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Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s Deposition in Edwards and Cassell v. Alan Dershowitz (Part 12) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Virginia Roberts deposition against
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  Alan Dershowitz. Question, where were the nude photographs in New York? Answer?
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  In New York, So you would have to go upstairs,
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  make a left into Jeffrey's office, all over the table. Sorry,
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  can I go back to Palm Beach? I forgot another place? McCauley, Yeah,
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  you're allowed to finish your answer. Virginia, back to Palm Beach.
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  There was. So you walk into the front door and
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  I told you about the table, and again I'm bad
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  at left and right. But if I'm facing the door
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  this way, you make a right and there's Jeffrey's desk
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  and then Gleaane's desk, and all over their desks, we're
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  nude photographs all over the computer, like you know the
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  screen pages that you get pop up nude photographs on
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  this as well. So I just wanted to mention those.
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  And outside the cabana sounds horrible. Outside by the cabana,
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  by the pool, there's more newud photographs. Question, and these
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  are all locations where guests would be answer yes, question,
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  and it was frequent that guests would have had the
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  opportunity to see these as they were going through the house.
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  Answer yes, if you walk through Jeffrey's house, there is
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  not a chance that you could not see nude photographs.
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  Question were the photographs ever changed or taken down when
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  guests were there? Answer no, Like I said, he was
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  not ashamed. Question were there are also nude photographs in
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  New Mexico? Answer yes, but more in his Like I
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  guess you would call it an office. It's not like
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  Florida where you just walk in and you see it
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  right there. It was more you'd have to go into
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  his office to see them. I'm just trying to recollect.
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  There was some by his bedside table, and I honestly
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  think that's all I remember seeing them around the New
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  Mexico house. Question did guests go by Jeffrey's bedside table?
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  Answer sometimes if there was something was happening. Question if
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  you were just a visitor for dinner party, for example,
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  Answer no, If you were there for a dinner party,
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  you wouldn't go into his bedroom. Question if you were
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  just a guest for a dinner party in New Mexico.
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  Would you see nude photographs in getting to the dining room?
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  Answer No, I don't think we finished New York? Did
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  we answer you tell me? Answer, I don't think we did.
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  I think I skipped from telling you about New York
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  and went back to Palm Beach. So should I touch
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  back on New York? McAuley finish your answer? Yes, answer
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  in New York? So there was pictures on his desk
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  in the office and around that room. And then there's
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  this room that I referred to as the dungeon that
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  had a huge photograph of me and another girl. I
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  mean huge, as in bigger than the wall cabinet. There's
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  a painting of both of us doing slacious acts together.
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  Question slaicious acts? Answer sexual acts. You know what I'm saying,
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  mister Scrolla. Could I request that the camera panned to
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  above Virginia so as to show the wall cabinet and
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  then come back down if you would, please? Thank you,
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  Miss Borgia. Question now the Dubins they visited Jeffrey Epstein's property.
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  Correct answer yes, Borgia question redacted answer yes, redacted question
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  and the children would see these nude photographs and the
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  property answer yes, question and both parents would answer yes.
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  Question were there other children that saw these nude photographs? Answer?
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  I mean if you're talking about miners and yes. Question
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  when you saw Alin Dershowitz visiting Jeffrey Epstein's properties, did
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  you ever see his wife redacted? Answer no? Question did
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  you ever see his grandchildren? Answer no? Question do you
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  know whether they were there or not? Answer? I don't
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  know if they were there, but I did not see them.
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  Question now redacted? Is somebody that was at Jeffrey Epstein's property?
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  Correct at least at one answer yes, question which property
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  was at McCauley. It's previously she's a childhood victim. We're
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  objecting to a line of testimony varding details about sexual
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  encounters with redacted. If you know if she was in
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  a location, you can state that, but you don't have
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  to give details, Special Master, she's asking only the location
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  at this point. Answer by Virginia, I'm just looking out
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  for she was a victim. Yes, she was at all
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  of his residences. Question did her mother ever come visit
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  any of the residences? Answer? I never met her mother.
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  Question do you know whether her mother died or whether
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  her mother did? Excuse me? Answer, I don't know question
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  you ever you never met redacted? Answer no question? How
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  much were you paid for the massages? McAuley, I'm going
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  to just give me a moment. This is one of
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  the areas that Judge Lynch quashed discovery on. I know
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  you've made a ruling on that, but I want to
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  make my record. He made a ruling that she did
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  not have to go through a renumeration of funds as
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  a result of the activities she was forced to participate in.
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  That's not the request, Special Master. Let me take a
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  look at this. Allie sure that was question twenty, and
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  he quashed that, Miss Borgia. Can you tell me which
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  teacum request you're saying this in, McCauley, I believe it's
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  Request twenty. All documents showing any payments of any kind
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  made by Epstein or as agents or associates to you
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  from June nineteen ninety nine to December thirty first, two
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  thousand and two. Miss Borgia, I'll ask another question. You've
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  made statements that you were paid two hundred dollars a massage. Correct. McCauley. Objection,
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  same objection. He did not make or produce documents or
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  have any testimony regarding the payments that she received special master,
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  Do you have a statement, particularly you're referring to miss Borgia.
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  Question you were paid for sexual services by Jeffrey Epstein
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  right answer yes. Question did you pay taxes on those? Answer? No?
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  Question why not? Answer it was a cash payment. Question
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  you are a waitress at the roadside right answer yes
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  for a short time. Answer did you pay taxes on that?
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  Answer not that I know of. No, I don't think
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  I've ever paid taxes in the US. Question and you
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  haven't paid taxes since you returned? Answer I haven't worked
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  here since I returned. Question when you got one hundred
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  and sixty thousand for the media deal, you didn't pay
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  taxes on that? McCauley objection, Go ahead. Answer, I did
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  pay taxes on that in Australia question, but not in
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  the US. Answer. It was given to me in Australian money,
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  so I paid for it in Australian taxes. Question. When
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  you worked at mar A Lago, did you pay taxes?
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  Answer no, I was only there for a very short
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  period of time max. Maybe pulled into paychecks, so no.
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  I think at a young age, I think there's an
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  example if you're fifteen or something like that, you don't
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  have to pay tax. That's what I heard. I'm not
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  too sure if that's correct or not, but no, I
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  didn't pay tax on it. Question what was the last
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  grade that you could completed in school? Answer? I believe
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  it was the ninth grade? Question did you ever complete
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  your GED? Answer? I attempted to complete my GED, but
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  I never did. Question and over what period of time
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  did you receive payment for any sexual acts? McAuley's same
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  objection that I had before Special Master. You can answer?
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  Answer from ninety nine to two thousand and two. Question
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  until went in two thousand and two? Until you left?
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  Answer yeah, even after I left, Jeffrey sent me money
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  in Thailand Western Union, just to I'll pay for my
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  school that I was being sent to and my living expenses.
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  Question how long were you in Thailand? Answer? I believe
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  I was there from September. I can't remember the exact
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  date in September, but let's just say early September. And
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  then after I married my husband, we went on a honeymoon.
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  I think I came to Australia. I think it was
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  November Borgia. I don't want to take a lot of time.
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  I don't know why. I'm not putting my hands on
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  this document right now. I'll just have it marked and
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  give you the origin. Thereupon, VR Defendant Exhibit number eight
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  was marked for identification, Miss Borgia. I'm going to read you.
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  I'll hand it to you in a second. Read you
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  the document that's marked as VR exhibit number eight, and
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  it says at page three of twenty nine Epstein, Wall
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  Street's money manager, who once counted redacted and redacted amongst
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  his friends, became the subject of an undercover investigation in
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  two thousand and five after the stepmother of a fourteen
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  year old girl claim she was paid two hundred, one
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  hundred and twenty five pounds sterling to give an erotic massage.
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  Do you see that? Answer? What paragraph is that on? Question?
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  Top of the page? Answer, however, be avoided trial. Yeah, yeah,
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  I do, McAuley. So I'm objecting as to any testimony
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  regarding payment to you if it's a payment to someone
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  else special master. Right now, the only question pending is
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  do you see that paragraph, Miss Borgia. Question was at
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  a standard payment for miss by Jeffrey Epstein. McCauley, you
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  can answer that, Virginia, Yes, it is. Question. What's the
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  basis for your testimony in that regard. Answer, it was
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  the basis for my testimony. Question how do you know
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  that's a standard payment answer? Are you trying to trick
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  me into another question? McCauley, I have an objection to
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  this line of questioning. I mean, I do. I have
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  an objection based on a quash if the article references
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  a payment and you're familiar with that payment, Borgia, Council
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  speaking objections are not appropriate McCauley, I'm making an objection
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  for the record, Special Master, Hang on finish making your objection.
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  Try not to instruct the witness during the objection. Okay,
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  you can answer the question. Answer, so you can repeat
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  that question for me, Special Master, go ahead and repeat
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  it off the record so we get the exact wording. Answer. Yes,
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  I do. Question, what's the basis for that statement? Answer?
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  That's what we were given? Question who is we answer
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  any of the girls that had to serve as Jeffrey
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  I'll speak for myself alone. Question that's per massage. Answer. Yes,
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  Exhibit number nine was marked for identification Borgia. Missus Roberts,
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  I have handed you a document that's been marked as
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  VR Exhibit nine, which is a Declaration of Virginia Roberts.
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  Answer yes, question you've seen this document before? Answer, I've
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  seen a lot of documents, but yes, I have seen
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  this question Page six. Please McCauley, is there a copy
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  for me Borgia? Do you have one? Scrolla no? Thank you?
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  Page six? Is that where we are Borgia? Yeah? Paragraph twenty.
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  You say here in your AFFID, David Dershowitz was so
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  comfortable with the sex that was going on that on
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  one occasion he observed me in sexual activity with Epstein.
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  Do you see that? Answer? Yes, question, and that's the
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  same event that you testified earlier where you testified that
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  Professor Dershowitz walked into Jeffrey Epstein's private bedroom. Answer yes, question,
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  and we talked about the six instances earlier today, and
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  I believe you've indicated that they were at six different locations.
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  Correct answer at least yes. Question. Are there any other
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  instances that you recall? Answer? Not off the top of
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  my head. Question, think about it. I want your best
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  testimony today before we leave. Answer. All I can remember
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  right now at this time is these approximately six times.
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  Question why didn't you mention the limousine in your AFFID?
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  David McCauley objection. To the extent that this pertains to
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  a conversation you out with your lawyers, she can't reveal
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  that anything else she can reveal, Special Master. You can answer,
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  McCauley if you can answer without talking about what you
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  discussed with your lawyers. Answer. At the time, I wasn't
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  asked about it, and it came to me while thinking
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  about it later on. Question when did it first come
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  to you? Answer? I don't know the exact date or time.
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  Like I said to you earlier, it's trust me. This
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  is not stuff you want to remember. This is stuff
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  you want to try and throw away in the back
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  of the garbage can in your head. And it took
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  me a long time to be able to do that
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  and move on with my life. And when Jeffrey got
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  away with everything that he gotten away with, it infuriated me.
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  So then I wanted to do something about it, in
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  which is why I started thinking about the things more
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  and more and more. And sometimes the more and more
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  and more I thought about it, the more I would
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  remember certain occasions. Question, but you didn't remember the limousine
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  as the time of the Affidavid McCauley objection, Special Master
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  you can answer, McCauley. You can answer. Answer apparently not question.
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  Have you ever told anybody about having sex in the
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  limousine with Alan Dershowitz McCauley outside of your lawyers? Answer?
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  Outside of my lawyers? No question. Did you ever tell
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  your lawyers? McCauley objection, I'm not going to ever testify
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  as to what she told her lawyers. Special Master, we're
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  not going to allow that, Miss Borgia. Is your privilege,
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  the attorney client privilege, McAuley. She's not waving her privilege, Borgia, Council,
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  Can I make a record, Special Master, you've said, go
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  ahead and make your record, Borgia. Question, you hold the privilege.
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  You're the decider. The attorney client privilege belongs to you.
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  If you would like to waive it, you have the
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  opportunity to do it. Answer. I decide not to waive
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  my privilege at this time. Thank you, Scrola. She would
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  really like to be able to give you the answer
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  to that question, Borgia, Council, I would appreciate. Scrola. All right.
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  I couldn't resist. Borgia. This is not a game. This
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  is not a joke to the witness or to the
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  attorneys who are here. For the correct purposes. So please
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  don't make this a joke today, Special Master, Let's move on. Scrola,
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  I absolutely agree with you. It is not a joke.
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  Special Master. Let's move on. I understand. Let's move on.
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  All right. We're gonna wrap up right here, and then
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  the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick
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  up where we left off. All of the information that
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