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Mega Edition: The Slow Nature Of The Healing Process On The Campus In Idaho (8/27/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. As
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  Speaker 1: students begin to return to the University of Idaho in
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  Speaker 1: the wake of the murder of four of their classmates,
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  Speaker 1: police are being absolutely inundated with calls to 911. Now,
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  Speaker 1: that all comes from and stems from a community that
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  Speaker 1: is certainly on edge. I won't say that they're panicked
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  Speaker 1: because I'm not there and I can't really, you know,
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  Speaker 1: get a pulse of what's going on as far as
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  Speaker 1: the community as a whole. But what I will say
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  Speaker 1: is from the emails I've received from people who live
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  Speaker 1: there and from what we have been reading, they are
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  Speaker 1: certainly on edge. And there's a lot of people who
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  Speaker 1: are scared for the welfare of their children. And in
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  Speaker 1: a situation like this, I don't know how you cannot
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  Speaker 1: be scared for your children. If it was me, like
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  Speaker 1: I said in the previous article, there's no way that
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  Speaker 1: I would let my kids go back to school here
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  Speaker 1: while this was up in the air. Because there's too
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  Speaker 1: many unknowns. There's too much we have no idea about.
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  Speaker 1: And when there are so many unknowns permeating a case
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  Speaker 1: like this, It's very hard for a parent to discern
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  Speaker 1: if it's a good idea to send their child to
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  Speaker 1: school or not. So in an abundance of caution, my
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  Speaker 1: guess is a lot of parents have said, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think you're going to stay home and you're going to
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  Speaker 1: do a little bit of remote learning. Now, remember, we're
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  Speaker 1: also dealing with adults. These college aid students, mainly 18
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  Speaker 1: and above. So I'm sure some of them are going
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  Speaker 1: to go back to school and not be too stressed
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  Speaker 1: about this. But there are a Good number of people
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  Speaker 1: who are certainly on edge over all of this mayhem
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that they're none the wiser two weeks
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  Speaker 1: in than they were when all of this first started.
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  Speaker 1: So people have questions and people most certainly have concerns
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  Speaker 1: about sending their kids back to school. Today we have
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  Speaker 1: an article from the New York Post and the headline
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  Speaker 1: 9-1-1 call surge as University of Idaho murders leave a
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  Speaker 1: community on edge. This article was authored by Sneyana Thaborov.
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  Speaker 1: Police in the college town, home to the University of Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: have been inundated with calls from a community still gripped
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  Speaker 1: by fear over a grisly quadruple homicide that has not
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  Speaker 1: been solved, as weary students are returning to campus from
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  Speaker 1: their Thanksgiving break. And when we first started talking about this,
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking in the back of my mind that
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  Speaker 1: they definitely have somebody of note, in their custody by
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  Speaker 1: the end of the Thanksgiving break because I figured it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be something close to the girls or
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  Speaker 1: somebody that they had a problem with that was documented.
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  Speaker 1: But when you start hearing about all of the other
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  Speaker 1: things that cracked off and how none of that seems
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  Speaker 1: to line up, it leaves me befuddled, honestly. But I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking that by the time the Thanksgiving break was
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  Speaker 1: over that there would have been some serious movement here
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  Speaker 1: and there hasn't been, at least not publicly. Now, we
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  Speaker 1: have to remember that these sorts of investigations take a
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  Speaker 1: long time. And with all of the DNA and all
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  Speaker 1: of the different evidence that they've compiled, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: take them some time to process all of that. So
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  Speaker 1: we have to have some patience. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: if you're living in this community or your kids going
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  Speaker 1: to this school, you have to be just at your
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  Speaker 1: wits end here. The Moscow Police Department has received 78
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  Speaker 1: calls for unusual circumstances and 36 welfare check requests since
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  Speaker 1: November 13th. Now remember, this is a town of 25,000 people,
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  Speaker 1: so we're not talking about a huge city here, so
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  Speaker 1: this is a lot of people calling in. The day
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  Speaker 1: after students Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, Ethan Chapin, and Kaylee
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves were stabbed to death in their sleep, in an
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  Speaker 1: off-campus home, the agency said Sunday. For comparison, the police
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  Speaker 1: department had received 70 unusual circumstance calls and just 18
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  Speaker 1: welfare check requests for the entire month of October. So
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  Speaker 1: that gives you a little bit of context of how
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  Speaker 1: many more are coming in right now. And again, you
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  Speaker 1: have people who are scared and You have people who
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  Speaker 1: have no answers about what went down. And while we're
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  Speaker 1: reading about it and talking about it from thousands of
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  Speaker 1: miles away, these people are living it. And then you
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  Speaker 1: add to it all the other noise surrounding what happened,
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  Speaker 1: all of the crazy conspiracy theories, all of the people,
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  Speaker 1: you know, mobbing town as far as reporters and journalists.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very stressful situation, especially for a small place
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  Speaker 1: like this. We understand that there is a sense of
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  Speaker 1: fear within our community, cops acknowledged. Well, yeah, there's no
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  Speaker 1: doubt there's going to be a sense of fear until
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  Speaker 1: somebody is arrested here. Once somebody is arrested and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the people get a little bit more information, that'll start
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  Speaker 1: to calm down, obviously. But without there being an arrest,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think people are going to stop being on edge.
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  Speaker 1: You have no idea who did this, remember? And this
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  Speaker 1: person could still be in the community like we saw
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  Speaker 1: with Richard Allen in the Delphi murders. I'm thinking to myself,
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  Speaker 1: anybody who committed a crime like that would want to
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  Speaker 1: put a lot of distance between themselves and those murders, right?
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  Speaker 1: You would think, logically speaking. But I guess that's not
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  Speaker 1: the case. And when you look at something like this,
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  Speaker 1: you have to, at the very least, entertain the thought
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  Speaker 1: that this person is still in the community hiding amongst
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  Speaker 1: the people. Local, state, and federal investigators working the case
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  Speaker 1: are in the process of reviewing 488 digital submissions, including
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  Speaker 1: photo and video tips, and have been delivered to an
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  Speaker 1: FBI link by members of the public. Students are scheduled
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  Speaker 1: to return to the UI campus on Monday, but it
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  Speaker 1: remains unclear how many of them would resume in-person learning.
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  Speaker 1: For the last two weeks of classes before winter break,
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  Speaker 1: reported CNN, and there's a lot of people who are
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  Speaker 1: very hesitant to send their kids back. I've seen in
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  Speaker 1: different outlets on other forums where people are just not
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  Speaker 1: into it, and I really can't blame them. Fearing a
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  Speaker 1: killer is on the loose, many students left campus early
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  Speaker 1: in the wake of the murders, and University of Idaho
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  Speaker 1: President Scott said last week that some students did not
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  Speaker 1: plan to return to campus until police made an arrest.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a prudent choice by the parents. Even
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  Speaker 1: if your kid is not in, you know, serious danger
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  Speaker 1: of running into this killer or being attacked by the killer,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's prudent and sometimes cautions the best approach.
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  Speaker 1: As such, faculty have been asked to prepare in-person teaching
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  Speaker 1: and remote learning options so that each student can choose
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  Speaker 1: their method of engagement for the final two weeks of
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  Speaker 1: the semester, he wrote in a statement. The University of
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  Speaker 1: Idaho will be hosting a candlelight vigil Wednesday to honor
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  Speaker 1: the murder victims. And I know it's morbid to say,
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  Speaker 1: but a lot of times these killers, if we're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a real psychopath, they'll go to these vigils.
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  Speaker 1: They'll try and be part of the investigation. They'll try
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  Speaker 1: and insert themselves in some way. And that has to
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  Speaker 1: do with their whole entire psyche. When you try and
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  Speaker 1: break down the way these killers act or conduct themselves,
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  Speaker 1: you'll run yourself in circles. Because none of it makes
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  Speaker 1: sense to a normal person. Police previously said they believe
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  Speaker 1: the killings of the four students were targeted and isolated.
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  Speaker 1: And they have not ruled out the possibility that there
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  Speaker 1: were multiple attackers. And I think this is something that's
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  Speaker 1: been lost in the sauce lately. The fact that there
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  Speaker 1: might be multiple attackers. I mean, that would clear up
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot for me. Because I'm still having a
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  Speaker 1: hard time wrapping my mind around that one person can
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  Speaker 1: do this with a knife and kill four people without
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  Speaker 1: anyone waking up and sounding an alarm. Now, I know
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  Speaker 1: it's not impossible. But my brain doesn't want to comprehend that.
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  Speaker 1: Whereas two people that were engaging in this sort of crime,
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  Speaker 1: this sort of murder, makes it a lot more easy
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  Speaker 1: to comprehend. One person goes to one room, one person
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  Speaker 1: goes to the other room. And you're doing it in
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  Speaker 1: a simultaneous fashion. But having one person do this, this
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  Speaker 1: is straight up bananas. Now I know it's possible. We've
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  Speaker 1: seen Ted Bundy kill people like this. We've seen Rawling
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  Speaker 1: do it. So it's not like it's an impossible feat.
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  Speaker 1: but it's hard for me to comprehend and wrap my
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  Speaker 1: mind around how evil you would have to be to
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  Speaker 1: commit this crime. So far, no suspects have been named,
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  Speaker 1: and the murder weapon, believed to be a fixed-bladed knife,
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  Speaker 1: has not been recovered. Steve Gonsalves, the father of Kaylee Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: told Fox News Saturday he has not received any updates
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  Speaker 1: on the investigation from law enforcement since before Thanksgiving Day.
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  Speaker 1: They're kind of just telling me That they can't tell
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  Speaker 1: me much, which is frustrating to me because I've been
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  Speaker 1: very trustworthy, he said. And I understand that the family
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  Speaker 1: wants information. But besides, you know, basic details and a
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  Speaker 1: basic update, the investigators can't really reveal too much. Because
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  Speaker 1: they're saying that it would affect the integrity of their investigation.
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  Speaker 1: So that's all we have to go on. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: working on the premise that they're telling the truth. Idaho
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  Speaker 1: State Police Communications Director Aaron Snell explained that investigators have
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  Speaker 1: been tight-lipped to avoid spreading more fear and suspicion in
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  Speaker 1: the community, which is already on edge and swarming with rumors. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the flip side of that playing devil's advocate is when
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  Speaker 1: you don't give information and you don't let people know
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  Speaker 1: what's going on. It has the same effect, a very
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  Speaker 1: chilling effect of fear and sowing doubt and mistrust in
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  Speaker 1: the investigation. But you have to find the fine line.
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  Speaker 1: the fine line to walk of what you can release
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  Speaker 1: and what you can't release. And so far, I think
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  Speaker 1: that's been the biggest issue here, them trying to find
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  Speaker 1: that fine line. Meanwhile, University of Idaho alum Kerry Uhlhorn
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  Speaker 1: has raised more than $ 19, 000 to buy and distribute birdie
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  Speaker 1: personal alarms to students to make them feel safer on campus. Hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: anything helps, right? Now, I don't think that whoever did
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be walking around campus looking to
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  Speaker 1: kill somebody on campus, but who the hell knows at
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  Speaker 1: this point? It's so scary and I'm not even up there,
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  Speaker 1: she told KTVB7. I can't imagine what it's like for
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  Speaker 1: the people that are living there. Senior Megan Lawley told
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  Speaker 1: the station she is looking forward to getting her alarm
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  Speaker 1: so that she could protect herself. It feels dangerous to
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  Speaker 1: be up there right now, she said. I felt scared
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  Speaker 1: for the last week. So we have to take into
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  Speaker 1: account how these people are feeling. And for us, it's
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  Speaker 1: one thing to say, oh, well, why would you be
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  Speaker 1: scared or whatever? But we're not the ones living it.
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  Speaker 1: These people are actually living through this nightmare where they
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  Speaker 1: lost friends, they lost family members, they lost community members.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to be a long road to try
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  Speaker 1: and come to grips with all of this. And when
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  Speaker 1: you have the killer still on the loose, you can
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  Speaker 1: guarantee that people are going to be scared and people
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  Speaker 1: are going to have questions. So as the students return
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  Speaker 1: back to the university and classes begin to resume, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see how the authorities handle
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  Speaker 1: all of this. So we'll keep our eye on it.
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  Speaker 1: But that's where we're at as far as the students
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  Speaker 1: coming back to school and how some of them are feeling.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program. On today's episode, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to discuss the aftermath of the Moscow murders and the
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  Speaker 1: effect it had on some of the students who were
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  Speaker 1: enrolled at the school. And to do that, we have
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  Speaker 1: an article from the Idaho Press. Headline, The University of
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  Speaker 1: Idaho comes to the close of a tragic, turbulent year.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Kevin Richard. On May 13th, graduates, friends,
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  Speaker 1: and family will stream into the University of Idaho's Kibbe
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  Speaker 1: Dome for Spring Commencement. The ceremony concludes another academic year
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  Speaker 1: and families this particular year in stark context. Commencement will
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  Speaker 1: come six months to the day after Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Madison Mogan were found slain in an
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  Speaker 1: off-campus house. The brutal stabbing deaths of the four U
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  Speaker 1: of I students thrust a remote and laid-back college town
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  Speaker 1: into a harsh global spotlight. Classmates mourned, and many frightened
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  Speaker 1: students fled the campus mid-semester. As police investigating the crime,
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  Speaker 1: administrators searched for ways to support students and sustain learning.
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  Speaker 1: Nearly six months later, an academic year is ending, but
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  Speaker 1: the healing process is ongoing. The Fall of 2022 Before
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  Speaker 1: and After November 13th Before November 13th, the U of
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  Speaker 1: I was in the middle of a resurgent fall semester.
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  Speaker 1: In August, 1,951 first-year students converged on campus. This largest
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  Speaker 1: freshman class in history drove an overall 18% enrollment increase,
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  Speaker 1: bringing student numbers more or less in line with pre-pandemic levels.
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  Speaker 1: The U of I secured $ 55 million from the U.S.
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  Speaker 1: Department of Agriculture to study climate-friendly farming and ranching practices,
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  Speaker 1: the largest grant in school history. And whenever you get
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  Speaker 1: a grant like that for a school, it's a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about getting state-of-the-art equipment and making your campus
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  Speaker 1: a preferred destination for the cream of the crop in
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  Speaker 1: this field. After several seasons of struggles, an emergent Vandal
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  Speaker 1: football team suddenly found itself contending for a spot in
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  Speaker 1: the football championship subdivision playoffs. The U of I ultimately
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  Speaker 1: secured a playoff berth, losing in the first round of
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  Speaker 1: the postseason. The early morning hours of November 13th, a Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: fell in the middle of what would have normally been
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  Speaker 1: a festive football weekend in Moscow. The news of the
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  Speaker 1: murders moved quickly and overshadowed all things normal about school
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  Speaker 1: operations and campus life. It became the semester's narrative, the
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  Speaker 1: community's tragedy, the university's crisis. And it left Natalia Zeroth-Chaumont torn.
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  Speaker 1: Zeroth-Chaumont knew Gonsalves fairly well. They were sisters in the
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  Speaker 1: same sorority, But Zerith Shomont had to compartmentalize her personal feelings.
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  Speaker 1: As a residential advisor in a freshman dorm, she had
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  Speaker 1: to try to help a floor of first-year students process
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  Speaker 1: their own shock and sense of loss. Now, I know
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  Speaker 1: a lot of you listening out there went to college.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine showing up on some campus as a freshman and
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  Speaker 1: all of this goes down, especially in a place like Moscow.
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  Speaker 1: This is the last place you expect something like this
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  Speaker 1: to happen anywhere. And when you send your kids to
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  Speaker 1: a place like Moscow to go to college, you're usually
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  Speaker 1: worried about them maybe getting too drunk on the weekend
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  Speaker 1: or getting into a fight at the football game or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. The last thing you're thinking about is
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  Speaker 1: your child being murdered. She stayed through the semester but
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  Speaker 1: had no other choice. There were a lot of girls
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  Speaker 1: that didn't come back after Thanksgiving. And if we think
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  Speaker 1: back to when all of this was happening, it was
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  Speaker 1: a very, very... Scary time for a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: people on the campus and the community. Remember, we had
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  Speaker 1: no idea who the person was who was responsible for
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  Speaker 1: these murders, or if they were still active, or if
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  Speaker 1: the attack was targeted. Remember, they walked it back. So
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  Speaker 1: people on campus, especially these students, they were worried about
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  Speaker 1: what was going on. And never mind their parents. Forget it.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of kids whose parents were like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? We're not sending our kid back to
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  Speaker 1: school until we know what the hell is going on.
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  Speaker 1: And I probably would have felt the same way if
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  Speaker 1: I was a parent. It's unclear how many students left
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  Speaker 1: campus early, before the Thanksgiving break that began a week
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  Speaker 1: after the slayings. Nor is it clear how many students
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  Speaker 1: finished the fall semester at home, studying remotely as the
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  Speaker 1: murder investigation began and public statements were sparse and sometimes contradictory. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes in the beginning, remember, the messaging was just absolutely horrible.
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  Speaker 1: They were walking things back. They had several people doing
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  Speaker 1: news conferences. And it looked like it was going to
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  Speaker 1: turn into an absolute shit show. Thankfully, it didn't. And
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  Speaker 1: the Moscow Police Department were able to do the right thing,
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  Speaker 1: conduct a proper investigation, and finally find somebody that they
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  Speaker 1: say is responsible for these murders. But in the wake
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  Speaker 1: of the murders, right after they happened, it was real
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  Speaker 1: touch and go. And there was a lot of questions
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  Speaker 1: about Moscow Police and the contradictory nature of some of
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  Speaker 1: the comments that they were making. Professors pivoted back to
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  Speaker 1: virtual instruction methods adopted during the pandemic. Lesson plans changed
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  Speaker 1: as well. In Tanner McLean's literature class, the professor quickly
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  Speaker 1: scrubbed a dark segment on English tragedy, subbing the more
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  Speaker 1: lighthearted Don Quixote into the syllabus. The move symbolized the
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  Speaker 1: faculty's response, said McLean, president of the Associated Students of
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  Speaker 1: the UI. They've been nothing but understanding of this terrible experience,
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  Speaker 1: McLean of Middleton said in an interview this week. The
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  Speaker 1: students who did complete the semester on campus encountered a
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  Speaker 1: surge in security, including a presence of Idaho State police
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  Speaker 1: troopers deployed from across the state. They also faced a
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  Speaker 1: gauntlet of local and national news crews. They balanced studies
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  Speaker 1: against grieving, as more than 1,000 people attended a November
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  Speaker 1: 30th candlelight vigil at the Kibbe Dome, where the Vandal
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  Speaker 1: football team played its final home game of the season
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  Speaker 1: on November 12th, just hours before the murders. A senseless
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  Speaker 1: crime scene had reshaped the U of I campus as
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  Speaker 1: a global health crisis had reshaped it in the spring
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  Speaker 1: of 2022. I like to say that we've really had
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  Speaker 1: two COVIDs in a way, said Matt Murphy of Boise,
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  Speaker 1: a graduating senior, in international studies and history. Murphy and
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  Speaker 1: McLean were among several of UI students who spoke during
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  Speaker 1: a panel discussion at the State Board of Education April
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  Speaker 1: meeting in Moscow, reflecting on their college experience, but also
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  Speaker 1: on their turbulent 2022-2023 school year. They described an ongoing
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  Speaker 1: process from fall through spring of leaning on friends to
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  Speaker 1: make sense of what they were experiencing, talking it out
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  Speaker 1: with each other is really how we heal, McClain told
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  Speaker 1: the board. January 11th, the start of spring semester. Before
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: spring semester began, the murder case took an abrupt turn
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: on December 30th. Police arrested Brian Koberger, a Washington State
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: University graduate student at a family home in Pennsylvania's Pocono
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Mountain region. The arrest came 47 days after the slayings
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and just 12 days before the spring classes. This is
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the news that we've been waiting for. U of I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: president C. Scott Green said that afternoon in his weekly
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Friday memo to students and staff, and it had to
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: be like a weight lifting off of their shoulders when
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger was arrested, because up until that point, nobody
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: had any idea if the person was still in the community,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: where they were, or what they were up to. Paul Gillespie,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a sophomore, stayed through the end of fall semester and
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: returned in January. While he credits Greene and Moscow police
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: for doing their best to communicate with the community, he
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: also says the arrest changed the mood of the campus.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Classes started off in a much better position, he said,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: in an email to Idaho Education News. There is no
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: doubt that the arrest greatly helped reassure people. But as
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: students returned, the news crews were already encamped, chronicling the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: start of the semester, but also today. the first steps
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: in the legal process. On January 12th, as the second
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: day of spring classes began on campus, Kohlberger briefly appeared
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: in the Latah County Courthouse. At the end of the hearing,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's preliminary hearing was scheduled for June 26th. With that,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the national crews began dispersing from Moscow, at least until summer.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: A mid-semester court hearing and the inevitable media coverage Would
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: have been a difficult distraction for the U of I community,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Provost Tori Lawrence said. When the criminal case picks up again,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: most students will be off campus for summer break. It's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: kind of a welcome pause in this legal process, Lawrence
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: said in an interview on Wednesday. Well, it's going to
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: be an absolute shit show up there once this gets
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: off the ground, right? Once the trial starts, once the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: prelims get going and information starts coming out, you're going
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: to have an absolute zoo up in Moscow. There's no
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: doubt about it. As students began easing back into campus routines,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Green found himself in a familiar environment, the statehouse. But
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: here too, the events of November 13th hung overhead. On
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: January 27th, Green made his annual budget pitch to the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Joint Finance Appropriations Committee. For 30 minutes, he worked methodically
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: through a PowerPoint, and click through the U of I's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: talking points, such as the enrollment surge and the $ 55
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: million U.S. Department of Agriculture research grant. And then, for
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: about a minute, emotions broke through. Fighting back tears, Green
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: thanked the ISP troopers who converged on the campus after
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: November 13th. They were our heroes. He also thanked Governor
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Brad Little for requesting $ 1 million to help offset the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: U of I's unexpected costs such as the ISP patrols
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and expanded student counseling. He struggled to talk about the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: murder victims, the slayings, and the healing process within our
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Vandal family. Moments later, Green apologized to lawmakers for his moment.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: He appeared visibly relieved as lawmakers launched into a question
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: and answer session on other topics. And as Green deflected
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: a pointed question on diversity, equity, and inclusion programs, He
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: appeared back in the public policy comfort zone. By March,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: legislators approved the $ 1 million budget bill over the objections
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: of some conservative lawmakers, largely from North Idaho. The university's
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: approach and the student response. For the spring, the U
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of I deployed an all-of-the-above approach to student safety and welfare.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Walk-in counseling at the student union building, self-defense classes, an
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: enhanced on-campus security presence, even as most of the ISP
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: troopers return to their hometowns. She's birdies, small alarms designed
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: to fit in the keychain, distributed on Greek Row and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: in all the dorms. All of that's fine and well,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: but if you really want to defend yourself and you
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: want to make sure that you have at least a
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: fighting chance if something ever cracks off, my suggestion is
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: if you're going to take martial arts classes or anything,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: go and learn some Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. That way, If a
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: bigger opponent, a bigger person, especially if you're a woman,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: is on top of you or gets a hold of you,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: you have a way to defend yourself correctly. Brazilian jiu-jitsu
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: was created for smaller people to defend themselves against bigger people.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And it is very effective at that when you know
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. State dollars covered much of the response.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Alumni donations covered the she's birdies. It was a conscious
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: effort to act quickly. I think it was kind of
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the sum total that added up to help students feel better,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Lawrence said. The added security made a difference, Zeroth Chalmont said.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Even with the suspect in custody, the murders left students
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: rethinking their risks. Even super safe places still have their dangers,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: she said in an interview last week. It definitely opened
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: people's eyes to real life. The beginning of spring semester
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: felt a little on edge, Gillespie said, but a sense
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: of normalcy has returned. The campus definitely feels just as
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: safe as it did before the murders. He said, in fact,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I see people walking and jogging at night on campus again,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and the atmosphere of worry and concern is gone. I
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: remember how empty the campus felt near the end of
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the fall semester, while now it feels bright and full
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: of life again. And while students might have been on
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: added alert this spring, they also stayed in school. The
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: fall's enrollment surge held into spring, which was, given the circumstances,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Pretty amazing, Lawrence said. Well, I think when all was
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: said and done and people took a look at what
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: was going on here, they realized that this is something
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that's way out of character for not only, obviously, Idaho,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: but the University of Idaho itself. And I highly doubt
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: that what happened in November in Moscow is going to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: drive people away from coming to this school to try
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and further their education. Now, right after the fact, of course,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: it's going to have an effect. but I mean long-term.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: All told, the U of I's spring enrollment came in
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: at 9,375, up 2.1% from the previous spring. Still, returning
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: is one thing. Returning to pre-November 13th life is another,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: more elusive matter. Natalie Swaste of Jerome told state board
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: members in April, I just feel like everybody's healing at
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: different times, in different ways, said Swaste, a psychology and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: philosophy major, and a Director of Diversity and Inclusion for
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the Associated Students of the U of I. There's no
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: going back to normal. May 13th, Commencement, Closure, Remembrance. Zeroth
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Shaman will be among the seniors walking in May 13th
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Commencement Ceremony. Her academic career isn't over. A student in
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the U of I's PGA program, which prepares graduates to
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: work as golf professionals. She will leave Moscow in May.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: for a seven-month internship at the Philadelphia Cricket Club, the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: nation's oldest country club. I had no idea there was
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a program that got people ready for a job in
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the PGA. I thought the only jobs really were, you know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: playing golf. But it does make sense that there's all
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: kinds of other logistical positions that the PGA needs to
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: fill so they have this kind of program. Spring semester,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: she said, has provided a chance to enjoy her final
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: months on campus. And wrap up her college experience, interrupted,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: by the pandemic, and she credits the U of I
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: administration for helping the community regroup after the murders. I
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: don't think they could have done it any better. At commencement,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the U of I will also honor the murder victims.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Gonsalves and Mogan, who were seniors, will be awarded degrees posthumously.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: The U of I will award certificates posthumously to Kernodle,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: who was a junior, and Chapin, who was a freshman.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Lawrence acknowledges that the U of I is looking for
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a difficult balance, honoring all of the graduates who have
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: completed their education while paying tribute to the victims. That'll
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: re-stir some of the emotions around this, he said, but
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: we feel it's the right thing to do. And I
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: don't think he's wrong with that statement. I think it's
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a good idea and the right thing to do considering
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the circumstances that the university finds itself in. The first
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: day of fall semester 2023. A new academic year is
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: never that far away. In less than four months, the
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: U of I will resume fall classes for returning students
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and open its doors to the next freshman class. The
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: early signs are promising, Lawrence said. So far, applications and
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: admissions are ahead of pace from 2022. The next few
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: months will determine whether acceptance letters translate into another record
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: freshman class. The next few months will be busy on
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: other fronts. The U of I is planning a healing
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: garden and memorial on campus intended to honor the four
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: murder victims and provide a place to reflect on any
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: student who passes away. We don't really have a central
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: place on campus for that, Lawrence said. The design is
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: still in the works and it will be student driven.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: No location has been set. The U of I has
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: received more than $ 200, 000 for the memorial, but fundraising will
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: step up after the design work is completed. The U
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: of I will demolish the off-campus house where the students
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: were murdered after the owner donated the property. The university
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: is weighing options for the site. And if anyone asked
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: me my opinion, well, I would say that some kind
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: of garden or something like that should be put on
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the site where this house was as a bit of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a memorial for these kids. Campus security will get another
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: look to decide what protocols to use in the future.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: The U of I happened to be in the midst
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: of a routine review of its safety protocols before November 13th.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: That process was immediately put on hold, Lawrence said, as
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the university tried to respond swiftly to the crisis at hand.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: McLean will be among the returning students as he continues
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to pursue a double major in political science and philosophy.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: He will also be returning for a second year as
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: ASUI president. McLean praises U of I administration, particularly Green,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a U of I alum who returned... to head his
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: alma mater in 2019 and says the university handled the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: tragedy well and were very open to listening to student leaders.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Hopeful for next year, McLean now wants to get back
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: to the goal that made him run for president in
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the first place, restoring campus events in the aftermath of COVID.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: He's hoping for new gathering places for a new school year.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: We want to make the campus lively once more and
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I think they'll get there Right. This was a very
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: traumatic incident and that affected not only the university, but
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the whole entire world. Basically, everybody was paying attention to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: what was going on. But we were all on the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: outside looking in these kids, the people who live there.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: This was their reality as this was all happening and
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: it had to be surreal. So it's good to see
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and good to hear that they're healing and moving forward
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and that the University of Idaho is on the mend.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. As the one year mark
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: in the murders in Moscow has come and gone, the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: students on campus held a vigil in honor of the victims.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And in this episode, that's what we're going to talk about.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: And to do that, we have an article from the
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Spokesman Review. Headline, Remember the light these four brought to
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the world. University of Idaho killing victims are remembered one
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: year later. This article was authored by Alexandra Dugan. A
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: unifying message prevailed at a Monday night vigil to mark
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: one year after four University of Idaho students were killed
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: in an off-campus home. The names of Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, who were stabbed to death
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: just off King Road in Moscow on November 13, 2022,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: seem to be known to the entire nation. Colleges across
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Idaho grieved with the university. Those in other states sent
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: their condolences. The community reeled at the thought of who
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: could have committed such a crime. Parents took their children
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: home from school. Idaho Governor Brad Little began working to
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: help fund the large-scale investigation. And suddenly, in December, Brian Koberger,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: a then-Washington State University graduate student, was charged with the killings.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: He is currently awaiting trial. And that certainly came as
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: a surprise. Nobody was expecting an arrest when it happened. Now,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the authorities obviously had something cooking. And when they came
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: out and gave that press conference... When Brian Kohlberger was
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: arrested earlier that day before it was announced, they were
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: talking about how they had something in the works, but
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: they didn't go into any detail. And we now know
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that they didn't go into any detail because they had
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a suspect in their sights. The students at the University
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: of Idaho will never be able to forget that Sunday.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Their lives were upended that day, as Mogan's friend Heather
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Blaschka put it during the vigil. Students had no idea
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: how drastically different the next hours, days, and weeks of
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: their lives were going to be. And imagine if you
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: were friends with one of these kids who was murdered.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Your buddy Ethan that you met while you were in
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: sociology class? You wake up to the news that your
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: pal was stabbed to death like this? And my guess
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: is the vast majority of students at the University of
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Idaho have never dealt with having a buddy murdered, not
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: in a violent way such as this, maybe in a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: car accident or something, but to be murdered in your
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: home in such a brutal and violent way? That's a
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: whole different level of evil. Kernodle's sorority sister, Zanna Miller,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: said she remembered coming downstairs that morning and seeing upperclassmen
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: on the floor crying. Her phone was riddled with texts
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and calls, and while she could recall when the dean
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: of students showed up to tell Pi Beta Phi the news,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it was more of a blur than anything. I'm sure
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: most of us have been there. You get the news
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: that somebody you care about was killed or they died
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: of natural causes or whatever, and it's very jarring, right?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: At first, I know for me personally speaking, I don't
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: even want to accept it. You know, you go through
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the stages of grief. And the first thing is, no,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: there's no way that this can be true. But then
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: when you start to settle in a little bit and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: the information starts to settle in, your good sense takes
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: over and you realize that, well, this is reality. How
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: does someone process something like that? How do you know
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: what to do or how to feel? The aftermath of
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving break, when we all came back to campus, was
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: a rollercoaster of emotions, Miller said. The house became very quiet.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Suddenly the halls and the bathrooms were not buzzing with
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: music and makeup anymore. Campus in Greek Row became somewhat
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: of a ghost town. Well, can you blame parents and
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: students for being a bit freaked out? Especially in the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: aftermath of all of this, We really didn't have any
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: information about who the killer was, if he was still
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: in town, if he was active, if he was going
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: to hurt anybody else. Had no information whatsoever. And as
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: a parent, obviously, you want to protect your kids. So
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: there were people pulling their kids out of school. You
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: had people going to get karate training, carrying around mace,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff. In the year that followed,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Miller said, friends were able to look at photos of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the four and recall fond memories instead of crying. Slowly,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the makeup in the bathroom and the music in the
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: hallways started to blare again. Slowly, Greek Row was less quiet.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: The streets got busier, the classes got fuller, and the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: smiles came back, Miller said. The Vandal family was healing.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And remember, keep in mind that these are college kids
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're not talking about adults who have
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: a bunch of life experience to fall back on. A
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: bunch of adults who know that life is just not
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: fair anymore. We're talking about kids in college who really
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: at this age, they don't think about their mortality. I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: know I didn't. I thought I was Superman when I
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: was 19, 20 years old. There was nothing on this
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: planet that could stop me. So when these kids were
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: forced to face basically their own mortality, you know, at
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: this age, that's very jarring, right? Not something that most
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: kids this age are even thinking about until it reaches
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: out and touches you. Remembering Maddie, Kaylee, Zanna, and Ethan.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Four students got atop a stage in front of the
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: university's administration building, light shining in their faces, their breath
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: making clouds in the cold, to speak about the friends
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: they had lost, the friends they will never forget. The
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: word that Blaschka used most to describe Mogan was bright. Kind, loving, genuine, driven, stunning, outgoing.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: The list can go on forever, Blaschka said. She had
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a bright smile. She had a bright future. Maddie was
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the kind of person that made sure everyone felt welcomed
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and loved and cared for. It was nearly impossible to
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: not be smiling when you're around her. She made every
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: person that she interacted with feel loved. Blashka said the
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: morning she received the news the four had died, she
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: was getting coffee, laughing, and enjoying the time with her
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: friends like a college kid should be. That's exactly what
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you should be doing when you're in college, enjoying the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: time with your friends, enjoying the time with the people
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: that you've met while you're there, and building the relationships
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: that you're going to use as far as business-wise or
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: personally going forward in your life. But instead, these kids
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: were thrust directly into the plot of an Eli Roth movie.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Given the chance, Maddie would have been doing the exact
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: same thing. That experience is such a small moment, that
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: many of us share but often do not think about.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: But that morning, I learned how important the small and
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: seemingly insignificant moments can be, she said. And I've talked
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: about this, too. Life is fleeting, folks. I don't want
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to sit here and preach to you because you all
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: know this already, but every now and then we need
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: a reminder that life is not infinite. It's finite. And
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the people that you love, you should probably let them
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: know that you love them because you never know when
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: your number is up. And unfortunately for a lot of us,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: it takes tragedy and us staring at our own mortality
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  Speaker 1: before we start to realize that. And since then, She
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  Speaker 1: has seen her friends who have carried that much grief grow,
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  Speaker 1: be resilient, and evolve. Miller, who spoke about Kernodle, said
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  Speaker 1: she made her friends feel unapologetic for being themselves. To
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  Speaker 1: know Kernodle was to love her, she said. She was
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  Speaker 1: entirely herself all the time. Her beautiful aura followed her
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  Speaker 1: everywhere she went. There was always a smile on her face.
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  Speaker 1: She was a very contagious person. Zanna was one of
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  Speaker 1: those people. that you could not possibly be sad around,
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  Speaker 1: Miller said. Nothing could possibly measure how valuable she was.
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  Speaker 1: Through all the sadness, she said, a seed was planted
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  Speaker 1: in their sorority that day. It sprouted into different types
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  Speaker 1: of sisterhood. Experiencing this as a freshman with my member
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  Speaker 1: class was a very difficult first year of college. During
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  Speaker 1: the hard times and cherishing the good, we built a
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  Speaker 1: very strong bond. The amount of support, and tenderness our
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  Speaker 1: chapter received in and outside of our community was one
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  Speaker 1: of the most incredible things to be a part of,
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  Speaker 1: Miller said. Madison Whitney, who spoke for Gonsalves, said she
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  Speaker 1: was one of a kind. Whitney read aloud a letter
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  Speaker 1: from Gonsalves' sorority sister, Jaden Anderson, who said she misses
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves' laugh nearly every day. It was so unique, she
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  Speaker 1: could always hear it from the other room. She was giggly, beautiful, kind,
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  Speaker 1: and funny. so naturally herself. I love being in her presence,
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  Speaker 1: and it is one that I will miss for the
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  Speaker 1: rest of my life, Anderson wrote. She and Gonsalves gave
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  Speaker 1: her a book freshman year about grief, and in a
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  Speaker 1: way it felt like she was trying to tell Anderson something,
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  Speaker 1: whether it was fate or not. In the book lies
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  Speaker 1: a page that states despite knowing they won't be here
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  Speaker 1: for long, they still choose to live their brightest lives,
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  Speaker 1: Anderson wrote. It just makes me think that I know
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  Speaker 1: she's watching out for me, even if she's not here.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I like to think that too.
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  Speaker 1: I like to think that there's something else after all
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  Speaker 1: of this. And I've stated many times I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: religious person, but I do hope and I do pray
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  Speaker 1: to whatever's out there that there is something after this.
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  Speaker 1: I'd love to see my relatives again. I'd love to
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  Speaker 1: see my friends again who were taken too soon. Darius Myers,
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  Speaker 1: who was Chapin's fraternity brother, said Chapin could always make
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  Speaker 1: him laugh. He was sweet, outgoing, and the type of
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: person to pick you up when you're down. I remember
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: him coming up and introducing himself to me right away.
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  Speaker 1: It only took about 30 seconds before he had me
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  Speaker 1: laughing hysterically, Myers said. That's just who he was, the
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  Speaker 1: life of the party, always optimistic, always looking for excitement,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Myers said. There's not many people I've met in my
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  Speaker 1: life that I can wholeheartedly say exemplify the true meaning
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  Speaker 1: of what it means to be happy, to love life,
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  Speaker 1: and those around you. Look, it's very rare when you
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: find people like that. The people that, no matter what,
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  Speaker 1: they're always happy, they never get shook, they always have
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  Speaker 1: a good outlook in life. Very rare that you find
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  Speaker 1: people like that. I'm certainly not that person. I'm a
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: curmudgeon like you wouldn't believe. And, as you all know,
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  Speaker 1: very cynical. Myers said, He read once that when you
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  Speaker 1: lose someone, you gain an angel. And they have four
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  Speaker 1: angels watching over them every day. The community is healing.
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  Speaker 1: Danielle Slakoff, an assistant professor of criminal justice at Sacramento
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  Speaker 1: State University, studies the effect of true crime and the
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  Speaker 1: media's betrayal of crime. When the news of the killings
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: first broke, rumors and speculation were rampant. The Moscow Police Department,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: had to put a statement on its website dispelling the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: rumors because there were so many theories about what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Slaykoff said she was blown away. Armchair detectives and YouTubers
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  Speaker 1: crowded the Moscow streets trying to get a picture, video,
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  Speaker 1: or film a live stream. Going forward, it's important to
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: note that consumption of true crime is an interesting story,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: she said, but to the families, it's real life. And
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  Speaker 1: that's something I always stress. We're reading these stories now
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  Speaker 1: And we're looking at these stories on TV, but there's
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: actual people who are suffering through this shit. And that
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: became very, very clear to me when I was covering
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Epstein and started corresponding with his survivors. It was very,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: very difficult to listen to their stories and to listen
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  Speaker 1: to them tell me how much harm the media has
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: caused them. And it's something that happened for decades, literally decades,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: when we're talking about Epstein. Things have quieted it down
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  Speaker 1: since then, Slakoff said, but the trial itself will cause
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: a new wave of media attention that affects the students
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: and community. And that's where it gets troublesome for the
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: victims' families. A year, they've lived this every day. Other
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: people are only jumping into the story once in a while,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: she said. I think the entire community is probably reeling,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: even though it has been a year. I think community
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: events can be helpful to acknowledge the pain that they're in.
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  Speaker 1: The main focus as time passes, Slakoff said, should be
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the victims and their friends and their families. People like
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: to feel like they know the victims. The reality is
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the families are the ones that are grieving to that extent,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: she said. University of Idaho student body president Tanner McClain
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: ended the vigil by thanking the community, the university, and
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: the students. Tonight, he said, is a testament to the
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Vandal family. Community is healing, McClain said. Zanna, Ethan, Kaylee,
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  Speaker 1: and Maddie were all vandals through and through. Stay strong,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: be with those you love, and remember the light these
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  Speaker 1: four individuals brought to the world. Well, I really have
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: nothing else to add to that. Pretty good message to
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  Speaker 1: close it out, huh? All right, everybody, that's going to
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  Speaker 1: do it for this one. All of the information that
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