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Heaven Responds · The Hearing God Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Anthony Moore.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Dan Lamus.
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  SPEAKER_01: For over a decade, Anthony and I have been diving deep into weekly conversations about the prophetic, the mystical, and the matters of the heart.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we invite you into these weekly conversations.
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  SPEAKER_03: We hope you feel like an honored guest at our table.
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  SPEAKER_01: So pull up a chair, settle in, and let's get started.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, here we are.
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  SPEAKER_03: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_03: Here we are.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_03: Fun, fun, fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: How's it going, Dan?
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  SPEAKER_03: Life, life is good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's I'm it's going good.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's going good.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, although actually, you know what's funny?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is I think if you rewound every time I've asked you, how's it going, Dan?
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  SPEAKER_03: If I said it's going good, I think we're at like whatever.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, you know, I am a hundred man of faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I ever anybody who hears my immediate answer needs to hear it in the realm of faith, yeah, and grace.
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  SPEAKER_01: There we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: I dec I am declaring when Anthony asks me how's it going, Dan, and I say good, it's a declaration of faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and so, yeah, let's so let's just answer it this way that that uh good um yeah, when when you say life is good, hey, let's own the fact that uh life being good includes a lot of ups and downs.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh I am I am uh just really appreciating, like I think I said last episode, maybe um appreciating the Psalms more and more.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been I've been uh kind of uh I've been restricting myself, disciplining myself to spend more time listening to and reading scripture.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've been getting uh I've been getting into a lot of great books over the last months, but I'm in that zone, which happens to me occasionally, where I feel like the spirit is just saying, I want you to just spend some time in scripture for a while.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so I've been there and I've been just listening through the Psalms and appreciating the humanness and uh just the I I just love the back and forth of uh God just so so patiently pursuing human beings for a relationship.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and how when I've messed up, really what he's looking for is for me to be humble, cry out for him, and he's happy to meet me there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and make me make a way for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh I just I've been appreciating that more and more, like God saying this is the way walk in it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's the warnings if you don't, and sure enough, I don't walk in it at times, and I reap reap the result.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said I would results, then he meets me there when I'm ready to be humble and go, Yep, you did the thing, you landed here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's get out of here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's get back to it.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, I know.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think I think for me, I am just I think I I've gained an appreciation or gaining appreciation.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know that like rewind, we've hit this a few times.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh and what was my what was one of my words for the year?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, enjoy God.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh and I feel like the last really the number number of and I know okay, so what do you mean by that, Anthony?
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, I think I just mean uh like simply uh I think it's called, I think I would sort of color that in a little bit by saying it's sort of baggage-free appreciation for who God is.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, like I know what do you mean also.
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  SPEAKER_03: What do you mean, Anthony?
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I think it's like sometimes baggage free, baggage free or or no strings, like no strings attach, join enjoyment of the nearness of God.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's maybe that's a little bit better, but it's like I've I found myself uh just appreciating and enjoying the time I have with him.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so the string attached could be to so that he'll do something for me, or so that I can you're enjoying God bend the last 24 hours or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like so that like I've got to, you know, I've got to clear, we've got to clear the air a little bit on how things are.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's kind of a little bit where I am this morning where and I know this is not just uh this morning isn't just the first time, but I found myself appreciating just the nearness of God uh in a really kind of beautiful way.
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  SPEAKER_03: I you know it's free, no strings attached.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, but isn't that grace though almost like isn't that grace right there?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well I had this, yeah, wow.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's it's I'm not I'm not sad about it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um what I was what I was like gonna think I was I actually yeah uh but I I was mad I'm not mad about it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm mad about it anyway.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh but I was just thinking about uh I had this thought I think this morning um where it was like how you know Paul, I think it's like I don't know, I never remember where this one is, but it's I think it's like one or two, maybe it's three if he in Ephesians chapter one or three or two, where he talks about knowing the love that surpasses knowledge.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was like that that's his prayer, yeah, right, which we should pray as in sort of uh a biblical and apostolic prayer uh would be the that that that I you know that's a prayer over my life uh would be that I would know the love of God that surpasses knowledge.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and I had this thought this morning, like what a shame it would be if that never like it never happened for me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Meaning, meaning that I never asked for that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, again, like I of course it's like you know, there's a it's in in it's really in the I think in the proper context of what Paul is praying there.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like the the knowing would employ there's an implicit there's an implication of intimacy there.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's an implication of connection, not intellectual.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like it is very uh it's very encounter, yeah, you know, you know, implied.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I believe it, I believe it's that gonoscope or knowledge.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like sure, like it's it's like a no experiential yeah, it's an experiential thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and it really is like what a what a what a shame if I stopped asking and then never experienced, experienced, encountered the love of God in my life.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And again, I was so sort of doing a little bit of a like a quick overview.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh man.
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  SPEAKER_03: And really that that that time the time of uh I've I've definitely had tangible moments, many over the years, of experiencing the love of God, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Where just it's a one of those things where there was, you know, my heart definitely was aware of the Lord and how much he loved me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh oftentimes I don't I don't know how you can experience the love of God and not be moved to tears.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Usually tears are involved, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh maybe not always, but quite quite frequently.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it was really this, this it was really this reality of like that God uh God number one loves us, you know, and again, we couldn't be more or less loved than we are right now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, but oftentimes we're not aware of that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, really.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so there I was just chewing on this little fact of just like what a shame it would be, God.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, I was it was a little bit of a conversation with him.
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  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely like what what a shame it would be, God, if if if I'd never if I didn't experience your love from here on out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was praying with a friend the other day, and they were experiencing some beautiful ministry from the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and part of what they were experiencing was seeing a part of them that that had been feeling very distant from Jesus, but being in an embrace with Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as we waited there in prayer, they began to realize they weren't returning Jesus' embrace.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like they were being embraced by Jesus, but they either either their arms were around Jesus, but they weren't squeezing, or their arms were hanging by their side.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's like when I'm hearing you say, What a what a shame that would be.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like what a shame it would be to be in the the embrace of Jesus and not bother to return it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like not to participate in the embrace.
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  SPEAKER_03: To let yourself just be loved.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, again, we've talked about that a little, like just let yourself be loved by God.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, God loves me, and yet my arms are hanging by my side in the embrace, or it's just I'm kind of half-heartedly, you know, got my fists balled up behind Jesus' back, kind of awkwardly, wondering when the hug's gonna be done.
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  SPEAKER_01: And just letting myself participate in that embrace, squeezing Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we you know we often have to go on a journey to get to that place.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh man.
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  SPEAKER_03: And again, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: And again, this I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, like, this is by no means a complete theological, you know, exegesis on the theme of our population.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hugging Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_03: But uh, but really like I think that there is a uh we often do, like I know I do, because oftentimes my mind is is so cluttered with you know the things that the to-do list, you know, my performance, those kinds of things.
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  SPEAKER_03: And often I don't simply just let God, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, even if I start to go down that road, we oftentimes get, you know, oftentimes, you know, 30 minutes, 45 minutes an hour is up, and I'm there's we're still in a wrestler, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually didn't get anything done because I didn't let God yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: But but I think I think the I think it's and I think what what is what is I what did I mean by that?
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  SPEAKER_03: What it's gonna be it would be a shame.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think it was obviously I think on my part where it'd be like if I didn't keep pursuing you, Lord, you know, if I if I stopped pursuing you, I I would be again like we said, I would be I would be loved completely and fully till my last breath.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: But if I st even if I stopped pursuing him, but the pursuit opens the door for knowing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: The pursuit opens the door for encounter.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we can't, you know, uh we can't determine that, and obviously, but there is a there is the promise, you know, the the there is the promise from Jeremiah 29, 15 or 17, where it's like you will find me when you seek me with all your heart.
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  SPEAKER_03: All your heart.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a anyway, that's where I anyway.
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  SPEAKER_03: That was a that was a bit of a deep uh deep dive here.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just but like I just think it's really important for believers to know that and I I love I love the rawness of, you know, I don't know, I just think we live in a you and I exist in uh a pretty special place where you know uh the people around us aren't pretentious, or at least we try not to be.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: We don't try to, we we're fairly uh raw and honest about how we are.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I I think that's refreshing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's nobody's trying to I mean again, yeah, of course we are at times, but no in generally speaking, uh nobody's really trying to put on, you know, put on some weird face to try to perform.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: If we're if we're if we're like it's not too long before we get to the raw and honest stuff, I think.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It seems to be man, and this isn't meant to be rabbit trail, help us, God.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_03: We do I feel we do rabbit trails here quite good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel culturally, yeah, we really we really try to let the the living the living word of God inform our our knowledge, like our knowledge, what we know of the written word of God.
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  SPEAKER_01: We really try to treat that relationally in our relationships within our team, within our community here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we really try to say, yeah, you know, uh, I don't want to try to fix you by quoting scripture at you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I want I want to encourage you to interact with scripture according to what the living presence of God, like what the Holy Spirit, how this Holy Spirit's working in your life to work in cooperation with the Spirit or with the Scripture, and I want to be another piece in that as your brother, right?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: To actually be a sounding board for you if you need it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but I want to hold you to what is the Holy Spirit saying to you in the midst of scripture that's fitting where your journey's at right now?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, where are you in that?
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  SPEAKER_01: And man, that calls for that honesty.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can't be fake in the middle of that in order to actually benefit from that kind of journey together.
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  SPEAKER_01: You gotta be honest about it, or else it you it just it's gonna get really off track quickly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I am very grateful for that too, Anthony.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I just yeah, I think I think I just I love that I I again I love that promise from Jeremiah that you will seek me, or sorry, you will find me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's the promise, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And the precursor, the requirement is when you seek me with all your heart.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's just a beautiful encouragement to me that I've carried for years, really, that that like but that but it's also uh it's also a little bit that God makes himself makes himself available to be known.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and makes his love I don't know, this maybe that's a funny way to say it, but makes his love available to be encountered.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: That and it is, you know, again, there are people plenty of people who would sort of recoil against the subjectivity of feelings.
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  SPEAKER_03: I get it, but they're but God made them, so what are you gonna do?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Andy has them.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he has them.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, but the but the but the really out the reality is is just that that beautiful promise that his when I pursue him, you know, when I when I chase after him, he he's gonna let me catch him.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: Man, I you know, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh really, really, and again, I you know, I'm not again, whatever.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna you know what I'm saying, though.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's the pursuit.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do, and one of the one of the best gauges for am I pursuing God is am I pursuing something other than God?
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's getting me into a mess.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't need to go farther than that to say I could have been pursuing God.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, and so like it's it's not hard to when you well, what well, am I pursuing God?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's like, well, what are you pursuing?
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  SPEAKER_01: If what you're pursuing to get you through is getting you in a mess, yeah, you know, it doesn't need to be any more condemning than that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It just needs to be owning that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like, yep, I'm pursuing a bunch of stuff other than God.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, why don't I stop pursuing that and see what happens?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I think the promise, the promise of the per and again, the promise of the pursuit of God is a response from God, right?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, right.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I think I think if we want to just maybe just dive into sort of what's been on our heart to talk because we've been talking about prayer lately, and we've just talked about for the last number of weeks, and and we'll probably continue for a little bit longer just talking about pray, prayer, yeah, and you know, even specifically talk about what happens when we pray.
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  SPEAKER_03: What happens when we pray.
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  SPEAKER_03: Love it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that is the very thing I think that we want to talk about today is really just you know, is the response, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: It was, you know, if if I could, you know, title this this podcast, it would be heaven, heaven response, yeah, when we pray.
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  SPEAKER_03: And just uh it's you know, there's prayers all over the Bible about people, you know, praying, inquiring or inquiring of the Lord, and then them hearing from God.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh one of the one of the cool uh examples that we were we're just talking about um would be that uh there's a sort of a famous exchange in the book of Daniel, uh where you know Daniel uh he f he basically sets out to fast and pray.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and couple minutes.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think uh I get yeah, yeah, it was a it was some kind of like 21 days.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was 21 days.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was 21 days uh of fast, and that's what we call that the Daniel fast.
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  SPEAKER_03: So there were certain things that he was there's a couple fasts that he describes in there, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: But but the what the reality is after that 21 days, there was a response uh from heaven where it says, there's an interesting scripture here where it says it's Daniel chapter 10, verse 12, where the angel shows up.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's Gabriel, where it says, Fear not, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand and humbled yourself before the Lord, your words have been heard, and I have come because of your words.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like that's loaded.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: From the first day, you know, that you set your heart to understand.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, there's yeah, there's there's that, there's the timing, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then there's the humbling yourself before the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's that's loaded.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then it says, your words have been heard and that that I have come from heaven because of your words.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So there's there's there's a something loaded in there where it's like, but it's like I think the the interesting the stuff that jumps out at me is uh there is a there is a invisible reality going on around us where we may be seeking the Lord for something, maybe something specific.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: We're calling out, we're crying out, maybe we're fasting, we're humbling ourselves before the Lord, expressing our neediness to God, and seeking heaven's response, seeking the Lord to move on our behalf.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and and according to scripture here, when we humble ourselves and pray, heaven responds.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right?
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  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Though there may be some delay in that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's a that's an interesting, this is a funny first day.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So 20, like 21 days ago.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Heaven heard you, Daniel.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And yet at some point, like between Heaven saying go and that response, there was there was three weeks of Daniel going, like, what the heck is going on?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that not sure.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if he was saying what the heck, but we we can for sure.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh some processing.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: There was some processing going on.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, then you know because he wasn't consuming food and whatever else.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: He set aside time to be pondering what's going on.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and I don't, and this isn't really to get into the mechanics of what happens in the unseen, but yet we do know, according to what Gabriel reported, was that that there were principalities and powers that were opposing Heaven's response.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and and then, you know, Gabriel had to get help from, he says, Michael, you know, uh, came and helped.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so, and then somehow, without going into too much detail, Gabriel didn't decide to explain all that was happening there.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: There was some opposition.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_03: Gabriel was was stayed in his advancement.
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  SPEAKER_03: Michael came and helped, and then that's when break, that's when breakthrough happened.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so, but it's just the the the reality of number one, I think people can get discouraged if they haven't immediately seen the things that because we do see that in the Bible, right?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we do see that, right?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: We've uh we were talking earlier about you know the the book of Acts, where it was, you know, the the prayer of the apostles after, I think.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: it was after Peter and John came back uh from you know being beaten and told to shut up about Jesus where they were they were gathered together uh and they prayed you know Lord consider their threats stretch out your hand to heal in the name of in the name of uh you know uh in the name of Jesus and the place of Jesus yeah and that's right right and then there was the there the place was shaken and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and they spoke the word of the Lord boldly boldly right and so that was the interesting thing is like there seemed to be an immediate response.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah that's right right yeah and so we hear we have these two sort of juxtaposed situations that when we pray and we've seen this right in our own life so yeah but I think the thing that I want to drive home is is that when we pray heaven responds.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah that's right and so I I don't know just the what what hits you out of out of some of that like so what I love right away about that is the confidence we can have yes that there is a response heaven brings.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: You're right right so it helps us it helps us have the right lens for what happens next.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah um if the if an ans if I'm praying and an answer seems to be being delayed I can have confidence God's working.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: So it helps me interpret what's going on uh I I am not to be discouraged if if a a prayer an answer to prayer is delayed.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right because why because God promised right because I can read about it in Daniel I know heaven's heard me yeah if if there's if things are being held up could be a number of reasons why I can be lit I can have an active ongoing interaction in prayer with the Holy Spirit.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Holy Spirit I'm not gonna come up with my reasons why this is being delayed.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm open would you help my like like Daniel would you help my heart to understand what's going on and and it it encourages my my my confidence stuff's happening because God promised not because I'm praying right not because whatever whatever I heaven is hearing if I'm coming praying if God needs to adjust my heart if he needs to train me in this or that well I'm open to that it's not to condemn me but it's to is to actually help me develop as his child but I don't have to feel hopeless.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess that's what I'm saying.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have to feel abandoned it helps me that way to if that if I'm willing to embrace hey why should I pray today?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well because heaven responds when I pray we like we can come to that fully trusting that the counselor of the Holy Spirit will train us in that process.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: The worst thing we can do is not show up to pray.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like because I think I think at some level there are times when discouragement can set up disappointment can set up whatever.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that that's that's a that's uh important to acknowledge here as we're sort of talking about heaven what heaven does when we pray right uh it's it's really that that that there is definitely opportunity for discouragement uh and really this uh this reality of and I think this is a little bit where sometimes our experience can be elevated above the word of God.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_03: Right definitely right and so we've we talked we talked about this the other the other night but really like in in really subtle ways too is like when discouragement sets in maybe disappointment sets in something didn't happen the way we draw conclusions we draw conclusions based on our experience.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yep absolutely and yet here we are you know you know presented with and I think there's a there is a biblical theme you know again back back to Jeremiah 29 that when you you will find me when you seek me with all your heart there is a there is a uh there is a there is a consistent biblical narrative uh throughout the word of God that when that when people pray you know the hand of God moves.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right and that's what we mean by we say heaven response like the hand of God moves on behalf of the the person praying right and so that's the that's the interest that's the really interesting thing is like there is a there is a a an extraordinary biblical narrative that says you know uh ask anything in my name and I will get it will be done.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right Jesus prays these you know or gives us these outrageous uh commands right uh makes these outrageous statements that when you pray something's gonna happen.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right right well right I so I I like to say prayer partners earth with heaven.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah right agreed like that that it prayer prayer helps me step into my position.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yes I'm here to reign in this life yeah in the name of Jesus as a human being like I it doesn't matter if I'm doing it perfectly or not yeah uh this is my purpose for being here is in the name of Jesus I'm on this planet doing this life because I'm designed to rule and reign.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so is every other person that throws their faith on Jesus receives the gospel and you know we you become a son and daughter of our or daughter of God and there we go.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Our from there on we're reigning and part of our reigning and a big part of our reigning is prayer.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yep agreed so it's it's um so yeah so I I just think that partnership of this is heaven you know so heaven I mean as we say you know God Father Son Holy Spirit heaven heaven is having the greatest day yes like heaven's having like God's will is being done fully in heaven yes so when we pray we're saying as representative of earth I say here to God let your kingdom be here as it is in heaven heaven's already anticipating responding like it's already an anticipation on heaven's part right and a desire for the advancement of heaven's reality.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: We matter yeah but it's bigger than us.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yes like it's not about oh look Dan's praying it's Dan as a new creation human being is reaching out right it's not that Dan you know again it's not you know oh Dan's praying it's that it's the the fruitfulness of your prayer depends on your alignment with heaven.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right right heaven's heart right the heart of God hidden with Christ and God yes to get very just connecting the dots hidden with Christ and God so I'm praying with and we had a whole episode on in Christ what does it mean right but yeah so totally I love that it we should just man I love this if we could just if I could just be as confident as I am in this conversation if I could just carry this air with me everywhere I go throughout this week yeah because it is really that like there's just that that energetic like anticipation from heaven saying what does earth want today yeah and we're saying earth wants to see God's kingdom move here and now in these situations yeah heaven's like all right we're in we're in say no more things are in motion and and but I can anticipate yeah absolutely and I I think it's just there is a I mean the the sort of the massive elephant in the room is timing right there is a there is a reality somehow uh I would love it for my heart to be fully convinced of heaven's willingness and also the surrender of the timing right and and and I think and and also let me just throw this in there we can be really forgetful right we can be really forgetful at times like I'm just doing a little bit of a mental review about you know things that we've heard right things that we've heard of God doing.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: Right right and we were we had a team meeting uh a a couple weeks ago uh our prayer team got together and I just went back and recited you know eight to ten testimonies of God you know healing reconciling uh you know ministering to and no they weren't yeah right and I think and I know that if you had if I had not had that list I would have been hard pressed right to yeah to remember to remember the specifics yeah right which I think is I'm sure I've t I've said at times that testimony is important yeah like it's critical I think to uh to building my faith right uh there so but but just read the reality is like so I would love it if I could just rest in or be confident in heaven's willingness to respond and also uh surrender the timing perfectly and also uh teach my teach my heart to remember his faithfulness right right to just trust like the testimony builds trust right so I think there's a couple there's a couple avenues there there where it's like God you know help me in my perseverance right in prayer yes right you know the that you know the book of James tells us the effect of a fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much right so it's like it's it's it's do it does stuff in the spirit yes you know when right when when I pray according to like not because of my righteousness because of Christ's righteousness obviously right so there's and just as an encouragement to everything yeah yeah that that's that thought right there is preceded in that chapter from James actually we're saying Elijah yeah was just a man right he was not a superhero Elijah was just a man like you and I yeah yeah and he prayed and the famine came then he prayed again and the rain came yeah and then he says what you just quoted right if you if you if you righteous people yeah pray it avails much like it accomplishes a lot yep it's like okay similarly to Elijah well that's pretty awesome company it's pretty awesome company and how much more does Jesus say you know uh how much is the least you know the least in the kingdom greater than who we read about in the old testament yeah right so absolutely so and and just so just to encourage people not as a you know like a pat on the back it's just to encourage people that your prayers matter to heaven your your proud your prayers matter to the heart of God.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_03: So if we can be convinced in heaven's response right like that we can be convinced God help our heart come convince our hearts that when we pray heaven is overjoyed and that the Lord is pleased with our prayer and that he is moving on our behalf.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yes and then also at the same time be like all right Lord I believe that you've given me your yes and I'm going to surrender when I think this should happen knowing knowing really knowing that that I don't like we pray in part we prophesy in part right according to the word of God.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah so we don't see things you know even uh even situations that may be incredibly obvious to us where like they we have that you know we can respond that way and at times like this is so obvious.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: I yeah there's a there's one word that had that has had a big influence on my prayer life yeah especially in the area of God fulfilling what he's promised right this word eventually yes yeah that word has helped my prayer life so much especially when it comes to uh battling against tauntings yeah um intimidation from the enemy tauntings from the enemy in the unseen realm yeah uh dark feelings of hopelessness or oh you should give up this isn't working you're not doing it right these things yeah is is that word putting like God is all of his promises are yes and amen in Christ Jesus and God will do everything he has promised eventually eventually could be by tomorrow at noon yeah could be by supper time tonight or it might be 10 years from now.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah but I can rest that word eventually has helped me out so much when people like well apparently God's not doing anything.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I'm saying oh yes he is and he's doing what he promised right and we're gonna see it eventually eventually and I'm okay with that because that has nothing to do that doesn't that doesn't change the certainty of what God intends to do.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right it's just the time it's the timing of it.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right and so this is this is why I tend to at times chafe under the what feels like impatience to me when it comes to um our western sort of idea of of of like results.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like we have a good friend the micro the microwave yeah yeah so we our good friend Amy Howard often talks about God moves at the speed of a growing plant you know like it's so much of the way God does what he does in scripture is you plant this thing and it grows and then it bears fruit eventually well it takes a while.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah you know it's it's just the openness to it doesn't have to be immediate to say God is at work.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's at work in the slow process too and so it's a I think there's a healthy uh irritation with that idea when people get disheartened because we're not seeing that happen right now.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah we can really with a lot of healthy boldness and and heavenly sanity say God is working.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: And we've seen this too uh you know just talking about healing right that that I have seen so much and heard of so much healing that happens in a moment and then I'm also thinking about you know uh someone that we walked with and had many prayer sessions with over the course of a year that they went from a terminal diagnosis right to a clean bill of health.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right right yeah and that wasn't that that wasn't accomplished in a moment right right it was a journey yeah right there was plenty of ups and downs yeah and there was pr plenty of like I'm just I'm dragging my butt to prayer lots of perseverance there's lots of perseverance in that and the un unwillingness to give up uh on seeing the hand of God move yeah and just to just to say that that there is a and again someone's someone said I don't know who but talking about the kingdom of God is now and not yet right there is this there is this now element of there are times and definite God moving in the moment and then there are times of like of where it seems like the that God is delayed.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Dude and there is there is opportunity in both of those for God to be glorified.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yes and totally if we can champion something I would love to champion that in this age God's glorified when the instant miracle happens yes God is also glorified in the long process when I don't get bitter yeah and when my friends and I don't get bitter and start putting our judgments on that instead we're joyful in the Lord.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah he's glorified and and I just would love to champion both those things yeah to just say yeah there's there the the glory like Jesus is being glorified in both of those things is right there's a well just even just to just sorry just to jump in jump in there like even in the midst of the delay right your your your experience of who God is like he's he's moving already right like it's like right yeah you're you're asking God heal this thing or God or God provide for this thing or God give me breakthrough in this thing this thing I'm asking for.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: You're growing up right and yeah but and it's like but yet all like until that thing happens there's the the journey along the way you know the Lord has made himself available to be known yeah and if that's true and we know it's true because we've experienced it it's uh he's moving like he's also moving in that in the midst of us pursuing the thing that's right is on our hearts to ask the Lord for.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: And to get real poetic it's like he's putting another ring on you as an oak of righteousness.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: There you go like he's like you're he's put he's putting another ring building you into that that oak of like you're like you're growing as an intercessor.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and and yeah that there there's a um there's a uh really cool little principle I think it's Colossians chapter three verse eighteen where Paul talks about you know whether you're eating or drinking or whatever you're doing do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus giving thanks to the Father through him.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah that phrase something happened with that phrase in my life a few years ago that's really been helpful and I feel like it's an invitation to live your life as prayer because it's like Paul lists very basic things.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: He says do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus giving thanks to the Father through him right well that to me is prayer.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like like what like it's in the midst of this conversation if heaven moves when I pray well why don't I pray more often and I think Paul would say good question my friend why don't you just go ahead and he he's saying don't wait for the special epic moments right understand that everything you do do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus or the sake of the Lord whatever however you want to phrase that for Jesus' sake giving thanks to the Father through him like giving thanks communicating thanks to the Father in the midst of whatever you're doing in the name of Jesus like how how much could heaven throw it out to a challenge to anybody listening to myself to all of us how much more could heaven be moving on our behalf if we would just go ahead and let that be like the things that I'm doing Paul saying hey you it's fair game to do whatever you're doing in the name of Jesus or you could do it not and miss you could like you could to go back to our beginning of our conversation you could totally not take Paul up on it and do whatever you're doing just without thinking about you know Jesus and giving thanks to the Father and you're gonna reap like very earthly results.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: And Paul's saying why not just take everything you're doing and do it all with Jesus in the name letting that become a part of your rhythm of your day just respond to your emails with Jesus.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like thank you God drive drive to work with Jesus dude like what uh and man our pastor yesterday brought an amazing pastor brent brought an amazing message on the inviting Jesus to meet you in whatever you're doing.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like man that was killing me in the best way beautiful like man if I'm in temptation if I'm in if I've messed up if I'm doing well if I'm troubled whatever it is Jesus come and meet me here.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: I want to meet you here and I'm like yeah that it's a similar I it's a similar invitation but I guess so just to throw it out and say wow like how much more does heaven want to move on behalf of our prayers yeah like I I bet that Daniel on that day when Gabriel gave him that awareness like I'm sure that that stoked the fire of Daniel who was already a very active intercessor.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes but I'm sure that stoked stoked his fire in big ways.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I'll just say like um maybe here as we just sort of land do we have to I understand I know I think I had lots of coffee this morning Anthony I just really just uh let's just maybe ask the Lord to convince us maybe just um to convince our hearts that he is he is he wants to and continues to and is currently responding To the things that matter most to us.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like it really is.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_03: And and according to, you know, even in our wonky modes, dare I say, like the the prayers that he's going to respond to are in accordance to his word, his will, his heart, to it's just who he is.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_03: And just to say that God, you know, God, would you come and convince our hearts that that that you are interested in responding, that you're not far off, that you're not um that we're, you know, that you're you're not like distant and you're not uh um not even it's not even it's not even just that disconnected, unwilling.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you know, you're not unwilling to respond.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: You're not there seeing, you're not sitting there going, you know, that God isn't there sitting there going like try harder, right?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_03: Pray, pray this magic phrase, yeah, you know, and then I'll respond.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's not like that.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and that, but also just that God would give us grace to just wait, to just wait on him and not not wait uh in a not wait in a uh uncertain way.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right, wait in an expectant way.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_03: That God, I know that you've heard me.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_03: You know, that if we would have the audacity to pray like Jesus pray, like God, I know that you always hear me.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, that's right.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_03: You know, if we'd have that audacity to pray from that place, that there's a lot of wow, there's a lot of heart convincing, I think, that the that I want the Lord to do.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I know it's great in my life, wow, like God can come and convince my heart, come and convince my heart of your eagerness to respond to me.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_03: And and give me grace to to surrender the event like to the eventually.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_03: Man.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_03: And so just to that's good, just to say that maybe maybe I I think it's me.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's I think it's me.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe we can just lean into that.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds great.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_03: Let's just pray.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_03: Father, we just come before you and just thank you, Lord.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_03: We just acknowledge your presence here in this conversation.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and we just ask, God, that you would uh, number one, uh, that you would that Holy Spirit, that you would glorify Jesus.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and that God, that according to your word, Lord, we uh ask that you would come and convince our hearts of your willingness and your eagerness to respond to the cries of our heart, Lord.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_03: And so just Lord, that's the first time I'm asking for, Lord.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: Here we are, God, just asking God that we are often uh distracted, discouraged, disappointed, and we allow that to quench the uh fire for prayer in our hearts.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so Lord, we acknowledge that and we repent of that, Lord.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_03: We just repent of our prayerlessness, we repent of our discouragement, we repent of our disappointments, or we say, here they are, Lord.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: We just say, Lord, we we put those at the foot of Jesus at the cross.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Jesus' name.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_03: And we just break up, yeah.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_03: We break up with our disappointments, we break up with our discouragement, we break up with the lies that we believe that this is not who you are and this is not what you're like.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_03: God, and so we just receive grace, we receive the gift of faith, we receive grace to, yeah, just grace to keep going, grace to persevere and to be joyfully expectant of your hand at work, God.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so in the middle of that, Lord, we just surrender our time, timing.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_03: We we sir, we surrender the timing to you, we surrender the eventually to you and say that's yours to decide.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_03: And God, so I just pray, Lord, for for Dan and I, and Lord, and for whoever's listening, God, we just pray great grace uh and great encouragement that we would be encouraged by uh by who you are, by your spirit moving in and through us uh in these days, in Jesus' name.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's a wrap on this episode.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a privilege to have you as an honored guest as we all learn to hear God better.
• 48:40
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• 48:50
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