate that uh the people that are in the system that get the big backing from the big mules, if you will, uh they've been in the positions.
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  Um I mean, it's technically legal, but they get the big money support, and uh but the good news is the cost of running a campaign now compared to just eight or ten years ago with uh media is um is easier and with you know uh websites decentralized to this, which is helpful.
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  Right, and I learned that uh five thousand dollar contribution buys I think like three or four hundred thousand texts and certainly anybody, and I'm sure you've gotten in the past hundreds of little flyers about candidates that come through the mail, but uh probably most of them don't make it to the inside the house, they go into the uh trash can.
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  Uh but um and again on another side of that is the lack of uh viewership, if you will, of the traditional big mainstream media outlets, so you don't have to perpetually run expensive uh TV ads that you know allows the less connected, if you will, to um have you know to get the their message out, and I'm looking forward next to Monday, Tuesday beginning next week uh to start pushing out our platforms, and um it's gonna be good.
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  Hopefully, the message will get through, and I think uh the answer is gonna be hopefully good Lord Willing will win without a runoff.
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  We'll see.
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  But um, yeah, the message.
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  Well, one of the things I said to the groups last week in Birmingham at the GOP winter meeting was that in the past, recent past at least, money connections and stage presence has determined who gets to take seat in office.
• 33:56
  But I think more importantly, that we need to go with integrity, and then from if the candidates proven integrity, then um their resume and platform should be the winning uh keys to who we elect.
• 34:11
  And that's what I hope is going to happen because the uh big mules certainly aren't going to be coming out in support of a candidate that's looking certain to that's guaranteed to uh change the dynamics, yeah.
• 34:25
  The accountability, if you will.
• 34:30
  What is your biggest gap in terms of that?
• 34:33
  I mean what what's what's going to separate you?
• 34:36
  I mean, obviously integrity, but I think you've already ethics commission uh my time on the ethics commission and what I revealed.
• 34:44
  I was told by the director of the ethics commission when I was on it that uh I was the conscience of the commission, and uh reporter, a liberal reporter named uh Bill Britt, who owns AL reporter, I think is his website.
• 35:01
  If people go on that website and type in tankersly, there was a four-part expose on that, and then one of the one of the writers for the former Birmingham News, now AL.com, Archibald wrote uh two Sunday editions back in 2017, his front page two consecutive Sunday editions of things that I exposed on my way out the door that were just so upsetting and really sad.
• 35:30
  And um, you know, it's just uh I think my in my time in the uh military serving um I reached uh a colonel, 18 years is the quickest you can reach that, and I just did the job the best I could, did three deployments, I enlisted originally, and uh the the lessons I learned in leadership in the military, um, you know, integrity is central to leadership uh to effective leadership that will stand the test of time.
• 36:02
  And we unfortunately have a lot of people that have bought in, and I don't think they intentionally understand what they've done, like I was mentioning earlier, but I think that they uh they get co-opted into a broken system.
• 36:13
  And then of course, you're in my position as the leading voice of sanity the last six years of COVID.
• 36:20
  Uh when our profession lost its ever loving mind, we uh we stood with integrity because we valued truth and we valued uh the perpetuation of uh against the in.
• 36:38
  And so I think that, and you know, if you got a 40-year-old who's been in politics for, for example, for 15 years, what type of realities he understand outside of that of the political games have been forced on us.
• 36:55
  I just think it's a no-brainer.
• 36:57
  Uh so you know, though those, and then my two met my two or three main messages with affordability, accountability in our government, and then uh make Alabama healthy again.
• 37:09
  I don't I can't imagine three better fundamental issues to run on.
• 37:14
  And uh look, you know, yeah, who's been in it for 20 years.
• 37:18
  I just think that they have a hard time understanding the uh jaundice eye with which the public views them through, and it's hard for them, it's gonna be really hard for them to uh to try and you know they have they ever signed the back of a paycheck, you know.
• 37:33
  Um I mean the front of a paycheck, and so um I think that the answers are obvious.
• 37:41
  Yeah.
• 37:42
  Um and so I think it's a the question, the the differences are stark, and so I hope that you know we get the message out, and it's up to us to get that done.
• 37:54
  And I think it's uh gonna be very successful uh campaign.
• 37:58
  Unfortunately, I heard that Scott Jensen in Minnesota last month dropped out of his governorship race, and so I'm the highest ranking Maha candidate in the country, and so hopefully we can get the message out to our group as well throughout the country for support.
• 38:15
  Um nothing, you know, after all, our constitution on life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, life that requires health, and so uh we're gonna change the dynamics in significant ways with that.
• 38:28
  And uh that and the affordability issue with uh the debt of our nation, but also I've learned recently about the debt within our state that's in, and I hope that uh the fraud that they've demonstrated we can go aggressively after that, and uh it's sad for people that are trapped in fraud activity, but they need to pay the price, and so um, yeah, it's uh gonna be fun and exciting going all over the state and talking to a lot of people.
• 38:57
  You'll love this.
• 38:58
  So um a couple of weeks ago there was a very, very big event here in town with uh 350 people who are very knowledgeable about what's going on, who are not elected officials.
• 39:09
  They hosted an event here, and uh afterwards I was talking to several of the people and uh it was interesting.
• 39:18
  I didn't know who I was talking to, of course, but these two ladies in for these organizations got to talk to them separately one-on-one, and for 10 minutes, 15 minutes, and afterwards it was very interesting.
• 39:32
  They both looked at me and basically said the same thing.
• 39:35
  Wow, you listen to people.
• 39:37
  I was like, well, yes, ma'am, I do that all day long, like you do, Jordan.
• 39:42
  And uh that spoke a lot to me as to what these people expect out of our political leaders.
• 39:49
  They don't expect them to listen, they just expect them to say, okay, yeah, I'll I'll do the best I can, you know, and move on, but they're not genuine.
• 39:57
  And hopefully uh that.
• 40:00
  Well, also in my connections, you know, they'll people understand.
• 40:04
  Hey, this guy really wants to listen to people and get different ideas, and it goes back to what you and I have been saying from the beginning about COVID, which is where in the world, what happened to dialogue?
• 40:14
  We thought that was fundamental to science, but the uh the established powers that they do not like dialogue.
• 40:21
  And it's very indicative of where we are in this culture, and I'm hopeful that uh we're we're getting out of that trap.
• 40:31
  Great.
• 40:32
  All right.
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• 43:34
  In an interesting development today, a district judge has applied a temporary restraining order to the ASIP committee, the association on immunization practices.
• 43:54
  Again, in a weird wacko world that we live in.
• 44:00
  U.S.
• 44:01
  District Judge Brian Murphy of Boston has inserted himself between the elected executive branch and its constitutional authority to govern, issuing a sweeping injunction that blocks HHS Secretary RFK Jr.
• 44:16
  from implementing common sense reform to the nation's childhood vaccine advisory structure.
• 44:22
  Welcome back to America Outloud Pulse with Dr.
• 44:27
  Jordan Vaughn and Dr.
• 44:28
  Stuart Tankersley.
• 44:31
  So it is fascinating as we already had one delay in the ASIP meeting that was scheduled for February.
• 44:42
  It is now or was on for this Thursday and Friday, but it itself has also been postponed.
• 44:49
  And in a sense, we have a judge that feels that he has the power to basically provide relief to the American Academy of Pediatrics.
• 45:02
  And in many ways, just the fact that they American Academy of Pediatrics was given standing was a problem in itself.
• 45:13
  But you know when they were given standing that this was going to be a problem.
• 45:18
  But the court stays.
• 45:20
  Again, Brian Murphy, a judge in Boston, who, by the way, has been reprimanded by the Supreme Court at least twice recently for his quite interesting opinions on whether deportations are allowed.
• 45:41
  Has now inserted himself once again.
• 45:45
  Basically says the court stays the January 2026 memo, revising the CDC's childhood immunization schedule.
• 45:52
  And the court stays the appointment of 13 ASIP members appointed on June 11th, September 11th, and January 13th, and the court further stays all votes taken by the now stayed ASIP.
• 46:08
  So the question is.
• 46:11
  Again, in Bizarro World, we have what historically was supposed to be the arbiter of what the court said.
• 46:21
  Now the court is telling who the arbiter can be.
• 46:26
  And again, this is such an interesting reversal.
• 46:30
  But again, I think it will be appealed and struck down.
• 46:34
  But in the short term, this has some quite interesting consequences.
• 46:40
  What was leaked earlier in the week was what the committee was going to be discussing.
• 46:48
  And that gives you even more fuel to realize that this is in many ways the big interest stepping in and helping uh helping the decisions be made.
• 47:05
  So again, the ruling, which freezes both the revised immunization schedule and Kennedy's reconstitution of the advisory committee on immunization practices, or ASIP.
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  Latest episode of a Troubling Pattern, a midnight Biden appointee wielding judicial power as a political weapon against a duly elected administration.
• 47:27
  Again, as we talked about a second ago, Judge Murphy's record speaks for itself.
• 47:31
  In the spring of 2025, he issued a preliminary injunction blocking the Trump administration from deporting violent criminal aliens to third countries.
• 47:40
  Not the country necessarily that they came from.
• 47:43
  The Supreme Court stayed that injunction by a vote of six to three.
• 47:47
  Murphy simply declared that a separate remedial order he had issued was unaffected by the high court's ruling and continued to block the deportation.
• 47:55
  Supreme Court was forced to rebuke him a second time by a remarkable 7 at 2 margin, warning that further defiance would not be tolerated.
• 48:03
  In fact, Justin Justice Elaida Kagan, a liberal, joined the majority rebuke.
• 48:08
  Even the court's most left-winging members could not defend what Murphy had done.
• 48:13
  So this same judge has turned his sights on public health policy, an area squarely within the executive's discretionary authority.
• 48:22
  Kennedy exercising his statutory prior powers as HHS secretary took two reasonable and defensible actions.
• 48:30
  First, he removed and replaced the members of the ASIP.
• 48:35
  You'll remember this was done in January, September, and most recently, some appointees appointed in January.
• 48:42
  And second, although he oversaw a revision of the childhood immunization schedule, reducing the number of recommended vaccines from 17 to 11.
• 48:50
  Actions were consistent with the administration's mandate to scrutinize federal health policy.
• 48:57
  Murphy found this process likely violated the Federal Advisory Committee Act, and that bypassing ASIP when revising the schedule was arbitrary and capricious.
• 49:08
  But as legal reasoning deserves scrutiny.
• 49:11
  The Secretary of HHS has broad authority to manage the department's advisory function.
• 49:20
  So again, this is a setback for Maha.
• 49:30
  It's a setback for a lot of what we had been doing, and most importantly, it's a setback for the vaccine injured.
• 49:37
  Because what was coming in what had been leaked was that there was a report that was going to outline not only ICD-10 codes for vaccine injury, but diagnostics for taking care of the vaccine injury, injured, and also a surveillance program.
• 50:00
  In some ways, modeled after childhood cancer surveillance to look after and actually figure out what was going on in the vaccine injured community.
• 50:12
  So the vaccine injured are the biggest, the biggest knocks in this world.
• 50:19
  So the practice, practical consequences of money's ruling are serious.
• 50:24
  ASIP's scheduled meeting this week to discuss COVID-19 vaccines has been canceled.
• 50:29
  The revised immunization schedule, which Kennedy's team developed after deliberate review process is frozen.
• 50:34
  The administration is once again forced to litigate basic questions of executive authority before a single district court judge in Boston who has demonstrated more than once that he's willing to push past the limits of his authority to achieve policy outcomes he prefers.
• 50:50
  HHS signaled it will appeal promptly and it should, given the Supreme Court's prior willingness to intervene swiftly, and Murphy's ruling an emergency application for stay is entirely appropriate.
• 51:05
  This again represents a serious effort to apply rigorous scrutiny to vaccine recommendations that have gone largely in question for decades, which Kennedy's reforms were doing.
• 51:19
  Whether one agrees with the underlying policy or not, the process by which a duly confirmed cabinet secretary manages his department's advisory structures is not properly a matter for a Boston district court to veto.
• 51:32
  This again is a problem.
• 51:34
  And reading through his opinion is as little as I've been able to read through it.
• 51:39
  It is again an opinion that is ideological.
• 51:46
  It is not based on the facts, it is not based on what's happening, and it is definitely something that was orchestrated and pressured from those within.
• 52:10
  Uh in itself is a problem.
• 52:13
  But also that this ruling comes days before the meeting also shows that there is something else afoot.
• 52:24
  That there are interest behind the scenes that do not want to address the issue and do not want to be held accountable.
• 52:34
  And that worries me, but it also worries me in regards to how our system functions.
• 52:42
  But as someone who is somewhat on the inside part of these deliberations, it is in many ways frustrating, and also again reminds me that how government works is not the way that we think.
• 53:32
  So again, it is we are in a world where these judicial activist judges, like Judge Brian Murphy, are now the arbiters of what truth is, and they are the arbiters of what expertise is.
• 53:57
  This was frustrating at the time when these same judges were deferring their opinions to the expertise at the CDC and HHS during the rollout and forced vaccination and mandatory compulsory vaccinations for jobs, for entry, for uh immigration, for all of these things.
• 54:23
  Yet now when the policy is in disagrees with maybe their underlying ideology, ideology, sorry, they go the other direction, which shows that they are spineless, that they lack integrity, and there is no character in these judicial activists.
• 54:46
  Because it is one thing to defer to expertise, but it is another when the expertise that you deferred to changes to have a different opinion than you do as a judge, and then all of a sudden it isn't deferred to their expertise, but instead it's to question expertise in general.
• 55:08
  So we are living again in a world where judges are deciding what truth is, what expertise is.
• 55:48
  And instead, all those votes on the prevailing science of the day have now been reversed because one guy named Brian Edward Murphy decided that what he thought was important is what's important.
• 56:08
  And I guess in many ways, the biggest question is how many times can this judge get reversed in one year?
• 56:15
  Says the same day he stayed for repeatedly refusing to follow the law, he issues another activist decision.
• 56:25
  So again, he actually was stayed on the same day that he released this opinion.
• 56:32
  How embarrassing that is for the judicial system.
• 56:37
  And with that, again, this is Dr.
• 56:39
  Jordan Vaughn, Dr.
• 56:40
  Stuart Tankersley with America Out Loud Pulse, always one beat ahead.