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Its a Tragedy ( Details of the killing of Rob Reiner) · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything
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Speaker 1: and everybody.
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Speaker 2: You know, if you don't lie about that. Right, Hey, y'all,
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Speaker 2: what's up.
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Speaker 1: It's Laura l Rosa and this is the latest with
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Speaker 1: Laura de Rosa. This is your DELI dig on all
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Speaker 1: things pop culture, entertainment, news and all of the conversations
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Speaker 1: that shake the room.
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Speaker 2: So today I want.
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Speaker 1: To get into a very serious conversation surrounding the Nick
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Speaker 1: Reiner alleged killing of his parents, Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner.
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Speaker 1: Rob Reiner for those who may not know, but I've
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Speaker 1: been seeing his name so much in the news because
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Speaker 1: he was killed by his son, Nick Ner, him and
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Speaker 1: his wife Michelle in their home not too long ago
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Speaker 1: in La They were found with reported slits to their throat,
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Speaker 1: literally found in their home by their daughter.
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Speaker 2: But Rob Reiner was known for all in the family.
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Speaker 1: He also directed I films like When Harry Met Sally,
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Speaker 1: The Princess Bride, A few good men. Uh, really big
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Speaker 1: in the political space as far as just commentate, commentating
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Speaker 1: on various things and activism and you know, some of
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Speaker 1: the things that he had pushed for were gun control,
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Speaker 1: child welfare. As a director the spinal tap as well
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Speaker 1: the American President. There is just a lot that he
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Speaker 1: has accomplished. So this story has been, you know, one
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Speaker 1: of the biggest stories in Hollywood over.
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Speaker 2: The last few weeks following his death.
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Speaker 1: Now, just to recap a bit, because I know we
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Speaker 1: have not talked about it much here on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle Reiner were found in
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Speaker 1: their home by their one of their daughters after an
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Speaker 1: alleged argument of some kind. In the beginning of this
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Speaker 1: you know, news breaking, it was said that they had
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Speaker 1: had an argument possibly same day, allegedly with their son,
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Speaker 1: Nick Reiner. But then there was more news that can
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Speaker 1: came out that said that potentially that argument happened the
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Speaker 1: night prior at Conan O'Brien Christmas party, where they had
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Speaker 1: got into an argument with their son, Nick Reiner, and
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Speaker 1: they had left the party, and you know, there was
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Speaker 1: like a disruption or another disruptance caused by Nick not
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Speaker 1: even related to his parents at that party. And there's
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Speaker 1: been a lot of conversation around the fact that it
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Speaker 1: was known that Nick Reiner suffered from different types of
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Speaker 1: substance abuse, drug abuse and you know, mental health issues,
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Speaker 1: and you know there has just been a very up
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Speaker 1: and down relationship between him and his parents because of
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Speaker 1: you know, those things He's Nick himself has talked about
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Speaker 1: being homeless at some points, and you know, various rehabs,
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Speaker 1: just just a bunch of different things throughout life. So
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Speaker 1: Nick Reiner was arrested and you know, he was charged
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Speaker 1: for the murders of his parents, and there has now
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Speaker 1: become a conversation about what his legal strategy will be.
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Speaker 1: So wanting to come here today, you know, as things
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Speaker 1: because I mean this story, I feel like every hour
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Speaker 1: there is a new update, there's a new exclusive report
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Speaker 1: sourced on you know, law enforcement, or sourced on family
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Speaker 1: and friends of the family or whoever that various media
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Speaker 1: outlets are reporting. So things are changing and moving and
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Speaker 1: the conversation is happening in so many different places literally
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Speaker 1: by the moment. But I thought that, you know, a
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Speaker 1: conversation right now because Nick Rener did appear in court
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Speaker 1: for the first time over the last week. He did
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Speaker 1: not inter plea whatsoever at his arraignment, and he does
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Speaker 1: have an attorney.
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Speaker 2: His attorney is a powerhouse attorney.
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Speaker 1: Alan Jackson is the attorney who got Karen Reid off
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Speaker 1: of the homicide case.
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Speaker 2: You guys may remember that case because.
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Speaker 1: It also was a big, you know case that also
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Speaker 1: made headlines when she was Alisha had been driving under
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Speaker 1: the influence, backed up and hit a man who was
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend at the time that was also a cop.
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Speaker 1: And she was found not guilty on the serious charges,
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Speaker 1: but guilty on the lesser charges. And Alan Jackson was
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Speaker 1: actually the person that headed up her defense team, so
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Speaker 1: you know, he's a powerhouse attorney. All these things are happening,
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Speaker 1: and Nick Reiner doesn't show up the court the first
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Speaker 1: day to inter a plea, but shows up to court
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Speaker 1: the second day. They had him in a jacket of
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Speaker 1: sorts to kind of, I guess, subdue him a bit.
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Speaker 1: Per reports, Nick Reiner has been on a suicide watch.
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Speaker 1: I've yet to be able to confirm whether this in
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Speaker 1: the beginning was just protocol or if this was something
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Speaker 1: that was done because of you know, something that he said,
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Speaker 1: or like, you know, medical testing or whatever.
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Speaker 2: But we do know that he underwent medical and mental evaluations.
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Speaker 1: His attorney, Alan Jackson let us know outside of the
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Speaker 1: courthouse after that first day that Nick actually made it
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Speaker 1: to court, not the first day he was supposed to
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Speaker 1: be there. But so the second day of court, and
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Speaker 1: the first day nick Reiner actually made it to court,
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Speaker 1: his attorney had this to say about him not appearing
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Speaker 1: after missing medical testing. And I know we've talked about
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Speaker 1: this on a prior episode, but let's say it again now.
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Speaker 1: Most recent conversation was an exclusive report via TMZ. And
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Speaker 1: I found this report interesting because I know that you
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Speaker 1: know Harvey Harvey Levin, and you know a lot of
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Speaker 1: the people that work with him are attorneys, so they're
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Speaker 1: looking at this from a legal aspect, and at this point,
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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the only way you can
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Speaker 1: look at it, because right now we're trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out what happens next, and whatever happens next definitely will
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Speaker 1: be something legal. The report says that nick Reiner had
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Speaker 1: reportedly been diagnosed with schizophrenia and his meds made him
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Speaker 1: dangerous to the point where he was basically out of
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Speaker 1: his mind or out of his head. Is with the
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Speaker 1: report alleges and TMZ alleges that they spoke to two
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Speaker 1: different sources who told them that in the weeks leading
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Speaker 1: up to the day he murdered his parents, Rob and
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Speaker 1: Michelle Reiner, nick Reiner was taking various medicines like a
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Speaker 1: medicine cocktail of some sort. The report continues to allege
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Speaker 1: that these medicines actually made him erotic and dangerous. They
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Speaker 1: then continue to go on and said that, according to
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Speaker 1: the two sources, at the same time, Nick Reiner was
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Speaker 1: under the care of psychiatrists for his mental illness, but
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Speaker 1: the month that the murders happened, these doctors were like
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Speaker 1: trying to get his cocktail, his medical you know, his
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Speaker 1: medicines that he was taking correct. They were trying to
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Speaker 1: get it to a point where he wouldn't be as
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Speaker 1: erratic in behavior.
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Speaker 2: But it just wasn't working.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not unnormal to hear, because a lot
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Speaker 1: of things with doctors, especially when it comes to Western
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Speaker 1: like when it comes to medicine, it's trial and error.
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Speaker 1: Like they give you things, they see how it works
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Speaker 1: with your body, they see how effective it is, and
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Speaker 1: then they either up dusages or they changed medicines altogether
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Speaker 1: until they get the cocktail correct. So this report also
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Speaker 1: talks about, you know, Nick Reiner going to a rehab facility.
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Speaker 1: They said that this rehab facility was like in the
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Speaker 1: upwards of like seventy thousand dollars a month, and that
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Speaker 1: this is a place that a lot of rich and
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Speaker 1: powerful parents send their kids to. Who have you know,
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Speaker 1: issues that fit what the rehab center focuses on. Now,
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Speaker 1: while all of this is happening, this report also alleges
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Speaker 1: that Nick Reiner was still abusing substances, whatever those substances were,
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Speaker 1: that he was still abusing substances allegedly, right, And because
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Speaker 1: of this, the conversation now is will Nick Reiner plead
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Speaker 1: not guilty by reason of a sanity? I think on
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Speaker 1: its face when you just hear how gruesome the murders
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Speaker 1: seem to have been. And we don't know all of
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Speaker 1: the full details, right, but to be a child, not
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Speaker 1: a child, he's a grown man. But to be you know,
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Speaker 1: to kill your parents, there has to be something that
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Speaker 1: like isn't connecting, Like you're not all the way there,
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Speaker 1: Like there's no way that you can argue that a
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Speaker 1: person that is able to commit I mean, I feel
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Speaker 1: like murder in general, there's a sense of especially if
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Speaker 1: it's if the malice is there, like if there's an
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Speaker 1: intent or premeditation or you know, even in the moment.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I think that there is definitely an argument around
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Speaker 1: like what your mental does in that thought process, but
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Speaker 1: for it to be a parents like your parents, Like
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Speaker 1: what the hell? So right now the conversation, you know,
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Speaker 1: based on these reports that are being had or that
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Speaker 1: is being had, is will Nick Reiner plead not guilty
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Speaker 1: by reason of insanity?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: This defense is basically defense that requires proof that Nick
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Speaker 1: Reiner didn't understand the nature and the quality of his actions.
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Speaker 1: So I did say, you know, just research on what
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Speaker 1: the burden of proof for a defense like this means.
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Speaker 1: And a burden of proof is basically like what is
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Speaker 1: my responsibility, Like what do I have to do? Like
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Speaker 1: what is needed for me to convince the judge, the
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Speaker 1: jury whoever, that what I'm saying, like what I'm pleading
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Speaker 1: or what I'm alleging is the reason why is exactly
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Speaker 1: what they'll believe by the end of my pleading. So
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Speaker 1: what I found is and I was looking up basically
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Speaker 1: like what is the hardest part of proving something like this?
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Speaker 1: It says the hardest part of proving not guilty by
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Speaker 1: any reason of proven not guilty by reason of insanity
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Speaker 1: is meeting the strict legal standard by demonstrating with clear
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Speaker 1: and convincing evidence that a severe mental disease at the
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Speaker 1: exact moment of the crime prevented the defendant from understanding
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Speaker 1: their actions were wrong, or conforming their conduct to the law,
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Speaker 1: or basically like anything that made sense, or you knowing
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Speaker 1: what you were not supposed to do. You have to
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Speaker 1: be able to prove that in that very moment your
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Speaker 1: mental illness or the substances that cause that mental illness
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Speaker 1: or whatever it is that you're going to you know,
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Speaker 1: put together in this conversation of like, here's why I
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Speaker 1: didn't understand that in that very moment it was affecting you.
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Speaker 2: Some of the.
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Speaker 1: Challenges that you know, other defendants face when they go
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Speaker 1: up against this in court is burdening a proof.
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Speaker 2: So again, it's just proving you know at that time.
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, if if you're a person like
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Speaker 1: you know, Nick Reiner, if this report is true, and
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Speaker 1: you have medical records showing that you have you know,
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Speaker 1: documents and notes from the psychiatrist you've been working with,
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Speaker 1: you have all the information about the medicines and with
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Speaker 1: those side effects and causes or you know, negative causes
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Speaker 1: or reactions to those medicines, can do just basic study
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Speaker 1: on schizophrenia and I remember, you know, when we were
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Speaker 1: in court.
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Speaker 2: For the Diddy trial.
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Speaker 1: One of the key witnesses in that trial was an
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Speaker 1: expert witness who focused on mental health and cognitive thinking
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Speaker 1: and like kind of like a therapist ish kind of,
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Speaker 1: but she was more so like a person who studied
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Speaker 1: the behaviors of abusers and studied the behaviors of victims, right,
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Speaker 1: And the reason why she was so important as a witness,
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Speaker 1: and she didn't see anything herself. It's not like she
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Speaker 1: was Ditty's psychi, or she was Ditty's therapist, or she
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Speaker 1: was providing therapy to any of the victims. She literally
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Speaker 1: had never seen, heard, or met any of the people involved.
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Speaker 1: But the reason why she was so important in the
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Speaker 1: defense Dinny's team was trying to make it where what
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Speaker 1: she said on that stand couldn't be heard by the
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Speaker 1: jury is because she was able to really explain to
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Speaker 1: you the mind behind a lot of this stuff, behind
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Speaker 1: why a woman will return back to an abuser, you know,
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Speaker 1: why a woman would cover up and claim love and
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Speaker 1: like all the different things that your mind can't really
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Speaker 1: like fathom because you're in a different mental space. She
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Speaker 1: was able to put it in very like one plus
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Speaker 1: one equals to terms, but also had the medicine in
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Speaker 1: the research to back it up. And it seems to me,
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Speaker 1: you know, if these reports are correct, if I'm an attorney,
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Speaker 1: you almost have like you have everything you need to
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Speaker 1: be able to lay this out. Now, there were a
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Speaker 1: few things that struck me, you know, just in this
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Speaker 1: past week from following the Rhiner case, and when I
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Speaker 1: saw these things, I'm like, oh, he is not going
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Speaker 1: to plead guilty because number one, when Nick Reiner finally
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Speaker 1: made it to court, he didn't take a plea deal.
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Speaker 1: It's very clear that police are one hundred percent confident
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Speaker 1: that they have you know, even again, everything is alleged.
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Speaker 1: He is innocent until proven guilty. But if I'm reading
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Speaker 1: this case and I'm reading the through line, there is
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Speaker 1: nothing here that doesn't show me that the government is
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Speaker 1: not sure that they have the person they believe killed.
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Speaker 2: Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner, and they believe that it
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Speaker 2: is Nick Reiner.
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Speaker 1: Right, So with evidence being that strong, for your attorney
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Speaker 1: to then come into court and be very confident about, hey,
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Speaker 1: we need more time. We need this to be continued
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Speaker 1: for about another month or so. We'll get back to you,
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Speaker 1: let's have a conversation and you not take a plea deal.
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Speaker 1: Off rip and just make sure you're not about to
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Speaker 1: spend the rest of your life in behind bars, which
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Speaker 1: I don't see how that would even be possible. But basically,
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Speaker 1: just try and fight for whatever rest of your life
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Speaker 1: you think you about to have. After something like this,
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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I don't think he's going to
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Speaker 1: plead guilty in this report. Based on this report, you know,
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Speaker 1: and everything that the sources are telling TMZ is lining
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Speaker 1: up that way.
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Speaker 2: Not only did Nick Rener not.
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Speaker 1: Take a plea deal his first day in court, but
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Speaker 1: his attorney axd for more time, right, and.
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Speaker 2: They waive any right to anything speedy.
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Speaker 1: So for me, I'm sitting back and I'm like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: that means his attorney wants to take a lot of
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Speaker 1: time and look at like his medical records, his mental
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Speaker 1: health battles and records, family battles, his life and daily
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Speaker 1: battles that you know, everything that could have compiled to
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Speaker 1: cause him to basically snap because he's trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out what the best defense is. Like basically, it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know your back is up against the defense, right,
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Speaker 1: you know that y'all might not make it out unscathed
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Speaker 1: at all, because, again, like I said, the evidence is here.
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Speaker 1: There's reports right now that they're in the hotel room
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Speaker 1: that Nick Reiner checked into, which he's on video right
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Speaker 1: checking into. And mind you, when he checked in there.
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Speaker 2: Was no blood on him.
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Speaker 1: But there's reports of blood found in a hotel. You
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Speaker 1: have his sibling who shows up at the parents' house,
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Speaker 1: who finds the parents dead, who let police know this
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Speaker 1: is who I think did it, and he's very dangerous. Right,
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Speaker 1: you have everything there, But it seems to me like
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Speaker 1: his attorney is just taking the time that he needs
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Speaker 1: to gather enough to make it where when the ball drops,
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Speaker 1: because it will in this case, I think it's very straightforward.
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Speaker 1: We were about to see happen. He's facing, you know,
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Speaker 1: life in prison or the death penalty. And let me
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Speaker 1: not say it is clear. When I say that it's clear,
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Speaker 1: I just mean we know he's going to deal like
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Speaker 1: a period, right, and he's gonna do some time. Right,
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Speaker 1: They're gonna make a decision on the death penalty or
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Speaker 1: not a little bit later. But and the reason why
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Speaker 1: that they're even able to consider the death penalty is
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Speaker 1: because there's like special conditions in the prosecutor in a
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Speaker 1: press conference he talked about the special conditions and he
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Speaker 1: talked about how it basically is because there were two
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Speaker 1: murders that were committed and the weapon that was used,
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Speaker 1: like the type of weapon that was used. So basically
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Speaker 1: these conditions are things that like kind of up the crime.
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Speaker 1: It makes it where heinous, so they're able to consider
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Speaker 1: the ultimate penalty, but they haven't considered that yet. But
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Speaker 1: basically his attorneys it's taking more time to figure out, Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is coming, so when it hits, how can we
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Speaker 1: soften the blow.
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: I do think that, you know, in arguing something like this,
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Speaker 1: like this is going to be so difficult for his family,
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Speaker 1: Like God blessed his family, and I know that, like
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Speaker 1: when you're dealing with mental health issues, this is not
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Speaker 1: something that's new. It seems like, you know, there have
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Speaker 1: been some you know, things that their family has dealt
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Speaker 1: with around this for some time, but it's very different
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Speaker 1: to have to publicly watch this all play out and
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Speaker 1: watch your sibling who is you know, there's been reports
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Speaker 1: that he's like in a daze at this point. You know,
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Speaker 1: I've read reports across outlets recently that basically say he
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Speaker 1: hasn't even fully processed what he did at this point
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Speaker 1: because of just his mental state. Right, So it's like,
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Speaker 1: if I'm the sibling, my mom my dad are no
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Speaker 1: longer here, I also now no longer have my brother
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Speaker 1: in all of the and he's literally not even connecting
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Speaker 1: what actually happened. So I don't It's like, how do
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Speaker 1: you ever get comfort in a situation like this? Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't think you ever. I've never lost someone as
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Speaker 1: close to me from something as heinous as this. But
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Speaker 1: you know, I've heard stories of people who feel like, okay,
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Speaker 1: but at least we know the person responsible for this
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Speaker 1: is behind bars. But it got to be completely different
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Speaker 1: when the person responsible is your brother, who also per
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Speaker 1: reports doesn't even understand fully what he just did. I
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Speaker 1: want to hear from you guys, you know, predictions on
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Speaker 1: what you think may happen and how this may play out,
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Speaker 1: you know, over the next few weeks, because they ask
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Speaker 1: for things to be continued until January. Over the next
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Speaker 1: few weeks, we'll hear a lot more about what legal
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Speaker 1: strategy may be. You know what Nick Reiner's past has
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Speaker 1: been like, and we've been seeing and hearing so much
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Speaker 1: about that what his past has been, like, I mean,
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Speaker 1: at this point, we also I'm sure we'll probably hear
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Speaker 1: I don't know how private the family plans to keep this.
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Speaker 1: I know they made a statement and just kind of
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Speaker 1: spoke out about how difficult things are for them right now.
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Speaker 2: But you know, the funerals.
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Speaker 1: Of Rob and Michelle Reiner, who Hollywood loved, like, I
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Speaker 1: saw so many people speaking out on behalf of like
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Speaker 1: Rob Riiner, how great of a person he was. I
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Speaker 1: saw Tech Campbell say that she gave him his start,
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Speaker 1: not that they were, like, you know, the closest of people,
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Speaker 1: but she's one of the people that he's one of
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Speaker 1: the people that put her into the comedy lane. And
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Speaker 1: then you have you know, I don't know, it just
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Speaker 1: it seems like the world kind of took a pall
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Speaker 1: to just talk about how great of a man Rob
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Speaker 1: Reiner was when all of this happened. But at the
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Speaker 1: same time, I also feel like, because this has become
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Speaker 1: the story, people have dug so deep into like everything personal.
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Speaker 1: So I don't even know how keeping a funeral private,
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Speaker 1: and it's such as messed up because it's such a
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Speaker 1: horrible gruesome situation. But it's such a highly publicized news
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Speaker 1: story too, so I'm sure we'll probably hear some more
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Speaker 1: about that as well. But you guys, you know, just
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Speaker 1: let me think. Let me know what you are thinking
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Speaker 1: around this. Is it even fair? Like if Nick Reiner
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Speaker 1: is found guilty for the murders of his parents, is
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Speaker 1: it even fair for him to be able to plead
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Speaker 1: not guilty because of insanity? Because you know, in doing that,
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Speaker 1: what they're trying to do is make it where a
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Speaker 1: lot of the harshness of the penalty is taken off
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Speaker 1: to the table.
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Speaker 2: Do y'all think that's fair? I want to hear from y'all.
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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, there's always a lot
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Speaker 2: to talk about. I'm mona Rosa. Y'all know we will
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Speaker 2: get into it here every single time, my low ride.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys for joining me to talk about it,
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Speaker 1: because y'all could be anywhere with anybody, which I choose
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Speaker 1: to be right here.
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Speaker 2: I'm lorda Rosa. I will catch you guys in my
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Speaker 2: next episode.