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  And I'm happy to have on back on the program Albert Katzen.
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  He is the author, creator, founder of You Be the News and
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  also You be annotated.com. Welcome back.
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  How are you, Albert? Doing good.
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  Thanks for having me, Jim. We had you on a couple of months
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  ago and you were telling us about your upcoming trip to
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  Georgia. And I'm not talking about
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  Atlanta, I'm talking about Georgia and Asia.
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  Tell us about what inspired you to want to go to the country of
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  Georgia. Well, the big inspiration was
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  being invited to visit Georgia. For the last 10 years, I've been
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  having Zoom conversations with a woman named Marina Gigi Ashvili,
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  who learned about my work on the Internet and got in touch.
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  And she's been the sole Urantia book reader in Georgia for like
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  decades. And then about a year or so ago,
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  she found one other Georgian who was willing to take an interest
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  in the book, and he's taking a very powerful interest in it.
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  His name's Shota, and he's read through it once and listened
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  through it twice in the last year or so.
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  So he's obviously pretty enthusiastic.
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  And I've been learning about Georgia through Marina for years
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  now and it's an incredibly interesting country, both in a
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  contemporary sense and it and historical sense, and also in a
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  Eurasia book specific context. It's really quite at the
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  crossroads of the birth of humanity and, and all of the
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  major epics and and rebellions and defaults and all of it.
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  So because the Caucasus Mountains are its northern
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  border and it creates the barrier between the Black Sea
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  and the Caspian Sea, it's created a little bottleneck
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  there of humanity, because you could go either E into the
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  Orient or and go West up into Europe or South into Africa and
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  the Mideast. But the Caucasus Mountains sort
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  of stop the direct northerly route.
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  And so for that reason, it, you know, created a certain kind of
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  gene pool and history. This is the area where the
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  mighty men of old were hanging out, and this is the area of
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  Lake Van. And there's numerous lakes that
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  have the word Van embedded in them in that area.
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  They definitely have preserved that name in their history, even
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  though they don't understand it well.
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  But I would mention at this point, one of the things I've
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  learned recently is that they found underwater megalithic
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  architecture in Lake Van. It's like 85 feet deep.
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  And they came to realize that this got buried under the water
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  because of the volcano that exploded about 12,000 years ago
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  and shut off the outlet to the lake.
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  So that of course, caused the water to rise and for the
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  architecture to get flooded. And because you're able to date
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  that pretty readily in terms of when the volcano blew, they've
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  got a date for that megaphythic architecture that as old as
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  Gobekli Cafe and much more refined in its nature.
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  There's this whole wooden, wooden is rather stone tower
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  where where you've got, you know, perfectly huge stone that
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  you don't need any mortar between them.
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  And it's just incredible. Apparently these are the deepest
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  monoliths, you know, submerged of all the ones around the
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  world. Other ones tend to be closer to
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  the shore because of just experiencing shoreline changes.
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  But this was a more dramatic geological event, you know, in
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  relationship to the lake. So it got submerged a lot more.
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  OK. So a couple of things.
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  I'll just have a couple questions on on what we've what
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  you've said so far. And I want to get to the part
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  where you gave your presentation and what you covered there.
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  So for those who don't know or or or perhaps might not know,
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  Lake Van was named after one of the 100 of the planetary
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  Prince's staff, Calagasia. And so for much of the world,
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  not that many people I can think of know that Lake Van was
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  actually named and goes back hundreds of thousands of years.
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  And Van played a a role, couple of important roles #1 he
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  established a, a civilization or a Cultural Center in that region
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  of Lake Van, which bears his name.
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  And I'm not sure that people in the world really have ever made
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  a connection of where exactly the name came from.
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  I mean, outside of the Urantia book, is there any literature
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  that explains where the name came from?
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  I think they do have some traditions.
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  They're related to the name, but I couldn't expound on them.
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  OK, obviously it's not lost on them that they're using that
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  word and that that syllable is meaningful to them, but I, I
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  couldn't really give you the the stories.
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  And then, of course, on the point of that region, the
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  Nodites went through that area, the Adamites, the Blue Man,
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  obviously, when again, based on the Urantia narrative, the the
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  Sangit Graces that went to Europe, notably the Blue and
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  even the Andonites before them would have travelled that area.
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  So when how how says that it's heavily travelled.
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  It is a historically, it's the cradle, it's the passageway of
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  the cradle of civilization to all of Europe and Asia.
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  So one can imagine the rich culture.
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  It's probably one of the most, the oldest establishments for
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  civilization on the planet. Is is that a fair statement?
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  Well, yes, I think so. And, and one of the things I
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  needed to do for the presentation, of course, was to
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  create some slides to give some visuals in an effort to help
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  people put all of this history together in their minds as
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  quickly as possible so that I could get on to some of the
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  specific reports. And so I did end up creating a
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  slide of the greater Mesopotamia area, you know, that extends to
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  the Sowalik hills in northern India and and captures that
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  whole expanse of where the Andonites started out, the first
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  human beings, where the colored races, the Sangux emerged
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  further to the West. And then how the rebellion, the
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  Lucifer rebellion created the Novites and, and that led to Van
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  and the Garden of Eden. And you know, all of that is in
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  the same area, generally speaking.
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  And the slide presentation I'll just mention now currently at
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  the bottom of the Gobekli Tepe web page on you be annotated,
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  there is a link to that. And also recently I just got a
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  video of the presentation posted.
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  Of course, it's a little bit more Georgian friendly than for
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  people who speak English because it's all being translated into
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  Georgian. But hopefully I'll get another
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  presentation done just in English, you know, and, and get
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  all of this presented that way for our English speaking
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  audience. But you know, that was an actual
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  thing to do. And, and people can go and also
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  the quick links for that on my sub stack.
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  If you go to the UV, the news sub stack or Halbert Katz and
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  either one of those searches will get you to it.
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  That'll also provide links to both the presentation and PDF of
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  the slides. So that being said, excuse me,
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  happy to report we had about 30 people show up at the Georgia's
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  National Library in Tbilisi. They had a beautiful room there
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  to accommodate us with all the technology we needed readily
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  available. And so the presentation went on
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  for about two hours almost. We had a little time for
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  questions at the end, but with all that translating that needed
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  to be done, we were just barely getting through it.
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  One of the things that was especially special about giving
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  the presentation, which I haven't given for 10 years now,
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  is that we've got new research related to Adam and Eve's
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  genetics. The very first UV the news
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  report turned out to be this one.
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  And it concerns genetics research done by a very renowned
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  geneticist named Bruce Law. And this was in the early 2000s
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  out of the the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, which is part
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  of the University of Chicago. And he was focused in on the
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  microcephalin gene, which is responsible for brain growth,
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  and he noticed that there was an extra piece of genetic material
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  like stuck on to it for some people and not for others.
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  And so he decided to study that. He determined that it entered
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  the human gene pool about 37,000 years ago from a single source
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  and migrated quickly into the human population.
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  And of course, all of this tracks very nicely with what the
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  Urantia book says about Adam and Eve's genetics.
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  His research showed where it went and where it didn't go.
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  And that all paralleled the Urantia book.
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  And because it didn't get into sub-Saharan Africa, the research
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  became very controversial. And because it was suggesting
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  that there might be intelligence differences between the races
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  and that was not the politically correct interpretation for
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  science in America. This is ironic for Bruce Long
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  because he immigrated from China and was hoping to enjoy a
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  greater degree of academic freedom in the United States
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  than he did in China. So he does this revolutionary
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  work that is profound in its implications.
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  And then they basically had to disavow the implications of it
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  and say, oh, this couldn't possibly have anything to do
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  with intelligence. And they just shut down work on
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  on that microcephalin gene and, and studying it any further.
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  Well, that was the early 2000s. And then lo and behold, in 2019,
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  the Chinese decide to take that extra piece of the microcephalin
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  gene. They call it MCPH One and splice
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  it on to some rhesus monkeys and the monkeys became smarter.
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  So in an incredible twist of irony, China has come around and
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  proved up the significance of what Bruce Juan had to leave
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  China to discover in the 1st place, but then couldn't
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  continue with it because the US politics wouldn't allow it.
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  So that whole unfolding drama is, is just rich with irony and
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  rich with importance. And, and so it's fun to deliver
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  that. And of course, I never really
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  had a chance to until more recently when the Chinese, you
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  know, came along with this and, and I got to tell you, it's it's
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  a, it's a great way to present that material.
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  Now, it was powerful before the Chinese did that.
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  It was a plenty powerful report. But now with the more recent
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  Chinese research, it's just, you know, over the top, impressive
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  and and fun to talk about. I would guess that even now,
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  especially now, the microcephalin gene study is
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  still sort of suppressed, right? I mean, then people in the West
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  are not going to go anywhere near that even right now,
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  correct? I I think you're correct
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  because, you know, for instance, I didn't learn about this until
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  just recently in the last year, even though it happened back in
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  2019. And your answer book readers
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  have been feeding me news stories all the time, you know,
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  asking, hey, how big is this a verification?
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  Does that cooperate? Your rancher book history?
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  Can you use this? Can you use that?
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  And nobody came to me with this. So yes, I think that you're
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  right. Even though they did the
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  research and it did get published, we didn't want to
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  make a big deal of it here in this country and didn't and
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  haven't, and what a shame. Let me ask you a question on
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  that and and you may not know the answer to this, but I'll ask
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  you just in case you you might. Is there any chance that with
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  this new CRISPR technology that they, that nefarious powers
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  might try to use the microcephalin genes to create an
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  army of very smart humanoids or something like that?
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  I mean this is something like that could be do that could be
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  done. Well, I think the Chinese have
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  already proven that it can be done.
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  I mean, not only can it be done, it can be done on an
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  interstacial level, which, you know, has all kinds of strange
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  implications. You know, they they make sci-fi
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  movies about that, you know, Planet of the Apes and
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  everything. You know, the more recent ones,
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  they go in the genetics direction with it, of course.
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  But this is now reality. And you know, what's strange
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  about the whole conversation is that it tends to go in the
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  direction you just said. Oh, my goodness, what if people,
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  you know, use CRISPR to try to make smarter babies?
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  Hey, how about if you just have sex and procreate with people
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  who have that, you know, like we could do this the old fashioned
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  way. There's no reason to get overly
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  tricky about it. Maybe we should just respect,
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  you know, what this means and plan accordingly And and you
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  know, get with the regular plan that maybe populations that
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  don't have it need to find a donor and and you know, someone
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  interested to take the leap with them and start a family that
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  way. You know this is I'm going to
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  state the elements problem well. It's because of our, I mean,
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  we've had the only other experience that most of us ever
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  know about was of course, what, what, you know, they were doing
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  with eugenics back in the 20s and 30s.
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  So I think that's probably why there's a soft spot in this area
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  of science. We don't want to make that
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  mistake again. But at the same time, people do
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  through Introvert, they will scan and make sure that, for
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  example, they don't want to have a Down syndrome child or they'd
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  like to have a child that would be free from certain kinds of
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  genetic diseases that they could possibly inherit.
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  So there is a subtle shift towards the recognition that
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  it's a smart approach to think about what we are procreating.
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  But it's it's in its infancy. We're we're it's still too
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  close. I think, I think, I think it's
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  way beyond its infancy. I mean, the whole issue of in
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  vitro fertilization and sperm banks has been around for
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  decades now. And people have been looking for
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  certain characteristics when they go to the sperm bank.
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  Hey, who was this guy? It's not a new conversation for
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  us. And when people talk about it
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  today, they say stupid things like this isn't exactly
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  eugenics, it's exactly eugenics. That's exactly what it is.
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  You know. It's funny people when they say
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  that that's not eugenics, but in the same paragraph or the same
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  breath, they have to admit that it is.
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  But we can't use that word, and it's just people being stupid
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  with language because we don't have the courage to use a
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  perfectly good word and develop it just like we did democracy.
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  We didn't give up on democracy when it started out with slavery
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  and women weren't allowed to vote and even white men couldn't
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  vote less. They owned property.
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  But we didn't demonize the word democracy just because it had
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  some immature, you know, progressive developments that
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  aren't living up to the ideals that we cherish today.
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  Well, the same thing with eugenics, you know, and, and we
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  need to get smarter about it, I think, and and more courageous.
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  And, you know, the real challenge is, is right in the
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  home. Parents have trouble just
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  talking about the subject with their children, the facts of
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  life, the birds and bees and what it means to procreate and
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  how genetics works. Yeah, well, we'll see.
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  It's just it's a hard conversation.
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  Well, it's only hard because of the, the racial overtones.
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  Everything is about being this or that.
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  And you know, that's all part of the greater political
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  discussion. But let's get back to the the
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  Georgia event. And you gave this presentation
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  and it was about, of course, the microcephalin.
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  But to to the other part, which I found interesting about your
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  story. And by the way, I would
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  recommend people listening to this podcast to follow Halbert
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  on Substack. I love Substack.
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  Byron Beletsus is also doing great stuff, too.
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  It's a great forum, smart people collaborating, sharing ideas.
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  And yours is particularly, I find, enjoyable, especially
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  knowing the fact that, you know, you're your Rancho book reader.
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  But tell me about. Yeah.
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  And, and, and, and one thing that captured me about your
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  story is that you actually introduced it.
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  Sound to me like you helped perpetuate the first study group
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  in Georgia of the Oranjibur. Well, I hope we're getting
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  something going that way. You know, there's certainly were
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  a number of people who were showing ongoing interests that
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  I'm still in touch with, the Marina is still in touch with.
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  And I thought it was just as exciting as could be at the end
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  when I really didn't know quite how well things are being
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  received and the number of. The women came up and asked to
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  have their Urantia books signed. That really let me know that,
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  yeah. What was did you sign?
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  Them there's. Something about.
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  Yeah, of course I said something about, you know, I hope it's a
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  great new beginning for you. And I signed my name and dated
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  it. It, you know, I had to come up
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  with something quick. You really didn't expect it?
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  Yeah, well, you know, good for you.
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  Yeah. The other thing I want to say is
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  that especially, you know, in a place like Georgia, which is so
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  close to the Gobekli Tepe archaeological site in Turkey,
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  and now they really refer to the dozen or so sites in that
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  Gobekli Tepe area as the Kepler collection of sites.
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  And, and so George's relationship to all of that,
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  just because of proximity is, is notable.
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  We discussed this at the beginning of our talk.
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  And so when I transition from talking about Adam and Eve to
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  then talking about Gobekli Tepe and how the snakes are better
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  interpreted as sperm and how other carved images on the stone
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  really look like a uterus and fallopian tubes, like, for
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  instance, the bull you normally associate with masculinity, of
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  course. But if you look at the way these
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  carvings are done, they'll have like an egg shape with an H in
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  the middle, like the chromosome H, you know, and, and
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  parentheses on either side of it.
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  And then you know, above you've got a single sperm pointing
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  towards it, and below you've got the bull's head with the horns.
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  And if you think about just a bull's head with the horns in
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  the way the horns curve, it looks like a uterus and
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  fallopian tubes. And there's other images that
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  aren't a bull but like look like archaeologists call it like the
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  back half of the fox, which basically means you have what
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  looks like a vagina going into a uterus and then has two
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  fallopian tubes. And at the end of those tubes,
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  there's some extra little lines that archaeologists will call
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  the feet. But from biology, we know that's
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  where the ovaries are. So it actually indicates, you
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  know, that they had some memory and understanding of, of human
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  biology this way and some teachings about it.
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  So I think, you know, that really helps tie it all together
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  very powerfully. I used to just focus on like the
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  Garden of Eden report and Adam and Eve because you get one
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  that's very visual and easy to present efficiently that way.
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  And then the Adam and Eve report is so powerful in its own right,
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  but when those two are then put before Gobekli Tepe, it really,
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  I think, presents a very powerful, impressive perspective
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  on what the Urantia book has to offer.
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  And so, you know, I just want to encourage people and remind
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  people that even though these topics are old, for us who've
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  been studying the Urantia book for a while and are aware of
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  these things, for someone who's new to it all, it's really quite
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  astounding. It's just getting better with
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  age, you know. So that's true because of the
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  Chinese research and it's true because of the way development
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  of the Gobekli Tepe and other archaeological sites has
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  proceeded so much. And, and now we've even got Lake
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  Van in the area. So, you know, there's really a
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  lot to to talk about and, and more so all the time.
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  What you're saying and what the Urantia book says, is that there
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  in our prehistory, there were pockets of civilization, but
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  they were, they were rooted in the Caligastia group and then
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  later the Adamites. And these were highly
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  intelligent beings that had a profound influence on early man.
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  Now, if you were to say that to an anthropologist, they would
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  laugh at you. However, that that narrative
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  actually would explain why there are these complicated structures
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  that have been built so long ago.
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  The only possible explanation would be that there was at one
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  point an advanced civilization. Well, yes, of course.
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  And, and this is challenging for archaeologists.
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  I mean, they understand that civilizations can come and go
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  and and not survive well for one reason or another.
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  Often climate is a is a major factor, of course, over long
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  expanses of time. But even still, you know, they
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  have only so much to work with and the genetics is just coming
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  along, you know, in more recent years.
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  And it's virtually impossible for them to be postulating the
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  type of stories that are in the Urantia book that explain why
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  we've got genetic markers from 200,000 years ago related to the
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  Lucifer rebellion in creating the Nodites and then the
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  Adamites 150,000 years later. It's it, you know, it's a pretty
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  strange story, except that it fits the facts so well.
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  But, you know, from a purely scientific perspective, I mean,
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  they can't even determine, you know, correlation between brain
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  size and being human, right? Because you can't really tell
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  how well a brain is working just because you know how big it is.
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  Was it a beautiful country? Pretty country?
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  Did you get a chance to go out into the country and take a look
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  at some of the ruins or? No, I didn't have a chance to
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  get outside the city much. I did on one occasion go see a
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  archaeological site at the edge of the city or just outside the
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  city, and that's as Ferrari as I got outside the city.
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  There is a lot of left to be desired there.
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  I I thought there was going to be better English among the
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  people doing business in the shops and things like that.
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  The the biggest cultural challenge is that Russians will
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  speak English in an effort to hide being Russian.
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  And everyone knows this. So if I start speaking in
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  English and forget to say I'm from America, I can get some
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  negative energy. And I didn't realize that at
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  first. But the political tensions in
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  Georgia are very real. The younger people, you know,
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  are going to have their interests.
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  The Russian tourists coming into Georgia want to enjoy American
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  chic clothing and jewelry and perfumes and things like that.
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  You'll see in, you know, the big mall in, in downtown Tibilisi.
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  It's amazing how Western, you know, the the stores are.
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  You get further out of the city, of course, and things get more
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  traditional and, and it's a small country.
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  So all of this is mixed together in a relatively small
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  population. But unavoidably, because there's
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  always going to be differences between the city mouse and the
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  country mouse, between the young and the old, you know, you'll
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  have political differences. So all of these basic human
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  elements are are functioning in Georgia, but the population is
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  just so small and its place in world politics is so peculiar.
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  It's just got a lot of cross current going on very heavily
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  all at once. OK, so that's my conversation
• 28:45
  with Albert Katzen, just back from Georgia where he went on a
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  trip to promote the ranch book to some friends and a community
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  there. And what a great trip.
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  What great effort too. And also follow him on Sub Stack
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  as I mentioned, he's always got something cooking.