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'Love Island' Love Lessons: Why K.C. Chose Poorly #Titi · I Do, Part 2

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: The folks. It is Saturday, June twenty seventh, and we
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: get it. We get it.
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  Speaker 2: Casey is your villain of the season of Love Island,
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  Speaker 2: and last night he made one more decision that pissed
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: everybody off, and everybody's trying to understand it. The answer
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  Speaker 2: is pretty simple, and with that, welcome to this episode
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  Speaker 2: of Amy and TJ.
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  Speaker 1: Roopes. We did an episode previously.
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  Speaker 2: I had a bunch of questions for you about why
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: nice guys finished last hashtag Carl.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to listen to that. You broke that down,
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  Speaker 1: but you.
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  Speaker 2: Were women had questions about Casey and the bad questions
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  Speaker 2: for I guess a few episodes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, because look, and this is interesting. We talked about
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  Speaker 3: this from the beginning. You liked Casey and I did too,
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  Speaker 3: but I was a little skeptical, so was Sabine, and
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  Speaker 3: we pretty quickly were like, yeah, I think he's a player.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he's sincere. I don't think what.
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  Speaker 3: He's saying to Anaya is actually what he's feeling. And
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  Speaker 3: you were like, no, man, this is a good guy.
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  Speaker 4: He's great. You were all team Kseh.
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  Speaker 2: There were a couple of episodes where he was my
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  Speaker 2: favorite character on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and so look, I didn't want it to
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  Speaker 3: be true, but you kind of knew it. And then
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  Speaker 3: the second he gets over to Casamore, he acts like
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  Speaker 3: he is a dog in heat.
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  Speaker 4: And then it's just it was.
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  Speaker 3: Just disrespectful what he was saying about about Anaya, that
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  Speaker 3: he he was the reason why he like, He made
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  Speaker 3: her smile, he was the reason why, you know, she
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  Speaker 3: was good, and he had some leeway because of all
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  Speaker 3: the things he did for Anaya and all the things
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  Speaker 3: he meant to Anaya. It was just this weird, inflated
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  Speaker 3: sense of self. And then, yeah, we didn't want him.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't want him in the end. You didn't want
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  Speaker 3: him in the end to pick tt.
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  Speaker 1: No, I did not.
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  Speaker 4: You wanted him to pick an Eye.
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  Speaker 2: I did, because they've got time, they got history, and
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  Speaker 2: we obviously we all like Anaya, So you did want
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  Speaker 2: her to guy. And we I think we all suspected, right,
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  Speaker 2: she wasn't gonna pick Carl, no matter how nice of
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  Speaker 2: a guy.
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  Speaker 3: I'd tell she was still pining away for Casey the
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  Speaker 3: entire time. She was trying not to show it, she
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  Speaker 3: was trying not to say it, but we all knew
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  Speaker 3: she was meantime, flash over to Kse. He's like, Anaya,
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  Speaker 3: who so why why was he so quick?
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  Speaker 4: Look?
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  Speaker 3: I think we all felt it, we all saw it coming,
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  Speaker 3: but we all didn't want it to happen.
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  Speaker 4: Why then did he choose tit?
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  Speaker 1: How many weeks ago did this show start?
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  Speaker 4: Three weeks ago?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: The short answer, For the first time in three weeks,
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  Speaker 2: somebody showed an interest in him, That was it, sweetheart,
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  Speaker 2: For the first time in three weeks, he felt desired.
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  Speaker 2: For the first time in three weeks, he had two
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  Speaker 2: women excited about him, the possibility of him. That is
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  Speaker 2: simply it. He is a human being. And yes, men
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  Speaker 2: robes who often might not always get credit for being
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  Speaker 2: emotional or wanting those types of things. Being desired is
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  Speaker 2: a big deal. And this is something he complained about
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  Speaker 2: in the other place. So after three weeks, all this
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  Speaker 2: is pent up. You got two women that he thinks
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  Speaker 2: was attractive who are all over him.
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  Speaker 1: That was exciting.
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  Speaker 3: So is that what men want? Men want to be desired?
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  Speaker 3: Of course period that Trump's everything else.
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  Speaker 2: Trump's Oh it's I go too crazy here, But robes,
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  Speaker 2: I think we don't we talk about it with women
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  Speaker 2: all the time.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about it with women on this show. Did
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember.
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  Speaker 2: Which one it was where they didn't feel It might
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  Speaker 2: have been Trinity where he didn't feel desired.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I totally agree. I mean, look what you're saying,
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  Speaker 4: it makes like a woman one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we would say. We want to feel desired.
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  Speaker 3: I would think men want to be respected, and yes,
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  Speaker 3: of course every person wants to be desired. But I'm
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  Speaker 3: interested that he was so willing to walk away from
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  Speaker 3: someone who was clearly invested in him, who was fighting
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  Speaker 3: for him, who I think showed that she wanted to
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  Speaker 3: be with him, but he wanted instead to just have
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  Speaker 3: his ego stroked. Was it couldn't be superficial, there was
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  Speaker 3: no depth to TT.
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  Speaker 2: Well she didn't have time to get to the depth
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  Speaker 2: of TT. But no, we're putting I think we're holding
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  Speaker 2: him as a man to a different standard. We feel
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  Speaker 2: and want that thing you're talking about, and women will
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  Speaker 2: say it out loud. We want to be desired and
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  Speaker 2: want to be touched and one of all these things
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  Speaker 2: men want it, But we can't say that. So instead,
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  Speaker 2: what do we do? We act out? We act out
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  Speaker 2: When Naya didn't desire me. Now look at what I got.
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  Speaker 2: Now look at I am desired.
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  Speaker 1: I am so.
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  Speaker 2: He now reacts in an angry way by lashing out
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  Speaker 2: in Annaya. He reacts by playing these two women off
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  Speaker 2: of each other, which is him being immature in the
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  Speaker 2: back and forth.
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  Speaker 4: Because now he feel the man.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but roads that's all that is is the same
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  Speaker 2: thing women feel. We just don't say it out loud,
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  Speaker 2: and we're not allowed to react the way you all do.
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  Speaker 2: He reacts emotionally, but with anger, with more bravado. His
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  Speaker 2: feelings are hurt. Baby, that's a hurt dude. You never
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  Speaker 2: say that, but he's hurt.
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  Speaker 4: So we should feel sorry for Casey.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Do you jump into a conclusion. Don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Don't don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying there is a grace that should be allowed
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  Speaker 2: for a guy who is behaving badly because he too
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  Speaker 2: is hurt. His heart is hurt, his feelings are hurt,
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  Speaker 2: his ego is hurt. He opened the door on episode
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  Speaker 2: one and nobody was behind it.
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  Speaker 4: He mentioned that last night too.
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  Speaker 2: He has not been desired. He ends up with a
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  Speaker 2: Naya who had her eye on Sincere. In the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: did she not yes robes? And now he goes through
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  Speaker 2: he has been company. Now you have to give him credit.
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  Speaker 2: You want to say it was anauthentic, okay, but roads
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  Speaker 2: that were real moments we thought were real moments where
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  Speaker 2: he was comforting her, reassuring her, telling her she was
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  Speaker 2: beautiful when she was down.
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  Speaker 3: And those were the moments that she remembered. Those were
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  Speaker 3: the moments where and she gave that as her reason
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  Speaker 3: when she stood up there and said why she chose Casey,
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  Speaker 3: she referenced those.
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  Speaker 4: Moments specifically, yep, because.
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  Speaker 3: He made her feel special, He made her feel beautiful,
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  Speaker 3: He made her feel wanted and desired.
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  Speaker 2: So what happens when he doesn't feel wanted, special, beautiful,
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  Speaker 2: or desired. He's not allowed to express it that way
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  Speaker 2: because he's a twenty four year old black man. He's
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  Speaker 2: not allowed to get up and say, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 2: feel beautiful. She doesn't make me feel special and desired.
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  Speaker 2: You don't say that. What you do is steadily get
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  Speaker 2: frustrated and resentful along the way until what I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to another house and they're gonna put two women in
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  Speaker 2: front of me who are drooling over me.
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  Speaker 3: So is it less about t TI and more about
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  Speaker 3: how he feels about.
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  Speaker 1: Himself right now, Nigga, because no, t T love you.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, she's a wonderful person, but we've only known her
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  Speaker 2: a few episodes. We've been riding with Anaya for a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously we all are riding with a Naya. Oh, there's
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  Speaker 2: no way he knows enough about t T to think
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  Speaker 2: she has trumped the character of Anaya that he's gotten
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  Speaker 2: to know. Obviously that's not the case. But what has
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  Speaker 2: t T done played to his ego. She gave him
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  Speaker 2: exactly what she needs. She might have been studying it
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  Speaker 2: before she came in.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's she sounds like she might have been. Because
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  Speaker 3: she had her eyes set on him. She made it
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  Speaker 3: very clear, you're the only one, and when he said no,
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  Speaker 3: you should go see who else, she got so upset.
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  Speaker 4: And he liked it.
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  Speaker 3: He liked it that she got kind of mad at him.
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  Speaker 3: He giggled, he laughed. He still went with.
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  Speaker 4: The other one. Forgot what her name is.
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  Speaker 3: He went went and slept for Sidney, Sydney, so he
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  Speaker 3: kind of kept her on her toes. But she stayed
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  Speaker 3: and maybe it was even a test to see how
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  Speaker 3: she was going to react, and he liked how maybe
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  Speaker 3: she was gonna fight for him and she wasn't gonna
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  Speaker 3: go check out anyone else.
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  Speaker 4: She was his. She proved her loyalty and maybe that
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  Speaker 4: was enough.
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  Speaker 2: He appreciated that, but it was also Rose the opposite
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  Speaker 2: of what he was getting from Anaya. Now we can
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  Speaker 2: judge that if she was giving him enough, and maybe not,
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  Speaker 2: but we know.
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  Speaker 1: How he felt.
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  Speaker 2: He expressed how he felt in there at the time.
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  Speaker 2: So whether you think it was right or not, it
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  Speaker 2: was real. So Romp, it was the perfect storm for
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  Speaker 2: him to get over there. And now he's desired. And
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  Speaker 2: you were talking about how he was giddy and Rose.
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  Speaker 2: There were times he had some uncomfortable, awkward, even inappropriate
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  Speaker 2: laughter and giddiness as women were expressing frustration, Oh you want.
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  Speaker 1: To go sleep with hell, Hey, come on, bruh.
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  Speaker 2: And that stuff was that he's a giddy kid again,
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  Speaker 2: who's all of a sudden a good looking dude, a
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  Speaker 2: confident dude.
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  Speaker 1: Who now this guy's mojo back?
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  Speaker 4: Is he a player?
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  Speaker 2: And he's twenty four years old and single? Every guy
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  Speaker 2: that's the answers yes to every guy you name.
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  Speaker 4: Is it wrong for women to expect him not to be.
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  Speaker 2: Wrong to expect him not to be. No, you should
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  Speaker 2: absolutely expect him not to be based on what he
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  Speaker 2: tells you. But in this environment, he's doing what he's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do.
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  Speaker 1: Is he not the thing? I take issue with the
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  Speaker 1: way he spoke.
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  Speaker 2: I'd choose me the way well, not even that, which
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  Speaker 2: was also terrible. I'm talking about at the CASA or
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  Speaker 2: speaking about an eye behind her back, And I think
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  Speaker 2: Corbin might have been the worst. But Casey, what was
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  Speaker 2: the thing? I don't even give a f what was
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  Speaker 2: the thing he was?
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  Speaker 3: He said he didn't give an f He didn't feel
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  Speaker 3: anything when he saw her with another guy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what do you believe that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, no, because if you.
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  Speaker 3: Have to say that, anyone who we've seen say that
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  Speaker 3: absolutely feels the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: That's a hurt guy who, as a black young black man,
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  Speaker 2: is not allowed to emotionally express how he's hurting. He
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: can't go all Bryce in the confessionals, right, he's a
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  Speaker 2: different guy. It's not his personality but robes. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know how to express himself in a mature way, and
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  Speaker 2: it comes out in a bad way by bad mouthing Anaya.
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  Speaker 1: He likes Anaya. He cares about Anaya. He does, but
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  Speaker 1: all of the I don't give a damn. You see
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  Speaker 1: a face not stop. He's hurt.
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  Speaker 2: That's a hurt dude. So we are witnessing a hurt
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  Speaker 2: dude behaving in no other way that he knows that
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  Speaker 2: is now turning him into a complete villain for the
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  Speaker 2: season who will never get any.
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  Speaker 1: Bit of grace woo.
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  Speaker 2: But he's a human being, I believe robes, and all
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  Speaker 2: I see is human being behavior. I see behavior that
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  Speaker 2: I've expressed in some point in my life. In all
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  Speaker 2: of these guys, I've seen mistakes, I've seen some positives, ropes.
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  Speaker 2: They're just human beings doing stupid tough and we're having
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  Speaker 2: to see it and judging them for every bit of it.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, when we come back, I have a couple
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  Speaker 3: more questions for you, first of all, about what Anaya
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: could have done differently from your opinion, to have changed
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  Speaker 3: perhaps how she and Casey ended up, and what you
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  Speaker 3: thought of Case's reaction to Anaya confronting him. And welcome
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  Speaker 3: back everyone, as we are discussing some of the love
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  Speaker 3: lessons that we have learned from Love Island, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: genuinely asking you on behalf of all women who were watching,
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  Speaker 3: and on behalf of all women who were frustrated and
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  Speaker 3: annoyed by Casey because we saw it coming.
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  Speaker 4: We knew what he was going to do. And then
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  Speaker 4: he did exactly what we hoped he wouldn't, but we
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  Speaker 4: knew he would. He dumps Anaya, brings in T T.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm curious you mentioned that he was hurt and
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  Speaker 3: that he felt somehow rejected by Anaya.
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  Speaker 4: I was watching Anaya.
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  Speaker 3: I thought she made it very very clear and she
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  Speaker 3: was fighting for him, and yes she was. She was
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  Speaker 3: asking for more from him, She was asking she didn't
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  Speaker 3: feel loved or desired by him necessarily, and I thought
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  Speaker 3: she made it perfectly clear she wanted to be with him.
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  Speaker 4: What did she do wrong? Why was that message not received?
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  Speaker 2: Because they're not listening to each other and then are
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  Speaker 2: respecting each other, and every time, every time she says
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  Speaker 2: she's not getting enough, some comparative suffering, Well I'm not
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  Speaker 2: getting enough, and it went into that lane. They're just
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  Speaker 2: not listening. Both of them have a fair argument. Both
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  Speaker 2: of them are, but rose they also had history. They've
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  Speaker 2: been together a year or so. You would understand that
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  Speaker 2: kind of behavior in your partner, you would understand that
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  Speaker 2: they don't mean or that they're having a bad moment,
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  Speaker 2: and they really do care about me. They just don't
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  Speaker 2: have that foundation robe. So what she should have done
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  Speaker 2: or could have done differently in this environment, that's hard
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  Speaker 2: to say, But you have to listen to somebody.
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  Speaker 1: You have to.
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  Speaker 2: This is a big lesson. Doesn't matter if your partner robes.
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  Speaker 2: We know this, We've experienced this. It doesn't matter if
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  Speaker 2: you agree with them about your behavior. It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: if you don't have to agree with them about why
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  Speaker 2: they're upset. But if your partner says they are upset
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  Speaker 2: based on something you have done, you have got to
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  Speaker 2: shut up and listen and nothing more. And that should
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  Speaker 2: mean enough to you. If something is bothering you that
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  Speaker 2: your partner has done, you got to respect them enough
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  Speaker 2: to listen and not just defend and deflect. And that
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  Speaker 2: those two certainly were doing that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because she still wanted him though
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  Speaker 3: despite all of that, he didn't want her. Look, they
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  Speaker 3: I can't think of the last time they were happy
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  Speaker 3: and boot up. Maybe after they read that letter to
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  Speaker 3: one another. They seemed like they were happy and they
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: could trust one another way.
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  Speaker 1: It was downhill next episode, and it literally.
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  Speaker 3: Did, because all of a sudden, you start spiraling in
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  Speaker 3: soul and he wants to go pull someone for a chat.
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  Speaker 3: And this is really about the fear of rejection, the
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  Speaker 3: fear that your ego is going to get damaged, and
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  Speaker 3: then somehow you almost self sabotage to an extent that
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  Speaker 3: she got too upset. He got upset that she was upset,
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  Speaker 3: and that ended up pushing him away eventually. All right,
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  Speaker 3: how do you think he handled I mean, he did
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  Speaker 3: not speak basically when she gave him her two cents
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  Speaker 3: about I picked you, I picked you, you didn't pick me,
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  Speaker 3: and then girl Tit starts talking on his behalf. I'm
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  Speaker 3: curious why, as a man, why wouldn't he speak for himself?
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  Speaker 3: Why is he letting t t talk for him? That
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: caused so much more drama by his inaction.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now we might need to go back and watch
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  Speaker 2: this a little more. This wasn't the right environment for
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  Speaker 2: the conversation that needed to be happy between those two.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like the setup. There were five six women
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  Speaker 2: who are ready to attack him. He grew up, said
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  Speaker 2: one on one. Men might strip to get a word in.
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  Speaker 2: These were six angry women, and you're telling me you
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  Speaker 2: couldn't hear his voice. I'm saying, give him a break
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  Speaker 2: on that. He's not gonna shout them down. And it's
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  Speaker 2: also not his personality. He did need to stand there,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: he didn't need to take it. I would have loved
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  Speaker 2: for him to have said more or explained more. It
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: was very hard for her to hear. Not the right
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  Speaker 2: moment rose for him to say, I did this for me.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't the right time.
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  Speaker 4: I give were just about you and I. Yet we
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  Speaker 4: know it.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't the right time for that, so he made some
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  Speaker 2: missteps there. It's just these two are the biggest disappointment
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: because it didn't have to happen.
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  Speaker 1: We saw this in front of it.
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  Speaker 2: This did not have to happen between these two. Just
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  Speaker 2: a little simple moment.
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  Speaker 1: And this could have all been solved.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it sucks because they were kind of cool together
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  Speaker 2: and he was kind of good for her. But him
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  Speaker 2: taking credit for the yeah, I ride with her, she
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  Speaker 2: owes me back for I lifted her up kind of
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  Speaker 2: a thing. That's just a hurt guy, just a hurt dude.
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  Speaker 2: We hurt baby. That's the thing we never are expected to,
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  Speaker 2: so our behavior is not seen through that lens of
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  Speaker 2: a guy being in emotional pain because we're not supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 4: It's not papathetic.
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  Speaker 3: It becomes where you actually, oh yeah, oh god, feel.
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  Speaker 4: Anger towards them based on what they're saying. Yes, has hurt,
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  Speaker 4: people hurt.
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  Speaker 1: And we're behaving yes, but that's how young men ro
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  Speaker 1: sometimes behave. He's not going to go in there and cry.
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  Speaker 1: I've said it last night. He isn't bryce the oldest one.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: He's twenty nine.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: He's more in touch with his feelings.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: He's very in touch with his feelings.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: He's not afraid to be a lost puppy dog broken hearted.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: She can't do that. He doesn't know how to do that.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: And then when this woman is hurting, this woman that
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: he's been with for two weeks, he doesn't know how.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: How did he feel in that moment when she's crying?
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, what was going through his is in your
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: best guess what was going through his.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Second second guessing? He knew he made a mistake as
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: soon as t t open her mouth. He said, oh God,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: what have I done?
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Because think about it, if he had chosen if he
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: had chosen Anaya.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: What a wrapped up in a bow.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Exciting, amazing episode that would have been. I mean yes,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: you would have had the Corbin drama a little bit
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: with Permita, which is fine because Kenzie's got her guy,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: so it's not that big of a deal. It's more
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: funny than anything him getting booed. It was more like
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: lighthearted ha ha ha. But this just took it into
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: a absolute death spiral.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: This was his only chance for getting back into the
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: good graces of America is picking her total Maya Colpa,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I want to figure this out while we
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: still have a chance.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: It could have been the hero of the night.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Because he did.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: He screwed himself the past two or three episodes over
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: the Casa. He had a chance, and I wish you'd
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: taken it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Any chance of redemption now.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: For him, she's the only one that can give it
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: to him, and I don't know if she has that
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: in her now after this. I don't know, but he
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: can't get it by being in a have a t
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: T you kind would.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Come America's sweethearts. No, no, no, not happening anytime.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: You and I have a better chance of becoming America's
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: sweethearts than those two.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I love it all right, and with that everyone, we
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: always appreciate you listening to us.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: We thank you have made me Rebac alongside t. J. Holmes.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: We'll talk to you soon.