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September 14, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

• 0:28
  SPEAKER_13: Already had as many touchdowns as week one as he had the entire year last year.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_02: I had uh checked it out of the game probably about midway through the third.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it was the start of the third.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: The NASCAR race was going on at the same time.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I had been switching uh back and forth only to have the NASCAR race end.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: My boy Bowman came in seconds, very emotional second for him.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'll explain why in just a moment.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_02: And then I go to the Vikings game to watch the end and realize that they basically had trounced the Green Bay back.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: After the uh the the coverage of the game had talked about his past injuries too, it was just oh, that was uh that was a bit well, you know, I say heartbreaking, but then Carson Wentz came in and got the uh got the job done.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: I was thinking um about Devin, producer Devin, quite a bit during the uh the game yesterday.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: I assume you were you were watching the.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_03: I was absolutely watching.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was a little worried there for a while.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't think uh I didn't I didn't think the Vikings.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: It was a slow start.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: It took a took him a while to get going, but that was good.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: So here's the question I have for you.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um as we kick off Monday's show, and I'm glad you're with us.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: It is the John Justice show.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: I am, of course, your host, John Justice.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, thanks for uh being here.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we'll get into what to expect on Monday's show in uh in just a minute.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: But the question I have for you, uh resident sports expert, certainly more so than I am.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um so do they keep so I know that I know that Kyler's out with a concussion.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: So he's gonna be out for at least a week, at least.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: You'd think.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if not more, I would imagine I would imagine.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I assume, but here's the question.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_02: So when when he gets, when Murray gets better, do you put him back in or do you keep I guess it depends on how Carson Wentz does the next game or two, you think?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_03: Probably.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's gotta be brutal for Kyler, man, to have to have Carson go.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean Carson's a good quarterback, though.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: So well, you know, I would be remiss if I didn't talk a little bit about the Vikings and that massive vote win uh yesterday.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, you heard uh a friend of mine, friend of the show, uh Paul Allen, uh, who was having a another fantastic game uh yesterday on the show this morning.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Andrew Langer, the president of the Institute for Liberty, will be joining us at 6:30.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we have a couple of uh recaps of the midterm Republican National Convention last week.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_02: Andrew Langer will be one of them.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: He he was there.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and Representative Tom Emmer will be joining us to share his thoughts coming up at uh 8 o'clock this morning.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: Also, policy fellow Bill Glaun will be joining us on the sofa here in the center of the American Experiment Studio coming uh up today at uh 8:30.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_02: Fraud continues in a really interesting expose in the Minneapolis Star Tribune over the weekend, wherein they do this critical sort of deep dive into Governor Dim Walls and the lack of accountability and responsibility from Dim Walls.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: But there is no mention of Peggy Flanagan in the article.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and it seems pretty clear that the piece exists for one reason and one reason only, and that is for Governor Dim Walls to continue to take the fall for the fraud while trying to shield Flanagan and Amy Klobuchar from any sort of responsibility.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_02: Now, this piece does not help Peggy Flanagan by any stretch.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, she was the lieutenant governor during which all of this was happening, and I don't know how you know much people are going to be extrapolating that out and making the connection, but there's no there's no escaping that at all.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: But a really interesting piece in the Star Tribune, so we will talk with uh Bill Glaun about that uh issue again uh this morning.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: He'll be joining us live at uh 8:30.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: You can check out some recent articles of Bill's at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: Also something that we'll get into further detail coming up uh after 7 o'clock, but um terrifying situation over the weekend.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_02: Republican Representative Tom Tiffany, who would just have been on the show Thursday last week.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: If you missed it, be sure to check out the podcast on whatever podcast platform you use or on the Mix LR app.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but the Republican nominee for Wisconsin governor says that he is recovering after the plane he was riding on lost power and made an emergency landing in Lake Wausau on Saturday.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: He posted shortly after he and the pilot reached uh safety on social media.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: He wrote that he was they were approaching the Wausaw downtown airport.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: The pilot made an emergency landing on the lake.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: As the aircraft began to sink, Tiffany said that he and the pilot swam to a shallow area where first responders rescued them by uh by boat.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll have um, as I mentioned, further audio uh to share.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_02: I do want to um share with you just one of the brief comments that uh Representative Tom Tiffany made uh when he was talking to the press after this crash.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and again, appears to uh hold back tears.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_02: Just an incredibly emotional moment uh for the uh gubernatorial candidate is in Wisconsin.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_28: We are just really fortunate.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_28: We're really fortunate that God is looking after us last night.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just an absolutely terrifying situation.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, listen, kudos and a hat tip to that pilot for being able to successfully land uh on that uh on that lake.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: And like I said, we will get into further details of that coming up uh later on in the show.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: There was a there was a post that went viral, and I don't know which way I go on it.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: There was a reporter out of Wisconsin who did a did a write-up on the event with Tom Tiffany, and she worded in the article that the lake is only 30 feet deep.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people took that negatively, saying that she was downplaying the severity of what had happened, meaning it was only 30 feet deep of water.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: She contends that she didn't mean that at all, meaning that she was just simply pointing out that it wasn't a very deep lake, and that if, you know, depending on how little water there was, it could have been much, much worse if they had hit, you know, if they had hit terrain that was under the water when they, when they when they landed.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: I, you know, I don't know.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people she ended up deleting the post and ultimately ended up um surprising uh she ended up uh she ended up apologizing, excuse me, uh, for the uh for the comment.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but I don't know, I don't know which way to take it.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: And it's kind of it's kind of neither here nor there.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I it would have been pretty egregious if she meant that as a negative.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't think she was thinking about the the nature of what her of how her comment would uh would have been taken.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: And clearly, a lot of people are on edge right now.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: We'll just say that.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: Probably the understatement of the morning.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people on edge right now.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: Things are gonna get wacky.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're past the 25th anniversary of 9-11.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we are now, what, less than 50 days until the midterms?
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just expect, and we have examples of this coming up in the hour.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: Just expect that things are gonna get a little bit, a little bit nutty over the course of the next 50 days, and of course, we will be with you every single step of the way here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 8:42
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• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: That number is 651-964-0294.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, 651-964-0294.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: Again, leave us a voice or uh text to message.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: I got a text message that just came in, Devin.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_02: I missed the Vikings game.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: Where could I see or read a good recap of it?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um Devin, do you have any suggestions?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_03: YouTube usually posts some highlights.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: Any of the, I mean, any all the local media outlets have, you know, depending on what you're it's not an alpha news or American experiment, I'll tell you that much, but I know if you go to KSTP or Fox 9 or even the Star Tribune or, you know, Google in general.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: Google in general, you could probably, probably, probably find that.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, I shouldn't pick.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: I I appreciate the fact that you're listening and you're looking for a recap of the game.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: It was a great game and one certainly worthy of recapping.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go that route.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: All right, speaking of airlines and disasters, Amazon has paused operations with 21, uh, with 21 air.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's the cargo carrier of the Amazon branded plane that crashed in Miami, tragically killing five uh people.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the crash, which involved a 32-year-old Boeing 767 300 freighter.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: After the tragic incident last week, we spent time supporting the investigation and reviewing some of the surrounding circumstances and decided to pause our operations with 21 Air.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_02: Probably a good idea.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: The operator of Flight 7598, according to an Amazon spokesperson, the NTSB, which is investigating the crash, said last week that the pilots of the Amazon Prime cargo uh plane considered aborting the landing after the aircraft touched down, citing evidence from the flight data recorder, and then they didn't, and it was too late.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: One of the pilots cautioned that they were flying too fast, just over a minute before touching down on the runway, that they overran.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: We remain focused on supporting the families and the loved ones who were impacted by this accident, as well as working closely with the NTSB and all our partners like Amazon.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: As the investigation continues, we are confident in our safety policies, procedures, and training.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: 21 Air said in a statement to Reuters.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm gonna venture a guess that 21 Air stocks probably are not doing very well right now.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I certainly would not want to be hiring them.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: One more airline-related story.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_02: I have thoughts.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: So uh law enforcement officers over the weekend.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_02: This is another flight.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: This was uh American Airlines flight 1779 from Baltimore to Miami over the weekend.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh law enforcement officers met the American Airlines flight upon its arrival at Miami International Airport.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: This happened late on Friday morning, following reports of a female passenger undressing and then behaving indecently, indecently mid-flight.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: I wish you could see the expression on producer Devin's face.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's right.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: She's having her own little mile high club, apparently.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Party of one.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: The American Airlines flight departed Washington, uh, Baltimore, Washington International, just before 9 p.m.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: on Friday, 9-11.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: Nearly two hours behind his scheduled departure time.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: Now maybe she was stressed.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Running behind.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: The flight landed in Miami at approximately 11 23 p.m.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: As the Airbus A319 was en route to Florida, flight attendants alerted the cockpit crew to a disturbance involving a passenger in row 9.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: According to the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, A cars, uh data logs show that the uh the lead flight attendant reported the female passenger in seat 90 had completely undressed and engaged in indecent acts in view of nearby passengers.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Wanted to put on a little show.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_02: I have a theory.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'll share with you my theory in a moment.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the ACAR's message stated the incident was required to be reported to American Airlines Integrated Operations Center, and that law enforcement should be requested during the flight.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: The flight continued to Miami without diverting.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of would hope so.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: Not really a not really only a danger to herself.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: Just let just just letting the joke filter catch all of them.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh they arrived at gate D2, Terminal N, according to the flight traffic trafficking uh software.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Air Live reported law enforcement officers were waiting at the gate and that the passenger was taken into custody.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: It remains unclear what specific measures cabin crew took during the flight to manage the disturbance.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: I would imagine the first thing to do would be to toss a blanket on her.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: Cover that.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: Cover that, cover that up.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: So here's my theory on this thing.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um I bet that we will uh end up uh finding out that uh she was uh filming what she was doing.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's my that's that's that's my guess.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: Either she was super drunk, I'll add that into the mix, super drunk, or uh she was filming it for social media, knowing that hey, perhaps the arrest would be worth it based off of the footage that she would uh that she would get.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Over the weekend, case in point, over the weekend, uh it was yesterday actually, Linda and I went uh and did some shopping, and we're driving home, and we are on the corner of uh 65 and 109th in Blaine, for those that are familiar with it.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: So this we were heading north, so this would have been the northeast corner of 109th and 65.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a dude, just a skinny tall dude, on the street corner, and he's just jumping around like a like a like a madman, just flaming his looks like he's dancing, might have had a boombox next to him on the on the side of the road.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but Melinda's on him and she just starts shaking her head.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I go, Yeah, what's up with that dude?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: I hope he's okay.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, Oh no, no, no, this is his gig.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: Apparently, she was Melinda was on some community social media pages for their area, and this guy makes the rounds.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_02: His mother had talked to somebody locally and said, Oh, yeah, that's my son.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so proud of him.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: He just wants to be famous.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: He's just dude's trying to go viral.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: As I often say when it comes to criminals, this rings true as well.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: This guy's gonna spend uh hours upon hours on a street corner trying to gain everybody's attention and to become famous.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: If he if he just were to apply himself to a regular job, I I I think he would find um maybe not fame, but at least he would find some success, I would imagine.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's my guess.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: So speaking of individuals, um, specifically attention seekers, I do have an update once again, because things just keep getting weirder, on the uh the Lindsey Clancy mistrial.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: So, one, as we announced to the breaking news on Friday show, uh, it turns out that the one male loan juror holdout ended up being a black man.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: And immediately the narrative shifted, and suddenly this guy became a target, and an attempt has been made to tear down any credibility that he has whatsoever.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: I want to share with you the details on this.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I have further audio of one of the jurors who's going on as many different news outlets as humanly possible.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: Again, clearly wanting attention.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: And based off the comments of this juror, it seems also clear to me that the jury was watching social media where they shouldn't have been.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: They were prohibited to.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I have audio to share uh coming up.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'll give you some more details on this.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, we'll hear from you as well via the blaster line.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: I see that the texts and the voice messages are already uh rolling in.
• 17:24
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• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna get an update from uh Alpha News on some of the stories you might have missed uh last week and uh through the uh through the weekend.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then we'll come back and I'll share with you the audio.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: Lindsay Clancy jury rabbit hole just keeps getting uh deeper in this news outlet in the area that has doxxed that one lone holdout uh juror.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't believe they've done the same with the rest of the jury, which I find rather interesting as well.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: So that's all coming up here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: I want to take a just a moment, though.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: We got the fall temperatures rolling around.
• 18:01
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• 18:03
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• 19:28
  SPEAKER_32: Here's a look at this week's top stories from Alpha News.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_32: A convicted sex offender, formerly employed by the state of Minnesota, has been released from ICE custody.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_32: Wilson Tindy was a former director at the Department of Education, despite his criminal record.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_32: An ICE spokesperson confirms Tindy from Kenya has been released from custody as his case progresses.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_32: U.S.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_32: District Judge Jerry Blackwell ordered Tindy's immediate release.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_32: Blackwell served on the state's prosecution team in the Derek Chauvin case.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_32: An Oakdale man was knocked unconscious and stomped by a group of young men at the Minnesota State Fair.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_32: Sammy Kimbrough suffered a broken jaw after what his fiance says began with an accidental bump in the crowded fair.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_32: After the bump, she says he was attacked by a group of about eight to twelve young men.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_32: No suspects were taken into custody the night of the attack.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_32: And on the podcast, a police expert blasts Minnesota politicians for, quote, lying to the public each and every day.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_32: Dr.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_32: Travis Yates spoke about how the Minneapolis Police Department has 55% fewer officers than before the George Floyd riots.
• 20:33
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• 20:36
  SPEAKER_32: And while you're there, watch a special tribute, 25 years later, to the victims of the 9-11 attacks put on by Providence Academy.
• 20:44
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• 20:45
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• 20:52
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• 20:55
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• 23:28
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• 23:36
  SPEAKER_22: This dude on the side of 65.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_22: He likes wearing white gloves.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_22: I think I saw him too.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_22: You know, I grew up here in the 80s.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_22: And there was just sod fields, maybe some woods.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_22: I missed those sod fields along 65.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_22: That's all it was.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_22: For miles and miles and miles.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_22: Have a great day.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_22: I know.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I listen, I don't want to cra I don't know how old this dude is who's doing his attempt at a viral dance and getting attention.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to disparage the guy too much.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: I just think that go and apply yourself.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to put forward that much energy, do it to something that at least has a better opportunity than attempting to go and make a name for yourself as a street corner dancer.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: Did you know that, like on average, and I don't know if this has changed, uh, this is a really, really old data point.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: This is probably, you know, probably 15, if not more years old.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: But I remember reading that when it came to uh panhandlers, you know, on average, some of them make between$20,000 and$30,000 a year.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: Just absolutely insane.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: Getting to the uh the woman who stripped down and uh got, I assume, freaky on that uh American Airlines flight.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_12: You've got to add a new rule to uh shoes and shirts required.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_12: Shoes, shirts, and pants required.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_12: I think they already want to post a noticing live entertainment on this flight.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty sure that's already a prerequisite.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think that I think they already have a rule regarding that.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for the uh comment here on the John Justice Show, courtesy of the blaster line, 651-964-0294.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: The a legacy media outlet may be in a bit of a bind after the investigation targeted just one of the jurors from the Lindsey Clancy murder trial, the lone holdout, who voted to convict.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: NBC News affiliate, NBC 10 in Boston published an exclusive on Friday outlining their investigation to the one juror, laying out a number of their findings and suggesting that it was possible that he should not have been allowed to serve on the jury.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, according to state law, Minnesota uh Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 268, Section 13B, it's the section that um covers crime of intimidating and retaliating against witnesses, jurors, and court officials.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: Whoever willfully, either directly or indirectly, threatens attempts or causes physical or emotional economic injury or property damage, or misleads or intimidates or harasses another person who is a juror with the intent to or with reckless disregard for the fact that it may punish harm or otherwise retaliate against the person described in this section.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: You can't go and do that.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: You could face 10 years of imprisonment fines up to thousands and thousands of dollars, and yet that did not stop NBC 10 from posting this story on Friday.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: And this was something on Freedom Friday that we did not go and predict.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I th I figured that there would be a level of shielding this individual would have received based on the identity politics of the left, but oh no, no, no, no, we went down the road of actually trying to discredit this guy according to the NBC Ten.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_34: NBC Ten Boston has discovered new details about the holdout juror from the Lindsey Clancy murder trial.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_34: Of course, that trial ended last week, deadlocked, no verdict, because of a loan holdout.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_34: Now, after the mistrial, our NBC Ten investigators pulled court records that were tied to that juror.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_34: And we found a 2021 charge for assaulting his wife that was later dismissed, an active restraining order that a nephew had taken out against him, and that has still been in effect even while he sat through weeks of testimony, and a pending eviction over unpaid rent.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_34: So, why does that matter to the trial?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_34: Well, before you're seated, you fill out a questionnaire.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_34: It asks whether you've been arrested, charged with a crime, or served with a court order.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_34: It says right here your experience with the law in MBC 10's legal analysis.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: By the way, this is so it subsequently I'll play you the rest of this in just a moment, but the unintended consequence of this is this particular reporter has now also been doxxed.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's not really the term I want to use, but just for the sake of the conversation, I'll use it.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: Her background has been looked into.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: And unsurprisingly, she's a radical leftist.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: When you go and look at her previous commentary with NBC News, it seems in an NBC 10 in Massachusetts, it seems pretty clear this woman is a bit is a lefty.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and I've pushed back for years on this idea that there is white systemic racism in the country or systemic racism in the country.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: There is racism.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: There will always be racism in the country.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: We used to be in a much better place than we are right now, but you know, thankfully the uh the terms of former President Barack Obama took care of that, and we don't need to go down that road.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: I've done this before.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Be that as it may, we may have a systemic racism problem in the country, but it's being perpetuated not by conservatives, it's being perpetuated by the left.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: There's no doxing of these other jurors.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: They only went after this one particular individual.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: And and listen, they already had plenty of time to do what NBC Ten is doing.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Plenty of time prior to the revelation that he happened to be a black man.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you tell me who are the real racists.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_34: And here's the part that's really worth knowing.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_34: If you answer this questionnaire falsely, it's a crime.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_34: It says so right here.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_34: The DA can review the answers, but juror questionnaires aren't public record, and it's not clear that this completed record still exists after the mistrial.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_34: The juror has not been named, and the jury list is sealed.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_34: The whole system runs on honest answers.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_34: What do you think should happen now?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_34: And do you think the answers potential jurors give on a questionnaire should be vetted against court records by officials?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_34: Tell me below and follow me.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_34: I'm Sue O'Connell, the courtroom insider for NBC 10 Boston.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she was so incredibly proud of herself for that reporting.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's unclear whether the juror questionnaire, um, the juror questionnaires are retained after the trial, so it may not even be possible to determine whether or not those questions were answered truthfully.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: As I mentioned, though, according to Massachusetts law, the charges that were later dropped would not have kept him off the jury.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Only having a felony conviction within the last seven years or a pending felony charge would have barred the juror from service.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: The number of critics also pointed to the fact that Massachusetts state law prohibits the intimidation and harassment of witnesses, jurors, and others involved in the legal proceedings against the state.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: And as I mentioned before, when it comes to the rest of the jury, I mean, did this news outlet bother to go and look into the background of all the other jurors to find out whether or not they might have potentially lied?
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, of course they didn't.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, this this is borderline that tabloid journalism.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_02: The trash that you would typically see in the checkout aisle at the grocery store.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: I know they think they were being clever in this, but it really is just kind of gross.
• 31:13
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• 31:18
  SPEAKER_22: Good job.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_22: I looked up the uh court records for that juror's uh court issues and citations.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_21: I don't think he did.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_21: If you read deep into him, show that uh he actually had a hormonal imbalance at the time.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_21: So really we can't blame it on him.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_21: It was his hormones.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_21: We should forgive him.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_21: And also, too, you know, let's not judge him on his words.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think you know, there are a lot of people are bringing the uh the jokey jokes this morning when we go back to the uh woman who was on the uh plane and uh being inappropriate.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_16: Morning, John Alex Elk River.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_16: Uh word has it on the internet that uh that uh rowdy passenger on the American Airlines was um Eric from Brainerd.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for the blasts this morning, maybe.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: 651-964-0294.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: If you would like to leave a uh a comment, I suppose you can do jokes as as well.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, speaking of the, I'm waiting for Andrew Langer to uh join us.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know why he's not uh with us yet.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll continue with the prep this morning and we'll keep with the uh with the topic uh as well.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Lindsay Clancy lawyer has one more Hail Mary up their sleeve.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: No rational jury could find beyond a reasonable doubt that she had no mental disease or or uh defect.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: The attorney Kevin Reddington has attempted.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: In his efforts to get his client, Lindsay Clancy, a not responsible verdict in the killings of her three small children, filed a renewed emotion Thursday, which is not going to go anywhere, asking for the judge to rule on the case and declare his client not guilty by reasons of insanity.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: Let me play for you one more clip and then we'll bring on uh president of the Institute for Liberty, uh, Andrew Langer.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: So this is um another piece of audio from Paula, I was it, Devlin.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: She's probably been one of the most vocal of the Lindsay Clancy jurors.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: Fourth interview so far at the time of pulling this clip over the weekend.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: And it's extremely concerning to hear her make a couple of comments.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: Let me go ahead and share what she had to say because she's going on as many media outlets as possible.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: And again, to me, it's a really good example of how they were not following the judge in this case's instructions to stay off of social media because they weren't sequestered.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: And they also clearly, at least this woman does, clearly wants to make a name for herself.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_23: Okay, Erica, lots of what I'd call surprises.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_23: We spoke with the 65-year-old juror juror, Paula from Whitman.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_23: She said she would have been okay if the holdout juror had been removed.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_23: And she was saying she had goosebumps telling me this, that it would have been worth starting deliberations all over again with the alternate.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_23: We spoke with Paula and she said the declaration of a mistrial makes her feel like she failed Lindsay Clancy.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_23: And she revealed that at the beginning of deliberations, jurors polled eight not guilty due to Clancy's lack of criminal responsibility.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_23: Two jurors felt she was guilty, and two were undecided.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_23: The attorney for the Ducksbury mother who killed her three children today filed a motion that that juror Apollo was aware of.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_23: That motion would, in essence, stop a retrial.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, our verdict that the 11 of us had decided on was not guilty by reason of the mental illness.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: That her mother loved her and didn't know what she was doing when she did that.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: And to get justice for them, the medical community needs to acknowledge that this exists.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: Again, it seems pretty clear that these jurors were watching social media.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: And in the case of this particular juror, she is uh desperate to continue to get herself some uh attention.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna bring in Andrew Langer, the president of the Institute for Liberty.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: He was in Dallas over the uh well, I should say over the weekend, last week for the midterm RNC.
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• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: And with that, the man, the myth, the legend, president of the Institute for Liberty, Andrew Langer.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: Good morning, sir.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: Nice to see you.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_41: Good morning.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_41: Let me see if I can get my camera to focus, though, John.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_41: I don't know what the hell's going on here.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_41: You look fine.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_41: You look great to me.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_41: There we go.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_41: That's all right.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_41: That'll be better.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_41: Hey, how are you doing?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm doing great.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: So what is your um what's your quick takeaway from the uh from the midterm RNC?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: Thumbs up or thumbs down?
• 37:35
  unknown: Okay.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: Or is it not that is it not that simple?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_41: It's not that simple, John.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_41: I mean, listen, I I had a great couple of days in Dallas.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_41: I got done what I needed to get done.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_41: There was obviously an incredible amount of energy while we were there.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_41: Uh we know that uh uh this president is incredibly good at putting on the pageantry.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_41: Um whether or not that translates I'm sorry, I've got a puppy in my in my lap here, by the way.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_41: Whether or not I uh it translates into electoral victory is uh a whole nother question.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_41: Here's the thing, and again, to dig down a little bit, right?
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_41: You've got uh, let's say, I don't remember what the capacity of the arena was, but you've got you know 10,000 true believers in an arena, um whether or not that turns around and translates into votes, as by the way, as early voting has already started, is one thing.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_41: Uh then you have to ask yourself, okay, what's going on in Texas, right, with the with uh the Texas race?
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_41: And um how does angering a bunch of voters in Dallas, which is already a democratic stronghold, um, you know, how does that translate into um what happens on the ground in Texas?
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_41: So yeah, I mean listen, I I I just I don't know what it does.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_41: I I still think that the most important factor going into the 2026 midterms is the price of gas.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_41: Um, and we saw prices spike up even more over the weekend, that's very concerning.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_41: I I I still think that it's going to be a blue trickle as opposed to a blue wave.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_41: Um but you know, I was a I cynic I cynically said to a friend of mine, um uh uh as on my way home on Friday, you know, if 10,000 people in an arena can, you know, through the power of prayer, can lower the price of gas by a dollar a gallon, somewhere.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_41: Um but but again, you know, I'm I'm just I am I am a a little a little Eeyore ish uh as it were.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: Would we be let's let's let's look at this from a different angle.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: Hold on, hold on, John.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_41: Let me just say I will I I want to give major kudos to the Daily Wire.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_41: Uh the Daily Wire put on a series of programming events of which I was one of the panelists um uh on uh uh Wednesday and Thursday last week.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_41: I think they even started on uh on Tuesday.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_41: And it was um uh it was really good, it was well done, and I will tell you, uh if the Daily Wire does this again at the 2028 convention, I will definitely be a part of that.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh interesting.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: It seems like their uh their uh their new uh paywall uh might be uh might be benefiting them.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_41: Well, I mean, you know, I think it's it's a lot of stuff.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_41: I'm I'm I'm kind of hoping that the panel that I did is not uh is not trapped behind the paywall.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_41: Um because you know, we had a good conversation.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_41: I I sat down with Tim Rice and had a conversation about regulation, and it was it was a great conversation.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_41: I'm I I I wanna I wanna get it out there a little bit more.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, listen, I but Daily Wire is one of the first place, one of the first stops when I start my when I start my prep in the morning.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um I was bummed, although I found a way to work around the paywall, but we won't go into get into that.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_31: We won't get into that, yes.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh no, no, they do they do fantastic, uh they they do fantastic work over there.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um before I get to my midterm uh question, and then I want to dive into this New York Times Jonathan Kaufman piece, um, which is really interesting in light of some conversation that we had on the show at the end of last week.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um regarding your dog, I just want to mention this.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't I didn't mention at the top of the show.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um I did mention that my boy Alex Bowman, the NASCAR driver, came in second yesterday.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: He's retiring next year.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, when the race was over in Victory Lane, the dude was just emotionally just wrecked.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: And it turns out that his beloved um best friend Finn, which was one of his dogs, he's a huge animal lover, he had to put him down on Friday.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: And uh just like, man, best friends, fur baby or otherwise, when you lose best friends, man, it sucks.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: My heart broke for that dude.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: So seeing your dog there was very heartwarming.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_41: I lost uh uh a puppy, uh my you know, my my my best buddy last year.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_41: And this is this is Bodie everybody, by the way.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_41: Uh like uh like um uh Patrick Swayze's character from from uh from break.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_41: Yeah.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_41: Um and you know, I lost uh we lost Charlie last year, and um we did not get a well we had a dog, but we still have a dog, we're a rocket, our palm ski.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_41: It was like a miniature husky.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_41: Uh we're all about the miniatures here because for me, by the way, John, it's not the size of the dog, it's the size of the poop that matters.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_41: I like a dog that makes a small poop.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_41: So um um we held off on getting a second dog, and then we've been watching this particular place, and and and and this uh this pup uh Bodie became available.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_41: He's four and a half months old, he's a miniature golden retriever.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_41: Um yes.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_41: Here, I'll I'll hold him up.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: He was oh what a sweetheart.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_41: Yeah, for those that are watching on but I'm holding him because uh he is overdue for a morning poop and I want to make sure he doesn't poop in the house.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_41: So if he's in my lap, it's it's it's so that he won't it's that he's gonna be a good one.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_41: I'll try I'll try not to keep you longer.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_41: So uh we will follow her anywhere.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know, since the uh since the new show provides me the opportunity where we can deviate, just uh since you mentioned Bodie and Patrick Swayze, um Melinda and I, for the first time watched.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: Now she'd read the book I hadn't, but we watched The Outsiders for the first time.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I was unaware, and I want to go watch the original because we watched the complete novel director's cut.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I actually thought I thought about you, Andrew Langer, because I don't know if you're aware of this, but Frances Four Coppola went back, included some 20 minutes worth of scenes that really added further exposition to the characters, but they completely changed the soundtrack.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: In the director's version, they put in a bunch of 40s and 50s music, needle drops, wherein the original version apparently had a had more of a just your standard sort of score.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: So I thought about you, uh thought about you over the weekend.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_41: I thought you were gonna say that the director's cut every Edding in the 20 minutes of Andrew Langer footage that had been uh cut out, uh left on the cutting cutting room floor.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_41: It's actually funny, John.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_41: On the part of movies, I wound up having a conversation with a couple that I had met at uh at Freedom Fest.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_41: Ran into them in in uh in uh Dallas for this thing, and we got to talking about the three Atlas Shrugged movies, uh which I don't know if you're aware of this, but I have an IMDB profile because of my appearance in in Atlas Shrugged Part Three.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: You're in part three?
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't I have all three on DVD.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know you were in part three.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_41: I'm in parts two and three.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_41: In part three, you can actually hear me at the very beginning.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_41: Uh, I'm the guy who's shouting when John Galt says he's gonna stop the world.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_41: You can hear me yell out, who was that guy?
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh! I have dude, I didn't so I have Andrew Langer in my movie collection.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's spectacular.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_41: That is that is that is that is uh spectacular.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_41: Not not great movies, but we can talk about that later.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_41: So, yeah, so listen, Dallas was Dallas was um Dallas was good, and I I'll tell you one of the things I I wound up talking to some college students and talking to some colleagues at this the Daily Wire had had uh rented out a bar right next to the entrance to the arena, and so they were doing all kinds of programming in there, and it kind of became the way station where everybody was going through.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_41: Our mutual friend Katie Pavlich was in there.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_41: I said hello.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_41: Um, but lots of conversations about who we are as a party, which gets into this piece that you sent over to me this morning.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_41: Um, you may not you may want to talk about that in a minute, but you know, yeah.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_41: So here so here So here's the question.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_02: Just a quick one on the on the on the midterm RNC.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and this is not uh me being critical of what you said, and we're gonna talk of Representative Tom Emmer coming up at eight o'clock this morning to get his thoughts.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: I know that his speech on uh Wednesday night was incredible.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_02: We play, I think we played it in its entirety on Thursday show.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: But would we even be like if this was a regular presidential midterm, I don't think that we would be examining it the way that we're examining it.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because you could do the same thing and talk about the effectiveness of the, you know, the the RNC heading into the presidential election.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: But it seems like this time around, because they haven't done it before, we are maybe overanalyzing this, or do you think it's appropriate to do so?
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_41: A couple of things.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_41: Number one, I think that you know, the the regular presidential conventions are usually held earlier uh in the cycle.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_41: Um, and and it really is about setting out this candidate's agenda moving forward, or you know, with the other side, you know, representing a counterpoint to the other side's agenda.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_41: And and sure, there was some of that.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_41: Uh, there's also longer programming, there's a lot more discussion, uh, there's greater coverage of everything that's going on while it's there.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_41: So uh yes, this is this is yes, the same kind of rah-rah cheerleading is happening um at at you know at the the regular four-year presidential convention, um, but it's a little different just in terms of the focus and the outcome and the scheduling.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_41: But yeah, listen, because it's the first one, there is going to be a lot of uh a lot of uh uh introspection that is done.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_41: Yeah.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_41: Um and and but but this is my point.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_41: At the end of the day, there is a lot of discussion inside and outside of that arena as to where uh the Republican Party is going uh and and you know, where things stand and the various competing philosophies that are at work.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: So last week, as we continue uh talking with the president of the Institute for Liberty, Andrew Langer, uh, with the 25th anniversary of 9-11, had a couple of different conversations with various guests in the Freedom Friday group, wherein we we have taken to looking at the modern political and societal divides and you know, sort of using COVID and the pandemic as a starting point and then and then sort of analyzing.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, when in reality, I I I kind of realized that, and I'm not the first to do this, but just in terms of my commentary last week, I realized, you know what, we really we got to go back to 9-11.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta go back to 9-11, the years after 9-11, and then the ramifications of what happened post-9-11 via COVID and then continue on.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_02: Which which makes me laugh because then this New York Times piece pops up from Jonathan Kaufman's um opinion, the decade that ruined everything.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_02: We're suffering the consequences of the conservative revolution that began in the 1980s.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: So it almost seemed like a way to sort of take what I was thinking and then reframe it and go, oh no, no, no, you got to go all the way back to Reagan to talk about why things are so bad right now.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_02: But we can get into some details here, but what was your overall assessment of Jonathan Costman's uh piece here?
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_41: Well, this is just it.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_41: It's incredibly myopic, uh, insofar as you take a uh a starting point that is convenient to your premise and you build from there.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_41: Um, you know, when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_41: I I I find it ironic.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_41: This is part of when I emailed you back and I said there was a a cell phone in all of this.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_41: You know, uh the cell phone is that you've got this guy who is supposedly a not supposedly, he is a professor of journalism, right?
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_41: Writing this opinion piece in the New York Times and and talking about media and the changing media landscape, um, part of it having to do with the fairness doctrine and part of it having to do with section 230 of of the Telecommunications Act.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_41: Um and yet he he doesn't realize that maybe as a professor of journalism, and uh he may maybe he shouldn't be advocating in this way, maybe part of the problem has been progressive journalistic advocacy uh over the course of the last 50 years.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_41: And so that was that was that was sort of one of my immediate reactions.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_41: The other part of this is you can't just take 1981 or the 1980 presidential election as the starting point.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_41: You have to remember that the the Reagan Revolution and the conservative revolution that builds on that um has its roots in a in pushing back against at that point 20 to 30 years of more so going back, 50 years going back to the New Deal, but the progressive uh progress, the movement uh of progressivism into every institution.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_41: So, you know, the deregulatory actions for what they were in the 1980s of the Reagan years were a reaction at that point to almost 50 years of the New Deal and New Deal policies going into it.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_41: Um and and you know, you think about sorry, I'm not gonna get in the weeds of zip for a second, John.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_41: There were a series of of stunning Supreme Court cases in the 1990s that pushed back on the expansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause, right?
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_41: Which was a direct result of what the New Deal, the New Deal uh Supreme Court said, right?
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_41: When the Commerce Clause basically can mean anything as a way of justifying the expansion of government power, then the commerce clause and the constitution's limits on executive branch power or federal power have no have no meaning.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_41: And so, yes, uh 10 years into the Reagan Revolution, you had a series of Supreme Court cases that put a stop to that, right?
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_41: The the Prince case and Lopez, P R I N T Z and Lopez in the 1990s were the first cases in nearly 60 years that put a stop to expansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_41: And and so, you know, you it's so funny because you talk about um 9-11 uh as the as as and 9-11 was a seminal moment.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_41: And it's so funny because I again cynically quipped on Friday uh as it only took me five minutes to get through security um at at DFW because I have Touchless TSA pre-checked.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_41: And it's only taken us 25 years to find a way to find a sweet spot in how we deal with um uh how we deal with airport security.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_41: But yeah, so you can take any point in time, but you absolutely have to remember the the long game that preceded it and and the balances that are out there.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_41: Um and so, you know, this I think was an incredible cell phone uh by Jonathan Kaufman um at the end of the day because it exposed it it exposed the reality.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_41: They think, okay, here's the cell phone, folks.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_41: They think that their progressive view of the world is the norm and not the exception.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_41: So the the in their view, the aberration is conservativism, um, whereas uh it it the the conservativism is merely a way of returning to true north, right?
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_41: This is somebody sent me today.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_41: I'm sorry, John, I don't mean to pontificate, but I'm pontificating.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_41: Somebody sent me this morning an explanation on Twitter.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_41: I retweeted it at Andrew underscore langer about the Chevron doctrine and the Loper Bright decision of 2024, which overturned it.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_41: And again, the reaction, the anger, the immediate anger of folks in the wake of overturning the Chevron decision, which extends the basic precept.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_41: The Loper Bright decision says statutory language has meaning.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_41: You can't reinterpret a statute to suit your purposes.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_41: Um, but you you know, to hear Elizabeth Warren in 2024 say this was the most horrendous thing, even though it was merely a true to uh a return to true first principles of constitutional governance.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_41: This is why, by the way, that you know, some of us push back on some of the things that are good friends, and they are good friends, do wrong in government.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_41: You know, when Brendan Carr says, and chairman of the FCC, and I and I appreciate 90% of the work that Brendan Carr does as chairman of the FCC, but when Brendan Carr says that he can unilaterally lift the caps on media ownership uh in marketplaces, you know, those those caps are set by statute.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_41: He does not have that authority.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_41: Congress has the authority.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_41: And if we believe that statutory language has meaning, this is the right viewpoint.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_02: Andrew Langer, president of the uh Institute for Liberty.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: I know you've been traveling and you were at the RNC.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_02: Have you got anything uh coming up that you would like uh those that are watching or listening to go and uh check out?
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_41: You know, listen, uh just on these points, John, that you've been raising, I I do urge folks to go and read the work that's being done at Constituting Uh America.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_41: Constitution.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_41: Constituting.us is the website.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_41: Uh they they do a 90, every year they do a 90-day study of the Constitution.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_41: Uh all of these things that we've been talking about are bound up in that.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_41: But yeah, this week uh I've got a great um uh episode of the Washington Signals Lunch Hour podcast.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_41: I sit down with uh Rob Jennings from the um uh the American Petroleum Institute to talk about liquefied natural gas and the important role that that plays in our energy sector.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_41: So go and check that out.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_02: We'll uh we'll close out with another movie uh related item uh lightheartedly, uh, but it continues to uh reinforce my idea of how much I'm despising the internet.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: I say all that because Melinda and I watched Supergirl on Friday and it was fine.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: It bombed at the box office.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're not talking about a cinematic masterpiece, but it was just as enjoyable as the new Superman movie was.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't understand.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, listen, I was entertained.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_02: I if I'd if I had gone to the theater to see it, I wouldn't have walked out of there thinking that I wasted my money.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_41: Was was Jimmy was the was the guy who plays Jimmy Olson in the new Superman, was he in it?
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_41: Because he knows uh that's too bad.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_41: Because I as I said then, I would watch a movie about the relationship between Jimmy Olsen and Miss Tessmocker.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_41: Like I would watch that miniseries a thousand times.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_41: I um I you know I'm glad you say that because we um we meant to watch that on Saturday.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_41: Instead, I will tell you, we watched the Band of Brothers 25th anniversary documentary.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_41: Nice.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_41: And if you were a fan of Band of Brothers, uh go and watch that post-haste.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_41: I I didn't know, for instance, that the guy who played uh Joe Liebgott was Scottish.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_41: Who knew?
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_41: Who knew?
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_41: So um, you know, no, it's really good.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_02: Andrew Langer, always good talking with you.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_02: We'll do it again next week.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_41: Thanks, man.
• 56:52
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• 56:54
  SPEAKER_02: Bye, Bodie.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_02: See you later, dude.
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• 57:13
  SPEAKER_19: That one was huge because that brought in the big government security apparatus where they don't have to tell you nothing and they accrete power to themselves.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_19: Uh, then you got Obama who brought racism back in the country, the most racially divisive president in the history of the country.
• 57:40
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• 57:46
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• 57:54
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• 57:57
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• 58:01
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• 58:03
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• 58:15
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• 58:25
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:35
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• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_02: A friend of the show who writes over a power line blog, uh Scott Johnson, has a piece up regarding this uh expose in the Star Tribune that we'll get into in the eight o'clock hour.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: Representative Tom Emmer will be joining us at uh eight o'clock this morning.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_02: Just got off the line with uh Andrew Langer a moment ago.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_02: We were talking about this New York Times piece that I just want to share a few points from, uh, written by Jonathan Kaufman, saying the decade that ruined everything.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_02: We are suffering the consequences of the conservative revolution that began in the 1980s.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_02: And a few points of what Jonathan Kaufman has to write.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_02: In the uh in the White House, President Donald Trump celebrates a decade that brought him to prominence with his retrogressive policies and his body, gaudy aesthetics, often portrayed as a prosperous interlude between the social movements of the 1960s and our anxious polarized world, the 1980s, live on in even more ways than many Americans recognize.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_02: I thought what I was witnessing was a temporary correction.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_02: Decades later, I realized how profound the changes were.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_02: All of this seems like a complete redirected to what we were talking about last week and what I just mentioned to Andrew Langer, drawing upon the 25 years of 9-11, the impact that it had across the country, and then coupling that with what happened via the pandemic, all of which creates the situation that we're currently in right now when it comes to our political and our societal discourse.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_02: But instead, Jonathan Kaupin goes, No, it's all Reagan's fault.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_02: He says, uh, we're not living after the 1980s, we're living in them, trapped in an invisible architecture, uh, built by a clutch of executive politicians and conservative advocacy groups.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_02: I want to jump to the end of the piece, though.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_02: Just to kind of get to the point that Jonathan Kaufman was trying to make here.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_02: He says, Many look fondly on the 1960s, the protests, the music, the social revolution, and bypass the decade that is easily mocked, but is just as consequential.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_02: And Andrew Langer mentioned this a moment ago, and I agree.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's this idea that progressivism is the American way, that there is no other way, that conservatism is always going to be a negative.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_02: And everything should always be progressive.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's just how America is, and it's just not true.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_02: We're generally speaking a center-right nation, even though it kind of teeters back and forth.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_02: But even then, you want to go sort of split it down the middle, it's half and half.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_02: But it really speaks of the mentality of your modern leftist and how they go and they justify and rationalize the abhorrent behavior by anybody that might be even in the slightest associated with their own political ideology.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_02: Jonathan Kaufman goes on to say it is time to set aside the wistful nostalgia for shoulder pads, Rubik's Cube, and Pac-Man, and recognize the 1980s actually built the architecture of the world we inhabit today.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_02: Dismantling it is the first step to escape.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, here's the reason why um I I don't buy any of this, and it feels like this is uh uh simply a means to dismiss the points that we were making last week on the show, not that Jonathan Kaufman is listening, but you never know.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the reason why 9-11 was the turning point and everything that we're dealing with now is that unlike the 1980s, which were kind of a reset in terms of politics, 9-11 truly was a reset.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_02: It was the last time, and probably the last time forever, that we as a nation came together with one common cause and agreement.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_02: And even if those divisions existed, wherein, as we will talk about coming up on the show, you know, you don't even have 9-11 being taught in our schools anymore.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_02: And if it is, they omit bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, and Islam from the actual curriculum.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_02: So even if you had those individuals who felt that way, thought that way at the time of 9-11, they didn't have the vehicle that we have now when it comes to the internet and social media to grow their ranks in terms of the thought bubble and the thought bubbles that get created now because of social media, the social contagion aspect of it.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_02: If you were somebody that was sympathetic, for let me simplify this.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_02: If you were somebody that was sympathetic to terrorism, you kept that garbage to yourself or amongst your colleagues and friends in isolated circumstances because it wasn't widely considered a popular stance to take, because it was an abhorrent stance to take.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_02: It wouldn't be for the individuals thinking that.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_02: Everything that came out, the decisions, the policies, the laws, the military actions, the politics.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_02: We all got on board with the common cause to go and fight radical jihadists and Islam.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_02: We rallied behind it, we supported it.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody in the in across the country was in agreement.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then from there, things began to splinter.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_02: And then you get into COVID, and that just exacerbated what was already taking place in a post-9-11 society.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_02: And unfortunately, we might be able to learn from our past actions and course correct, except for the fact that generations are being raised without being given the proper context or information to go and make informed decisions regarding what actually went and took place on that day.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_02: A nonprofit is providing 9-11 lesson plans to schools across the country.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_02: They don't mention Osama bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, or Islam.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_02: And as we highlighted last week, only two of our states actually require comprehensive history lessons regarding the events of 9-11.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_02: Fairfax County, Virginia's public school system drew national outrage when Fox News revealed its 9-11 lesson plan, whose first section was doing that thing with my fingers, responding to racism, hate, and bias against Muslims and Middle Eastern people.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_02: It instructed teachers to leverage the critical lens with students, meaning use critical race theory, because of course it did.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_02: The problem is not limited, though, to deep blue areas.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_02: In a message to families on Friday, Fairfax School Superintendent Michelle Reid said she was reviewing materials as they value feedback from the FCPS community, and blamed others for the curriculum, saying the administrators drew from authoritative subject matter resources, including materials from the 957 Project, which is an association with a mission to connect veterans and students to perpetuate service teamwork and the legacy of Flight 93.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_02: Project 957 or 957 project says it provides six lessons on 911 and its effects.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_02: The 94-page curriculum completely omits who attacked America on 9-11, instead, focusing on the human interest details and the hardships of the United States.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_02: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan afterwards.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_02: The word Islam does not appear.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_02: Someone on the left claimed describing terrorist ideologies as Islamist reflects poorly on all Muslims.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yet that can't explain the naming the individuals who committed the attacks.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_02: The curriculum does not include the name Osama bin Laden, does not say Al-Qaeda was behind the attacks.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_02: It mentions the terrorist group only once in saying that a United States service member was missed by his family because he was fighting in the mountains of Afghanistan against Al-Qaeda.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_02: And you probably have already reached the same conclusion, but I'm going to share it with you anyways.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_02: This essentially and effectively is the 9-11 version of the 1619 project.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_02: The revisionist history by far-left New York Times writer Nicole Hannah-Jones that was implanted into schools via a nonprofit's realization that teachers don't want to bother creating their own lesson plans.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_02: And if someone packages and promotes a free one, they will use it.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_02: Fairfax instructed teachers not to center the extremists or acts of extremism or the acts of extremists.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_02: And instead to create a safe space for Muslim and Middle Eastern students.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_02: The reason some Fairfax students might be offended by hearing the names of terrorists who committed 9-11 is because their families are in fact tied to terrorist groups.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I I can't stand this, and I can't stand this this mindset.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_02: It drives me absolutely nuts.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Look, let me give you an example here.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_02: Humans do bad things.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_02: Humans do bad things all the time.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_02: Regardless of their skin color, religion, doesn't matter.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_02: Just human beings.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_02: Human beings do horrible things.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Should we never mention the bad things that human beings do, like I'm going to here coming up on the show?
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because other humans might get offended?
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's the mentality here.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we as humans have the capability of deciding not to get offended.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a really sort of generalized way of saying that if you're a Muslim and you don't believe that we should be committing or other Muslims should be doing terrorist activities and and pushing jihad, then you have nothing to worry about.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_02: Then we're not talking about you.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_02: And you wouldn't be the subject of the material.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking about individuals who are Muslims who do perpetuate and want to put forward jihad and murder individuals that they deem are the infidels.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_02: Again, humans do bad things, so we shouldn't talk about the bad things that humans do.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_02: And yet, and yet, here's the funny part about it whether people realize it or not, they actually have been passing judgment or not passing judgment based off of this type of thinking.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's partly the reason why you have those jurors in the Lindsey Clancy case going off on this ridiculous idea that they wanted to acquit her for mental illness.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_02: That wasn't the role of the jury.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_02: When the reality is it's very similar.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, she's a woman, she's a mom, she murdered her parents, we're women, we've been mothers.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, so I've got to justify it.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_02: I have to defend my own with this.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_02: Fairfax County receives extra federal dollars for educating children of military members, but many say they are treated as second-class citizens.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Below people who aren't as citizens at all.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_02: In 2022, the FCPS curriculum called for identifying your privilege, saying that military kids had privilege alongside cisgenders and native English speakers.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Those Gen Z generations growing up with this trash education, doomed.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_02: I just hope that we're not doomed along with them.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's a lessons on slavery, by the way.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_02: Do not omit the race of the people who own slaves or say that their descendants, hundreds of years later, have nothing to do with it.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_02: Now, bringing it back to some local angles, Channel 5 KSTP, 9-11 is no longer mentioned in Minnesota social study standards.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_02: And some parents last week on the 25th anniversary of 9-11 were questioning why.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_04: And this September 11th, some parents are concerned new Minnesota social study standards don't mention the attacks.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_33: When state educators and parents got together a couple of years ago to rewrite the state's social study standards, they made a couple of major changes.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_33: They moved from referencing specific events like 9-11, the Civil War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, to focusing on broad strokes, arabism, themes.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_26: Why does it matter?
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_26: If this was 25 years ago, what's the significance?
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_33: Educators say the idea is to push teachers to provide more context to the events they're teaching about and to get the kids asking their own questions about them.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_33: It's a move away from memorizing those lists of names, dates, and places that made so many kids hate social studies over the years.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_33: I checked on several schools and all said teachers were planning on incorporating September 11th into today's lessons.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_33: As we saw personally in this class in St.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_33: Paul, can you see it ever disappearing from a history class from a social studies course?
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_26: Not as long as the school calendar is including the second week of September, because it's just an anniversary that I think social studies teachers are inclined to incorporate and uh revisit.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_26: I think that most of my students have had an annual lesson on 9-11.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_33: In the end, educators say it's teachers, administrators, and school boards that decide exactly what's taught in your child's class, not the state standards.
• 1:14:52
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• 1:14:57
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• 1:14:59
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• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_19: It's pretty easy to refute the fact that progressivism was the root of our country.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_19: The country was founded by a bunch of people who just wanted freedom and to be left to F alone.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_19: And progressivism is against that, so beginning of this country.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for the blast.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go and hear from another friend of the show.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_11: Hey John, this is Jack from Minota.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_11: I find it funny that it's not okay to offend Muslim people.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_11: But it's alright to call every white person a racist.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_11: You know, make it make sense.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_11: Have a good one.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_11: Thanks.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_02: I have a text that rolled in.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I've personally seen tea uh seen teachers at St.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Paul School District physically turn the channel on 9-11 when the material was presented saying, turn that crap off.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_02: I can only imagine what they say to kids behind closed doors.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think we have a pretty good idea.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go here to the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_19: Yeah, it's funny how these propagandists are all concerned about how Muslims might feel about something or these LGBTQ, well, who knows, whatever it is you say.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_19: They might be offended, but they have no problem whatsoever about bringing up every single bad thing perpetrated by a heterosexual white person or a Christian person throughout history to justify their attitudes today.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and there's this painting of the wide brush when it comes to the left's commentary where they want to go and remove what I mentioned, and that is the difference between individuals who could be a part of a of a minority group and how they may differ in opinion.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_02: They want to go and lump everybody all together.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's so fun- again, it's just another example of how those on the left that push inclusivity and diversity are anything but inclusive and diverse.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's all gaslighting that's done.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_02: The big tent is actually with the Republican Party.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_02: The example during the presidential election is probably one of the best, where if you go and show up at a Kamala Harris Governor Dim Walls running for VP rally wearing a wearing a MAGA hat or a MAGA t-shirt, you're gonna be cursed at.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_02: On the left, you can be as irrational and hypocritical as you want to be, as long as it furthers your agenda.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna give you the examples of the double standard.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_02: Certain stories get buried where others don't.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_02: Look at the case.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_02: And again, just going back to the the big trial story of the Lindsey Clancy mistrial, and look what happened now that the one lone holdout juror it was discovered that he was a black man and the only black man on the jury.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_02: He ended up getting doxxed by media.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_02: And the let's push back on him, trying to discredit him.
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_02: So you tell me who are the real racists in the country.
• 1:18:59
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• 1:20:23
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• 1:20:30
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  SPEAKER_15: Can you imagine how different the teaching of Pearl Harbor would be if we were sensitive to the Japanese or the reporting or the teaching of the Holocaust if we were sensitive to the Germans, the Ukrainians, and the others that uh participated in it?
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_15: No, we expose it for what it is.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_15: That's the way it's supposed to be.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_15: Yet we don't do that with September 11th.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_15: Or slavery for that matter.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_02: Eric, uh friend of the show, thank you so much for the blast at 651-964-0294.
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_09: Good morning, John Rich here.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_09: So the new curriculum actually is the communists working together with the Muslims.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_09: And we don't want to teach the history of Mao, we don't want to teach the history of Stalin, and we don't want to teach the history of 9-11.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_09: Why?
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_09: Because it's a blemish on them for what the truth is.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_09: And they don't want the the children to learn it.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_09: It goes against their indoctrination.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_09: And the facts are quite clear.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_09: He who controls the history controls the future.
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_09: So communists are always famous for rewriting history.
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_02: Not a huge surprise as we update, and I get to the stories that I mentioned a moment ago, but I want to update you on the um harrowing event that took place with a gubernatorial candidate in Wisconsin, Tom Tiffany.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he uh and the pilot had to make an emergency landing in a um Bonanza airplane on Lake Wasaw.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_02: After losing power, both sustained minor injuries were released from the hospital.
• 1:22:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mentioned last hour there was some questional cover uh questionable coverage coming from a local media outlet.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_02: They very wonkly, is that even a word wonkily in a wonk fashion?
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh said that the lake was only 30 feet deep, and some individuals took that, and it may have been the case as being insensitive, like, oh, it was only 30 feet deep, wherein the reporter ended up deleting her original post after getting uh ratioed and said she didn't mean any harm by it.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's not the worst thing that happened, though.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_02: There were other prominent individuals that were actually complaining that they wished that the lake had done its job, meaning they wished harm, unsurprisingly, on Congressman Tom uh Tiffany.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_02: I have two different uh clips I want to play for you uh for you.
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_02: The first one is uh some of the initial dispatch uh audio from the scene of where Tom Tiffany, uh where Tom Tiffany's plane had made that emergency uh water landing.
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_10: I was talking to the pilots.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_10: It sounds like they made plans to the nearest shore.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_10: Everyone under and then I lost contact with them, I believe.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_10: If phone is underwater, they may be swimming south, I believe.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_10: We have two victims in the water, and we're just pulling them up.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_02: And here was a commentary from uh Congressman Tom Tiffany yesterday just thanking everybody involved for the efforts uh in the wake of that accident.
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_27: I just want to thank all of you for your thoughts and prayers for me and my family after our plane went down in Lake Wausau.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_27: We're so grateful for them.
• 1:24:17
  SPEAKER_27: And thank you to the first responders that pulled us out of Lake Wausau.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_27: They represent the best of Wisconsin.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_27: I just want you to know that I'm okay and I'm ready to get back to work for you.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_02: In the uh previous press conference, you can tell that the um the gubernatorial candidate was um still pretty emotional over what had uh transpired.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_28: We are just really fortunate.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_28: We're really fortunate that God is looking after us last night.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was uh he was uh moved to tears in that moment.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_06: The reporter, it's only 30 feet deep.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_06: Never learned you can die and drone in six inches or less water.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_06: Most zoning occurs in that.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_06: Bye-bye.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, listen, it's neither here nor there on that controversy that erupted over the weekend.
• 1:25:13
  SPEAKER_02: I um I'm gonna actually give her a bit of the benefit of the doubt.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_02: That would have been pretty egregious.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_02: Not that it's unsurprising when it comes to uh media coverage over events, but she seemed pretty quick to come out and sort of reframe her wonky wording at the time.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_02: I had a uh text that rolled into the blaster line at 651-964-0294 from Representative uh Patricia Mueller, who says, I love it when this administration claims your local school districts decide what is taught in the classroom.
• 1:25:45
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, now do ethnic studies.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_02: Crazy.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_02: Another uh comment rolled in.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_02: We've turned into an activist-led society, sadly.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_02: You too are also very much correct.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_02: All right, let's go here.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_02: We'll keep with the theme.
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_02: You probably haven't heard about this.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking no stories, at least at the time of this writing, on the murder and attempted beheading of a man at Round Rock Park.
• 1:26:15
  SPEAKER_02: AP, PBS, New York Times, MPR, Wall Street Journal, BBC, CNN, Washington Po uh Post, Reuters, MSNBC, nothing.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because the details of the story don't fit the prescribe uh the prescribed leftist narratives.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Andrew James Winsat sat down on a bench on a Monday morning, I believe this was last week, in a plaid blue and uh in a plaid blue button-up and shorts.
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_02: Three minutes later, he was dead.
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_02: A neighborhood uh a neighbor's camera had already caught Benedict Ogbadigua Jr.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_02: leaving his house that morning, walking toward the park with something in his left pocket that detectives say looked like a large a large knife sticking out.
• 1:27:05
  SPEAKER_02: He stopped for a drink at a water fountain by the basketball court, and that's where he found Wimsat.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_02: He came from behind, and I'm gonna um stop here really quick.
• 1:27:15
  SPEAKER_02: This gets a little graphic.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to let everybody know.
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_02: I just wanna, you know, I wanna prepare you.
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we're in a little bit of a different situation than we were in the past.
• 1:27:24
  SPEAKER_02: But that being said, I still want to make sure that you're aware that things are gonna get rather rough here.
• 1:27:30
  unknown: Okay.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_02: So you had this Benedict Agbad Digwa Jr.
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_02: coming up from behind, wrapping his left arm around Wimsat, and then started driving the knife into his neck.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Wimsat tried to push him off.
• 1:27:43
  SPEAKER_02: He couldn't.
• 1:27:44
  SPEAKER_02: He was stabbed several more times before he hit the ground.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Then Agbag Digwa walked around to his left side, knelt down, put his knee on the dying man's chest, and kept doing what he was doing.
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_02: Attempting to go and behead him.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_02: He wiped the blue blade on his shirt and jogged off toward the pool.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_02: Four minutes after he left the park, that same neighbor's camera caught him walking back home two houses away.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_02: That afternoon, he turned up at McDonald's in a different outfit and left as a passenger in a red SUV.
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_02: The plate traced back to his father's house, nine-tenths of a mile from the bench.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_02: When detectives showed him a still from the crime scene video, he admitted it was him.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_02: Then he said he was never at the park.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_02: Then he said he had a twin, asked for his twin's name, he had nothing.
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Deputies found a trash bag by the garage inside the Honda shirt he was wearing.
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_02: At the murder scene, the gray sweatpants and red stains, size 12 Jordans, and the 5.5 inch knife with a wooden handle.
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_02: The red substance on the blane tested on the blade tested positive for human blood.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_02: The two men had never met.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_02: He apparently decided to just stab a stranger.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Heaven forbid he goes to trial in Massachusetts.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_02: In January, Agbog Digua was arrested for theft, which was dismissed.
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_02: In May, he was arrested for giving police a fake name, also dismissed.
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_02: Years earlier, he was arrested for theft.
• 1:29:18
  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't it all sound familiar?
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_02: The victim, Andrew Wimsat, was 62 years old, an accomplished civil uh engineer in Texas.
• 1:29:28
  SPEAKER_02: He was also an avid uh nature and wildlife photography enthusiast.
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_02: He was also known uh very well by some of the hosts on Fox News and the Five, including Kat Timff, who said, I too, I'm too shocked and disgusted and angry to even be commenting on at this point, but I will, anyways.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_02: Andrew was a fan who became a friend.
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_02: Cam and I just had lunch with him in Fort Wayne in Fort Worth in June when he drove from Austin to see my return to the stage after my father's sudden death in May.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_02: Andrew was a rare person, genuinely kind, for the sake of it.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_02: It uh quite clearly never occurred to him to expect anything in return.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_02: I am haunted and horrified in thinking of his final moments and beyond furious that this was the end uh the end that the world gave him.
• 1:30:23
  SPEAKER_02: The same world that he'd always gone out of his way to make a better place.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_02: We all love you, Andrew.
• 1:30:28
  SPEAKER_02: We always will.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_02: Your kindness made you a legend.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and again, um, nothing in the media outlets about this attack.
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_02: As I mentioned, the Texas engineer had become a friend to several of the Fox News personalities.
• 1:30:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Greg Gutfeld last week had this to say during his show.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_34: All right, Greg, do you want to talk about her religion?
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_29: Well, I don't know.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_29: I mean, you know, I always go with Charles Crowthammer.
• 1:30:56
  SPEAKER_29: Uh, we think the left are wrong, not evil.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_29: And I keep trying to think, is she stupid or is she evil?
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_29: And I think like I'm beginning to think that she might be evil, and I don't like to think that way, but on X, she reported that there were 10 hangings of black people in the United States this year.
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_29: She labeled it widespread modern-day lynchings, and we need to put a stop to this racial terror.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_29: She's igniting a large-scale fine people hoax based on lies.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_29: The cases she cited were officially ruled suicides, no evidence of foul play, except for one, which is under homicide investigation, and the suspect is her husband who is black.
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_29: So um there are no white suspects.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_29: I w I don't want to have to do this, but they force your hand after a while.
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_29: AOC forces your hand.
• 1:31:54
  SPEAKER_29: In official US data, black offenders kill and violently victimize white victims far more often than the reverse.
• 1:32:02
  SPEAKER_29: Uh in 2023, it was 684 white whites killed by blacks.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_29: That's over twice the 334 blacks killed by whites.
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_29: The non-fatal violence, huge.
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_29: From 2027 to 2024, 2.3 million violent incidents with white victims, black offenders.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_29: That's a six to one ratio for 372,000 of the reverse.
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_29: Um, of course, black Americans are the highest number of homicide victims killed by other blacks.
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_29: So, you know, it came at the wrong time for me.
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_29: Andrew Wimsett was murdered by a black man in a park in Austin, Texas.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_29: He's white, local news.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_29: Nobody covered it.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_29: You know, it didn't receive a fraction of the national political framing given to these fabricated lynchings, and that just pisses the shit out of me.
• 1:32:58
  SPEAKER_29: Sorry.
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_37: Last word to you, Emily.
• 1:33:02
  SPEAKER_02: And um maybe it's been covered since then.
• 1:33:07
  SPEAKER_02: I certainly haven't seen any coverage beyond what I shared with you here.
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe some outlets have picked up on it.
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_02: But it's not as if we're living in a world where we're not talking about mental health.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_02: That certainly seems to be the case with this horrendous act of random violence.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_02: An individual would have to be disturbed.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_02: This is what drives me so incredibly baddie over the reaction of those jurors in the Lindsey Clancy case, is this idea that, you know, well, we, you know, we wanted to acquit her, you know, because of mental health issues.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you clearly would have to be mentally disturbed if you're going to go and murder your three children the way that you did, just like you would have to be mentally disturbed in order to go and commit this murder of this Andrew Wimsat.
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_02: But it doesn't mean that you weren't sane in the moment you made that decision and that you should not receive punishment over it.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not like we're living in a society where we're not talking about mental health issues.
• 1:34:11
  SPEAKER_02: We absolutely are, of which this clearly was.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_02: And yet, because it doesn't fit the prescribed narratives of the left, meaning that it's not politically advantageous for the media outlets to cover it because it can't help those leftist candidates, it just simply gets ignored.
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_39: Sean, I heard about the story of uh Andrew Windsett, I think I'm saying his name right um last week, and um looked up multiple stories on it.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_39: This is just so gross and disgusting.
• 1:34:44
  SPEAKER_39: It's a long alliance of, I mean, people who sit and defend him and these whimsy clans and everything.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_39: We need law and order back in our country, pure and simple.
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_39: I don't care that you're uh what race, gender, religion, whatever it is, if you kill someone, you need to go to jail unless it was actively defending yourself.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_39: This is I I don't even understand how this is even an issue anymore.
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_39: People have lost their minds in this country.
• 1:35:13
  SPEAKER_39: Please, everybody, pray for us, pray for good results in the midterm.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_39: Get people out there.
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_39: We need to have politicians out there with some common sense, and for goodness sakes, pay attention to your sheriffs and everything else.
• 1:35:25
  SPEAKER_39: We have to do better.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_39: Thanks, everyone.
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_39: Have a great day.
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_02: I I I want to try to provide a little bit of solace.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_02: I know it's gonna be difficult, but I do want to try to provide a little bit of positivity in the midst of all these stories.
• 1:35:40
  SPEAKER_02: Now, before I do, I have to bring you some other distressing news.
• 1:35:44
  unknown: Okay.
• 1:35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Almost have to undermine my own commentary based off of the stories that I have in the stack in front of me.
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_02: But let me start here.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_02: A statue honoring slain conservative leader Charlie Kirk was vandalized with red pain outside of Turning Point USA's Phoenix headquarters.
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_02: It had just been unveiled days before, marking the first anniversary of his death on Thursday last week.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_02: The eight-foot statue and a nearby memorial poster were both defaced overnight on Sunday, according to AZ family.
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_02: Red paint smeared across the statue, including a frowning face painted in red on the chest of the statue, installed to commemorate on Thursday, Kirk.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_02: Assassinated at age 31 during that event in Utah Valley University.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_02: One year earlier, Kirk was speaking at a campus event, of course, when he was shot and killed.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_02: The statue depicts Kurt wearing the freedom shirt.
• 1:36:49
  SPEAKER_02: It was not immediately clear whether police identified any suspects or determined a motive for the vandalism.
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_02: So here's my attempt to offer a bit of positive isn't the right word.
• 1:37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Just solace.
• 1:37:03
  SPEAKER_02: Perspective.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm looking for.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_02: Perspective.
• 1:37:07
  SPEAKER_02: This is nothing new.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_02: There's nothing new about this.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_02: The displays of evil might be more extreme, or at least appear like they're more extreme.
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_02: And its relation to what happened to Charlie makes sense.
• 1:37:27
  SPEAKER_02: In terms of just how extreme this might be.
• 1:39:58
  SPEAKER_02: And when times were simpler, it maybe didn't happen nearly as much.
• 1:40:01
  SPEAKER_02: But make no mistake, none of what we're seeing is new.
• 1:40:04
  SPEAKER_02: The means in which individuals go and put the information, their horrible activism out there is what has dramatically changed.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_02: All of this is to say that humans are sinful.
• 1:40:18
  SPEAKER_02: We have to continue to push back against it.
• 1:40:20
  SPEAKER_02: And while we see a lot more of it, it isn't necessarily that there's more of it.
• 1:40:25
  SPEAKER_02: We're just seeing more of it.
• 1:40:29
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that provides any solace at all.
• 1:40:32
  SPEAKER_02: But a lot of it, you know, and I've done this too.
• 1:40:34
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people view what's happening right now as, oh, it's so bad, it's so awful.
• 1:40:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, you know what, though, guys, it kind of has been always bad and awful.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I can tell you firsthand that when you disconnect from all of it, it's hard to see it.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of the country doesn't see it.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_02: During our America 250 road trip, uh, when you know with my son and I for those 10 days on the road.
• 1:40:59
  SPEAKER_02: I the it was the most disconnected that I allowed myself to get from news in the transition between the old show and this amazing new opportunity that I was, you know, blessed to be provided with.
• 1:41:12
  SPEAKER_02: I can tell you that you can check out and avoid all of this stuff.
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_02: Now we're engaged because we care, and I'm glad that you join us every single morning, and we see a lot of it, but it doesn't necessarily mean that things have gotten dramatically worse.
• 1:41:26
  SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, we just have ways to see it in a manner that we weren't uh able to see it in the past.
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_02: Now, the uh Charlie Kirk statue wasn't the only thing that got vandalized over the weekend, although I have questions with this one.
• 1:41:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Minnesota Reformer, and it's the only place that I saw this story even uh published.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_02: Volunteers over the weekend had to end up cleaning up an Alex Predi memorial.
• 1:41:53
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know there was one.
• 1:41:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not surprised, but so early on Friday morning, caretakers arrived at the Alex Predi Memorial, finding it doused with two gallons of synthetic motor oil.
• 1:42:07
  SPEAKER_02: Now, mortar oil, the Minnesota Reformer article says, is not flammable, and much of the memorial remains unharmed.
• 1:42:14
  SPEAKER_02: Volunteer caretakers quickly gathered throughout the morning to wash the ground in the chairs and to clean offerings that visitors leave at the site.
• 1:42:23
  SPEAKER_02: The caretakers expected the site to be cleaned and reset by the end of the day on Friday, as the volunteers continued to arrive for help.
• 1:42:30
  SPEAKER_02: Minneapolis police did respond to the scene, but they have no uh witnesses or at this point in time information to go off of who actually may have gone and done this.
• 1:42:42
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so here's my thoughts on this.
• 1:42:44
  SPEAKER_02: So again, Alex Predy's memorial site vandalized.
• 1:42:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, first off, this is completely kind of irrelevant to the bigger picture, but how do they know it was two gallons of synthetic motor m motor oil?
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh motor oil typically comes in quarts.
• 1:43:03
  SPEAKER_02: My assumption is that somebody left the motor oil, the empty, you know, motor oil containers behind and they did the math.
• 1:43:14
  SPEAKER_02: But usually you'd be like four quarts, eight quarts, not two gallons when it comes to, yeah, Devin's over there going, yeah, right?
• 1:43:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say neither here nor there, just an observation.
• 1:43:22
  SPEAKER_02: So, first off, I don't believe this was a conservative that did this.
• 1:43:26
  SPEAKER_02: If it was a conservative, um then I would actually question that claim of them being a conservative.
• 1:43:36
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of like um when you've got individuals like for those that remember the conservative doing that thing with my fingers, Tom Evenstead, who had dressed up as Superman in the wake of that Superman moron that got all up in Jake Lang's grill during the protest, and then Tom Evenstead went to the Minnesota State Fair dressed as Superman and started harassing other individuals who had political booths there.
• 1:44:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and again, he claims to be a conservative.
• 1:44:04
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe he claims to be an independent.
• 1:44:08
  SPEAKER_02: So if this was a conservative that went and did this, yeah, I would question their conservative bona fides.
• 1:44:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so that leaves me with my guess, it's one of two people.
• 1:44:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's either leftists that wanted to create a false flag event by going and trashing Alex Pretti's memorial.
• 1:44:25
  SPEAKER_02: Or it was just Minneapolis vandals who were bored.
• 1:44:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, as we've seen, there's individuals that are going around with these handheld glass shattering devices that are just seemingly going and destroying and vandalizing automobiles with no rhyme or reason.
• 1:44:44
  SPEAKER_02: So there's an argument to be made that that probably is the most likely of scenarios in this defacing of the Alex Predi memorial.
• 1:44:54
  SPEAKER_02: Vandals going around and just vandalizing with no rhyme or reason.
• 1:45:00
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• 1:45:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, maybe the reason the activists of today are so violent is the difference between the 60s.
• 1:45:17
  SPEAKER_02: You had a bunch of potheads and flower children running around.
• 1:45:20
  SPEAKER_02: Now you got people on meth.
• 1:45:22
  SPEAKER_02: You're right, but at the same time, there was plenty of violent individuals going back to the 60s.
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_02: Usually they were, again, they were resigned to very tightly knit activist organizations.
• 1:45:33
  SPEAKER_02: Those organizations have gotten bigger, but they've also gotten more visual, you know, visibly apparent.
• 1:45:39
  SPEAKER_02: I guess is the point that I was trying to make on that.
• 1:45:42
  SPEAKER_02: More visible than they have here in uh in before uh than before.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh let's go back to the uh blaster line.
• 1:45:48
  SPEAKER_02: Got a couple of comments based on the Alex Predi Memorial being vandalized.
• 1:45:51
  SPEAKER_17: Good morning, Janet.
• 1:45:52
  SPEAKER_17: Victor here.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_17: Um well, first of all, I'd like to disagree with the story.
• 1:45:57
  SPEAKER_17: Motor oil is it's quite flammable.
• 1:46:02
  SPEAKER_17: Um motor oil is it?
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_17: And I would at least do my oil change and force the unit on the on the memorial stuff.
• 1:46:26
  SPEAKER_17: But why would you wait for the motor oil?
• 1:46:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know what, you make an interesting point.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_02: I maybe we'll find out more on this story because something just doesn't add up.
• 1:46:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because he's right.
• 1:46:41
  SPEAKER_02: Unless it was stolen.
• 1:46:42
  SPEAKER_02: And this goes back to my bored Minneapolis kids angle.
• 1:46:48
  SPEAKER_02: They just went and stole the motor oil and decided to go and and dump it on it.
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't I don't know.
• 1:46:55
  SPEAKER_25: Hey John, uh there is a rhyme and reason to all the broken windows in Minneapolis.
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_25: If you Google uh Somali-owned auto glass repair shops, uh there's quite a few of them down there.
• 1:47:07
  SPEAKER_25: It's just part of the graph, just another scam.
• 1:47:09
  SPEAKER_25: They're making money hand over fits for the kids out to break windows.
• 1:47:15
  SPEAKER_25: It's pretty obvious.
• 1:47:16
  SPEAKER_25: All right, thanks.
• 1:47:16
  SPEAKER_25: Have a good night.
• 1:47:17
  SPEAKER_25: Bye.
• 1:47:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well, hopefully someone does an investigation.
• 1:47:21
  SPEAKER_02: So we can uh actually look at that beyond just a theory and a conspiracy theory at that.
• 1:47:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying there isn't a through line there.
• 1:47:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying that without any evidence, I'm not inclined to go and jump on board of an argument like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: From Fox Nine this morning, man shot multiple times near Mary Tyler Moore statue in Minneapolis.
• 1:50:22
  SPEAKER_02: From Carolin this morning, a man shot in the parking lot of a Circle Pines gun shop, police say.
• 1:50:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'll have details, more details on that in uh just a moment.
• 1:50:33
  SPEAKER_02: Also, uh, from this morning, a U of M police and from Fox 9.
• 1:50:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh increased patrols in Dinky Town after shooting and stabbing.
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_02: We might be talking with uh Becca Thompson uh later on uh this uh this week.
• 1:50:47
  SPEAKER_02: Looking forward to uh potentially having the chance to chat with her about what appears to be an increase in violence.
• 1:50:52
  SPEAKER_02: But guys, I was told that violent crime and murders has declined sharply in 2025.
• 1:51:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, but um as uh as always, the devil is in the details.
• 1:51:06
  SPEAKER_02: So before I get to the truth behind these violent crime numbers, let me give you some details on this Circle Pines shooting.
• 1:51:15
  SPEAKER_02: A man was shot Saturday morning in the parking lot of the gun shop and shooting range in Circle Pines.
• 1:51:21
  SPEAKER_02: This is according to the Blaine Police Department.
• 1:51:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, police deputy Joe uh Gerhard said the officers were called to Bill's gun shop and range around 6.15 p.m.
• 1:51:31
  SPEAKER_02: After reports of gunshots in the parking lot, the officers found an adult male who had been shot.
• 1:51:36
  SPEAKER_02: The victim was conscious when the officers arrived and was taken to the hospital.
• 1:51:40
  SPEAKER_02: Police did not immediately provide information on where the man was shot, his current condition, or which hospital he was taken to.
• 1:51:48
  SPEAKER_02: No suspect was in custody as of Saturday evening, but police said investigators have leads and are following.
• 1:51:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Crime Watch Minneapolis has the information.
• 1:52:01
  SPEAKER_02: A suspect in the Bills Gunshot parking lot shooting yesterday in Circle Pines, currently on probation for another crime.
• 1:52:09
  SPEAKER_02: Color me not surprised.
• 1:52:12
  SPEAKER_02: Hennepin County Attorney Scary Moriarty tossed him a plea deal last year for zero time on possession of two firearms with the serial numbers scratched off, and downgraded the felony offense to be sentenced as a gross misdemeanor.
• 1:52:30
  SPEAKER_02: Judge Paul Scoggin approved the plea deal in a downward departure from the sentencing guidelines and stayed the 364-day jail sentence.
• 1:52:40
  SPEAKER_02: The suspect was back in court on a probation violation in the case earlier this summer and got another slap on the wrist with 15 days on electronic home monitoring.
• 1:52:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right now there's a bolo out for him, and Crime Watch Minneapolis says we'll update with the details when he's arrested.
• 1:52:59
  SPEAKER_02: Look, how many other examples do you need of the complete and total abject failure of social justice agendas?
• 1:53:12
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody had uh posted a text where they said the gun scratches themselves off.
• 1:53:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:53:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh let's go back to the uh blaster line.
• 1:53:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I do want to get to more details on this, but somebody else has a comment regarding the uh motor oil in the Alex Pready statue.
• 1:53:30
  SPEAKER_14: Hey, John, that previous collar was right on.
• 1:53:32
  SPEAKER_14: I mean, as soon as I heard you say synthetic motor oil, I thought the same thing.
• 1:53:37
  SPEAKER_14: There's no way this is conservative.
• 1:53:38
  SPEAKER_14: That synthetic is oil itself is expensive, but the synthetic is even worse.
• 1:53:43
  SPEAKER_14: So, yeah.
• 1:53:44
  SPEAKER_14: That collar was he nailed enough that we're not the only ones.
• 1:53:49
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for that.
• 1:53:50
  SPEAKER_02: And again, uh, I want to remind you 651-964-0294 is the blaster line for a voice or text message.
• 1:53:57
  SPEAKER_02: We will get into um Alpha News has a fantastic uh piece regarding uh these new uh detailed uh numbers coming out of the violent uh crimes and the truth behind them.
• 1:54:10
  SPEAKER_02: I I want to stick with this theme, though, of the revolving door of criminality for just a moment as we await um Tom Emmer joining us right at the top of the hour here on the John Justice Show.
• 1:54:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um but in uh the Fox 9 version of the story, it says that Minnesota recorded recorded 132 murders in 2025, down 172 from 2024, the fewest since 2019.
• 1:54:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's an important data point.
• 1:54:38
  SPEAKER_02: Minnesota's violent crime rate fell to uh 225.3 crimes per 100,000 residents in 2025, also its lowest level since 2019.
• 1:54:52
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the kicker on all this, though.
• 1:54:54
  SPEAKER_02: This is still higher than pre-COVID.
• 1:54:57
  SPEAKER_02: Point being, this is not a reason to celebrate.
• 1:55:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's not.
• 1:55:05
  SPEAKER_02: The numbers still, again, are still higher than they were pre-COVID.
• 1:55:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember talking about those numbers pre-COVID and the dangerous situation that we were in.
• 1:55:20
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, you know, temporarily it's better doing that thing with my fingers, but only just so much.
• 1:55:30
  SPEAKER_02: And we shared with you, you know, I shared with you earlier in the show this Benedict Agbagadigua Jr., who ended up murdering randomly Andrew James Wimsat, this you know good man, friends with individuals over at Fox News.
• 1:55:50
  SPEAKER_02: But this individual who committed this was arrested for theft, was dismissed.
• 1:55:55
  SPEAKER_02: In May was arrested for giving police a fake name, it was also dismissed.
• 1:55:58
  SPEAKER_02: And years earlier, he was arrested for theft.
• 1:56:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like so many of the issues that we're faced with on a daily basis in the country, you don't need reform.
• 1:56:11
  SPEAKER_02: No, you just need to enforce the existing laws that are on the books.
• 1:56:17
  SPEAKER_02: To that point, I've been holding on to this.
• 1:56:20
  SPEAKER_02: This is the perfect time to get into it ahead of my conversation with Tom Emmer.
• 1:56:24
  SPEAKER_02: But just hours before the masses shooting at Loring Park apartment complex two weeks ago, a building employee called police to report that the tenant had emailed the staff the night before threatening to shoot them.
• 1:56:38
  SPEAKER_02: The 35-year-old Carlton Johnson II had a pending eviction order and was known to own and carry a handgun.
• 1:56:47
  SPEAKER_02: And he warned the staff the day before of what he was going to do.
• 1:56:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's not the first time the property management had raised concerns about him either over menacing behavior.
• 1:56:57
  SPEAKER_02: He had a history of flashing firearms, harassing other residents, threatening staff.
• 1:57:02
  SPEAKER_02: And then later that afternoon, Johnson made good on all those threats.
• 1:57:07
  SPEAKER_02: Subsequently, there's a piece here from the Star Tribune that after, again, Carlton Johnson II carried out the mass shooting last week, two leaving two people dead and multiples injured, including the two Minneapolis police officers, questions swirled over how he received a permit to carry a gun in public in Hennepin County.
• 1:57:32
  SPEAKER_02: The fact that Johnson wasn't automatically denied a permit highlights how the state's permit carry laws, which were passed by the legislature back in 2003, are not uniformly vetted.
• 1:57:46
  SPEAKER_02: Rob Dorr from the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus is quoted in this piece.
• 1:57:51
  SPEAKER_02: Said that when Minnesota's permit to carry law was passed, county sheriffs fought to be able to deny gun permits based on investigations outside of background checks.
• 1:58:01
  SPEAKER_02: The only risk is that if the judge determines the denial was inappropriate, the sheriff has to pay the applicant's legal fees.
• 1:58:10
  SPEAKER_02: Each permit application costs between$100 and$10.
• 1:58:16
  SPEAKER_02: $100 and$10 of that goes to the state fund.
• 1:58:20
  SPEAKER_02: The amount of money each county pays to process the gun permits depends on staffing and expenses.
• 1:58:30
  SPEAKER_02: Last year, Hennepin County received$785,000 in gun permit fees, spent$975,000 processing applications.
• 1:58:38
  SPEAKER_02: Johnson's court history includes a litany of red flags in the wake of the killings.
• 1:58:43
  SPEAKER_02: Looks like missed opportunities to deny his permit.
• 1:58:47
  SPEAKER_02: Rob Dore went on to say there are numerous opportunities that any government official could have utilized to try to disarm this individual.
• 1:58:56
  SPEAKER_02: Our perspective is that these laws should be utilized before looking at more gun control measures to try to prevent these things.
• 1:59:03
  SPEAKER_02: As I mentioned, it's that, first off, that revolving door of criminality that continues to go and ends up keeping individuals like this on the street where they go and commit further harm.
• 1:59:15
  SPEAKER_02: And it points to the fact that we don't need reform.
• 1:59:18
  SPEAKER_02: We just need to enforce the laws that exist currently on the books.
• 1:59:23
  SPEAKER_02: 651-964-0294.
• 1:59:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's the blaster line.
• 1:59:29
  SPEAKER_02: If you want to leave us a comment at any point throughout the show, you can also email me, John.justice at americanexperiment.org.
• 1:59:37
  SPEAKER_02: And with that, we enter into the third hour of the show.
• 1:59:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I am uh very pleased uh to welcome on a Monday morning a post of midterm RNC Glow, Representative Tom Emmer.
• 1:59:49
  SPEAKER_02: Good morning, Tom.
• 1:59:50
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for coming on this morning.
• 1:59:51
  SPEAKER_44: Well, good to be with you, John.
• 1:59:53
  SPEAKER_44: Good morning.
• 1:59:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um Happy Monday to you too, and congratulations um on that rousing uh speech at the uh RNC last week.
• 2:00:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you're aware of this, but it certainly got a lot of positive attention um online uh in the wake of uh of your uh your time up on stage at that event.
• 2:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um what's your biggest takeaway from last week's um midterm RNC?
• 2:00:19
  SPEAKER_44: Well, it's uh that there's a lot more energy out there than the mainstream media would like us to believe, John.
• 2:00:25
  SPEAKER_44: It's uh it's pretty interesting.
• 2:00:27
  SPEAKER_44: You know, if our people show up on November 3rd, our people being uh the Trump supporters, Republican supporters, uh, if they recognize that this really is a uh choice between freedom, constitutional freedom, that this country is supposed to afford and communism, which is what the choice is, uh, they'll show up on uh November 3rd and we'll do great.
• 2:00:52
  SPEAKER_44: If we follow the same thing that midterms typically follow, which is the party that's in the White House uh is fat and happy and they uh they don't necessarily all show up the way they should, well then you got trouble.
• 2:01:06
  SPEAKER_44: And uh let's just say the communists, the Marxists, the anarchists are extremely motivated uh by their hatred of Donald Trump and everything we stand for.
• 2:01:16
  SPEAKER_44: Uh I think that convention last week showed me, it gave me some uh encouragement, John, that our people are definitely uh engaged and are ready to get out and vote.
• 2:01:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and we're only correct me, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here, but we're kind of eyeballing what, some 16 House seats and six or seven Senate seats.
• 2:01:37
  SPEAKER_02: Do I have those numbers um uh correct of the races that we're watching closely?
• 2:01:42
  SPEAKER_44: Yeah, I think you're I think you're closer than the professionals.
• 2:01:45
  SPEAKER_44: Uh, because seriously, John, they stay uh we'll tell you that there's probably 209 safe Republican seats in the House, and there's 205 safe Democrats uh in the House, which leaves you, I believe, 21 or something that uh are are the field, but I think you're closer.
• 2:02:04
  SPEAKER_44: I think what we're really gonna be talking about going into this last uh uh stretch, this last 50 days, are two things.
• 2:02:12
  SPEAKER_44: One, keeping everybody we already have, holding the seats we already have.
• 2:02:16
  SPEAKER_44: Cheapest seat to win is the one you already hold.
• 2:02:19
  SPEAKER_44: Uh, and then that's the field, right?
• 2:02:22
  SPEAKER_44: Up to 20 some seats, but I think it's gonna come down to 10 to 15.
• 2:02:26
  SPEAKER_44: That's why I think you're pretty close.
• 2:02:29
  SPEAKER_02: Do you how does this compare?
• 2:02:32
  SPEAKER_02: Let me let me back up.
• 2:02:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, heading into the last presidential race, uh, you know, I remembered just, you know, what the four years of what Biden had done, the way the left had react, you know, had reacted.
• 2:02:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this was a win doing that thing with my fingers of Joe Biden, where I think the expectation for a lot of people that voted for Biden was that, you know, Biden would be the adult in the room, but we would continue on the economic prosperity we were dealing with, and we just wouldn't have to hear about Trump anymore.
• 2:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: And clearly that wasn't the case.
• 2:03:05
  SPEAKER_02: We got four years of radical progressive policies under Biden, millions led in via the border, the list goes on and on.
• 2:03:12
  SPEAKER_02: It seems like we were in a very similar situation, just the details have changed heading into this election as well.
• 2:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: Do you feel the same way?
• 2:03:19
  SPEAKER_02: Because that felt like a referendum heading into that last presidential election against the left and their radical policies, and it feels like this is the same thing that we're dealing with this time around in the midterms.
• 2:03:29
  SPEAKER_44: Well, they're trying to make it feel that way, John, for sure.
• 2:03:32
  SPEAKER_44: The last election, I would call it a change election, uh, because we just couldn't take four more years of uh Biden's disastrous uh economic policies, uh, double-digit inflation that we hadn't seen in this country for 40 years.
• 2:03:47
  SPEAKER_44: Uh, everything was going through the roof.
• 2:03:50
  SPEAKER_44: Now, uh, the Democrats, you just can't believe the hypocrisy of these guys.
• 2:03:55
  SPEAKER_44: They created the train wreck, the economic train wreck.
• 2:03:58
  SPEAKER_44: Donald Trump and Republicans have been pulling us out of it.
• 2:04:01
  SPEAKER_44: And I'll tell you what, uh, we're not all the way there yet, John.
• 2:04:05
  SPEAKER_44: There are challenges in the economy, but here's the thing: there's a ton of good news going on.
• 2:04:10
  SPEAKER_44: I mean, it's uh they choose the word affordability, in my humble opinion, because it's just another word for the economy.
• 2:04:19
  SPEAKER_44: The election is always about the economy.
• 2:04:23
  SPEAKER_44: Uh, and in this case, you pick affordability because you can now pluck out the trees that you want to focus on.
• 2:04:29
  SPEAKER_44: We're gonna focus on gas prices.
• 2:04:32
  SPEAKER_44: Uh, probably uh uh the best thing that they can focus on.
• 2:04:36
  SPEAKER_44: Why?
• 2:04:36
  SPEAKER_44: Because we don't fill our tank every day, but we do drive by that sign every day, John.
• 2:04:41
  SPEAKER_44: So we're reminded regularly.
• 2:04:43
  SPEAKER_44: Uh, and by the way, it really doesn't help to tell them that we're still well below where the highest gas price got in the uh the Biden era for at least the uh the regular and unleaded stuff.
• 2:04:56
  SPEAKER_44: Uh the uh but price of eggs is down to pre-pandemic uh uh uh amount.
• 2:05:02
  SPEAKER_44: So why don't we talk about that?
• 2:05:04
  SPEAKER_44: Oh no, we're gonna talk about beef because beef is uh is higher.
• 2:05:07
  SPEAKER_44: So, yes, they are trying to manufacture that same thing on our side, but here's the problem I have.
• 2:05:13
  SPEAKER_44: Well, perception needs to catch up with the reality of this economy, which is just look at the jobs report last week, John.
• 2:05:21
  SPEAKER_44: Three times anything that they expected.
• 2:05:23
  SPEAKER_44: And they weren't creating jobs for the gig economy, right?
• 2:05:27
  SPEAKER_44: Not for Uber, not for DoorDash.
• 2:05:29
  SPEAKER_44: These are high-tech jobs, these are uh manufacturing jobs with the billions being reinvested into this country that are high-paying jobs with benefits.
• 2:05:40
  SPEAKER_44: I mean, there are great things happening in the economy, so I'll stop here.
• 2:05:44
  SPEAKER_44: It's interesting.
• 2:05:46
  SPEAKER_44: It their spending, consumer spending is up 6% from a year ago, John.
• 2:05:52
  SPEAKER_44: The behavior does not match the perception that they want us to believe.
• 2:05:57
  SPEAKER_44: So uh is it a uh is it a change election?
• 2:06:00
  SPEAKER_44: No, I think it's more of a choice election.
• 2:06:03
  SPEAKER_44: It's a choice between common sense and communism.
• 2:06:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and I'm not the first one to point this out, and maybe I'm in the minority here, but would we talk about the gas prices?
• 2:06:13
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, as you mentioned, comparing them, they were still higher under Biden.
• 2:06:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh for me personally, if if it means keeping Iran from developing a nuclear weapon and stripping away their ability to potentially wage war against us, and certainly, you know, our our our men and women service members overseas and our allies, if that means that I have to pay a little bit higher price at the pump for a period of time, I'm personally okay with that, which is certainly much different than why Joe Biden had the gas prices where they were when he was in office.
• 2:06:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I know I might be in the minority um in in that sense, but do you feel as if Trump is going to be able to sort of rein in what's happening with Iran to get those prices down somewhat prior to um uh November?
• 2:07:01
  SPEAKER_44: Well, that's anybody's guess.
• 2:07:03
  SPEAKER_44: I mean, uh they are devastated, John.
• 2:07:05
  SPEAKER_44: They being the uh IRGC and the Ayatollahs.
• 2:07:09
  SPEAKER_44: And by the way, the uh Iranian people are getting uh feeling the pain.
• 2:07:14
  SPEAKER_44: I mean, they have uh uh they have lines for gas that I'm told are three miles long.
• 2:07:20
  SPEAKER_44: They're having trouble getting uh the basic necessities of life, uh food and water.
• 2:07:27
  SPEAKER_44: Uh this this is reaching uh some pretty serious uh uh stages of the conflict.
• 2:07:34
  SPEAKER_44: Uh that being said, the IRGC and the uh and the uh Aetolus, and there was a report out over the weekend that uh the Chinese, uh which I'm sure uh Z and Trump will talk about uh when they get together here shortly, the Chinese, their uh satellites identified targets for the Iranians with their drones.
• 2:07:56
  SPEAKER_44: So I mean, this is what you're you're uh you're battling.
• 2:08:00
  SPEAKER_44: I I can't tell you that it's gonna be over tomorrow, but I agree with you.
• 2:08:04
  SPEAKER_44: I I don't think you're in the minority.
• 2:08:06
  SPEAKER_44: I think uh you just happen to be one of those folks that's talking about it.
• 2:08:10
  SPEAKER_44: I think most Americans, uh these political elitists here in Washington, D.C.
• 2:08:14
  SPEAKER_44: and writing for these ridiculous papers, including uh the Wall Street Journal, that seems to want to point out that uh, oh, we're not doing well in Iran.
• 2:08:23
  SPEAKER_44: We are.
• 2:08:24
  SPEAKER_44: Navy's gone.
• 2:08:25
  SPEAKER_44: The all of their infrastructure is gone.
• 2:08:28
  SPEAKER_44: They're actually failing as a country, and the sanctions are working.
• 2:08:32
  SPEAKER_44: When that finally brings them to the ground, uh, John, that's anyone's guess, but the the strait, the strait is moving again, and it's going to continue to move.
• 2:08:42
  SPEAKER_44: So if we could solve the problem, by the way, we could do it overnight by passing by repealing a law in this country uh that forces us to put our oil on the uh world market.
• 2:08:53
  SPEAKER_44: Why don't we just satisfy American needs first?
• 2:08:57
  SPEAKER_44: We should do that, that would solve the problem very quickly.
• 2:09:01
  SPEAKER_02: Talking with uh Representative Tom Memer, one last thing before I let you go.
• 2:09:04
  SPEAKER_02: Let's just talk about the uh the game plan for the House um to uh keep power uh in the house.
• 2:09:11
  SPEAKER_02: I know there's a focus on some key districts, but I'm curious.
• 2:09:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we had some redistricting uh that took place, uh Texas and uh and Florida.
• 2:09:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um is that gonna make a tangible difference in uh in your mind in retaining uh control of the House?
• 2:09:24
  SPEAKER_44: Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:09:25
  SPEAKER_44: I mean, they did some redistricting on their side.
• 2:09:28
  SPEAKER_44: They now have uh uh 21 of their members, I think it's 21 or 22, are in seats that Donald Trump won in the last presidential cycle, John.
• 2:09:38
  SPEAKER_44: So uh they've got a big challenge on their hands.
• 2:09:42
  SPEAKER_44: We start out, uh, if you want to be extremely conservative with their redistricting, we lost four seats in California.
• 2:09:48
  SPEAKER_44: We lost one seat in uh Salt Lake City, Utah.
• 2:09:51
  SPEAKER_44: Now you're gonna get Maine, so now you're minus uh uh a net minus four.
• 2:09:56
  SPEAKER_44: You're gonna get uh uh you're gonna get Tennessee, net minus three, you're gonna get Alabama, net minus two, you're gonna get Louisiana, net minus uh one.
• 2:10:06
  SPEAKER_44: You haven't even talked about uh Texas or Florida.
• 2:10:09
  SPEAKER_44: Florida's got up to four that we can pick up, and Texas has up to five that we can pick up.
• 2:10:15
  SPEAKER_44: So all these people that say uh the house is lost and it's gonna flip, it's the same uh nonsense they do every two years.
• 2:10:23
  SPEAKER_44: The prognosticators either to excite us, they tell us that we're gonna have a red wave, right?
• 2:10:31
  SPEAKER_44: And uh, so everybody gets all excited when you don't have a red wave because you were never gonna have a red wave, they express disappointment.
• 2:10:38
  SPEAKER_44: Why didn't they perform as well?
• 2:10:40
  SPEAKER_44: The other side of it is you're gonna lose 24 seats.
• 2:10:43
  SPEAKER_44: You remember that one?
• 2:10:44
  SPEAKER_44: The week before the 2020 election.
• 2:10:46
  SPEAKER_44: You're gonna lose 24 seats in the House.
• 2:10:48
  SPEAKER_44: John, we beat 12 Democrats that night.
• 2:10:51
  SPEAKER_44: We almost flipped the House in a two-year presidential cycle for the first time in 50 years.
• 2:10:56
  SPEAKER_44: So, look, the mechanics are good.
• 2:10:58
  SPEAKER_44: Uh, you gotta stick the landing, though, at the end.
• 2:11:01
  SPEAKER_44: And I think your questions are pretty uh uh pretty timely when we're talking about the conflict in Iran and when we're talking about people's perception of what is happening in our economy.
• 2:11:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I feel like I stuck the landing on our conversation this morning.
• 2:11:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, Representative Tom Emmer, as always, it's uh great to see you and to speak with you, and I hope we can do the same again uh next week.
• 2:11:25
  SPEAKER_02: We have uh comments that have been rolling into the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 2:11:32
  SPEAKER_18: Yeah, I'm still not really sure how they get away with claiming gas prices are so high.
• 2:11:37
  SPEAKER_18: I realize they're high, but if you look back in the eighties, it was up to two bucks a gallon.
• 2:11:42
  SPEAKER_18: And the cars, I don't know, the car I was driving was an old LTD, got ten miles of the gallon, now they get up to fifty.
• 2:11:49
  SPEAKER_18: And if people ain't making four dollars an hour, they're making more like forty dollars an hour.
• 2:11:54
  SPEAKER_18: But it seems kind of out of control.
• 2:11:56
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for the comment.
• 2:11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Again, six five one nine six four.
• 2:12:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh from Alpha News, 2025 sees violent crime drop, but numbers are still up from before the riots and COVID.
• 2:12:10
  SPEAKER_02: I want to get into the details of this because this new uh BCA crime report is going to be exploited by the left.
• 2:12:22
  SPEAKER_02: And it's nothing to get excited over.
• 2:12:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to explain how coming up in just a moment from uh Alpha News.
• 2:12:27
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  SPEAKER_35: I don't think any other state has this besides Minnesota.
• 2:13:39
  SPEAKER_35: Okay, number one, you can vouch for up to eight people.
• 2:13:41
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah.
• 2:13:41
  SPEAKER_35: But then we also have same-day election uh registration, and we don't have provisional ballots.
• 2:13:46
  SPEAKER_35: So those elements all combine together.
• 2:13:48
  SPEAKER_35: You don't other states that have same-day voter registration have a provisional ballot.
• 2:13:52
  SPEAKER_35: And so when you register to vote, typically if you're doing it in advance, you know, your your registration is checked so that when you actually go to vote on election day, you've been vetted by the state in some way.
• 2:14:02
  SPEAKER_35: Um but when you have same-day registration, obviously there's not time for that to happen.
• 2:14:06
  SPEAKER_35: And so your vote gets counted immediately.
• 2:14:08
  SPEAKER_35: It gets put into the pool and it's never coming back out.
• 2:14:10
  SPEAKER_35: Other states, they will have same-day registrants use a what's called a provisional ballot.
• 2:14:15
  SPEAKER_35: And so, you know, they they cast their vote, but it's set off aside, and it's not actually added into the mix until their registration has been verified, which makes sense.
• 2:14:23
  SPEAKER_35: You know, Minnesota doesn't have that.
• 2:14:25
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• 2:14:37
  SPEAKER_37: Think about it.
• 2:14:38
  SPEAKER_37: Black and Hispanic students in Mississippi perform better in reading and math than black and Hispanic students in Minnesota.
• 2:14:45
  SPEAKER_37: And Mississippi spends thousands of dollars less per student than Minnesota.
• 2:14:49
  SPEAKER_37: Mississippi spends less money, gets better results, and their achievement gaps are closing, while ours are getting worse.
• 2:14:56
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  SPEAKER_36: So Scott Pressler, he's a conservative activist, he posted on X that he also did some of these data requests.
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  SPEAKER_36: And he was told that in St.
• 2:15:14
  SPEAKER_36: Louis County, which is the home of Duluth, 737 people registered to vote through vouching.
• 2:15:21
  SPEAKER_36: 737.
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  SPEAKER_36: So let's go back to the 2022 election really quick just to see if we can get a clear example of okay, will that number of people vouching ever really matter?
• 2:15:32
  SPEAKER_36: It seems like a small number.
• 2:15:34
  SPEAKER_36: Well, in 2022, in the Cottage Grove Hastings area, Democrat Judy Seeberger won her state Senate election by 321 votes.
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  SPEAKER_36: As our listeners may remember, the Democrats held the Senate that year by one seat.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have a number of different issues that we will talk about with uh Bill, including the Star Tribune publishing a 4,000-word story on Minnesota fraud in human services program, focusing on the feeding our future case.
• 2:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm working off a version here from Scott Johnson in a Power Line blog, Minnesota's fraud fiasco.
• 2:16:31
  SPEAKER_02: The story highlights the Walls administration's failure to address the fraud threat, but of course omits key details, such as the Wall's deflection of blame and the judge's statement regarding the Department of Education's voluntary resumption of payments to feeding our future.
• 2:16:50
  SPEAKER_02: The story also downplays the role of the Somali community and the fear of accusations of racism in the state's response.
• 2:16:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm fairly certain it doesn't even once mention uh Peggy Flanagan in the entire piece.
• 2:17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Just conveniently forgot that she was the lieutenant governor.
• 2:17:10
  SPEAKER_02: In the meantime, statistics show reports of violent crime fell from the prior year, but murders statewide in Minneapolis were still above the 2019 numbers, according to the piece here from Alpha News, which was uh prior to the crime spike that followed the George Floyd riots and the COVID lockdowns of 2020.
• 2:17:29
  SPEAKER_02: So you've got um, according to this BCA report on 2025 violent crime, a couple of details here.
• 2:17:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh violent crime levels declined in 2025, 132 murders in 25 in Minnesota compared to 172 in 2024.
• 2:17:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yay, yay.
• 2:17:47
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe, I guess.
• 2:17:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 2:17:49
  SPEAKER_02: Are we supposed to get excited?
• 2:17:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I guess it's good that it's down, but still bad.
• 2:17:55
  SPEAKER_02: There was a 1.9% decrease in rapes in 2025.
• 2:18:01
  SPEAKER_02: That total, by the way, 2,188 individuals.
• 2:18:09
  SPEAKER_02: Most of the rapes occurred at home, 71.8%.
• 2:18:13
  SPEAKER_02: 37.5% were victims.
• 2:18:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, of the victims were minors.
• 2:18:20
  SPEAKER_02: Is it just me, or does that feel like that should be a much bigger story?
• 2:18:24
  SPEAKER_02: Something that we're talking about more often.
• 2:18:26
  SPEAKER_02: Trying to get to the root causes of, trying to address.
• 2:18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Motor vehicle thefts decreased 22.4% in 2025, with 9,803 vehicles stolen compared with 12,634 in 2024.
• 2:18:44
  SPEAKER_02: All of these numbers still suck, even if they're going down.
• 2:18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Carjacking incidents, including attempted carjackings, decreased 31%.
• 2:18:54
  SPEAKER_02: 294 incidents in 2025 compared to 426 in 2024.
• 2:19:00
  SPEAKER_02: 64,157 incidents of larceny.
• 2:19:06
  SPEAKER_02: The lowest number in 57 years.
• 2:19:08
  SPEAKER_02: So that again, yay.
• 2:19:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm having a hard time getting excited over any of these numbers.
• 2:19:14
  SPEAKER_02: My point is take the individual numbers without looking at the drop.
• 2:19:18
  SPEAKER_02: And let's address that.
• 2:19:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's still too many.
• 2:19:23
  SPEAKER_02: Bias crimes remain steady.
• 2:19:26
  SPEAKER_02: Law enforcement use of force incidents involving discharging a firearm also dropped to 21, six fewer than 24.
• 2:19:34
  SPEAKER_02: Law enforcement officers were assaulted in 981 incidents in 25.
• 2:19:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's a 1.3% decrease from 2024.
• 2:19:45
  SPEAKER_02: Notably, St.
• 2:19:47
  SPEAKER_02: Paul tallied 15 homicides in 25 compared to 30 in 2019.
• 2:19:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's half of its pre-riot murder stat.
• 2:19:58
  SPEAKER_02: Of the 294 carjacking incidents statewide in 25, 215 of them occurred in Minneapolis.
• 2:20:07
  SPEAKER_02: St.
• 2:20:07
  SPEAKER_02: Paul accounted for 34 of them.
• 2:20:11
  SPEAKER_02: Of the 224 reports in the bias crime category, anti-black bias had the largest number of reports at 60, followed by anti-LGBT at 36 and anti-Jewish at 22.
• 2:20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Friend of the show Julie had asked, What about the car windows being smashed?
• 2:20:29
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have that data.
• 2:20:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it was in the BCA report.
• 2:20:35
  SPEAKER_02: But I do appreciate your asking.
• 2:20:37
  SPEAKER_02: The BCA report also details the property uh crime reports a decrease from 2024 in most categories, including burglary, larceny, vehicle theft, and arson.
• 2:20:48
  SPEAKER_02: Now, the overall downward trend in violent crime in Minnesota corresponds to a downward trend across the United States since Trump took office.
• 2:20:57
  SPEAKER_02: So if you are going to take a positive away from this, you can thank President Donald Trump in the election.
• 2:21:02
  SPEAKER_02: See how that works?
• 2:21:08
  SPEAKER_02: A sobering caveat, however.
• 2:21:10
  SPEAKER_02: You knew it was coming, right?
• 2:21:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh to the decreasing crime numbers is a 2024 report by the Bureau of Crime Statistics, which suggests that less than half of all violent crimes are actually reported to authorities.
• 2:21:28
  SPEAKER_02: The BJS report states that property crime reporting rate is even lower, with over 66% of those crimes going unreported.
• 2:21:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's unclear if a new law involving juvenile prosecutions that went into effect last month after being passed during the DFL trifecta may have also skewed the crime numbers.
• 2:21:50
  SPEAKER_02: The new law limits prosecution of juveniles in the state of Minnesota, raising the age of prosecution from 13 from the prior age of 10.
• 2:21:59
  SPEAKER_02: That was a mistake.
• 2:22:01
  SPEAKER_02: I recall the moment this was a long, long time ago.
• 2:22:09
  SPEAKER_02: But it used to be when I was growing up, not in Devin's world, producer Devin's world, but in my world and probably a lot of your worlds.
• 2:22:16
  SPEAKER_02: It used to be that if you got into a fender bender, you can get a law enforcement officer to show up to do the report.
• 2:22:22
  SPEAKER_02: I remember that changing.
• 2:22:24
  SPEAKER_02: I want to say it was the mid to late 90s.
• 2:22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Where if you got into a fender bender with somebody you disunderstood, yeah, you're not going to get law enforcement to come and essentially they're not going to be wasting their time because they were dealing with other issues.
• 2:22:36
  SPEAKER_02: We've gone much, much further down the slippery slope regarding when law enforcement is going to respond and when they aren't, especially relating to things like property crimes.
• 2:22:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it'll be interesting to see, and hopefully, somebody gets into the details of whether or not some of these laws the DFL has passed, as mentioned in the Alpha News story, uh, actually did skew these numbers to be more positive than they really are.
• 2:23:06
  SPEAKER_08: Good morning, John Jeff.
• 2:23:08
  SPEAKER_08: This is Jack.
• 2:23:09
  SPEAKER_08: Say, uh correct me if I'm wrong.
• 2:23:13
  SPEAKER_08: These numbers are crime.
• 2:23:16
  SPEAKER_08: If the perpetrator pleads to a lesser case or gets released, it's not even counted as a crime.
• 2:23:26
  SPEAKER_08: Am I correct in that?
• 2:23:28
  SPEAKER_08: A lot of that seems to be going on too.
• 2:23:30
  SPEAKER_08: Revolving door justice.
• 2:23:32
  SPEAKER_08: Or should we say revolving door jaw justice?
• 2:23:36
  SPEAKER_08: Oh.
• 2:23:37
  SPEAKER_08: Have a good day.
• 2:23:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, I think you're I think you're right.
• 2:23:40
  SPEAKER_02: Depending on what the crime, depending on what the judge um ends up ruling, there's a lot of crime that just simply even goes unreported.
• 2:23:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's those juvenile numbers and the change in the law that I'm most interested in, in what Alpha News had mentioned in that story.
• 2:23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of Alpha News, let me share this with you.
• 2:24:01
  SPEAKER_02: Police uh expert Dr.
• 2:24:02
  SPEAKER_02: Travis Yates, talking with Liz Collin last week, criticized Minnesota politicians for allegedly lying to the public about police leadership and public safety, highlighting the unlawful uh prosecution of police officers, the dwindling number of Minneapolis police officers, and the need for a reality check on the idea of reimagining public safety.
• 2:24:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's very listen, it's very similar to what I was saying earlier.
• 2:24:30
  SPEAKER_02: We don't need reform if we were to just go and enforce the existing laws that we have on the books.
• 2:24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yates emphasized the importance of electing leaders who prioritize law and order and public safety.
• 2:24:45
  SPEAKER_02: He goes on to say the politicians are lying to the people of Minnesota like a cult.
• 2:24:50
  SPEAKER_02: He's an expert on police leadership and training, a retired police uh major, and joined Liz Coleman last week.
• 2:24:55
  SPEAKER_02: Here is a brief portion of their conversation available at alpha news.org.
• 2:25:00
  SPEAKER_32: And now here we are, more than six years later, the Red Set of History seems to have gone very wrong.
• 2:25:05
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, some numbers here in May of 2020, we had nearly 900 Minneapolis police officers.
• 2:25:12
  SPEAKER_32: There are now less than half that.
• 2:25:15
  SPEAKER_32: Several sources uh telling us there are just 395 MPD officers.
• 2:25:20
  SPEAKER_32: And get this, 29 of them are actually in field training.
• 2:25:24
  SPEAKER_32: So that means they're they're not full-fledged cops just yet.
• 2:25:27
  SPEAKER_32: 211 of these officers were hired since 2021.
• 2:25:31
  SPEAKER_32: So, in other words, more than half of the department has only five years of police experience or less.
• 2:25:38
  SPEAKER_32: You train different departments, I know, Dr.
• 2:25:41
  SPEAKER_32: Yates, in different parts of the country.
• 2:25:42
  SPEAKER_32: Is Minneapolis on the right side of history?
• 2:25:45
  SPEAKER_32: Are we really seeing the improved and reimagined police department of the future, you know, that everyone claimed uh it would be back in 2020?
• 2:25:53
  SPEAKER_07: Well, if reimagining means a magic trick where the entire police department disappears, I guess it does mean that.
• 2:25:59
  SPEAKER_07: Uh listen, I've been saying this for a long time, as you know, Liz.
• 2:26:03
  SPEAKER_07: The Minneapolis Police Department does not have a they don't have a police department.
• 2:26:06
  SPEAKER_07: They don't.
• 2:26:07
  SPEAKER_07: Any police department that's down, those number of officers, they're not responding in a timely fashion at all to anything.
• 2:26:13
  SPEAKER_07: They're not stopping anything, they're not being proactive, they're not investigating things, but they will not exist in five years.
• 2:26:20
  SPEAKER_07: I keep telling people this, they don't believe me.
• 2:26:22
  SPEAKER_07: Well, now they're half down, maybe they'll start believing me, but it's not too late for the citizens.
• 2:26:27
  SPEAKER_07: The people that live in Minneapolis need to understand you're being lied to in a sense like a cult.
• 2:26:33
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, there's an entire cult that's lying to them, and they've got to break through that, understand what's happening, and then vote accordingly.
• 2:26:42
  SPEAKER_24: Morning, John Gonzo.
• 2:26:44
  SPEAKER_24: Been a little wild.
• 2:26:46
  SPEAKER_24: Um, as you know, I spent 32 years on Henderson County Corrections as a probation officer, and I can honestly say I have never, ever, in all my 32 years, ever saw anyone go to prison for illegal use of a firearm.
• 2:27:04
  SPEAKER_24: 99% of the time, it happens just like this person did.
• 2:27:09
  SPEAKER_24: They put them on probation with a reduced charge, and if they violate again, they just put them back on probation again.
• 2:27:16
  SPEAKER_24: It's all about keeping them on probation.
• 2:27:18
  SPEAKER_24: They don't want to use prisons because that's expensive.
• 2:27:21
  SPEAKER_24: That's why I left in 2021.
• 2:27:24
  SPEAKER_24: I couldn't handle the unaccountability anymore.
• 2:27:27
  SPEAKER_24: Great show so far.
• 2:27:29
  SPEAKER_24: Happy Monday.
• 2:27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and Liz Cullen posted this last week.
• 2:27:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, in May of 2020, Minneapolis had nearly 888 police officers.
• 2:27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Several sources say there are now only 395 officers.
• 2:27:44
  SPEAKER_02: She mentioned this briefly in the clip.
• 2:27:46
  SPEAKER_02: 29 of them still in field training.
• 2:27:49
  SPEAKER_02: 211 of those officers hired since 2021.
• 2:27:53
  SPEAKER_02: More than half have five years police experience or less.
• 2:27:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's just, it is, it's astonishing to see those numbers, and not surprising with what we see of the negative ramifications of those numbers.
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  SPEAKER_20: Good morning, John.
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  SPEAKER_20: Remember that these statistics are coming out from the BCA.
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  SPEAKER_20: The BCA administration is appointed by the governor.
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  SPEAKER_20: They're not going to let the governor or the potential governor look bad.
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  SPEAKER_20: So they're going to alter these statistics.
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  SPEAKER_20: Are they lying?
• 2:33:10
  SPEAKER_20: No.
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  SPEAKER_20: But you can keep statistics whatever way you want to get the results that you want.
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  SPEAKER_20: And that's exactly what you want.
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  SPEAKER_20: So don't take them if there's more to it than just that purport.
• 2:33:24
  SPEAKER_20: But the Democrats are going to run with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Interesting commentary regarding the BCA report because you really can't say the same, at least in my view, when it comes to this Star Tribune 4,000 word story on Minnesota's fraud and heroin.
• 2:34:00
  SPEAKER_02: Human Services Program, focusing on the feeding our future case, here to talk a bit about that and more as policy fellow here at Center of the American Experiment, uh Bill Glom.
• 2:34:09
  SPEAKER_02: Good morning, Bill.
• 2:34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for uh coming in early on a Monday morning.
• 2:34:13
  SPEAKER_02: I greatly appreciate it.
• 2:34:14
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for having me.
• 2:34:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's interesting.
• 2:34:16
  SPEAKER_02: This um the Star Tribune report on fraud, uh critical of Governor Tim Walls.
• 2:34:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I imagine they probably got they got his sign off on it before uh publishing it.
• 2:34:30
  SPEAKER_02: But as we've been talking about this morning, I haven't seen um any new I haven't seen any mention in the story of of Peggy Flanagan or Keith Ellison in this.
• 2:34:42
  SPEAKER_02: What was your I know you wrote uh you you you wrote did a write-up on this at AmericanExperiment.org, but what were your thoughts on this um on this piece from Ryan Faircloth and the Star Tribune?
• 2:34:51
  SPEAKER_42: Well, first of all, uh let me just start with Ryan is a good reporter.
• 2:34:54
  SPEAKER_42: So I have a lot of respect for him and his work.
• 2:34:57
  SPEAKER_42: Uh I and I don't say that about every uh reporter working in this market.
• 2:35:00
  SPEAKER_42: So Ryan is a good reporter.
• 2:35:02
  SPEAKER_42: It was a well-written, well-researched piece.
• 2:35:06
  SPEAKER_42: It does have those glaring omissions.
• 2:35:08
  SPEAKER_42: I 4,000 words.
• 2:35:10
  SPEAKER_42: I read the whole thing.
• 2:35:10
  SPEAKER_42: I don't remember Peggy Flanagan being mentioned one, the lieutenant governor.
• 2:35:14
  SPEAKER_42: I don't remember uh Keith Ellison being mentioned one.
• 2:35:17
  SPEAKER_42: He's our attorney general.
• 2:35:18
  SPEAKER_42: He should have played a significant role in fighting fraud, given his position in state government.
• 2:35:25
  SPEAKER_42: I don't remember him being mentioned.
• 2:35:27
  SPEAKER_42: Kind of my cynical political take on it was that somebody has to take the fall for this.
• 2:35:33
  SPEAKER_42: It's multi-billion dollars of fraud.
• 2:35:35
  SPEAKER_42: It's a major campaign issue, up and down the ticket for the uh November election.
• 2:35:42
  SPEAKER_42: Tim Walls is the one guy not running this uh this fall.
• 2:35:46
  SPEAKER_42: He decided that he just couldn't overcome the fraud scandal and decided not to run for a third term, which is extremely rare.
• 2:35:53
  SPEAKER_42: Nobody gets a third term in as governor.
• 2:35:56
  SPEAKER_42: Right.
• 2:35:56
  SPEAKER_42: Uh Keith Allison is running for a third term, he's not mentioned.
• 2:35:59
  SPEAKER_42: The lieutenant governor, Peggy Flanagan, is running for the U.S.
• 2:36:03
  SPEAKER_42: Senate.
• 2:36:04
  SPEAKER_42: She wasn't mentioned.
• 2:36:05
  SPEAKER_42: So it's kind of uh a glaring omissions in the story.
• 2:36:09
  SPEAKER_42: But I don't know about sign off on it.
• 2:36:10
  SPEAKER_42: It does say at the very end that uh they they reached out to the governor himself and he wouldn't answer questions.
• 2:36:17
  SPEAKER_42: They gave him a list of questions, they put out a one-paragraph statement about his view on the whole thing.
• 2:36:23
  SPEAKER_42: Uh, he's not quoted other than statements he's made over the years on the subject of fraud in Minnesota.
• 2:36:29
  SPEAKER_42: So it just seems like uh we're trying to put this issue behind the Democrats so they don't have to talk about on the campaign trail by by blaming the outgoing governor for the whole thing and saying, oh, well, we've learned all the lessons and this is behind us now.
• 2:36:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and okay, so fair assessment on on uh on Ryan Faircloss reporting, and and I agree, and I agree with you, but I think you and I um kind of came to the same conclusion, going to like what's the intent of this?
• 2:36:56
  SPEAKER_02: And it really seemed like, hey, let's take that spotlight on this issue that everybody seems to be top of mind, and let's just make sure that we continue to keep it on governor on governor walls.
• 2:37:06
  SPEAKER_02: Do you there's a lot of criticism.
• 2:37:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not wording that wonkly, uh, wonkily.
• 2:37:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um Amy Clobichard has said, you know, if she's elected, she is going to, you know, launch a full up and down audit of of the government, and people, myself included, have kind of criticized that going, well, why not why not do that now?
• 2:37:25
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think that's a fair criticism in when she says, hey, if you elect me, we'll go ahead and tackle this.
• 2:37:31
  SPEAKER_02: But she's kind of in a position where she could urge the governor to do it now.
• 2:37:34
  SPEAKER_42: Right.
• 2:37:34
  SPEAKER_42: She's a U.S.
• 2:37:35
  SPEAKER_42: senator.
• 2:37:35
  SPEAKER_42: She serves on committees at the U.S.
• 2:37:38
  SPEAKER_42: Senate.
• 2:37:39
  SPEAKER_42: She could have her colleagues call a hearing and try to get to the bottom of this.
• 2:37:44
  SPEAKER_42: She could do a lot of this work now through the U.S.
• 2:37:46
  SPEAKER_42: Senate.
• 2:37:47
  SPEAKER_42: The Senate itself has had hearings, the Judiciary Committee in particular, on fraud in Minnesota.
• 2:37:54
  SPEAKER_42: So she could have participated in that.
• 2:37:55
  SPEAKER_42: She could have urged more of that.
• 2:37:57
  SPEAKER_42: But then again, Democrats uh hold the governor's office, they hold the attorney general's office.
• 2:38:03
  SPEAKER_42: They could do a lot of this now if they were of a mind to do it.
• 2:38:06
  SPEAKER_42: The governor could call a special session today.
• 2:38:09
  SPEAKER_42: We could be in session tomorrow at the state capitol, passing this agenda that Amy Klobuchar claims to have that's gonna fix fraud once and for all.
• 2:38:17
  SPEAKER_42: Her top-to-bottom audit of state government.
• 2:38:20
  SPEAKER_42: Why wait until January?
• 2:38:22
  SPEAKER_42: We could launch it today.
• 2:38:23
  SPEAKER_42: Maybe the report would be ready for the new governor who's gonna be inaugurated right after the first of the year.
• 2:38:29
  SPEAKER_42: So, yeah, she's been making this claim.
• 2:38:32
  SPEAKER_42: I was watching Sunday Night Football last night and her commercial came on.
• 2:38:36
  SPEAKER_42: She said that exact same thing.
• 2:38:37
  SPEAKER_42: Elect me, and I will fix the things that are broken and keep the things that aren't broken.
• 2:38:43
  SPEAKER_42: We're gonna do a top-to-bottom audit of state government, get rid of all the fraud.
• 2:38:48
  SPEAKER_42: We could do that today.
• 2:38:49
  SPEAKER_42: There's no need to wait.
• 2:38:50
  SPEAKER_02: When it comes to if you're not let me back up, if you're not following Bill Glawn online, you definitely need to do so.
• 2:38:57
  SPEAKER_02: I know that you are down at the courthouse.
• 2:38:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you it seems like you're up down there every week at this point in time, right?
• 2:39:02
  SPEAKER_02: At least once a week.
• 2:39:03
  SPEAKER_02: Is it on your calendar of a weekly?
• 2:39:05
  SPEAKER_42: Well, it all depends on it all depends on what's on the docket.
• 2:39:08
  SPEAKER_42: Uh, but I I get down to the one of the federal courthouses, either in Minneapolis or St.
• 2:39:13
  SPEAKER_42: Paul, at least once a week, usually about twice a week.
• 2:39:16
  SPEAKER_02: We were having a, if you're not following Bill Glon online, you need to, because he's staying on top of the of the fraud issue.
• 2:39:21
  SPEAKER_02: We were having a a bit of a conversation off-air about that.
• 2:39:25
  SPEAKER_02: And it sounds, it sounds like when you go down to the courthouse, you kind of have the same frustration that I have covering the news every single day.
• 2:39:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a level of frustration of what you're seeing happen in front of you in the courtroom.
• 2:39:37
  SPEAKER_02: Can you talk a little bit more about that?
• 2:39:38
  SPEAKER_42: Yeah, you know, the courtroom is laid out as you would expect.
• 2:39:41
  SPEAKER_42: The judge is in the front of the room, then you have the lawyers and and everybody, and then there's a gallery, usually three to five rows in the back of the courtroom.
• 2:39:49
  SPEAKER_42: And they're the church-style wooden pews, not very comfortable.
• 2:39:53
  SPEAKER_42: And some of these hearings will go hours even.
• 2:39:56
  SPEAKER_42: And it's very frustrating to be in the back of the room and not being able to say anything.
• 2:40:00
  SPEAKER_42: If I were to stand up and say something, you know, I would never be allowed back in, and for good reason.
• 2:40:04
  SPEAKER_42: But uh, it can be very frustrating at times to see the injustice, if you will, play out right in front of your eyes.
• 2:40:10
  SPEAKER_42: It's like uh watching on TV, but it's live action.
• 2:40:13
  SPEAKER_42: And it's uh some of these uh judicial decisions, some of the outcomes of these cases are super frustrating and seem I'm not a lawyer, but they just seem contrary to law and contrary to public order and all that.
• 2:40:27
  SPEAKER_02: As sort of the the fraud guru of the group, for lack of a better way to describe it, is there an aspect of the commentary surrounding the fraud that you don't think gets talked about enough, or perhaps is misguided from those that, you know, that, you know, even myself included.
• 2:40:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just kind of curious to get your perspective on the fraud issue and whether or not there's things that are missed or aspects of it that people kind of consistently get wrong.
• 2:40:54
  SPEAKER_42: Well, I guess there were the thing that we aren't allowed to talk about uh is mildly frustrating.
• 2:41:00
  SPEAKER_42: And the thing that we talk about way too much that uh really is misplaced.
• 2:41:05
  SPEAKER_42: The first thing is the demographics of fraud.
• 2:41:07
  SPEAKER_42: You know, we we we talk about this, but it's interesting that you brought up the piece that Ryan Fairclough wrote, and uh my colleague at Powerline, Scott Johnson, you mentioned uh him off air.
• 2:41:18
  SPEAKER_42: He wrote a long, long, lengthy piece uh commenting on Ryan Fairclough's piece and pointing out that the word Somali appears only once, that there's a passing reference to the fact that the vast majority of the defendants in all of these frauds uh come from one ethnic community, which is not to say there's a problem in that ethnic community, that even given all that, it's maybe 1% of the population of the Somali ethnic group in them in the state of Minnesota is involved in these frauds.
• 2:41:48
  SPEAKER_42: Vanishingly small as a percentage, but of those who have been indicted in the fraud, they're overwhelmingly members of a single ethnic group.
• 2:41:55
  SPEAKER_42: So that that should be reported on.
• 2:41:57
  SPEAKER_42: It's part of the story.
• 2:41:59
  SPEAKER_42: It's uh difficult to understand how the fraud gets perpetrated within this tight-knit community if you don't understand anything about the community in which it's taking place.
• 2:42:08
  SPEAKER_42: And then the the flip side of that is something I see way too often, which is the pointless argument about the dollar amount.
• 2:42:16
  SPEAKER_42: You know, uh, we had former uh U.S.
• 2:42:18
  SPEAKER_42: attorney Joe Thompson did a press conference last December where he talked about how there's something on the order of 9 billion with a B dollars been perpetrated in Minnesota in just the Medicaid fraud.
• 2:42:31
  SPEAKER_42: Forget the the feeding our future fraud and some of these others.
• 2:42:34
  SPEAKER_42: $9 billion just in Medicaid fraud.
• 2:42:37
  SPEAKER_42: And and Democrats and some of the media have taken upon their uh as their mission to knock down that number, that oh, that can't possibly be true.
• 2:42:46
  SPEAKER_42: It's got to be much, much lower than that.
• 2:42:48
  SPEAKER_42: It can't possibly be that massive.
• 2:42:51
  SPEAKER_42: Or a corollary to that is, well, you're ignoring all the frauds in other states.
• 2:42:56
  SPEAKER_42: Well, I only cover two states, Minnesota and North Dakota.
• 2:42:59
  SPEAKER_42: And they say, well, there were frauds in these uh red states, Indiana, Florida, all these other places.
• 2:43:05
  SPEAKER_42: Yeah, there were there were massive frauds, but I'm convinced on a per capita basis, nobody beats Minnesota.
• 2:43:10
  SPEAKER_42: Yeah, California is much, much bigger than Minnesota, Florida is much, much bigger than Minnesota.
• 2:43:15
  SPEAKER_42: They have massive multi-billion dollars in fraud, but on a on a pound for pound per capita basis, I think we're number one.
• 2:43:22
  SPEAKER_02: I want to go back uh to the the top-to-bottom audit that Clobuchar has promised if she's if she's elected.
• 2:43:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is that even necessary at this point uh in in time?
• 2:43:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I it would appear to me, based off of the reporting that we've done on the show, that we kind of have a pretty good idea of what's been taking place.
• 2:43:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's a matter of just holding people accountable, or do you think an audit would be beneficial?
• 2:43:46
  SPEAKER_42: Well, it depends on who's doing the audit, what the scope is, and how serious they are about it.
• 2:43:50
  SPEAKER_42: It could just be a delaying tactic.
• 2:43:52
  SPEAKER_42: Oh, well, I can't do anything until my audit comes back.
• 2:43:55
  SPEAKER_42: And coincidentally, it's going to take six months, so we're not gonna be able to do anything in this legislative session in 2027.
• 2:44:02
  SPEAKER_42: On the other hand, I've been an advocate a long time running of the zero-based budgeting concept.
• 2:44:10
  SPEAKER_42: We in state government, and I did this for many, many years in state government, you start with the last budget as your starting point.
• 2:44:18
  SPEAKER_42: That's that's the the hurdle.
• 2:44:20
  SPEAKER_42: So you already bake in, in our case, something like$770 billion in spending for the next two years, you just assume is a given.
• 2:44:29
  SPEAKER_42: And I can tell you that billions and billions of dollars in state government spending accomplishes nothing useful.
• 2:44:37
  SPEAKER_42: And it's just baked into the system, it never gets a critical eye.
• 2:44:41
  SPEAKER_42: Maybe there was a good idea at one point, the programs have outlived their usefulness.
• 2:44:45
  SPEAKER_42: So if that's what you're trying to do, you're trying to get at every dollar in the budget and whether it's producing anything more than it costs, then it would be a good exercise.
• 2:44:56
  SPEAKER_42: We should be doing this, we should have been doing this all along, re-examining every dollar in the budget, every budget cycle, which we don't do, and that would be useful, but I've not seen a scope of what this top-to-bottom audit is, so I have no idea whether she's serious about it.
• 2:45:12
  SPEAKER_42: She's just trying to deflect onto something else, or whether it could produce a useful product we've done right.
• 2:45:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I know you have a piece, Nigerian fraudster deported, a Nigerian national deported after being convicted of conspiracy to uh commit international money laundering related to an online romance fraud scheme.
• 2:45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um talk a little bit about this particular case, and I'm I'm curious your uh your view on the number of individuals actually being held accountable.
• 2:45:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like are we are we doing any sort of sufficient type of job of holding these fraudsters um uh accountable, Bill Glon?
• 2:45:51
  SPEAKER_42: Well, it's kind of interesting.
• 2:45:52
  SPEAKER_42: It's the marriage of my my two uh interests.
• 2:45:56
  SPEAKER_42: It's the the fraud story, and this is a fraud story, also the illegal immigrant story, which I've been covering a lot as well.
• 2:46:04
  SPEAKER_42: And again, given the demographics of the fraudsters, uh there's a lot of overlap between the two stories.
• 2:46:10
  SPEAKER_42: And uh, this was a gal who pled guilty to international money laundering, a felony crime, in the event she was only given a probation sentence.
• 2:46:19
  SPEAKER_42: We could do a whole segment on some of these fraud sentences where somebody pleads guilty uh to a major fraud and then ends up getting no jail time.
• 2:46:28
  SPEAKER_42: And that was her case.
• 2:46:29
  SPEAKER_42: And she claims uh in retrospect she got no jail time because she cooperated with the prosecution.
• 2:46:37
  SPEAKER_42: She helped rat out her fellow fraudsters, and that was the reason she didn't get the jail time, and also her fear of returning to Nigeria because she ratted out her fellow fraudsters and they're they're gonna exact a revenge.
• 2:46:50
  SPEAKER_42: I'm gonna butcher her name, but it's worth trying to at least make an attempt at.
• 2:46:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I didn't bother.
• 2:46:55
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna leave that up to you.
• 2:46:56
  SPEAKER_42: I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a shot.
• 2:46:57
  SPEAKER_42: Ijioma or Ijioma Miriam is her middle name, and then uh Kanthofong.
• 2:47:05
  SPEAKER_42: I'll give it to you.
• 2:47:06
  SPEAKER_42: I'm gonna try going with that.
• 2:47:07
  SPEAKER_42: But uh she pled guilty in 2023, and here in uh just the last week, she was deported back to Nigeria, and a lot happened in between.
• 2:47:19
  SPEAKER_42: So her felony conviction made her uh deportation all but inevitable.
• 2:47:25
  SPEAKER_42: She arrived on a uh tourist visa and stayed for years.
• 2:47:30
  SPEAKER_42: So the tourist visa gets you maybe six months uh time in the United States unless you upgrade to some other visa or leave and come back again.
• 2:47:40
  SPEAKER_42: But uh, and I know a lot of this because this was a big story in Nigeria.
• 2:47:44
  SPEAKER_42: There were Nigerian news outlets covering the story because they one of her countrymen was convicted of fraud, and then she's filed two habeas corpus cases trying to stave off the inevitable.
• 2:47:58
  SPEAKER_42: And again, for your listeners who aren't up on all this stuff, habeas corpus is a Latin term.
• 2:48:03
  SPEAKER_42: It's uh loosely translated as you have the body or produce the body.
• 2:48:08
  SPEAKER_42: And uh in a in a right going back to Magna Carta, you know, 800 years ago, you have the right as a as a citizen, in this case she's not a citizen, but you have the right to go before a judge and say, hey, I'm being detained, I am being held behind bars without good reason.
• 2:48:25
  SPEAKER_42: I should be allowed to be released while my court case grinds through.
• 2:48:31
  SPEAKER_42: And the uh habeas corpus petitions don't get at the underlying merits of the case.
• 2:48:36
  SPEAKER_42: They don't try to adjudicate whether the petitioner is guilty or innocent of the underlying thing they've been accused of.
• 2:48:41
  SPEAKER_42: They just look at the narrow issue of should they be detained, should they be behind bars while all this plays out.
• 2:48:48
  SPEAKER_42: So she filed a habeas corpus petition back in December, it was denied.
• 2:48:53
  SPEAKER_42: She appealed that to the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals, it was denied there.
• 2:48:58
  SPEAKER_42: And as soon as it was denied early last week, they they took that opportunity and deported her back to Nigeria.
• 2:49:04
  SPEAKER_42: But in between, she had filed a second habeas corpus case, and she'd also filed another set of motions in her underlying criminal case, trying to get her uh conviction thrown out, trying to get her case reopened, claiming that she had no idea that pleading guilty would jeopardize her immigration status, even though she is here in a tourist visa to begin with.
• 2:49:28
  SPEAKER_42: And second of all, it clearly states in her plea agreement that she signed that the outcome of this might endanger her immigration status in America.
• 2:49:37
  SPEAKER_42: But she was unsuccessful in all of this due process that went on.
• 2:49:42
  SPEAKER_42: Uh forget the court case, just the uh habeas corpus stuff has gone on for almost a year now, and uh she's back in Nigeria.
• 2:49:49
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody had asked uh in looking for you online, uh, how do you spell uh your last name?
• 2:49:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's G-L-A-H-N.
• 2:49:56
  SPEAKER_02: I got the correct G-L-A-H-N.
• 2:49:58
  SPEAKER_02: A lot easier.
• 2:49:59
  SPEAKER_42: So again, uh as uh with a quote ethnic last name, I'm very sensitive to the correct pronunciation of people's uh people's names.
• 2:50:06
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my real last name is Lojudice, so why do you think I go by justice for crying out loud?
• 2:50:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um before I get to the last story, I do one question that I've that I've wondered, and I don't know whether or not, uh Bill Glon, you have you have an answer, but you're talking about the judge and the sentences against these individuals, and it's the judge's discretion to look into the background of the individuals before applying the sentence and all that.
• 2:50:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I know from the outside, looking at the scope of the fraud, you know, we typically want to go drop the hammer, hold these people accountable, you know, lock them up, and and and and there's justified reasons to go and feel that way.
• 2:50:44
  SPEAKER_02: What I've always been curious about, though, is okay, are we looking at that the wrong way?
• 2:50:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, are these judges, you know, doing the right thing, looking at the backgrounds of these individuals and maybe handing down lesser sentences that you or I would think would be worthy given the totality of fraud?
• 2:51:01
  SPEAKER_42: Yeah, well, again, there's a lot of nuance to it, but uh in general, the sentences aren't as long as I would have liked to see.
• 2:51:10
  SPEAKER_42: I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a judge.
• 2:51:11
  SPEAKER_42: Sure.
• 2:51:12
  SPEAKER_42: And so what you see, the pattern, the ones who took their case to the jury, the ones who went through the trial and then were convicted by a jury at trial, they're the ones getting the longest sentences.
• 2:51:23
  SPEAKER_42: Uh and it has to do some of it with the process of the jury's verdict, and they were convicted on multiple counts, sometimes uh, you know, half a dozen or more separate counts, and that adds up.
• 2:51:36
  SPEAKER_42: And so what happens with these plea agreements when the when a defendant pleads guilty, they generally plead guilty to one or two counts, and that gets them a lot more leeway, the judge a lot more leeway in giving sentences of of much shorter duration.
• 2:51:52
  SPEAKER_42: And then by pleading guilty, they're into this whole sentencing guidelines calculation.
• 2:51:57
  SPEAKER_42: We have a similar thing in in the state of Minnesota for state-level crimes, which says for people of your background, your criminal history, the nature of the crime you committed, the and all that, there's a formula.
• 2:52:11
  SPEAKER_42: They come up with a formula, and judges are pretty much bound to stick to that formula.
• 2:52:16
  SPEAKER_42: And so there's a fairly narrow window, say it's two to three years, or five to six years, or seven to ten years, depending on what the circumstances are.
• 2:52:25
  SPEAKER_42: So judges generally stick to that formula.
• 2:52:28
  SPEAKER_42: I think what people get outraged at is when the judges do the downward departures, when they go before below the formula.
• 2:52:36
  SPEAKER_42: So say it was two to three years and they just get probation or they just get six months, or if it was four to five years and they just get a year in jail or 18 months.
• 2:52:45
  SPEAKER_42: And I think that's what's the outrage about it.
• 2:52:48
  SPEAKER_42: And some of it is like the uh the gal from Nigeria claiming that she cooperated, she helped rat out her fellow defendants, and judges do take that into consideration.
• 2:52:59
  SPEAKER_42: Prosecutors take that into consideration if you were cooperative, if you were helpful in getting the big fish.
• 2:53:05
  SPEAKER_42: And some of the people in the Feeding Our Future have benefited from that.
• 2:53:09
  SPEAKER_42: They were people who pled guilty very, very early on.
• 2:53:12
  SPEAKER_42: They did cooperate, they did testify against their fellow co-defendants in some of the courtroom trials, and they've benefited from that cooperation in their sentencing.
• 2:53:24
  SPEAKER_42: And then there are some other uh instances where you had uh personal circumstances, you had uh health issues where putting somebody in jail, given given the totality of the circumstances, might be considered extraordinarily cruel and they get lighter sentences or probation.
• 2:53:42
  SPEAKER_42: There's a lot going on here.
• 2:53:43
  SPEAKER_42: But yeah, I would agree with the general proposition uh that no one in this case, the feeding our future case or these Medicaid fraud cases, has gotten prison sentences nearly as long as deserved.
• 2:53:55
  SPEAKER_02: Last item that I wanted to uh to ask you about is another piece, again, uh AmericanExperiment uh.org.
• 2:54:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um as you write in this uh in this uh article, uh, you frequently write on the topic of illegal immigrants in America, but it turns out that, as you say, every similar semi-functioning nation has their own version of the same problem, including uh this Kenya crackdown on foreign traders, correct?
• 2:54:20
  SPEAKER_42: Yeah, so again, I've come been covering these habeas corpus cases, really dug deep into several hundred of these backstories, and I did a little chart where I showed five different continents are represented.
• 2:54:33
  SPEAKER_42: And Africa, very prominent among them.
• 2:54:36
  SPEAKER_42: There were four nationals in Kenya uh from Kenya who were being deported back to Kenya, whose cases I was following.
• 2:54:44
  SPEAKER_42: So I was interested in what's going on in Kenya, and Kenya has its own version of this, except it's people from Burundi and Somalia and Eritrea that are even less functional than Kenya.
• 2:54:56
  SPEAKER_42: Kenya is a semi-functional society.
• 2:54:58
  SPEAKER_42: They've got a functioning economy, they have people who can work and earn a living, and that attracts uh illegal immigrants from neighboring countries.
• 2:55:08
  SPEAKER_42: So they're trying to crack down on their illegal immigrants and deport them back to Burundi and Eritrea, just as we are in Minnesota trying to crack down on illegal immigrants and send them back to Kenya and Eritrea.
• 2:55:21
  SPEAKER_42: We didn't have anybody from Burundi on the list, but quite a few people from Somalia, another neighboring country of Kenya.
• 2:55:27
  SPEAKER_42: So everybody has their own version of this.
• 2:55:29
  SPEAKER_42: You see this in Europe, Spain has a big problem with the illegal immigration that made a lot of headlines.
• 2:55:35
  SPEAKER_42: But people go where the opportunities are.
• 2:55:37
  SPEAKER_42: And some people can afford to make it all the way to the United States or Canada or Europe, and some of them just travel a hundred miles to the neighboring country from where, but people want to improve their circumstances, and that's understandable, but we have laws.
• 2:55:50
  SPEAKER_02: I did not have Burundi on my bingo card for the show uh this morning.
• 2:55:55
  SPEAKER_02: So uh Bill Glon, Policy Fellow here at uh Center of the American Experiment, American Experiment.
• 2:56:00
  SPEAKER_02: Is where you can find his writings.
• 2:56:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I encourage you to go and check those out and follow him on X.
• 2:56:05
  SPEAKER_02: Again, thank you so much for coming in and uh chatting with us for a while this morning.
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  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate it.
• 2:56:09
  SPEAKER_42: Thanks for inviting me.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right, let's wrap up on this.
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  SPEAKER_02: On Friday, uh, the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled in favor of the City of Oak Grove, giving officials the authority to use paper voter rosters in its precincts for the 2026 general election.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, the uh lawsuit was brought by the Upper Midwest uh Law Center, uh Friends of the Show, after state and county officials attempted to block Oak Grove's decision to return to paper voter rosters.
• 2:56:40
  SPEAKER_02: The case sought to clarify whether Anoka County, rather than the city, controls the roster format for Oak Grove precincts in elections involving state, federal, or county offices.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oak Grove had previously used electronic rosters through an agreement with Anoka County, but later into that agreement notified officials that they would go with paper rosters in future elections.
• 2:57:01
  SPEAKER_02: Now, the court rejected the argument from Anoka County rather than the city.
• 2:57:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they say rather than the city controls the roster format for the Oak Grove precincts.
• 2:57:10
  SPEAKER_02: In the ruling, the court held that Minnesota law does not limit the city's authority to choose paper or electronic rosters for precincts inside of the city limits.
• 2:57:20
  SPEAKER_02: During a press conference announcing the lawsuit in May, Nicholas Nelson of the Upper Midwest Law Center said the city of Oak Grove, Minnesota has been using electronic voter rosters.
• 2:57:31
  SPEAKER_02: But recently the city council took a second look and said, you know what?
• 2:57:34
  SPEAKER_02: All things considered, we think paper voter rosters are better for our city.
• 2:57:39
  SPEAKER_02: So the Oak Grove City Council passed a resolution on this.
• 2:57:43
  SPEAKER_02: They sent a notice to the Secretary of State that the law requires, uh requires saying we're going to use paper voter rosters.
• 2:57:52
  SPEAKER_02: But the Secretary of State and Anoka County will not cooperate.
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  SPEAKER_02: They know that Oak Grove is running its own polling place.
• 2:57:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's hiring its own poll workers as the law requires, but they claim Anoka County can order Oak Grove employees about what kind of voter roll equipment they have to use and how they have to use it.
• 2:58:11
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't make sense.
• 2:58:12
  SPEAKER_02: And the court ended up agreeing.
• 2:58:14
  SPEAKER_02: The ruling could pave the way for other Minnesota cities to seek similar authority over their own voter roster formats ahead of the elections.
• 2:58:25
  SPEAKER_02: We're about 50 days out.
• 2:58:28
  SPEAKER_02: Now, in the meantime, Secretary of State Steve Simon, one last audio clip, is putting out clips like this on social media.
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  SPEAKER_43: It is still safe and secure to vote by mail.
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  SPEAKER_43: I'm Steve Simon, Minnesota Secretary of State.
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  SPEAKER_43: I want to set the record straight on the status of mail voting in Minnesota.
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  SPEAKER_43: Voting by mail is secure, accessible, and increasingly popular in our state.
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  SPEAKER_43: But recent headlines might suggest that somehow that's in jeopardy.
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  SPEAKER_43: That's because the President of the United States, a few months ago, issued an executive order whereby he ordered the Postal Service to create this new system that would screen for the first time in history the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_43: mail of people who seek to vote by mail.
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  SPEAKER_43: They have not announced how it will be constructed, what goes into it, what the ingredients are, how it's been tested, if at all.
• 2:59:17
  SPEAKER_43: So Minnesota went to work right away, in combination with many other states in the country, and sued and won.
• 2:59:23
  SPEAKER_43: In fact, very recently we had just the latest in a string of victories that has frozen, that has stopped, that has halted this executive order, and there's no reason to believe that it's likely to go in effect between now and the election.
• 2:59:35
  SPEAKER_43: So what I'm saying, bottom line, is it is still safe and secure to vote by mail.
• 2:59:41
  SPEAKER_43: And if that's part of your plan, you should go forward with it.
• 2:59:44
  SPEAKER_43: What you're reading about in the headlines has not been implemented.
• 2:59:47
  SPEAKER_43: Not for a day, not for an hour, not for a second.
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  SPEAKER_43: And we're confident and hopeful that it won't be at all.
• 2:59:54
  SPEAKER_43: Thank you.
• 2:59:55
  SPEAKER_02: An account that I uh like to follow on X, Miss Jamie Lynn, uh, she uh brought uh this clip to everyone's attention on the social media platform and then wrote this.
• 3:00:08
  SPEAKER_02: You're disgusting, Steve.
• 3:00:10
  SPEAKER_02: Watching Minnesota's Secretary of State seemingly act like the establishment's personal defense attorney while lecturing citizens he works for is exactly why people don't trust the damn system.
• 3:00:23
  SPEAKER_02: This is a constitutional republic government answers to we the people.
• 3:00:27
  SPEAKER_02: We have every right to question it, scrutinize it, challenge it, and demand answers without some bureaucrat implying that doing so makes us the problem.
• 3:00:37
  SPEAKER_02: You don't get to oversee the system, defend the system, dismiss the criticism of the system, and then demand blind faith in the system.
• 3:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: We are not your subjects, Steve.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're your boss.
• 3:00:50
  SPEAKER_02: Truer words uh may not have been spoken on this morning's show.
• 3:00:55
  SPEAKER_02: And with that, wraps up today's uh show.
• 3:00:57
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• 3:01:00
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• 3:02:11
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• 3:02:13
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• 3:02:17
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• 3:02:26
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• 3:02:33
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• 3:02:37
  SPEAKER_02: Later on in the week, Becca Thompson, the observer of all things uh Minneapolis fighting to defend her city from the radical progressive uh takeover.
• 3:02:46
  SPEAKER_02: She'll be joining us in studio coming up on Thursday morning.
• 3:02:49
  SPEAKER_02: Enjoy the rest of your Monday.
• 3:02:51
  SPEAKER_02: God bless, and I'll talk to you guys tomorrow morning at 6 a.m.
• 3:02:54
  SPEAKER_02: Bye.