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BOMBSHELL! Missing Mom Suzanne Morphew 2-Year Love Affair, DID HUBBY FIND OUT? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young mother of
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Speaker 1: two seemingly vanishes while she's out on a bike ride
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Speaker 1: on Mother's Day of all day, She's all alone, no children,
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Speaker 1: no husband, know nothing. Her bike is found on a
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Speaker 1: remote bike trail. B s you can smell that a
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Speaker 1: mile away. Suzanne Moorephew did not have a bike accident
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Speaker 1: on Mother's Day. She's dead. Somebody killed her. The body
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Speaker 1: yet to be found, but bombshell. Right now, the case
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Speaker 1: is in court against husband, Barry Morphew for a preliminary hearing.
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Speaker 1: The state is in the sorry position of having to
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Speaker 1: reveal their cards and allow many of their witnesses to
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Speaker 1: be cross examined before we even strike a jury. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace one of the mini bombshells we've
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Speaker 1: just learned about, including this. Take listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at CBS four Denver prosecutors in this case said that
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Speaker 1: they had eight witnesses scheduled for the first two days.
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Speaker 1: So far, we've only heard from two of those witnesses,
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Speaker 1: as well as just several of apparently four hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty different exhibits they planned. Percent so far, we've seen
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Speaker 1: text messages between Susanne and her best friend. We also
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Speaker 1: learned quite a bit about a two year affair that
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Speaker 1: Susanne allegedly had. We also saw extensive text messages between
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Speaker 1: Susanne and her best friend from Indiana, Sheila Oliver, where
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Speaker 1: she called Barry a narcissist and made plan and to
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Speaker 1: leave him when her youngest daughter left for college. Barry
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Speaker 1: allegedly knew nothing of Susanne's affair. She didn't even tell
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Speaker 1: her friends. Investigators said that the only reason they found
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Speaker 1: out about this affair was due to a spypen that
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Speaker 1: she purchased thinking that Barry was also having an affair.
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Speaker 1: There is no doubt in my mind that Barry Morphew
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Speaker 1: did know about his wife's affair, and I'm not so
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Speaker 1: sure he wasn't playing the field as well. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at nine News Denver our cut
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Speaker 1: seventy investigators said today that Susanne Morphew had a two
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Speaker 1: year long affair leading up to the day that she disappeared.
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Speaker 1: Now they say that she spied on her husband, Barry
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Speaker 1: using a spy pen, believing that he was having an
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Speaker 1: affair as well. Investigators do not believe that Barry was
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Speaker 1: having an affair. Now, the man investigators called her lover
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Speaker 1: did not come forward to investigators when she disappeared, and
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Speaker 1: when we spoke with them months after she was missing,
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Speaker 1: when they learned about the affairs. Okay, that's not a
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Speaker 1: good look. If this is true, he's having an affair
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Speaker 1: with Susanne Morphew, she goes missing and he never calls police.
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Speaker 1: Just who is this guy? And I still don't believe
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Speaker 1: that Barry Morphy was not having an affair himself. Why
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Speaker 1: would she, Susanne Morphy buy a spy pen to try
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Speaker 1: to catch him and his affair. I guarantee you she
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Speaker 1: knows more than we know. With me and all star
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Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together again.
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Speaker 1: First of all, California prosecutor author, I've read the flags.
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, PhD dot com and host of Today with
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Speaker 1: Doctor Wendy Casey, b Q. Doctor Jory Krausen, psychologist, faculty
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Speaker 1: Saint Leo University, Research consultant and you can find him
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Speaker 1: at bwdash Institute dot com with me Cheryl McCollum, Foundering
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Speaker 1: director of the Coldcase Research Institute, forensics expert at Coldcase
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Speaker 1: Crimes dot Org Joe Scott Morgan you know him well,
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Speaker 1: death investigator, forensics professor at Jacksonville State University, author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet and started a brand new hit
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Speaker 1: series pikedon Massacre and you can hear that on iHeart.
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Speaker 1: Sydney Stell joining US news reporter k RDO News thirteen
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Speaker 1: and also Spencer Corson, founder President Courson Security Group dot
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Speaker 1: com and author of The Safety Trap. First to you,
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Speaker 1: Sidney Stell, I'm really by having it. I'm having a
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Speaker 1: hard time believing that Barry Morephew, now the target in
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Speaker 1: the middle of a courtroom, was not having an affair.
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Speaker 1: Why else would his wife buy a spipe him to
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Speaker 1: spy on him and catch him if he weren't having
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Speaker 1: an affair? And what's this business that she was planning
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Speaker 1: to run away to Ecuador? I mean, this woman obviously
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Speaker 1: want it out in the marriage. And just let me
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Speaker 1: give you a compound question. Totally disallowed the courtroom, but
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Speaker 1: we're not in court, look around, You're in a studio.
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Speaker 1: Next question, is it true, barrymorephe you told Susanne Moorephew
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Speaker 1: before she went missing? Who's going to pay your cancer bill?
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Speaker 1: If you leave me? I hope to sure he hears that.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead. There were texts between between Susanne and her
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Speaker 1: best friend from college, Sheila, where she was breaking down
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Speaker 1: that he would constantly do things like hold money over
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Speaker 1: her head. What did you say about money? She told
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Speaker 1: her best friend that it was pretty common for him
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Speaker 1: to hold money over her head. Okay, correct me if
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But wasn't the money hers? Didn't she have
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Speaker 1: the what money? They did have family money and they
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Speaker 1: used her money from her family to buy their mansion.
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Speaker 1: That's correct. Okay, I'm sorry. I know I'll ask you
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Speaker 1: a lot of questions, but let me just go straight
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Speaker 1: out to Sharyl McCallum. Did you hear that she brings
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Speaker 1: the money to the table, He builds this huge house
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Speaker 1: and then he tells her, how are you going to
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Speaker 1: pay your hospital bills? If you leave me? It was
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Speaker 1: all her money, you know. She called him a narcissist, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: He only thinks and cares about himself. That's what his
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Speaker 1: wife had to say about him. And there's all types
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Speaker 1: of control in a marriage, money being one of the
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Speaker 1: biggest one. I'm just learning a lot of the Sydney
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Speaker 1: steal back to you Sidney joining as Kardo Channel thirteen.
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Speaker 1: You can find her on Twitter at Sydney Still go ahead, Sydney.
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Speaker 1: A lot of bombshells in the courtroom. I don't even
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Speaker 1: understand why they're having a preliminary hearing, Sydney. You got
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Speaker 1: to help me out on that, because when you want
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Speaker 1: a case indicted, you can go to a grand jury,
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Speaker 1: a secret grand jury, they're all secret, or you can
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Speaker 1: have a preliminary hearing where you parade your most vital
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Speaker 1: evidence in front of a judge. Your witnesses are cross examined,
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Speaker 1: the defense gets a test run in order for the judge. Goo. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you've got enough evidence. This should be tried. Why are
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Speaker 1: they doing a prelim. We're not sure why they're doing
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Speaker 1: a prelim. I will say I'm really grateful that they
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Speaker 1: are because so many of the court documents in this
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Speaker 1: case have been sealed, so we have really not known
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Speaker 1: almost anything about why he was charged. We learned the
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Speaker 1: arrest out that David more than a hundred pages. It's
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Speaker 1: still not accessible to the public, so we don't know
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Speaker 1: why he was charged with first three murder a year
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Speaker 1: after she disappeared, and you know from the first day
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Speaker 1: of these hearings, we didn't hear a lot of evidence.
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Speaker 1: That I mean, we heard a lot of circumstantial evidence,
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Speaker 1: but not a lot of things that tie them together.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, I don't like what
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Speaker 1: you just said. We only heard circumstantial evidence. Let me
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Speaker 1: ask you a question, Sydney. As I put it to
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Speaker 1: many many as your are, if you went into your office, okay,
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Speaker 1: there at Kordo, and when you went in it was
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Speaker 1: sunny outside, not a cloud in the sky. You leave
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Speaker 1: for lunch, okay, you go out to get a salad.
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Speaker 1: You go in the parking lot and there's pools of water,
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Speaker 1: the sky is dark. Women are rushing by holding their
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Speaker 1: raincoats to their chests, and men have umbrellas. What do
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Speaker 1: you think happened while you were inside? I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: a fair poet. No, No, what do you think happened?
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Speaker 1: What would you think happened? I mean, obviously in that
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Speaker 1: situation we would think it right. But okay, so you
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Speaker 1: didn't see the storm, but you know it rained. You
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Speaker 1: don't need me beating in the head with a hammer
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Speaker 1: telling you it rained. You figured it out on your own.
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Speaker 1: That's what circumstantial evidence is. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about this case, Suzanne more for you.
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Speaker 1: Gorgeous mom two daughters, disappears, her bike is found a
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Speaker 1: remote trail. The first thing the husband says is as
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Speaker 1: she was eaten by a mountain lion. No doubt about
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Speaker 1: it yet real he killed her. Okay, back to you,
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Speaker 1: Sidney Stelle. You mentioned something about a spy pen, and
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Speaker 1: I just want to go right there to Spencer Course
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Speaker 1: and founder, president of Course a security group, author of
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Speaker 1: the safety trap Spencer. I hope you've never had to
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Speaker 1: buy spy pen to spy on your loved one, whoever
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Speaker 1: that may be, because I mean, security is your cup
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Speaker 1: of tea. You know all about the gadgets. But when
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Speaker 1: you have to buy, if I had to buy, go
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Speaker 1: to I guess not Radio Shack anymore, go on Amazon
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Speaker 1: and get a spy pen. I might as well just
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Speaker 1: go ahead and file for a divorce or else burn
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Speaker 1: the house down. I mean, when you got to get
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Speaker 1: a spy pen, it's too late. Yeah. A spy pen,
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Speaker 1: for those who may not know exactly what it is, is
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Speaker 1: is a functional pen that also has a voice recorder
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Speaker 1: built into it. They can range from thirty minutes of
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Speaker 1: recording time to about two hours of recording time. But
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Speaker 1: the issue with a spy pond is the quality of
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Speaker 1: the audio. You really have to be holding the pen
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Speaker 1: in your hand for it to get a good recording. Otherwise,
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Speaker 1: you see if it's like ten feet, fifteen feet, twenty
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Speaker 1: feet away, which is why I believe the FBI forensic
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Speaker 1: team had to come into quote enhance the audio of
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Speaker 1: those recordings. So let me understand this. Would you agree? Yes? No,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Georry Cross and faculties Saint Leo. If you're at
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Speaker 1: the point your relationship you have to buy a spy
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Speaker 1: pan and basically place it right under their nose to
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Speaker 1: catch what they're saying. It's over. Yeah, especially from what
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Speaker 1: I've heard about the husband is narcassistic tendencies, the power
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Speaker 1: and control and stuff, And it seems like that may
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Speaker 1: have been her means of getting documentation with the planning
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Speaker 1: getting a divorce down the road and using whatever she
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Speaker 1: was able to develop through that S five in. You know,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCallum, Director Coulcase Research Institute, we met in the
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Speaker 1: trenches and the DMZ and long story short, dungeons just
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Speaker 1: love it when the psychiatrist and the psychologists I'll say,
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Speaker 1: narcissistic blah blah blah blah. You know there's a technical
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Speaker 1: legal term for that, Cheryl. It's called a pos Absolutely yeah,
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Speaker 1: no question about it. This guy fits that to a t. Again,
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Speaker 1: you can look at even when she goes missing. He's
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Speaker 1: not the one that calls police for help. He's number
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Speaker 1: one calling friends saying, hey, help me find her. He's
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Speaker 1: that reporter missing a neighbor. Does you know, Cheryl, I
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Speaker 1: know you've heard this story. Everybody, Just take two, Jackie.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard this story. But my husband,
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Speaker 1: David is true blue as they come. Travels a lot
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Speaker 1: for his job. He always texts me when he touches down.
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Speaker 1: He texts me when he gets his rental car, and
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Speaker 1: at some point that evening he texts me when he
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Speaker 1: gets back to his hotel room. Usually texts me at
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Speaker 1: supper time too. All Right, one night he didn't this,
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Speaker 1: after years and years of knowing each other, he didn't
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Speaker 1: text when he got to his hotel room. I had
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Speaker 1: my assistant, poor d up with me till four am,
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Speaker 1: tracking trying to find him and make sure he was okay. Finally,
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Speaker 1: after threatening to sue the night manager at a hotel.
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Speaker 1: The guy finally went and knocked on his door. Davy
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Speaker 1: came to the door. He was fine, he was sworn out.
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Speaker 1: He'd been up since four o'clock that morning and fell asleep.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, Cheryl, if your husband, you're wife,
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Speaker 1: the one you loved is missing. I've moved heaven and
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Speaker 1: earth to find David. And the story you just told
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Speaker 1: was the thing I was going to say next, is
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Speaker 1: the pre impost behavior. What is their routine about texting
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Speaker 1: and calling each other, facetiming each other, especially when he's
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Speaker 1: out of town. Oh, that's right, going out of town
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Speaker 1: on Mother's Day. That's a whole nother canons. But I'm
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Speaker 1: getting into the facts of the case. But let me
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Speaker 1: quickly ask you. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author ran flags
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Speaker 1: host of Today with doctor Wendy CASEBQ. I could go
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Speaker 1: on and on and on about her qualifications, but Wendy,
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Speaker 1: come on. You know I've had a lot of defense
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Speaker 1: attorneys argue like, in this case, no body, no case,
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Speaker 1: And oh I'm not giving anybody a gold star because
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Speaker 1: they managed to get rid of the body. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: especially true nowadays, Nancy, where there are just too many
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Speaker 1: options open to people as to how to dispose of evidence.
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Speaker 1: And that's a sad set of affairs. But that's where
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Speaker 1: we are in an age of CSI and all the
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Speaker 1: kinds of crime dramas and all of these scenarios that
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Speaker 1: may come into plate. So you're right, as we used
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Speaker 1: to say, nobody no problem in terms of bringing a case.
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Speaker 1: But as we discussed earlier with Sydney, it's that's circumstantial evidence.
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Speaker 1: And this is a circumstantial case. But the jury is
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Speaker 1: going to be instructed. It's jeff as good as direct evidence.
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Speaker 1: It's just a different method of proving what we need
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Speaker 1: to prove. The motive is usually also something that comes
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Speaker 1: up in this dain. We don't have to prove motive either,
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Speaker 1: but it sure is nice to have one, and I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that will be established here. Do you know what
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Speaker 1: we're talking about? An affair? There's really no way around it.
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Speaker 1: Susanne Morphey was having an affair for two years. But
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Speaker 1: who is this guy that did not come forward when
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Speaker 1: he first learns Susanne Morphew has disappeared. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at Crime Online Our Cut sixty one.
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Speaker 1: Susanne Morphew was an affair and had been for two years.
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Speaker 1: The man she was seeing, Jeff Leebler, was a classmate
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Speaker 1: from high school and a married father of six. Investigators
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Speaker 1: say Susanne would tell her husband that she was having
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Speaker 1: a girl's weekend with her best friend and would instead
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Speaker 1: meet Leebler. The pair met up to six times in
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Speaker 1: multiple states, including Louisiana, Texas, Indiana, and Florida. The affair
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Speaker 1: began in twenty eighteen when more few contacted the Michigan
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Speaker 1: Men saying howdy stranger. The first time the couple met
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Speaker 1: in person was in New Orleans, but an intimate physical
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Speaker 1: relationship did not begin at that time. That began in
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Nude photos were also exchanged, as well as
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Speaker 1: I Love Yous. Morphew and Leiebler had also talked about
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Speaker 1: getting married one day and moving to Ecuador to live
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Speaker 1: a simpler, less expensive life. Nude photos, you know what,
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Speaker 1: Joe Sky Morgan, could you leave a trail any wider
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Speaker 1: than nude photos? Do you know? Joe Scott? My children,
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Speaker 1: their seventh graders, one of their little friends made nude
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Speaker 1: photos and guess what they leaked. What do you think
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Speaker 1: with twelve and thirteen year olds? A little girl thirteen
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Speaker 1: makes nude photos and sends them Long story short. Even
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Speaker 1: my twins now know, they didn't know un till I
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Speaker 1: found out about this. Don't do that, I mean, and here,
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Speaker 1: of course, you know Barry Morphy found those. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that he did. Nancy, that's a thirteen year old that
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Speaker 1: you're talking about. This is we're talking about grown, grown,
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Speaker 1: grown adults here. Don't you know better? Because if you're
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Speaker 1: trying to hide something to remember, this had gone on
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Speaker 1: two years. It's not like she had him over over
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Speaker 1: to the house in Colorado. They met in these divergent
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Speaker 1: places around the country, engaged in this behavior and new
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Speaker 1: you know, we're planning this clandestine trip to you know,
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Speaker 1: to Central America in order to getting married at some
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Speaker 1: point in time in their the world. But you know,
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Speaker 1: you're like trying to bread crumps everywhere you go, and
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Speaker 1: that an important piece. This goes back to what Spencer
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Speaker 1: was talking about relatives to the pen. Uh, that's still
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Speaker 1: a piece of the pot. You know, we've been sitting
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Speaker 1: around scratching our heads collectively for months, just wanting any
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Speaker 1: kind of little drip of information about this. Suddenly it
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Speaker 1: looks like the dam starting to break a little bit
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Speaker 1: and where the pieces are kind of falling into place.
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Speaker 1: But the one big piece that we're still missing, of course,
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Speaker 1: the Suzanne's body. And for me is a medical legal
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Speaker 1: death investigator that in that that's where the evidence lies.
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Speaker 1: I want to know how she came to her end.
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Speaker 1: Where is her body? Don't give me this nonsense about
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Speaker 1: mountain lions. There's no drag marks, there's no blood trails,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing to indicate that some large apex predator drug
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Speaker 1: her off of that bike down into a trail into
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Speaker 1: the woods. We have nothing at this point. But I
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Speaker 1: tell you what, this is an isolated area. There's any
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Speaker 1: number of places where her body could be out there.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, because we are talking about
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Speaker 1: a preliminary hearing that is going down in the court
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Speaker 1: of law right now. We are finally hearing evidence regarding
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Speaker 1: the case Barry Morphew in the disappearance of his wife Suzanne.
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Speaker 1: Straight back out to Sydney Stale reporter k r D O,
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Speaker 1: have we heard any developments regarding how she was killed
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Speaker 1: and where is her body? No, we haven't we know
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Speaker 1: that they didn't investadors didn't find blood anywhere. They didn't
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Speaker 1: find it near where her bike was found. They didn't
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Speaker 1: find it in the house to any of their vehicles,
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Speaker 1: so they didn't find anything like that, although they did
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Speaker 1: ask yesterday Lynda Stanley, the district attorney, she asked, you know,
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Speaker 1: did there need to be blood for there to be
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Speaker 1: a murder? And the law enforcement expert that she was
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Speaker 1: interviewing obviously said no, So we don't have evidence of that.
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Speaker 1: The bike where it was found, it was in a
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Speaker 1: place where she wouldn't normally biked because the terrain was
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Speaker 1: way too steep, was too difficult for her, and the
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Speaker 1: body pottage that they showed made it look like someone
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Speaker 1: had kind of just dumped it or where they're sided
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Speaker 1: to come, oh, we have we have blood. We don't
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Speaker 1: have anything, you know, we might I'm sorry you're cutting
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Speaker 1: out on me, Sidney Stale. Sydney is talking about the
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Speaker 1: lack of forensic evidence to show what happened to Susanne Morphy.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at one particular text that she had sent
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Speaker 1: her best friend, Sheila Oliver. She said, I'd live in
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Speaker 1: a shack right now. She wanted out of the marriage
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Speaker 1: so desperately. She goes on to say, I'm sure he
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Speaker 1: Barry Morphy, won't make it easy. He has always wanted control.
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Speaker 1: We know that Susanne Morpheu's brother claim that there was
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Speaker 1: domestic violence within the marriage, but right now, seemingly Susanne
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Speaker 1: Morpheu's affair has taken center stage. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut sixty two. And Morphew told no one that
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Speaker 1: she was seeing another man, and that man, Jeff Leibler,
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Speaker 1: did not come forward on his own. When the Colorado
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Speaker 1: Mom disappeared in November twenty twenty, sheriffs found out about
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Speaker 1: the affair. We now know that a spy pen bought
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Speaker 1: by Susanne Morphew recorded at least one conversation between Susanne
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Speaker 1: Morphew and her lover. Investigators contacted the Michigan father Leibler
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Speaker 1: spoke with him, asking if he was a target in
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Speaker 1: the investigation. He tells investigators that he deleted the accounts
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Speaker 1: used to message more few. Leibler said he did that
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Speaker 1: to protect himself and to shield Suzanne's reputation and legacy.
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Speaker 1: I believe I would have wanted to help in the
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Speaker 1: missing person's investigation. But that's just me. What more do
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Speaker 1: we know? Take a listen to our friends at Crime Online.
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Speaker 1: Susanne Morphew confided in friends that her marriage was strained.
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Speaker 1: Sheila Oliver, Morphew's lifelong friends said the Colorado mom wanted
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Speaker 1: to leave her husband. Text messages shown in court between
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Speaker 1: the friends included a reference to Barry Morphew as Jacqueline Hyde.
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Speaker 1: More few complained Barry would use biblical scriptures to guilt
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Speaker 1: Tripper into forgiving him. Oliver also described domestic violence that
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Speaker 1: included Barry smacking Suzanne into a wall and holding a
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Speaker 1: gun to her head. Another report described how he once
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Speaker 1: held a gun to his own head in an apparent
21:21
Speaker 1: suicide threat. Morphey told her friend that Barry was not stable,
21:26
Speaker 1: so bottom line, he was holding himself hostage with a
21:28
Speaker 1: gun to his head. It's one thing to have an affair,
21:31
Speaker 1: it's altogether different to decide you're going to divorce. But
21:35
Speaker 1: that was the point at which Susanne Morphew had landed.
21:40
Speaker 1: But right now it's all about what's happening in a
21:43
Speaker 1: court of law. Take a listen to our friend Laurence
21:47
Speaker 1: at Fox twenty one. But wait, wait, wait, wait, let
21:50
Speaker 1: me go out to Sydney. Still before I play that,
21:53
Speaker 1: Sydney described from me what is happening in the courtroom
21:56
Speaker 1: as far as like who's in there, who's watching? Not
22:00
Speaker 1: kind of yat. Yeah, So his both Barry and Susanne's
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Speaker 1: daughters are both in the courtroom, Macy and Mallard, and
22:09
Speaker 1: they are the whole time, they've been really supportive for Barry.
22:12
Speaker 1: And even yesterday they kind of lifted their masks, they
22:16
Speaker 1: smiled at each other. One of his daughters showed him
22:19
Speaker 1: how long her hair had gotten. The whole family is
22:22
Speaker 1: still very supportive of Barry. They're all sitting on his
22:25
Speaker 1: side of the courtroom and they're all still very supportive.
22:29
Speaker 1: You know. I wouldcall Sydney stille at one point, learning
22:35
Speaker 1: that Susanne Morphew climbed her husband, Barry Morphew, now facing
22:40
Speaker 1: trial for her murder, would try to turn her daughters
22:43
Speaker 1: against her when they would have arguments. What do you
22:46
Speaker 1: know about that? Yeah, she confided in her friend Sheila
22:49
Speaker 1: about that. She was really worried that he was going
22:51
Speaker 1: to turn them against her, and he kept like bringing
22:53
Speaker 1: them into the middle of their arguments, and so she
22:57
Speaker 1: said that really worried her, but yeah, she did also
23:00
Speaker 1: see that. She confided though, and Macys their younger daughter,
23:03
Speaker 1: who was seven, team they confided in her. She confided
23:06
Speaker 1: in her about wanting to leave her father, and Mason
23:08
Speaker 1: was really supportive of that. So Macie was just seventeen
23:11
Speaker 1: years old. She was planning to leave him as soon
23:13
Speaker 1: as Macy was out of the house, which you know,
23:15
Speaker 1: within a year. But obviously she never got that chance.
23:19
Speaker 1: Isn't it true to doctor Jorry Crawls in psychologists and
23:22
Speaker 1: faculty at Saint Leo University that the single most dangerous
23:26
Speaker 1: time for a battered woman is when she seriously tries
23:30
Speaker 1: to leave. Absolutely. I was just listening to several things
23:35
Speaker 1: that I keyed in on the power and control in this. Remember,
23:40
Speaker 1: he would use the forgiveness aspect the guilt or into
23:45
Speaker 1: forgiving him for past whatever. Okay, that's a form of
23:48
Speaker 1: power and control. And if he were to find out
23:51
Speaker 1: about her affair and as she you're leaving him, he's
23:54
Speaker 1: now losing all control not only over her but probably
23:59
Speaker 1: over himself. That you know, there's enough there to have
24:04
Speaker 1: planned this to the point where, hey, they're not going
24:07
Speaker 1: to find the body, you know, they found the bike
24:10
Speaker 1: to helmet was ab seven miles down the road alongside
24:13
Speaker 1: the road, So I mean there's some planning here, but
24:15
Speaker 1: it still shows the power and control that he has
24:18
Speaker 1: to Spencer Courson, Founder President Course of Security Group at
24:22
Speaker 1: Course of Security Group dot com. I volunteered at the
24:26
Speaker 1: Battered Women's Center for almost ten years on the hotline
24:31
Speaker 1: at night. And when you actually try to leave your batterer,
24:37
Speaker 1: that the person that's beating you and controlling you, that's
24:41
Speaker 1: a single most dangerous time for the victim. What's your
24:46
Speaker 1: advice for women like Susanne Moorephew in a battering relationship
24:53
Speaker 1: when they try to leave, the best course of action
24:56
Speaker 1: is to not as best you cannot telegraph the fact
25:00
Speaker 1: that you are either planning to or thinking about or
25:04
Speaker 1: wanting to leave, but just to leave. And I understand
25:08
Speaker 1: that that is much easier said than done. But our
25:13
Speaker 1: willingness to protect ourselves needs to be stronger than our
25:16
Speaker 1: unwillingness to offend another. And when we are in those
25:20
Speaker 1: dire circumstances where we see that there's no way out,
25:24
Speaker 1: sometimes finding the courage in that first step to just
25:28
Speaker 1: leave and get out to somewhere safe where you can
25:31
Speaker 1: then because we don't make rational judgments when we're under dress.
25:36
Speaker 1: So any chance you get to leave should be taken in,
25:40
Speaker 1: and any opportunity you have to not telegraph or give
25:46
Speaker 1: someone the inkling that you're going to do so will
25:48
Speaker 1: help to ensure the certainty of your safety in that departure.
25:52
Speaker 1: Aside from the two year affair, Susanne Morphy was having
25:56
Speaker 1: line high school friend. What is the other evidence that
26:01
Speaker 1: is being presented at this preliminary hearing? Finally, after having
26:05
Speaker 1: the evidence under seal for so long as we are
26:09
Speaker 1: learning from Sydney Stale, we're finally getting a sense of
26:13
Speaker 1: what the evidence may reveal. I want you to take
26:16
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut seventy three. This is Jamie
26:20
Speaker 1: O'Leary at CBS four Denver. Something interesting that we also
26:24
Speaker 1: saw this morning was body camp video for the first
26:27
Speaker 1: time from the day that Susanne went missing. It shows
26:30
Speaker 1: officers handling her bike, shouting rage, searching for her, and
26:34
Speaker 1: that evening it shows very Morephew arriving on the scene
26:37
Speaker 1: a large scene, crying about what had happened, asking to
26:40
Speaker 1: the bit. He was interviewed at that scene for about
26:43
Speaker 1: thirty minutes during which time that he suggested police looked
26:46
Speaker 1: at the nearby suspicious r V park or suggested maybe
26:49
Speaker 1: she was taken by a mountain lion. To this day,
26:52
Speaker 1: there has been no body found, and we learned from
26:55
Speaker 1: the investigator that not a drop of Susanne's blood has
26:57
Speaker 1: been detected anywhere either. He said, they're still looking for
27:01
Speaker 1: that body most recently. And am my investigator for murder chase,
27:06
Speaker 1: who don't always need to find blood crime stories with
27:22
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace? Okay, straight up to you, Joseph Scott Morgan,
27:27
Speaker 1: death investigator and professor forensics at Jacksona State University. No
27:32
Speaker 1: body and no blood, So what forensics can we use?
27:37
Speaker 1: I think the first place to start is going to
27:39
Speaker 1: be this electronic forensics. From what I understand, the police
27:42
Speaker 1: went out and you know, and I don't know what
27:45
Speaker 1: their rationalists what they're seeing, but you know, they told
27:48
Speaker 1: everyone in this area that had rain camps that they
27:52
Speaker 1: were coming to collect them. And I can't imagine how
27:54
Speaker 1: many people out in this isolated area would have these,
27:57
Speaker 1: but for some reason they believe that you know, that
28:01
Speaker 1: something may have been captured along the way. I can't
28:04
Speaker 1: tell you this about their house, though you know the
28:07
Speaker 1: police held it I think for either twelve to fourteen
28:11
Speaker 1: days and before it was release back to the family,
28:15
Speaker 1: and at that point in time they did release a
28:17
Speaker 1: statement that said they didn't find any evidence within the home,
28:22
Speaker 1: and that's a significant amount of time to search it thoroughly.
28:26
Speaker 1: I think that they brought the FBI in. I'm curious.
28:29
Speaker 1: I know the CBI the state police were there as well.
28:32
Speaker 1: They search it from stem to stern to look for
28:35
Speaker 1: any kind of biological evidence that would indicate trauma. I
28:37
Speaker 1: would imagine that they probably went through the house with
28:41
Speaker 1: something like blue star or luminol to try to illuminate
28:45
Speaker 1: any areas where maybe a blood cleanup had taken place.
28:49
Speaker 1: They would have had time to do that, and nothing
28:51
Speaker 1: presented at that point in time. So from a forensic standpoint,
28:55
Speaker 1: you can rule the domicile out, at least it would
28:58
Speaker 1: appear from the police perspective. I remember hearing at the time.
29:02
Speaker 1: I don't know if you recall this, Nancy, there was
29:04
Speaker 1: a coworker of this guy that said that the hotel
29:07
Speaker 1: room that he had been staying in had the strong
29:11
Speaker 1: smell of bleaching a chlorine they said, And so you know,
29:16
Speaker 1: I thought back to that time. Could he have taken
29:18
Speaker 1: her somewhere and done something with her body? Is there
29:21
Speaker 1: unaccounted for time? And that's going to be the biggest
29:24
Speaker 1: tracking here. You know, does his alibi hold up? You know,
29:28
Speaker 1: being out of town, all these other things that seem
29:31
Speaker 1: so very convenient relative to his behavior as it applies
29:36
Speaker 1: directly to her disappearance, and having nothing to hang our
29:40
Speaker 1: hat on forensically, what about it, Cheryl McCollum, How is
29:43
Speaker 1: the stake going to prove the case? Wait a minute,
29:45
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, City stell joining me, Kardo. I know
29:48
Speaker 1: they searched the home, couldn't find any blood or suggestion
29:52
Speaker 1: of any type of a confrontation. Didn't cadaver dogs hit
29:57
Speaker 1: at one Barry Morphy's works. I believe they did. And
30:02
Speaker 1: you know, I think the big thing, I mean, we
30:05
Speaker 1: just talked about his alibi whether or not that holds up,
30:07
Speaker 1: and we heard evidence yesterday that showed that his alibi
30:10
Speaker 1: did not hold up. Because he said that he left
30:12
Speaker 1: for Broomfield County to go out of town for work
30:15
Speaker 1: at five am that day. They were able to use
30:17
Speaker 1: technology to see when his truck doors were opening. They
30:20
Speaker 1: opened at three am and again at eight am, so
30:24
Speaker 1: he told investigators he left at five. That can't be
30:26
Speaker 1: true if the evidence coming from his truck is accurate.
30:30
Speaker 1: So I think that's the big thing as far as
30:32
Speaker 1: the timeline goes and the alibi, it doesn't hold up
30:35
Speaker 1: based on what he told investigators. And at first I believe, Yeah,
30:40
Speaker 1: Cheryl didn't at first, and you and I worked till
30:43
Speaker 1: we were blew in the face trying to confirm that
30:46
Speaker 1: he was at some volunteer fire fighter continuing education in Denver.
30:52
Speaker 1: It didn't exist. And then suddenly the stories somehow morphed
30:56
Speaker 1: that he had a work site he had to go to,
31:00
Speaker 1: and he hastily threw together a crew I think, that
31:03
Speaker 1: morning to go to this work site, and then when
31:05
Speaker 1: they got there there was no work for them. Well absolutely,
31:09
Speaker 1: I mean we knew when you and I first taught
31:11
Speaker 1: that there's no way there's going to be any type
31:13
Speaker 1: of post training on a weekend, much less a holiday
31:17
Speaker 1: week like Mother's Day doesn't happen. But I want to
31:21
Speaker 1: be real clear about something. I want to go back
31:23
Speaker 1: to the basket. Hey, hey, Cheryl, let me explain something
31:26
Speaker 1: that you just said. You remember every year there's a
31:29
Speaker 1: pack prosecuting attorney's counsel continuing legal education. Every lawyer has
31:36
Speaker 1: to go to continuing legal education to keep your bar
31:39
Speaker 1: license every year, and we would carefully time it to
31:43
Speaker 1: be in August. Why because the US Supreme Court takes
31:47
Speaker 1: their break in August, and because of that, many other courts,
31:52
Speaker 1: including the trial courts, take their break in August, so
31:56
Speaker 1: as not to miss work, we would have our prosecuting
31:59
Speaker 1: attorney Council legal education that week, those two weeks when
32:04
Speaker 1: all the judges were off. So what Sheryl is saying
32:07
Speaker 1: is correct. This firefighter continuing education would never have been
32:13
Speaker 1: on a weekend like a Mother's Day weekend. It's not
32:16
Speaker 1: going to happen. Okay, go ahead. Sometimes no evidence is evident.
32:21
Speaker 1: And let me explain. If someone committed a hit and
32:26
Speaker 1: run while she was on that bicycle, if the Mountain
32:29
Speaker 1: Lion had gotten her and drug her, there would be
32:32
Speaker 1: evidence of that. The fact that there was no blood,
32:36
Speaker 1: no skid marks, no break marks, no struggle, no damage
32:40
Speaker 1: to the bicycle. That's good evidence to me. You know what,
32:44
Speaker 1: You're right, You're absolutely right, was positioned in stage there.
32:49
Speaker 1: So again, when you start putting together his alibi, his
32:52
Speaker 1: phone pinging, his doors opening, the smell of bleeds, cadaver dogs.
32:57
Speaker 1: You're painting a picture you can't ignore, and that jury's
33:00
Speaker 1: not going to be able to ignority either. Sydney, that
33:03
Speaker 1: we go ahead. Cheryl's talking about something we argue in court,
33:06
Speaker 1: Nancy all the time. The cover up is evidence of
33:09
Speaker 1: the crime, because when you're covering something up, the behavior
33:13
Speaker 1: is going to be suspicious in and of itself. And
33:16
Speaker 1: as we talk this through, that appears to be what
33:19
Speaker 1: we're all saying, is that all of these things they're
33:22
Speaker 1: discovering now are evidence that this was a planned crime.
33:26
Speaker 1: This wasn't an accident. Of course, you know, we all
33:29
Speaker 1: know that we look inwards. First, you look at the
33:31
Speaker 1: most likely suspects, the family members, the husband, and then
33:33
Speaker 1: you sort of work outwards. But all of this is
33:36
Speaker 1: coming together just fine, even though it's still circumstantial. Well,
33:40
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you the how alibi issue for barrymore
33:43
Speaker 1: Fhew is a huge red flag. Take a listen to
33:46
Speaker 1: our cut thirty seven. This is our friend doctor Phil
33:50
Speaker 1: the EEI inforational. He's structing the line up. So he said,
33:54
Speaker 1: he's all five am and not And how do you
33:58
Speaker 1: know that justify from an employee that he was rambling
34:00
Speaker 1: down the road texting him in the morning, trying to
34:03
Speaker 1: get her Broomfield, So can't be at home a live
34:08
Speaker 1: and talking to somebody on the road at four right,
34:12
Speaker 1: That is, so that the timeline doesn't end up at all,
34:15
Speaker 1: not at all. You've got two nieces, Mallory who's now
34:19
Speaker 1: twenty two and Macy who's sixteen. Would she go off
34:23
Speaker 1: riding by herself or would she be in contact with them?
34:26
Speaker 1: Would she go off the radar for seven days and
34:30
Speaker 1: have no social media presence, no presence electronically for that
34:36
Speaker 1: period of time with her daughters? Now, huh, you're hearing
34:41
Speaker 1: our friend doctor Phil speaking to Susanne's brother Angie Morman.
34:47
Speaker 1: Long story short, let me understand this Sydney Still. The
34:51
Speaker 1: morning Susanne Morphy goes by riding, husband Barry Morphy says
34:56
Speaker 1: he sees her doesn't leave until five a m. But
35:00
Speaker 1: an employee says he's riding down the road with Barry
35:03
Speaker 1: at four am as he is hastily trying to put
35:07
Speaker 1: together a crew to go build a wall that's not
35:12
Speaker 1: even a real job. And that's coinsidantly the day that
35:16
Speaker 1: she goes missing, right right, and he's been really consistent
35:20
Speaker 1: with investigators saying at five am she was found asleep,
35:23
Speaker 1: I left her and I went to work. You've been
35:25
Speaker 1: really consistent about that. So obviously testimony from an employee
35:29
Speaker 1: counteract that also seeing the data that his car door
35:33
Speaker 1: was open at three am and not five am. So yeah,
35:36
Speaker 1: I mean he's been painting not But you're cutting out
35:39
Speaker 1: on me again. In the meantime, on to hear more
35:41
Speaker 1: of what Andre Mormon tells doctor Phil because this is
35:44
Speaker 1: about not one set, but two sets of cadaver dogs.
35:48
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirty one. We were
35:51
Speaker 1: to have search dogs in from Missouri and another set
35:54
Speaker 1: from New Mexico yesterday and we made a little discovery.
36:00
Speaker 1: The dogs hit in a particular area, which we turned
36:02
Speaker 1: over to the FBI. Now they're serious adventures, and I've
36:06
Speaker 1: got a third one on the way tomorrow, so they
36:09
Speaker 1: actually hit on something. So tell me about these dogs.
36:13
Speaker 1: Two of them are small Australian shepherds. I believe they
36:16
Speaker 1: were black and white. And when they go in and
36:20
Speaker 1: they see something in suspect or smell something suspect, they'll
36:24
Speaker 1: taste the grass and they'll circle the item many times
36:28
Speaker 1: and then they'll finally set down on it. And the
36:31
Speaker 1: German shepherds behave almost the same way, only they get
36:34
Speaker 1: extremely excited. The faces will wrinkle up, their ears will
36:39
Speaker 1: come forward to catch sent. They'll also kind of scratch
36:43
Speaker 1: on the site. They'll dig. I hate to ask this,
36:46
Speaker 1: but are these sit and hunting dogs? Are these cadaver dogs?
36:50
Speaker 1: What type of training goose dogs has a cadaver I've
36:55
Speaker 1: dealt with a lot of tracker dogs, sit dogs, fire dogs,
36:59
Speaker 1: drug dog dogs. But a cadaver dog only picks up
37:03
Speaker 1: on human tissue. Two sets of cadaver dogs are lying,
37:09
Speaker 1: But what were they picking up on? This is happening
37:13
Speaker 1: in a court of law right now. Still nobody. Where
37:20
Speaker 1: is Susanne Barfew? Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,