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Convicted Killer of Star Cyclist Tries to Avoid Paying Judgement: Victim's Family · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: The so called glam yoga teacher killer Caitlyn Armstrong has
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  Speaker 2: made an underhanded, sneaky move to avoid paying the family
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  Speaker 2: of her murder victim, world class cycling star Mariah Wilson,
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  Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars. Now the glam yoga teacher is hit
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  Speaker 2: with a new lawsuit. Who could forget the glam yoga
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  Speaker 2: teacher Kaitlyn Armstrong furious her boyfriend had a hamburger and
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  Speaker 2: went swimming with his former girlfriend, a world class dirt
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  Speaker 2: bike competitor, Moe Wilson.
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  Speaker 1: So what did she do? She murdered Moe.
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  Speaker 2: Shot her in cold blood after stalking her.
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  Speaker 1: She was convicted at trial.
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  Speaker 2: And oh yes, remember she went on the run, hiding
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  Speaker 2: out at a hostel in Costa Rica after getting a
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  Speaker 2: nose job, going under a different name. Yeah that one.
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  Speaker 2: Now another sneaky, underhanded move. Are you surprised? I Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories, Thanks for being with us. The
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  Speaker 2: jealous yoga teacher who murdered her younger love rival with
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  Speaker 2: a bullet through the heart literally quietly transferred all her
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  Speaker 2: property to relatives. Why to avoid compensating her victims family.
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  Speaker 2: According to a new lawsuit, the thirty six year old
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  Speaker 2: yoga teacher was sent us to ninety years behind bars
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  Speaker 2: for gunning down a Texas cycling superstar, Anna Mariah Moe Wilson, just.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty five, in a rage at Moe's.
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  Speaker 2: Friendship with Armstrong's cyclist boyfriend, Colin Strickland. In the last days,
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  Speaker 2: a judge ordered Caitlin Armstrong to pay Wilson's parents fifteen
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  Speaker 2: million dollars after they sued her for the wrongful death
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  Speaker 2: of their daughter. But a brand new lawsuit from the
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  Speaker 2: couple from the parents claims that most, if not all,
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  Speaker 2: of Armstrong's assets have already been passed to Armstrong's mother
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  Speaker 2: and sister, so most family gets nothing. Again, are you surprised?
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  Speaker 2: How did the whole thing start?
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  Speaker 1: Let's kick it off. Take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 1: at Fox seven.
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  Speaker 3: Police are investigating a suspicious death in East Austin. This
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  Speaker 3: happened on Maple Avenue near East seventeenth Street overnight. A
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  Speaker 3: woman called police saying she found her friend inside her
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  Speaker 3: house unresponsive and.
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  Speaker 1: There was blood near her.
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  Speaker 3: When officers arrived, they found the victim had gunshot wounds.
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  Speaker 3: It has provided life saving measures, but the woman later
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  Speaker 3: died from her injuries. Police do not know how long
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  Speaker 3: she was inside the home, but did call her death suspicious.
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  Speaker 3: It is unclear if a gun was found.
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  Speaker 1: On see suspicious man.
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  Speaker 2: They're saying pretty calm, multiple gunshot wounds. I would say, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's suspicious. I can go ahead and answer that for
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  Speaker 2: the cops. Take a listen now to our friend John
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  Speaker 2: crin Jack Fox seven tonight, we're.
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  Speaker 4: Learning the victim of a deadly shooting in East Austin
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  Speaker 4: earlier this week was a well known cyclist who is
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  Speaker 4: supposed to take part in a mountain bike race in
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  Speaker 4: the Hill Country today. Anna Wilson, better known by her
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  Speaker 4: middle name Mariah, was pronounced dead on Wednesday night at
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  Speaker 4: home on Maple Avenue near Eighteenth Street.
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  Speaker 1: Austin.
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  Speaker 4: Police were called there after a friend of Wilson's returned
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  Speaker 4: home to find the twenty five year old unconscious with
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  Speaker 4: gunshot wounds. APD has not believed the shooting was random.
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  Speaker 4: They're urging anyone with information or video of what happened
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  Speaker 4: to give.
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  Speaker 1: Them a call now.
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  Speaker 4: According to the cycling magazine Vello, Wilson was in Texas
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  Speaker 4: ahead of today's Gravel Low Cost race in Hiko, where
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  Speaker 4: she was a favorite. Win Bellow published a statement from
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  Speaker 4: her family saying she was quote always pushing tirelessly to
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  Speaker 4: reach her goals. We knew she was pursuing that which
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  Speaker 4: she loved, the family adding, we know Mariah would want
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  Speaker 4: the event to carry on.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when I hear the address Maple Avenue, that
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  Speaker 2: sounds straight out of a storybook. And from what I've learned,
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  Speaker 2: this is a pretty ritzy area there in Austin. Joining
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  Speaker 2: me an all star panel, But let me first go
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  Speaker 2: straight out to Tony Plahetski, longtime friend, colleague, investigative reporter
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  Speaker 2: with The Austin American Statesman and kV U E Twitter
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  Speaker 2: at t Plahetski. Tony, tell me about East Austin. I
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  Speaker 2: got the word gentrified from you. What do you mean
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  Speaker 2: by that? I mean Maple Avenue.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like it's out of a fable, a book.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds so peaceful and idyllic.
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  Speaker 2: To have somebody the number one female grap cyclist in
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  Speaker 2: the world gunned down dead and apartment doesn't fit with
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  Speaker 2: Maple Avenue well.
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  Speaker 5: So, over the years, this area of East Austin has
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  Speaker 5: truly been transformed.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, tony plohatsk. You just stop right there.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just call it like it is. It reminds
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  Speaker 2: me of when I moved to Atlanta and started prosecuting
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  Speaker 2: at Inner City Atlanta's Fulton District Attorney's office.
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  Speaker 1: I lived in Midtown, and at that.
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  Speaker 2: Time, every morning when I would come out of my apartment,
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  Speaker 2: I'd go to my car and there'd be gin bottles
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  Speaker 2: and pantyhose, syringes, rubbers, empty bottles of liquor, and pantyhose
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  Speaker 2: because hookers and attics would come up and down my
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  Speaker 2: alley where I lived to shoot up and conduct business.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just say then it went gentrified.
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  Speaker 2: People that wanted to live close to all the high
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  Speaker 2: rise skyscrapers and businesses downtown wanted to move there.
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  Speaker 1: They pump their money into it, fixed it all up.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody had laws and fancy apartments and fancy cars.
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  Speaker 1: I had to move. I couldn't afford it anymore. Is
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  Speaker 1: that what you're saying.
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  Speaker 5: That's exactly what I'm saying. It is a carbon copy
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  Speaker 5: of what you just described. And so this area where
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  Speaker 5: Mariah Wilson was murdered is now home to high ride
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  Speaker 5: apartments town homes that are very trendy. A lot of
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  Speaker 5: young people in our city live in this area who
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  Speaker 5: have moved to Austin from all over the country to
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  Speaker 5: work in tech, for example, and so it's really an
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  Speaker 5: area dominated increasingly by that population.
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  Speaker 1: I know what you mean.
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  Speaker 2: Gin bottles and pantyhose in the alley one day, then
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  Speaker 2: valet parking and high rises the next day.
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  Speaker 1: I get it.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm getting at is there's a very low crime
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  Speaker 2: rate on Maple Avenue. Take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 2: Carissa Lemoukel on Fox seven Surprise Everybody.
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  Speaker 6: East Austin resident Michael Harris is talking about what happened
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  Speaker 6: the night of May eleventh. Shocked to hear that a
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  Speaker 6: young prominent cyclist was shot and killed while staying in
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  Speaker 6: the house across the street.
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  Speaker 7: Lived here almost two years and I've never maybe seen
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  Speaker 7: two police calls passed by.
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  Speaker 8: This is where this neighborhood is.
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  Speaker 6: Twenty five year old Mariah Wilson was in Texas to
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  Speaker 6: compete in an upcoming race, coming off a win at
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  Speaker 6: the Belgian Waffle Ride in California.
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  Speaker 9: We all just marveled at, you know, just flit in
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  Speaker 9: a wonderful personality and a great athlete and an ambassador
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  Speaker 9: for our support, and then all of a sudden, how
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  Speaker 9: could this happen? And everyone's just sort of reeling from it.
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  Speaker 2: In addition to reporter Carissa, you're also hearing from the
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  Speaker 2: director of the Belgian Waffle Ride in California, Michael Marx.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone knew her and love her.
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  Speaker 2: Now when I hear gravel cycling, it's hard enough to
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  Speaker 2: race in sand to get your bike to go through.
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  Speaker 2: So why are you looking at me like that, Jackie?
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  Speaker 2: Are you imagining trying to ride a bike through.
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  Speaker 1: Sand much less gravel? Tell me about this. What is is,
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  Speaker 1: Tony Plahetsky.
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  Speaker 5: It's an endurance sport. I mean it is where the yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean really really a very competitive sport across the country,
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  Speaker 5: really across the world. And Mariah Wilson, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 5: was a star in that world. She had already a
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  Speaker 5: mass a certain amount of acclaim, but she was really
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  Speaker 5: on her way. Even her competitors, her most fierce competitors,
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  Speaker 5: admired her and her stamina, her just natural born athleticism,
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  Speaker 5: but also nancy her personality. I mean, when they talk
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  Speaker 5: about her, they actually don't lead with the fact that
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  Speaker 5: she was this amazing athlete they lead with talking about
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  Speaker 5: her kindness and her spirit.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Mariah Wilson cut down, murdered in the prime of her life,
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  Speaker 2: a world class cyclist. She had once dated Colin Strickland,
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  Speaker 2: but it was over. When she was in town to
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  Speaker 2: compete again, the two went swimming and had a.
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  Speaker 1: Hamburger and she gets shot dead for that.
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  Speaker 2: Mariah's parents, Eric and Karen sought one million dollars compensation
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  Speaker 2: for funeral expenses, loss of society, companionship, and the pain
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  Speaker 2: and suffering and anguish her daughter suffered at the time
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  Speaker 2: of her murder. So what does Caitlin Armstrong do? Secretly
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  Speaker 2: transfers all of her money, all of her assets, vehicles,
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  Speaker 2: everything to her mom and sister to avoid paying the
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  Speaker 2: victim's family.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe this woman. Back to the facts.
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Moregun the host of a hit new series
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  Speaker 2: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Moregun on iHeart Joe Scott
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  Speaker 2: just right off the bat. This woman, I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you she's in a single dwelling apartment, she's unarmed, and
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  Speaker 2: she's shot multiple times.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have any evidence of rape or burglary. So
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  Speaker 2: why is somebody coming into this apartment if there was
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  Speaker 2: in fact break in and gutting her down multiple times?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah. One of the things that kind of interests me
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  Speaker 10: is that when she was found, she was not found
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  Speaker 10: in like the foyer. She wasn't found at the entrance.
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  Speaker 10: She was actually found in the bathroom, which gives me
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  Speaker 10: an indication that unless there is an obvious sign that
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  Speaker 10: someone kicked in the door or you know, pried open
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  Speaker 10: a window or maybe entered through a back door, even
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  Speaker 10: if there was a back door, that this may have
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  Speaker 10: been a location of retreat, you know, when people are
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  Speaker 10: being attacked.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't can I just ask you out of curiosity?
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  Speaker 2: Everything you said, I'm down with that, But why don't
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  Speaker 2: you just say she was in the bathroom?
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  Speaker 1: Makes me think she ran ran from her attacker and
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  Speaker 1: hid in the bathroom.
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  Speaker 10: Well, because I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, does it ever dawn on you just talk like
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  Speaker 1: the rest of us.
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  Speaker 2: No, Okay, go ahead, I respect that.
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  Speaker 10: No, it just it just grassed me. You know, the
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  Speaker 10: moment that I read this and heard it. You know
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  Speaker 10: the fact that she was in the bathroom. You know,
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  Speaker 10: who feels comfortable with entering the bathroom with someone else.
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  Speaker 10: Maybe she's retreated to that point, maybe she was forced
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  Speaker 10: in there. You know, when you know one of the
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  Speaker 10: things like if you have bad weather, people tell you
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  Speaker 10: to retreat to the bathroom is generally the most secure
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  Speaker 10: area in the house, if you don't have a basement
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  Speaker 10: or something, and it could be an area where sound
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  Speaker 10: is muffled. For instance, because Nancy when they found her,
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  Speaker 10: her body is bloodsoaked and there are and this is
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  Speaker 10: very key, there are multiple spent shell casings laying about
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  Speaker 10: her body in this approximate area as well.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, stop right there, she's in the bathroom. You think
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  Speaker 2: there's a very good chance she ran to the bathroom.
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  Speaker 2: I agree on multiple spent shell casings around her. That
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  Speaker 2: tells me this is not a pro because you would
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  Speaker 2: take the time to pick them up. Shell Nutt with me.
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  Speaker 2: Also James shell Nutt twenty seven years a Metro major
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  Speaker 2: case also swap now lawyer with a shell Nutt firm
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  Speaker 2: on Twitter at shell nut Law Firm. Right there, we
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  Speaker 2: know it's someone that's not a pro because the pro
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  Speaker 2: after the killing would pick up the shell casings because they,
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  Speaker 2: just like a bullet, can be matched back like a
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  Speaker 2: fingerprint to the weapon, because once you get, if you
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  Speaker 2: ever get the murder weapon, when the shell comes out,
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  Speaker 2: there is an ejector mark the shell. Although it may
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  Speaker 2: not hurl down, the barrel is ejected.
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  Speaker 1: Think of an ejection seat in a plane.
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  Speaker 2: The shell is ejected out and the force of leaving
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  Speaker 2: the weapon leaves a mark on the shell unlike any
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  Speaker 2: other marking from any other gun on a shell.
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  Speaker 1: Agree, disagree, shall not agree?
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  Speaker 8: One hundred and what that allows you to do is
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  Speaker 8: to go back and do further investigation to see if
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  Speaker 8: a person that you suspect being involved in a crime
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  Speaker 8: had access to a weapon that would leave that type
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  Speaker 8: of strike mark on the showcase.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, take a listen to our cut fifteen, Our cut
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  Speaker 2: fifteen from crime Online.
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  Speaker 1: Why is Mariah also known as Moe in Texas to race? Listen?
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  Speaker 11: Anna Moe Wilson was in Texas to race the Gravel
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  Speaker 11: Locos competition was a one hundred and fifty mile race
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  Speaker 11: in a discipline that blends mountain biking and road cycling.
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  Speaker 11: It's a profession new to Wilson. She had recently quit
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  Speaker 11: her job with the mic company specialized to focus on
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  Speaker 11: cycling full time. Wilson had won ten off road races
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  Speaker 11: this year, including an eighty kilometer race at the Sea
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  Speaker 11: Otter Classic, a cycling festival in Monterey, California.
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  Speaker 2: So she was there strictly for business. Back to you,
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  Speaker 2: Tony Plhetsky, where was she staying? Whose apartment?
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  Speaker 1: Was this?
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  Speaker 5: A friend, a longtime friend who who does live in Austin,
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  Speaker 5: And that friend had actually picked her up at the
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  Speaker 5: airport and given her a special code and access code
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  Speaker 5: to her apartment so that she could go and come
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  Speaker 5: as she pleased. And so that's what Mariah Wilson had done.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there are other things that she had been
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  Speaker 5: doing out on the town while she had been here
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  Speaker 5: just a couple of days actually, by the time that
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  Speaker 5: she had been found in.
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  Speaker 2: Just a couple of days in Austin. And now she's dead.
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  Speaker 2: With me, Tony Plhetski is joining as Tony with the
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  Speaker 2: Austin American Statesman. I'm glad you mentioned that code, that
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  Speaker 2: special access code. Take a listen to hour cut seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: Our friends at crime online dot Com.
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  Speaker 11: At first, suspecting a robbery, police in cash check the home.
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  Speaker 11: The only thing missing was Anna Wilson's specialized s works bicycle.
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  Speaker 11: As officers checked the area, Wilson's bicycle was found around
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  Speaker 11: sixty eight feet south of Cash's home, hidden in thick bamboo.
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  Speaker 11: The investigation quickly turned from interrupted robbery to homicide as
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  Speaker 11: Cash explained that she has specialized electronic locks on her
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  Speaker 11: door that unlocked by using a unique code. Cash It
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  Speaker 11: provided Wilson with a new code, with Cash getting a
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  Speaker 11: phone notification when the door is either locked or unlocked.
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  Speaker 11: At eight thirty six pm, Wilson came home.
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  Speaker 2: You know that's very very interesting. Let me go to
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  Speaker 2: another special guest joining us. It is Runya Mancarius CEO
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stoppers of Houston, author of the online world What
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  Speaker 2: You Think you Know and What You Don't. You can
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  Speaker 2: find her at ruanyamncurius dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Runya, thank you for being with us so very.
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  Speaker 2: Much and for all of your hard work with Crime
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  Speaker 2: Stoppers of Houston.
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  Speaker 1: Runya. When I was writing.
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  Speaker 2: Don't Be a Victim, I researched about how you, of course,
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  Speaker 2: should always change your code on everything You've got, your iPad,
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  Speaker 2: your cell phone, you're recording your home answering machine if
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  Speaker 2: you have one, your code in and out of your home,
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  Speaker 2: your gate code, everything.
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  Speaker 1: Don't leave it on a factory set because you can
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  Speaker 1: look that up online, and.
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  Speaker 2: Predators do look it up online to find out what
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  Speaker 2: the factory setting is. And most of the world, believe
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  Speaker 2: it or not, that has a code. If any type
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  Speaker 2: puts in one two three four or one one one
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  Speaker 2: one or two two two two, it's very very simple
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  Speaker 2: to crack that code. That's when I learned researching for
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  Speaker 2: Don't Be a victim, that you can have your code
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  Speaker 2: to get into your apartment like this friend had, and
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  Speaker 2: then you can give visitors their own code so you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to x out your code every time you
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  Speaker 2: have a visitor and they leave and come up with
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  Speaker 2: a new.
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  Speaker 1: One, which I think is really really smart. When you
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  Speaker 1: have visitors, you sign them.
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  Speaker 2: A different code that works with your system. That sounds
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  Speaker 2: like what happened here, Ronya, Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: And I agreed, And that sounds like what Caitlin Cash did.
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  Speaker 12: She assigned Mariah her own unique code and has since
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  Speaker 12: said that she's erased that code and has changed her code.
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  Speaker 12: But she was doing everything she could to keep herself
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  Speaker 12: safe and to keep her guests faithe But that move,
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  Speaker 12: that very smart move, really is helping law enforcement in
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  Speaker 12: this case, and it's something we advise all people to
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  Speaker 12: do with. We embrace technology and we look to have
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  Speaker 12: smart homes and smart technology in our homes. We want
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  Speaker 12: people to utilize this in a way that keeps them safe.
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  Speaker 2: So let's get right down to it to doctor Sherry
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  Speaker 2: Schwartz joining me, forensic psychologist specializing and capital mitigation. She's
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  Speaker 2: the author of Criminal Behavior and we're a law in
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  Speaker 2: psychology intersect.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, thank.
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  Speaker 2: You for joining us from Miami Beach today, Doctor Sherry.
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  Speaker 1: That's when you feel at home.
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  Speaker 2: You feel at home when you go into a secure
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  Speaker 2: apartment that you can only get in with a special
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  Speaker 2: code devised for you. Why am I saying this? Who
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  Speaker 2: would have had that code? Who could have figured out
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  Speaker 2: that code? Or could the perp have somehow gotten in
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  Speaker 2: behind her? Did she not lock the door when she
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  Speaker 2: went in? And following up on what Joe Scott Morgan
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  Speaker 2: said that it seems as if the victim, this world class,
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  Speaker 2: gorgeous twenty five year old cyclist, had retreated to the bathroom,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe she was just in the bathroom, but I
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  Speaker 2: know her defenses were down. Doctor Sherry she thought she
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  Speaker 2: was safe.
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  Speaker 5: Correct she walked through the door.
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  Speaker 13: I mean maybe she did forget to lock it or
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  Speaker 13: didn't maybe thought it was locked. It's a new environment
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  Speaker 13: for her. She's a guest at this location, so maybe
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  Speaker 13: she didn't think about how to lock the door, maybe
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  Speaker 13: thought it locked automatically behind her. But you're right, she
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  Speaker 13: probably felt very safe and secure headed to use the restroom,
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  Speaker 13: like many of us do when we first get home.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: So this is nothing unusual.
• 20:08
  Speaker 10: And if I.
• 20:08
  Speaker 13: Feel safe and secure in a location, I'm not necessarily
• 20:12
  Speaker 13: going to be hypervigilant looking for someone, especially if I'm
• 20:15
  Speaker 13: at home looking for someone who's going to be coming
• 20:18
  Speaker 13: in behind again.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Mo Mariah Wilson was a rising star in gravel and
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: dirt cycling, and she dated Colin Strickland after he had
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: broken up with Kitlin Armstrong, the yoga teacher, and their
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: relationship continued as a friendship after he got back together
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: with Armstrong. So that May, Wilson went to Austin for
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a race and she met up with Strickland for supper.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Kaitlin Armstrong followed.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Them to the restaurant and her black jeep was caught
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: on surveillance videos circling.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Round and round the block. What more did the facts
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: tell us?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, Tony Plhetski joining me from the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Austin American Statesman. Tony, it doesn't sound like there was
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: a struggle. I wonder if the person had secret to
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: themselves in the home, if they followed in behind her,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: if she didn't lock the door, if she didn't.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Use the code.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: But I don't hear anything about a struggle ensuing any
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: evidence of a struggle. It sounds like Mariah was just shot,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: stone cold dead.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right, in a pool of blood on the floor.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: And so that is how her friend Caitlin found her,
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: and that is how the police found her when they arrived.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Guys, take a listen to our cut sixteen, because I'm
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out what happened. Where was this friend
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: whose apartment she was using, staying there with the friend
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: who was it and what happened in the hours leading
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: up to this world class cyclist murder.
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: Fred Caitlyn Cash picked up Wilson at the airport. Wilson
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: was to stay at Cash's home until the race. The
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: next day, Cash received a text from Wilson saying that
• 22:07
  Speaker 11: she was meeting a friend named Colin to go swimming
• 22:10
  Speaker 11: that afternoon. Around five point thirty, as Cash left to
• 22:13
  Speaker 11: go meet friends for dinner, she noticed Wilson's large bicycle
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: travel bag outside the front door on the elevated port.
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: Cashays she told Wilson to move the bag inside so
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: it wouldn't be stolen. But when Cash came home from dinner,
• 22:27
  Speaker 11: the large bicycle travel bag was at the bottom of
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: the stairs, partially blocking the car port. As she went inside,
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: the front door was unlocked and Wilson was lying on
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: the bathroom floor covered in blood.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, Tony Plahatski joining me, Austin American statesment, I just
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: learned a lot. So this is a friend Caitlin Cash,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: that picks her up at the airport, offers her apartment
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: up for her to stay, and she was going to
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: stay there until the race. The next day. She was
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: meeting somebody to go swimming. But listen to this part.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: She noticed the travel bag outside in the front door,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: on the front door, on an elevated porch. She told, now,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: first of all, to me, that rules out the friend
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: who would be your first suspect, because she's already had
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: a chance to kill her when she speak up from
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the airport.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Also, it's usually not the killer that calls nine one one. Okay,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: just let's start with that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: But she comes back, she tells her, move your big
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: bag with all your gear inside so nobody steals it.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: So that tells me.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: While you're telling me this is a gentrified neighborhood, there
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: still could be somebody that would.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Come along and burgle or steal. I learned that. I
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: also learn that the door was unlocked. The front door
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: was unlocked. No jimmy ing.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: The door, no primarks, no forced entry, the door was unlocked,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: which leads me to think the victim, Mariah Wilson, in
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: suspecting nothing and didn't lock the door.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that that is possible.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: The other possibility that we really haven't talked about here, though, Nancy,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: is whether or not Mariah Wilson may have known the person,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: maybe saw someone outside that she that was known to her.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Let's go in and talk. Could that have happened here?
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: Could someone have come to the door right behind her
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: that she knew. I think that is an interesting possibility
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, guys, take a listen. Now, we finally
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: get a tiny break in the case. Our cut eighteen
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: from Crime Online.
• 24:38
  Speaker 11: Detectives turned to video as they discover a surveillance camera
• 24:42
  Speaker 11: mounted on the exterior of a home nearby. The camera
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: face the driveway next to cash Is home. The footage
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: showed a dark colored suv drive past at eight thirty
• 24:53
  Speaker 11: seven pm, that's one minute after Wilson entered Cash's home.
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: The suv slowed down a period to come to a
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: stomp directly next to Cash's residence. The suv had a
• 25:04
  Speaker 11: large bicycle rack mounted on the trailer gitch of the vehicle,
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: a luggage rack mounted on the roof, and chrome around
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: the windows. No other vehicles were seen on video surveillance
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: until emergency vehicles arrived.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, what did we ever do, James shell Knott before
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: video surveillance, ring doorbells, the works.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: So tell me the significance, because in my.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Mind it's going to be tough to explain that this
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: black suv was on the scene one minute before.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's pretty significant information. I mean, now
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: you've got a potential suspect vehicle identified, and if you
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: can tie that to someone who may have a reason
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: to have hurt Mode then at that point you've got something,
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: you're going to want to go back and look and say, okay,
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: what are the usual suspects? You know, the usual suspects
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: promotive in murder case is when you don't know who
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: did it, you're always going to want to look at money,
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: sex and revenge and can you tie that vehicle to
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: someone who would have had one of those motives?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm curious to Ronya man Carry is joining
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: me with Crime Stoppers of Houston and author The art
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of identifying a vehicle is very, very sophisticated. Every year
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to two years, car manufacturers change subtle portions of the
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: make and model. For instance, they may change the tail light.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: They may turn it from two tail light pains to three,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: or they may slant it, or they may change something
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: about the bumper or the wheels. I mean it changes
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: every couple of years. They don't keep the same exact
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: model for a reason. So there are people and car
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: car theft, stolen cars. Just like there's a homicide squad,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: there's car theft squad.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: There's a burglary squad.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: There is a crimes on children, a crime on women's squad.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: There's a white collar crime squad. So these guys and
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: women in car theft, they know all of this, and
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: if they can get a look at the make and model,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: they can tell you the year.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: If they can even get a partial.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Tag, they can find out who that belongs to fairly quickly.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Would you agree, run ya?
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Absolutely?
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: I agree, And then let's just see we kind of
• 27:46
  Speaker 12: brushed over the fact that a local camera on an
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: exterior of a neighbor's building really costs the video. That's
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: critical because to your point, cars are changing constantly. People,
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: you have eyewitnesses to the scene that will be able
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: to say I think it was a black vehicle. I
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: think it was a jeep that I'm not sure, but
• 28:03
  Speaker 12: that video surveillance, even if it's just a tail light,
• 28:06
  Speaker 12: gives law enforcement so much information, including potentially the tag,
• 28:11
  Speaker 12: and that's what we had in this case, and that
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: was what was absolutely critical in identifying the suspect moving forward.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut eleven. Our friends at CBS.
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: Although she wasn't from Austin, those right here in Central
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: Texas have been shocked at her death.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I think it's a bad tragedy.
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: Michael Harris lives just across the street from where Anna
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: Maria Wilson lost her life. Those who knew her best
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: called her mob According to an AFFI, David, Wilson was
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: staying with a friend while preparing for a bicycling race.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: She was lasting a live on surveillance video being dropped
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: off at the home by a local professional cyclist, Colin Strickland,
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: who never went inside.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: It's really required over here. We never had this.
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: Happen before, APD says during the investigation, sir veillance video
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: showed a black, deep grand Cherokee. He drove past the
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: house just one minute after Wilson went inside.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, right there, we're getting somebody else ruled out. We
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: know that she had gone.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Swimming that day, earlier in the day with somebody named
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Colin Strickland. But did I hear this correctly, Tony Ploheitski
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: that the surveillance video shows Strickland.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Bringing her home, never going in and leaving. Correct.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: That is exactly right.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And Strickland was not driving a black suv.
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: He was not.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: He was, as a matter of fact, on his motorcycle.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, well that clears that up. So who is
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: in the black suv? Take a listen to our cut
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: nine our friends at Fox seven.
• 29:41
  Speaker 14: Armstrong's car was seen on surveillance video at Wilson's friend's home.
• 29:45
  Speaker 14: Wilson's friend later came home to find Wilson with multiple
• 29:48
  Speaker 14: gunshot wounds. We went to the home where the crime
• 29:52
  Speaker 14: happened and the address listed for Armstrong and Strickland. No response.
• 29:57
  Speaker 14: We tried calling Strickland as well.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Sorry, the person.
• 30:01
  Speaker 13: We're trying to reach has a BlueMail box but has
• 30:03
  Speaker 13: not been set up yet.
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: All this leaving the cycling community in mourning.
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: It's so incredibly painful for such a tight knit community
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: and people.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: You've raced with, celebrated with, no like fridden so many.
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: Miles with to be faced with this.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Horrific tragedy, and really my reaction is just pain and heartbreaking.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we've rolled out Colin Strickland, who dropped off
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: on a motorcycle?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Who Tony Plahetski is Armstrong.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Armstrong is Colin Strickland's girlfriend of three years and they
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: lived together here in Austin and actually operate a business
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: together in the Austin area.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Caitlin Marie Armstrong, age thirty four, is the living girlfriend
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: of Colin Strickland. Colin Strickland is who Mariah went swimming with.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Exactly right. Mariah and Colin Strickland had gone to a
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: well known pool community pool in Austin called De Betty
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: and went swimming together and then picked up a couple
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: of burgers at a nearby popular spot and then as
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: we know, he dropped her off back at the apartment
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: on his motorcycles.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm trying to take in everything that you just said.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut ten Angela Shan Fox seven.
• 31:30
  Speaker 14: The search is on for Kaitlin Armstrong. Officials are asking
• 31:34
  Speaker 14: for the public's help and finding her. According to the
• 31:36
  Speaker 14: core of paperwork, an anonymous caller had called police saying
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: Armstrong said she wanted to kill Wilson after finding out
• 31:43
  Speaker 14: she was involved with her boyfriend. Now the affidavit says
• 31:46
  Speaker 14: the night of the murder, Wilson went for a swim
• 31:49
  Speaker 14: with Colin Strickland, another cyclist. After that he dropped her
• 31:52
  Speaker 14: off at her friend's house. Wilson was visiting from California
• 31:56
  Speaker 14: and was in Austin ahead of a race in Hiko.
• 31:59
  Speaker 14: The paperwork he says Strickland and Kaitlyn Armstrong were in
• 32:02
  Speaker 14: a relationship before briefly ending it for a couple of
• 32:05
  Speaker 14: weeks last year. At that time, he was involved with Wilson.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace and let's not forget this
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: is evidence of guilt flight. Armstrong fled to Costa Rica
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: using her sister's passport, a dye, her hair, had plastic surgery,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: a nose job, and a brow lift before she was
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: found at a youth hostel teaching yoga surfing. Now, the
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: lawsuit filed by the family was filed on the heels
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: of a TV movie called Yoga Teacher Killer, The Caitlyn
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Armstrong Story at Aird on Lifetime, and the family lost
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: their lawsuit against Armstrong out of fear that she would
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: be cashing in on her notoriety. The family stated that
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the lawsuit was about getting a judgment, so if she
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: gets a movie deal, a book deal, a TV deal,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: money's flowing into her account. The judgment would keep her
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: from basically getting blood money. After the murder of their daughter,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Mariah Listening, lawsuit claims Caitlin Armstrong already transferred her steak
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: in three properties to her family to try to avoid
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: paying for her crime. Two properties in Austin were reportedly
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: transferred to her mother or sister before they were sold,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: while her steak in a third that she co owned
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: with the boyfriend was transferred to her sister, Christine Armstrong,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: before being gifted back to Colin Strickland. Oh what a
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: tangled web we weave when first we practiced too to see?
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: What more do we know?
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I understand Mariah was not in a love relationship a
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: sex relationship with Colin Strickland.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Explain this love triangle.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: So Mariah and Colin Strickland did have a relationship months
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: ago while he was apparently broken up with Kristen Armstrong.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: That is what he tells the police. Colin reports that
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: he and Armstrong were broken up and that he did
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: have a brief relationship with Mariah Wilson. However, since that time,
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: according to him and what he told police, is that
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: they had been friends.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Can you say relationship?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about a love relationship a sex relationship?
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: I mean it was made, from my understanding, a romantic relationship.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: I mean that is the way that it has been described.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let me understand this.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: When Colin Strickland was broken up with Kaitlin Armstrong, he
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: had a love relationship with Mariah Wilson, the cycling star, right,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: that's right, and then they called it off and he
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: got back with Kaitlin Armstrong.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: That is correct?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, go from there.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: And so over time, over the past several months, Mariah
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: and Strickland did maintain contact and apparently their relationship transitioned
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: more into platonic, more into friendship. But at the same time,
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Kaitlyn Armstrong discovered this relationship and was able to learn
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: more vote from Colin Strickland himself and also apparently looking
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: at a cell phone, learned more about his ongoing friendship
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: with Mariah Wilson and did not like it. And so
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: that is what he told police as part of a
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: very lengthy interview.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, even though they were platonic, she still didn't
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: like it.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: That's exactly that exact is the understanding.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my goodness, you know the first thing I
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: would do, run ya man, carry us joining us from
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: crime stoppers Houston.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I would get all of Caitlin.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Armstrong aged thirty four cell phone records and if she's
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: got a landline.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: And I would find out how.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Many times she had been checking her boyfriend's messages. And
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: cell phone messages. I would want to find out how
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: she hacked into his email everything I could prove digitally
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: to see how long she had been doing a slow
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: burn over her boyfriend, Colin Strickland's relationship now platonic with
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Mariah the cyclist Star.
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: Well, it looks like that's what they've been doing, and
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: they've uncovered that Colin and Mariah had been exchanging text
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: and phone calls, although he changed Mariah's name on his
• 37:20
  Speaker 12: phone to not infuriate his girlfriend, but she discovered it
• 37:25
  Speaker 12: and she started calling Mariah incessantly. Mariah blocked the number,
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: started following her on Instagram and following her on what
• 37:35
  Speaker 12: we understand to be Strava, a fitness app, to determine
• 37:39
  Speaker 12: her whereabouts so we can see Caitlin's actions. That's going, Oh.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, Waite White, White, what did you say about
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: an app?
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: It's called Strava or Strava, and it basically allows a
• 37:50
  Speaker 12: cyclist to check in and show his or her followers,
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: you know, the point of departure for a bike ride
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: and then the point of return. And apparently you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: Wilson had had pinged her location to the home of
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: Caitlin Cash as a start of the bike ride and
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: as a point of where she returned. And that's where
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: we believe our son learned.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Of Wilson's whereabouts.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: So she would like chart her her bike courses online
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: so her followers can know where she was riding.
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: And it's very common, you know, given technology today, a
• 38:29
  Speaker 12: lot of us live our daily lives sharing our exact
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: whereabouts in real time with this community and network of
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: people who follow us. That's a big thing that I
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: talk about in terms of how dangerous that that really
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: is and really can be.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: So dangerous, absolutely, and that is one of the things
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: that so many people have commented upon. I mean, when
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: you look at Armstrong, it is her public image and
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: even her image among people who knew her fans and
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: start contrast to what she is now accused of doing.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: She is described as successful, accomplished in her own right
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: in the world of business. She was a yoga instructor
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: for several years in Bali, and so.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: People you mean Caitlyn Armstrong, and so people are so
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: she was a yogi.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: She was, and Bali no less, and so people are
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: trying to reconcile that image of her based on what
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: police are saying she did.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at the video and there's no doubt about it.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: You see Armstrong's black suv going back and forth. It's
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: a jeep Cherokee driving around outside the home.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: She's just circling it like a vulture.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: The cars again spotted that night after the I guess
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: the love object. Collin Strickland drops off the victim twenty
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: five year old, and Wilson and his yogi girlfriend just
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: couldn't stand it. Yoga teacher Caitlin Armstrong could not stand it.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Doctor Sherry Schwartz helped me a love triangle. I mean,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: if you got a guy that's cheating on you, who
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: wants him anyway, I would send him straight to our
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: house cod cash on delivery and don't send him back
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: no returns.
• 40:26
  Speaker 13: Absolutely, I agree one hundred percent, Nancy. But clearly it
• 40:32
  Speaker 13: seems that Caitlyn suffers from this obsessive, pathological, toxic jealousy
• 40:38
  Speaker 13: that led to violence.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Again, jo Scott Morgan, how are they processing the scene?
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: How are we going to prove that it is in
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: fact the yoga loving girlfriend Caitlyn Armstrong.
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: Well, I'm glad you asked that question, because Austin the
• 40:53
  Speaker 10: Austin PD actually served a warrant. Let's go back to
• 40:56
  Speaker 10: where she was domsold with Strickland and this is what
• 40:59
  Speaker 10: the found out. They actually recovered two pistols at that scene,
• 41:06
  Speaker 10: one in which was a six hour nine millimeter. Guess
• 41:09
  Speaker 10: who had access to it? Only Armstrong, that's it. And
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: guess what else they did. They took this weapon and
• 41:15
  Speaker 10: they test fired it. And when they test fired it,
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: it came back. There is a high probability that those
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: ejected shells that they found at the scene match this
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: particular weapon. What kind of strikes me is baffling to
• 41:27
  Speaker 10: me is that they actually this individual left this weapon
• 41:32
  Speaker 10: where it could be recovered. I don't know what that
• 41:34
  Speaker 10: actually says about this individual, but it tells me she
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: didn't make any effort to try to take it and
• 41:40
  Speaker 10: throw it in a river.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Tells me she was highly emotional at the time and
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: not thinking correctly.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: That is not insanity under the law.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: The stalking, the leaving, the hiding out, the going on
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the run shows she knew what she did was wrong
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: and for what.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: And I can tell you another thing.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Asked if you're a boyfriend or a husband, is hiding
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: somebody's name and their cell phone out.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: There's a reason he's hiding it.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: There is a reason I've checked my husband's cell phone
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: so many times.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: My eyes bled. It was so boring I quit.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Also, he lied, didn't he lie? Tony Platts give out
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: where he was going that day? He's going to a
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: big municipal pool. Anybody can see them the deep Eddy,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: It's not like a watering hole. It's a big municipal pool.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Anybody could see him there. Why did he have to
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: lie about it, Tony?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Or did he?
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: Well? He lied? According to his text messages to Armstrong,
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: he lied to her about where he was. He described
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: his battery dying, that he had delivered flowers to someone
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: and then his old battery died.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I know Mariah's family is suing Caitlin Armstrong, but I
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: don't care how many millions of dollars they may ever get.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Didn't give it all away to have Mo back with them.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfals. Goodbye friend,