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- 0:01Welcome back to The Animal Advocate. As someone who teaches
- 0:05law students and supervises pro bono legal work for the benefit of
- 0:09animals, I've spent the better part of two decades
- 0:13thinking about one question: What kind of
- 0:16advocacy really improves the lives of animals?
- 0:20Is it public education? Is it passing laws?
- 0:24Is it litigation? And for a long time,
- 0:28I kept trying to figure out which one mattered most,
- 0:32which one we should be investing our limited resources in,
- 0:37which one really moved the needle. And the answer I've come
- 0:41to, after teaching and working on legislation
- 0:44and sitting on the board of a shelter and watching lots of
- 0:48campaigns play out, is this. Public
- 0:52opinion has to move first, and when it moves far
- 0:55enough, everything else follows.
- 0:59Sometimes that shift in opinion makes the passage of a law possible.
- 1:04Sometimes it makes a law unnecessary because
- 1:08once enough people see something differently, demand
- 1:12changes, industries adapt, and the practice
- 1:15fades on its own. And that second outcome—change
- 1:20without a law—is often better than people
- 1:23realize. Because laws require enforcement.
- 1:27Enforcement requires money, people, and
- 1:31infrastructure. And when it comes to animal issues, those
- 1:35things have been in short supply.
- 1:40Welcome to The Animal Advocate, where we arm animal
- 1:43lovers with the information and inspiration you need to become
- 1:47effective advocates. I'm your I'm your host, Penny Ellison,
- 1:50and I've taught animal law and advocacy at the University of Pennsylvania
- 1:54since 2006. If you've ever thought,
- 1:58"Someone should do something about that," I'm here to guide you
- 2:02on your journey to being that someone. You can
- 2:05find us on the web at AnimalAdvocacyAcademy.com.
- 2:10And that's where you'll find show notes and resources, and you can
- 2:14send us your comments on episodes. And ideas for topics you'd like
- 2:17to hear on future shows. So, onto today's
- 2:21topic.
- 2:27Let me give you a sense of what I mean about enforcement.
- 2:30The Federal Animal Welfare Act covers more than a million
- 2:34animals in roughly 17,500 facilities
- 2:38across the country: research labs, zoos,
- 2:42breeders, dog dealers, animal exhibitors.
- 2:46The agency responsible for enforcing it is the USDA's
- 2:50Animal and Plant— The agency responsible
- 2:54for enforcing it is the USDA's Animal and Plant
- 2:58Health Inspection Service, or APHIS.
- 3:01As of early 2025, APHIS Animal Care
- 3:05had about 115 inspectors to cover all
- 3:0917,500 of those facilities.
- 3:13That's one inspector for every 150 or so
- 3:16licensed operations. And keep in mind, these are operations of
- 3:20all different kinds involving all different species.
- 3:24And that number of inspectors, it's been dropping. The agency
- 3:27lost about 25% of its overall workforce in early
- 3:312025 through the government's cuts.
- 3:35One expert who has tracked this for over 20 years said the inspector
- 3:39count may now be as low as 77, the lowest
- 3:43she's ever seen. The USDA's own inspector
- 3:46general has repeatedly found that enforcement is inadequate.
- 3:51A 2025 audit found that 80% of dog breeders
- 3:54reviewed had at least one violation, and
- 3:5795% were not being inspected according to the
- 4:01agency's own schedule. Fines, when they're issued
- 4:04at all, have historically been discounted by an average of
- 4:0886% from the maximum allowed, to the
- 4:12point where the inspector general said violators treat them as a cost of
- 4:15doing business. I'm not bringing this up to be
- 4:19discouraging. I'm bringing it up because it tells us something about
- 4:23strategy. When we pass a law that
- 4:26depends on inspectors going onto private property to check
- 4:30compliance, and we don't adequately fund the enforcement,
- 4:34the law doesn't do what we hoped it would. The law is on the
- 4:38books, the violations continue.
- 4:42So when there's a way to change an industry practice through shifting public
- 4:45opinion and consumer demand rather than relying on an
- 4:49enforcement system that barely functions, that's worth
- 4:53paying attention to. And we have real examples of
- 4:56exactly that happening. Let me start with something that,
- 5:00for many of us, was just a normal part of childhood:
- 5:04circuses. For generations, elephants were the
- 5:08centerpiece of American circus culture. They were marketed as
- 5:11majestic, intelligent, almost magical animals.
- 5:15Families took their children to see them, people felt affection
- 5:19for them and awe, and very few people thought about
- 5:23what their lives were actually like. But behind the
- 5:26scenes, concerns were building for decades.
- 5:30Advocates documented the use of painful bull hooks to drag
- 5:34the elephants around. They documented chaining.
- 5:38They documented long hours of confinement and the stress
- 5:41of constant transport. In the early
- 5:452000s, a coalition of groups including the
- 5:47ASPCA and other animal protection organizations
- 5:52brought a lawsuit against Feld Entertainment, the parent company
- 5:55of Ringling Brothers, arguing that the treatment of elephants
- 5:59violated the Endangered Species Act.
- 6:03That case went on for years. It was hard fought,
- 6:07and in the end, it was dismissed, not because the court ruled that
- 6:11Ringling's treatment of elephants was acceptable, but because
- 6:14the court found that the plaintiffs lacked standing to bring the case.
- 6:19That's often a problem in cases trying to protect animals.
- 6:23So the merits of the argument were never even reached.
- 6:27If you look at that moment in isolation, you might say the
- 6:30advocacy failed. Only
- 6:34it didn't, because at the same time that the litigation was
- 6:38playing out, and in part because of the press it was getting,
- 6:41public awareness of how the elephants and other animals in the circus
- 6:45were being treated was growing. A federal ban on the
- 6:49use of animals in circuses was a long shot, to say the least.
- 6:53But because people were increasingly alarmed at what they'd learned,
- 6:57cities began passing local bans on the use of wild
- 7:00animals in traveling shows. One by one,
- 7:04Boulder, Colorado, Stanford, Connecticut,
- 7:08Hallandale Beach, Florida, San Francisco,
- 7:11Irvine, Pasadena, Santa Monica, city after city
- 7:15in California. And it wasn't just the coasts. Places like
- 7:18Eureka Springs, Arkansas, Richmond, Missouri,
- 7:22Collinsville, Illinois all passed bans. By
- 7:252016, dozens of local jurisdictions had already said,
- 7:29"Not here." And that mattered for a very practical
- 7:33reason: circuses are traveling operations.
- 7:37When more and more cities became off-limits, It became harder
- 7:41to plan tours and harder to sell tickets and
- 7:44especially harder to stay profitable. So even
- 7:48though the lawsuit was lost, the pressure didn't go away. It
- 7:52grew. And in 2016, Ringling Brothers
- 7:56announced that they would retire their elephants from touring performances.
- 8:00They cited changing public attitudes. They cited the
- 8:03difficulty of operating in places that were adopting restrictions.
- 8:07And within a year, the traditional Ringling Brothers Circus with
- 8:11animals shut down entirely.
- 8:15But that's not the end of the story, because the circus didn't
- 8:19disappear. I saw a commercial just this week. Kids
- 8:22laughing, acrobats, music, that
- 8:26same sense of wonder, but no animals.
- 8:30Today's version relies on human performers and technology,
- 8:34not elephants. No federal law banning elephants in
- 8:38circuses made that happen. Public opinion made that
- 8:42happen. And once enough people saw it differently, the
- 8:45business model just didn't work. Since Ringling closed,
- 8:49the momentum has only accelerated. Today, 12 states
- 8:53have passed bans or restrictions on wild animals in traveling shows,
- 8:57and nearly 200 local jurisdictions across 36-7
- 9:00states have done the same. But the industry had already
- 9:04changed before most of those laws were on the books. The laws
- 9:08confirmed what the public had already decided.
- 9:12That same pattern played out with SeaWorld. For
- 9:15years, orca shows were presented as educational, even
- 9:19inspirational. You know, the killer whales? Families felt like they
- 9:23were connecting with something extraordinary. Then, in
- 9:262013, The documentary Blackfish came out. Now,
- 9:30you may not have agreed with every aspect of the film, but it
- 9:34changed the conversation. It told a story that people hadn't heard
- 9:38before. It framed captivity in a new way.
- 9:42Public opinion began to move. Attendance
- 9:45dropped. Celebrities spoke out. And
- 9:49partnerships shifted. And in
- 9:522016, SeaWorld announced it would end its orca breeding
- 9:56program. The whales currently in its care would be the last
- 10:00generation there. A few years later, the theatrical
- 10:03orca shows were phased out and replaced with presentations
- 10:07focused on natural behaviors and education.
- 10:10Are the whales still in captivity? Yes.
- 10:14Did this solve everything? No. But a
- 10:18single documentary changed how millions of people felt about orca
- 10:21shows.. And once that feeling changed, the company changed
- 10:25its practices—not because a law forced it to,
- 10:29but because the market demanded it. We've seen it happen
- 10:33in fashion, too. Go back a couple of decades and fur was
- 10:36still widely accepted in mainstream culture. You saw it on
- 10:40runways, in department stores, in high-end brands.
- 10:44It was framed as luxury. Then advocates
- 10:47focused on how animals were raised and killed.
- 10:51Campaigns became more visible. High-profile designers began
- 10:55announcing they were going fur-free, and a lot of celebrities
- 10:59stopped wearing it. Not enough, but a lot.
- 11:02And over time, consumer attitudes shifted.
- 11:07The global fur market has declined dramatically in the last
- 11:10decade. Many major fashion houses have publicly committed
- 11:14to abandoning fur. Entire countries have begun phasing
- 11:18out fur farming. What used to signal status
- 11:22started to signal something else, and once people stopped buying,
- 11:26the designers pulled back, the retailers stopped stocking it,
- 11:29and the farms started closing. So what
- 11:33do these three examples have in common? In each
- 11:37case, people consciously or unconsciously
- 11:40connected some aspect of their identity to that use
- 11:44of animals. People loved elephants and whales and
- 11:47the family experience they had seeing them together up close.
- 11:52In the case of fur, many people felt connected to their mothers and
- 11:55grandmothers wearing fur and felt like it made them look
- 11:59glamorous. And that's what makes this kind of change hard.
- 12:03When something is tied to nostalgia, tradition, or
- 12:07identity, You can't just attack it. If
- 12:10you tell people they're bad for liking something, they'll stop
- 12:14listening. None of these ships—
- 12:17none of these shifts happened because advocates shamed people into
- 12:21caring. They happened because people were given new
- 12:25information and invited to reconsider something
- 12:28familiar: a documentary, a news story,
- 12:32a conversation with someone they trusted. Invited
- 12:35them to take a second look. That's something I
- 12:39talk about in the Four Cs of Animal Advocacy, a free private
- 12:43podcast series I put together about how change really happens
- 12:47for animals. One of those Four Cs is communication:
- 12:51how to talk about issues in ways that open minds instead
- 12:55of closing them. So if you've ever wondered how to have those
- 12:58conversations without making people defensive, That's the— what that
- 13:02part of the series is about. So I'll put the link in the show notes
- 13:05where you can download that. Now, I want to be clear about
- 13:09something. I am not saying we don't need laws. We
- 13:13absolutely do, and I work every day on that.
- 13:18For practices that happen behind closed doors, on private
- 13:21property, like puppy mills, research labs, factory
- 13:25farms, You can't really rely on public opinion
- 13:28alone because the public can't see what's happening. You need
- 13:32laws that give inspectors the authority to go in and check. You
- 13:36need enforcement. The problem, as I described
- 13:39with APHIS, is that we often pass those laws and then
- 13:43don't fund the enforcement. That's its own kind of advocacy
- 13:47challenge, and it's one we need to take seriously. But for
- 13:50practices that happen in public, circuses, marine mammal
- 13:54shows, horse and carriage rides, photo
- 13:58ops with cubs of big cats. There's a different
- 14:02path available because the public can see these things,
- 14:06and when they start to see them differently, the demand drops.
- 14:09And when the demand drops, the practice changes. Even
- 14:13if it's not fully eliminated, there are a lot fewer animals suffering.
- 14:18That doesn't mean you never need a law for these public-facing practices.
- 14:22Sometimes a law is what gets the ball rolling or what prevents
- 14:26backsliding. But the sequence often goes public
- 14:30opinion shifts first, practices start to change, and
- 14:34the law follows to lock in that progress.
- 14:37And that brings me to an issue that we're going to talk about next
- 14:41week: horse-drawn carriages. To many people, carriage
- 14:45rides feel quaint, romantic, family-friendly. You take your kids,
- 14:48you take a photo. What's the harm? And
- 14:52that's exactly why this is such a challenging issue. The starting point
- 14:56isn't cruelty in people's minds. The starting point is affection.
- 15:01But advocates have spent years raising concerns about the physical strain on
- 15:05horses working in traffic, in extreme weather, on
- 15:08hard pavement. They've raised safety concerns, they've
- 15:12documented accidents, they've asked whether this is something that still makes sense
- 15:16in a modern city. If the other examples teach us
- 15:19anything, it's that these conversations take time.
- 15:23You're asking people to reconsider something they associate with happy memories.
- 15:27But it shifted on elephants, it shifted on orcas,
- 15:31it shifted on fur. Not overnight, and we're
- 15:35still working on it, but over years, and not through shaming,
- 15:39through persistent, patient communication.
- 15:43Next week, I'm going to share a conversation with someone who has spent many years
- 15:47working on the horse and carriage issue, and someone who's seen
- 15:50firsthand what that long arc looks like.
- 15:59So for this week's Be the Change action, Think about an animal issue
- 16:03where public opinion hasn't caught up yet. Carriage horses,
- 16:07cub photo ops at roadside attractions, maybe something
- 16:10in your own community. Find one article or one
- 16:14short video that tells the story from the animal's perspective.
- 16:18Then share it with one person. Not in a lecturing way, just in a
- 16:21"I came across this and it surprised me" way. That's how
- 16:25every one of these shifts started. One conversation at a time.
- 16:30Thanks for listening. That's it for today.
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