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AI Is Replacing Jobs Faster Than You Think | Future of Work · 10X AI with Julius Neil

• Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Good day everyone, I'm here again. This is Julius Neil your host at 10xAI Podcast. I'm here with Daniel Rodriguez Miguel, and he is from Luxembourg and he's a business owner and consultant. So Daniel, can you introduce yourself to our viewers and listeners and tell them more about what you're doing behind the desk, in Luxembourg. Daniel: Hi Julius, thank very much for inviting me today and yes, welcome everyone and thank you for listening to us. say. I mean, my name is Daniel Rodriguez. am Spanish, you can guess because of my accent I have over 20 years experience. I live in different countries, but I raised up in Spain, as I said at the beginning. I have computer engineering background, but during the last, I mean, during the different states of my life, you know, I was moving to the different roles like business, sales, manager, okay, it means when I can wear different, let's say hats. And then eventually Luxembourg, I arrived five ago more or less I decided to bring my comfort zone and deep into more entrepreneurship business owner consultancy roles. And then currently I am more in AI tokenization, ⁓ blockchain, ⁓ type industry because for me it's kind of exciting and especially you know AI is what we will discuss today. ⁓ I ⁓ we spend ⁓ we can you know basically many many hours ⁓ of course know but okay we are trying to let's say you know to to touch. to know the different points that I hope everyone will enjoy. Thank you very much. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, so you already told our audience that you've spent over 20 years at the intersection of engineering and then in the business and now you're going into innovation. So do you think leaders who understand both technology and business will dominate this AI era now? Daniel: Yeah, definitely, because you know what I notice sometimes and especially not just in AI, in the market in general, what I notice is that, of course, you know, the industry sometimes, you know, is lacking some experts. But on the other side, they require people that can, let's say, you know, different hats. And then I find the cases that There are individuals quite skilled, technically speaking, but they don't have this business acumen. And I think it's another way around as well. I read a post on Twitter now X that somebody said, somebody now in the union relationship is learning finance. If he's not also upskilling in technology innovation, is not going to success. And then for me, this is clear, the path in terms of what's going on. And also, of course, if you don't have the proper overview, doesn't matter if you are a business owner or you are working for a big corporate, eventually you need to have the vision, especially with this new era that everything is running super fast. What's going on this year most likely is what happened during the last three years and so on on and so on. And therefore, we need to become more, let's say, dynamic in general, just to say. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, but you know, currently so many companies are still separating the technical teams from the business strategy. So in an AI driven world, is that separation becoming dangerous now? Daniel: Well, I mean, eventually I think they need to enhance the communication. This is what I really think because of course, especially when you work for big corporations, you need to have some governance in place because otherwise, everyone would like to do a little bit of everything and eventually it's not working because when you are, let's say, conducting a small task or the teams, I mean, it's not big whatever. Okay, it's very easy to say you are whatever, okay, you are whoever and it's really great to work together. But then you need to put some procedures and policies in place. And then eventually, of course, you know, ⁓ you know, will be valuable to have the different expertise, but... As per my opinion and view, the teams should start to communicate more often and change maybe the way how to approach each other. Because ⁓ work, let's say, business, IT, business innovation, in silos, definitely it's not working. Because around, how is the competence? ⁓ And especially now there is this saying, I won't ⁓ remain will, ⁓ but Altman and other leaders in the industry that the one billion company ⁓ can be made, can emerged from one or two individuals working with ChatGpt or similar tools. And then I think it's kind of applicable as well for what we're seeing right now. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Looking back at your career, what moment you realized technology is going to play a big role or reshape how companies create value? Daniel: I mean, technology of course, always, know, let's say, you know, brought an important element in my work experience, but that's true, you know, in 2015, 16, I was more in the business side because it's at the time I decided to enroll to an executive MBA and therefore I detached between brackets, you know, from IT to business. But then in 27, when, you know, the Bitcoin price start to emerge with, by the way, you know, of course, change the technology. Bitcoin is one of the, let's say, the crypto is one of the you can have. It's when, you know, like I start listening a little more about AI because AI exists since, you know, several decades, but this, you know, in the last especially five years when boomed up. But then, you know, 10 years ago is when I noticed like, well, you know, those automations, you know, the companies, they start really to automatize. I remember especially one of the companies I like quite a lot is ServiceNow. ServiceNow for instance, ⁓ I I knew a service now because supposed to be a kind of ITCM manager, in order to manage the different tickets for a company. And now they are automatizing the different processes. And then I said, of course, it's not kind of replacing the humans, but all this kind of back office job. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Daniel: can be carried out by something else. And this is, I realize especially, of course, technology is always in there, but this especially between 17, 18, before the COVID outbreak, like, well, now that's true, you cannot be the typical bank guy, just working in funds, and waiting doing the stuff manually, The technology is part of your life. And who is not mastering the technology aside the on expertise, maybe can be in troubles in the future. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, so you already discussed your whole career now. So you work across management, marketing, then sales and technology. Which of those disciplines do you think will change the most because of AI? Daniel: I mean, it's a very, let's say, know, question because... For instance, in sales this morning, I had a meeting with somebody who I belong to the same community, know, revenue square. And then we have every two weeks, I cannot who led that, you know, the profiles are matching. And we were talking that, you know, she was working as SDR in sales. are talking about SDR of course is when you are, the first phase. Okay. In order, let's say, you know, to get the customer to the prospectus. And I think this position will suffer between racking a lot because you know, we have many tools like clay, they are automatizing the project, but think eventually the management or the personal achievements development, they will take a little bit more weight and those positions can become automatized. Also in technology, we have a very good example. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Daniel: course, we see the layoffs are happening right now. But Microsoft last year in the Q4 laid off 7,000 professionals. 9,000 I ⁓ remember because now there is quite often is ⁓ weekly basis. I what Microsoft was looking that for one side you have the sales people, on the other side, the technical ones. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Daniel: Then Microsoft, this is what I'm thinking, know, thought, okay, well, rather having, you know, seven and seven or 10 and 10. When we don't have, don't know, 12,000 go to market engineer that. You are not a super engineer, let's say like a coding guy, but you know, of course, you know, you have engineering background. On the other side, you have this customer service, let's say skills approach. And therefore with one profile, you can cover the two positions. It means in this case, you know, AI is not really replacing, you know, role itself. It's kind of, let's say, evolving to something else. That, know, the whole life happened, you know, with the previous revolutions ⁓ now it's happening with that. ⁓ also in terms of business, of course, you know, ⁓ When are ⁓ business owner, you have a small company and of course you have somebody from finance, somebody from marketing, somebody from IT ⁓ then really it's not your needs of your product. ⁓ is kind of you need to build up the team. Of course, you know, those kind of tasks, let's say, you know, can be somehow, let's say, conducted, but something else, is the technology. Therefore, I think, all the sectors will be, you know, to answer to your question, affected. But Anthropic, one week and a half ago, two weeks, released a kind of chart that let's say, predicting which one will be the most affected. And, know, programmers, know, coders, okay, they work the most. And the same will be a kind of evolution. But Anthropic, ⁓ one week and a half ago, two weeks, released a kind of chart that ⁓ let's say, predicting which one will be the most affected. And, know, programmers, know, coders, okay, they work the most. And the will be a kind of evolution. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay. Okay. Daniel: it doesn't mean they will be 100 % out of the market, but rather, you know, do the code from zero. They will look after, let's say, the product will be. I will, how can I say, to enhance the proper code, kind of more supervision and executing, right, doers is what I see, you know. And sorry for my answer, you because since the question was quite well, I needed, let's say, to go step by step. Thank you. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Yeah, that's good. So you already mentioned about, you know, having multiple hats your shoulders now. So for for the future of work, you mentioned in ⁓ one your posts about the Atlation layoffs that at Atlation, it weren't about the revenue, but about the changing of economics of work. What does that mean? Daniel: yeah, I mean, what I mean about that is like, you know, there are companies now, especially they are people and you see results in the Q1, Q2, Q3, you know, another year. And they, I won't say they are outstanding, but they, I mean, they have very good numbers, but I think they want to do most with less. Basically, ⁓ okay, if they can. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Daniel: let's say automatized. certain aspects of the job ⁓ they can become more efficient, they will do it because what happened in the big companies? Of course, you see the CEO because it's the face of the company. But that, there is a group of shareholders and other ones putting the money and asking for more and more and more. And now, especially in the big states, there is a kind of race, as we notice, all of us, ⁓ especially in and OpenAI, every single evening they are launching a new initiative because they have the bell you know, after my Twitter. And then is what I see now, the scenario is changing because in the paste it's like, okay, the company is not making proper revenue. We need to cut cost because we're to cut price. in the paste it's like, okay, the company is not making proper revenue. We need to cut cost because we're to cut price. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Daniel: But now it's not that, it's like, okay, we are making money, but we know we can grow much more with less And this is for me the point, and this is a totally different scenario again, But now it's not that, it's like, okay, we are making money, but we know we can grow much more with less And this is for me the point, and this is a totally different scenario again, as said at the very beginning, you know, we have the mindset, especially, know, the generation, not the set generations or the new ones, ⁓ that, if you will get fired or decrease the salary if it was allowed, because the company is not giving good numbers. But now it's not that, it's because they want to get much more. because they know the market provides with the tools. I think is what we need do with that. It's kind of crazy. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, so you mentioned about this. So you mentioned about, you know, the tasks, the roles, and then the entire profession a while ago. So what do you think AI will actually replace? Is it the task, the roles, or the entire profession? Daniel: some cases could be the entire profession. But on other side, I think we can maybe be back, you know, like in the, can be back in a scenario that at some point, you know, the human side will be more viable. It's an easy example, you know, when you go to those typical countries that, you know, the people is managing, you know, it's, you know, the product rather than to go to the supply chain, the value of the good is higher, you know, because it's being done by somebody else, you know, not by, ⁓ not let's say, a machine. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Daniel: And then right now is what it is. Could happen in the future that we become to that scenario. then coming that, let's say, will be professions like first time again to programmers, software engineers. I think the profession, despite of Dario, the founder of Anthropic, others, I think won't be 100 % replaced. But. the programmer or the coder or the software engineer rather just care about coding, needs to understand the whole picture. And this, let's say, opinion is coming back to the first question or the second question to formulate that if business and technology innovation must be together or separated. This is for me, you know, this is for me the point. And then, yeah, then we keep evolving because again, we are back to the industrial revolution. People were super scary and I seen this image or memo, whatever, like two weeks ago, that when the calculators, they were developer invented, the mathematics teachers, were, no, no, no, we cannot use the calculator because otherwise people won't follow the logic to do the maths. And we noticed that people are still learning algebra and calculus. And then they have a tool to facilitate that. I think also the way of teaching will change and definitely the education the calculators, they were developer invented, the mathematics teachers, were, no, no, no, we cannot use calculator because otherwise people won't follow the logic to do the maths. ⁓ And we noticed that people are still learning algebra and calculus. And then ⁓ they have a tool facilitate that. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Daniel: This is another sector we didn't mention and also I am uncovering, will change as well. Because, ⁓ course, the professor still will bring another value, but the methodology definitely, just to teach, to memorize the theory, will change, will be more executing than doing. is what we really think. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, so another thing that comes into my mind is many people believe that, you know, that as an employee, they are being protected automation because they are either, you know, junior or senior. So the more experience they have, the more indispensable they are. So do you agree that the real divide will be AI users versus non AI users rather than junior versus senior? Daniel: I think AI users, as you said, by AI users won't be necessary computer engineering background. It's like somebody from business or from a standard profession is not technical or innovative. will require to bring some high knowledge in order to facilitate the life. An example, because I express myself always better than a sample than the theory itself. I am podcast lover ⁓ two months ago I listened once again the founder of Salesforce and the guy said something that... Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Hmm. Daniel: At the beginning with Salesforce, had in one pocket the CRM. And now I have the CRM in one pocket and another one, the agent. It means like, know, it's conducting the job. ⁓ the CRM was facilitating several tasks. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Daniel: And now the agent is enhancing his staff as well. You see? And then I think it will be the same. Now with the juniors, and I think you address a very good point here, because it's in the media trending. What's happening now is that you graduated. And I think that you again, the founder of Anthropic, mentioned that in the next three years, the 30 % of the graduates for university will have really difficult to find a job is because for instance, what's happening with the consultancy companies because the model is changing. In the consultancy companies, they are charging per hour. course, ⁓ job, of course, with all my respect to those companies because I work with some of them, it be done by the AI itself. But then, of course, what happened with the junior role? The junior role, technically, theoretically, Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Daniel: was the individual who was learning from the senior, sometimes doing the dirty job in order to warm it up with a daily basis and eventually promote it. Now, if this figure doesn't exist because we are not learning from the senior, because the job is conducted by those tools, what will happen? That's why it's in the market now that the big companies, are first and foremost cutting cutting in order to be cost-wise, let's say, Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Daniel: they are stopping the hiring of the juniors, which was always added value because I would say, I don't like to talk about that, but this kind of is cheap. And also very kind of willingness to move on because you are like fresh from the degree, you want to prove yourself, you want to success, you are still like, you are naive on the market. Now what will happen with those roles? And then for me, eventually is what I say to the young generation, sometimes when I go to universities, is like, regardless doing your studies, conducting your studies, work in parallel, side project, learn AI, because if I am the interviewer, I have four of you in front of me, the four with the same degree, same year, grades, what will be my criteria to hire ⁓ or the other? eventually, OK, what you are doing. And of course, if you are bringing AI and also thinking out of the box, this expression now is becoming more as well. This will be for me that value, right? To hire somebody. And then, therefore, coming back to your question after explaining a little bit the context, definitively, you know, the more the junior, senior, we change to more AI, AI accompaniment, or I don't know how to define it, let's kind of in parallel, is I will say. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, so you already mentioned about hiring somebody with all the same degrees, same grades, and same university. So what do you think for the fresh grads now? So what skills should fresh grads start building today if they want to stay relevant in the next 10 years? Daniel: I think since, know, in the first and foremost, the interviewing process is changing, not because, you know, there is a percentage of the interviews are fake, because there are several al-Tikus talking about that, it's as well because this, I mean, I was recruiting people. I received for instance in one week, in one of the projects I was working, in one week 110 CVs. What will be the... Julius Neil Buenconsejo: you ⁓ this is one position for one position. Wow. Wow. Daniel: in one post and in Luxembourg with the market is very small 110 CVs in seven eight days and this is for real a lot of fear and then when I was looking at the CVs and I am not a lawyer of course I understand about lawyer because law sorry because you know the last project I was working ⁓ It's like, why? What will be my criteria to get one on another? You know what I mean? And I think this is changing and eventually, in one of the positions that's changing over cover, is because that person, know, promote him herself, I want this close, was talking, was saying, I can do this, this, this, and I was bringing another value because it's like, this is the job I spec. It's not just the job aspect. It's what can I bring an extra mile? And I'm not talking about you need to work extra. Don't get me wrong, because I'm an advocate for the life balance. I'm not the kind of person that works in 24 hours. But this is the point. You need to bring another value that what can I do for you? What can I do to improve you? You're a junior, because you have fresh ideas. And then, of course, learn AI. But learning AI doesn't mean know, run Python Java a... language is just to understand the tools and also they use cases. ⁓ is what will be because it doesn't matter to the profession you are covering because he's just, okay, what can I do with AI? You see those typical posts that the chief operation officer are dead, ⁓ RIP is gonna miss little bit of course to make propaganda. But there are some of them, they explain how they built a kind of assistant, how they built a kind of chief operation officer. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm. Daniel: And of course, you know, replacing the person 100%, but all those administrative tasks that taking over, it means, okay, the individual can focus on what really matters in strategy, operations, executing. You know, this is what I would say to young people like, don't stick the official studies, try to think out of the box. And now luckily, we're in a moment that... It's not free because we are paying internet and we are eventually the product that we can discuss that later on. you have. All around when I was 15 years old, if I needed information, course, Internet started blooming. I went to the library. Now you have everything on Internet and now you have available the tools that is enhancing your skills. Take a balance about that. Dedicate a little bit of time every day. This is what I will say in order is like I will dedicate. I will be a finance guy. OK, how can I enhance? How can I efficient my time much more? I will use this tool and that's it. OK, and then will be another value for the role you will apply. sure. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: so this is for the starters. for example, as professional, does an AI augmented professional look like in practice? You mentioned about the Salesforce CEO. He has the tools that he is using now. But for an ordinary employee, those AI augmented that would augment his on a daily basis? Daniel: For instance, I remember one analysis professor used to told me that there is a syndrome from many people, already professional, is the syndrome of the white paper, the ⁓ white page. Basically, there is nothing written and you need to start from zero. If you are working in a profession that requires work on a desk, then sometimes prospect. to create the first draft because no copy paste. This is the error many people is mistaken. And of course, the ones we are working every day with AI, we notice when you receive an email even you see a post this 100 % of AI. Can enhance in terms of, how can I start this? ⁓ some ideas. And then you choose the best one as per your criteria and move on. Now with the languages, of course, you know, always there is this barrier. You need to write a report, important one, especially if you're on another site is quite picky. Write it on your own, don't just translate to me. And then eventually, you know, you can ask AI, can you please correct my mistakes? And this is also another thing you are learning at the same time. You see, you know, like do it and send it. No, no, no, look and explain me. Because for instance, ChatGPT, I am using some of them right now, different tools, but ChatGPT, there is an option. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Hmm. Correct. Daniel: is called the studio one and then you can planify, learn a language from zero, programming a code, math, all those difficulties we had 20 years ago. You can conduct it right now and you just you need to follow the program and the both time. These are the only two elements you need to put on the table. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah, all right. So I understand this. I totally agree with you. So when I was starting, you know, exploring about AI, I was really skeptical when I was starting. So I usually write all my case studies, from scratch, and then use Google to research, you know, sometimes we get some books and it took a lot of time for me to be able like 50 pages of case study. I have to work three to six months. of digging all the information if this going to get value and then of course the referencing you need to have the APA and all these things and now everything is just like this and then I realized what how lucky is this generation that they already have all those tools and all those information right at their fingertips and still most of the people still don't have the critical thinking you know what I mean ⁓ it's already you know you just Daniel: Yes. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: I have to plan it out, okay? I wanted this idea, and then step one, step two, step three, step four, and then just dig more and then investigate. And now everything is there. You know what I mean, right? Daniel: And then you mentioned something very important, Julius by the way, because I remember when I was conducting my thesis, reference. Because people just ask for GPT, Claude, Gemini, different tools, and copy paste without checking. You can ask as well, know, the LLM that, can you please bring me the reference? And then you check on your own reference because as you said, searching, browsing on Google. of course, know, the CEO positioning, you know, and sometimes the information ⁓ like, okay, well, but then with ChatGPT of course, you know, there are some, you know, there are some studies, especially from Stanford that they said that, you know, they have some bias, okay, depends who is behind the algorithm. But then eventually you can ask for the reference and then it's you who will decide based on the reference, your own criteria. You won't the LLM ⁓ make the decision for you, you know, but then you have this possibility, you said, we had the internet era and before that, going to the library, go to the book, the book maybe was updated. You need to wait for the next edition, but there is no budget for the library. then you know what you are presenting is kind of innovative, but you know there is some version somewhere else. You need to pick it up. ⁓ Amazon, you know, to deliver. You need to go to this physical shop. You see how changing, okay? Now we are gaining time. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, I know. Daniel: But of course, we are also adding more jobs to our shoulders which is also another topic we can discuss as well. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, I know. And then ⁓ let's move more on interesting topics like the citizen and AI, the mRNA dog story that you posted. So the story of someone using AI tools like ChatGPT and AlphaFold to design a vaccine for their dog raises huge questions, right? So do you see AI enabling a wave of scientists disrupting traditional research models? Daniel: Yeah. This is super cool because, mean, apparently, you know, I read and, know, was verified because by the Australian media that is not 100 % true, but the state, you know, most likely, you know, if it's not happening now, what happened? Because I think somebody yesterday did drop a kind of tweet, mentioned is not true, but Elon Musk replied, but will happen, you know, then, you we, I mean, we have to follow the, I say, you know, Elon Musk is always right, but I mean, We know who is perfectly and then maybe you is not hundred percent true Which believe could be true. Why not? But I think you know, this is this is opening let's say another another another door because Maybe know, I will touch something tedious and I don't wanna let's say make any any any mess but for the eastern, you the pharmacy lobbies, know, so on and so on what will happen because now you have a that can enhance your skills to move on because basically the guy was looking for a solution for the sickness of his dog. And then... The guy basically let's say use the ChatGPT plus another tool from DeepMind, Google if I remember well, which by the way I registered in order to try it. And the guy spends $3,000 or euros in tokens because of course this is the business model. And the guy found the cure and he maybe didn't, but I am sure he was closer that somebody spending six months with a salary of that person, the team and so on so on doing it. And I think he's opening let's say many Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Daniel: answers to ongoing questions. And another one, and I because I forgot to post, was a kind of, ⁓ a mathematic problem for 20 years without resolve. And then a mathematic, after 11 try ⁓ solve it by AI. And the himself said, wow, I was completely wrong because that person thought and that won't happen and eventually he did it. And you see, it's in many sectors because we are talking about when we think about AI, we think about technology, tech companies. No, health tech is something that, of course by the way, Luxembourg is investing a lot here, ⁓ be one of the verticals. Also aerospace, have the two ends. have Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos Elon Musk is looking to go ⁓ out of Earth, because in order to find a better life expand the human footprint. Jeff Bezos on the other side, I think it was Jeff Bezos, I don't make it wrong, is building startup, but also is trying to think about with the current resources, how to move on. You see, ⁓ and also will play an important role. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, I know. if for example, in this ⁓ mRNA dog story, so if individuals now like us, you know, becomes very interested in experimenting with biotech using AI assistance, so how should society balance innovation with safety? Because now, you know, the safety now will be another issue, right? Daniel: Yeah. This is completely agree, I completely agree with that. this is also touching another point. It's just the safety where your data is going. But we are talking about because I think we have another related post about that. And The safety, you need to believe what an AI is saying because it's not 100 % accurate. And then on charge GPT for instance, if I remember well, when you are asking certain questions, okay, on the bottom, you have a kind of message. You have a message that said that, you know, the answer can maybe is not accurate. They said, okay, it's not perfect. Still the models are learning, okay. If you look how the models have evolved in the last six months to nowadays, of course there's a big difference. You know, you see the upgrades and so on and so on. But then, still, this fact is dead because why you should trust about that? And there are also information that people commit a suicide because of such ⁓ pity conversation. need to be careful about ⁓ That one is spooky because ⁓ about that. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yes, I saw that one. I saw that one. Daniel: Maybe what we found, we find right now is innovative, funny. Maybe the generation, the generation 20 years later, they don't look like smoking, right? Smoking in the 70s, people was featured in the movies with a cigarette because it was something cool. And now, know, it's something that they want to wipe it out. I won't say the AI would happen the same, but we are still, we don't know the collateral effects. And there are many. First and foremost, there are studies that they said that people is learning a programming language using AI, not just to support a certain question from zero with everything that AI is doing everything, is 15 or 20 percent less than thinking out of the box. There another expression, but I don't remember if this is similar, that somebody learning in the hard way from the book. You see, and then it's coming back, as you said, to safety. Should I trust what AI is saying rather a doctor that got seven years, five years degree experience and so on and so on? This will be a dilemma. My take on that will be for easy, let's say, Maybe it will be AI. And after that, for more accurate statement. will be let's say you know the professional and then the professional could focus in more I would say in more critical stuff rather the basis and then more time more focus more execution and the basis you will have your agent supporting you this is what I think will happen Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yes, I got really interested about this because I believe that there is a lot of potential when it comes to biotech and then this medicine discovery for cure for cancer or whatever we have right now because we have so much data that we can use. And the advantage of AI is if you have all these data models that is really, really good data models that we got all over the world, millions of billions of that, and then we can simulate at least, you you don't have to do it to the humans. or you don't have to do clinical trials right away because based on the simulation, you can already know that if we do this path, it's going to be a waste of our time ⁓ can more focus on that. But on the other hand, ⁓ you think are going to reach a point where medical breakthroughs start outside of traditional institutions like this Pfizer and all this? ⁓ Yeah. Daniel: Yeah, I know where you're going. I think as well, the medical sector will change as well, definitely. Like all the sector will be affected, in more or less, let's say, But then I think what will happen now is like for, as I said in the previous question, for a standard assessment. you will have a kind of both or a virtual assistant than basic on what you said. For instance, let's say that you call an AI bot and then you explain the basis of fever, five six questions and then we'll say, okay, you ⁓ to take a paracetamol or something like this. But if it's something more like, I mean, that you get a heart attack, it's an example, right? A heart example that then, you the doctors will take care. What I think is like, the population keeps growing even there are countries that know the the rate is is lower down the life span now is becoming more and more important that's why you see you know the gyms you know full of people also you know more let's say, know, beauty operations, let's say that before. And then therefore, let's say, you know, the medical service, okay, will go more in demand. And then there are not enough doctors. Indeed, you know, there are countries that they have a shortage or lack of medical professionals. And then eventually will be like kind of first phase, you know, the AI support team and the professional, the second one. This is what I think will happen. If it's out of the standard, let's say, institutions. I think this is a very big topic because there is a regulation behind, is another school of doctors. I think this is crossing the line. when people said that, okay, the tech companies will become banks, but this is different because this is blockchain tokenization. ⁓ then there is one or the other. In of doctors or the medical sector will change, but definitely I think the basement or the basis will keep it, but with many changes. benefit the population. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, so do you think the AI could democratize scientific discovery the way internet democratizes information? Daniel: yes, depends on the regulation. ⁓ don't want to say it become a commodity, ⁓ of course, for aspects, at least, let's say, for the research. won't be necessary to have the stamp I am PhD, you have a certain professional with curious and then you can prove with arguments of course, like this is what it is, this is why, no, why it is why? Because of this, this, this, this, this, because again, now you have those tools to prove that and therefore could be democratized, but who will put the stamp? still will be a professional in the sector. Maybe the idea will be open that in the paste you come out to the doctor and the answer of the doctor said, the only doctor in the room is me. But now we bring in arguments with all the information we have. Maybe the doctor coming back to the scenario just mentioned said, okay, they are not a doctor, but we just mentioned, bring certain criteria. Let me check. This is because we have the tools. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Okay. Daniel: What are the Windows tools? Eventually, they are gathering the data from the professionals. Therefore, they have the answers. But we still need somebody to validate. And this is my point. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay. Yeah, so now we're going into the governance now, so the safety and the governance. So it's very important also that we have these guardrails when it comes to AI. When is acceptable accurately or when is it going to be, you know, at the certain level of, you know, we have to regulate this. So you mentioned about that Europe is pushing strong regulation through initiatives like European Union Artificial Intelligence Act. Do you think the strict regulation protects society or risk slowing down the innovation? Daniel: Yeah. mean, eventually this is the endless question, like with the tech, with the regulation, that the meme that, you know, like the only AI we have in Europe is Mistral, which by the way is backed up by Americans. And then about because of the regulation is let's say being, or the you know, we are slowing down. And I think, you know, still like, know, the decision, let's should be closer to leadership. also are closer to the energy. This is what happens sometimes. What happens as well when I notice the ecosystem are smaller and connected. And also let's say, know, another benefit, sorry for the opt-in is what I mean. regulators and innovation should talk directly, you know, and this is back as well what you mentioned in the previous question, another conversation, business and innovation, you know, they should talk a little bit more each other. I think, you know, regulation and especially governance is necessary because governance in every single company, even in crypto, is a must because otherwise, you know, people ⁓ running like chicken without head. ⁓ eventually, be a 50-50. You cannot overregulate or overgovernate because on the other side you are slowing down the processes. But if you are going like, you know, open chest style, there is a high risk. then actually we be reactive rather proactive. I think for me, definitely it should be a 50-50. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Hmm Okay, okay. And then you are in Luxembourg now, so we can focus more on Luxembourg when it to AI. So Luxembourg composition itself as a flexible innovation hub within the European Union. How do you see Luxembourg balancing AI innovation and governance compared to larger European countries? Daniel: I mean, in Luxembourg they are doing a very, very, very interesting project because, you know, it's what I said, you know, with the previous question that, you know, since the country, let's say, is small, let's say, you know, decisions are very close to the leadership and also, you know, regulators and innovators, can talk directly, I mean, in Luxembourg. right next to my place you know the CSSF which is the local regulator I won't say it's easy to knock the door but you have a high likelihood you know to go to ⁓ like it is in Spain CNB that Spain that is the local regulator that of course okay you go to the main door okay who you are and here like ⁓ the you have a proposal at least they listen to you that ⁓ I this is is one of the good advantage now also I think as far as you remember we Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Hahaha. Mm-hmm. Daniel: working in a sandbox. We have different institutions that are related to AI. ⁓ Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Well, last week I attended a conference in because it was conducted mostly in French language. There was the Ministry of Economics we were discussing about AI and current situation and different people on the stage. ⁓ then minister mentioned that for ⁓ scalable they are also bringing ⁓ Julius Neil Buenconsejo: You Daniel: additional, you know, because in Luxembourg there are many initiatives, you know, to start. But then what happened? Okay. This gap, when you start, when you really start making money, you know. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay. Daniel: And now Luxembourg let's say, realize about that because there are several programs here and they realize about that. And now they decide, okay, is the moment let's say to add an extra layer in order to fix that. And therefore, and Luxembourg realize as well about the percentage of the potential employees, can lose the job. another even two weeks ago, the prime minister had a meeting with with the Sea of Mistral. And because of the mistralizing will be the technology in Luxembourg. And then you see, it's moving little by little. There are several initiatives. They are carrying out. And also there are in total 823 startups in Luxembourg, if I remember well, for a small country. And many of them, I will say most of them, because I don't have the number in mind, are integrated. This is a sign that we are moving forward. And also I know more and more people over 35, 40 years old. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Hello. Mm-hmm. Daniel: that you know they have certain experience and they said I want to jump you know to the entrepreneurship and then do something on my own I have the knowledge maybe not the technical but I have the AI to build something AI powered this is what I see you know in the the Luxembourg in general Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, okay, yeah. Okay, so give me one minute. Okay, I'll just check something. Daniel: Yes, sir. you Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, next is, do you think Europe risk failing, falling the OpenAI, Google and Microsoft ecosystem because of regulation? Daniel: was circulated on internet, you know, the innovation, you know, we have this, you know, for the bottle, you know, and then all the other companies. This is not just innovation, there is appetite. what I see that in, ⁓ I work a lot with Americans and then there is appetite, the way of working is quite different as far as you can see mostly in Europe. And know, ⁓ more more straightforward. And I think this is also, it's not just regulation because we're talking about the regulation is slowing down. In Europe, have less and less excuse, that's true. Okay, we have to go through the process. But now, I mean we have more, mean we easy set the process like two months ago if I remember well one month ago but was for sure this year there a new law in Europe a new initiative that in order to set up a company you can manage online in less than two weeks. Wow ⁓ You remove all this kind of all this paperwork, you know bureaucracy and then Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-mm. Mm. Daniel: Let's go hands on. that because ⁓ are still saying, OK, regulation, regulation. That's true. We have with the regulation in Europe is different like in USA. This is for real. But I notice, OK, ⁓ and more and more new elements are coming to the table in order to ease the way to move on. And then I think is less talk. More work, this is what I said, me the first one. But this is my personal opinion about that. ⁓ is difference, they have another speed, but here I know very, very good companies. professionals, they also speeding up. Nothing to imply the professionals and the companies are there. But of course, that's true. The big techs are the ones taking over eventually, I mean, we very good companies here in Luxembourg in Europe. The best example I ⁓ tried recently Lovable. ⁓ This because was thinking in Spanish this moment. This one is the European Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Hmm. Daniel: unicorn and then there is a person you know behind in the growth which I learned from her during one of the problems I took three four years ago Elena Berna part of the growth the company and then this product is fantastic it's simply fantastic okay and then they are giving away sometimes 24 hours you know free trials ⁓ so on and so on okay and then it's not American I think this company is from Sweden you see and then even companies like another Sweden one Spotify you know the music Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Daniel: you know, they are running many processes ⁓ AI as well. You see, in Europe, we are moving forward. Sometimes, okay, we need to have double conversations, you know, like on the other side of ⁓ world. But, definitely, it's just a matter of, okay, what would you like to do? Let's move on, hands on, and that's it. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah. Do you think Europe is more on the conservative side when it comes to innovation compared to the American model? Daniel: just, not just let's say with the, ⁓ the, because in Europe what I, ⁓ far as I can see, is an example and maybe you know we are a little bit off the topic otherwise you know, stop me. Just with an American, an American for public jobs, a public work is like, no, no, no. business, know, system is different, every single person without super education, he or she knows what to do for the future. And here, know, in Europe, in certain countries, I don't want to mention, do you notice that the population after 30 years old, when you are young, you are from the university, some people already quite good experience, they go for the public? Why? because after certain age you are for the market expensive. And then, okay, you have a family, you are not looking only for yourself, okay, you need to look after the others. then, okay, if you become public worker, even, you know, they have to take note of their son and son, you don't need to do you don't need to reinvent yourself, know, the salaries arrive into your bank account, every day. You see, this is point, you know, and also the mindset. ⁓ I read it was not meme, ⁓ it was true, an American I was in a room with a French guy in the early 20s. then the American guy said to the French guy, really like in France, know, the working week ⁓ 35 hours. That's true. That's true. The French guy says, it's true, it's 35 hours. ⁓ the American said, come on, because this is the time I spend in two, three days. ⁓ Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Ha ha ha ha! Daniel: You see, this is the big example. I am not saying Americans are better above the Europeans because I know fantastic Europeans are working. But I think the general mindset, I'm not talking about individual basis, is a little bit different. know, the resupport rate is much higher there than here. You see, know, why, you know, people is going to USA to get funding, not because the wellness people, the wellness people is in everywhere, you know, even in poor countries is because, you know, the resupport rate is higher. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay. Yeah. Daniel: than here. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. So what would an ideal AI governance model look like? that encourages innovation but avoids major societal risk. Daniel: It's to say, I will summarize very generic, but ⁓ think eventually the companies, they need to build ⁓ the transparent way of the people responsible. And also, let's say, ⁓ about how to win the market because this is just in a short, let's say, how can I define that because like need... Having governance is a must on your company or the country itself. means, know, governance in order to bring certain order. And then, you know, this is, the way, let's say, can ⁓ you know, mostly, let's say, with the transparency, you know, like, because, I mean, you are working in the opaque manner, don't want to work. You and then of course you need to be responsible. You must build something and then, you know, aware about the side effects. Another example, because it's Dario, know, the guy from Anthropic. Apparently, you know, two, three weeks ago, they turned down, you know, the Pentagon in USA because they want to, let's say, you know, have something on the code, like kind of more open to use for certain activities ⁓ Dario said, no, no, no, no, we don't want to work on that. You see, you need to have this kind of, let's say, criteria and apparently OpenAI said yes, yes, yes, what can we do to you? For me, this case, know, Dario, the CEO of Anthropic and the team again, you know, deliver a really valuable lesson, you know, about how responsible you are. They develop something that they know they are bringing quite a lot of advantage to the population, but also can jeopardize the current society. And then, you know, at least, you know, as far as I can see, he's trying to do the best, of course, he's making money, obviously. also trying to use the tools he is developing or his team is developing in the wise way. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, so let's move on and some a little fun side topic. This is about the Pokemon Go we discussed a while ago. So it's very fascinating because millions of people knowingly helped build one of the largest real-world visual data sets you mentioned about it. So do you think the future of AI will mostly come from incidental human activity rather than intentional data collection? Daniel: Could be, mean, was more than, mean, intention from the Pokemon guys was there because they said, okay, rather a research company ⁓ to all, to collect all the data, okay, let's, know, the customers, you know, to bring what we ⁓ And then model, of course, definitely will follow because like, ⁓ I mean, sometimes for the you know, the citizens, okay, in order to conduct certain actions, you need to push them. Now people is volunteering, right? Okay, because what I see on that, and this is of course another topic, people, especially the generations, they don't really care about the data, you know? I mean, I come from, I come, let's say, from an environment that you don't need, don't serve your, even your, you know, Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm. Daniel: the place you born and so on and so on okay what can they seen everywhere and now the universe they are like this you know like i don't care what they can find a habit about me okay many things you know especially you know your taste when you are let's say buying something but anyway but then the pokemon This is a clear example that others will follow, that especially those gaming companies, know, that the kids or the adult is spending the voting quite a lot of time in front of the computer. I mean, they will get the habits of that person. And eventually, will model the persona in Bayern. And then this is definitely process that others will follow, 100%. 100 % about that. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah. I think we are entering in an era where entertainment platforms can be used, you know, as a data infrastructure collection for AI for different companies. So these entertainment guys, like for example, the VR, for example, and now this emerging, you know, this Ray-Ban glasses that they wanted to use that. I think that is one of the things that they, that's the future for them. Initially it's going to be like augmenting what you see. you know, visually, but eventually it will gather more information, more details about, for example, internal structures of the building. can also gather some humidity and temperature inside that and then they can model this based on the data that they need in the future. So there's a philosophical question here. So if people unknowingly contribute data that powers billion-dollar AI system, who really owns the value of that data? Daniel: Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: You know what I mean, Daniel: No, no, this is definitely a very good question. That's why regulations or similar, let's say, accountable players, they need to bring, let's say, an answer to the question. Because as you said, with your data, with your habits, you are building a product that eventually somebody else will benefit of that. But on the other side, there is nowhere where you sign that this data is, you see, I think somehow, Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Maybe we'll say something which is not accurate or a little bit silly. Somehow, maybe it could be like in the future. mean, when you have kids, they go to the school and then, you know, the father or the mother receive a letter. They said that the kids, are going to an outside activity. The school will take pictures. Are you allowed to, to, to, are you allowed, let's say, you know, to, your kids, you know, to be shown the picture and you have to say yes or no. And then. Maybe with the data will happen something like this, right? Or like when you are sending a CV for a recruiter website, then there is sometimes a check that they said, are you allowed to keep your data for a certain time, or can also receive promotions? could be something like this. As I said, maybe something what I say is a nonsense and silly, but in five years, perhaps we are running to the point that, you know, the data of course, you know, is the 21st century gold or petrol and something because, you know, information is power, my friend, eventually. This is what I'm then who is owning the information is having the power and knowledge sometimes. And therefore, okay, as I said, we hitting a moment that Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Daniel: element must be taken into consideration because I cannot give you the answer ⁓ I am not a regulator, it's just an opinion. It's a kind of limbo, it's a kind of in the air and there is not a proper answer about that, at least I don't know that. Maybe you speak to a lawyer and then you will get the answer, but I don't think so. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so looking forward, like if we project 10 to 15 years ahead, what will people look back on and say, that was the moment I really changed everything. Daniel: think it will depend on the ⁓ experience because now I read sometimes that AI or ChagiPT or similar, we always say ChagiPT rather called LLM because I think everyone identifies that as one of the first LLM, well known. like is the new era, the new internet, some people is comparing that with the electricity discovery, you know, and then it's like, But what ⁓ am really sure about that, or quite, let's say, confident about what could happen. maybe 15 years will be a spaces and they already existing dedicated that you cannot use AI and even internet like kind of libraries like you are isolate of everything not the typical you know retirement place in the middle of nowhere okay you stay three days breathing let's breathing uh uh oxygen or the forest this is different topic but i think will be places that dedicated for people that they don't want to have anything to do with technologies, with AI, and also internet, of course it's a technology, and you know, in order to clear out your head, because always you know, I am not sure if it's true or not, because I read in many places, they said you know, the kids of the children of the elite, the people of the very... they don't use computers or mobile cell phones until they are late in teenager phase. Like, and three kids with three years old using the iPhone, especially when they need to stop crying. You see, that's why I think there is a lot of question marks still about that. And then coming back again to your question, I think will depends of the personal information because maybe somebody will say AI change in 2026 because the ages, they were kind of a solo person, individual in 27. Or somebody will say, no, no, no, the life changed when I discovered Chagyptin 22, 23, 23, because I was able to manage the prospectus easily and then focus on something else. I think it will depend in the person and in several aspects. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, so offline we also discuss about this rent human where agents are, ⁓ know, renting humans. So if AI becomes the operating system of society, what role will humans play? Daniel: There are, let's say, suggestions that may become like a Skynet, Terminator movie, but ⁓ are not very far. I eventually, yeah, ⁓ AI... Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah. Daniel: This tool indeed, this technology or this tool is hiring humans to manage the role, the job they cannot conduct. But this is as well another question that instance, robots, because people is, there is also a lot of discussion that the blue colors, white colors, they no, no, you need to do some manual, you know, to learn, know, to master manual job. Okay. You notice, you know, how the robots, they are revolute as well. Of course, to do the proper job that a planber, analyst, electrician, which are the two roles they usually come to the table that you know they are more specific maybe no but the basic roles job they are doing it a robot can do that You see, then, yeah, ⁓ are also rumors that Elon Musk mentioned in a tweet two, three days ago as well that the basic income will arrive at some point. OK, but you have a basic income. For me, the basic income, in of we have those agents and we have the AI mastering everything. have this income. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Daniel: For me, in my opinion, will be to have a fixed salary. It means everyone will have the basics on the table at the end of the day. And the most important, or semi-important, will have your time to develop new skills because again, AI looks is doing everything, but still, the human society will keep on using ⁓ then people should learn new skills and new capacities. ⁓ with the time that you are not devoting eight hours plus committing to your office or to your workplace, you will be able, let's say, to reinvent yourself or to something else. Meanwhile, you get a salary. You see, this is what could happen. This is kind of ⁓ mystery because Also they said, know, the AI is a hype right now, we'll lower it down and eventually just speak with a random human being or individual and said, okay, well, if everyone will be automatized, who is buying, you know? That's true. I think the answer is the basic income, but who is covering the basic income? as well as coming back to that, there are things that are popping up in my head. I think, again, Dario, the CEO of Anthropic mentioned... Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Correct. Correct. Mm-hmm. Daniel: the AI companies, should pay more taxes. And also I Bill Gates suggested in the paste like a robot should pay taxes because let's get a big company and you have 1 million robots in the factory. Of course, no, the robot never get tired, it's not asking for a pre-raise, leave and then, okay, it's doing the job, but car factory. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Daniel: But it's doing the job. then a human is buying the car. But not a human, no, because the car is driving for itself like those Tesla or those cars. They're self-driving. And then at some point, what will happen with the human? are in 8 billion of population. And there are some studies, some, how can I say, let's say predictions that we hit 10 billion by 2050. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Where the city wheels are going? You see? I think this is as well is a very complicated question, but maybe in two years can be answered because everything is going so fast. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah. So before we go to our last round, 10x round, I'd like to ask you one more question in this segment. Are you more optimistic or concerned about the AI future? Daniel: 50-50 I will say. I mean I'm very very optimistic mindset by the way in every life. And then I am optimistic in the fact that is you know some dirty tasks let's say you boring tasks are being streamlined by AI but on the other side a little bit concerned that you know there are some articles like the four or five people are on the top They will manage everything, course, you or me with the AI tool, maybe we will build the next unicorn. But, know, as I said, will be just a few people, you know, those AI companies that they are developing the product. The last one, you know, the first one was the Jack Thorsten, the founder of former Twitter, X. This guy now laid off, I think 20 or 25 % of the company. That's true, Jack Dorsey, posted that, okay, maybe they over-hired it, okay, and after that they changed the process and so on and so on. But for me, it's a sign that you are hiring a lot of engineers or software developers and after that, the product is done, you don't need them anymore. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: I know, yeah. Daniel: And then it's complicated. And now for the moment, they are back and forth like Amazon recently was another new that was a big failure because, you know, they rely 100 % or 90 % on AI rather than genus and eventually fail. Of course, it still is failing. But think about in the next three, five years. Of course, in the next two years will happen, but three or five to secure that. For sure, the AI will be more sophisticated. And then what will happen with the rest? My concern is what the people would do because. We are in a generation that I was told, if you study, you will have a decent job. And now, know, all those over-broadways and especially in USA, you know, the students who enroll to computer engineering degrees decrease a lot because they said, what I should spend, I don't know, how much, you know, 100, 200,000 euros for the four years plus accommodation and so on so on. If I can take a course on internet, do not training and also the focus on myself and also maybe focus on manual tasks. You see, it's quite a lot of assertions. I said for one set of optimistic because what a moment to be alive, but on the other, especially for the new generations, I am a little bit concerned. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: You Yeah, correct. So I totally agree with you on that because as long as we don't know where the future is heading or we are certain enough that what's going to be the future of AI in our lives, we should be at least some worry. But of course, there's going to be some optimism about it. Okay, so we're going now to the final punch, our rapid 10x. These are 10 questions about you, about AI. First question, what's one tool you actually use every day? AI tool. Daniel: I use the one I use more often is Claude. Claude for Anthrope. Yeah, for Anthrope because I was let's say, a GPT guy, have also Gemini. I mistral as well, I use quite a lot, Perplexity. Indeed, maybe we'll go for the pro version because now they kind of new, let's see, probably have. But now definitely Claude is the one I'm using. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, number two question is what's one task AI has already 10x in your life? Daniel: does it, sorry, can you repeat please? Julius Neil Buenconsejo: What's one task AI has already 10x in your life? Like 10x productivity, 10x faster. Yeah. Daniel: ⁓ okay. Okay, yeah, no, no, let me think about it. Sometimes, let's say to analyze certain documents, you know, again, have a copy paste, but for instance, if I find a little bit that she tired, it is the end of the day, it's like, can you please give me some ideas about that? And of course, after that, you know, I manage, you know, I conduct my own, let's say, criteria. But this is, know, for me, since I read a lot and I love reading, but, you know, sometimes you need to streamline a little bit, okay, and then of course, you know, this is, you know, definitely supporting me in order to make the Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Daniel: proper prospectus or specific research. I would say those two tasks. To analyze a document and also to do some research and also with the reference and so on so on in order to put my own criteria after that. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, so what's one human skill AI can never replace? Daniel: good question. What I said to ⁓ the new generation is the soft skills. But one of say, skill or element will is the judgment. They can analyze, but I think the decision-maker, despite of what they said, an AI could be a CEO, I think behind the scenes should be a human. ⁓ Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, so if you could automate one annoying thing forever, what would it be? Daniel: I would say emails. I try to respond to everyone, especially when I hit on LinkedIn. Even they are trying to sell me something that I am not interested at all. OK, always I read and I say, thank you. Just, you know, it's a matter to be polite. But I think with those, say, with certain AI, I think there are some Google release a new feature, you know, last week. Still it was getting there. kind of, of course, you know, knowing me, because you when you spend certain time with the technology, LLM, you know, I start knowing you very well. Like. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Daniel: reply, you know, automatically certain emails, category sizes, and so on and so I would say emails, you know, because it's taking off for me. For every single professional, a big, significant, let's say, a slide or slides, I will say, you know, of the, of the time of the day. And definitely I will say, I will try it. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: I do understand that because even in my emails if you see you know thousands or hundreds are still unread until now. Yeah so next question what's the biggest misconception about AI right? Daniel: Exactly, I think we just talk about that, the replacing jobs. I think the real shift, let's see, is changing the nature of the job. It's what I said in several aspects of our conversations. Not the job itself will be replaced, some of them, yes, but will be the nature. The way we are looking and see how the job is conducted. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Okay. Okay, what advice would you give someone who wants to become 10x starting today? Daniel: you I mean, I think we mentioned several points, but just to start, learn how AI works in terms of conceptually speaking. You don't need to learn a specific programming language, as I said. Build some stuff with try out, with the free versions. You don't need to pay the promotion, which is 20 euros per month, most of them. Mostly everyone can afford it. And for me, the most important, stay curious, because when I say that, you Thank you. Or because of rather thank you, you know, Tik Tok and all those technologies. is an algorithm behind in order to draw your attention. We are losing focus and also we ⁓ let's say, to ease our let's say, on daily basis, rather to spend some of time to think about, to think out of the box. We mentioned this several times as well. And also curiosity because everything is given. No, no, be curious and make your own criteria is what I will say. Okay. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: So what would you tell your younger self about the future? Daniel: I think also we talk a little bit about that, okay? I think, you know, the biggest opportunities usually from new technologies waves, is what I will say. You know, now coming back to what we said, ⁓ the billion company, you know, with one or two individuals, this is the best example. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: I understand. So what's one book, podcast, or resource that shaped your thinking about AI or innovation? Daniel: It's kind of complicated because there is a lot of materials there and especially nowadays. But if I have to mention one, I will say zero to one. It's from Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel, I mean, he's a very well known. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: I think he's the PayPal guy right? Daniel: Yeah, it's actually very good one. I should mention that it's one of the, it's one of the PayPal mafia, know, if you see, know, because basically, you know, the book is talking about, I remember well, how to build a staff or something that didn't exist before, you know, like you are again, thinking about the books curious, you see, you know, the questions, okay, you are positive, okay, they are linked to others and how. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yes, the PayPal Mafia. So more on the ocean, maybe ocean, blue ocean strategy, I think that's the one, right? It's a blue ocean strategy. Yeah, so if you had to bet on one AI trend that will be massive in three years, what is it? Daniel: Exactly, exactly, very good one. know, agents collaborating with humans, you know, inside organization. I mean, what I say is like, they are no tools anymore. It's back, as I said, you know, with the Salesforce, you know, CEO, co-founder, you know, will be coworkers, will be, I mean, will be, I mean, they won't have a salary thing, but will be a coworker, okay? Will be somebody to take into consideration somehow the head count of the company. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, my last question. What does 10x mean to you personally? Daniel: I mean, means the problem and not improving the solution is what I would say. ⁓ Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, yeah, I understand that. That's very good. Daniel: Do you know what I mean? It's like, OK, just go and extra mile, know, you know, rethinking the problem itself because you improve the solution, but you can give it another turn, OK, and go further on. This is what I want. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yes. Yes, alright, it's very good closing remark. ⁓ then thank you very much for that, you know, Rapid 10x. And then ⁓ we end, where can people connect with you or learn more about your work? Daniel: thank you very much. Thank you for that. mean, my LinkedIn is open. It's open for everyone. Daniel Rodriguez Miguel. You can find my name and two family names. And I am not the kind of person I am, you putting a kind of block. ⁓ I always open to have a conversation, insightful discussions, and then, you know, feel free. I am also on Twitter, X panmosleon on LinkedIn. Okay. And, know, feel free to reach out. Okay. You want to discuss with me something, you know, specifically. ⁓ I'm happy to do so. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, all right. Thank you very much for that very fruitful and very insightful and enjoyable conversation with you. And for all the viewers and listeners, thank you for watching again 10xAI. Remember, the future doesn't belong to AI. It belongs to the people who use it. See you next episode. Daniel: Yes.