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Episode 208. MK-Ultra Never Ended: G.A.T.E., Epstein & Mind Control | Dr. Juliette Engel · Wake Up with Miya

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  Speaker 1: I worked with a group called the Global Survival Network
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  Speaker 1: who had been following the trafficking of Siberian tigers. And
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  Speaker 1: they discovered that same people were trafficking in humans. And
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  Speaker 1: so they did an undercover video, which they gave me
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  Speaker 1: to use. And I went all over Russia with it.
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  Speaker 1: And it was called Bought and Sold. It had been
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  Speaker 1: translated into Russia. And I assembled a team of American
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  Speaker 1: volunteers who were absolutely wonderful. And we would go with
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  Speaker 1: with Russian volunteers and go to all these little towns
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  Speaker 1: and villages and play the video for people. And it
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  Speaker 1: sort of woke the whole country up to the fact
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  Speaker 1: that this human trafficking was going on and all these
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  Speaker 1: girls that were taking jobs overseas and never heard from again.
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  Speaker 1: People were thinking they must be so happy. They've forgotten us. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we just hope they're happy and healthy. Well, no, they
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  Speaker 1: were in brothels all over the.
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  Speaker 2: World Today, I'm honored to be joined by Dr. Juliet Engel.
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  Speaker 2: Juliet is a physician, author, and founder of Angel Coalition,
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  Speaker 2: an organization that works to rescue and bring home trafficked
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  Speaker 2: children in Russia. She's also the author of Sparky, Surviving
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  Speaker 2: Sex Magic, a memoir where she shares her personal story,
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  Speaker 2: including what she says happened to her as a child
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  Speaker 2: in the Monarch MK Altar program. and how those experiences
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  Speaker 2: ultimately shaped the work she would later do fighting human trafficking. Now,
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  Speaker 2: before we get started, if you enjoy these conversations, please subscribe,
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  Speaker 2: sensitive topics in this interview, portions of our conversation have
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  Speaker 2: been edited or removed from the public side of YouTube,
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  Speaker 2: To hear the full conversation, including our extended plus side
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  Speaker 2: discussion about Juliet's encounter with Jeffrey Epstein, you can join
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  Speaker 2: the plus side on Patreon or YouTube. This episode does
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  Speaker 2: include discussion of child abuse and human trafficking. While we
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  Speaker 2: don't go into graphic detail, some of the subject matter
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  Speaker 2: still may not be appropriate for young children. So you
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  Speaker 2: may want to listen with headphones or when children are
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  Speaker 2: not in the room. Aloha Juliet and welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: You have an incredible story, one that takes us into
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  Speaker 2: some very dark and difficult places, but also shows an
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  Speaker 2: extraordinary journey of survival, escape, and ultimately helping others. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm honored to have the opportunity to sit down and
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  Speaker 2: speak with you today and to hear your story firsthand.
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  Speaker 2: I really want to start with the beginning because You
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  Speaker 2: were only six years old when you say your father
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  Speaker 2: sold you into a secret CIA service program. What do
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  Speaker 2: you remember about how that all began? And when did
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  Speaker 2: you first realize that what was happening to you was
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  Speaker 2: not normal?
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  Speaker 1: Well, as a child, whatever happens to you is normal
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  Speaker 1: because that's, you know, your only frame of reference. So
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  Speaker 1: in terms of realizing my life and my Everyone in
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  Speaker 1: my family was involved in this crime. But let me
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  Speaker 1: go back a few years before I was born just
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  Speaker 1: to set the stage for why this happened to me
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  Speaker 1: and why this happened to thousands of other children. World
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  Speaker 1: War II ended in 1945. The Nuremberg trials, everybody thinks
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  Speaker 1: that criminal Nazis were hung, executed for crimes against humanity.
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  Speaker 1: but they were not. And in fact, they had largely
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  Speaker 1: already made connections with occult societies, relatives, all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: organizations all over the world. And a lot that were
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  Speaker 1: in the United States through family connections like mine. And
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  Speaker 1: so 1945, instead of hanging and executing and destroying all
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  Speaker 1: the inhuman research that was carried out for years in
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  Speaker 1: the concentration camps. I mean, that's where the real crimes
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  Speaker 1: were carried out against children, twins, ethnic groups. There were
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  Speaker 1: no limits on what they could do and who they
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  Speaker 1: could torture and who they could kill. And the result
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  Speaker 1: was rooms full of data and research and about 1,500
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  Speaker 1: Nazi scientists who were bargaining for their lives at Nuremberg.
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  Speaker 1: And they bargained successfully. Unfortunately, there was a group from
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  Speaker 1: the OSS that became the CIA, including five of my
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  Speaker 1: own uncles who were at Nuremberg, who instead of hanging
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  Speaker 1: these people and destroying these monstrous experiments, decided that it
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  Speaker 1: would be a good thing for us to have, that
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  Speaker 1: we could use them and they could give, you know,
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  Speaker 1: give power to the allies. And it was the Five Eyes.
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  Speaker 1: It was divided up between what became the Five Eyes.
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  Speaker 1: They divided up the Nazi scientists and they all got
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  Speaker 1: copies of the research. And so we're finding the same
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  Speaker 1: problems in multiple countries. And I'll get to that. So
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  Speaker 1: that was 45, 47, 1947, the CIA was formed. And
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  Speaker 1: it was formed with Alan Dulles at the head of it.
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  Speaker 1: His brother, John Foster Dulles, was head of the State Department.
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  Speaker 1: And by 1952, they'd created the National Security Agency because
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  Speaker 1: the CIA could operate overseas. NSA were the same agents
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  Speaker 1: operating inside the United States. And one of the founders
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  Speaker 1: of the NSA was my uncle, my mother's brother. And 1953,
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  Speaker 1: they officially... They'd brought the Nazi scientist to Huntsville, Alabama
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  Speaker 1: in Project Paperclip, and they'd brought their families, they'd given
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  Speaker 1: them new identities, and they distributed it among their friends
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  Speaker 1: all over the country, and their friends are the occult societies.
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  Speaker 1: And if you look at how many secret societies and
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  Speaker 1: cults there are inside this country, it is astonishing. And
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  Speaker 1: most of the ones I'm familiar with have their roots
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  Speaker 1: in ancient Assyria, Phoenicia, Babylonia, and involved multiple gods and satanic,
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  Speaker 1: it's all called satanic rituals, but really they were, it's
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  Speaker 1: very complicated. And you go nuts trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: who's worshiping who, but they all involve sacrifices of children
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  Speaker 1: and cruelty to children. That seemed to be a prerequisite
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  Speaker 1: for receiving the money and the Nazi scientists to do MKUltra.
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  Speaker 1: So in 1953, MKUltra was started and MK means Mein Kampf.
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  Speaker 1: Ultra is the top secret file, which should have come
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  Speaker 1: with the original copy of Mein Kampf, which no American,
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  Speaker 1: no normal American has any access to the original Mein Kampf,
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  Speaker 1: which was translated by Alan Cranston. And translation was so
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  Speaker 1: completely outrageous that Hitler sued Cranston in an American court
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  Speaker 1: and won the case for fraud because he hadn't translated
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  Speaker 1: the book. And all we have is Cranston's translation now.
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  Speaker 1: And it was translated back into German. Germans don't have
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  Speaker 1: the original book. And all the research was kept by
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  Speaker 1: the CIA and their friends, the secret societies. So they
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  Speaker 1: placed the Nazis around the country in various universities. Everywhere
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  Speaker 1: they had a friend, like Skull and Bones or University
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  Speaker 1: Hospital or you and Cameron up in McGill University, all
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  Speaker 1: these places that would take and sponsor a Nazi and
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  Speaker 1: their family got one and they're They also then received
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  Speaker 1: money from the State Department through John Foster Dulles to
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  Speaker 1: carry out programs of mind control, which I've gotten State
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  Speaker 1: Department grants in my next life, which is Angels Over Moscow,
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  Speaker 1: when I was running an underground railroad in Moscow. They
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  Speaker 1: have certain set goals, and clearly one of them was pedophilia.
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  Speaker 1: One of them was erasing genders. One of them was... genocide.
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  Speaker 1: So they had a set of programs that were supposed
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  Speaker 1: to go into the children that they were going to receive.
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  Speaker 1: And but then they were allowed to do to take
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  Speaker 1: their particular God, their particular flavor, their particular set of
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  Speaker 1: ancient rituals. And they were given the children of the CIA,
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  Speaker 1: the NSA, the the military what became the military industrial complex.
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  Speaker 1: That's the first batch of children that went in starting
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  Speaker 1: in really 1955. And that's when I was ritually sold
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  Speaker 1: into it by my father. So I was one of
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  Speaker 1: the first and, and, uh, my father took me out
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  Speaker 1: to the park. I had no idea what was going
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  Speaker 1: to happen. We met a friend of his from the Navy,
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  Speaker 1: Navy and Army, both very much involved in this at
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  Speaker 1: high levels. I had parents do not trust, you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: put on this side and then gradually through multiple sessions
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  Speaker 1: of torture and terror and all this time they were
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  Speaker 1: taking blood out of my nose. And so half the
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  Speaker 1: time ever after that, I was home with my family
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  Speaker 1: so I could look normal. So that was my only
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  Speaker 1: normal reference. And, uh, the rest of the time I
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  Speaker 1: was in annexes, which, um, included lectures. I still have
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  Speaker 1: notes from the early sixties that I took, uh, when
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  Speaker 1: I came home from some of these lectures and I still,
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  Speaker 1: I managed to keep them. And, and so I, I,
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  Speaker 1: I have these writings from the early sixties in which
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  Speaker 1: I'm describing genocide and, um, And I didn't think of that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so, uh, and it was a very racist program.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta be absolutely out there with that. Uh, the first,
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  Speaker 1: one of the first plans, the first, they, they made
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  Speaker 1: it perfectly clear, even when I was like, uh, six,
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  Speaker 1: seven years old, that, uh, We were the goats, meaning
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  Speaker 1: the children of the privileged children, the bloodline children, the
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  Speaker 1: really smart children. We were the goats, meaning the facilitators,
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  Speaker 1: the middle management, I guess. And everyone else was the sheep.
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  Speaker 1: And the goats were to rule the sheep and to
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  Speaker 1: kill the sheep because there were way too many sheep.
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  Speaker 1: That's the beginning of the MKUltra program. He came aboard
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  Speaker 1: because he was the head of technical services for the
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  Speaker 1: OSS and known as the head poisoner of the CIA
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  Speaker 1: because his specialty was creating boutique bioweapons to destroy populations.
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  Speaker 1: And so you put all that together and you start
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  Speaker 1: to see the picture. Were they successful? No, they just
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  Speaker 1: made a horrible mess out of things. They've just destroyed everything.
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  Speaker 1: destroyed the social structures of whole societies. And anyway, so
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  Speaker 1: that was the 1950s. And I would go back from
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  Speaker 1: an annex, and I was in school half of the time.
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  Speaker 1: So you had to be in school 180 days to
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  Speaker 1: pass to the next grade. No, no, 90 days. That
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  Speaker 1: was exactly half. So I was always there 91 days,
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  Speaker 1: never a day beyond that. because the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: time I was off in programs and then back in
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  Speaker 1: school so I could learn to look like a normal person.
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  Speaker 1: And so I would come back and the social workers
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  Speaker 1: from the school would take one look at me, go
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  Speaker 1: visit my parents, and my parents would then pick up
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  Speaker 1: and move. So I went from every six months, I
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  Speaker 1: went to different schools, different school districts, different counties, all
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  Speaker 1: around the West coast. So it was constantly changing. So
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  Speaker 1: in terms of having a role model, I would, I
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  Speaker 1: would admire teachers or people from the community that tried
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  Speaker 1: to help, but then we'd pick up and move. So
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have anyone. So I created someone that way. Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Very deliberately.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: So the importance of Sparky and why it's important to
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  Speaker 1: survivors of all kinds of trauma. I mean, not just
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  Speaker 1: trauma to a child is trauma. So sexual abuse of
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  Speaker 1: a child is trauma. It's violence. They wanted to create
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  Speaker 1: a ruling class of pedophiles, which they have largely done.
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  Speaker 1: And anyway, so when I was 10 years old and
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  Speaker 1: starting to... go from magical thinking to adult thinking. So
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  Speaker 1: analytical thinking and thinking about what am I going to do? I'm,
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  Speaker 1: I'm this, I didn't even have shoes. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: had to go to school wearing tabbies. It was just,
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  Speaker 1: just so I, I was so miserable in myself and,
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  Speaker 1: And at that time we were living in Imperial beach, California,
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  Speaker 1: which is, we lived in the Imperial beach garden apartments,
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  Speaker 1: which are actually on the Tijuana sewer. So, um, we
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  Speaker 1: had a great time playing in the sewer, but, uh,
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  Speaker 1: that was the site of all the, all the, um,
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  Speaker 1: trafficking of drugs and people we were used as drug mules. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: that might be the reason we were down there. So
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  Speaker 1: the kids carried the drugs. back and forth. I was
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  Speaker 1: one of them. I forgot where I was going. I
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  Speaker 1: got lost. Oh, Sparky.
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  Speaker 3: Sparky.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm 10 years old and the apartments we were
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  Speaker 1: living in were brothels. So I had a brothel right
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  Speaker 1: next to my bedroom and I could hear them pounding
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  Speaker 1: away all night. And I And I knew, I knew
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  Speaker 1: what they were doing because I'd been so sexually abused
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  Speaker 1: in the program. And my father like sold me to
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  Speaker 1: some of his friends and, and I wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: out of there, but I had no role model. So
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  Speaker 1: I made one and, uh, I took everything I liked
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  Speaker 1: about every comic book character I had ever read about.
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  Speaker 1: And from an old piece of an old book that
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  Speaker 1: my grandmother that I'd stolen from my grandmother. about the
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  Speaker 1: McGregor clan, the history of the McGregors, because I'm a McGregor.
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  Speaker 1: And I created Sparky McGregor and became a little girl
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  Speaker 1: that looked like Prince Valiant. I really admired Prince Valiant.
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  Speaker 1: That was a very popular comic. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you're probably too young, but with the page boy hairdo,
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  Speaker 1: black hair, sword, strong, um, everything I wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: every myth that, uh, that, uh, I'd heard that I admired.
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  Speaker 1: And I read the book, um, in the sixth happiness,
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  Speaker 1: which was about a missionary woman in China who saved
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  Speaker 1: like a hundred children by, by walking them through the
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  Speaker 1: mountains to get away from, from, uh, being killed by
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  Speaker 1: the Japanese. And, uh, So, yeah, I threw that in there.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to save children, which I did. I did.
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  Speaker 1: And so I created my own role model, which was Sparky,
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  Speaker 1: and became that person. And I'm still Sparky. I'm still
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  Speaker 1: that person. So am I normal? No. But effective? Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And you were in a program called Monarch?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Sure. Kathy O'Brien was also. So Monarch must have
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  Speaker 1: been one of the first programs. And they told me
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  Speaker 1: I was going to be in a program to be
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  Speaker 1: a bluebird, which I thought, you know, that's great because
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  Speaker 1: the bluebirds were the precursors to the– Is it the
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  Speaker 1: Girl Scouts or the Brownies? I don't know. It was
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  Speaker 1: one of those. And I wanted that. I could never
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  Speaker 1: do that because we were never in one place long enough.
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  Speaker 1: So I said, absolutely, I want to be a bluebird.
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  Speaker 1: And then they gave me a little butterfly pin. And
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  Speaker 1: I said, what is this? And they said, it's a monarch.
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  Speaker 1: And you're actually a secret butterfly. Okay. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was the, this is not what you think it is.
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  Speaker 1: This is something else. And you are not who you
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  Speaker 1: think you are. You are someone else. And it's all
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  Speaker 1: part of the dissociation and the splitting so that they
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  Speaker 1: can put personalities inside the program's subject's head that they
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  Speaker 1: can activate later, even in different languages. Because, and that's
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, the idea that you're a bluebird, but you're
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  Speaker 1: not a bluebird, you're a secret monarch. So that goes in,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and, and you're seeing people act irrationally, you're
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  Speaker 1: seeing people act against their own self interest. You see
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  Speaker 1: these assassins, you see couriers, you see drug couriers, you
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  Speaker 1: see all kinds of crazy behavior in the highest levels,
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  Speaker 1: which makes it practically impossible to persecute. And we've got
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  Speaker 1: a government full of pedophiles. I think that this is
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  Speaker 1: completely a result of the MKUltra program, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: it was so extensive. And it was extensive. This is documented.
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  Speaker 1: And so the program started in 1950, really got launched
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  Speaker 1: in 1955. with a small number of children. By 1976,
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  Speaker 1: when the first congressional hearings were held on it, it
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  Speaker 1: had spread to 80 program sites, meaning universities, hospitals, religious retreats,
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  Speaker 1: all places where they had what they call annexes or
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  Speaker 1: safe houses where they carried out the experiments. And 150
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  Speaker 1: different programs run out of these sites. that were documented
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  Speaker 1: and they had no idea how many other programs. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that was their excuse. They didn't know how many undocumented
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  Speaker 1: programs were being run inside the US, Canada, and eventually
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  Speaker 1: the Five Eyes. By 1976, it actually included Great Britain,
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  Speaker 1: New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, the English-speaking allies, Canada, the
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  Speaker 1: English-speaking allies of the U.S., who were linked together through
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  Speaker 1: the National Security Agency and the CIA as the Five Eyes.
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  Speaker 1: And they were training their own people.
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  Speaker 2: And at 17, you escaped all this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, at 17, I was at the Presidio in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: My time then, I was living in Palo Alto. California,
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  Speaker 1: my time was divided between Stanford Research Institute, I lived
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  Speaker 1: very close to it, Coyote Hills, which was a facility
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  Speaker 1: out on San Francisco Bay for animal experimentation, and Fort Point,
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  Speaker 1: which is the part of the Presidio which extends underneath
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  Speaker 1: the Golden Gate Bridge where they were studying harmonics, and
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  Speaker 1: that's where all the rock music came from. It was
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  Speaker 1: completely linked to Laurel Canyon. And Laurel Canyon, like Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: there's not just one Epstein. There's a dozen of them
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  Speaker 1: out there. Laurel Canyon was one canyon. There were all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of canyons and interconnected projects. But they all were
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  Speaker 1: headquartered at Fort Point, which was the basis for studying
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  Speaker 1: the harmonics of mind control. And who else was there?
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  Speaker 1: Michael Aquino was there. I guess later he pronounced his
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  Speaker 1: name Aquino. But he was my age in my group.
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  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with him? He was the chief Satanist
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  Speaker 1: of the U.S. Army. He's the one with the pointy
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  Speaker 1: eyebrows and carried out satanic rituals at the highest levels
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  Speaker 1: of the Army. And then there was Anton LaVey. whose
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  Speaker 1: real name was Tony Levy. And he was the founder
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  Speaker 1: of the Church of Satan. And they were using the
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  Speaker 1: harmonics and harmonic interdimensional travel, which is what I was
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  Speaker 1: there for, to write the Satanic Bible and to put
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  Speaker 1: the mind, figure out the frequencies and the harmonics of
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  Speaker 1: mind control, and then train the various groups Mamas and
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  Speaker 1: the Papas, The Journeymen, Loving Spoonful. I mean, these are
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  Speaker 1: the guys I knew. I mean, they came through in math.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of the music was recorded by the
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  Speaker 1: team there, the musicians there. And one of them was
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  Speaker 1: Charles Manson. I was there from 1961 to 1966. So
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  Speaker 1: at that time, he was a nerdy guy. uh, who
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  Speaker 1: would set up the music, set up the audio visual stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He was a whiz at electronics and very good in
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  Speaker 1: harmonics and, um, quite a good musician. So a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the musical recordings you hear from that area, he's
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  Speaker 1: playing in them. And I was part of the backup
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  Speaker 1: vocals that they did their Laurel Canyon, Monterey, um, all
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: over the place. I was part of a group called
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the Freaks. And they would take us to parties in
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: all the canyons and around San Francisco. And our job
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: would be to bust into the party in scanty clothing,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: get all the guests high on LSD, get them on
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: the ground, naked, photographed, compromised. And then Phil Spector would
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: come along. He and others, who I'm not going to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: name because they're still around, but Phil Spector has died,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: would sign them up for record deals. And then they
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: were forever in the clutches of these promoters who were
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: associated with the MKUltra project at Fort Point. And Fort
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Point was also the headquarters of U.S. Army psychological operations,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I think until the mid-70s. It looks like it probably
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: went from there to Fort Huachuca. And anyway, so I
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: was there in the early years of MKUltra, the early
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: years of this mind control development. I mean, when I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: was at the annexes, each one was headed by a Dr. Greene,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: The Dr. Green was German. They spoke German. I could
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: hear them speaking to each other in German. And I
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: have a mental block against learning German, which is really
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: odd because I'm very good at languages. So I think
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I must have at a very early age been terrorized
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: into not remembering what they said. But I understood. I
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: knew what was going on. I mean, at that level,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't go out and explain it to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: someone on the street. I mean, I tried, but still
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: can't actually.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Wow. And then after you escaped all that, you became
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: a doctor. And then you eventually left everything and went
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: to Russia in 1990 as a physician. Yeah, I did.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Yes. Wow.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: And then when did you realize the children you were
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: helping were becoming victims of human trafficking? What led you
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to create the Angel Coalition?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I had been invited to Africa, I'm sorry, to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Moscow to help them reform their maternal and infant health
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: care facilities, which were in terrible condition. And my specialty
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: was prenatal ultrasound, prenatal diagnosis. I'd written a lot of papers.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I was an assistant professor at the University of Washington.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: So they invited me to come in 1990. I had
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: no idea that my rest of my life would be
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: tied into that, but I did. I went with a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: group called Citizens for Soviet American Dialogue. And the group
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: of Americans... were sort of checked into the Cosmos Hotel,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: which was guarded and surrounded and all this. And a
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: group of Russians came and took me. And I was
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: never in the hotel. I was outside with, I spent
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: some of the nights there, but I was outside in Moscow,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: all over the city, visiting all kinds of things. And
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: this had been set up for me in advance by
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the Russian doctors who never got to speak to you.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: American doctors. So they wanted that contact. And eventually, it
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't until much later, I realized this had all been
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: set up. I knew it had been set up by
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: someone in Russian military intelligence because I met him on
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the first trip and then subsequent trips. If there was danger,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: like the civil war swept into Moscow and the Russians
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: sort of swept me out of Moscow and, um, So
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: they were watching me, and I didn't know until sort
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: of the day I left 20 years later that the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: person watching over me had actually been a friend of
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: my uncle's, that they had both been at Bletchley Park
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: as young intelligence officers working on the Enigma machine. And
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: this was during World War II. when they had an
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: international team there because it included the Russians included the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Americans and they knew each other. And my uncle was
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: fluent in many languages, including Russian. And, uh, so this,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: these things kind of happened and moved forward. And then
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: as an afterthought, I learned that I was part of that.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: And that made the American Embassy and the State Department
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: so angry that I was able to move sort of
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: inside Russian society. I had no problem with it at all.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And a lot of that was my MKUltra training as
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: using psi, called P-S-I, it's called using psychic communication. So
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you don't need language. So, I mean, and that's true
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: wherever I go. It's the universal communications of human beings.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: And that gave me access all over the place that
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the official State Department didn't have. And so that's, as
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: a result, and the fact that we were extremely successful
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: building an underground, well, okay, I sort of went in
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a circle, but it's just so much to share. I
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: found out fairly soon that the children were being taken
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: from the birth houses. They had these horrible birth houses,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and the people's situation was just, the Soviet union was collapsing. Uh,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: people were in poverty. There was no food, no work.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: The health conditions were absolutely appalling. And, uh, there was
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: also no birth control. So a lot of women's only
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: form of birth control was abortion and they would have
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: up to seven or eight abortions per women. And it
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: just destroyed, destroyed their health, destroyed their psyche, just broke
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: their hearts. And so they would have the children and then, um,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: The idea was to sort of park them in a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: baby orphanage until their situation got better. But you can
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: imagine what happened. Some of them got picked up, but
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of them then just entered the system. And
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the system was a system of baby orphanages followed by
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: toddler orphanages, followed by middle school teenage orphanages, followed by
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: them being picked up at the door by human traffickers
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: and and taken all over the world. It was so blatant,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: so common. I discovered it. I worked with a group
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: called the Global Survival Network, who had been following the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: trafficking of Siberian tigers. And they discovered that same people
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: were trafficking in humans. And so they did an undercover video,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: which They gave me to use, and I went all
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: over Russia with it. And it was called bought and sold.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: It had been translated into Russia. And I assembled a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: team of American volunteers who were absolutely wonderful. And we
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: would go with Russian volunteers and go to all these
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: little towns and villages and play the video for people.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And it sort of woke the whole country up. to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the fact that this, this human trafficking was going on
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and all these girls that were taking jobs overseas and never,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: never heard from again, people were thinking, oh, they must
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: be so happy. You know, they, they've forgotten, they've forgotten us,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: you know, well, we just hope they're happy and healthy. Well, no,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: they were in brothels all over, um, all over the world. And, and, uh,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: if so, uh, it was something the Russians were ready
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: to deal with. They wanted to fix it. They, they, uh,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: so we, when we created the angel coalition, which is
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the huge coalition, eventually a huge coalition of tiny little
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: organizations all over the former Soviet union. So it was
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Russia and all the republics and then extending into Bulgaria and, um, uh,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Eastern Europe, Israel, um, all the places where Russian women
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: and children were being bought and sold. Eventually we had
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: like 140 little organizations working on this, but they had
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: activated their local police by finding the police chiefs. You
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: could forget about it, but they all had nephews or
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: cousins or someone, you know, it didn't have to be
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the top of the department. to start acting on behalf
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: of the, following the laws because they had anti-trafficking laws.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: And we do too, and we don't follow them either.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: And then the media, getting the media involved. This is
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: what really annoyed the Wikipedia people. We organized Russia's first
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: nationwide civil action with massive international media and it was
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: so well planned it happened in six cities simultaneously it
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: was all done at in the early hours of the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: morning so it was before the traffickers could have any
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: idea or the police anyone could have any idea of
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: what we were doing so people were out for five
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: minutes marching standing in front of the of the consulates
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: with chains and gags, you know, saying, bring me home,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I'm in Turkey, you know, this kind of thing. And
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: a huge children's parade in Nizhny Novgorod. And so it
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: made a splash all over the world. And it taught
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the Russians how to use media and how to use,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: how to carry out civic actions. And then they got very,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: very good at it. So the fact that we did that,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: that's when the people from the embassy came and confronted
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: me to announce that they were very displeased. I mean, really,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: they tried to shut us down. They tried to shut
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: down the distribution of the materials. We had warehouses in
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: each one of those cities that were going to distribute
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: all the information about the trafficking law, about helplines, about help,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: about anyone going overseas should carry this with them so
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: that they would know who to call if they got
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: into trouble. So, I mean, just basic good sense stuff.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: And the embassy came and tried to empty the warehouse.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: But thank goodness, because we'd scheduled this for extremely early
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: in the morning, everything was gone. So, so they were
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: so angry about it that, yeah, that, I was shocked.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I was really shocked. But the bigger shock was yet
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to come. We also did a nationwide chat room. And nationwide,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was all the countries, the former Soviet
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Union and everyone in between Vladivostok to Kaliningrad. So we
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: had European countries, Eastern European, North African. It was an
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: amazing turnout of people coming on to a chat room.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: posting their information, meeting one another. We had over 2,500
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: people come into a chat room, which for Russia at
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that time, they'd never been in one before. Most of
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: the people had to travel for hours on buses to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: get to university internet centers, which is the only way
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: they could get onto the chat room. We had sent
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: out opinionaires, which is a form of questionnaire, but It
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: really focuses on your opinions about what's happening because the
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: opinions of local people are right. So we got them
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: out by sending them out on trains at night. And
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: so we got 2,500 questionnaires filled out and returned to us.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: And they returned. We also sent out number two pencils
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: so that they could fill in the squares. They sent
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: back every pencil. we were just shocked so suddenly we
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: had this barrel of pencils but I mean the determination
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: they were so determined to do something about this that
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: it just took off at a grassroots level and that's
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: what the American embassy hated and when we got the
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: results of the got the results of the chat room
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and it gave us 500,000 data points, which we turned
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: over to the Russian Duma, to the parliament. They used
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: it to improve the counter-trafficking laws and create all kinds
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: of regional variations and made it much more effective. And
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: they started police training, which we were later highly involved in.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: But the results showed Clearly. I mean, we found out
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: who was trafficking, where they were going, what they were doing,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: how they were doing it, and which three countries were
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: by far the biggest recipients of trafficking victims. And that
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: was Germany. Germany is number one, which is no surprise.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: That was very well established. established. Second was Israel. And
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the third was the U.S. And and so I went
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: to Germany was hopeless. I mean, we had no no response,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: nothing ever from Germany. But we got a good response
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: when I went to, well, I went, I went, I
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: took all this data and I went, and it was
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: a study funded by the state department trafficking in person's office.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was their biggest grantee at the time.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: And so I took it back to America and I said, Hey,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I presented it at the UN. I presented
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: it at the state department at the trafficking in person's
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: office and a couple of times in Congress, and they
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: didn't want to hear it, didn't want to see it.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I was giving them, I was telling them what airlines
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: they were using, what flights they were using, what towns
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: they were going through to, who was receiving them. We
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: had it all. Not one person from law enforcement spoke
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to me from the U.S. Lots of other countries did.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: but not my own country. I was just shocked. Never
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: met anyone from the FBI. CIA was always around, but
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I never knew what they were doing. So the response
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: was crickets. The response actually came from Israel. Ron Dermer,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: who at that time, let's see the ambassador to the U.S. Anyway,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: he's very high in the, still is in the Israel government.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: And he had come to one of the talks and,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: or one of his staff had. And so he met
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: with me and he put me in contact with Natan Sharansky,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: who was Russian Jewish dissident who'd been in prison anyway.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: He was in the Israeli Knesset. So that gave me
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: a direct connection. line. So whenever we had trafficking victims
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: that we knew were being trafficked to Israel, I could
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: call the Knesset and Israel would intercept them and send
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: them back. So why didn't, so great, this is good. Uh,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: so that's the only ones that responded. Um, the U
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: S didn't respond at all. And the result was that
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I got permanently banned from Wikipedia and the, uh, Trafficking
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: in Persons Office puts out a report every year called
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the Trafficking in Persons Report. And they use the data
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: they receive, they gather. This is where I realized that
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: all these reports are completely fake. So there they had
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: their number one grantee turning in 500,000 data points, a
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: treasure trove. of law enforcement information, a stack of photographs, connections, interviews,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: people ready to testify, all of this. And they did
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: not even mention that we were a grantee in their report.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: So that would have taken, because that would have taken,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: they rate the countries tier one, two, three, and the
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: US is always tier one, meaning we have no trafficking.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: No problems. Nobody's breaking the law. There are no trafficking
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: victims in our country. Not true. We're one of the worst.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: We should be tier three. So that's why they were
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: so upset.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're finding them out. Absolutely.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I know time is coming to an end here, but
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I'd like to talk. I know it just goes by
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: so fast. I'd love to talk about your book, Sparky
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Surviving Sexual or Sex Magic. Can you tell us about
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: that before we wrap up?
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Sure. I'll tell you about book because it's a continuation.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Sparky is my story at the age of 10. And
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: so I took my early years and really struggled to
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: remember because I didn't remember these things. It took huge
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: effort to get back to remembering how I was as
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: a magical thinking child and how I created Sparky and
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: what my world was like surviving. So it's a horrible
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: book in terms of what was done to me and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: a wonderful book in terms of how I survived it
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and then became Sparky and then became the doctor and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: then became the person that rescued 70,000 children from trafficking
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: in the former Soviet Union and have been trying ever
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: since to wake up the United States to realize we
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: are complicit. We need to stop this. This has to end.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: And I realize that the fact that a lot of
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: what's happening in the U.S. right now is a direct
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: result of the MKUltra programming, which came from the Nazi
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: concentration camps and has spread all over the world, certainly
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: founded in Russia. So that's what the books are about.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: So this is sort of my first years, and this
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: is my life traveling all over Russia and the world
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: rescuing trafficking victims.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing. Thank you, Juliette, for joining me today
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: and for sharing your story. I know we've only scratched
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the surface of everything that you've experienced and the work
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: that you've done over the years. I'd love for you
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: to come back for another conversation. Maybe we can go
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: down deeper now that we established the beginning part. Now
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: we can get into the deeper layers because there's just
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: so much more to cover. But before we say goodbye,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: where can listeners find your book and where's the best
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: place for them to learn more about you and your work?
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Well, if you go to my website, which is, uh,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: juliet angle.com, you'll find my books and information about how
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: to reach me. I do have a sub stack, um,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: which I'll, I'll post on there. I haven't been very
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: good about doing it, but I promise to get better. Um,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I'm also working on my third book, which will, uh, include, um,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: my time at Fort point and Presidio working on harmonics. And, uh, so, um,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Start with my website and the books, and then maybe
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: people will have questions for the next time we meet.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. Well, thank you. Thank you very much for
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: joining us today.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: You're very welcome.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Thanks, guys, for listening, and I'll see you on the
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: next one. A hui hou kakou.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Bye. I know you say. You're not afraid to dive
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: into something.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: You got nothing to lose.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: But I'm not that way. Taking my sweet time.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Don't want to be the one to cry.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: But I'm losing my cool, breaking my rules.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I don't usually get to know.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: My hands, they shake When you walk into the room
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: And I can't think straight.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: There's no one like you.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: But how I can I chase This feeling with you
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Don't walk away from this tonight I'm going with you
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Losing my cool, breaking my rules I don't usually get
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: so Out of my head, walking the edge What am
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: I falling into Losing my cool, breaking my rules I
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: don't usually get so Out of my head, walking the edge,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: what am I falling into? I'm here again, where do
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: we land? Tell me, is it too soon? Losing my cool,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: breaking my rules, I'm going crazy over you. Crazy, I'm
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: going crazy, crazy over you. Crazy, got me crazy, crazy
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: over you. Losing my cool, I'm going crazy over you.