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Dynastic - Chuck Todd & J.A. Adande interview Steelers legend Rocky Bleier about his INCREDIBLE life · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome to the second of our two episodes on
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  Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. In the first one, J and I
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  Speaker 1: chronicled the Steelers history from the nearly total futility of
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  Speaker 1: their first thirty five years to their dominance in the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventies and beyond. So today we're gonna interview one
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  Speaker 1: of the key players from those nineteen seventies teams. Robert Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: Rocky blyer If Kerry Bradshaw, Joe Green, Lyn Swan, John Stalworth,
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  Speaker 1: Franco Harris were the Steelers stars in the seventies. Flyars
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  Speaker 1: was the Hearts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was an undersized and overachieving halfback on Notre
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  Speaker 2: Dame's nineteen sixty eight National championship team, and he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: seen as much of a pro prospect. In fact, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't drafted by the Steelers until the sixteenth round of
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  Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty eight draft. That's when they used to
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  Speaker 2: have sixteen rounds, so he would have been undrafted in
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  Speaker 2: the modern era. And then he was also drafted by
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  Speaker 2: the US Starn Forces in the draft in Vietnam in
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  Speaker 2: that era and in August in nineteen sixty nine, and
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  Speaker 2: he was severely wounded when his company was ambushed and
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  Speaker 2: he was airlifted to Tokyo. The doctors removed over one
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  Speaker 2: hundred shrides shards of shrapnel from Blyer's shredded foot in
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  Speaker 2: his leg, and the best case scenario there hoping was
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  Speaker 2: that he would walk without a limp. They classified him
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  Speaker 2: as forty percent disabled. Playing football again in the NFL
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  Speaker 2: did not seem like it was in the cards.
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  Speaker 1: And yet, during the long rehab for Blyer, a note
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  Speaker 1: arrived from Steeler's owner, Art Running, and it simply said, Hey, Rock,
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  Speaker 1: the team's not doing well. We need you. And so
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  Speaker 1: eventually Blyer teams up with Franco Harris to form one
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  Speaker 1: of the most successful backfield duos in the history of
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. A fierce blocker in front of Harris, Blyer
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  Speaker 1: was also a skilled runner and pass catcher. Over eleven seasons,
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  Speaker 1: he rushed for nearly four thousand yards twenty three touchdowns
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  Speaker 1: and caught one hundred and thirty six passes for over
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  Speaker 1: twelve hundred yards and two more scores.
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  Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy five, Blyer received the NFL's George Hallis Award,
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  Speaker 2: given to the player who overcomes the most adversity to succeed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'd say so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say so.
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  Speaker 2: Since his retirement, Blyer has regularly spoken to veterans groups
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  Speaker 2: and he's advocated on behalf of veterans' causes. We hope
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  Speaker 2: you'll enjoy our interview with him.
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  Speaker 1: And joining us now is one of the legendary Pittsburgh Steelers.
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  Speaker 1: It's none other than Rocky Blyer. Rockey, It's great to
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  Speaker 1: see you.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, same here, Dux. Thank you very much. Nice to
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  Speaker 3: be with you. Jay.
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  Speaker 1: So we're talking about the you know, this iconic franchise
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  Speaker 1: that you became a part of. But let's get to
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  Speaker 1: your origin story. You were drafted twice in some ways,
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  Speaker 1: probably the only guy that NFL player that can say
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  Speaker 1: they were drafted in back to back years. Not the
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  Speaker 1: way you want to be drafted. You go from winning
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  Speaker 1: a national title to being drafted to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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  Speaker 1: Just talk about that eighteen months for you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, so I met the University of Notre Dame,
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  Speaker 3: and you know we did. We had great success while
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  Speaker 3: I was there and and with a great team, and
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  Speaker 3: we won a national championship my junior year, and I
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  Speaker 3: became captain of the team my senior year, and we
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  Speaker 3: lost a couple of games, but you know, my whole
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  Speaker 3: career there was pretty good. I was the sixteenth round
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  Speaker 3: of the Pittsburgh Steelers at that time, only because there
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  Speaker 3: was a scout from the Steelers that just you know,
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  Speaker 3: you need to draft them now in the you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the latter rounds. And so, so I was drafted
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  Speaker 3: by the Steelers and came to training camp that year
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  Speaker 3: and h and ultimately made the team. And so and
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  Speaker 3: made the team probably through the good fortunes of the
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  Speaker 3: Rooney family or you know, whatever they saw. There's only
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  Speaker 3: six of us that made the team of everybody drafted. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so everybody was drafted, so first, second, third round, I
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  Speaker 3: should say first second, there's two three round two in
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  Speaker 3: the third round that we made the team, a twelfth
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  Speaker 3: pick and sixteenth round pick, and so played special teams primarily.
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  Speaker 3: You know that year then and we got to put
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  Speaker 3: it back in time and in the frame was nineteen
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  Speaker 3: sixty eight. So what else was taking place, Well, the
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  Speaker 3: Vietnam War was taken place nineteen sixty It was the
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  Speaker 3: height of the war. We had most soldiers over in
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  Speaker 3: Vietnam over six hundred thousand at the time, and so
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  Speaker 3: it was right at the pinnacle of the draft. Now everybody,
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  Speaker 3: So the story goes, you know, you're you've got a
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  Speaker 3: student deferment and I'm in training camp with the UH
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  Speaker 3: with the Steelers when I get my my one a
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  Speaker 3: classification change from the student defartment that I had. So
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  Speaker 3: I get this and I take this letter to the Steelers,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, and and show them. They said, well,
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  Speaker 3: we think you're good enough to make the team. We'll
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  Speaker 3: take care of this for you, meaning well, get me
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  Speaker 3: in reserve with the National Guard. Because that was it.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't mine.
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  Speaker 1: They did that with a lot of players. My my
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  Speaker 1: late father in law got in the Buffalo Bills. They
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  Speaker 1: got him to the reserves.
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  Speaker 4: I think, right, yeah, so that's if you're eligible at
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  Speaker 4: that time, you get into the reserve. You you did
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  Speaker 4: your duty, you served your country and in the draft
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  Speaker 4: or were in the reserve, which was all fine.
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  Speaker 3: So time goes on. Time goes on. Now it's September.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's October, and I hadn't heard anything from the
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  Speaker 3: Steelers UH and and so I I went to them
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  Speaker 3: and I said, do you know, have you heard anything
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  Speaker 3: from the draft? Well, see, the Congressman got defeated the
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  Speaker 3: general retired all the cont context and I said, okay, fine,
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  Speaker 3: well then I got it. Then it was November. Now
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  Speaker 3: it's December, and so we're in we're we're in uh
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  Speaker 3: uh over at Pitts Stadium. That's where we practice it things.
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  Speaker 3: So we're in the locker room and getting ready to
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  Speaker 3: go out to practice when one of the equipment guys
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  Speaker 3: holler over me said, hey, Blier, there's a letter over
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  Speaker 3: here for you. Now, in all locker rooms at that time,
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  Speaker 3: it was a table in the middle, you know that
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  Speaker 3: where all the fan mail would be deposited for the players. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: it was a place I had never visited from the
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  Speaker 3: first day of training camp up through the sixteenth game
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  Speaker 3: of the season, or because of the fact that not
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  Speaker 3: when you're the four hundred and seventeenth person picked in
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  Speaker 3: the draft, I mean, nobody knows you exists. My mother
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  Speaker 3: never even wrote me a letter during that period of time.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, that's a side, little side note. Anyway, So
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  Speaker 3: I go over there and I picked up the letter,
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  Speaker 3: opened it up very tenderly, took it out unfolded, and said, greetings,
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  Speaker 3: we'd like to inform you that you've been inducted into
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  Speaker 3: the armed services of your country. You get that letter
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  Speaker 3: at the dealers, not at your home yet. No, Well,
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  Speaker 3: so to report to report the next morning at eight
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  Speaker 3: am to be inducted into the armed services. So it
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  Speaker 3: was one of those letters ticket transferred to the mail
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  Speaker 3: and by the time I got it, you know, it
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  Speaker 3: was delivered to the steelers. H. So so the next
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  Speaker 3: morning I reported for UH two active duty. We were
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  Speaker 3: out in the field UH in the rice patties at
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  Speaker 3: that moment of time, and we were coming across the UH.
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  Speaker 3: We knew that then we were around. We didn't know
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  Speaker 3: what we were in an open, open rice patty when
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, our point man saw a movement
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  Speaker 3: in the burm and Howard gook gook, and shots broke
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  Speaker 3: the stillness and they started to run. You know, obviously
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  Speaker 3: we started to chase them. When all of a sudden
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  Speaker 3: the machine gun opened up in the area and the
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  Speaker 3: guys are diving left and right, and I jumped in
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  Speaker 3: a rice paddy to the left of me, pulling my
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  Speaker 3: hands and knees at the end of that rice patty
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  Speaker 3: and found four guys were pinned down and open and
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  Speaker 3: I saw the machine gun and my weapon that I
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  Speaker 3: was carrying was an M sixty nine grenade launcher, so
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  Speaker 3: my responsibility was get some firepower onto that position, and
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  Speaker 3: so I rolled over my side reached my grenade, when
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I felt the thud in my
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  Speaker 3: left leg and started burning bled. I was hit for
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  Speaker 3: the first time that day, discharged that round, dropped back
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  Speaker 3: behind some war protection until finally there was a lull
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  Speaker 3: in the action to some of my follow teen guys
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  Speaker 3: came over and so we went down into a secured
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  Speaker 3: area again another race patty when all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: the corner of my eyes saw a grenade come flying
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  Speaker 3: through the air and it hit my commanding officer right
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  Speaker 3: in the middle of the back and it bounced off
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  Speaker 3: of them and rolled between my satan. As I got
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  Speaker 3: up to jump, it blew up and blew up through
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  Speaker 3: my lower feet and legs. During that period of time
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  Speaker 3: and again where another fire fight until Sister Platoon fought
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  Speaker 3: its way down and finally dried just out of there.
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  Speaker 3: And then I spent the rest of my time in
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  Speaker 3: the hospital somewhere in Tokyo, and then came back to
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  Speaker 3: the States and I was the hospital for eight months.
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  Speaker 3: And went through three four operations that they had to
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  Speaker 3: go and fortunately, and fortunately, you know, it wasn't I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I was damaged, but I didn't lose a foot,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't lose a leg, and you know, and so
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  Speaker 3: it was a time of process of being able to
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  Speaker 3: just to heal and and and and and and it
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  Speaker 3: did it, and it was coming along. It was coming along.
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  Speaker 3: And so also at that period of time, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and I was thinking, okay, fine, my whole thing was
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  Speaker 3: getting back to the Steelers, and hopefully I get back
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  Speaker 3: to the Steelers. And so I know, I know that
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  Speaker 3: in the NFL that they if you're in the service,
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  Speaker 3: they had to or I shouldn't say this, not the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: but if you were employed or had an employee and
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  Speaker 3: you got drafted in the service at that time and
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  Speaker 3: you got out of the service, they had to take
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  Speaker 3: you back. Okay, they had to give you a job
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  Speaker 3: at the time. So I'm thinking, oh, okay, fine, they
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  Speaker 3: have to give me a job going back to steal it.
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  Speaker 3: So it's okay, I'll get back to them in November December.
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  Speaker 3: You know, whatever fantasy I had going on my mind,
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  Speaker 3: but that was my belief. And now all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: the military, the Army started to downsize their their their personnel,
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  Speaker 3: and so if you were on combat active duty, you
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  Speaker 3: could get an early out. You could get a five
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  Speaker 3: month early out. And somebody informed me of that him.
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  Speaker 3: I said, oh, you kid me. And I was still
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  Speaker 3: attached to the hospital and they said.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. When I said, well, when can I get out,
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  Speaker 3: they said, well tomorrow? You kidding me? Now? So I
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  Speaker 3: had to go through the process and get my paperwork
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  Speaker 3: all taken care of. And so he eventually did that
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  Speaker 3: and then flew home and then went back to the
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  Speaker 3: went back to the Steelers to try to make the
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  Speaker 3: team now and and and being the team that they
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  Speaker 3: were at that time in the ownership and the Rudy
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  Speaker 3: family was you know, they were great people. And Dan Rooney,
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  Speaker 3: who was the son of Art, then general manager team
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  Speaker 3: and trendy camp took its toll. I mean I was
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  Speaker 3: limping through training camp and so on. Chuck Knowle was
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  Speaker 3: the brand new head coach that year, and so I
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  Speaker 3: came so anyway, so he said we're going to release you,
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  Speaker 3: you know, go home. Do it's necessary. And I was.
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  Speaker 3: It was the last cut you know through training camp.
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  Speaker 3: He kept me as long as they possibly can, and
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  Speaker 3: he said, and we'll invite you back next year. And
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  Speaker 3: so I was disappointed. But the next morning I got
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  Speaker 3: a call from from Dan Routing and Dan said, I'm
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  Speaker 3: sorry I wasn't there. He said, I talked to Chuck
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  Speaker 3: said we're going to put you on injured reserve. Have
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  Speaker 3: our doctors take a look at you. And so I
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  Speaker 3: came back then, and that was in nineteen seventy two,
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  Speaker 3: and just coming into training camp, not knowing what it
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  Speaker 3: was a little bit bigger, and I said, so it
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  Speaker 3: was a leading ground gainer during the exhibition. See, I
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  Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, thank you very much. And he
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  Speaker 3: had to understand there were six games during the exhibition
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  Speaker 3: during that period, so good enough to make the team.
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  Speaker 3: Never carry the ball the regular part of the season.
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  Speaker 3: But that's okay, better than the year before. And I
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  Speaker 3: came back the following year and I was leading ground
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  Speaker 3: gainer again during the exhibition season, good enough to make
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  Speaker 3: the team got to carry the ball once during that
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  Speaker 3: period of time. And the interesting thing is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: as we progress, no matter what we may do, then
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, in my mind, the question is
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  Speaker 3: you know, to make the team again. To make the
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  Speaker 3: team again, I was going to have to fight with
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  Speaker 3: every free agent and draft choice and rookie once again
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  Speaker 3: just to be able to do it. I just didn't
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  Speaker 3: think it was fair, not that life's fair. I mean
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  Speaker 3: I did come back, think about it. I made the team,
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  Speaker 3: got a chance to play. I got five years credited
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  Speaker 3: in the NFL, enough for a retirement benefits, you know
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  Speaker 3: at that time, and so I thought, well, maybe that's
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  Speaker 3: my career, and I left the steepers to find my
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  Speaker 3: life's work. I was living in Chicago, actually, and it's
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  Speaker 3: the amazing thing about people that make an impact in
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  Speaker 3: one's life and can change it. I mean, this was
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  Speaker 3: a teammate of my Andy Russell.
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  Speaker 2: Was his name.
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  Speaker 3: He was captain of the team, Andy Claide, linebacker for US,
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  Speaker 3: and he was coming into Chicago. So he called me,
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  Speaker 3: you know, let's get together at the since the end
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  Speaker 3: of the season, blah blah, And I said, and I declined,
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  Speaker 3: and he pushed, and I declined, and he pushed again,
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  Speaker 3: and he said why And I said, well, I quit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going back. And he said, you can't quit.
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  Speaker 3: He said, if you quit, what you've already done. Think
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  Speaker 3: about it. What you've already done is you've already made
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  Speaker 3: a decision for that coaching staff. Do you like them
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  Speaker 3: well enough to make decisions for them? He said, no.
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  Speaker 3: Your responsibility is that you come back and you make
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  Speaker 3: them make a decision. You back them in the corner.
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  Speaker 3: You give them every reason to either keep you or reissue.
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  Speaker 3: You don't cut yourself. I mean, the reality of this
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  Speaker 3: game is we're all expendable. Reality of this game is
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  Speaker 3: we all can be cut at any time. But if
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  Speaker 3: this is what you want, then you don't cut yourself.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe it was just the arm twisting I needed
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  Speaker 3: from an older brother I didn't have.
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  Speaker 2: I went back.
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  Speaker 3: Everything that I had perceived did take place, and I
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  Speaker 3: had a fight with every free agent draft trace of
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  Speaker 3: rookie once again be able to make the team leading
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  Speaker 3: ground game turned the expisi and I was the fifth
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  Speaker 3: running back out of four at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 3: season in special teams once again, you know. And then
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Frank o'harris are starting full back
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  Speaker 3: got hurt, the backup became the starter, came the backup
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  Speaker 3: to the backup who had never been there before. So
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  Speaker 3: with renewed vigure that first game, second game, third game,
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  Speaker 3: fourth game, right before the backup got hurt and I'm
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  Speaker 3: inserted in the game as a fullback along with my
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  Speaker 3: running mate, guy by the name of Preston Pearson. He
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  Speaker 3: finished his career at the Dallas Cowboy. But right before
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  Speaker 3: the half, Preston breaks one about forty seven yards down
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  Speaker 3: the sidelines that he scores, and we go on halftime
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  Speaker 3: with the lead. We go over assignment to Justin Sione,
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  Speaker 3: thinking myself, who's going to start the second half? Maybe
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  Speaker 3: those guys I got you the lead in the first half,
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  Speaker 3: we get to start the second half Preston nine. As
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  Speaker 3: a team we win that game, so we get to
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  Speaker 3: start the final week Preston and I and as a
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  Speaker 3: team we win that game and the week thereafter it's
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  Speaker 3: a Monday night game and nextra day of healing, Franco
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  Speaker 3: now becomes healthy. Damn, But that's okay. At least I
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  Speaker 3: got a chance to play show prove what I can do.
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  Speaker 3: And we had a pregame meal, and right after a
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  Speaker 3: pregame meal, we have a breakout leap when all the
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  Speaker 3: running backs get together, go over last minute assignment's adjustments
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  Speaker 3: and the backfield. Coach says to us. He said, Franco,
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  Speaker 3: you and Rock will start tonight voluntarily. I was quite confused.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know how we both could play the same
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  Speaker 3: position at the same time. When it dawned on me
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  Speaker 3: it was going to play the full back position. I
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  Speaker 3: was going to play the other running back position. Now
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  Speaker 3: nobody told me that. I wish I would have I
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  Speaker 3: been better prepared going to the game. But we get
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  Speaker 3: to start the game, and as a team we win
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  Speaker 3: that game. So we start the following week, and as
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  Speaker 3: a team we win that game. So we start the
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  Speaker 3: remaining part of the season, and we win the division.
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  Speaker 5: We go to the playoffs, and we win the playoffs,
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  Speaker 5: and we go to the super Bowl for the first time,
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  Speaker 5: and we win the Super Bowl, and we play six
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  Speaker 5: more years together Franco nine. We win three more Super
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  Speaker 5: Bowls after that, and in nineteen seventy six, Franco and
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  Speaker 5: I were the second set of running backs in the
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  Speaker 5: history of the NFL, each to gain a thousand yards
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  Speaker 5: rushing in the same year.
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  Speaker 3: And after twelve years, I retire. And I tell you
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  Speaker 3: that story kind of in context only because of the
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  Speaker 3: fact that no matter how determined one might be how
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  Speaker 3: passionate we are about what we do. There are times
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  Speaker 3: when you know, this seems like the world's going to
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  Speaker 3: fall on top of you, and you want to quit
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  Speaker 3: and move on. And I suppose the whole are of
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  Speaker 3: the stories said if I would have quit after those years,
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  Speaker 3: I would have never had the chance to play those
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: twelve years, or playing those four Super Bowls, or have
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: all those memories.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: What type of leader was Chuck Nole and what influence
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: did he have on the success of the team in
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: the seventies, Well.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: You know they leadership becomes very important in the successful teams.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: You know, and you know, and I tell people you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: or try to comparison to be a success if you
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: take a look at I'm going to if you take
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: a look at successful teams through the decades, and if
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: you go back, and I'm just I'm going back because
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I was a Packer fan growing up, because I grew
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: up in Wisconsin. But Packers of the sixties. If you
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: think about the Packers of the sixties, and then the
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Steelers of the seventies and the forty nine Ers of
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: the eighties, and the Cowboys of the nineties and the
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Pats and the Bills of two thousand and the Patriots
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: of twenty and ten in maybe Kansas City or with
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: these last you know, five years. If you look at
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: those organizations, you're going to find a commonality. And commonality
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: is one number one. It is definable head coaches in
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: each and every one of those cases. So leadership becomes
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: very to talent or people you can't win, let's be honest,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: if you don't have the talent to do so. And
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: then certainly creating a vision of what you want to
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: become by the head coach, by the ownership, and that
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: of course is to be the best. The most important
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: thing is getting everybody to buy into that vision along
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: the way. So all those things become very very important
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: in the stepping stone of successful teams. So if you
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: look at the Steelers in my in my point of
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: view is that mister Rooney, we've spent twenty five hundred
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: dollars and he brought a franchise in the National Football
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: League back in nineteen thirty three, and he moved a
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: north side sandlot football team here in Pittsburgh into the
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: fledging NFL. For the next forty years, it was a
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: team destined to lose why because that had no long
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: term vision, kind of operated on shore term games. You know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: do we here to bring some marque player now and
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: then just to be able to sell some tickets. Was
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: always kind of like the same wool Steelers. Wait till
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: next year, hopefully something will change. To some degree, it
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: took on the ore of the culture here in Pittsburgh.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Just tough, hard nose, green collar worker work than the
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: coal mine, steel mills, barges up and down the rivers,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: and it was kind of like the team. He come
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: in and you play the Steelers, and let me tell
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: you this, they would physically beat the cramp ont of
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: you never win. That was not part of the formulator,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: a physical fight. So mister Rudey as an owner coming up,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: you know, he would hire friends, you know, are not
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: necessarily great coaches, but friends you know they ain'tknew and
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: he'd come in and you know they'd have losing the
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: seasons and so on. And then then Dan Rudey, to
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: be Art's son, you know, came of age and took
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: over and so he brought it into the twenty first century,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: so to speak. In finding the right people and so
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: in his process of getting the brand new coach, not
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: coaches that they had in the past. But in getting
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Chuck Noll, it went through you know, he went through
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: a series of interviews and understanding and so on, and
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: what Chuck brought, and what Chuck brought was a kind
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: of a no nonsense understanding. You know, he'd been very
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: successful as an assistant coach with the Cleveland Browns, with
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the Baltimore Bolts, they had just gone to the Super Bowl.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: He had been there for three years. He played seven
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: years of Cleveland Browns during championship years. So what he
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: brought was kind of a will to win. And he
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: was and he was really a professor, a teacher of
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: what it takes to have successful teams. So he experienced
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: himself playing UH, and he wanted to bring that and
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: then and UH. And he was kind of a non
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: nantse not no nonsense kind of a head coach, very
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: fundamental getting his assistant coaches UH in that that that
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: that he had that he that he had coached with
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: in the past, bringing them in UH and then being
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: able to go through. He wasn't he wasn't a players
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: coach necessarily wasn't he wasn't a hug you kind of
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: a guy. He's a great job a fact. As a
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: matter of fact, the story is that I remember up
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: in training camp. So we go to training camp, and
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: so after after after practice, you know, in the afternoon.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: So we have a practice in the afternoon. Then and
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: from there we usually went to dinner, and then after
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: after dinner, really we'd have a team meeting. So I
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: can remember one time I have walked out of the
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: mess mess hall at at the college we went to
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: training camp, and I made the mistake. I stopped and
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: looked around. It was a beautiful afternoon, you know, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: so I was just trying to take it all in
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: when all of a sudden, Chuck was standing next to
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: me and I said, hey, coach, are you He said fine,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: And now we had to walk back together to the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: meeting hall, which was a distance away. And our conversation was, yeah,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: the weather's pretty good. Yes it is, uh huh, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: we've had some good practices.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, we have to start walking faster.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: No, I said, uh, you can say a few coach,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: if you wouldn't mind. I I have to go see
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the trainer. I didn't have to put I go see
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the And before we went to the meeting, he said, okay, fine.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: So it was like I took a turt and ran down,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: ran down the side, went around, peked and see if
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: he was still walking this way. And I was ahead
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: of him, and so I snuck back into the and
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: into the hall and before he went to the anyway. So,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: so Chuck was not that kind of a you know, hey,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: good kind of guy. But he was very fair and
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: if anything, if anything, if he had any concern about
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: you or had something to say to you, he would
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: do it in a private matter, never in front of
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: the other teammates or system coaches. If he had some
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: something he want it would be you know, he might
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: take him to his office or something. And so I always,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I guess I always appreciate it because
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: you never want to be yelled at, you know, especially
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: by the head coach. And and so I thought it
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: was I thought it was terrific. He allowed his players
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: to be his players, and his assistant coaches to uh
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: to do their job or their responsibility. Now they all
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: had to report back to him, like offense and in
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: the defense, and you know, he would just simply say, okay,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: what's the offensive game plan? And then they would say, okay, fine,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: this is yeah, this is what we're running. And his
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: usual question, the only thing you would say was why
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: why if you can explain it, and it was fine,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: you know, then this is what we're trying to do.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: So because of that, you know it just there was
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: some distance, but a great deal of respect for his
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: leadership and how he approached things and in his expectations
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: of his players.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: He had a front row seat as you saw Terry
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Bradshaw try to become the starter, and there was obviously
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: quite the QB competition and it became a big public
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: became a fan debate. What did you see in Terry?
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And when did you know he was the guy?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: It's one thing for coaches to know, it's another thing
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: for teammates to know. When did you know.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: That's right? Well? You know, so part of it, I mean,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: part of me is so it took some time, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I mean because now it wasn't until seventy four did
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: they get a chance, you know. So, so he came
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: in and so you have to understand those early years.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: So he came in. Terry Hanriady was was was god.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Joe Gillam was the other quote at the other quarterback,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I should say. And so it was like Terry didn't
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: set the world on fire. Well maybe sometimes he set
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: the world on fire because some games were terrible, you know.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: So I mean, so he would start hand Terry and
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, Chuck would take him out,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: and then Terry Hanratty would start, and then Joe Gillham
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: would come back in, and then Bradshaw would come back
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: in and he'd have a bad game than never. But
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: you know, so it was trying to find out, you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: and ultimately, ultimately, uh, you know, Terry Terry had a sense.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Terry had a great arm. I mean, he had a
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: great ability to be able to throw the football, but
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: he was also you know he also uh at times
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: get into the huddle and he'd go, Okay, what do
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: you guys want to run? And you know it's so
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: offensive lineman or so they'd go, hey, yeah, you know,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: we're let's run this with this and and you know
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: it may sound funny too, but it but it really
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: people took response building. I mean, if they're gonna we're gonna,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: we're gonna mention something. Then if we're gonna run, hey,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: we need to run this play. You know, we're gonna
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: run this trap player or whatever it might be. Now,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: you're gonna make it work.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think Terry meant to do that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: I just think he was saying, okay, fine, what do
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: you you know? The first three plays, we're predetermined, you know,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: before we and then then Terry get to the point
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: where you go, okay, fine, and you know, you call
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: the game. It's home. But there were times when more
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: often you go, hey, what do you guys? What's working?
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: What's not working? And so he got the team, you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: and then you get so you get offensive linement. No
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: one ever talks of them. Now they got a voice,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: you know, hey, we got this, we got this, we
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: got this.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they wanted to run block right so that
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: benefit Ye.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: And Lyn Swan and John Starworth. You know, they wanted
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: to I'm open, I'm open.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: There's receivers are always open, aren't they always open?
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: So they were always so but it worked, you know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and and and what Terry brought was his ability to
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: make things work, you know, coming up with a big
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: place yet great arm and and ultimately you know, his
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: personality was able to help interact with that the offensive
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: line and you know, and and the rest of the players.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: So you know, it just was coming to nature and
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: you're just you know, you look back and it's just
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: fortunate to be in a place at that time, you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: with those qualities. You know, players that uh and that
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: did their job and really did it well.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: What was your vantage point and your memory for the
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: immaculate reception and what did that play?
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: You don't want my advantage point, You don't want my advantage,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: but I'll tell you anyway. So my advantage I'm on
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: the sidelines. I'm on the sidelines. So you know frenchies
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: a Frenchy fal and uh is it is the is
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: the running back at that time, So uh the Frenchie
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: and Franco in the air in the backfield and uh
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: so with what twenty twenty three seconds that it was
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: called it was a pass play, and so Bradshaw's got
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: the ball. Now I'm on the sidelines. I'm on the
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: side of one of the players on the sidelines. The
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: clock's sticking away, you know, So we moved the ball
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: down to what we were on the fifty one yard
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: line or whatever it was, forty eight yard line, it's
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: on a third down. Now it's uh and and so
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: all snapped. Bradshaw drops back, clock's ticking away way, he's
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: looking downfield, and he's looking downfield, and all of a sudden,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I see him release the ball. The intended receiver was Frenchifuqua,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: who is doing a little downard hook inside. Okay, but
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: my point on the sidelines clocks sticking on eighteen seconds left.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Whatever the situation was at that time, it was like,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: I can't watch this. And I turned and I turned,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: and I honestly got I turned and walked away from
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: the sidelines when all of a sudden, I hear this
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: roar take place, and I turned around and it was like,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: what happened? I didn't even see it. And I'm on
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: the team and I'm on the sidelines, and I missed
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: the whole thing. I used to like everybody else, like, hey,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I have to say this. Over the years, over the years,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I think I've run into one hundred and thirty six thousand,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: three hundred and fourteen people who told me personally they
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: were at the game to watch and saw the immaculate
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: reception taking place, and there was only sixty four thousand
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: seats at the time in that stadium. I said, I
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: was there and I didn't even see it. Oh yeah,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: I saw it. I said, No, you didn't see it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I said, you didn't see it because much like my
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: reaction is that at times, when all of a sudden,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: you saw the ball release, you see Frenchie coming for
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: the ball, Jack Tatum comes behind it, and there's this
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: collision and the ball goes flying up the air. You're
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: a fan, what do you do? Oh my god? No,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: so you didn't see it, you did, not, say, Now,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: you might have saw it on the region.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: So that was was That's where I was on the sideline.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I missed the whole thing.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: That really light the fire in the Steelers Raiders. You know,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: it's really interesting to me about the Steeler rivalries. Right now,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: it's the Steelers, Ravens, Steelers Brown You could say it
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: was Steelers Oilers, but Steelers Raiders, right What would you say,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: what was your rival?
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Oh? That's right, you know, I mean it. Well, the
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: rivalry with the with the Raiders were they was their attitude?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: You know, they they were dominant team and we get
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: a chance to play them and at least once a year,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: you know, right, but they're you know, but the Raiders,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: and it's just this cocky work. You know, the Raiders
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: were the Raiders, you know, so it's just how they were.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Al Davis guys, it's freaky.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: And so it was our to America's team, you know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: so it's America.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Well that's beat us.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: It's all. So that was that was a perception. So
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: we had a chance to play them, uh and and
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: we had our you know, we had our great games
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: against one another. And then obviously the market reception was
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: to you know, they had they had the lead and
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: so on. So we come back with it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: What's the legacy of those nineteen seventies dealers in your mind?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: You know, it's I mean, the legacy is if you look, well,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: what they were able to accomplish within the seventies and
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: especially with the history of the team up to that
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: point of time, they're never winners, they are never contenders.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, you get a brand new
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: cook comes in and any get a team that moles together,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: and you know, you get seventy four and seventy five
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: and then seventy six. You know, the seventy six season
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: was a was the epitome of a reflection on what
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: that team was, losing four of the first five games,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: and then in the remaining nine games they shut out
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: or we shut out five of those opponents, allowing twenty
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: three points scored minus yards rushing. I mean, that was
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: the you know, it was like it was, you worked hard,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: you had the super Bowl, you had the super Bowls,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: and then every there's no teams every one three in
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: a row. Why because now you're on top everybody. Every
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: game you play is a super Bowl or a mini
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: super Bowl. Everybody wants to beat you and they will,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: you know, do their best to do so. And so
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: we lost of those as I said, first four to
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: for the first five games, and then all of a
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: sudden it clicked for us and having the team. The
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: unfortunate thing, whether it be the case or not, is
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: that Franko and I got hurt and we we couldn't
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: play in the playoff game, and we lost the playoff
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: game or with the championship game, not that we've but anyway,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: so that's my excuse. But that was the team. That
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: was the team that was that was that was built.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: So and then I always tell people today just as
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: a little I said, you know, now you have to
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: understand the Steelers and the success of the Seelers. So
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, you go, Chuck Mill
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: comes in and seventy seventy one, seventy two, for you know,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: they're getting a little bit better. He goes one at fourteen,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: then he goes six and eight, and then eight and six,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: and then seventy two. You know, the Open Raiders get
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: to the into the playoffs. Seventy three, you know, we
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: we get to the playoffs again. And so it was
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: like and then nineteen you know, and then nineteen seventy
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: four took place. But it was a build up, you know.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: So it was a built up. So we win in
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: seventy four and went up in seventy five. I told people,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: I said, in nineteen seventy six, Pete Roselle, commissioner of
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: the NFL, called mister called mister Ronney and he said, listen,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: he said, I'm getting a lot of pushback from other
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: owners within this league about favoritism and domination by you guys.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Would you mind taking a couple of years off and
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: so and so we did. So we took a couple
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: of years off and then we said, well, heck, whether
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: we gotta we gotta come back. And then so anyway,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: so so then we had seventy eight and in seventy
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: nine as as as teams, and then we start to
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: become of age and getting older and things started to
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: but anyway, but it was I don't know, it was
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: a stepping stone for the for the character of players
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: that we had, the creation of those players that they
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: were there, that that they were there for that period
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: of time. That would not happen today. We would not
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: have that many players that were now in the Hall
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: of Fame because of that success or he would still
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: be on the on the team today, you know, and
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: so that that part of the game is you know,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: has affected maybe there was longevity of championships. So you
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: just you just go back and you know, for me
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: personally and saying, hey, just being able to be there
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: at the right time, how lucky can one be to
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: have that experience.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: You have for Super Bowls?
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Is there one that matters more to you?
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: For me? Super Bowl thirteen, second time that we played
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys, the one that.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: That was really to decide whose decade it was.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was for the decade.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Well, well, well that was that was that was true.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: But the primary reason was primary reason because I scored
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: the head go it touchdown and made the cover of
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated, not to take anything. Oh there it is
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: a pump. So that was my favorite.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: You've mentioned Rooney several times, and you can't talk about
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the Dealers without talking about the Ruineys. And I wondered
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: just how much you felt their presence on a daily
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: or weekly basis. How involved were they, you know, at
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: that down to the player level.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, you know, so I actually it involved you know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I mean over a period of time. But they were,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: they were involved. They I mean they did you know,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: have a say show Dan, you know, or a member
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: of the Rooney family was always a general manager, head
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: of you know, head of the draft, and you know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: and so they did, they interacted with the with with
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Chuck and uh or they head coaches, I should say,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: you know, during that that process and so so they're
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: very much involved in in decision making. Uh and uh,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: you know, draft choices to some degree. And uh, you know,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I I saw I saw it somewhat in this year's
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: draft by the Steelers. And and I'm not saying that
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: anything happened. But it was very much like the young
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: quarterback that they die from the Naval Academy in the
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: seventh round, I think or eighth round that they got
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: up to you. That was that was like it was
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: a Pittsburgh kid played well, Naval Academy, We're taken up
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: and he was still available, you know. So I know
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: that I know that that I wrot he had some
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: input in the decision of that player.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: There was a story President Biden told after Franco died
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: about how you and Art Rooney flew out to be
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: with Biden and his sons after their mother and sister
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: were killed in a car accident.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Tell us about.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: That, Are you taking me back into you know, some memories?
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: The I don't. The fact was that it was I mean,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: it was important. It was important to us, uh at
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: that time because of the relationship that had been been built,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: just to be able to express her our empathy and
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: our gratitude and to be able to do that with voice, uh,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: with some of the players and with the Rooney family.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: You know, it's so yeah, yeah, so we you know,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: so we went and it was just things like that,
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: you know, really tie you to you know, your experience,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: the tire to what the important things in any relationship
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: takes place in any organization. And so you talked to
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: you talk to former Steelers, you talk to you know,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: former teammates of during that period of time, and it
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: was because of the family, It was because of those relationships.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: It was because they cared and they would you know,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: make decisions not based on success or what needs to do,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: but what they felt was the right thing to do
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: at that time. And you know, and so that I was,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: you know, So that's another example of that relationship that
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: took place where still takes place with the family and
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: and the players.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Rocky used the phrase the life's work, which was I know,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: a key phrase that that Chuck Noll used and the
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: tile of a book about the Steelers. And how much
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: did that that that family, the overall feeling that the
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: camaraderie that you guys developed, how much has that continued
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: even in it today?
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, you know, I think I think for you know,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: I think if you talked to to my teammates, if
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: you talk to those who who had played during that
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: period of time, and it and then continued from from
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: the next decade on and the next decade on who
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: had that interaction with with a family, no matter what
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: their what the record might be, or what success they had.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: But I think that just having that experience of being
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: able to just be in touch with them, you know
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: that they're not on a pedestal and you'res you know,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: some place that it's all part of the growth of
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: what they represent and what the Steelers are really representing.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: And it's and it's the fan base and the players
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: and its ownership all coming together, built out of you know,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: out of the seventies and the eighties and the nineties
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: and to where we are today. And I think that
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: becomes I think that's very important from a player's point
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: of view, that you feel accepted or that you feel
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: a part of something rather than just being an instrument
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: in a game or a player in a game.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: So a former Packers coach is now the coach of
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: the Steelers. So this is your your your boyhood team
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: is borrowing and now in h is this gonna work?
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: You ready?
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: It will be? Well that's always the biggest question, you know,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: is it going to work?
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: And and uh and and I said, all I asked
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: to do is win. There you go he's the greatest
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: decision that's ever been. But I think what might you know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I think what Mike brings is a sense of it
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: in everything that he's done. But he brings a sense
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: of value. So he's from Pittsburgh, so he's got that
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: that that sense about him. He's been in successful organizations
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers, with the Dallas Cowboys, and so he's
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: had that success and in the interest in The interesting
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: thing is that, yeah, it's a small little I just
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: you I read in the paper where he will be
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: calling the plays from the sidelines, and and it was
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: just one of those things like ah, like Chuck called
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: the place from the sidelines. You know, it's like, Okay,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: it's not I don't have a I don't have an
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator that's calling the place, or I don't have
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: somebody else that it's I'm calling the place because it's
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: our team or my you know, and I'm the head
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: person here. So there'sn't going to be any discussion.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: It all reflects back on me, you know, now whether
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: or not that works out, But that I just thought,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: you know, he made that statement to be able to
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: do it. And so I also think that this is
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: only my personal thing that in the eva development of
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: or involvement of the NFL today isn't like when Okay,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't like when Chuck was here, you know,
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: or even the over the last nineteen twenty years, it
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: has changed, you know. So what you need is that
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: ability how can I say this, That ability to be
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: a young, up and coming coach in his thirties, you know,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: been an assistant coach. Building is with a team, maybe
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: some success like Chuck, you know, all of a sudden
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: getting the chance to be with Baltimore and then three
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: years of as an assistant coach, now becomes a head coach. Okay,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: that does not is not going to exist anymore because
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: it's now like a CEE CEO. Now you are coming
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: in with experience. So what you need because of the draft,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: because of free agency, getting the right players, they're only
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: going to be here for a small period of time,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: or it seems like you don't build that base like
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: you'd done in the past, and you have to be
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: able to have the right selections and how do I
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: get him to work together? So you need a guy
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: with the experience, and that's what Mike brings to the
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Sealer organization at this time.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Rocky is you implied you don't want to be stuck
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: in the past, but it is fun to revisit the past.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: We really want to thank you for helping us get
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: some insight into those legendary times with that legendary team.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: So this is a pleasure for me. Thank you so much, Rocking.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: We need to bring full back back to the NFL.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: They're coming back, right, We got a feel. Yeah, bring
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the full back.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: We need to have you know, it's control. Get those
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: that running game gone. My goodness, gracious, that was the.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Well man.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: That was as good as I hoped for. He was
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: a great storyteller.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty cool. When one of the earliest
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: memories I have of the NFL involved Rocky Blyer and
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: here we were with the chance to talk to him,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: and one of the things that that stood out was
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: the notion that it wasn't instantaneous, you know. And he
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: started off telling us how long he had to wait
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: to play in the NFL because he was drafted right,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: and just how slow that process was.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: How about today's NFL. You know, you're running back and
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: you're not starting by your fourth or fifth year you're
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: not getting another chance.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: So the crazy thing, I looked it up while we
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: were talking to him. His first year one rushing attempt.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: His second year he told us three rushing attempts, and
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: then his fourth year he gets eighty eight, which is
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: second on the team to Franco Harris. So yeah, just
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: multiple years of your career just waiting to get regular carries.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: But he said the magic thing, and it's this is
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: true of great wide receivers, this is true of running
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: backs that you're like, how come they end up starting
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: a nun? The ones that can block get the start.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: And it was the fact that he is, well, you
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: needed the sixth offensive lineman, and that's what you know.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: If your running back would be the sixth offensive lineman,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: you're going to go play to.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Be valuable without touching the ball. The other thing that
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I found fascinating was that he said the seventy six
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: team might have been their best. That was not one
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl teams, but they started one and four,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: then they win nine straight, and then he said him
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: and Franco got hurt and so they couldn't really compete
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs the way they wanted to. But you know,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: this kind of untold the story of the seventies Steelers
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: that we might have we might not remember the best
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: of the bunch.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of great teams where you
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: hear that, you know, I think about it with some
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: of my favorite teams and they'll say, you know, the
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: best team was this one that didn't win It was
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: the year before. You know, people will talk about in
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: the Hurricanes and eighty six Hurricanes that that was the
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: greatest team, the Fatigues team, you know, but they didn't
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: win the big game. Right, So there is something you
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: hear this a lot with different franchises that you know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: that was the best team. They just didn't win it
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: all that year. They won it the next year, right,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Manning's Tennessee teams, you know, they win it the after
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: he leaves.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: And then finally we talk about, you know, the Steelers,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: and we focused so much in the main episode about
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: the talent and the drafting, and the story then was
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: the story of the draft. But when he articulated the
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: three things that he thought were key to a great franchise, leadership, talent,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: and vision. So the players are only one of the
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: three key elements that he thought were the most important
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: of their success.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: And he really underscored the importance of Dan Rennie, didn't he.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: I mean Art, Art was the businessman. Dan had the vision.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so great, great insight from Rocky Blyer there and
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that was time for our Greatest Game segment, in which
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Chuck and I opine are the most important and most
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: thrilling games in the team's history. Chuck, who you got
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: for the Steelers? I think I know which direction you're going.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Well, look, this is this is such a weird attempt
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: for this franchise because how there's there's even though they've
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: won six Super Bowls. The greatest game is the immaculate reception, right, Like,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: how do you It's tough to do that and we
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: get caught. We We've spent so much time in the seventies,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: so I think we are I'm going to set the
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: immaculate reception aside. So I'm going to say so, and
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I want to pick a couple that aren't in the seventies.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to give you one the bus's last ride.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Jerome Bettis comes home to Detroit. Remember it's his that's
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: his home, that's where he grew up. It's right before
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: he wins his ring before retiring. It was it was
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: a kind of a messy game over the Seahawks. It
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: wasn't the most beautiful super Bowl.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Roethlisberg was at his best.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: But there, you know, I will confess that I feel
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: like bett as the bus. We you know that it's
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: sometimes because when you talk about the greatness of the Steelers,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: the seventies are such a dominant era. But boy, the bus,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: the bus would have belonged on those seventies tapes, right,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: And it was great that he got one. So I'm
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna nominate that because I want to give
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Bettis's due.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: But to me, the more thrilling game for that team
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: was the AFC Championship at Indianapolis and the bus bumbles.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: They're about to go for the for the game deciding touchdown,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: he fumbles and uh, you know it.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Was that the Harbaugh near miss Hail Mary.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Not that one that was another great one that was
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. This was in Indianapolis and Roethlisberger, uh, you know,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: it's on the ground and like reaches up and and
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: trips and defenders saves you know, what would have been
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: the touchdown and uh, you know, then they come down
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: to vanderjack way wide right on the field goal attempt.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: It was like a forty five degree angle and it misses,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: and the bus gets a reprieve and they go on
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl. Like, to me, that's a more
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: memorable game. It was.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: It was, It was. It was sort of the capstone
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: aspect a bet us. That's a fair point. That's a
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: fair point.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: What you got. But I I'm still stuck with that
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Super Bowl thirteen and thirty five, thirty one,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: A thrilling game and one of the great Super Bowls ever,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: So I think if we're going to talk about greatest games,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: how about one of the greatest franchises and certainly the
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: one that set the standard first franchises. Right. Yeah, but
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you know, the Steelers, the victors in that game, that
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: was their greatest of their Super Bowl. So they've got
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: six and that was their third of the nineteen seventies.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: I guess final technically of the nineteen seventies, because the
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: next one they won it was that seventies era team,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: but it was technically in nineteen eighty. So Super Bowl
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: thirteen in Miami, Steelers thirty five, Cowboys thirty one that
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: that's the one that will always stand out for me.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: We probably shouldn't.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: If we're going to do one more non seventies game,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: you got to do. We got to do super Bowl
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: forty three. Yeah, I mean san Antonio Holmes, right, I
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: mean that one. The comeback first.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Of all, touch down, the interception return at the end
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: of the half.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Right, it was unusual. You know who saw the Arizona
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Cardinals coming, But it was sort of the the rebirth
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: of Kurt Warner, and he wills that team to the
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, a team that probably had no business getting
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, and then they were almost gonna
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: win it.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: And then the great toe tap catch by Santonio Homes.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: And it's fitting that, you know, Roethlisberger gets a game clinching,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: deciding TV. He was one of the great clutch quarterbacks.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: So for him to lead that that two minute drive
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: down to the victory, I think it's fitting that he
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: has that on his resume. It really captures some of
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: the greatness.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get in the Hall of Fame.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think so that although his like the start
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: of his career was as good as anyone's, you know,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: and then the way it rings faltered a little bit. Yeah,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, he gets to the AFC Championship Game as
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: a rookie. You just don't see at that offense a
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: rookie starting quarterback. So he got off to this tremendous start,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: but it just couldn't sustain. So I think you know
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: that that that lack of sustained high level excellence, it
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: felt like you had to be reminded of his greatness.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: That's kind of some of the standards I go to be.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Reminded because you go Big Ben and Eli Manning, where
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: two each.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not an ELI guy. Like those are the only
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: years I think that he won any playoff games for
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: the years that he went to the Super Bowl other
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: than that. Yeah, so certainly I didn't have an issue
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: that he didn't get in on his first try at it,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: the first time he was eligible. But I I could
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: live just fine if he didn't get in.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Do you think two Super Bowl rings as a starting
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: quarterback is an automatic, especially.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: When it's two m vps.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: You think it needs to be two Super Bowl and vps.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Well, which is what Eli has, but it's it's yeah,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: it's got to be a total I mean, you know,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: that the the sort of defining thing is can you
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: tell the history of the game without them? Right? And
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: and especially as a quarterback, you know, did they or
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: the other criteria I used, did they dominate and define
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: their era? And it didn't feel like ELI did that.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Let me go back to Big Ben and and make
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: one small case, h there was Peyton, there was Brady,
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  Speaker 1: and when they didn't make it, it was Ben and.
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  Speaker 2: Then and there and there was some far in that era,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: but also Donovan McNabb. You know, let's let's not sleep
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: on don But I was.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Just thinking about more of the AFC, right, Yeah, that big
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: a FC rival. It always felt like it was coming
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: down to Peyton and Brady and then if it wasn't them, right,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: it was it was Big Ben and then the one
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: year of Joe Flacca. But but I hear you, it's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: a it's Big Ben is not getting into that Hall
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: of Fame in the next ten years. He's one of
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: those that it couldn't you know when they look back
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: the second chances, Yeah, yeah, when you get the veterans committees. Yeah,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: So we're going to wrap this up. I'm going to
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: pose the first questions. This one comes from Matt from
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Paso Robletz, California, and he writes, Chuck Nole is widely
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: seen as a great coach, and it's four super Bowl
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: championships back that up. But isn't part of being a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: great coach communicating with players. Listening to the two of
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: you describe how emotionally remote he was. I wonder if
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: he was as great a coach as everyone says, what
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: do you think?
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  Speaker 2: And it's kind of amplified by this story that Rocky
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Blier told they're walking off and he's just kind of like,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: this is awkward and the make up some excuse to
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  Speaker 2: end this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, in fairness, and I think this is
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: one of those things that is just generational, right, Like
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: the model of the football coach when you and I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: were kids, were the silent types, right, Tom Landry, Yeah,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: distant Don Shula. These were not loud guys. You know,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: in fact, I would argue not till parcels do you have?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I mean Bill Walsh was a quiet guy, right, He
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't up there at the podium hollering or anything. And
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: you know there were the stoic, tough guy, right, And
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: it was almost like we're all going to be Lombardi, right,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: everybody was like doing a Lombardi impression.
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  Speaker 2: Until you get to Dick Vermil, who wasn't afraid to
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: show his emotions and to cry in front of you know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: and it was unusual and he was somewhat mocked for it.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: But he was very successful too. And he could be tough.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: He could do both. He could be a tough tusipinnaria
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: like I remember, you know, there'd be these sub freezing
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: games at Veteran Stadium in Philadelphia and Vermil wouldn't allow
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: his teams to have the heated benches, you know. So
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: he could be tough, but also he could break down
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: and start crying in a moment's nose. So I think
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Romil kind of ushered in the transition to the more
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: sensitive broach, you know. So, and Andy Reid feels like
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: a modern guy that that is relatable to the players.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: He has some funny commercials that he's in with those players. Right,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: you can't imagine Chuck Nole doing some of these State
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Farm commercials that Reid did with Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Let me let me think about this. Who in the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: NFL pre nineteen eighty in the coaching Ranks was ever
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: described as a players coach, right, that was just a
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: phrase you never even heard. There was no There was
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: no such thing. And in fact, the first time I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: remember hearing it, it felt like it was derision. Oh
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: he's a players coach, meaning he lets the players run
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: them over, right like that that was the implication.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: It was almost an explanation. So if a player liked
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: a coach who was maybe going to get fired, they'd say, oh,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: he's a player's coach. But you really, you know, you
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: didn't hear that about Orlandry right always a players coach.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: It's like no, and you know you want to win
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: and too, you know, just found the question. Like, to me,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: that doesn't diminish the greatness of his coaching ability if
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: he lacked those people skills, you know that. I think
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: I think the testament is the four Super Bowls. And
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: as Blier said that, you know that the the inspiration,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: the division, the leadership. You know, the first thing he
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: mentioned was leadership, and you can't say the Steelers did
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: not have that under Chuck Knowle.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: And one more point I'd make the matt On this
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: is how how we're describing Chuck Knowle, is how plenty
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: of Patriots describe Bill Belichick.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Loup. It's funny. I you know, knowing Robert
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Rory who played for Phil Jackson, you know, the greatest
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: NBA coach. He told me he supposedly Phil wouldn't talk
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: to me though he said Phil never talked to That's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: what he said. Phil never talked to me, you know.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: And this was a guy who played a pivotal role
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: in their championship runs. Phil didn't talk to me, So
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: that doesn't detract from Phil's greatness as a coach. Our
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: next question comes from Linda from Richmond, Virginia, who says,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: I had no idea Terry Bradshaw struggled so much in
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: his first year. Is how was he able to turn
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: things around? And I do think a lot of it
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: had to do with with just the fact that they
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: stuck with him, the patients, the backing that they had
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: that from no And then also keep in mind Blier
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: alluded to this too, that that a lot of times
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: the quarterback will call the plays back. Then you know,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: it wasn't coming down from on high for the offensive coiners.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: So you wonder if being more familiar with the defenses,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: getting more experience in that role as a play caller
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: and not just the quarterback enabled him to have a
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: better grasp of the offense and also to come up
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: with better ideas just having been through a multitude of scenarios.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: And the toughness too, you know, So toughness I think
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: sort of manifests itself over time, and the fact that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: he gained his reputation and I think the team believed
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: in it more as it went on. There might have
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: been some doubts earlier, but as they saw his toughness,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: I think you get the leadership aspect comes up.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting we learn how much how important
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Joe Green was in sort of putting his arm around
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Terry and almost making it making it clear this wasn't
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: going to be about race. This was about who was
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: going to be the best person. But to hear Rocky
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: talk about he'd go to the offensive line, Hey, what
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: do you guys think type of thing? You know, eventually
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: the players will let you know who the leader is
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: and and and the sense I'm getting more and more
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: to answer this question to Linda is just that he
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: just earned the here and the trust of the of
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: his teammates and that's how the and the coaching staff
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: must have sit seen that.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't walk in with it.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Gary from Pittsburgh Rights, Hey, I think
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: your podcast should focus on what athletes do on the field,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: not off it. Ben Roethlisberger was a great quarterback and
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: that's all that should matter for a show like yours.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's the opposite of what I show like ours
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: is design to do.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I think, first of all, Gary, I hope you heard
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: our long conversation about debating Big Ben into the Hall
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: of Fame, uh, and talking about the on field. Look
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: our whole you know, Jay and I are historians, journalists,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: and we're sports fans, and we're where you know, we
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: look at it all and and we want to paint
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: the whole picture. We don't plan the you know, we
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: don't want to linger, and we're here to celebrate. We
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: always say that we're here to celebrate the franchise, but
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: we don't want to put blinders.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: On you, you know, like I just don't think you know, O. J.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Simpson's obituary didn't say O J. Simpsons the record setting
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: running back as a trophy winner. You know, there were
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: a few more things that were involved in the lead paragraph,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: and you know, not to make that direct comparison, like like,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think Ben Roethlisberger's off field transgressions rise to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: the level of, you know, the first line or paragraph
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: of his obituary, right, I don't think that's how we remember,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: but it's a part of the story, and I do
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: think it's why you know, he's not more celebrated in Pittsburgh.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I think doos Steelers, Yeah, and so well, and he
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: clearly whatever happened with the team. I mean you've seen,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: right Bradshawn Roethlisberger had some issues, you know, so it
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: is it's this is probably not fair to say, but
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: it might be the reason he's not yet in the hall.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: I just think, you know, for the purposes of this show,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: you know, it's fundamental to the nature of this show
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: that we're going to look at the totality. I mean,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: our first our first episode was on the Los Angeles Dodgers,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: and Jackie Robinson featured prominently in there, and as well
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: as brand tricky and yeah, great baseball player, great baseball executive.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: But there's a lot more to it than.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: And just for the Steelers, you know, the Lund wasn't
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: on the field, but he was pretty important.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right. Final question stand from Hanover, Pennsylvania. Thank
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: he's a Steelers fan. Where's Hannover specifically? You know, is
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: that Western Pa? I'm not sure, but his question is,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: and it's in debate modes for its debate mode here,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: what's your take on who is the better coach? Cower
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: or Tomlin? It's it's a tougher one than you might think.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: And I ultimately I think I signed with Coward a
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: because he had to modernize the Steelers, you know, coming
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: out of the chuckn Nole era, and I think he
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: had to really oversee more of a transition.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: He had a harder he had a harder start, Yeah.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: You know, more of more of a lifting, lifting up
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: the team. And also he you know, we talked about
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: a little bit for example, the you know the way
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: that that he used slash Stewart, Cordell Stewart, you know,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: so someone he had to innovate a little bit and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: modernize and so more so than the than the challenge
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: that Tomlin did. And then you know, the knock on
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Tomlin is is the platformform. Obviously the credit to Tomlin
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: is greatest aspect. The number one line is that you know,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: never had a losing season, but he did have a
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: losing record in the playoffs overall for his career, eight
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: and twelve in the playoffs, where his Cower was twelve
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: and nine in the playoffs.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: It's I think you make a good I mean, I
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: know we're supposed to, like you know, I'm supposed to
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: somehow take the other side and let me tell out
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: and you know, you can make the case for Tomlin
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: and it's and it's you know, this isn't this isn't
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: a blowout, right, this is a pretty close But I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: think because you know, Tomlin got handed a team and
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: a new quarterback and all of that, and there was
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: a it was a little bit harder of a trand
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: what Cower had to do was much harder replacing the
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: you know, a guy who wons for super Bowls and
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: he has a succes. I mean in some ways that
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: his challenge was harder and so to find success. So
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: you have to I think he gets an extra point
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Well. To me, the challenge for Tomlin was that, you know,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: he'd deal with an injured Ben Roethlisberger very frequently and
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: then the aging Ben Roethlisberger and so finding a way
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: to win without Roethlisberger in the lineup consistently in the
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: latter years. And look, Tomlin's not the GM.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Thoma's not doing all the drafting. I would argue that
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: the if you're going to make, if you're going to
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: basically say, hey, here's Tomlin didn't have the best front office,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: didn't have the best drafts in the last four or
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: five years. I mean the fact that they had to
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: go get Aaron Rodgers to be their quarterback, right they
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: you know, the Kenny Pickett. The thing was, you know,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: so tom you know, if Chuck Nole benefited from incredible drafts,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: right and Kawer clearly did in the last years. You know, again,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Tomlin won the jam and so there was you know,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: he was having to make chicken salad, not quite out
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: of you know what, but he was making a lot
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: of chicken salad out of a lot of leftovers.
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• 1:12:43
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• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: before we sign off that there's a little bit of
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: a bonus episode or bonus content from our last you know,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: he's got more. I got to empty the notebook. And
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: after we recorded the episode, I happened to be going
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: through the DVR and I saw Roberto Clemente documentary that
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: I had recorded, and I sat and watched it. You know,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I guess I was feeling very Pittsburgh after all, all
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: the time that we spent, and I feel like it
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: ties in with our Steelers. You know, we talked so
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: much about how forward they were with integrating black players
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: and drafting black players from historically black colleges, and it
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: must have been something in the air. We don't think
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: of Pittsburgh as this epicenter, as this hub of racial
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: progress in the nineteen seventies, but it really was because
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: kind of in the midst of the Steelers draft era,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Pirates in nineteen seventy one, September one, nineteen
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: seventy one, specifically field all the first all black starting
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: lineup in Major League Baseball history. You know, African Americans
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: and Afro Latinos, everyone from Manny Sangien of course, Roberto Clemente,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Willie Stargel doc Ellis was the starting pitcher. Al Oliver
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: filled in at first base to complete this all black
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: starting lineup. So a historical moment that might have been
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: lost a little bit. The significance wasn't lost on the
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: on the players. The media didn't necessarily uh pick up
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: on evert. But yeah, I was believed to be the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: first time all minorities starting nine in American League or
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: National League history.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: I do think that the under the underrated story that
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: we as we've been doing this is about just the
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: community of Pittsburgh and how that this was. This was
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: a very open community, right and and and you know
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of communities will claim it and that's you know,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: but you see it here and there's just it it is.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: It was one of those that you don't put until
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: we did what we did, you didn't fully sort of
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: appreciate it or see it. And by the way, spiking
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: of Clemente. I still the thing I still can't over
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: the most is the eight Days of Pittsburgh run. Of
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: that eight days immaculate reception, the AFC Chamber did they
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: get to host it because of some weird rule that
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: they host, you know, and it's oh, by the way,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: against the undefeated Dolphins, right that all time great team,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: and then literally twenty four hours later he dies on
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: a plane crash Clemente. So it's just it's such a
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: it's such a movie moment, I guess, is one way
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: to look at it.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: One other bit of audience feedback that we got it.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: It was kind of cool seeing a note on Instagram
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: from my former student when I taught at USC, Zach Banner,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: who was an offensive lineman of the USC, was drafted
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: by the Steelers, played there, unfortunately had his career curtailed
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: by some pretty serious injuries. But he said, you know,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: he played in Pittsburgh, was very much there, and he said,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: you know, he said I was one of his favorite
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: professors at USC, So thank you for that, Zach. But
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: he said he's still learning from his old professor. And
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: that was about a lot of I don't know, fifteen
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: twenty years ago when I taught him there, but he
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: didn't know some of the things that we talked about,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: some of the details that we talked about on that show,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: even though he'd played for the franchise. So he learned
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: appreciate you posting that, and I recommend if you search
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: for it. Zach did a shot for shot remake of
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: the Flash Dance video. You know, Flashdance. I was thinking
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: that that should have been a category like best movies
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: set in Pittsburgh. Of course I'm going to put the
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: pitch and save Pittsburgh at the top of that list.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: But Flash Dance, of course a great Pittsburgh movie. And
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: here he had Zach by Banner, this gigantic offensive lineman
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: recreating these Jennifer Beal shots, including of course the famous,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: the iconic you know, water water spread, leaning back over
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: the chair, all that stuff that, you know, the dancing
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  Speaker 2: at the end, the maniac pounding with the leg warmers,
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  Speaker 2: all that stuff. He went shot for shot, did a
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  Speaker 2: great job, went all around Pittsburgh and recreated the scenes
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  Speaker 2: and the shots from flastands. So see if you can
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  Speaker 2: track that down online that there's still some so that
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  Speaker 2: video is posted somewhere. So thank you for that, Zach,
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  Speaker 2: and I recommend that you all check that out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that is a great emptying of the notebook player,
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  Speaker 1: mister Donde. Well well done. All right, So for our
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  Speaker 1: next two episodes, we're going to turn to the NBA,
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  Speaker 1: and we've got the Philadelphia slash San Francisco slash Golden
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  Speaker 1: State Warriors. In our long form episode, Jay and I
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  Speaker 1: are going to tell the in depth history of this
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  Speaker 1: fascinating franchise that guess what, Yes, there's Lakers and Celtics.
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  Speaker 1: Of the two most the number one and number two
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  Speaker 1: in championships, it is the Warriors that is number three.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes that gets lost. Not everybody fully you might appreciate that,
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  Speaker 1: but that is how significant this franchise is. Whether you're
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  Speaker 1: talking Steph welt Rick run TMCMC.
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  Speaker 2: We believe Warriors all that. Yeah, a lot of hidden.
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  Speaker 1: History, franchise, amazing history. So we look forward to that
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  Speaker 1: episode and and and of course with one of the
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  Speaker 1: all time greats and with us. Thanks for listening and
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