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Speaker 1: We just never lost it in Vegas and that's a
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Speaker 1: bottom line.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, welcome to the post Super Bowl NFL Report,
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Speaker 2: White and my co pilot James Oliver. And that sound
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Speaker 2: you heard was Titan Travis Kelcey last June at a
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Speaker 2: golf tournament in Hawaii that I hope MC for Patrick
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Speaker 2: Mahomes Foundation. He made it abundantly clear we don't lose
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Speaker 2: in Vegas, JP, and we saw Sunday they sure as
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Speaker 2: hell do.
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Speaker 1: They do not, Steve. We have a slam Pak show today.
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Speaker 3: We have Nate Taylor from the Athletic for the chief
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Speaker 3: side of things. We have Matt Moyoko from NBC Bay
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Speaker 3: Area on the forty nine ers thing. Ian Rappaport's gonna
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Speaker 3: break down what it might take to move up to
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Speaker 3: number one and get that spot from the Chicago Bears.
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Speaker 3: But we're gonna start with bigger news and the guy
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Speaker 3: of the hour, Patrick Mahomes. I had to ask Brett Veach,
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Speaker 3: the general manager on the field in Las Vegas, you
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Speaker 3: thought he was the best player on the planet when
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Speaker 3: you evaluated and moved up to trade for him.
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Speaker 1: Now what's your evaluation, Prett? No different?
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Speaker 4: I've got you know, I kind of thought, if you
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Speaker 4: just tell him a field goal, how we'll find a way.
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Speaker 4: And I am not surprised at all. In fact, there
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Speaker 4: was an air of confidence, you know, in our in
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Speaker 4: our stands, we were sitting, you know, once I hit
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Speaker 4: the field gold, all kind.
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Speaker 5: Of all center.
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna win the same we're gonna win the state.
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Speaker 4: Because that's how good Pat is, and that's how much
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Speaker 4: your faith and trust we have in him. So you
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Speaker 4: know he's the best. And you know when you play
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Speaker 4: a teacher about score touchdowns, man, you can't be fall
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Speaker 4: in fifteen ten. It's came over.
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Speaker 6: He did not live, He did not tell a lot
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Speaker 6: right there. Absolutely r JP.
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Speaker 2: Let's get to bigger news, man, because it is absolutely
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Speaker 2: that time.
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Speaker 6: So the bigger news.
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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes doing it again, winning his third Super Bowl
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Speaker 2: and third Super Bowl MVP or that great chief defense
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Speaker 2: limiting Niners receivers George Kittle, Brandon Aiyuk and Deebo Samuel
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Speaker 2: to a total of zero touchdowns, eighty six yards and
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Speaker 2: eight catches.
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Speaker 3: This is tough, and I want to talk to defense,
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Speaker 3: and I hope you give me the opportunity to, but
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Speaker 3: I have to say it's Patrick Mahomes. I mean we
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Speaker 3: are entering rarefied air now. As at twenty eight years old,
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Speaker 3: he already has the third most postseason wins of all time,
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Speaker 3: only behind Tom Brady and Joe Montana. And what he
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Speaker 3: was able to do late in this game, and I
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Speaker 3: want to specifically talk about what he did with his legs.
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Speaker 3: I had a conversation with David Gardi, their quarterback coach,
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Speaker 3: on the field after the game, and he told me
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Speaker 3: we were very calm heading into that overtime. Our conversation
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Speaker 3: on the sideline was this, if they keep sinking back, Steve,
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Speaker 3: take the underneath stuff and use your legs. And you're
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Speaker 3: seeing him do it again right here. Their faith in
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Speaker 3: him as a runner is much more than probably people think.
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Speaker 3: And when I've talked to his personal people around him
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Speaker 3: that worked with him, they believe that The Chiefs think
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Speaker 3: he can take hits like a running back. He can
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Speaker 3: move just as well as anybody else in the field.
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Speaker 3: They put in work so he knows who and where
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Speaker 3: he can go on the field, who we can run around.
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Speaker 3: It's just every added element he has to make him
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Speaker 3: the best player on the field when things aren't even
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Speaker 3: going right, just makes him all the more unstoppable and
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Speaker 3: adding that element in the fourth quarter, just you knew
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Speaker 3: once he took the field, just like Brett Veach told us,
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Speaker 3: they kicked a field goal, Mahomes is going to go
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Speaker 3: down there and get a touchdown and in a Super
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Speaker 3: Bowl against a team as.
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Speaker 1: Good as a Niner. Steve.
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Speaker 3: To have that thought while we're sitting next to each
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Speaker 3: other in the press box is remarkable.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, just like, Okay, he's got this. They're really going
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Speaker 6: to do this for us.
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Speaker 2: We were talking to Matt Mayoko of NBC Bay Areas
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Speaker 2: Sports a little bit more about that, but it's obviously
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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes.
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Speaker 6: Like you said, we're watching history right now.
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Speaker 2: We're seeing Tom Brady and Peyton Manning with the ability
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Speaker 2: to run, and we saw some of these quarterbacks, especially
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Speaker 2: in crunch time, think they've got to make the spectacle
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Speaker 2: played to win the ball game. He's like, no, I'm
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Speaker 2: seeing Travis Kelcey getting manned up against Fred Warner, one
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Speaker 2: of the best linebackers in the NFL. We're gonna hit
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Speaker 2: him on a crossing route because Kelsey has his body
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Speaker 2: towards him and he's got the speed on him. So
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Speaker 2: let's just go ahead and make that work. We're seeing
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Speaker 2: highlights here of rashe Rice, but he's just taking it.
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Speaker 2: We don't need to we don't need to win it
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Speaker 2: right away, right We're just gonna do what we have
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Speaker 2: to do because that's how we've had to win for
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Speaker 2: the past three years when defenses started to change when
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Speaker 2: they played it so JP, I hope everybody you know.
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Speaker 2: A big question all week, and I hate it because
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Speaker 2: it's kind of lazy commentary. Is what if a lady
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Speaker 2: say to people who are getting tired of the chief success.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you better enjoy it because number fifteen
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Speaker 2: is that dude, and he is not going anywhere. And
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Speaker 2: to add, he's got to be one of the most
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Speaker 2: likable people in the NFL.
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Speaker 6: He really is holy respect everything about Patrick.
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Speaker 1: Mahomes it is remarkable.
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Speaker 3: And I mentioned I want to mention the defense because
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Speaker 3: Trent McDuffie told me on the field Steve after the game,
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Speaker 3: I said, what'd you guys change? He goes Spags came
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Speaker 3: to us in the secondary and said, we're going, man,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to lean on you.
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Speaker 1: Our front's going to take care of the run.
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Speaker 3: We need you guys to take care of business, and
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Speaker 3: I saw these stats and they blew me away. They
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Speaker 3: went cover zero Steve twenty one percent of the time,
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Speaker 3: the average against the forty nine ers six cover one
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Speaker 3: forty percent of the time, the average for the year
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Speaker 3: twenty three percent. He went man sixty four percent of
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Speaker 3: the time. Teams only did that about thirty percent of
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Speaker 3: time against the Niners. And this group was able to
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Speaker 3: go out and handle that entire group. Lugarius Need told me,
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Speaker 3: I want to take the hearts out of their chest.
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Speaker 3: That's a talented, talented group back there that did things
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Speaker 3: against the Niners formationally that nobody had the guts to do.
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Speaker 3: And Steve Spagnola went out and did it. What's our
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Speaker 3: next bigger news, Steve, We're going bigger news.
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Speaker 2: The Niners players saying that they weren't aware of the
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Speaker 2: playoff overtime rules or jp the boxed punt return the
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Speaker 2: final moments of the third quarter that's guarded four consecutive
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Speaker 2: scores by the Chiefs, allowing them to tie the game
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Speaker 2: and to go into overtime.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say the botch punt because what the Chiefs
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Speaker 3: do is they hang around, they wait for a mistake,
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Speaker 3: and then bam.
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Speaker 1: They pounced.
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Speaker 3: Because I want to take you back to what happened
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Speaker 3: before this punt. Remember, Steve, they come out of halftime,
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Speaker 3: the snap goes bad, the pitch goes bad. Do they
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Speaker 3: lose twelve yards trying to get to Isaiah Pacheco?
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Speaker 1: Third and one? They have to call time out. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why, but then they still don't get it.
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Speaker 3: In third and one, they punt and then they get
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Speaker 3: you know, they get down back in you know, their
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Speaker 3: own territory.
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Speaker 1: Once again.
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Speaker 6: They had nothing.
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Speaker 3: Going offensively until this mishap and then one play touchdown,
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Speaker 3: and they scored on every drive.
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Speaker 2: After it was you know that play and first off,
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Speaker 2: that was not a Ray Ray McLeod the punt returner.
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Speaker 2: He was trying to get on that great point. Well
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Speaker 2: hit a teammate, so you know, people need to stop,
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Speaker 2: you know, giving him grief. But that changed everything. The Niners,
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Speaker 2: as ineffective as they were in terms of capitalizing on opportunities,
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Speaker 2: that opened the door. You know, the Chiefs get the ball,
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Speaker 2: they score on the next play on the touchdown pass
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Speaker 2: mvs I.
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Speaker 6: Believe, and that's that thing's in motion.
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Speaker 2: That's when everybody in that stadium felt Okay, here we go,
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Speaker 2: right and then don't forget the Niners went down and
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Speaker 2: scored a couple times after that, but they kicked field goals,
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Speaker 2: and that was the huge thing going on right here.
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Speaker 2: The chief was scoring touchdowns, the Niners were scoring field goals.
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Speaker 2: You know, we're going to talk to Matt Mayoko about
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Speaker 2: all of the discussion about the overtime rules. But frankly,
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Speaker 2: had that mistake on the punt return not happened, I
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Speaker 2: don't think we're going here. Let's also not forget the
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Speaker 2: Niners had a pat blocked. That's not getting enough discussion
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Speaker 2: when it talks about them not capitalizing, because if they
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Speaker 2: convert that pat, that game could have been over in regulation.
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Speaker 3: That's a great point, Steve. We don't talk about special
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Speaker 3: teams enough. We probably don't talk about Harrison Bucker enough
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Speaker 3: of what he's done this entire postseason. And then oh yeah,
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Speaker 3: he bangs a fifty seven yarder on the next drive.
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Speaker 3: After you mentioned when the forty nine ers went down,
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Speaker 3: answered you had a brilliant, brilliant postseason for the Kansas
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Speaker 3: City Chiefs. And speaking of the Chiefs, we're going to
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Speaker 3: next to talk about Andy Reid and how much longer
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Speaker 3: is he going to be coaching in Kansas City. It
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Speaker 1: A touchdown wins the game, play action fake.
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Speaker 5: Right, touch the head, Dudexas City A Cole Hartman hook,
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Speaker 5: Cole Hartman What the Catch?
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Speaker 1: Kansas City wins.
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Speaker 7: The game twenty five, twenty two, and the Chiefs Kingdom
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Speaker 7: has started its own history class for the first time
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Speaker 7: in six thousand, nine hundred and forty four days. There
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Speaker 7: is a back to back Super Bowl champion and it
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Speaker 7: is the Kansas City Chiefs.
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Speaker 3: If you're only listening to this as a podcast, you
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Speaker 3: missed some brilliant pictures of the fish and the celebration
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Speaker 3: after that Super Bowl. It was like a who's who
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Speaker 3: of people and one picture that's standing out to be
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Speaker 3: the most. As Nate Taylor joins us from the Athletic
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Speaker 3: Steve is Mahomes on the ground with his hands up
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Speaker 3: and if you've seen the ZAC, same pick sure of
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Speaker 3: Michael Jordan with the ball laying on the ground in
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Speaker 3: almost the exact same pose. That's the comp we're starting
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Speaker 3: to have Nate for Patrick Mahomes. But I want to
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Speaker 3: go to the man before we start this chat that
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Speaker 3: runs this entire thing, and that's Big Red Andy Reid.
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Speaker 3: Where there was speculation about him potentially retiring before this game.
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Speaker 3: So that was the very first question I wanted to
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Speaker 3: ask owner Clark Hunt when I had a chance to
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Speaker 3: speak with him right after the game.
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Speaker 1: Roll the tape, Elsie, what.
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Speaker 3: Is your pitch as owner Clark to just make sure
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Speaker 3: Andy stays as long as humanly possible in Kansas City.
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Speaker 8: My pitch to him is Patrick's under contract for another
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Speaker 8: eight years. I know Andy loves what he's doing. We
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Speaker 8: certainly appreciate him as a family. Our organization is what
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Speaker 8: it is because of Andy, and he's got a special
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Speaker 8: relationship with everybody in it. I'm expecting him to be
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Speaker 8: back next year and we'll be going for the three.
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Speaker 2: P Absolutely great stuff right there, from Clark Hunt to Nate.
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Speaker 2: Let me bring you into this now, because James and
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Speaker 2: I we know Andy well, we know people around him well,
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Speaker 2: and without coaching, it seems like Andy would.
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Speaker 6: Be almost lost.
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Speaker 2: Was there ever any real thought from the people you've
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Speaker 2: spoken with to him not coming back next season?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 6: No, Steve.
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Speaker 5: You know, it's been one of the more I guess,
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Speaker 5: fascinating subplots of this past season, the fact that Indy
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Speaker 5: Reed could potentially retire. I know, as it stands right now,
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Speaker 5: he's the oldest coach in the NFL, but he's still
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Speaker 5: got multiple years on his contract. I actually think, you know,
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Speaker 5: one of the things we can discuss maybe at the
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Speaker 5: Combine in a few weeks, is will Clark give Andy
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Speaker 5: Reid an extension another one or two years onto his
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Speaker 5: deal just because I Andy Ree could coach probably until
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Speaker 5: he's about seventy. You know, we saw his wife Tammy
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Speaker 5: on the field after the game. She clearly wants him
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Speaker 5: to continue coaching. There's no rush from the family standpoint
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Speaker 5: for him to stop working. So given where he is
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Speaker 5: right now, given where the franchise is, I expect Andrey
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Speaker 5: not only the coach in twenty twenty four, but likely
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, and even twenty twenty
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Speaker 5: eight as it currently stands right.
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Speaker 6: Now, based on everyone I've talked to in the organization.
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Speaker 6: There we go, There we know right, Nay.
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Speaker 3: I had a really interesting nugget told to me on
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Speaker 3: the sideline pregame, speaking to one of the coaches who's
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Speaker 3: been tight with Andy he for a long time now,
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Speaker 3: and I said, is there any chance Andy retires? He
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Speaker 3: was like, hell no, and this was the reason why.
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Speaker 3: And I found this fascinating. He said, Back when I
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Speaker 3: started with Andy, it was about Andy sleeping on the
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Speaker 3: couch till about week seven every year, where he felt
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Speaker 3: like he had to spend all of his time at
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Speaker 3: the facility finding a way to call the perfect game.
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Speaker 3: And that's the way he felt about it.
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Speaker 1: He said.
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Speaker 3: You fast forward to now, in the last couple of years,
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Speaker 3: Andy is leaving the facility.
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Speaker 1: Earlier and earlier and earlier.
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Speaker 3: Because there is an added comfort level of working with
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Speaker 3: Patrick that he hasn't added. Feel that it is worked
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Speaker 3: out probably faster. Mahomes keeps carrying more himself. The communication
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Speaker 3: continues to grow, and if Andy's days aren't like what
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Speaker 3: I described years ago, I'm not sure if that holds
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Speaker 3: him back by any stretch and going years to come.
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Speaker 1: If it's starting.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to say the NFL is easy, but
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Speaker 3: if it just the process of it during the week
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Speaker 3: is less time consuming to some extent, right.
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Speaker 5: And you have to realize too that Andy Reed has
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Speaker 5: never had it better, He's never had it this good,
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Speaker 5: even though we all know he's a future Hall of Famer.
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Speaker 5: But not only does he have the best quarterback in
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Speaker 5: the league, but he has one of the best defenses
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Speaker 5: in the league, which was the youngest unit this season
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Speaker 5: on that side of the all. So with everything going on,
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Speaker 5: he still has the Spagnolo, he still has Matt n Aggie.
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Speaker 5: Even Eric you and Me obviously is sort of out
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Speaker 5: there as a free agent coach. I wonder if he
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Speaker 5: will have some conversations with Andy about potentially joining the
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Speaker 5: staff again. Obviously, he's got a collection of players the most.
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Speaker 5: You know, the probably the two biggest free agents for
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Speaker 5: the Chiefs are Lagarious Need and Chris Jones. So if
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Speaker 5: they're able to, you know, retain those guys, then obviously
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Speaker 5: a three pet is in real it's a real possibility,
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Speaker 5: even despite the fact that the league is very hard
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Speaker 5: obviously to win, even back to back. So because of
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Speaker 5: the way everything nd Reed has structured right now, I
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Speaker 5: do get the sense that there would be no reason
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Speaker 5: for him to burn the midnight oil the way he
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Speaker 5: used to. But at the same time, he's got a
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Speaker 5: lot of trust with Brett Veach, the front office and
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Speaker 5: obviously his coaching staff that he's really maintained and cultivated
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Speaker 5: over the last decade since he's been in Kansas City.
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Speaker 2: Nay, since you just mentioned Lagarious Need and Chris Joes,
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Speaker 2: who you know are going to be free agents coming up,
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Speaker 2: what is the focus on retaining them? Because the one
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Speaker 2: thing we've seen out of the Chiefs the past couple
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Speaker 2: of years, they've gotten rid of big ticket players and
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Speaker 2: continued to win.
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Speaker 5: Yes, and just to name a few, one of the
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Speaker 5: bigger surprises with Tyron Matthew a couple of years ago,
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Speaker 5: they obviously place him to Justin Reid. Frank Clark is
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Speaker 5: no longer on the team right Orlando Brown was a
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Speaker 5: Pro Bowl left tackle. They let him walk in free agency.
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Speaker 5: So there's obviously a chance that one of these guys
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Speaker 5: may not be on the team next year, whether word
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Speaker 5: it's Lagarious Need or Chris Jones. The easier way for
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Speaker 5: the Chiefs right now is it is in my perspective,
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Speaker 5: and what I've been told is it's probably easier for
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Speaker 5: the Chiefs to maintain Lagarious Need. They can obviously use
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Speaker 5: the franchise tag if they want to have more time
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Speaker 5: to negotiate with him on a potential two to three
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Speaker 5: year deal to keep him, you know, over the course
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Speaker 5: of the prime of his career. He's twenty seven. It's
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Speaker 5: going to be a lot harder potentially for Chris Jones,
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Speaker 5: just because one of the reasons his holdout was so
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Speaker 5: interesting last year, Steve is because he wanted the possibility
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Speaker 5: to be a free agent, and now he's going to
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Speaker 5: get that opportunity as an unrestricted free agent in basically
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Speaker 5: a couple of weeks. So the Chiefs are going to
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Speaker 5: try their best to retain Chris Jones. They still want
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Speaker 5: to get him under contract to some extent. But you know,
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Speaker 5: right now, I understand why Pro Football focused and why
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Speaker 5: other services have him as the number one free agent
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Speaker 5: in this year's draft, or excuse me, in this year's
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Speaker 5: pre agency class. And so for all that to be said,
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Speaker 5: Chris Jones wants to stay with the Chiefs, but he
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Speaker 5: also wants to be paid, you know, near the thirty
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Speaker 5: million dollar mark. That's something I reported last year. I
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Speaker 5: don't think that's necessarily gonna change because he helped the
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Speaker 5: Chiefs win another Super Bowl. So if there's a free
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Speaker 5: agent team that wants to add, you know, some championship pedigree,
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Speaker 5: some immediate pass rush help, Chris Jones is going to
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Speaker 5: be very coveted come March. And for you know, Andy
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Speaker 5: Reid and Brett Veach, they're gonna have to be very
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Speaker 5: creative in terms of trying to structure a contract that
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Speaker 5: makes Chris Jones feel like he's prioritized, like he's one
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Speaker 5: of the highest paid defensive players in the league. But
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Speaker 5: also you still have to have that path flexibility considering
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Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes' contract obviously will continue to rise as he
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Speaker 5: goes through his career. Considering that he still has you know,
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Speaker 5: as Clark contat hat another eight years guaranteed on the
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Speaker 5: deal as of right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is not just an outside edge rusher.
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Speaker 3: This is a guy that can line up anywhere on
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Speaker 3: the defensive line. Stuff to run. The entire run onceptis
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Speaker 3: based off of Chris Jones. Everything he does is phenomenal.
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Speaker 3: What you're saying, Nay, you know you're able to let
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Speaker 3: these guys go if you keep drafting players the way
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Speaker 3: Brett Veach is. And he's gonna have to pay some
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Speaker 3: of those too. Remember Tray Smith, Creed Humphord right around
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Speaker 3: the corner. The keys to that offensive line are set
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Speaker 3: to be paid coming off their rookie contracts. So all
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Speaker 3: of that, we're looking at how that Brett Viach manages this.
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Speaker 3: And we have to talk about the man, the myth,
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Speaker 3: and really the legend. Now, Patrick Mahomes, you've been with
17:26
Speaker 3: him through all of this, and you've seen the numbers
17:29
Speaker 3: he's put up over some of these other years.
17:30
Speaker 1: But it was very interesting.
17:32
Speaker 3: On the last day availability I was having a private
17:34
Speaker 3: conversation with Matt Nague where he told me this year
17:37
Speaker 3: actually might mean more to his career moving forward because
17:41
Speaker 3: of how he had to play and adjust than we're thinking.
17:44
Speaker 3: This might be a huge year in the growth of
17:47
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. And to me that's terrifying for the other
17:51
Speaker 3: thirty one teams.
17:53
Speaker 5: It is because I think mentally he's just gotten so
17:57
Speaker 5: good that you know, Steve will so you could kind
18:00
Speaker 5: of see it on the broadcast, particularly late in the
18:02
Speaker 5: fourth quarter and obviously overtime. What do I call right
18:06
Speaker 5: now to get my defense to put any pressure, to
18:09
Speaker 5: put any sort of advantage on that side of the ball.
18:12
Speaker 5: And obviously Patrick Mahomes, once he saw pretty much forty
18:16
Speaker 5: nine ers had to offer, he had the correct answer.
18:18
Speaker 5: He used his legs, He used a collection of playmakers right.
18:22
Speaker 5: He somehow got Mark Wes Valdez Scalen to be a
18:25
Speaker 5: viable option, even though Mark Wes had his worst season
18:28
Speaker 5: of his career.
18:29
Speaker 6: And I think from a leadership standpoint, kind of to add.
18:32
Speaker 5: To what Matt Naggy told you, James is he's become
18:35
Speaker 5: the ultimate leader now. His voice not only carries well,
18:38
Speaker 5: but he's able to use his actions to sort of
18:41
Speaker 5: fortify his own words. And most notably what is fascinating
18:45
Speaker 5: to me is you know where she Rice is wide
18:47
Speaker 5: open for the game potential winning touchdown at the end
18:50
Speaker 5: of regulation. But because Creed Humphrey has a low snap
18:54
Speaker 5: you know where she Rice doesn't know that. So Patrick
18:55
Speaker 5: has to inform him in a very creative expletive manner
18:59
Speaker 5: that hey, I still have control overall this. Okay, I'm
19:03
Speaker 5: still gonna use you, I'm still gonna find you. Get
19:06
Speaker 5: ready for the next series. We just tied the game up.
19:08
Speaker 5: Keep your mind focused on what is necessary, not what
19:11
Speaker 5: is behind us now, because I couldn't get you the
19:13
Speaker 5: ball based on the scenario that was played out, So
19:16
Speaker 5: Rashid Rice as a rookie, he obviously wants to make
19:18
Speaker 5: a play, and then Patrick Mahomes obviously targets him on
19:22
Speaker 5: a big third down conversion against the Blitz on a
19:24
Speaker 5: drag route, and it just sort of proves to me that, yeah,
19:28
Speaker 5: he's the ultimate leader. Now he's become Manning, Tom Brady,
19:31
Speaker 5: whoever you want to add to the list in terms
19:34
Speaker 5: of I have understood everything around me.
19:36
Speaker 6: I know exactly what I need to say to get
19:37
Speaker 6: out of.
19:38
Speaker 5: The guys, and I still have the most talent of
19:42
Speaker 5: anybody playing the hardest position in sports.
19:44
Speaker 6: And when you combine all those things, all those ingredients.
19:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, a three pet, as I've said before, is very
19:49
Speaker 5: likely because the forty nine ers played so well for
19:52
Speaker 5: about three quarters and it didn't matter. Guys, I have
19:55
Speaker 5: to remind myself getting on the plane the Chiefs only
19:58
Speaker 5: scored three points at half time. They won the game.
20:02
Speaker 5: They won the game scoring twenty five points. So yes,
20:06
Speaker 5: he's reached a very very rare level.
20:09
Speaker 2: Can imagine Patrick or Rashi Rice like chill out Sun,
20:13
Speaker 2: remember where your bread is puttered? Any Taylor, thank you
20:16
Speaker 2: so much for joining us giving that perspective. We come
20:19
Speaker 2: back on the NFL Report. We're gonna hearty losers of
20:24
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? What about that overtime? How come the
20:27
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Speaker 1: Seven second six.
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Speaker 9: They aren't gonna snap it and Mahome's gonna roll to
20:57
Speaker 9: his right.
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Speaker 10: Crows touchdown the change. I have won the Super Ball.
21:02
Speaker 9: Nicole Hardman as they roll Mahomes ride, McColl hardman is
21:07
Speaker 9: ride Open, and the Chiks run the super Ball back
21:12
Speaker 9: to back years.
21:13
Speaker 10: Another heartbreaking loss for Kyle.
21:16
Speaker 6: Shana am Turgot.
21:20
Speaker 2: Okay, that was the game called That's Greg, Poppa and JP.
21:23
Speaker 2: You could hear the pain in almost disgust in Greg's voice.
21:27
Speaker 2: And so now let's bring in Matt Mayoko of NBC
21:30
Speaker 2: Sports Bay Area. Matth this is not the first time
21:33
Speaker 2: you've had to chronicle a Niners shortcoming. But the storyline
21:38
Speaker 2: right now is the fact that some players said they
21:40
Speaker 2: did not know the overtime playoff rules. Walk us through
21:45
Speaker 2: what's going on, and frankly, is it that big of
21:48
Speaker 2: an issue with the way things played out?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I guess you want your guys to know the rules.
21:54
Speaker 11: I don't know how that changes anything from a player's
21:57
Speaker 11: perspective though, but yeah, it does seem body. And you know,
22:00
Speaker 11: it wasn't like, you know, this was their first playoff game.
22:03
Speaker 11: You know, they they had a bye week and then
22:05
Speaker 11: they faced Green Bay, then they played Detroit in the
22:10
Speaker 11: in the NFC Championship Game, and then of course a
22:13
Speaker 11: bye week and then the Super Bowl. So it's not
22:15
Speaker 11: like this was the first game that they played under
22:17
Speaker 11: those new rules. It seems to me that over the
22:21
Speaker 11: course of the playoffs, everybody would be a maid made
22:24
Speaker 11: aware of the rules. So, yeah, that is that's kind
22:26
Speaker 11: of odd to say the least, and especially when you're
22:30
Speaker 11: talking about you know, some of the smartest guys on
22:33
Speaker 11: the team didn't even know those rules. So we're going
22:37
Speaker 11: to speak with with Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch in
22:40
Speaker 11: a little bit here in a couple hours, and so
22:42
Speaker 11: I'll definitely ask about that, just to see if that's
22:44
Speaker 11: something that they h that it was an oversight or
22:49
Speaker 11: did they feel like maybe they're just giving the players
22:51
Speaker 11: too much information At that point, they just run the
22:54
Speaker 11: play that's called and we'll handle everything else. Maybe they
22:57
Speaker 11: just didn't want to cloud the players thought in their
23:00
Speaker 11: head with more information than they needed. I don't know.
23:03
Speaker 11: It seems odd to me, but we'll we'll see what
23:06
Speaker 11: he has to say about that.
23:08
Speaker 3: Now with that real quick because I'm kind of on
23:10
Speaker 3: the same thinking as you, like, the players execute what
23:12
Speaker 3: is called. So I'm looking at it from why is
23:15
Speaker 3: this steered more towards right now? And maybe I'm missing something?
23:17
Speaker 3: Tell me if I am honestly more towards we're hearing
23:20
Speaker 3: the players not knowing what the overtime rules were, and
23:24
Speaker 3: less about why did they take the ball first? Because
23:26
Speaker 3: you're putting Patrick Mahomes in a position where he can
23:29
Speaker 3: go four down territory the entire drive essentially, and that
23:33
Speaker 3: almost seems a little bit more difficult and with him
23:35
Speaker 3: knowing what he has to accomplish.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, James, I didn't have any issue with it, and
23:42
Speaker 11: I'll tell you whyse was absolutely gassed. You know they were.
23:47
Speaker 11: Remember that defense was on the field for a ten
23:51
Speaker 11: play drive that lasted one fifty so we're talking rapid
23:56
Speaker 11: fire succession and you could tell by the end of
23:58
Speaker 11: that drive that in it regulation with the short field
24:01
Speaker 11: goal that the forty Aers defense needed a breather the
24:05
Speaker 11: other So to put the defense right back out there
24:08
Speaker 11: on the field I don't think was the right call
24:10
Speaker 11: at all. But I think Kyle Sheenihan's decision making, or
24:14
Speaker 11: at least his explanation was a little bit flawed because
24:17
Speaker 11: he didn't even bring that part of it up. He
24:19
Speaker 11: said the main reason because of they wanted the third possession,
24:25
Speaker 11: and you know, on face value, I don't necessarily disagree
24:29
Speaker 11: with that but it seemed to me that the forty
24:32
Speaker 11: ers had predetermined this is what we're going to do,
24:35
Speaker 11: this is what the analytics say is best without taking
24:38
Speaker 11: the game circumstances into account. And so I had no
24:42
Speaker 11: issue with them deciding to take the ball first because
24:45
Speaker 11: of the standpoint of it would have been putting the
24:47
Speaker 11: defense in a really bad position. So I didn't have
24:50
Speaker 11: any with that. The other part of it is, and
24:54
Speaker 11: I know it's Patrick Mahomes on the other side, and
24:57
Speaker 11: you just kind of throw out everything you've seen up
25:00
Speaker 11: to that point, but the Kansas City Chiefs had really
25:04
Speaker 11: not gotten into the end zone at all up to
25:06
Speaker 11: that point, other other than a one play, sixteen yard
25:11
Speaker 11: drive that was set up on a quick turnaround where
25:14
Speaker 11: the defense had to get back out there after the
25:16
Speaker 11: month pun So, you know, settling for the field goal,
25:20
Speaker 11: I have no issue with that. You know, fourth and four,
25:23
Speaker 11: take the points because your defense up to that point
25:26
Speaker 11: had been doing the job of keeping Kansas City out
25:29
Speaker 11: of the out of the end zone. So you know what,
25:31
Speaker 11: when you lose the Super Bowl and one hundred and
25:34
Speaker 11: twenty three million people are watching, of course there's going
25:37
Speaker 11: to be second guessing. And the reason they're second guessing
25:40
Speaker 11: is because it didn't turn out the way the forty
25:42
Speaker 11: nine ers wanted it to. So everything, overtime, play calling,
25:47
Speaker 11: everything is open to second guessing.
25:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, you lose, you have to find a goat, and
25:53
Speaker 2: not the positive goat, but the old the old definition
25:56
Speaker 2: of goat of someone to dumping off. And I'm a
25:58
Speaker 2: hundred percent with you in terms of I'm taking the ball.
26:01
Speaker 2: People forget they had two opportunities right down there, wide
26:04
Speaker 2: open to get into the end zone. They just did
26:06
Speaker 2: not capitalize. In overtime. Inflation of saying we wanted to
26:12
Speaker 2: have third possession, the chiefs were like, if we're going
26:14
Speaker 2: to go seventy five on these guys, we'll go for
26:16
Speaker 2: two because that means we got them where they want it.
26:19
Speaker 6: But I want to I want to get to this now.
26:21
Speaker 2: When we talk about scapegoats, we'll make it that way
26:24
Speaker 2: in case we don't confuse the goat analysis.
26:28
Speaker 6: Is anything coming.
26:29
Speaker 2: Brock Perty's way, because I thought Brock played fine against
26:33
Speaker 2: one of the best defenses in the NFL.
26:36
Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't think so. No, I think brock Purdy
26:38
Speaker 11: played well enough to win this game. In fact, you
26:41
Speaker 11: know who's your game MVP. If the forty nine ers
26:45
Speaker 11: make that stop on fourth and one in overtime, it's
26:48
Speaker 11: probably a Rock Purty, isn't it. I Mean some people
26:50
Speaker 11: might say Juwan jen but you know Juwan Jennings, the
26:54
Speaker 11: boasted did have a good game. A few mistackles there,
26:58
Speaker 11: but yeah, you know who's who's going to be the
27:01
Speaker 11: the m v P. Rock Purty was was solid. You know,
27:05
Speaker 11: he he didn't have a great game. He didn't give
27:07
Speaker 11: the ball to the other team at all. I think
27:11
Speaker 11: he basically did you know what he was supposed to do,
27:15
Speaker 11: you know, and again like the fred Anders, didn't make
27:17
Speaker 11: the plays that were necessary, and that goes down to
27:20
Speaker 11: you know, a blown pass protection, a blown assignment on
27:24
Speaker 11: the third and four play overtime. You know, they weren't
27:28
Speaker 11: good on third downs throughout the game on offense. They
27:32
Speaker 11: weren't good on third downs when they had to be
27:34
Speaker 11: good on defense. So you know, there were a lot
27:38
Speaker 11: of pactors. I mean, you know who's the goat of
27:40
Speaker 11: this game? You know, probably history will we'll tell you
27:43
Speaker 11: that it's Kyle Shanahan. Again, you know, because of all
27:47
Speaker 11: the history there too. I mean we're talking about a
27:49
Speaker 11: very star crossed postseason and and a Super Bowl. Uh,
27:55
Speaker 11: you know all the history of the Super Bowl with him,
27:58
Speaker 11: So I mean, he will probably be the guy that
28:00
Speaker 11: takes the run of this. But you know, you're talking
28:02
Speaker 11: about a coach that in what four postseasons with the
28:05
Speaker 11: forty nine ers, they have eight victories and four defeats.
28:09
Speaker 11: So you know, his six sixty seven win percentage in
28:12
Speaker 11: the postseason is pretty darn good. But nobody cares about
28:16
Speaker 11: that unless you win the final game of the season.
28:18
Speaker 11: And you know, at this stage in his career, you know,
28:23
Speaker 11: now you're starting to wonder, Wow, if not Sunday in
28:26
Speaker 11: Super Bowl fifty eight, then when will it ever happen
28:29
Speaker 11: for Kyle Shanahan and the forty nine Ers.
28:33
Speaker 1: That's wild to think.
28:34
Speaker 3: I want to touch on this game one more time
28:37
Speaker 3: before we look back Matt in this game so much
28:39
Speaker 3: about matchups, about adjustments and what you do, and Steve
28:42
Speaker 3: Wilkes and his unit and what they had in place
28:45
Speaker 3: for Travis Kelsey in the first half what one catch
28:49
Speaker 3: for one yard? Obviously in the second half you try
28:51
Speaker 3: to find different ways to free him up. What was
28:54
Speaker 3: being said in the locker room and the people you
28:56
Speaker 3: spoke with about maybe Wilkes's playing for Kelsey and specifically
29:01
Speaker 3: for the receivers, maybe playing off at times was what
29:03
Speaker 3: was the discussion there in your opinion on the way
29:06
Speaker 3: the defense played specifically in the second half, well, just like.
29:11
Speaker 11: In the NFC Championship Ship game a year ago, and
29:14
Speaker 11: injury played a significant role in this. Dray green Lot
29:19
Speaker 11: and Fred Warner are in my mind the best two
29:24
Speaker 11: inside linebackers in the game with their ability to go
29:27
Speaker 11: sideline to sideline, their athleticism, their coverage ability, and so
29:31
Speaker 11: when dra Greenlaw was on the field, Travis Kelce had
29:34
Speaker 11: one catch one yard. When Dray Greenlaw left the lineup
29:40
Speaker 11: left the field on a cart. They actually left the
29:42
Speaker 11: sideline on a cart in that very in That was
29:46
Speaker 11: a game changing, you know. So that was something that
29:49
Speaker 11: you know, when you replace him with a player who's
29:53
Speaker 11: not nearly as good as him, and then that means
29:56
Speaker 11: the third linebacker coming in isn't as good as you know,
30:00
Speaker 11: the I should say, the fourth linebacker coming in isn't
30:02
Speaker 11: as good as the third linebacker. That just has a
30:05
Speaker 11: cumulative effect. Now I'm not saying trust me, I'm not
30:09
Speaker 11: saying that if Drake Greenlaw we're out there. He would
30:11
Speaker 11: have been Travis Kelsey would have been held to one
30:13
Speaker 11: catch for one yard in the second half. But you
30:15
Speaker 11: can't tell me that that did not play some kind
30:17
Speaker 11: of role.
30:18
Speaker 2: True, it absolutely did, because you can scheme things differently,
30:21
Speaker 2: real quick, Matt. Moving forward, we know Brandon Aiyuk, he
30:25
Speaker 2: can be hitting free agency Chase Young. How out of
30:29
Speaker 2: the Niners keep this nucleus together or do they want
30:33
Speaker 2: to keep this nucleus together?
30:35
Speaker 11: Oh, They're going to keep the nucleus together, there's no question.
30:38
Speaker 11: And I would say Brandon Ayuk is priority number one.
30:41
Speaker 11: In the off season, he turned into a really good
30:44
Speaker 11: route runner, wide receiver, just all around, you know, blockers, everything,
30:48
Speaker 11: he's everything in the fourty yards a lot out of
30:51
Speaker 11: the wide receiver position. And so how do they keep
30:54
Speaker 11: it together? I'll tell you they keep it together by
30:57
Speaker 11: having one of the top quarterbacks in the league making
30:59
Speaker 11: them million dollars. You know, he's basically he's making forty
31:04
Speaker 11: five to fifty times or under what he should be making.
31:09
Speaker 11: So they're able to keep that roster together. But no,
31:13
Speaker 11: I mean there's issues. I mean there's areas where they
31:16
Speaker 11: need to shore up. I think they need to look
31:18
Speaker 11: at the interior of their offensive line. They probably need
31:20
Speaker 11: more depth of cornerback. They probably need another wide receiver.
31:25
Speaker 11: So there are areas that whether they will look at.
31:28
Speaker 11: I don't Chase. I don't think Chase Young is coming back.
31:31
Speaker 11: I mean that was kind of seen as a half
31:33
Speaker 11: the season rental when they got him in that trade
31:35
Speaker 11: from Washington. You know, they got Randy Gregory. It would hard.
31:38
Speaker 11: It's hard for me to believe that that he's coming
31:40
Speaker 11: back as well. No, I don't think they're going to
31:43
Speaker 11: keep pay a big sum of money to keep any
31:45
Speaker 11: of their their free agents. The good thing for them
31:48
Speaker 11: is there's not a whole lot of free agents, so
31:50
Speaker 11: the nucleus of the team is you know, Trent Williams,
31:53
Speaker 11: Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Deebo, Samuel rock Purdy, all those
32:03
Speaker 11: Arias Ward, all those guys are coming back because you
32:07
Speaker 11: know they can afford it because of the quarterback situation.
32:10
Speaker 11: It's when they have to pay rock Purty, which will
32:13
Speaker 11: be a year from now, and even then the first
32:17
Speaker 11: year of his contract is going to have a very
32:19
Speaker 11: low cap number. But when they have to start paying
32:22
Speaker 11: brock Purty, like in relation to what the production they
32:26
Speaker 11: get out of Rock Party, that's when they're going to
32:29
Speaker 11: have to start having some salary cap issues and start
32:31
Speaker 11: making some difficult decisions. But by then there might be
32:35
Speaker 11: some obvious decisions to make. As far as veteran guys,
32:38
Speaker 11: that's time to kind of move aside. But I mean,
32:43
Speaker 11: it's so tough to get back here in the for Airs.
32:45
Speaker 11: You know, they've been in the final four of the
32:47
Speaker 11: NFL for for the past five years that now they've
32:50
Speaker 11: lost in the Super Bowl two of those five years.
32:54
Speaker 11: It's really difficult to get back here, and just being
32:57
Speaker 11: around the team and seeing that long, long road and
33:00
Speaker 11: then the heartbreak after they fall short. But there's no
33:03
Speaker 11: reason to think that the forty Ares cannot be a
33:07
Speaker 11: competitive team again next season and give it another run
33:11
Speaker 11: for a championship.
33:12
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, Matt.
33:13
Speaker 3: I'm not saying anything that you don't know, but maybe
33:15
Speaker 3: the rest of America should pay more attention. When I
33:17
Speaker 3: was talking with Jerrusneaed on the field after the game,
33:19
Speaker 3: he was talking about Brandon Nuyuk like he was trying
33:22
Speaker 3: to guard Jerry Rice. The amount of respect that Sneed
33:24
Speaker 3: had for Brandon Uyuk was through the Roof for what
33:27
Speaker 3: he had to handle throughout the course of that game.
33:29
Speaker 3: Matt appreciate it even I always love talking the ball
33:32
Speaker 3: with you. Thank you for stopping by the NFL Report. Appreciated, Elsie.
33:37
Speaker 3: Roll this tape right here. We're moving forward to Ian
33:40
Speaker 3: rap Report and his report over Super Bowl week about
33:43
Speaker 3: what it would take to get up to number one.
33:47
Speaker 5: Woo.
33:47
Speaker 3: Where would Justin Fields be heading? We'll look at that
33:50
Speaker 3: too with rap Sheet next on the NFL Report.
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Speaker 2: our guy, Ian Rappaport, real quick j Like like we
34:28
Speaker 2: worked our tails off in Vegas, but like this dude
34:31
Speaker 2: has us lapped because I don't think Ian sleeps being
34:34
Speaker 2: height holding up after the week in Vegas.
34:37
Speaker 1: You're wrong.
34:37
Speaker 10: I did sleep on the Red Eye back from Las
34:41
Speaker 10: Vegas about four solid hours. Had a nice dinner at
34:45
Speaker 10: the California Pizza Kitchen before that at the airport. Got
34:48
Speaker 10: a lot going on here, guys, But I'm doing well.
34:51
Speaker 6: Strong, strong, Okay.
34:52
Speaker 2: So Ian, We're coming off the Super Bowl, which means
34:55
Speaker 2: we are now into draft season, and over the weekend
34:59
Speaker 2: you were reported that the Chicago Bears are saying it
35:03
Speaker 2: would take basically historic type of compensation for them to
35:08
Speaker 2: come off the number one pick. Is this part of
35:11
Speaker 2: the pre draft game that they're playing, saying, Hey, if
35:16
Speaker 2: you want to come up, you're gonna have to give
35:17
Speaker 2: us a lot or are they serious about that?
35:20
Speaker 6: Yeah?
35:20
Speaker 10: My feel is that they're very serious about it.
35:22
Speaker 6: And you're right.
35:22
Speaker 10: I mean this has wide ranging ramifications about draft season.
35:26
Speaker 10: It also affects free agency. Well, let's go into the
35:29
Speaker 10: draft part of it first. I believe it to be
35:31
Speaker 10: very true that the Bears would need historic, crazy compensation
35:35
Speaker 10: to come off one. That goes to show you how
35:37
Speaker 10: special they think Cale Williams is.
35:40
Speaker 9: Now.
35:40
Speaker 10: I know they're not there yet. They're still trying to
35:41
Speaker 10: get to know him as a person. A lot that
35:43
Speaker 10: goes into this evaluation, but that is where it stands
35:46
Speaker 10: right now with the Bears and with Caleb Williams. If
35:49
Speaker 10: they're going to make a move, if they're going to
35:51
Speaker 10: give up on a quarterback that they believe can be
35:54
Speaker 10: a franchise quarterback, then it would take something special. And look,
35:58
Speaker 10: you never get the chance to draft umber one. The
36:00
Speaker 10: fact that they got the chance to draft number one
36:02
Speaker 10: twice is just wild. And certainly they've made it count
36:04
Speaker 10: with the kind of draft picks that they have acquired
36:07
Speaker 10: and that they have used and all of that. That
36:09
Speaker 10: seems to be where they stand now planning to pick
36:12
Speaker 10: at number one. Unless something dramatically changes and they gets
36:15
Speaker 10: offered something crazy. That would be an indication that they
36:18
Speaker 10: would trade Justin Fields for the right price. They should
36:21
Speaker 10: be able to get premium draft pick compensation for Justin Fields.
36:25
Speaker 10: Really came on late in the season, looked excellent. It
36:28
Speaker 10: is a very very quarterback needy league. They're going to
36:31
Speaker 10: be able to get something really good for Fields.
36:35
Speaker 3: I want to circle back to Fields in a minute,
36:37
Speaker 3: but I want to stick with this picky and like,
36:39
Speaker 3: if a team like Washington wants to come up from two,
36:42
Speaker 3: if what you're saying obviously Chicago wants, what would they
36:47
Speaker 3: have to give up because that's only going one spot.
36:51
Speaker 3: They're probably going to say, we can't give up this much.
36:53
Speaker 3: We're only going from two to one. Does it almost
36:55
Speaker 3: make it harder for a team that's closer to Chicago
36:58
Speaker 3: to try to get up to that one spot?
37:02
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's you're going to pay premium anyway
37:05
Speaker 10: if it's a quarterback. If it's a quarterback trade, you're
37:07
Speaker 10: gonna pay a lot. I mean, I remember when the
37:10
Speaker 10: Bears came up over the forty nine ers for Trubisky
37:13
Speaker 10: and it was I believe it was a two and
37:16
Speaker 10: change if I remember. I could be wrong, but I
37:18
Speaker 10: think that's what it was. You guys can look it
37:19
Speaker 10: up while I'm talking, and you know that was for
37:23
Speaker 10: That was for a quarterback. That's what it costs one spot,
37:26
Speaker 10: from three to two, at least to two, I would
37:28
Speaker 10: imagine to go from two to one, it would be
37:31
Speaker 10: at least a one and probably more. Because we could
37:34
Speaker 10: talk about the picks all we want. We could say
37:36
Speaker 10: from five to three, from nine to three, from three
37:40
Speaker 10: to one, use the numbers all you want. But this
37:43
Speaker 10: is about players. It is about franchise quarterbacks. So the
37:46
Speaker 10: question is that what it costs to get from two
37:48
Speaker 10: to one. The question is what does it cost for
37:51
Speaker 10: the Bears to give up on the opportunity to draft
37:54
Speaker 10: Caleb Williams, who most people believe is a franchise quarterback.
37:57
Speaker 10: That's the value you're talking about. Whether it's from you know,
38:00
Speaker 10: one to two or one to nine, it is going
38:03
Speaker 10: to be incredibly expensive because it would have to be
38:05
Speaker 10: worth it for the Bears to say we are okay
38:08
Speaker 10: not drafting this guy. Now, if you're the forty nine ers,
38:10
Speaker 10: you have Cliff Kingsbury coach kil Williams exploring it absolutely
38:15
Speaker 10: makes sense. I just don't know that it's actually going
38:17
Speaker 10: to happen.
38:18
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, the commander is right there. But Ian,
38:20
Speaker 2: here's here's an interesting thing and humor me on this.
38:25
Speaker 2: Let's say Washington and Chicago make that move. Chicago could
38:30
Speaker 2: now say who wants to come to two and possibly
38:33
Speaker 2: get that.
38:34
Speaker 6: Pick and dangle.
38:36
Speaker 2: So they could really that to me when you when
38:38
Speaker 2: you reported the historic Hall, to me, that is the
38:41
Speaker 2: potential chess game that Ryan Poles could be playing here.
38:46
Speaker 10: I mean you could go from one to two with
38:48
Speaker 10: the Commanders for let's say a first round pick and
38:52
Speaker 10: more probably just to move from one to two, and
38:54
Speaker 10: you could go from two to five, th to nine.
38:58
Speaker 10: There's a lot of different places, or six where the
39:01
Speaker 10: Giants that Giants are at six. Right, you know, you
39:04
Speaker 10: could move back, you could collect first rounders, you could
39:07
Speaker 10: have endless first rounders. It could be the greatest draft
39:10
Speaker 10: trade in the history of the world. I would compare
39:13
Speaker 10: that to what if Justin Fields is not the franchise
39:16
Speaker 10: quarterback you think, or what if whoever else do you
39:19
Speaker 10: take is not Cale Williams. Draft picks are awesome. You
39:22
Speaker 10: want draft picks, you want everything you possibly can get.
39:26
Speaker 10: But all that is against the back job of if
39:29
Speaker 10: you have ca Let's say Kle Williams is Mahomes, Let's
39:32
Speaker 10: say he's Josh Allen, let's say he's Joe Burrow. Is
39:35
Speaker 10: anything worth it? Honestly, is any draft pick compensation worth
39:38
Speaker 10: it to say we're okay not having him for ten years?
39:41
Speaker 6: Yep?
39:43
Speaker 3: And I listened to that, And what clicks in my
39:45
Speaker 3: head is when you have that player and you didn't
39:47
Speaker 3: have to give up picks to get him is even
39:50
Speaker 3: more important. Because we're looking at a team in Denver
39:53
Speaker 3: that thought they were getting a franchise pick, gave up
39:55
Speaker 3: a number of picks to get him, and then you
39:58
Speaker 3: look at the situation that you find yoursel helf in.
40:00
Speaker 3: If that's not the guy, it's different if it's not
40:02
Speaker 3: the guy and he didn't give up the hall for him.
40:05
Speaker 3: Look at Denver. Now, where do we go with Russell Wilson?
40:08
Speaker 3: You mentioned it's a quarterback needy kind of off season.
40:12
Speaker 3: What could maybe be some potential landing spots if he leaves,
40:15
Speaker 3: and legitimately, because you talked about this on Sunday, legitimately
40:19
Speaker 3: the chance he stays.
40:21
Speaker 10: Well, let me start first, it's more likely than not
40:23
Speaker 10: that he goes as opposed to stay, like the kind
40:26
Speaker 10: of season he had, he got benched, he threatened all
40:29
Speaker 10: sorts of stuff through his people with the NFLPA to
40:33
Speaker 10: the issue with the way that Denver Broncos handled his
40:36
Speaker 10: contract situation despite the fact that it was fully within
40:39
Speaker 10: the rules, and eventually all this got sort of dropped
40:42
Speaker 10: and handled. Could stay. And the reason I could say
40:45
Speaker 10: I'd say he theoretically could stay is the boke might
40:48
Speaker 10: go out there and go. You know what, we got
40:50
Speaker 10: to put a differences behind because it is better to
40:53
Speaker 10: be together than it is apart. If you're together, Russell
40:56
Speaker 10: Wilson doesn't have to find a landing spot, and the
40:59
Speaker 10: Broncos don't need to a quarterback who can compete with
41:02
Speaker 10: what they have already on the roster and Jared Stidham,
41:05
Speaker 10: So coming together at least sort of makes sense. As
41:09
Speaker 10: far as the landing spot, I think what Russell Wilson
41:11
Speaker 10: will be looking at, or probably should be looking at,
41:13
Speaker 10: is a place where he can go in and be
41:15
Speaker 10: a bridge guy for a young quarterback. Maybe he starts
41:18
Speaker 10: all year and actually teaches. Maybe he starts for the
41:20
Speaker 10: first couple of games and that guy takes over. That's
41:23
Speaker 10: where Russell Wilson is in his career, and if he's realistic,
41:27
Speaker 10: then I think he could end up having a really
41:28
Speaker 10: good couple of years to finish this thing out.
41:31
Speaker 2: Well, the contract is what's going to be a huge
41:33
Speaker 2: driver of this because no team is really going to
41:35
Speaker 2: want to take on that salary.
41:37
Speaker 6: And there could be teams you say, you know what, but.
41:39
Speaker 10: They wouldn't, but they wouldn't have to because suit let's
41:43
Speaker 10: say the Broncos cut him or trade him and take
41:46
Speaker 10: on the whole salary, then it's gonna be minimum. So
41:49
Speaker 10: if you're signing Russell Wilson. You're signing him for a
41:51
Speaker 10: million dollars and that's it.
41:52
Speaker 2: Thank you for that clarity. That's hugely important and I'm
41:55
Speaker 2: glad you brought that up. Let's move on though, you
41:58
Speaker 2: know we earlier, you know we spoke about the Chiefs
42:01
Speaker 2: and Niners. Brandon Ayuk, Chase young guys like that for
42:04
Speaker 2: the Niners, Chris Jones, luxurious Need, superstars like that for
42:09
Speaker 2: both teams. Is there any realistic chance like any of
42:13
Speaker 2: these guys could be back with their respect to teams.
42:16
Speaker 10: Yeah, let's start with the Chiefs first, right, So you
42:19
Speaker 10: got Lagarius Sneed, who's in the final year of his deal,
42:21
Speaker 10: just finished the final year of his deal. Absolutely a
42:23
Speaker 10: franchise tag candidate. He is a great player. We can
42:26
Speaker 10: talk all we want about roster building from Brett Veach
42:29
Speaker 10: and all this, like this is how you do it right,
42:31
Speaker 10: You find mid round picks and then become superstars. This
42:34
Speaker 10: is literally how you do it. Forty nine Ers have
42:35
Speaker 10: a few two, don't get me wrong, But for the
42:37
Speaker 10: Chiefs this is how you do it. So I would
42:39
Speaker 10: expect him probably to be back. Chris Jones is hard.
42:42
Speaker 10: He basically can't be franchise tagers the number would be
42:45
Speaker 10: too high. There's a lot of good feelings between him
42:47
Speaker 10: and the Chiefs. There's also a lot of discussions that
42:50
Speaker 10: they've had. James knows it's gotten tough. Contract wise, it's
42:53
Speaker 10: been tough. The fact that he's back this year, I'm
42:56
Speaker 10: dawled out, means his price tag is going to be
42:58
Speaker 10: very high. Could be back, but I don't feel like
43:01
Speaker 10: that's a guarantee at all. And you know, third contract
43:05
Speaker 10: for veterans is not generally the way that championship teams build, James,
43:11
Speaker 10: I mean that is that what do you think you
43:13
Speaker 10: know the Chiefs as well as knowing am I on
43:14
Speaker 10: building on that?
43:16
Speaker 1: That's no, You're You're completely accurate on that.
43:18
Speaker 3: And there's been a sense in Chris's camp that watch
43:22
Speaker 3: us ball out this year and watch the number continue
43:24
Speaker 3: to rise. And I think the last game he played,
43:26
Speaker 3: maybe the last game he plays in the Chiefs uniform,
43:29
Speaker 3: was just as good as we've seen him play. I mean,
43:30
Speaker 3: he was as disruptive to that Super Bowl as we
43:33
Speaker 3: saw anybody else on the field and played a huge
43:35
Speaker 3: part in it. That only helps Chris Jones, and that
43:38
Speaker 3: only helps where it's at when he mentioned the negotiations,
43:41
Speaker 3: I think you do have to put into account and
43:43
Speaker 3: you remember the first time he was going to get
43:45
Speaker 3: paid and how he handled that. Chris, it doesn't matter
43:50
Speaker 3: whether there's money or not. He will handle this a
43:52
Speaker 3: little bit differently than some of the other players around
43:55
Speaker 3: the league, because Chris is.
43:56
Speaker 1: Wired a little bit differently. Real quickly.
43:58
Speaker 3: In the other side of things, Niners Auk and Chase
44:02
Speaker 3: Young thoughts thoughts there.
44:03
Speaker 1: Because Brandon I Yuk is a number one wide receiver.
44:06
Speaker 10: Yes, right now, he has another year in his deal.
44:09
Speaker 10: He's got the fifth year option that was picked up,
44:11
Speaker 10: so he's got twenty twenty four under contract. My understanding
44:16
Speaker 10: extension candidates, So when the forty nine ers want to
44:18
Speaker 10: keep home now, I mean I saw his Instagram post.
44:21
Speaker 10: I think he wanted more targets in the Super Bowl.
44:23
Speaker 10: Definitely get it. Seemed more like social media frustration than
44:26
Speaker 10: anything else.
44:27
Speaker 6: You know.
44:28
Speaker 10: I look, I guess anybody could be traded, right, I mean,
44:30
Speaker 10: he's a really good player. Somebody would absolutely like him.
44:34
Speaker 10: Just seems to me that allowing homegrown talent to move
44:38
Speaker 10: on for no reason, you know, probably is not the
44:43
Speaker 10: way to do it. Well, we'll see, but you know
44:45
Speaker 10: that would be my sense there. And then Chase Young
44:48
Speaker 10: came over in the trade, absolutely had some up and downs,
44:50
Speaker 10: did have a sack on the Super Bowl. You know,
44:52
Speaker 10: I don't get the sensus is so when they're going
44:54
Speaker 10: to be rushing and resigned, feels more like go out
44:57
Speaker 10: test the market, see what's there. See if you liked
45:00
Speaker 10: it in San Francisco to come in and my guess
45:03
Speaker 10: it ends up being a one year deal, prove it deal,
45:05
Speaker 10: which would be a good circumstance for him, no doubt.
45:08
Speaker 1: In talking about going out and testing the market.
45:10
Speaker 3: Hassan Reddick, this was kind of late news that we
45:13
Speaker 3: all are hearing of him going out and being granted
45:16
Speaker 3: permission to seek a trade. I'm curious how he ties
45:20
Speaker 3: in to what's.
45:21
Speaker 1: Going on in Philadelphia.
45:22
Speaker 3: This is a guy that played at Temple from Philly,
45:24
Speaker 3: obviously loved playing at home. Is there any talk about
45:29
Speaker 3: the building and or is this just Hassan specific because
45:33
Speaker 3: he's still a really, really good player, has somehow flown
45:37
Speaker 3: under the radar in a lot of people around the
45:39
Speaker 3: league's mind.
45:41
Speaker 10: Yeah, I see what you're saying. You're wondering if it's
45:43
Speaker 10: more like him or is he like trying to get
45:45
Speaker 10: out of Philly. I don't get the sense he's trying
45:47
Speaker 10: to get out of Philly, you know, I don't get
45:49
Speaker 10: the sense he's like this place is not for me.
45:52
Speaker 10: It's more business. It's he has played under a contract.
45:57
Speaker 10: At the time it was a very very good contact
46:00
Speaker 10: track and he had sixteen sacks or whatever it was.
46:02
Speaker 10: I think that was about sixteen sacks last year. I
46:04
Speaker 10: think ten or eleven more this year. He is a
46:06
Speaker 10: great player, and my understanding leaves he deserves a new contract.
46:11
Speaker 10: Absolutely understand that everyone should get as much money as
46:14
Speaker 10: humanly possible. That is what started this conversation with a
46:17
Speaker 10: son Reddick is can if the Eagles are not gonna,
46:20
Speaker 10: you know, ante up and give him what he wants?
46:22
Speaker 10: Will some team I know there's interest. I know that
46:25
Speaker 10: there is interest. In my sense is somebody absolutely will
46:27
Speaker 10: pay him what he wants. So you know him being
46:30
Speaker 10: like I know he likes Philly and lights the fans
46:33
Speaker 10: all of that. There's the business side of it, and
46:35
Speaker 10: everyone should do as much as humidly possible to make
46:37
Speaker 10: as much much money as they can.
46:40
Speaker 2: He's such a good player and I don't see why
46:41
Speaker 2: they wouldn't work something out, but like you said, there
46:44
Speaker 2: will be a market for Hassan Reddick. I appreciates you
46:47
Speaker 2: taking out some time, great stuff shedding some light on
46:50
Speaker 2: some of those things. And when we come back on
46:52
Speaker 2: the NFL Report, could it be a Chief three p
46:56
Speaker 2: Could the Niners get back? Who is the biggest threat
46:59
Speaker 2: to be super teams? We'll pay you next on the
47:01
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Speaker 6: Pull the tape, Elsie.
47:10
Speaker 10: This is Trent McDuffie, all Pro Corner with the Kansas
47:13
Speaker 10: City Chiefs, and this is the NFL Report.
47:16
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the NFL port.
47:18
Speaker 3: As we closed this up, it was funny I saw
47:19
Speaker 3: a tweet Steve during the Super Bowl as somebody put out,
47:22
Speaker 3: every you know, our team could really use a Trent McDuffie,
47:25
Speaker 3: and I've responded, every team could really use a.
47:27
Speaker 1: Trent mcduffee exactly. He's that good of a player.
47:31
Speaker 3: And speaking of Trent McDuffie and the Kansas City Chiefs,
47:34
Speaker 3: Chiefs Niners, Steve in the Super Bowl this season, who
47:37
Speaker 3: could we potentially see knock one of these two teams
47:40
Speaker 3: out and find themselves in the Super Bowl next year.
47:43
Speaker 1: I'll have you go first.
47:45
Speaker 2: Whoa I mean this is tough because this was supposed
47:47
Speaker 2: to be the year where you got Kansas City right
47:49
Speaker 2: where their tackles weren't great, they were getting penalized, the
47:52
Speaker 2: receivers aren't great. Well, let's look at you've gotta go.
47:54
Speaker 2: You gotta look at the Cincinnati Bengals because they have
47:57
Speaker 2: been a thorn with the Chiefs. If Joey Burrow comes
48:00
Speaker 2: back healthy, now, if they they've got to keep T
48:02
Speaker 2: Higgins to possibly be a part of that. We know
48:04
Speaker 2: he set the hit free agency and within the division. JP,
48:09
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. Jim Harball,
48:15
Speaker 2: I don't have faith in them going to the Super Bowl,
48:17
Speaker 2: but they're gonna be a thorn for the Chiefs. They're
48:20
Speaker 2: gonna make it hard within the division.
48:24
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I will say one. I mean this is
48:27
Speaker 3: this is an easy one. This is not a far stretch.
48:30
Speaker 3: The Baltimore Ravens played essentially one bad half, uh, and
48:34
Speaker 3: they didn't get to the super Bowl. The Ravens are
48:36
Speaker 3: still right there. We saw Lamar play an unbelievably high level.
48:39
Speaker 3: We saw the defense play like the best defense in
48:42
Speaker 3: all of football. They're definitely still in the conversation if
48:46
Speaker 3: we're gonna go outside, like you said, with the Chargers
48:49
Speaker 3: making a big run in their first year with Jim
48:52
Speaker 3: Harbaugh as their head coach, I'm gonna go with a
48:54
Speaker 3: team that had a run with their first year head
48:56
Speaker 3: coach this season, and that's the Houston Texans. For a
48:59
Speaker 3: few you are now a destination down there in Houston.
49:03
Speaker 3: You have Damiko Ryans, you have CJ. Stroud and Will Anderson, they.
49:07
Speaker 1: Swept NFL Honors, Steve.
49:10
Speaker 3: They had the offensive and defensive rookies of the Year,
49:13
Speaker 3: and now you have a boatload of salary cap space
49:17
Speaker 3: to go out and build around this young nucleus that
49:19
Speaker 3: we saw play so well. That is a team that
49:22
Speaker 3: won a playoff game when they lost more games than
49:25
Speaker 3: any team in football over the previous three They could
49:27
Speaker 3: be the team that sneaks maybe I don't know.
49:30
Speaker 1: Into the Super Bowl. That would be wild.
49:31
Speaker 3: I still think the Bills are right there with the
49:33
Speaker 3: back half of the season the way they played as well.
49:36
Speaker 3: If they can do that for the duration of a season,
49:38
Speaker 3: that would be something that obviously we'd like to see
49:41
Speaker 3: out of Buffalo. There's a couple of show things you
49:43
Speaker 3: got to update us on here, Steve.
49:45
Speaker 6: Yeah.
49:45
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we are now going to be going to seven
49:48
Speaker 2: pm Eastern time, no longer seven fifteen as you're seeing
49:51
Speaker 2: here on the promo. We will be back next Thursday,
49:55
Speaker 2: coming up with Falcons general manager Terry Funt. No how
49:58
Speaker 2: aggressive are they going to be to get a quarterback JP.
50:01
Speaker 2: And next Tuesday, not Monday, next Tuesday. We'll be back
50:06
Speaker 2: because of the holiday. Please do not forget that this
50:09
Speaker 2: is a podcast, JP. Enjoy the parade in Kansas City
50:14
Speaker 2: and don't believe something out for our guy LC.
50:17
Speaker 1: That's right, buddy, that's right. We had a wonderful time
50:20
Speaker 1: in Vegas.
50:21
Speaker 3: Got a chance to see Steve quite a bit in person,
50:23
Speaker 3: not virtually. It's much preferred to see Steve Wytch in
50:26
Speaker 3: person as opposed to over this camera. All right, guys,
50:29
Speaker 3: see you all on Thursday with Terry Fana