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Matt Rivera (Matt Saxon) | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #24 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to the Christian.
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  We've podcast another episode and another interview today.
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  I have the great honor of interviewing actual professional
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  wrestler. So for those who aren't aware, I
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  think most of you are aware at this point.
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  I'm a massive wrestling fan have been for many, many years since
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  I was very young. And yet to be able to interview,
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  an actual wrestler is something special for me.
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  So yeah, Our current guest today goes by the name, Matt Rivera or
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  Matt Saxon and he is a professional wrestler, a rapper
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  actor and more recently a YouTuber as well.
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  Welcome to the show. How you doing?
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  You have done your research. Oh yeah II.
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  Don't cut Corners. My friend.
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  I'm doing well, thank you so much for having me and thank you
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  for that. Wonderful intro.
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  That was that was nice. That's my supposed.
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  It's my pleasure is my pleasure. Now, I'm gonna jump right into
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  this because like I said to you just before we don't have you
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  for long. So I'm gonna do my very best to
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  really just kind of put you over and kind of get everyone up to
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  speed with you. Now, we'll start with the, I
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  don't know if we want to call it elephant in the room basically.
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  Matt Rivera kind of came to fame sort of around sort of 2013,
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  when you appeared on TLC's Extreme Cheapskates, right?
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  And for anyone who doesn't know, this is one of those.
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  Reality TV shows where they basically just kind of film a
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  bunch of stuff, making you look bad and then kind of laughing at
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  you and stuff. And normally, you know, I kind
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  of watch these programs and I think like, yeah, you know, it
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  is what it is, if you like this sort of thing, right?
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  But I obviously came across this clip and then I came across you.
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  Well, Cody KO, and no miller reacting to it as part of their
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  series. That's cringe, right.
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  And I kind of felt differently about this. because, On one
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  hand, I was like, okay, I can see the funny side of it is
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  funny if you watch it. It's like, you know, if you know
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  anything about professional wrestlers, like, you know,
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  people like Mick Foley and stuff, you know, that, you know,
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  trying to save money on the road as a regular thing.
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  But you kind of take it to like, the nth degree, right?
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  Right. Yeah.
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  I've asked you questions about this in live streams and stuff,
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  but for those who don't know, obviously, you did this.
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  You agree to do this now, Leslie.
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  It was a case of you know here's another way to maybe get myself
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  known, get myself out there. You know you're trying to get
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  signed and I guess one of the questions I wanted to ask you
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  right off the bat is, did you get the TNA audition like
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  through that TV show? Or was it kind of a sort of
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  thing where like you already were going?
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  And they factored that in terms a little bit about that?
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  That's hard hitting questions right off the bat, I like it.
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  Um, so I was kind of a weird Situation.
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  I was training at a few different places at the time,
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  like it's weird because I always have to break down the show a
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  little bit. So in the episode, you see me
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  training with Joel Maximo over in Brooklyn, New York.
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  Now, I've been there a couple of times but I've trained at a lot
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  of different places, so you know, a lot of people ask me
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  all, that's your trainer. Mike well, I have like four
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  different trainers, you know, and I go to all these different
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  places but obviously the show makes it look like.
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  Okay, it's just this sword right?
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  Only this way. Just set up in a certain way,
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  but I did have I was very fortunate that I did have an
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  opportunity in the works. However, I feel like the show
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  may be sped up that opportunity that makes so I had something in
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  the works but once they got on board it was like all right it's
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  definite and it kind of changed the way it looked.
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  I had a singles try out as opposed to, you know, inviting
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  20 wrestlers to come over and do a tryout.
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  I was going to say I was very surprised by that because I've
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  heard about tryouts for major companies and stuff and
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  typically you know it will be behind the scenes thing or maybe
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  they might even try you out as a dark match on a show or
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  something like that but like this was actually as you say
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  like a proper match and stuff then you got like Kurt Angle
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  right there watching you the whole time I mean plus the
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  cameras I mean must be really really nerve-racking and
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  everything grimly extremely no pun intended with the you know,
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  Extreme Cheapskates but Yeah, it was extremely stressful because
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  you kind of picture what a typical tryout should look like.
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  And I knew this wasn't going to be typical because of the
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  cameras. You know, they want to capture
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  certain elements of what that would look like.
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  So in my head in my head, this isn't going to be you know, take
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  10 bumps, run the ropes. You know, it's not going to be
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  like drills or anything like that.
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  So I didn't really know what it was going to look like it.
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  I would say that's the only thing that I wish was a little
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  bit different with the outcome. I don't mind that it didn't turn
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  out the way I had hoped, but I kind of wish they didn't really
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  break down how the filming was going to be of the tryout.
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  So I didn't know what to expect at all.
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  You know, like, Chris Sabin, just like, all right, we're
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  getting in the ring and we're gonna do a couple things.
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  All right, you know, like that's it and when it was over it
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  seemed like it was over so fast and I'm just sitting there like,
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  damn, that's it, that was my opportunity and it's done, you
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  know, C and this is one of the things as well.
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  What chimp Got that clip because, you know, as I told you
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  before, I'm a massive wrestling fan and I looked at it a bit
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  differently. Like I saw the fun side of it
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  and then I just see the look in your face and like the way they
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  and I'm like shit, man, like I just really felt for you because
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  I know how much it meant for you, you know.
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  There's so many wrestlers out there that are trying to, you
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  know, get it to its. I mean, it's a very
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  oversaturated Market. It's very hard to like, make
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  yourself different, in some shape or form and like, As hard
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  as it is to say just being a good wrestler isn't really
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  enough. It's like you have to have the
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  Charisma and you've got a, you know, be a marketeer.
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  I mean especially in 2020, you know, you got to be great on the
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  social media, you've got to be almost like selling your gimmick
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  kind of 24/7. So the game has changed, the
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  rules have changed and that's not to say that, you know, you
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  haven't got those things because I firmly believe that.
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  Why I'm always supporting you like Curry, I genuinely believe
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  that aw or something like that is in the cards for you in the
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  very near future. I really just think it's a case
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  of when rather than if, right. And this is kind of why I wanted
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  to start with this and move more towards that.
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  Because as far as I'm concerned like yeah, this was a funny
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  thing. I mean, this was seven years
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  ago, don't forget right, long time ago, things change people
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  change and you know, I kind of feel like The joke is now over
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  kind of thing. It's like, okay, haha.
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  But like ticked, if we just got to take it back to the Cody KO
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  thing like normally in that series, it's people just being
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  ridiculous and you know, like why wouldn't you laugh at them
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  kind of thing, you know, but I think a lot of the time when
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  you're laughing at people on the internet know thought kind of
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  goes into like the actual person or or like how they feel
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  whatever, right? And as I've gotten older I've
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  kind of I don't really laugh at people anymore.
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  I'm just like I just think about that.
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  I'm not well in my hardest times.
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  I wouldn't have wanted that right.
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  Right. Takes a different level of
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  empathy and I think like you said when you get older kind of
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  clicks a little more you become a little more sensitive to those
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  things. Yeah.
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  I know right? Yeah, I think what's different
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  in this situation as well as like, that was actually
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  actually. You like, I've asked you
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  obviously, as I said in live streams and stuff before and
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  you've said, yeah, that's Smee I wasn't putting on that's how I
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  thought and a lot of the time when you get asked these
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  questions to this day you sort of say that you've kind of toned
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  it down somewhere. Maybe you're not as cheap as you
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  were right real quick to where did you get?
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  That kind of mentality. Like, is that something you gain
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  from like a relative? Or is that just something that
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  kind of just happened over time. And I'll be honest with you, I
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  don't know and and this is I hope my family.
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  Offended if I say this but we grew up very poor, all right?
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  Um, we lived in the inner city of Manhattan for maybe 15 years
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  or so bounced around. So it we didn't grow up with
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  much. And I've always with someone who
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  appreciated what I had. I'm not a materialistic person,
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  like, a lot of people look in the studio, not.
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  Oh, you know, he's spending money left and I'm like, no, no,
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  no, I love. These are gifts and and this is
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  kind of what has become my work at this point.
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  So I do have to invest in it a little bit.
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  But um, I'm just I'm not a very Very materialistic person.
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  Like even my sugar. Mama will tell me how I wish you
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  dressed a little bit better. I, you know, I don't you.
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  We were in the store the other day.
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  I, you know, I was telling the story about the pop since you
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  just like, just get yourself some pops and there's just,
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  there's something about just buying something materialistic
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  for myself. That just seems like a waste
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  like my, I don't want to do that.
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  And there's things that I was doing that.
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  It wasn't until someone else brought up to me.
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  Like man, what are you doing, bro?
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  Like that's kind of gross so that's kind of weird.
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  And I did my, all right, I guess I didn't really think about it.
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  Like I had a roommate and I used to store a whole bunch of empty.
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  Water bottles, like ridiculous, two, drawers of empty water
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  bottles, so I can just fill it up in the sink and keep it
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  going. So, what about like to messed up
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  or destroyed? And I had a backup.
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  It doesn't 20 water bottles, just empty in the fridge and
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  he's just like, oh, this is weird.
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  Like it's not healthy and I'm like, always and a healthy, man.
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  He told me he's like, listen after wild plastic breaks down
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  and I'm like, that's fine, you know.
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  I'm like but thinking about how Mike.
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  Alright of TLC captured me opening up the fridge and it was
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  20 empty water bottles at me, like I was a freak, you know,
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  it's weird. But that's just the way I've
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  always been. I just I've always been very
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  conscious of money and spending it and not wasting.
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  I'm one of my biggest pet peeves in the world which was not
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  mentioned on the TLC. Show is throwing out food.
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  Well, kind of I said, yes. And you know what, though?
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  But there's some people that are just like, if you don't like it
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  do it ottoman. It doesn't matter how much I
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  don't like it. Provide sustenance to me.
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  If it, if it's just extra nutrients, then I'm gonna have
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  it. You know, I grew up with the
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  same thing. If my grandmother would have
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  seen me do that distend of me. And I just it's and it's built
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  in. It's like ingrained in my head
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  like somebody other stuff. I get it.
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  Um, it's going to sound funny, but I grew up with really,
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  really bad allergies and when I was a kid, I would just have a
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  pile of tissues just like right next to my pillow and like, I
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  think about it now. Oh Mike, that's kind of
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  disgusting but again it's what I did Growing Up So looking at it.
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  Oh my God, I didn't really see the problem of having a pile of
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  dirty tissues and just reusing them over and over again.
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  And I know it sounds disgusting but especially when I was a kid
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  like I would wake up in the middle of the night, my nose
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  would bleed. That's how bad like.
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  Oh wow. Okay, so I would always just be
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  like boxes of tissues, I would go through all the time but
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  another thing people like oh you know how much tissues is one man
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  have to go through? I My allergies were that bad,
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  that it was just like constant out.
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  Why didn't you got, like, handkerchief or something?
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  You know what? And again, it's got a sound
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  funny. I just never thought of it until
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  someone was like, oh, she got around her.
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  She okay, fair play and also and this is going to sound really
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  ridiculous and I don't mind saying it looking a little
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  foolish but I almost was like handkerchiefs.
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  That's kind of gross and I think about it now I'm like all right
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  Matt but you can use the same tissues over and over again,
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  pretty sure that's the same thing or even more gross, right?
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  Okay. Moving it forward.
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  Like just kind of one final question on on on this to tie
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  this part of it up. Sure.
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  You got a lot of pushback. You know, you've got these two,
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  guys on the internet, taking the mick out of you.
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  Now you turn that into something like you smart business minded
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  person, you go. Okay.
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  I'm going to embrace that. You made a YouTube channel,
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  which you had before that you were doing content before that
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  be, you really kind of gave it a push.
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  When these clips started to be released back in 2019, on TLC's.
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  And then obviously the reaction happened, so you embraced it,
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  you do reactions to their reactions and so on and so forth
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  right now. Presumably, you got a lot of
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  pushback. Maybe you like often is the case
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  when when people like Cody KO or someone else on the internet
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  makes a reaction video at someone that person typically
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  gets a lot of. Hey, did you get like a lot of
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  pushback just out of nowhere? I woke up.
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  What was the General kind of consensus of stuff that we're
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  getting? That was on the more negative
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  side and the positive side as well?
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  Yes, I'll give you the whole scoop.
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  You actually mentioned, some really interesting stuff that I
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  haven't really Publicly said, so I want to touch on that a little
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  bit. So when Extreme Cheapskates
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  first came out, I don't know. The episode itself may have came
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  out in like 2014 or maybe 2013, I don't know.
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  I think I might have filmed it in 2013 and something like that.
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  But anyway, when it first happened, I didn't really
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  embrace it at all. Like at all.
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  It wasn't something that I thought to myself this is going
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  to be my claim to fame. This is going to be, you know,
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  I'm the cheaper. Wrestler.
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  Now, I was like, no, no, I'm a wrestler who's cheap.
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  But I'm not the cheap wrestler. I was the number one attraction
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  and no one was going to tell me otherwise, but I'll wake up.
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  You could just cut you that like, surely as a wrestler, you
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  must have thought at some point, even then, like, surely I can
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  use this. Yeah, I've just been on
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  television, I can use this to maybe leverage it and maybe I
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  could even go to a company be like, hey, I was on TV.
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  Give me some more TV time or we'll wait.
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  I don't know. Will turn into an angle or
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  something? So that is what I thought.
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  I just But I can still do it as the number one attraction that
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  sexy that was kind of my struggle there.
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  I was like, no, no, this is my gimmick.
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  I'm the number one attraction, Matt Saxon, and then this is
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  money and the funny thing is it was that gimmick Works.
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  People love the number one attraction gimmick in just
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  doesn't have worldwide Fame, you know it doesn't it did number
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  one attraction that's great, you know did great on the
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  independent scene it was fantastic but I should have
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  smartened up back then and then Like hey Matt no more number one
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  attraction. You're not the number one
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  attraction anymore, just embrace the cheap wrestler and I didn't
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  do that. And I think that's where I
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  dropped the ball for several reasons because I'm that Saxon.
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  People can find me on the internet, you know?
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  Like people who are like, oh let me search this guy.
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  This video is funny. No one was Finding Me.
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  I didn't blow up. People would recognize me at
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  this, you know, on the street or at the grocery store, people
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  would say, oh, you were on that show, right?
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  Right. But I feel like I never
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  properly. I handled it back then.
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  So what happened was TLC decided to maybe back in 2019 like you
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  had mentioned. They decided to repost it on
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  YouTube and that's where that's where things got crazy.
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  I noticed right away, you know, people contacting me on YouTube.
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  Hey, aren't you the guy? And you know what?
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  I looked at my sugar. Mama, I said not again, I messed
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  up years ago. Not again, here we go.
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  I'm the cheap wrestler. Now, I am embracing this, I will
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  say hi to the people. People, if they want to talk
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  about the TLC episode, we'll talk like whatever I am
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  embracing this fully because another thing that I haven't
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  mentioned much on YouTube. So this is pretty cool.
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  This is one of the first podcast I've done, you know, since
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  everything's blown up something that I found very interesting
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  have kind of lost my train of thought a little bit there.
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  Oh, what was I saying? I was just kind of rambling a
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  little bit huh. I lost myself.
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  I mean, you're on your own, the theme.
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  Of this Extreme Cheapskates thing and like, kind of like to
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  push back afterwards and then, you know, it sort of embracing
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  it and like now as opposed to back when it happened.
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  Yeah, my brows. I was up so late last night,
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  just editing and whatnot, and I'll get to that later.
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  But so my mind's a little. But anyway.
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  Yeah. So when it came out, I was like,
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  no, I'm embracing it. I changed my name on social
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  media, Matt right here, at CLC. You know, do the whole thing.
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  I had not of I hadn't heard. Heard of Cody KO at the time, I
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  had no idea who he was, but a lot of friends of mine like oh
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  my gosh, look at this funny video.
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  Look at this video and I watched it on my.
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  Alright, this video is full of hilarious, you know, I don't it
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  doesn't bother me that people find it entertaining.
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  I think it bothers me. I wouldn't even use the word
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  bother me it it's a little Annoying.
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  I think at times when some people are like, oh you, you
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  cheap could I have to watch my language on this?
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  All right. Cool.
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  You cheap bastard. You know like you're wasting
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  your time here because I don't even know how to Mike.
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  All right thanks you're like yeah I'm just a to that, you
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  know. So it doesn't even bother me.
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  It's just more like a useless. Comment, almost they don't.
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  All right. But um yeah, I definitely Only
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  capitalize that on this. I don't think those things
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  bother me at all. Like a lot of people I read the
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  comments. All you handle it so.
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  Well. You know, Cody KO.
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  This guy always has a smile on his face.
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  It didn't bother him or no it didn't bother me at all if
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  anything I think them. I'm like listen you guys are
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  part of the reason why I was able to create this YouTube
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  channel and make something out of it.
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  So thanks, you know, I'm not offended if anything do it
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  again, you know, come to think of it.
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  I see. Now you say it because you often
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  play like a heel which for those Unfamiliar with wrestling,
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  terminology means, bad guy. And you play a bad guy on the
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  independence, quite quite regularly.
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  So I guess you would be pretty used to getting abuse and sort
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  of just taking it in your stride.
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  You like it really doesn't do anything to me and I think a lot
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  of people look at it like some people feel bad for me they're
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  like oh, you know people are so mean to you, my I could care
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  less like I know being in any sort of Spotlight, you're gonna
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  get it. It's just the way the world is
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  and this is the thing. Like, I felt that way for you
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  when I first saw this clip and then I saw that Cody KO thing
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  and then I saw everything that you're doing on YouTube and and
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  what you're doing now. I mean, for those who don't
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  know, Matt, basically regularly does live streams, he plays
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  games, he reacts to things like you know, the latest WWE
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  Battlegrounds game or something like that or you know, you do
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  q&as where you actively just take on questions.
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  I've asked you some questions myself, you know, and I think
• 18:56
  that's great way to give back and to be You to actually have a
• 19:00
  following, there are fans there, there are people that regularly
• 19:02
  tune in that wanna help you support you.
• 19:06
  I think one of the coolest things that you do, which I
• 19:09
  think has a lot of legs particularly because of, you
• 19:12
  know, wrestlers such as the Young Bucks, doing, they're
• 19:16
  being the Elite Series. You're doing this sort of Series
• 19:19
  where you regularly talk about interactions you've had with,
• 19:22
  you know, famous wrestlers such as nonzero, or you know, other
• 19:27
  wrestlers like that. And I think that that's a great
• 19:30
  way to give back a good, you know, people really like to have
• 19:34
  like a looking or a lens into, like, the business and how it
• 19:38
  works behind the scenes because everyone knows that, you know,
• 19:41
  wrestling is not real but like the that kind of makes the
• 19:46
  behind-the-scenes even more fascinating, particularly with
• 19:49
  all the shoots that we see the even happened to this day.
• 19:52
  I mean, for example, when Jon Moxley left WWE, you know his
• 19:57
  shoot interview just blew up. Was just nuts.
• 20:00
  Right? So yeah, I think there's a lot
• 20:02
  of legs with what you've done with it and everything and how
• 20:05
  you've kind of, as I say that leveraged it turned it into
• 20:08
  something radical. That's probably a lot of the
• 20:11
  reason why so many people are getting behind what you're doing
• 20:14
  because it's like, okay he's taking it.
• 20:17
  Well, he's moved forward and this kind of leads me on to the
• 20:20
  future or to at least like what's going on right now.
• 20:26
  I feel kind of weird asking this question because I kind of
• 20:28
  already Eddie know the answer but you know every wrestler has
• 20:31
  different, a different way of looking at the business and I
• 20:35
  guess I want to know, kind of like what your main goals and
• 20:37
  aspirations in professional wrestling are right now.
• 20:40
  Because, you know, you've had a little bit of a taste that
• 20:43
  success you, you know, people know your name, Rand right now,
• 20:48
  arguably, for the first time, in many years, there's actual many
• 20:52
  different options. I just just to kind of lay out
• 20:55
  for those that were unaware. You've got WWE You've got aw,
• 21:00
  those are like your two main American major promotions right
• 21:04
  now and then you've got all these other ones who regularly
• 21:08
  tour in other countries. You've got like, mlw butts on a
• 21:11
  lot of shows in in Mexico. You've got impacts uniformly,
• 21:14
  tiene still there. You know, you've got New Japan,
• 21:18
  putting on Pro shows here. You've got famous wrestlers from
• 21:22
  like the UK and America going over to Japan and regularly
• 21:25
  working in Japan point is you've got a lot of options, right?
• 21:29
  So this, this is kind of a two-part question.
• 21:32
  Like, what are your goals and aspirations and ideally like,
• 21:36
  where's best for you is best for Matt Rivera Matt's exit, which
• 21:39
  and by the way, which which name are we going by?
• 21:42
  Well, that's that itself. Is a whole other question, but
• 21:45
  right now we'll say that Rivera, it's a weird spot because I've
• 21:48
  been so my full name is Matthew sex and Rivera.
• 21:52
  That's right. When I and I'll just do a quick
• 21:56
  Side Story. When I first started wrestling
• 21:58
  training, Inning. There was someone already named
• 22:00
  Rivera, there was an Antonio Rivera and they didn't want us
• 22:03
  to think that we were brothers. They don't see what by You
• 22:05
  Restless for TNA as well. Scoot, I think it's Matt Riviera
• 22:09
  or something. Oh yeah, but even more.
• 22:12
  We get confused all the time. People are like, Alden, Jerry,
• 22:16
  Lawler. Cut your perm.
• 22:17
  I'm like, no, you didn't cut my perm.
• 22:19
  Like that wasn't me. That happens, all died.
• 22:24
  I've argued with people like, no, you're that guy, Mike, I'm
• 22:26
  pretty sure. I know who I am.
• 22:28
  Last time I checked. As far as goals go, that it's
• 22:32
  when I first decided to start actually backtrack wouldn't let
• 22:36
  me really backtrack if that's okay.
• 22:38
  After the impact wrestling tryout.
• 22:40
  I really didn't know what was next for me.
• 22:44
  I was definitely a little distraught because I felt like I
• 22:49
  kind of felt like tiene wasn't able to see what I can really
• 22:54
  do, you know they just saw what was filmed and everything you
• 22:58
  saw. Was probably like 90 or 80
• 23:01
  percent of the interactions I had with them.
• 23:03
  So it wasn't like the cameras went off and I was there for
• 23:06
  hours and hours and hours. If anything I was there for
• 23:09
  maybe an hour got to talk a little bit but then we had to go
• 23:12
  shoot the next scene. It was about TLC more than it
• 23:15
  was about Impact Wrestling than my tryout.
• 23:18
  So like you know and I understood that I got it but
• 23:22
  deep down it was like man, this sucks like yeah, that was it,
• 23:25
  that was it, it's not you know like I just felt like that
• 23:29
  opportunity flew out of my hands and it was never going to come
• 23:31
  back and not that that was true, but that's how I felt at the
• 23:35
  time. So I kind of took a step back
• 23:38
  from wrestling. I was just like you know what,
• 23:41
  my goal was to get an opportunity like that and then
• 23:44
  see what happens. So, in my mind, I hit my top
• 23:48
  goal, it was to get an opportunity like that and then
• 23:51
  see what happens. So it really, really kind of
• 23:55
  sucks. But with this happening with the
• 23:58
  boom with the interest in the cheap wrestler, the main
• 24:00
  question I get. The number one question is, when
• 24:03
  are you returning to the right? You know, like that is the
• 24:05
  number one question would be. So just to just a real quick
• 24:08
  question on top of that as well. I was reading back and looking
• 24:11
  over your career and there was a point where you kind of stopped
• 24:14
  wrestling. So, Like briefly and then you
• 24:17
  start it again. Now obviously with the pandemic
• 24:20
  and everything it just froze, everything the war but there are
• 24:23
  people wrestling. There are shows going on right,
• 24:26
  right. So with this pause that happened
• 24:30
  is that something that just happened right before the
• 24:32
  pandemic and it's just whatever for you or is it a case of like
• 24:37
  you, you're kind of waiting until the right moment and then
• 24:42
  you're going to jump on it kind of thing, right?
• 24:46
  It's a tough question to say. I'm definitely one of those
• 24:49
  people who I take the pandemic very serious look like I really
• 24:52
  do. There's a lot of people out
• 24:54
  there and I don't, it's not me bashing anyone.
• 24:57
  Everyone has a different mentality and different feelings
• 24:59
  on it, but I'm someone who's extremely cautious during this
• 25:02
  time. And there are a lot of people
• 25:04
  who, okay, whatever I'll jump in the ring with a stranger right
• 25:08
  now. No problem.
• 25:09
  And I'm just not on board with that.
• 25:11
  So it's almost hard for me to think about the future because I
• 25:14
  really don't know what it's going to look like next month.
• 25:16
  No clue. It's going to be worse, if it's
• 25:18
  going to be better, but let's pretend the pan-islamic didn't
• 25:21
  happen. Let's go with that.
• 25:23
  So when I started this YouTube channel, well when it blew up, I
• 25:27
  decided okay, what this is going to be, I'm going to have a bunch
• 25:30
  of videos but it's going to be on my way back to the wrestling
• 25:35
  ring. I always have a loving
• 25:37
  wrestling. Yeah, and I was I always felt
• 25:40
  that I had something special to offer with in wrestling and it's
• 25:44
  more personality. Storytelling, that sort of
• 25:47
  thing. A lot of people ask me a great
• 25:49
  question and I had to really think about it, but someone
• 25:51
  asked me on YouTube. If you had to compare yourself
• 25:54
  with another wrestler who would it be?
• 25:56
  And I had to really think about that because and I don't mind
• 25:59
  saying this I never considered myself to be a great wrestler.
• 26:03
  Never like I'm not Kurt Angle, I don't wrestle like Chris Benoit.
• 26:07
  I'm not Shawn Michaels like I'm not you know I'm hell I'm not
• 26:11
  Kenny Omega or the Young Bucks. Like you're not going to see me
• 26:13
  doing springboard. I gotta say I gotta say as well.
• 26:16
  Don't think that that's the measure of a good wrestler
• 26:19
  either because either, you know like just just to give you a
• 26:21
  real quick example. You know like Ric Flair wasn't
• 26:26
  that the best wrestler ever but like he he was able to like
• 26:30
  command any Arena that he was in and piss people off and like if
• 26:36
  you take like because for me a good wrestling and this I guess
• 26:39
  it's subjective. You know I love to see all the
• 26:42
  flips all that stuff. That's great right?
• 26:44
  But for me a real mess wrestling match is A mixture of having
• 26:47
  those moves in the right places where it means something like
• 26:50
  making. Everything means something,
• 26:52
  having good ring psychology, making people almost believe
• 26:55
  that you do really hate each other, right?
• 26:58
  And, you know, having that emotion to some degree or if
• 27:03
  there's not like an obvious reason for you guys to hate each
• 27:06
  other, then the they call it storytelling.
• 27:09
  I guess you know in the ring where you kind of logically play
• 27:14
  through the match. So like Say you have two guys
• 27:17
  where it's not obvious. Who's the good guy?
• 27:19
  Who's the bad guy? Right.
• 27:21
  You know, I often see, Cody do this, Cody Rhodes?
• 27:24
  You know, he'll, you know, play the bad guy because he knows how
• 27:27
  to do it and he knows like when to do it as well.
• 27:32
  So I think for you, you know, you have that like you said,
• 27:38
  like yeah, I believe I have something and this is not me,
• 27:41
  kissing your ass. This is me saying, I believe
• 27:44
  that too. When I look at you.
• 27:46
  I see a guy who's going to make it on one of those shows.
• 27:50
  Like I said, it's not a question of if but when because it's all
• 27:54
  about like being able to see that and I think that this is
• 27:57
  one of the mistakes that ww-was makes is that, you know, they
• 28:00
  have so much talent so many guys that you're like, yeah, that guy
• 28:03
  that guy. But like they don't push them in
• 28:05
  the right way, right? And I take someone like
• 28:07
  keighley, for instance, they're pushing him, he's at the top
• 28:11
  he's, you know, he's got the NXT title but to be honest with you,
• 28:14
  when he had that like look with Reigns and he went like
• 28:17
  toe-to-toe with him and there was that I was like, that's like
• 28:21
  your next Rock right there. I 100% agree with you with
• 28:24
  keighley, I feel like is the total package.
• 28:27
  He has the it factor and he has a unique look, he moves
• 28:31
  differently to me. Keep Lee is one of those guys
• 28:35
  that they should be investing in absolutely point being that
• 28:38
  like, you know, if the company is behind you and you've got
• 28:42
  that right platform. And they, and they give you that
• 28:44
  breathing room, which is why I kind of That's why I'm more into
• 28:47
  aw at the moment like I still keep up with WWE or watch the
• 28:50
  pay-per-views whatever. But for me the week-to-week
• 28:53
  product with a W is better because it builds up people.
• 28:57
  It's logical, you know? And they give the person
• 29:01
  breathing room if something's working, they roll with it,
• 29:04
  right? And I feel like with you, that's
• 29:06
  what it will be. If you can come in and go, hey,
• 29:09
  I got this to offer and a lot, okay.
• 29:12
  Show us what you can do. Right.
• 29:14
  Right. Think that's what I could.
• 29:17
  You're absolutely right. And you had asked this question
• 29:19
  before and I tend to kind of ramble on and go a bunch of
• 29:21
  different directions and he's like, thank you, had asked where
• 29:25
  I see be myself or where do I think would be the best fit if I
• 29:29
  were to keep pursuing wrestling? Aw is absolutely dancer.
• 29:33
  I obviously would love to say WWE, you know, I want to be on
• 29:37
  the Wrestlemania card and all those things are true.
• 29:39
  But I think right now he's W would be the best fit for the
• 29:45
  cheap wrestler, you know, something with I guess, kind of
• 29:48
  a comedy gimmick at times. But also with, like you said a
• 29:52
  little bit more free rein of character and development.
• 29:56
  Because NXT WWE is the factory mass produced and and I mean,
• 30:02
  this is like the best ways like all major companies get to this
• 30:06
  point if you want to be successful, but sometimes you
• 30:09
  want to see something a little more, A little more fresh, a
• 30:13
  little more, just something different.
• 30:16
  And I think the cheap wrestler would fit better in aew than he
• 30:20
  would in NXT or WWE. No, I go to say, like, part of
• 30:24
  me is like, yeah, you know, you should run with a cheap Bressler
• 30:27
  gimmick and then go for it. Because like, why not?
• 30:29
  But part of me is like, you know, I've seen you doing being
• 30:32
  a heel going with I guess the number one attraction gimmick or
• 30:35
  something like that. And I feel like that's a better
• 30:38
  personally. I feel like that's a better kind
• 30:39
  of fit for you. I think you should go in there.
• 30:41
  Like serious and just be like, this is me, we can do the comedy
• 30:45
  thing later on or maybe we can even make a like a, I don't
• 30:49
  know. Like they're say like you were
• 30:51
  included in the being Elite series for argument and they did
• 30:54
  like little segments of you being cheap and it can be like a
• 30:56
  running gag kind of thing. But I just I don't I don't like
• 31:00
  the idea of it being your main gimmick because I think that
• 31:02
  just like pigeonholes you and limits, jeannot mean your
• 31:06
  potential and just with what you were saying about WWE.
• 31:10
  I completely agree. I actually The a lot of the time
• 31:13
  when I see that a wrestler is going to WWE, I'm like worried
• 31:16
  for them because like yeah back in the 90s 2000s, whatever it
• 31:22
  was the place to be. But now, I think there's so many
• 31:24
  options and I feel like they have everyone but like, not
• 31:30
  everyone liked a lot of people fail there and it's like, and
• 31:34
  it's Bobby Roode. What is he doing?
• 31:37
  And I I always felt Bobby Roode was Top five for me, an impact
• 31:41
  wrestling of all time. Haven't even seen the guy on TV,
• 31:45
  I know he's free easy to sit back and be low because you
• 31:49
  know, they will probably be lets say like I criticize them
• 31:52
  they'll be like, well, okay, what would you do better?
• 31:54
  And it's like, well, for a start, I'd have less Talent.
• 31:58
  They have roughly, what it is. They're too many people.
• 32:00
  It's an oversaturation. That's why people are Bobby
• 32:02
  Roode just kind of sit in the mid card and yet, there's
• 32:05
  nothing wrong with being in a midcard.
• 32:06
  Don't get me wrong but that what they do, I think.
• 32:10
  Kill people. And this is what I think, aw is
• 32:12
  better, right? If you see that a guy is like
• 32:14
  gradually winning you like and you expecting to get a title
• 32:17
  shot and then it happens, you know, all if wrestler pulls off
• 32:21
  a big win over someone they'll get a title shot or they'll be
• 32:24
  in the running. It's logical professional
• 32:27
  wrestling as it should be, where is WWE.
• 32:29
  It's like he's a really good example real quick.
• 32:32
  One because I don't want to take too much time on this but
• 32:34
  remember when Bray Wyatt as a fiend lost to Goldberg lost
• 32:38
  title, Right. It was dumb, it was mismanaged,
• 32:42
  right? But the thing that pissed me off
• 32:44
  the most was that, that was it, no pay.
• 32:47
  No pay back. No, you know, they'd never
• 32:50
  mentioned it again. He just went straight on to
• 32:52
  Cena, Goldberg went off and did his thing that was it and I was
• 32:55
  like well what's the point where you just buried him and then
• 32:58
  that's it. And a lot of the time when they
• 33:00
  say when you say that to them like oh well, you know, people
• 33:04
  have to lose and, you know, it's wins and losses don't matter and
• 33:07
  it's like, no, they do matter and it needs to be Fine for
• 33:10
  someone to lose but if it's someone that's like always
• 33:14
  winning. Like take Cody Cody Rhodes right
• 33:17
  now? Yeah, they're doing a thing
• 33:19
  where every week he's, you know, wrestling with the the TV title
• 33:24
  and it's obviously building up, he will lose it at some point,
• 33:27
  but he'll lose it in a big way, right.
• 33:29
  Imagine if like, one week, he just randomly lost it to some
• 33:32
  guy who's never been on the show before, like, everyone could be
• 33:37
  worse. Well, I, I keep saying, yeah.
• 33:40
  Yeah, if there's any way to put you in the pressure straight
• 33:44
  away, it's wrestling Cody. And I think you do an excellent
• 33:46
  job, you have push for that. I do probably every time he
• 33:50
  mentions it, I tag him in. I'm like, this guy.
• 33:53
  Stopped sleeping on mattresses era.
• 33:55
  I appreciate that, man. I really do.
• 33:56
  I really will happen. Then I like I said, but you will
• 34:00
  keep pushing to man. Oh, so I'll get to that in one
• 34:03
  second. Like I said, I feel like my
• 34:04
  mind. Just go to the and just goes and
• 34:07
  all crazy ways but you're absolutely right.
• 34:09
  I mean, I was actually just talking to a good friend of mine
• 34:11
  the other day about WWE storylines, right?
• 34:14
  All right. Vince McMahon blowing up in the
• 34:17
  limo, obviously, that didn't work out for a couple of
• 34:20
  reasons, but Vince McMahon son, being Hornswoggle.
• 34:25
  Like, I was like, okay, what is what?
• 34:27
  Compound muscle that was nice. Um, Hornswoggle also ended up
• 34:32
  being the, what was it? The elements team.
• 34:34
  Camryn has not like you guys aren't even trying like, it's
• 34:38
  not just funny because it's a little person.
• 34:40
  You got his big. Oh, it's funny because he's a
• 34:42
  little person. He like, no, but that's Vince's
• 34:44
  humor. He finds that shit. any Force I
• 34:46
  know I don't like maybe it was funny like, you know, early 90s
• 34:49
  late 80s but it's not funny anymore, it's all day then I
• 34:53
  think the fans are becoming more It's interesting, fans are
• 34:58
  becoming more a part of it. They're becoming more aware
• 35:02
  little smarter when it comes to the business and just you know
• 35:04
  what's going on behind the scenes.
• 35:06
  And I think More fans are becoming.
• 35:12
  What's the word I'm looking for? Almost, like they teach
• 35:14
  themselves, like, the ever, like everyone who's a fan has a
• 35:18
  understanding of what they feel, like they should see and WWE
• 35:22
  tends to drop the ball on that, even the hacker storyline.
• 35:24
  Like I'm curious if the hacker ends up popping up again with
• 35:28
  our retribution, you know, because I can kind of see maybe
• 35:32
  something there but the bigger part of me is like Matt the
• 35:35
  hacker thing is probably just done and that's it and you'll
• 35:37
  never see it. Yeah.
• 35:38
  They do that often like and it pisses me off because like there
• 35:41
  were talks about it being CM Punk and I'm like, oh, that
• 35:44
  would be amazing. But it's not the general
• 35:47
  consensus was that it would be a lie, a lie, right?
• 35:51
  My God, does that guy need to push those?
• 35:54
  And I think him Ricochet and Cedric are all suffering in the
• 35:58
  same boat. We're super talented guys, but
• 36:01
  you know what though? And I'll say this, I will say
• 36:03
  this all super talented guys but none are known for their mic
• 36:06
  skills, none or known for their You know, ability to cut a
• 36:10
  promo. And I'm not saying that they
• 36:12
  can't, but they're not known for it and I, and I did, I agree.
• 36:15
  I mean, I'm always the first to give a plug because this is the
• 36:18
  thing. Look, I'll criticize ww-will
• 36:20
  day, but I'll also give them props for like everything they
• 36:22
  do. Right.
• 36:22
  And so, we wrestlers Ricochet, Mazen worker, but not good.
• 36:26
  On the mic, I haven't heard a single promo, that's good.
• 36:29
  However, WWE problem with them is that they script everything.
• 36:34
  And I feel like Ricochet is not good with that.
• 36:38
  Certain guys are okay with it but generally speaking, whoever
• 36:42
  you give a script to is not good, you know, it's better to
• 36:45
  just let a guy, you know, have key points.
• 36:49
  You know, if anything I use this approach when I do my acting
• 36:52
  videos, I don't actually script my acting videos.
• 36:54
  I just have a couple of ideas, right somehow.
• 36:58
  Yeah. And like every great wrestling
• 37:00
  promo there is ever been has been like that you think of your
• 37:04
  Dusty Rhodes hard times or Your Hogan's, you know?
• 37:07
  They just, yeah, they were told her.
• 37:09
  Look, you've got five minutes. Tell them why they should watch
• 37:12
  this pay-per-view and you just fucking go for it.
• 37:14
  Exactly. And I think they really missed
• 37:17
  the ball on that, and I think with Ricochet and I was telling
• 37:19
  a friend, this they gave Ricochet Neville's, old, crappy
• 37:24
  gimmick of being a superhero. And no one.
• 37:26
  Oh my God. Yes, they did.
• 37:28
  No one wants you to come out with like wings are a cape in
• 37:30
  life. You know, I'm a good guy like,
• 37:34
  no, no. Like if you're a good guy, be
• 37:37
  cool. Like, that's why I like the rock
• 37:39
  and stone Cold War so popular because they were cool.
• 37:42
  No one wants to be like I'm a superhero.
• 37:44
  See, the thing is though. He's managed to sting you.
• 37:47
  Mentioned those guys because I was basically tweeners.
• 37:49
  I mean Austin was a bad guy who people just fell in love with,
• 37:53
  and he, it was his rebellious, The Rock.
• 37:55
  Obviously, originally a heel, same thing like, like who's
• 38:01
  giving hoobs Truly like an actual baby face in the because
• 38:04
  I remember hearing some of the old guys like cornet, talk about
• 38:07
  this and they say that, you know, a good guy typically, you
• 38:11
  know, he won't, she he'll-he'll wrestle, you know, for for honor
• 38:16
  and stuff like that, and I think that, that kind of a Babyface
• 38:19
  can exist, but it has to be logical, you know.
• 38:22
  I mean, like that's John Cena, you know, that's John Cena right
• 38:25
  there. Yeah.
• 38:26
  And we John Cena, that's the thing.
• 38:28
  Like he obviously not the most loved baby face of all.
• 38:31
  Time is not a big space because it was too much of that thing
• 38:34
  that you're saying that that nice guy shit if he would have
• 38:37
  played up to the hill stuff a little bit, not going bad guy
• 38:40
  but being like you know rolled with it people would have been
• 38:43
  fine because see know like in the beginning was amazing.
• 38:47
  Everyone loved John Cena. That's what.
• 38:49
  Yeah you know and it just grew into that like sick and it's the
• 38:53
  same with thing with what Roman Reigns like he's more enjoyed
• 38:56
  now because they're like okay we won't give him shitty stuff to
• 38:59
  say we'll just let him be him and it's like, oh actually He's
• 39:02
  cool. He's like you say he's a badass,
• 39:03
  right? And Roman Reigns is a tough one,
• 39:05
  too. Just because when he gets on the
• 39:07
  mic man, it's it's so flat. It's so flat.
• 39:10
  Like there's no, he doesn't even have like pitches in his voice,
• 39:14
  you know. It's just one flat thing.
• 39:16
  I'm gonna go in there and take back my yard.
• 39:19
  They tell him to do it like that though.
• 39:20
  I'm because obviously yeah I know he didn't heal promo in NXT
• 39:26
  and it was a different guy. It was amazing.
• 39:29
  And it sucks. I don't know why they do that.
• 39:32
  To go back to your question. Before I do consider the rock
• 39:36
  and stone cold, true baby faces. And the reason why is, because
• 39:40
  deep that it doesn't matter what they do, it matters, how they
• 39:43
  make you feel, they make you feel like sharing them on that.
• 39:47
  You wish they were your best friend.
• 39:49
  You want to be on their team. They are fighting the people
• 39:52
  that you hate, you know, like they might, okay?
• 39:56
  Yeah. In real life if I went and stone
• 39:58
  cold stunner, my boss that is not a good thing.
• 40:01
  Dude, that's a bad guy thing to do, but in the world of
• 40:04
  wrestling and when Vince McMahon is your boss, you're basically
• 40:08
  an angel, he might be an angel with two cans of beer in your
• 40:11
  hand, but you're still an angel, you know.
• 40:13
  So to me, they're two of the greatest baby faces of all time.
• 40:16
  And another great example is Eddie Guerrero, you know, Eddie
• 40:19
  Guerrero, like should lie cheat and steal.
• 40:21
  Those are not three words that should be associated with the
• 40:23
  baby face. But they were, you know, Moving
• 40:27
  forward. You've wrestled with the likes
• 40:29
  of if people can believe this, right?
• 40:30
  Wrestling fans, get ready for this Tito Santana.
• 40:34
  I was in 0 we mentioned before Jimmy, the soup Superfly.
• 40:38
  Snuka right? This was all in the same match,
• 40:43
  that's all. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 40:47
  Just just absolutely incredible. You know, you've had some Some
• 40:52
  pretty amazing experiences interactions for people.
• 40:56
  But what would you say you know, of your career so far?
• 40:59
  Would be like your greatest achievements and moments like
• 41:02
  your personal success has, huh? That's a, that's a great
• 41:05
  question. Definitely.
• 41:06
  That matches one of them because to this day it is and I just
• 41:10
  want to make sure I'm thinking yeah.
• 41:12
  It's the biggest crowd I've ever wrestled in front of it was a
• 41:15
  Maybe 5,000 people in Brooklyn, those like yeah it was like you
• 41:20
  know quite a bit of people and that I'm used to 50 to 100 maybe
• 41:25
  like 150, 200, tops? That's like a really good day
• 41:29
  but that was definitely one of them just being able to get in
• 41:32
  the ring with three Legends. And you know look around and you
• 41:35
  know, I'm in a stadium. I'm like wow.
• 41:36
  And that day was really cool because it was like an all-day
• 41:39
  event and, you know, there's people interviewing and it was
• 41:42
  just really dope and I feel like it was one of those.
• 41:45
  Those days where my cat. I'm happy to be a pro wrestler.
• 41:47
  Like today's a good day. Some other big accomplishments.
• 41:52
  I got a few obviously, obviously getting to do the impact.
• 41:55
  Try out is huge. So that's three right there.
• 41:59
  I work for a small company that decided to make me the World
• 42:03
  Champ. And I really appreciated that
• 42:05
  because I felt like it was solely on the fact that I was
• 42:09
  entertaining enough because I'm not a tall guy, I'm not a big
• 42:12
  guy or anything like that and I High flyer.
• 42:15
  So I always am, curious to see what's the most important aspect
• 42:20
  to other people, you know, is it that?
• 42:22
  I'm 65 because, nope, that's not, that's not a thing.
• 42:26
  Is it? You know, if I can rustle, like
• 42:28
  Daniel Bryan, or is it if I can fly like a young buck, you know?
• 42:31
  And I'm curious, because to me, going back with something I said
• 42:35
  before, is I compare myself to like an Enzo or an MVP where,
• 42:38
  you know, the more for their characters, not forth the ring,
• 42:41
  you know, and it's not that either one were bad in the ring
• 42:44
  like a, you didn't Watch their matches and go oh my gosh, it's
• 42:46
  Eva Marie. What are you doing there?
• 42:48
  You know, like she go pretty good towards the end though.
• 42:51
  Who said that? I don't know man.
• 42:53
  Maybe in comparison to how she was but not in the yeah.
• 42:57
  So like WWE and I always spread love and I don't mean to you
• 43:04
  know, if she were to ever see this at it.
• 43:06
  I mean in the nicest way possible, but I don't think she
• 43:09
  ever was like aiming to be the best wrestler ever.
• 43:12
  You know, I don't think you could seriously, you know.
• 43:15
  Yeah, it is what it is, what it is.
• 43:17
  Um, but anyway, accomplishments I would say another big one was,
• 43:21
  I wrestled for Northeast Wrestling and that was big for
• 43:25
  me because it was my hometown to.
• 43:27
  So that was really dope. And there was a lot of people on
• 43:29
  that card that I was able to pick the brains of like, Tommy
• 43:33
  Dreamer. Oh, wow.
• 43:35
  Hyper. Which oh?
• 43:37
  That's close. Yeah.
• 43:39
  You met Roddy Piper? Yeah.
• 43:42
  I feel like when he passed, man, like, and I'm not one to be
• 43:44
  long, we were like this because we weren't, but It's one of
• 43:49
  those people that met for a very short period of time in my life
• 43:52
  but made an impact made a Mark and I will never forget him.
• 43:56
  I thought I had a terrible match that night.
• 43:59
  I had a terrible match tonight. It's and you know, he came up to
• 44:03
  me afterwards, he saw it on my face because I just kind of said
• 44:06
  this morning, what did I just do?
• 44:07
  Like that was terrible and him, put his arm around me and he's a
• 44:12
  he was a character, man. Like he was Roddy Piper.
• 44:14
  He was sitting on a locker room and he looks at his ass.
• 44:18
  Oh, these lockers can speak the stories.
• 44:21
  They would tell. Okay, so cool man.
• 44:29
  Yeah, exactly, that. It's funny to say, but that's a
• 44:31
  moment for me to me, that's huge.
• 44:33
  Like, I will never forget that, you know, um, but I know we're
• 44:38
  running out of time here and I do want to answer something that
• 44:40
  you asked probably like, half an hour ago.
• 44:43
  Where do I see what's next wrestling wise.
• 44:46
  So, I'm hoping this Endemic and sooner than later, but I have a
• 44:49
  feeling it's something that's going to be something we deal
• 44:52
  with for years to come. I hate saying that but I just my
• 44:55
  gut feeling. However, I do want to get back
• 44:57
  in the ring for a lot of reasons.
• 44:59
  I have something that I'm going to kind of introduce on YouTube.
• 45:03
  It's going to be my, I guess wrestler, wish list if you will.
• 45:06
  There's a lot of people on the independent scene that I didn't
• 45:08
  get to step in the ring with that.
• 45:10
  I feel like I need to if I'm going to if I'm going to close
• 45:13
  that chapter of my life, I don't I'm very flexible right now on
• 45:17
  what the next? A handful of years can look
• 45:18
  like, but one thing I know for sure is, I love entertaining
• 45:21
  people. I always have a lot of people
• 45:23
  go. Oh, what he does is fake because
• 45:26
  he's an actor. I'm like, oh yeah, I love acting
• 45:27
  but it's not really relevant to what's fake in my life.
• 45:30
  I just love doing that also and I love music.
• 45:33
  I love making people feel something.
• 45:35
  So whether I was a good guy or a bad guy if people would go home
• 45:40
  and go, wow, I felt better. That guy was a jerk or whatever.
• 45:43
  Then I did my job, right? And I feel like if I can make
• 45:46
  somebody forget Their normal day, life for just 5 minutes, 10
• 45:52
  minutes and you know bring a smile to their face or make them
• 45:55
  feel a little pissed at me or whatever sad happy.
• 45:59
  That I feel like is an accomplishment for me and I
• 46:02
  think that that's my main goal in life and I've been able to do
• 46:05
  that with this YouTube channel now which is something I'm very
• 46:07
  thankful for but I do plan on stepping back in the ring and I
• 46:11
  feel like when I do it'll it'll be with a different mindset than
• 46:16
  when I last wrestled. So I'm excited to see where it
• 46:19
  goes and I do do believe like you said.
• 46:23
  I do believe not forget believe. I know that I have something
• 46:29
  that I can offer to a wrestling promotion and I feel like it's
• 46:32
  on them if they pick it up or not.
• 46:34
  Like I even well, you know you asked the question.
• 46:37
  I'm I've been running my mouth for too long real quick.
• 46:40
  How old are you right now? Oh, that's one of the, that's
• 46:44
  one of the big questions that I usually don't tell anybody.
• 46:46
  I don't know. I might have to sit See, on this
• 46:48
  one. I'm 32 try to write.
• 46:52
  See this is the thing you sound, hesitancy.
• 46:55
  Like you almost said before, like, oh, you know may be
• 46:59
  winding down as far as I'm concerned.
• 47:01
  You still in the prime like you've got plenty of years to
• 47:05
  like cough something out for yourself.
• 47:07
  And you know, I mean there's wrestlers that go into their 50s
• 47:10
  60s, even do not. I mean like there's a lot of
• 47:12
  potential for you. Now you say You're Building
• 47:16
  towards something. I'm not To like, push you for
• 47:18
  that. We'll save that for your
• 47:19
  YouTube. I will say go and subscribe to
• 47:22
  his channel. He creates great content.
• 47:24
  And, you know, I felt like there's something in the
• 47:27
  Rumblings with you, that you're not really revealing that I
• 47:30
  feel. Because to be honest with you
• 47:32
  every week that were JW, I might this could be it.
• 47:35
  He might turn up, you just never know.
• 47:37
  You never know. And I fully expected that like,
• 47:40
  I just know. And that's kind of the one of
• 47:41
  the reasons I wanted to get this interview as well, because it's
• 47:43
  like that guy was a live podcast and I believed in him And he's
• 47:48
  there and now no one could say anything.
• 47:51
  Because I believed in him day one and I do really appreciate
• 47:55
  that. And I get what you're saying.
• 47:58
  Because I think a lot of people do have that feeling that I
• 48:00
  could appear on a wrestling show.
• 48:02
  Any day of the week, they might turn on impact and see me.
• 48:04
  They might turn up. That's another one impact is
• 48:07
  another one that I think that there is a lot of potential in
• 48:10
  me. Going to for a couple of
• 48:12
  reasons. I do know a few people and
• 48:15
  impact n. Aw, but there's a few people in
• 48:17
  there that I'm All right. Maybe I should reach out to but
• 48:20
  beyond that. It's the story writes itself, if
• 48:23
  I'm an impact, right? I gotta say, as well, like,
• 48:26
  because I thought about asking you this, but I wasn't sure and
• 48:28
  I kind of figured what you would say.
• 48:30
  But, you know, or die's from aw. Now for those who don't know, if
• 48:35
  you watch the TLC clip that we mentioned earlier, you can see
• 48:39
  or these in the background and you guys, you know, and you've
• 48:41
  explained, I asked you this question, like, is that the guy
• 48:44
  and you're like, yeah, it's him. We, you know, it's been together
• 48:47
  briefly and then, For those who know he then went on to impact
• 48:50
  and then now is in aw and I keep racking my brains like why don't
• 48:54
  you just ask him just below? Hey, listen, I really want to
• 48:58
  make it, you know, do you think you can stop me out?
• 49:00
  Just to shot. So, with Ortiz is funny because
• 49:04
  some people, I actually didn't even realize he was in the shop,
• 49:08
  you know? So when someone's like that were
• 49:09
  teasing me so a couple of things I've only met him once or twice.
• 49:15
  Okay? Like and wrestling training,
• 49:17
  we've only I don't really know him like that at all.
• 49:21
  That's fine. I get it.
• 49:22
  Other people that I think I know a little better, like a father
• 49:25
  ba and impact. He's someone that I would reach
• 49:28
  out to but yeah, it's funny Ortiz like we we just never
• 49:34
  really were there. Like at the same time Stephen
• 49:38
  that day when we did the filming.
• 49:39
  It was a they got a lot of things that they shot.
• 49:42
  But it was very like, okay. Now you got to stand over there
• 49:44
  and do this. Now, you got to go over there,
• 49:46
  so we only brush shoulders. Extremely briefly extremely.
• 49:52
  So I don't even think I'm at a place where I can, you know, ask
• 49:54
  a favor and what even so, I mean, like, I think it's worth
• 49:58
  trying, you know, or like to your impact buddies with whoever
• 50:01
  I because, you know, some people might say, oh, isn't that kind
• 50:04
  of using your friends but you know what?
• 50:06
  Most people get their jobs through asking friends, firstly.
• 50:09
  Secondly, this is the wrestling business.
• 50:11
  And you know, at the end of the day, you're going to have to
• 50:15
  work for it. They can they can get you a
• 50:17
  shot, but you have to like prove You've and I feel like yeah it's
• 50:21
  been seven years since that tiene show.
• 50:23
  Ya got time to think a lot of time to grow.
• 50:27
  Think like like I said, I feel like you have a feeling and one
• 50:31
  thing this is less a question, but more a kind of thing that I
• 50:33
  just wanted to do because I thought it would be kind of
• 50:35
  cool. What is your message to the
• 50:40
  promoters to the Cody, Rhodes of the world, maybe WWE.
• 50:43
  Whoever this is your chance right now to be like All right,
• 50:48
  Madam. Please give me a show?
• 50:50
  Yeah, absolutely. Well, first of all for any
• 50:53
  company, like, if you want entertainment, if you want to
• 50:55
  make money, like I'm here guy, and I'm not just saying that to
• 51:00
  blow smoke up anyone's ass. It's just the fact, like, when I
• 51:03
  speak people, listen, it just, it is what it is.
• 51:05
  So if they're looking for someone that can Captivate an
• 51:08
  audience, someone who can rub someone the wrong way, or just
• 51:11
  kind of evoke any sort of an emotion that he wants someone
• 51:14
  like me because there's plenty of people that could do a flip,
• 51:17
  but there's not many people. That can get you to feel
• 51:19
  something that can suck you in. And I feel like that's something
• 51:23
  that I have that a lot of people don't and it's not something
• 51:25
  that I feel like. I know it's something that I
• 51:27
  have. I know for a fact and it's not
• 51:28
  even arrogance. It's just a fact and you can
• 51:32
  give a mic to 100 people and maybe three of them will stand
• 51:35
  out, but I'll be first on that list even in the top three.
• 51:40
  And that's how I wanted to end this, right?
• 51:43
  That it's perfect. And then that's how I feel and I
• 51:46
  some people say that that's arrogant, but and maybe it is.
• 51:49
  But I feel like listen, I'm the first one to say, I'm not the
• 51:53
  best high flyer. I'm not even the best wrestler
• 51:56
  but because of that I won't tell you right here.
• 51:59
  That's money that I have, you know.
• 52:02
  So That, you know that's all I gotta say about that.
• 52:08
  So to everyone particularly Cody, Rhodes, Cody Rhodes, he's
• 52:12
  your man, give this guy a shot because he's going to make you
• 52:15
  money. In fact that during all to a
• 52:20
  close, I mean, like, to be honest, I had tons more
• 52:22
  questions to ask you, but I'm just grateful to have had you
• 52:25
  here and to have had this, you know what so well, run another
• 52:29
  10 minutes. How does that concern?
• 52:30
  You got? You got bit more time.
• 52:31
  Okay, okay. Well that that works for me
• 52:34
  because I wanted to ask you real quick about your music.
• 52:37
  Oh yeah. Absolutely because you go under
• 52:40
  this is totally different. For those who don't know, you go
• 52:42
  under the name, Maverick with your rap career and you've been
• 52:44
  doing this quite a few years. Actually like I thought maybe
• 52:47
  this was a new thing, but you've been doing this awhile.
• 52:49
  You've released some music and stuff, talk to us a little bit
• 52:51
  about how you got into rapping, what it means to you and what
• 52:55
  your main goals and aspirations are with music.
• 52:58
  They're absolutely. So like I had said before, I
• 53:00
  definitely like to touch a different lot of branches of
• 53:03
  entertainment and when I was maybe like 13 years old, it's
• 53:08
  only through bit of a hard time as much, you know, young teens
• 53:11
  do. And I started writing, I started
• 53:13
  writing poetry and I just kind of felt like, I'm like, I love
• 53:17
  this poetry. But I want to, like, rip it from
• 53:19
  the paper and put it in people's heads and in their ears.
• 53:23
  Like, I just felt like I wanted to bring it to life in a
• 53:25
  different way. So, I started writing hip hop
• 53:28
  music. Now, it's funny because I've
• 53:30
  listened to a lot of different music.
• 53:32
  I'm not someone who's like, oh, I just like rap enough.
• 53:35
  I can listen to well, now country that's new for me, but I
• 53:38
  Sort of concert put me on to it and there's some like I really
• 53:42
  like Zac Brown Band, I don't know if you listen to them at
• 53:45
  all but big fan. But anyway so I started writing
• 53:48
  music when I was 13. First, we're first song ever
• 53:52
  recorded was when I was 15 years old.
• 53:54
  So over half my life ago, was the first time I ever recorded
• 53:57
  something and I just did it as a hobby at first, but again, just
• 54:01
  kind of like, with wrestling. I was like, nah, I have
• 54:04
  something that's somewhat that other people don't have.
• 54:05
  Let me, let me try something with this.
• 54:08
  This. So it's been majority of hobby,
• 54:12
  but a couple of years ago, I decided to really start pushing
• 54:15
  it and I come out with a bunch of different types of like
• 54:18
  hip-hop music. I did a song about the school
• 54:21
  shootings that were happening in the states, which got a lot of
• 54:26
  don't want to say popularity, because I just feel like that's
• 54:28
  a weird word to use it. So it got some, some attention.
• 54:31
  Yeah, got some attention, that's it.
• 54:33
  That's a better word and I love making music.
• 54:36
  It's probably something that I'll do.
• 54:38
  Rest of my life, even if it's slow because right now, I
• 54:41
  started something called Battle Zone bars which you probably
• 54:43
  have seen in. I'll talk about that very
• 54:45
  briefly because I can talk about it forever but it's a hip-hop
• 54:48
  Cipher competition. And the reason I did that was
• 54:51
  because just like with wrestling where I had a goal where I was
• 54:54
  like all right you know trying out for a major promotion as my
• 54:57
  top goal. My top goal for music was to get
• 55:03
  into this contest called teambackpack and I was like, all
• 55:07
  right, that's my top goal with music.
• 55:08
  Once I get there I'll be content so I get there and I leave the
• 55:13
  contest and I'm just scratching my head and I'm like that didn't
• 55:17
  do anything for me. You know, that that didn't I
• 55:19
  thought that was going to be same thing with impact.
• 55:22
  I thought that was going to be what put me on the next
• 55:24
  pedestal, you know, and I guess when I look back at both of
• 55:27
  those moments, It's alive. I should have been more.
• 55:32
  Okay with. Hey Matt you might not be moving
• 55:34
  up a, Maybe here's a left turn and maybe that'll eventually
• 55:37
  eventually get you where you want to be.
• 55:39
  Because I felt both of those moments in my life were very
• 55:42
  like, this hardening moments, you know?
• 55:45
  But back to the contest real quick leaving that I was like,
• 55:48
  you left, I left with nothing. Like I didn't have anything to
• 55:51
  show for participating in that and getting to that stage.
• 55:55
  So what I wanted to do is create something to give back to other
• 55:59
  people. So it's like, it's very To enter
• 56:01
  the contest and you end up getting a bunch of things on
• 56:03
  music videos. You can get free mixing and
• 56:06
  mastering of Oh, Wow, music. It's there's so much that you
• 56:09
  can walk away with that. I was like, no this is going to
• 56:13
  make a good hip-hop contest because it cost a lot of money
• 56:15
  to pursue something and entertainment.
• 56:17
  As you know the end up getting camera Mike's equipment.
• 56:20
  You know it gets to be a very expensive hobby or career and at
• 56:25
  this at this stage with music I think it's more about giving
• 56:29
  back and Creating something then, you know, I'm just going
• 56:33
  to make it on my own, you know, I don't, I don't need to be the
• 56:35
  next Eminem or anything like that.
• 56:37
  I just want to kind of give back and help people where I felt
• 56:41
  like I could have used to help you.
• 56:43
  No respect. That's, that's a really cool
• 56:46
  thing to do and not a lot of people necessarily have that
• 56:49
  approach and it's really cool. Do you think you would ever use
• 56:52
  your music like record a song as like your entrance theme or
• 56:55
  something like that? I totally would On once and I
• 57:01
  ended up using it maybe like twice and I just just know I had
• 57:05
  other stuff. No.
• 57:06
  Yeah I had other songs that I had used as entrance themes that
• 57:09
  I like know that just fits more like even though I recorded this
• 57:12
  like this is me like when I was a baby face on the independent
• 57:15
  scene I used Macklemore. Can't Hold Us.
• 57:18
  I don't know if you know that song it's a very like happening
• 57:20
  song. Yeah.
• 57:21
  Like yeah, like right away. It gets people can imagine that
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  actually working as. Yeah.
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  No. I think about it is and I came
• 57:29
  out to in like people doing This is crazy, when I was a heel I
• 57:33
  used two different songs. Go to be metal really, isn't it?
• 57:35
  Have you know what? Not even because I was more I
• 57:39
  wasn't an intimidating heel at all so I was more like I needed
• 57:42
  something with like swag and like a noxious Nasir.
• 57:45
  Believe the term is chickenshit Hill.
• 57:49
  Absolutely. And I have some great heel
• 57:50
  stories to like, oh yeah. Like I'll give you a quick one
• 57:54
  route. And I tell this to my sugar mama
• 57:56
  and when she when she heard I did this, she was just crazy.
• 57:59
  Can't do that. Under walking out as a heel one
• 58:01
  time. And there was a young man
• 58:03
  sitting in the front row who was a little overweight and he was
• 58:08
  eating like a Snickers bar. So I walked by him and he goes,
• 58:12
  you suck. So when I'm in he'll mode it's
• 58:16
  more, it's better to just not say anything to me.
• 58:18
  That's that's the smart thing. I lean in real close to where
• 58:21
  I'm like, all right. Only the immediate people will
• 58:23
  hear what I have to say to this kid so I snatch a Snickers bar
• 58:27
  from his hand and I looked at him and I go I just Did you a
• 58:30
  huge favor? And I throw him from the room
• 58:34
  like just like over the ring. I just Chuck it and he starts
• 58:38
  crying and his mom is like looking at me.
• 58:40
  Like, I'm the worst part. Like, I'm the devil.
• 58:42
  And at the time, I'm just like, I'm a heel.
• 58:45
  But do you want, you know, if you're going to say, I sucked.
• 58:47
  If you're going to open your mouth when I walk by prepare for
• 58:49
  the consequences and that was your consequences fat kid.
• 58:52
  That's how I felt at the time is now, if you do realize, you're
• 58:56
  not the time, it happens, like it was so bad that the Order had
• 59:01
  to talk to me afterwards. He goes, Matt, listen, I know
• 59:04
  you're just being a heel, but I'm like, and when I'm in that
• 59:09
  mode, I was like, I was like, yeah, that's exactly what I was
• 59:12
  doing. I'm being a heel.
• 59:14
  I'm like, so, I don't really see the problem, you know.
• 59:15
  Yeah. And he agreed, but she was
• 59:18
  really upset, so I take out two dollars good.
• 59:22
  Listen. You can go give this to the mom,
• 59:24
  but honestly, like, I'm not going to apologize.
• 59:26
  You know, like I agree. I couldn't agree more.
• 59:29
  And this is what? Again, why I think there's so
• 59:32
  much to use particularly as being a heel in the industry,
• 59:35
  like this is what we need, you know, like like so many of the
• 59:39
  the best, he'll bad guys are like totaled sweethearts but
• 59:43
  they just know to switch it on like Baron Corbin mjf.
• 59:47
  Oh yeah. Ante Up is a great example
• 59:49
  because I'm gonna be an asshole. Like, if anything, that promote
• 59:51
  promote, it should have been, like, we've got some pushback
• 59:55
  from that, but thank you so much for making me money.
• 59:57
  That's exactly what I did. And that's to me.
• 1:00:00
  The point. I'm like, no, I'm not here to be
• 1:00:02
  a Secretly. Nice big.
• 1:00:06
  He'll like, no, I want you to go home and be like.
• 1:00:08
  That guy was a dick and but this is my biggest struggle.
• 1:00:13
  I love being a heel, I love it, and I think I'm really good at
• 1:00:17
  it. But that sheep rustlers.
• 1:00:20
  What is what's bringing me to new heights?
• 1:00:24
  So, that is where I struggle because, again, I look back at,
• 1:00:27
  you know, when that when Extreme Cheapskates first came out, I
• 1:00:31
  saw, I was I stuck to my guns as like, no, number one attraction.
• 1:00:34
  That's what it's going to be, you know?
• 1:00:36
  Okay, I'm going to pitch you an idea.
• 1:00:38
  Sure. Here's what you do.
• 1:00:41
  You go in with the pit? The, you know, Cheapskate
• 1:00:44
  gimmick right, right. You get jumped out a little bit,
• 1:00:47
  you know, you Aggressive slowly. You like they're not taking me
• 1:00:53
  seriously. And then boom, he'll turn.
• 1:00:57
  And then that's when you see, Max axon, she come in with the
• 1:01:01
  gimmick, you like, yeah, you know, I'm that guy.
• 1:01:04
  That did that, and then suddenly nasty, horrible.
• 1:01:07
  And then that's the thing. Everyone would be like, huh.
• 1:01:11
  Now I've got a reason to like hate him, and they can also like
• 1:01:14
  mock you, and you'll be like feeding into it because you're a
• 1:01:17
  bad guy. It's just it just works it just
• 1:01:19
  works see I should be in the wrestling business, man.
• 1:01:22
  It is forever. And you know, there's been ideas
• 1:01:26
  that I've thrown out there that have actually happened and it
• 1:01:29
  kind of freaked me out, and makes me wonder like they look,
• 1:01:32
  read the comment. I think some company like,
• 1:01:39
  particular, WWE is really predictable a lot of time when
• 1:01:42
  I'm watching it. I'm like, yeah, I know.
• 1:01:44
  I just know what's going to happen.
• 1:01:45
  So I don't think they throw you off, but a lot of the time, it's
• 1:01:47
  really predictable. I think sometimes the WWE that
• 1:01:50
  they also don't do the predictable, like, in the way
• 1:01:53
  where you like know this was supposed to happen.
• 1:01:56
  Why didn't that happen? Yeah, Kevin Owens not winning
• 1:01:59
  the scene of Feud, is a good example, right there, right?
• 1:02:01
  You're just like, but why did you make that?
• 1:02:03
  Like when it should be predictable and we expect this
• 1:02:06
  outcome, they don't do it. Yeah.
• 1:02:09
  Yeah. They could be all over the place
• 1:02:10
  but what can you do? Thank you so much for you know
• 1:02:15
  you know just agreeing to be on the show making this a fantastic
• 1:02:18
  interview. I want to just kind of in this
• 1:02:20
  on. What would be you know do you
• 1:02:24
  have any like upcoming projects aside from the ones you've
• 1:02:26
  discussed anything that's upcoming that you want to tell
• 1:02:28
  your fans about or tell, you know, the listening audience for
• 1:02:31
  those who aren't aware of you? Or do you have any just final
• 1:02:35
  thoughts you'd like to share with us before we draw this door
• 1:02:38
  closed? Absolutely, I have a bunch of
• 1:02:40
  things going on right now, so I will share a little Bit about
• 1:02:43
  that out as we've discussed the YouTube channel.
• 1:02:46
  Just this constantly growing, which I am extremely thankful
• 1:02:48
  for thankful for people, like you for your support and having
• 1:02:51
  me, you know, do something like this.
• 1:02:53
  It's pretty cool. So, yeah, definitely follow me
• 1:02:57
  on YouTube. Matt Rivera, TLC.
• 1:03:00
  I am uploading a whole bunch of new things, and I'm starting to
• 1:03:03
  with my YouTube channel. I really want to create
• 1:03:05
  something that has something for everyone.
• 1:03:07
  Oh, you like video games? Yeah, I like video games too.
• 1:03:10
  Like, it doesn't have to be pigeonholed to Oh, I'm just a
• 1:03:13
  wrestler, you know, right? Talk about music.
• 1:03:16
  You like, you know, and sometimes that's a little
• 1:03:18
  challenging because people like art, but I don't know what to
• 1:03:21
  expect when I go there, which sometimes is a thing, all its
• 1:03:26
  own. But anyway, so always going to
• 1:03:29
  be doing new music. If you haven't already, YouTube
• 1:03:33
  Battle Zone bars. That's a, my other channel.
• 1:03:35
  It's all about hip hop music. So if you're into that,
• 1:03:38
  definitely join. But I do have a lot of new, kind
• 1:03:42
  of, like mini Series that I'm will be debuting on the YouTube
• 1:03:45
  channel. So I decided that 5K.
• 1:03:47
  I was like, you know, I'm gonna do some different stuff.
• 1:03:49
  I want to, you know, kind of expand on this even more.
• 1:03:53
  I did the wrestling Road stories and then I came to a point where
• 1:03:57
  I felt like that had exhausted its options.
• 1:04:00
  So I want to do cheap shots which when I first kind of
• 1:04:04
  tested the waters cheap shots with something I did where I
• 1:04:07
  just kind of showed like a cheap a quarter trick or something,
• 1:04:11
  silly that I did, I think, right?
• 1:04:12
  Yeah, I remember this and it's tough to be a little silly.
• 1:04:15
  Be a little comedic, but but also like know it is something
• 1:04:18
  you should do. It might be a good idea.
• 1:04:20
  You know, I think II went hitchhiking on one episode but I
• 1:04:24
  decided to kind of use that to test the waters and then grow
• 1:04:27
  from there. But I'm bringing it back in a
• 1:04:28
  new way. What I'm going to do is watch
• 1:04:30
  other people who have been on Extreme Cheapskates and see
• 1:04:34
  their life hacks and then try them myself the critique of to
• 1:04:39
  Cheapskate. Yeah, I'm gonna take it and I'm
• 1:04:41
  going to try it. If it's BS, if it helps, if
• 1:04:44
  it's, you know, changes, that's what cheap shots is going to be.
• 1:04:49
  So one thing that people ask me about and I wanted to wait until
• 1:04:54
  I felt like I needed new content to do.
• 1:04:56
  This is a weekly Regular Show, just about what's going on in
• 1:05:01
  wrestling. Going to call it a talk is cheap
• 1:05:03
  because it just makes sense. So, and since we're doing this,
• 1:05:08
  I'll even You know, I'll throw die out there right now.
• 1:05:12
  I would love to have you be on the first episode?
• 1:05:14
  What it is, is on the phone. I'm going to have different
• 1:05:18
  people who have podcast wrestling Enthusiast wrestlers,
• 1:05:22
  former wrestlers, current wrestlers referees, mad at
• 1:05:26
  anybody who has knowledge of professional wrestling.
• 1:05:29
  I kind of want to ask questions, get input.
• 1:05:32
  I wanted to look like a almost a Knights of the Round Table of
• 1:05:36
  different talents that no wrestling that can hold the
• 1:05:39
  Shouldn't so, you know, I'm not Raw SmackDown.
• 1:05:43
  Aw, everything in between, but that's something that will be
• 1:05:46
  happening in the next couple of months.
• 1:05:47
  So I'll make sure, I send you an invite for the first episode and
• 1:05:51
  it'll be just like similar Forum.
• 1:05:52
  Well, we're just shooting the shit and talking about what's
• 1:05:55
  going on in wrestling. I'll ask a few questions that
• 1:05:57
  maybe come up on the Community page on YouTube and whatever.
• 1:06:02
  So yeah, a lot of things going on.
• 1:06:03
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• 1:06:09
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• 1:06:13
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• 1:06:16
  And oh yeah again, thank you very much for agreeing to appear
• 1:06:20
  on the show. It's been an absolute pleasure.
• 1:06:22
  Thank you everyone listening on Spotify Apple podcast, Google
• 1:06:25
  podcasts breaker and everywhere else that you're listening to
• 1:06:29
  me. I see that you're kind of
• 1:06:30
  listening to me everywhere, so, it's a bit crazy.
• 1:06:33
  I hope everyone is enjoying the podcast on YouTube Since we made
• 1:06:36
  the sort of jump to video as well.
• 1:06:39
  If you are listening to the podcast and you haven't actually
• 1:06:41
  seen those, I recommend just popping over to YouTube.
• 1:06:44
  Have a little look you get to actually see the guests and
• 1:06:48
  particularly in the case of matter of our I think it's worth
• 1:06:50
  actually seeing him because when someone is cutting a promo you
• 1:06:53
  want to see the whole thing? Absolutely.
• 1:06:56
  But yeah, thank you to everyone. That's been listening to the
• 1:06:59
  Christian we've podcast. And if you would like to appear
• 1:07:01
  on my podcast, please send a message.
• 1:07:04
  Get in touch with me. I would love to have you on the
• 1:07:06
  show. I love doing this.
• 1:07:07
  It's definitely my favorite. Thing to do on this podcast is
• 1:07:10
  interview people. I just love it and yeah, thank
• 1:07:14
  you very much for listening and until next time, peace out.
• 1:07:17
  One love Shell. Thanks for having me.