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The Criticism Surrounding The Decision To Postpone The Kohberger Trial The First Time Around · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode we're heading right back up to Idaho and
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get another update on what's going on
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  Speaker 1: with Brian Kohlberger's trial as it looks like for all
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  Speaker 1: intents and purposes the decision has been made to push
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  Speaker 1: this trial back to 2025. Now we all had hopes
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  Speaker 1: obviously that this trial would kick off this year but
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  Speaker 1: this has always been a possibility especially considering all of
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  Speaker 1: the circumstances surrounding what's going on up here, and considering
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  Speaker 1: the contentious nature that we see between the prosecution and
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  Speaker 1: the defense, where both sides are lobbying allegations at each
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  Speaker 1: other about not providing everything that's needed during discovery. So
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  Speaker 1: you add that up with all of the other issues
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  Speaker 1: that we faced here, and all signs certainly pointed to
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  Speaker 1: another delay. So let's get to this article from the
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  Speaker 1: Daily Mail, and let's see what they have for us. Headline,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger trial fiasco sparks anger as judge delays until
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  Speaker 1: March 2025, two and a half years after the heinous
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  Speaker 1: Idaho murders. Well, unfortunately, that's how this works. The wheels
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  Speaker 1: of justice grind slowly in this country, and especially when
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about a case like this. With all of
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  Speaker 1: this notoriety, all of these issues that have popped up,
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  Speaker 1: you know that the judge is going to take his
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  Speaker 1: time and white glove The whole entire situation. Because the
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  Speaker 1: last thing Idaho needs is a retrial, right? Say they
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  Speaker 1: get a conviction here and then there's an appeal and
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  Speaker 1: that appeal is successful. Well, how much money has Idaho
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  Speaker 1: already spent trying to pursue a conviction? And we all
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  Speaker 1: know that Idaho isn't, you know, rolling around in the money.
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  Speaker 1: So it's important that they get this right the first
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  Speaker 1: time around. And I think that Judge Judge is very
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  Speaker 1: aware of that. Now, do I wish that this trial
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  Speaker 1: was starting in the summer? I most certainly do. The
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  Speaker 1: families of these murdered victims, they deserve to have this justice,
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  Speaker 1: and they deserve to have it in a timely manner.
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  Speaker 1: But we have to make sure that the process is followed.
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  Speaker 1: That way, when the conviction is dropped on this fool,
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  Speaker 1: it sticks. The author of this article is Will Potter.
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  Speaker 1: Idaho officials are under fire. as the long-anticipated trial for
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  Speaker 1: suspected quadruple murderer Brian Koberger was delayed yet again this week.
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  Speaker 1: The criminology lecturer, 29, is accused of shocking the nation
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  Speaker 1: in November of 2022 when University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin,
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodel, Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonsalves were stabbed to
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  Speaker 1: death in their off-campus home. Now, nearing on two years
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  Speaker 1: since the Grizzly murders, the trial is still in its
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  Speaker 1: preliminary stages with another hearing on Wednesday sparking backlash as
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  Speaker 1: the judge, again, declined to set a date. Well, the
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  Speaker 1: judge isn't on the schedule that the public wants him
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  Speaker 1: to be on. I know people don't want to hear that,
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  Speaker 1: but that's the truth. The judge has a job to
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  Speaker 1: do here, and in my opinion, Judge Judge has done
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  Speaker 1: a pretty good job managing what's going on as far
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  Speaker 1: as the notoriety of this case. Now, I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: fan of the gag order. I think that that is
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  Speaker 1: a bit too broad in its scope, but I understand
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  Speaker 1: why they'd want to gag a case like this. I
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  Speaker 1: just wish it wasn't so broad. This meant Kohlberger is
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  Speaker 1: not expected to face trial until at least the spring
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  Speaker 1: of 2025, leading to calls for officials to bring the
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  Speaker 1: ongoing disputes to a conclusion. Look, you can't rush this.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to have a Conviction that sticks? Or
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  Speaker 1: do you want Brian Kohlberger to walk and nobody to
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  Speaker 1: ever face the music? The victim's families are really the
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  Speaker 1: sufferers with these delays. Former FBI Special Agent Jennifer Kofendaffer
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  Speaker 1: told DailyMail.com after the hearing, Unfortunately, it looks like we're
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  Speaker 1: still years away from trial. Well, would they suffer more
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  Speaker 1: if they went, you know, willy-nilly here and then they
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  Speaker 1: didn't get the conviction? Or they got a conviction and
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  Speaker 1: it was overturned? Would that be okay? Because that's what
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  Speaker 1: would happen. You have to understand that when you have
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  Speaker 1: a sensitive situation like this, and you're talking about the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty, you have to go through all the hoops,
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  Speaker 1: jump through all of them, and make sure that all
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  Speaker 1: your T's are crossed and all of your I's are dotted.
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  Speaker 1: Because if not, then you're going to have big trouble
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  Speaker 1: later on down the road when it goes to appeal. Coffendaffer,
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  Speaker 1: who has served as an expert witness at numerous trials,
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  Speaker 1: said while the delayed trial is frustrating, it is far
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  Speaker 1: worse for the victim's families as the unending hearings are
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  Speaker 1: like continually picking a scab off the wound. Before the
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  Speaker 1: hearing delayed the trial, the family of victim Kaylee Gonsalves
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  Speaker 1: said they were anxious over the ongoing hearings but intended
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  Speaker 1: to continue to attend every court date. And it has
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  Speaker 1: to be horrible for them. I've said it a million
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  Speaker 1: times as far as the family goes, I just can't
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  Speaker 1: even begin to to have enough sympathy for what the
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves family and all the families are going through. And
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  Speaker 1: there's no way in hell I'd want to go through
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  Speaker 1: this every single day if it was my loved one either.
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  Speaker 1: But we have to look at it from the perspective
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  Speaker 1: of making sure that justice is served. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that the best way to do that is to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that you're thorough and and you give the defendant
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  Speaker 1: every chance in the world to prove their innocence, or
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  Speaker 1: at the very least, provide the evidence that proves their innocence.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's what Judge Judge is shooting for here.
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  Speaker 1: And even though the evidence against Brian Kohlberger is massive,
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  Speaker 1: the process has to be followed to a T. Feeling
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  Speaker 1: anxious about tomorrow, but our family will continue to show
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  Speaker 1: up for every court date the Gonsalves family will remain
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  Speaker 1: strong and united. We will never give up, the family
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  Speaker 1: said on Facebook. Although the family are yet to respond
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  Speaker 1: to the latest delay, it comes after several other postponements
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  Speaker 1: that have sparked fury, with Kaylee's mother, Christy, slamming the
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  Speaker 1: gut-wrenching process back in November. And look, I will never
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  Speaker 1: criticize the families for how they feel. If it was
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  Speaker 1: my loved one, I'd want justice served yesterday, so I
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  Speaker 1: get it 1,000%. I'm just trying to look at it
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  Speaker 1: from the perspective of society as a whole. We have
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that the process is followed. And as
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  Speaker 1: much as we might not care for Brian Kohlberger or
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  Speaker 1: think that he's guilty, he certainly has rights that have
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  Speaker 1: to be respected. Let's remember, he has not been convicted yet.
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  Speaker 1: So the process has to be followed. It's gut-wrenching how
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  Speaker 1: slow everything has to go. Why does this have to
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  Speaker 1: be so drawn out? Kaylee's mother said in an interview
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  Speaker 1: with KHQ. It's important, I get it. But there are facts.
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  Speaker 1: We have certain facts. We have certain knowledge. I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe that this is how it works. Unfortunately, the system,
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  Speaker 1: it grinds. And there's no quick resolution usually when we
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  Speaker 1: have a situation such as this. Unless you have somebody
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  Speaker 1: dead to rights and they're willing to admit that they
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  Speaker 1: did something wrong or they're guilty, then the process usually
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  Speaker 1: is pretty lengthy. The stricken mother's frustration was echoed by
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  Speaker 1: many after this week's failure to set a child date
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  Speaker 1: as supporters took to social media to slam the process.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe this Kohlberger trial isn't going to happen
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  Speaker 1: until 2025, said one. Those students were murdered in 2022.
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  Speaker 1: Our system needs a revamp. Well, I agree it does
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  Speaker 1: need to be revamped. But let's remember, this isn't just
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  Speaker 1: a trial where Brian Kohlberger might do a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years in jail. We're talking about a trial that could
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  Speaker 1: end up with this man on death row. So I
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  Speaker 1: think it's pretty important that we're thorough. And for us as,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people who are watching from the peanut gallery,
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  Speaker 1: of course, there's going to be varying opinions. And there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be people who are out there who are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not hip to how the process works or
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  Speaker 1: don't care for the process. And they want to see
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  Speaker 1: everything happen right away, you know, overnight. But unfortunately, that's
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  Speaker 1: not reality. And even if you don't like the rules
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  Speaker 1: of the game, that doesn't really matter because that's how
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  Speaker 1: this game is governed. Another Kohlberger hearing with little progress,
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  Speaker 1: added true crime podcaster Gisela Kay. Well, the judge better
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  Speaker 1: hurry up. All these TikTokers, they want this thing to
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  Speaker 1: keep moving. So the judge, you know, he's on the
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  Speaker 1: clock because TikTok said so. Give me a break with
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  Speaker 1: TikTok and all these knuckleheads that populate it. You want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the erosion of Western society? Hell, all
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  Speaker 1: you have to do is take a look at TikTok
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  Speaker 1: and it's right there for you to see. But there's
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  Speaker 1: big money in telling bullshit lies. and spreading salacious nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I should hop on that train. They have to
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  Speaker 1: see him. They have to listen to the details. It's
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  Speaker 1: more and more painful for the victim's families, added Kofendaffer.
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  Speaker 1: The former FBI special agent claimed Kohlberger's defense team are
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  Speaker 1: purposely using delay tactics to try and swing any advantage
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  Speaker 1: in their favor, including the possibility key witnesses could pass
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  Speaker 1: away if it stretches on years. Look, That is exactly
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  Speaker 1: what every single criminal defense lawyer tries to do. The
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  Speaker 1: problem is, there is so much to turn over from
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution that they actually have a leg to stand
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  Speaker 1: on here. They're not just bullshitting, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: information to go through. And all these people that want
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  Speaker 1: to rush to resolution, well, they'd be the first person
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  Speaker 1: to bitch and moan if Kohlberger won an appeal. So basically,
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution is damned if they do and damned if
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  Speaker 1: they don't, because so many people don't really understand the process.
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  Speaker 1: Or if they do understand the process, they just don't
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  Speaker 1: care because they want some more clicks for their website.
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  Speaker 1: But when you're dealing with something like this. you better
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  Speaker 1: be ready for the long haul. There's all these things
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  Speaker 1: that can happen when you delay, delay, delay, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: The defense knows this, and they will continue to delay,
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  Speaker 1: she continued. I guess Jennifer Coffendaffer doesn't have any Amber
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  Speaker 1: Alerts to chase after right now, huh? Amid the frustration,
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  Speaker 1: over the year-long process, without even a trial date, some
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  Speaker 1: were angered to see Moscow, Idaho, home where the murders
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  Speaker 1: took place, torn down in December. Yeah, that was a
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  Speaker 1: bad idea. No reason to tear down that house, in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, not yet. But here they are, tearing it down,
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  Speaker 1: giving Koberger a leg up. You see, here's the difference
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  Speaker 1: from me and a lot of these people. I'm interested
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  Speaker 1: in one thing. Justice. I really don't care about my
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  Speaker 1: podcast going viral. I'm not on social media. I don't
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  Speaker 1: get out there and advertise myself. I don't even advertise
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. So all that nonsense that you see with
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  Speaker 1: all of these people jockeying for social media likes, that
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  Speaker 1: shit is bizarre to me. And all I care about
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  Speaker 1: really is the person who's responsible, which looks like Brian Kohlberger,
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  Speaker 1: that that person faces justice. That's it. That's all. That's
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  Speaker 1: the whole entire goal. And in my opinion, tearing down
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  Speaker 1: that house does not further that goal. so the idea
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  Speaker 1: of tearing that house down before trial was always a
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  Speaker 1: bad one. Although both prosecution and the defense agreed for
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  Speaker 1: it to be torn down, the families argued against it.
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  Speaker 1: Kofendaffer argued that it should have remained standing until a
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  Speaker 1: conviction was found. It will always stand by the fact
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  Speaker 1: that the house could have held important information in the
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  Speaker 1: cracks and crevices, she added. The families of the victims
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  Speaker 1: pleaded for the home to remain standing with Gonsalves' family
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  Speaker 1: and saying the move would destroy one of the most
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  Speaker 1: critical pieces of evidence in the case. Yeah, I agree
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  Speaker 1: with that. What's so off about that? Seems legit to me.
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  Speaker 1: Why would you go out there and destroy the crime
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  Speaker 1: scene if it's not necessary? Prosecutors had pushed for a
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  Speaker 1: trial to be set this summer, but Koberger's defense attorney,
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  Speaker 1: Ann Taylor, argued that the trial needed to be delayed
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  Speaker 1: due to the huge amount of information surrounding it. Not
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  Speaker 1: only do we have a large amount of information, the
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  Speaker 1: way I'm getting it is completely disorganized, Taylor said in court.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like if you wanted to play 52-card pickup
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  Speaker 1: with 100,000 decks of cards and throw them in the
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  Speaker 1: air and I have to figure out how to put
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  Speaker 1: them together. At Wednesday's trial schedule hearing, one of the
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  Speaker 1: primary sticking points was the issue of Kohlberger's alibi on
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  Speaker 1: the night of the slayings. Yeah, you would think so.
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  Speaker 1: This fool says, I was out having a drive, huh? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I guess so. How you gonna prove that, buddy? You
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  Speaker 1: have anything that corroborates that nonsensical BS you're telling us? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you don't? Okay, so you don't really have an alibi, right?
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger has claimed he was out driving alone at the time,
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  Speaker 1: but he has refused to elaborate further as frustration builds
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  Speaker 1: over delays. In response, Judge John Judge set a deadline
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  Speaker 1: for of April 17th for his alibi to be established
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  Speaker 1: in court. Ms. Kofendaffer argued that the lack of any
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  Speaker 1: concrete alibi is another delay tactic by Kohlberger's team. I
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  Speaker 1: agree with her there. That's definitely a delay tactic, and
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  Speaker 1: the judge should slap it down. I know Judge Judge
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  Speaker 1: will likely be lenient to a degree, too, because this
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  Speaker 1: is a death penalty case, she added. Oh, you waited
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  Speaker 1: until basically the end of the article to talk about that, huh?
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  Speaker 1: That's the most important part. Remember, folks, keep that in mind.
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  Speaker 1: We're not talking about a basic assault here. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: about a death penalty case. So it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a different process. He doesn't want to be overturned in
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  Speaker 1: his rulings. And there are over 50 terabytes of information
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  Speaker 1: in the case. So the defense has all of that
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  Speaker 1: working on their side. And that's something I've talked about too.
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  Speaker 1: When they have all of this information, right? They have
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  Speaker 1: all of this evidence to go through. It's very important
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  Speaker 1: that they have the time to do that. That way,
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  Speaker 1: later on, we're not dealing with some bullshit where they're like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we didn't have a proper chance to defend
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  Speaker 1: our client. We didn't have all of the evidence. We
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  Speaker 1: didn't get the proper discovery. And then we're back at
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  Speaker 1: square one. You think there's a delay now? Well, let
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  Speaker 1: an appeal happen and let Brian Koberger get off on
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  Speaker 1: that appeal and we'll have a real delay going on.
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  Speaker 1: While not causing any delays, Koberger's hearings have also come
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  Speaker 1: under scrutiny for the seemingly lax security around the murder
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  Speaker 1: suspect as he continues to enter court in a full
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  Speaker 1: suit without handcuffs. Well, I get it, but let's remember
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  Speaker 1: he has not been convicted yet. It just really lacks
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  Speaker 1: proper security, Ms. Kofendaffer argued. He's in a suit and tie.
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  Speaker 1: His hair is trimmed. His eyebrows are trimmed. There's no
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  Speaker 1: security around him. Well, is it because he's groomed or
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  Speaker 1: because he has no security? Which ones you regret, Ms. Coffendaffer?
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  Speaker 1: Seems to me that the real problem here is that
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  Speaker 1: she feels that there's not enough security, but she wraps
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  Speaker 1: that up with the other stuff, the grooming, as if
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  Speaker 1: that matters. Should he just come to court with a
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  Speaker 1: unibrow and his hair all disheveled? I mean, come on,
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  Speaker 1: what do you expect he's going to do? She claimed
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  Speaker 1: that the lack of precaution is peculiar, especially when compared
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  Speaker 1: to others accused of similar crimes, such as the Delphi
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  Speaker 1: murder suspect, Richard Allen, being escorted by SWAT teams in
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  Speaker 1: full shackles to his hearings. Every state conducts itself different.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe there's no security threats to Brian Koberger up
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  Speaker 1: in Idaho, and maybe there are security threats to Richard
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  Speaker 1: Allen down in Indiana. We don't know. So I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to get too fired up about that one way
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  Speaker 1: or the other. I'll leave that up to the court
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  Speaker 1: officials to deal with security. The fuck do I know
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  Speaker 1: about security? So we'll let the court deal with that.
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  Speaker 1: And as far as this trial being delayed, I know
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  Speaker 1: it's not the outcome we were all looking for, but
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  Speaker 1: it certainly was something that was on the horizon. So
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  Speaker 1: until then, the band marches on. All right, folks, that's
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  Speaker 1: going to do it for this one. All of the
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