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Does AI Have a Place in Home Education? Streamlining, Creativity & Critical Thinking in the Digital Age · The BIG Home Ed Conversations | Home Education

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Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of the big home
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Ed conversations. You're here, as always with
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myself, Kelly Rig. I'm a home Ed mom of two and
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founder of off roading motherhood.
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I'm a qualified mindset coach and I've got a real passion for
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working with home eds and sort of no divergent families as well
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as they kind of navigate the transition to home education.
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And I'm joined by my good friend Ashley Venario.
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So she is over in the sunny Italy at the moment, but too
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sunny. I think she's also a fellow home
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educating mom of three and an ex primary teacher.
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So we, we started this podcast with the sole aim of busting
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past the myths. We're sick of talking about
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them. We want to talk to you about the
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stuff that actually matters to home educating parents.
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So we get into this nitty gritty, the stuff beyond that.
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Are they socialized and do they do they need their hand holding?
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But when it comes to GCS ES, no, no, they're still going to be
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great. They're going to be amazing
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kids. And we all know that now.
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So we literally, we'd find ourselves sat around a coffee
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table having a cup of coffee, having these intense
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conversations, supporting each other to overcome all these
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amazing mindset shifts. And actually, we thought,
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honestly, we should turn this into a podcast.
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And we found out something very exciting this week that we are
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in the top three home educating podcasts in the world.
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We've checked it on all the different places to see if we
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definitely rank that high everywhere.
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And actually, when you look at the top three, the other two in
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the top three aren't currently active.
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So that essentially makes us the the number one podcast that is
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active on the platform for home education anywhere in the world
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right now. And that honestly has just
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filled our hearts with the most insane excitement.
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So thank you so much to every single one of you, TuneIn every
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week who are sharing it, who are rating us, who are coming and
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Come and join in with the conversations.
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We are polling you at the moment.
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We're trying to find out as well what you guys want to hear
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about. We've got some great plans for
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season 4, which will start in sort of September time.
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We've got some incredible interviews lining up and, and
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things that we want to talk about, but we want to know what
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you want to know about. We obviously produced these
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podcasts based on what we witnessed of conversations
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happening in our local community and the things that people care
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about. But we want to know what you
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want to know about. So please do reach out.
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So this week we want to talk to you about AI.
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Oh my goodness, honestly, ChatGPT has taken the world by
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storm. Whether you love it or you hate
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it, I think it is the most incredible platform for home
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educators. Let's be honest, there can be an
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awful lot of busy work associated with home education.
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Your brain is whirring constantly with what to do with
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them next, what they might enjoy, what kind of projects
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they might have fun doing, how to engage, send children, all of
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the different things. Right?
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And I think I initially found AI bit stressful because prompting
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it is hard work and sometimes you don't always get it right.
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And it comes up with a lot of nonsense.
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It's like this is a waste of time.
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But actually now I understand more about how much information
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to give it, etcetera. You can actually get some real
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gold out of it. And we wanted to chat to you
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today about streamlining your home education a little bit by
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including some of these AI practices in it.
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And we hope that it will be really helpful.
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But with no further ado, I suppose we need to get into our
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gratitude. Ashley, are you grateful for the
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42° that you've been experiencing this week?
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Gosh, it is so hot here in Italy and I'm in northern Italy, so I
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feel there are people suffering more than me.
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It's been hot. So I definitely am grateful for
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air conditioning, of which I have none right now.
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So I'm appreciative of our time in Florida where we did have
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that. I don't.
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Think it was even that hot in Florida, was it?
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No, no, no, no. It's just a different kind of
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heat. And we were right by the ocean,
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which always changes things. You know, you just have a
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constant breeze and it's definitely a bit cooler.
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Here it is. We are just in the middle of the
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country and is scorching. So next week we're going down to
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Tuscany, not quite by the water, though, and it will be even
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hotter down there. So I got a request this morning
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from my husband to buy one of those fans that go on your neck.
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And I've seen like waiters or servers, I should say, in the
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restaurants down in Tuscany last time we were there wearing them.
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And I'm like, that is a great idea and I think it will help.
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So that's my goal is to go get some of those.
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I'll see if I. Can get like T-shirts with them
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built in now as well, or like cooling T-shirts.
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I've got like liquids that's like pumping through little tiny
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tubes through the T-shirts, like keep your body cool.
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My gosh. But yes, there's, there's
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definitely some stuff out there. So do you, do you do some like
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emergency Amazon buying? Basically at this point, it's
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like we need to survive. Like we're not going to make it.
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I honestly don't even know how you're coping.
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I could, I don't think I would actually tolerate 42°.
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I think I might literally just be lying in a pool of my own
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sadness somewhere. But yeah.
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I'm doing that too, Bless. You well, I think, oh good wise
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this week I'm trying to think what's going on.
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I feel like my brain has been in one of those incredible
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generating modes and I am really grateful for me.
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My ADHD isms aren't always in my opinion, a pleasure, but there
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is one thing about me that I really, really love and that is
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my idea generating capabilities and I have been having some
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incredible ideas this week. Some of it's like it's, I think
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there was someone who said on a podcast, I was listening to you
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recently about how sometimes you can feel this real, like, oh,
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lethargy, can't really be bothered.
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Like actually, I don't really want to do something.
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But they were saying that they had like an interview coming up
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with someone that they were really looking forward to.
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But that day they woke up and they were really tired.
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They didn't really want to do it.
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They felt really lowering in energy.
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They did the interview anyway because they really like they
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needed to get it done. And actually it massively picked
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their energy up. And I think that what I have
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realized in me is that I need inspiration.
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All the while I have something which I'm feeling inspired
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about. My energy levels can be really
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high. If I'm feeling bored or sluggish
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or I haven't got a lot going on, my energy levels slowly come
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right down and then I feel really sad and rubbish.
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And then if unless I can pick up some inspiration from summer, I
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really can't get going again. And I've had two, two or three
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things happen in the past couple of weeks that have helped me to
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really pick up my inspiration. 1 is a sort of a not so nice thing
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that's made me think a lot more about embracing my life and
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grasping it right now. And another is like my son
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deciding that he goes, I think I'm getting a bit bored of the
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ocean topic now. It's like, yeah, do you know
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what? It has tailed off a bit.
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I think we have kind of reached our, like, limits of interest
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and said, what do you want to do next?
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And he goes the Amazon rainforest and just like, Oh my
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God, what a great topic. Like, yes, great, let's jump
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straight into that one. So that I'm kind of like, now my
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brain's starting to percolate on what we're doing next.
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And so I think I've had a couple of like business ideas and that
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as well. Like I'm an entrepreneurial
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spirit. I do come up with ideas all the
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time, but I've, I've found a company, there's a home
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educating family who welds school, who are doing these
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amazing pop up hubs and you can kind of work with them and list,
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you can generate a pop up hub that's like 1 of theirs.
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You can like host 1 and you get a share in the Commission from
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it and all the rest of it. And I'm just like, actually that
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sounds like a great idea. So I think I might be trying to
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plan one for the UK for next year.
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So watch this space. Anybody who's abroad who maybe
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wants to come meet me, I might actually plan one for like
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Dorset or down by Stonehenge or somewhere really cool.
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So we've got those really exciting things to go visit and
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you guys can all come and actually we might do like a big
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home Ed world schooling pop up hub and you can come and come
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and meet us and come and see us if you're listeners, which would
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be really awesome. So yes, I've got all all these
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incredible ideas and like, I don't even know when I'm
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supposed to have the time to make them.
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So I guess that brings us quite neatly on to the concept of AI,
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to be honest, because I think that is such a common day-to-day
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problem, isn't it, that we find ourselves wishing we could do
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more, but actually not having the time.
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And like, I go to write an e-mail and I just find myself
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thinking, I know, I know what I need to say, but like, Oh my
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God, I would type it all out and I've got to try and rephrase it
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and I've got to make sure it sounds professional.
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And do I need to think about this?
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What else do I need to say to convince them or whatever.
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So like, for example, sort of sending an e-mail trying to get
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somebody on for an interview who's quite high profile this
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week. And I was like, I don't even
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know what to say. Like I'm emailing a media team.
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Like, what do you actually say to a media team when you're not
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just speaking to the person and asking them if they fancy doing
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it? And so I just, you just go into
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ChatGPT and you say, I am writing this e-mail.
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It needs to be professional. It's about this podcast.
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Please go and have a look at the podcast and see what we do and
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what our ethos is. Please help to demonstrate to
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them that this is, this is what we do and this is what we want.
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And produce me an e-mail. And you give it, you do have to
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give it parameters and prompts and, and like, make sure you're
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thinking about the tone you want it to have and like any, any
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important statistics you want it to include or whatever.
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But ultimately it wrote me blooming good e-mail that will
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probably never get read, but let's be honest, it's worth a
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try. And it was.
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I obviously then just went through it and just edited it
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and added some thoughts myself and just humanised it a little
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bit more. But you can, you can teach it to
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write like you. You can give it examples of your
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writing and ask it to write like you and all sorts.
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So I have definitely reached the point now where I think I reach
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for AII don't even know how many times a day, like at least three
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to five times a day probably for my business, for my home ads,
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for my personal life, for my therapy, for behavioural issues,
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for missteps in social norms and communication.
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When you get something wrong with my kids or make a joke they
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don't like or whatever. Like there are so many uses.
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And honestly, it's the platform has been generated with a really
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strong neuroaffirming, gender affirming, respectful tone.
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So actually it gives really good advice as well.
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So I guess what I wanted to kind of get into today was some of
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the ways that we've used it for home education, especially how
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to get the best out of it and ultimately having some fun with
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it too, like actually helping your kids to Start learning how
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to use it. Because as much as we might not
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like it and as much as we might find ourselves worrying about
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the use of AI and education and how it essentially takes a lot
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of the thinking time out of it, which obviously does exercise
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our neuroplasticity. It helps us to actually learn
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how to do things. We don't want to constantly be
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cheating and not using our brain power, but but it does obviously
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help our kids to start to produce things that maybe they
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would struggle to do otherwise. Especially like my son hates
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writing for example, it's very difficult for him to get his
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ideas down on paper, but he's coming up with creative
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characters and stories and stuff all the time right now.
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And so having a bit of fun with AI and getting it to help him
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generate stories. It's just helping him to like
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bring to life things that he's thinking about and I think will
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inspire him to want to go and try and write a story to add to
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it and to adapt it and change it and all the rest of it.
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So there's there's so many cool things to do with it.
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So let's let's kind of like dig in right now.
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But how much are you using Ashley?
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Do you find you're using it a lot?
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I definitely use it less than you and I would say less than
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some of the people in our like immediate chat, home Ed mom
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group. So I feel like all of you
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inspire me to dive in a little deeper.
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But I have to say, like, it's, I think I come at it from a
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different perspective because I've read, I guess from an
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education perspective. So whereas I use it, my kids
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don't use it. And I have read just recently an
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article about AI use in like nursing school.
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And it was basically like, take care of yourself because the
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nurses are passing their exams with the help of AI, they're
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completing their homework and all of this with the help of AI.
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And so the question is like, are they going to be like pulling up
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AI when they're treating you in the hospital?
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Or at some point, will they actually learn this stuff
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themselves? And certainly this is not the
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case for everyone. This is just one very specific
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example that someone wrote about.
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But it was interesting. Yeah, it was very interesting.
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And I just thought like, OK. And then I am a like very like
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gracious reader, I guess I would say.
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And there is a lot of conflict in the author community right
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now around books being written with the help of AI.
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And so you'll find that a lot of the books being published now
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actually will have a note in the beginning that will say, this
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book was written 100% by me. 0 AI input, you know, and one
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author even joked like, I'm putting this here because I know
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I'll get asked, but yes, I wrote this book.
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No, I did not use AI. Now let's move on.
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And I can appreciate that because that's kind of what's
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happening now, right? Like, you get stuck.
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You have this idea for a book, you might say, here are my major
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plot points. I want it to be roughly 300
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pages. I want, you know this to I want
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an interesting interaction with the mom and dad about like lawn
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furniture. I don't know, you know, and you
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can kind of really get specific about what you want to see.
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And then they pull this thing together and they are finding,
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oh, gosh, it like kind of closely mimics this other story
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over here. And then authors are saying that
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was kind of taken from my book and like, so.
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So it's definitely for someone who's like, you know, reading a
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book a day essentially, like this is a very hot topic for me
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and something I never want my kids to even know is there until
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they're much older. Because I have a feeling with
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like the way that children are these days and wanting
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everything in the moment because that's how, you know, they don't
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watch commercials on TV. They don't have to wait for the
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show to air on Friday at 8:00 PM.
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They don't have to sit in the restaurant and be bored.
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They don't stare at water droplets on a window on the way
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to school on the school bus, right?
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They don't do that kind of stuff anymore.
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They are absolutely, 100% meeting their needs as they come
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up with 0 patience. This is just yes, and this is
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just my opinion. I'm not trying to say that
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anything people doing that is wrong and it's just and it's
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just the way it is. So if you even you know, was
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talking to someone yesterday about how when their daughters
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got cell phones and it's this thing where and she was like, we
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know that when they entered middle school.
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So 6th grade for most Americans, probably Year 5.
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No, you're 6, you're 7 here. What's What's middle school in
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Britain? And it goes from year three to
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year 6 and then year 7 is secondary. 7 is secondary.
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Okay, yeah, yeah. So that that year, so then year
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year 7, and it's not even because that's when she
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necessarily wanted her children to have phones, it's because
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that's when all the other kids got phones.
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So then your kid is left out. Your kid is not knowing where
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people are meeting up. Your kid is not knowing what's
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happening. Your kid isn't involved in even
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from a scholastic perspective, like, you know, quizzing each
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other on WhatsApp for the test tomorrow, right?
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That kind of stuff. So it's something that is, you
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know, the social pressure for children to have this
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information is very real. And so I just think that for my
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children, if they ever learned that, they could just, I mean,
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it's enough with Alexa in our house, if they ever learned
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that, they could actually have AI answer their homework
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questions. Not that they have homework, but
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you know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, they would 100% do
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that. So.
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Think what's what's interesting about this So like I love this
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actually, it's telling us to really, really great debate I
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think so with the concept of AI, I think this this comes down to
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like the generational kind of like each generation helps to
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archive and use information in a different way that allows people
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access to it, that allows them to learn and grow and to take on
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more information in different different forms.
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And I think that like in dozens of generations ago, obviously,
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who knows when the obviously libraries, libraries have been
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around in human existence for a very long time.
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We've started to put things into books.
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People put down their perspectives and ideas and
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concepts into books that people can read and process and
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understand and enjoy. And obviously if you needed to
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understand something, you went and found the book that would
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help you to have that information.
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Obviously the Internet came along and suddenly information
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is that much more easy to access.
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People are producing websites, they're uploading books and the
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contents and the concepts of books into websites and easily
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archivable like Wikipedia and other things.
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So like, instead of needing to go and find an encyclopedia that
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might have some outdated information in it from God knows
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what, now we've got a regularly updated Wikipedia of information
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and facts. And, and then obviously now,
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then you get the point of like, well, now everyone just Googles
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everything. So now everyone's stressed
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because they're Googling it. And that's obviously then
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they're able to then look through the websites and find
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some information and start to understand all of the different
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opinions and stuff that are there.
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Now, this is a point that I'll come back to in a second,
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actually, because that is important, this ability to form
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your own opinion and to have your own critical thoughts,
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which is a. Super.
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Important like you have got to keep this factor in mind because
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AI is essentially taking another step in the direction of
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archiving information. So AI is taking all the
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information that is possibly available to it and it's
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segmenting it, tagging it, sorting it, organizing it so
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that it can easily use your prompts to find that information
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and pull it forward. Now, that does take away an
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element of your research. And depending on the prompts
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you've given it and how much hope you give it, it will form
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its own opinion and then give you its opinion.
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And you have got to be really, really mindful of the fact that
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that AI is taking all of the information that it can possibly
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glean from the prompts that you have given it, which is it can
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only do so much. And then it's formed an opinion
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and then it's given it to you. Now when it comes to that, that
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can be exceptionally useful when you're just trying to find a
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quick answer to a question that that is a straight up factual
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answer. It can also be really helpful if
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you're asking it to kind of like offer you advice around
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behaviours and stuff like that. Like I found it being able to
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pull like obviously it's ideas. So people would have written
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blogs and books and papers and psychology things.
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And it's obviously able to access all of that information
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and digest it and understand it in a way that I will never be
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able to understand it. And is then able to pull all
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that information together and summarise it to me in a way that
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I can understand, which allows me to access it and use it.
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Now that speed of accessing the information, understanding it
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and using it allows me to problem solve and deal with it
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in the moment and crack on with it.
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So I think that's a really helpful thing that children,
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again, I do think that there are uses for children in this, that
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they would be able to kind of get a lot of information.
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Ask it to summarize it as if I'm a 10 year old person.
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Help me understand this better. Because like I'm like, I'm
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Googling it and I'm reading it and I'm trying to understand it
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and it's really not sinking in. It's taking ages and my brain
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can't process it. And yes, OK, they are picking up
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important bits of information, new vocabulary, new ideas, new
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concepts along the way. But that can also cause them to
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lose interest and to move on. Or maybe they won't get the
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actual answer they needed because they've searched and
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searched and searched, but they just can't find the exact right
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website, which we've all done before, right?
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Like, you've been searching through Google and you just
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can't find what you're looking for as you just kind of give up
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in the end. And just like, OK, never mind.
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But this obviously allows us to maybe not as a first choice, but
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is a tool that can be used to help us to reach the conclusion,
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to help us to actually get to the point of being able to get
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that information, to read it. Now, it doesn't mean that we're
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not then learning. It doesn't mean we're not then
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taking that information, using it, applying it and having fun
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with it and doing other things with it.
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But I think for sure, I definitely don't want my kids
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using it for literally answering every single question that they
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get in their heads. They definitely need to know.
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There are lots of other ways to find it.
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But I think the fear around, like, I can imagine, like when
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our generation was in school, parents probably freaking out
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about the Internet being like, oh, it's just going to be so
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instant for them. They're not going to have to put
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any effort into finding out any information that we used to have
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to go and find an encyclopedia. If it wasn't in your local
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library, then that was it. You didn't know.
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Like it's just like, like we just don't have this information
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at all. And they actually saw it as a
19:48
massive problem. Ultimately what it's actually
19:50
done is, yes, it does create problems.
19:52
Every solution creates a problem in its own right.
19:55
But ultimately it has opened people up to different career
19:58
options and travel and connection and relationships
20:01
with people across the world and learning that.
20:02
Different ideas and concepts and religions and places experience
20:06
things in different ways. And it actually helps us to get
20:08
a much wider understanding of each other.
20:11
So I think I'm finding myself feeling like it's, it's just
20:15
like the next generational panic, almost a little bit of
20:19
what's going to happen. And I think as long as people
20:22
use it respectfully, which let's face it, not everybody, well,
20:26
it's, it's OK. But AI is a big, there's a big
20:29
warning, warning to it because I think the plagiarism thing is a
20:32
really big issue. And it's something which is sad
20:35
in its own way that as well people will be producing things
20:37
and passing it off as real and written by a person.
20:41
And yes, it's, it's going to rely on human honesty or on them
20:45
putting some things in place that kind of ensure that people
20:49
know that it's generated with open AI.
20:51
Like maybe that's like they could connect to if that is
20:53
posted somewhere? Yeah, I think you're required to
20:57
share if you did use AI to help you from a book publishing
21:01
perspective, but I don't know about anything else that I could
21:04
also be wrong on that. But I do I do think I saw
21:07
somewhere that like they are requesting yeah, slash requiring
21:10
you to say AI help me do this. Yeah.
21:13
But I do think that there is just from A and and not that all
21:17
our kids are sitting here writing essays left and right,
21:19
but I think from a a reporting perspective, from that I do feel
21:24
like while while sure, there's always the next panic
21:27
Rock'n'roll, Nintendo, all this stuff, right, each generation
21:31
has its own own, you know, cross to bear with that.
21:34
But I think that from a curation perspective, if you're, whether
21:38
you're pulling resources from Google and having to go through
21:42
them and highlight the appropriate information that
21:44
you're, you're looking for and, and citing things that way, you
21:49
know, more digitally than you would if you had a physical book
21:52
at a library. And I definitely think, I mean,
21:56
I know my niece and nephews, they when they were in school
22:01
and, and writing reports and they were using the Internet and
22:03
I was like, we had to go to the library.
22:05
And like, this is so much easier.
22:06
And I can't believe, like, I couldn't, I could never do a
22:08
report at 10:00 PM because the library is closed.
22:11
So I had to plan and I had to go when it was open.
22:13
And my mom would drop me off on Sunday morning.
22:15
And, you know, like, all the drama of that.
22:17
And now it's at your fingertips. You can do it from, you know,
22:20
your laptop in your bed. Like, that's obviously super
22:22
frustrating for those of us that did it a different way.
22:24
But they're still curating the information.
22:27
Yeah. They're still deciding what is
22:29
right and there is nobody helping them form a sentence.
22:33
No, there is nobody helping them put the paragraph together or
22:36
decide, you know, is that a good topic sentence?
22:38
Am I relating back to my thesis? Like none of that is happening.
22:41
And so I do think that if you're, if you're using AI to
22:46
gather resources and say, you know, share with me the top 10
22:50
sites around bird migration, awesome.
22:53
But if you're using it to, you know, write me a good thesis
22:56
statement on why, yeah, then I think actually that terrifies me
22:59
because it's going to take away the children slash adults
23:03
ability to think for themselves and to develop like good
23:08
critical thinking skills because they're missing out on that
23:12
curation. And I'm sure it's a lot easier
23:17
and that's nice. But that's so that's where
23:20
really, really where I get held up.
23:21
But I think that that's, we're not really there yet.
23:24
Like, my, my kids are still younger.
23:26
That's not, they're not writing huge book reports.
23:30
They're not, you know, writing a big 20 page thesis.
23:35
Like nothing like that is happening yet.
23:36
So there's no like problem. Like I'm not holding back on
23:40
them at this point. But where I am using it is for
23:42
me. So I'm saying, OK, we're reading
23:46
this children's book about whales.
23:51
What are tell me about whale fall off or, you know, you know,
23:55
maybe put that in the perspective of a 10 year old or,
24:00
you know, you were talking about putting things at their level.
24:02
Tell me how the kidneys work in a way that 58 and 11 year old
24:07
would understand. What's a good craft that we
24:10
could do that would explain, demonstrate that, you know,
24:14
those kinds of things which I think are fantastic.
24:16
And I think to your point, if you're homeschooling or home
24:19
educating and you're not doing that, you're probably working
24:22
harder, not smarter, right? And so there are opportunities
24:25
for you to quickly get ideas. And I think that is absolutely
24:30
something that puts some time back on your calendar, which we
24:34
all need. And I think we're all at the
24:36
level as the home educating parents or responsible party to
24:41
really understand if what we're sharing with our kids is legit
24:44
or if we're, you know, giving them bogus information.
24:46
So I think that that is absolutely something that I do
24:51
and I think I know that I know you guys do it as well.
24:54
I'm glad you guys, I mean our friend moms that we're always
24:56
chatting about. Yeah, it's so interesting
24:59
because as we're talking about this and we're kind of like
25:01
mulling it over, I'm finding myself thinking.
25:03
So my main kind of focus in a lot of my coaching and
25:07
supporting people is in the art of slowing down and not making
25:11
it so that like. So for example, like washing
25:13
machines came along and took away our need to wash our own
25:17
clothes, which actually stopped women from coming together and
25:20
sitting together and talking and washing clothes together and
25:24
physically moving their bodies and staying fitter and healthier
25:27
and right, all the things, right.
25:28
So that's just one example of how solutions create their own
25:32
problems. So actually a lot of the, the
25:33
easefulness of taking care of like domestic duties inside your
25:38
own house stops us from going to these communal places where we'd
25:41
spend time together, where we'd work together, we'd support each
25:43
other. But you know what I mean?
25:44
Like it got rid of jobs, it got rid of opportunities.
25:47
And I'm listening to this and I'm thinking, obviously we're
25:51
worried about children using these for their, their
25:52
assignments and their, their things down the line because
25:54
it's going to stop them from thinking, it's going to stop
25:56
them processing. And there's a little tiny part
25:58
of me that's going, hmm, maybe I've already changed my mind
26:00
about how I feel about this. So like the concept of a home
26:03
educator, you've got lots of things that you need to plan.
26:06
So I use it for so listing the sorts of things I use it for.
26:10
When we start a topic, I might ask it to suggest some great
26:15
websites or YouTube videos or podcasts or something that we
26:19
could possibly listen to whilst we're doing it.
26:21
I might ask you to help me come up with some maths exercises or
26:24
like some fun creative ways to use maths so that that's kind of
26:29
more subtle that they might not realise we're doing it.
26:31
I might ask it to so say for example, we were doing magic
26:36
once and I said to it, we've been covering magic.
26:38
Can you suggest 10 activities that are in line with the key
26:42
Stage 1 curriculum that would cover off most of the learning
26:46
aims that would normally be considered important in a year
26:50
one classroom, whatever it was. And it came back and it
26:52
suggested a bunch of stuff and I'd pretty much done it already
26:54
and I was like, oh great, that sounds exciting.
26:57
So equally you could then give it all the stuff you've been
26:59
doing and you could say, have we covered off everything?
27:03
Like is there any gaps? Is there anything else I could
27:05
do? Equally, my favorite thing to
27:07
use it for with the kids at the moment is bedtime stories.
27:10
Now what we tend to do. So it started off when we were
27:13
at Center parks. We didn't have any books for
27:15
this, so I forgot to pack some bedtime stories and I just I
27:18
don't even know where the thought just sparked into my
27:20
head. Oh, I wonder if it could write
27:22
me a story for them. And so I got it to write me a
27:25
story about them at Center Parks Longley.
27:28
And like, can you write me a funny spare time story?
27:33
Like with sort of slapstick vibe because my kids love for like
27:36
poop and people falling over and stomach smacking them in the
27:38
face, that kind of stuff. It makes them cackle.
27:41
And it wrote us a story and the kids loved it.
27:43
It was so funny. And so then like the next night
27:45
we added a load more prompts. We added more information about
27:48
them as characters. We added their friends who were
27:50
we were with as well in their ages.
27:51
We told it that they were separate families, that they
27:54
were like siblings from each different family staying in
27:57
different lodges that like this is their favorite thing to do
28:01
that we wanted to include a mythological creature like that.
28:04
It had to be a mystery, that it had to be an adventure.
28:06
It honestly, it just if you keep adding different bits of
28:10
information in it then produced these like really hilarious
28:13
stories and it's just so creative and some of them are so
28:16
random and and strange and they don't actually always work out.
28:18
But it kind of got me thinking. And over the last few weeks
28:21
where we've been not doing ocean topics, I've been doing things
28:24
like, I think one of them, I said to it, can you write me an
28:27
adventure story about two people by children's names in a
28:31
submarine going down through the different levels of the ocean,
28:35
coming across creatures that live in those different type,
28:38
like layers of ocean. But don't tell us what they are.
28:41
I want you to describe them and be like, what is that?
28:45
And I can get my kids to say it's an octopus or it's a
28:48
dolphin or whatever. Like give me some like things
28:52
about features of them and behaviours so that they actually
28:55
can try and work out what they are.
28:57
And obviously it got harder and harder with some of the lower
28:58
levels, but it's like really weird.
29:00
Like it came up like a sea cucumber or something and none
29:02
of us had a clue what it was trying to get AT.
29:03
And it's like it obviously then had in brackets what the
29:05
creature was. Describe and you're like, well,
29:07
it's not that. Yeah.
29:09
Just like, I have no idea. So that was really, really cool
29:12
and the kids loved it. It was a really great story.
29:14
So I think we've used it to compound learning like whatever
29:16
we've been doing that day or experiencing that day.
29:18
So for example, we're going somewhere today that's kind of
29:21
quite history based. So I might this evening do one
29:23
to do with like Tudor times and all the rest of it.
29:25
So it's like actually it's, it's really exciting, kind of it
29:29
makes it really engaging. It helps some sort of like
29:32
social stories as well. So if you've got any kind of
29:33
sense stuff that you're dealing with that actually social
29:37
stories wise, it helps to produce really good social
29:38
stories. And you can kind of prompt it to
29:40
make sure it's like make sure there's no shame, there's no
29:42
guilt. There's like this is just really
29:45
normal. And like this is how we kind of
29:47
handle it. And we this sort of leads me
29:49
onto a funny story to be honest, because it did make me laugh.
29:51
So I was writing one for my son the other day about just just
29:54
making sure we are actively like using the toilet regularly
29:57
through the day because he tends to not want to go to the toilet
30:00
and he holds it for hours and hours and hours.
30:01
It's obviously not good for his body.
30:02
And it was it was a hilarious story about him riding his
30:07
dragon Blaze, who has been holding it in all day.
30:10
And then mid race, he just can't hold it anymore.
30:13
And it comes out and it who's all over the people below him
30:17
that are flying beneath him. And then they try and go down to
30:21
like finish, finish doing his business before he makes any
30:24
more mess. And then he falls in it and then
30:26
have to go in the river. Like it's like a whole thing.
30:29
And it's so funny. Like it was just like my son was
30:31
absolutely cackling listening to it.
30:32
And I was like, this is this is genuinely brilliant.
30:34
And then it said, do you want me to produce some illustrations
30:36
for you? And I was like, yeah, go on
30:38
then, like that sounds fun. Like, let's see what the
30:41
illustrations are. Now.
30:42
If you want to see the illustrations, just head over to
30:44
TikTok or Instagram. I have shared it was so funny
30:47
like the the images started out with the first picture was great
30:51
and then it just went so downhill from there.
30:53
I have no idea what it was thinking.
30:55
It completely lost track of the whole concept of the story.
30:57
It was just making up these really random images based on
31:00
like it's summary of what each page would have been about.
31:02
But obviously it just forgot that it was a storyline that
31:05
they actually went from like one thing to the next.
31:07
Like it was just like, oh, these are random trains now like train
31:11
Dragons flying through the air and like Oh my goodness.
31:13
Anyway I. Missed the Tank Engine in the
31:16
that. Was so like just like why got
31:18
like Thomas and Percy having a good old like splash around like
31:20
blaze the dragon turning to blaze the car like I don't even
31:23
know what it was thinking like it just literally lost the plot
31:26
and honestly it was so funny and I got me and my son were just
31:31
sat wetting ourselves laughing at it to be honest.
31:34
So it did give us a laugh, but it was not helpful in the
31:36
slices. So pitch assault with the
31:38
illustration side of things. Language is clearly it's saying
31:40
but yeah I just found myself like these things are really
31:43
helpful and they do help me to kind of re cement learning and
31:46
to come up with like moral stories like if you're dealing
31:49
with a behavioural issue or something.
31:50
So like we've been talking a lot about boundaries and about
31:53
making sure that you're kind of respecting people's boundaries.
31:57
And I, I did come up with a metaphor yesterday about kind of
31:59
a king with his city and his city has its rules and if people
32:02
abide by them, then everything's good.
32:03
But if people stop start misbehaving and like not doing
32:06
the things they're supposed to do, or people keep trying to
32:08
breach his walls, what's he going to do?
32:10
How's he going to react? Like, is he going to make his
32:13
walls taller? Is he going to put Archers on
32:14
the top? Is he going to close the gates?
32:16
Is he going to stop trusting people or is he going to start
32:18
retaliating? Like actually, we all have
32:19
boundaries. And the more people come in, I
32:22
thought, actually, this is going to go, this would be a great
32:23
story. I'm going to try and build a
32:26
social story around this to keep reinforcing it and to keep
32:29
telling them it. So that's one of the things
32:31
we've been using it for a lot lately.
32:33
And I think it's just a really engaging, fun way.
32:35
I mean, I've got quite young children, so 5:00 and 8:00.
32:37
So they, they do both still really enjoy a good bedtime
32:40
story and it, it just helps us to cover off things.
32:43
And actually I wanted a proper picture book and I found myself
32:46
saying to the day, can you recommend some like picture
32:50
books for this kind of age range that cover this already that I
32:56
can buy so that I've actually got like a nice proper printed
32:59
out book to go through with them as well.
33:00
And I think you can ask it for all sorts of things, like if
33:03
anything that you're trying to figure out.
33:06
Yeah. I mean, I've, I mean, I've
33:07
literally used it as my therapist and all sorts.
33:09
Really. Like if you're having a bad day
33:10
and you just need to talk it through with someone, it's it's
33:12
amazing how helpful it can be actually to just process your
33:17
thoughts and to work through whatever you're feeling as well
33:20
that if you, you had. Shared.
33:22
Yeah. You had shared the book idea
33:24
with me. I guess it was yesterday and I
33:26
just had never thought of that. So funny enough, this never
33:31
happens. But last night, after being at
33:33
camp all day, like this horse camp that my girls are going to,
33:35
we've had a lot of time apart and I've seen the need for
33:39
reconnection, but there's just not enough hours in the day once
33:42
they get home. And my youngest was asking me,
33:45
can you tell me a story about our cat?
33:47
And I was like, oh, OK. So I just thought she wanted me
33:50
to, like, retell a story of something he's done that's silly
33:52
in the past. So I like, remembered something
33:54
he did. It was like, no, no, no.
33:55
Like he doesn't have any friends.
33:57
And he is really sad. But then this other friend comes
34:00
over, this other cat and like, she kept adding like layers to
34:05
the story. And in the end she kind of told
34:08
her own story. But I as she was telling me, I
34:11
was like, oh. Oh my God, I'm going to tie this
34:12
into ChatGPT. Because Kelly just told me about
34:14
this. So as she's telling me these
34:16
parameters, I'm putting it in and I said, you know, create me
34:19
a story with including all of this.
34:21
And then the cat that was the friend ChatGPT named Luna, and
34:27
she was like, that's not the name is Belle.
34:29
And I was like, OK, rewrite the whole story the same as it is,
34:32
but change Luna to Belle. So then it regenerates it,
34:34
right? So I reread it and just like, it
34:36
says that our cat's eyes are blue, but they're actually
34:38
green. OK, Keep the whole story the
34:40
same, but change the cat's eyes to green.
34:42
OK. And then she was like, I
34:44
actually said that the cat friends get married at the end,
34:47
and you didn't include that. And I was kind of like, in my
34:49
mind, I did purposefully leave it out because I'm like, they
34:52
just met. Why are they getting married?
34:54
Like, this is not a moral lesson I'm trying to teach you.
34:56
Like it's not Cinderella, like hear people.
34:57
OK, so I'm like, please have Luna and our cat get married.
35:01
But after a while that they've gotten to know each other and
35:03
spend a lot of time together. Then it adds like this second.
35:07
And in the end it was a really sweet story.
35:10
So I like copying, you know, copied it and just pasted it
35:14
into my notes app on the phone so that I would have it because
35:18
I wasn't logged into like my proper ChatGPT.
35:20
I was just on like the public one on my phone.
35:22
So I didn't have my login to to maintain it.
35:25
And so I'm like, Oh, and if we want to read it later, I'll have
35:27
it. So at the end it was like, do
35:30
you want me to turn this into an audiobook, into a printed
35:33
storybook? Or would you like to add images?
35:35
And I was like, add the images because I was so curious what it
35:39
would come up with. And sadly, because I was on my
35:41
phone, it just like, we can't do that right now.
35:43
You have to log onto your PC. Rubbish.
35:47
I will be be putting that story into chat GPC and requesting
35:50
some images just to see what it comes up.
35:54
With what you could do as well off the back of it as well.
35:56
So one of the things which I'm planning on doing next time we
35:59
have a good one that he's had a go at writing with me.
36:02
You can ask it to make colouring pages for you.
36:03
So you can, you can ask it to create a colouring image with
36:06
this kind of thing happening in it.
36:08
So you can say like, can you do one of the two cats getting
36:10
married? Like print off me off a
36:12
colouring picture and then essentially you can then you can
36:15
illustrate the story with them. Like then they can like they can
36:18
even copy it out. Like they could do some writing
36:20
practice or whatever. And it's like you've helped them
36:22
to write it, you've helped them to put it together.
36:23
But now they've got something they can maybe copy or like,
36:25
yeah, it's, it's a great opportunity to kind of just be
36:28
creative and, and have fun with them and to generate something.
36:31
And it's, some of the stories are brilliant.
36:32
Like they really, it really is clever.
36:34
But I'm yeah, I'm sure it is pulling stuff from all sorts of
36:36
places. It shouldn't be really.
36:38
But it's, it's nice. Yeah.
36:41
And it's, I mean, it's even stuff like yesterday, buying new
36:44
shoes for the kids and like, oh, gosh, just like research,
36:48
research, research because I always seem to need to buy
36:50
different types of shoes. Like my son's feet grow so fast
36:52
and that he's now out of child sizes.
36:54
Like he's 8 years old. Shocking behaviour.
36:57
Shocking. And so I was trying to find like
37:00
adult men's versions of like the kids shoes that he likes.
37:03
And I was having a right job doing it.
37:04
And I was like, OK, again, ChatGPT, please.
37:06
I need like size, whatever shoes with like these are the features
37:11
that I needed to have. They need to be robust.
37:13
Like I mean seriously, he needs to climb, run like all terrain.
37:17
I don't want any like complaining like I don't want
37:20
them wearing through in 5 minutes or falling apart.
37:22
Like they need to have really good quality stitching,
37:24
etcetera, etcetera. Like please tell me where to go.
37:28
And it obviously suggested a bunch of different brands and
37:31
specific shoes within the brands that would meet the
37:34
requirements. And so I was able to then go and
37:37
actually find them. And it was correct in thinking
37:40
that all those issues would meet all the requirements, but they
37:41
were also like 150 lbs. So it's worth making sure you
37:45
have put your budget on as a prompt too.
37:48
Right. There's so like there's all
37:51
these things you kind of learn a little bit of something else
37:52
every time you use it. And like, I could have just
37:54
further refined it and said, OK, well, my budget's actually like,
37:57
I don't know, maximum 40 lbs for a pair of shoes.
38:00
Like he's going to literally destroy them no matter what kind
38:02
of shoes they are in approximately 2 minutes.
38:04
So I'm not spending too much money and that's already too
38:06
much money, but you know what I mean?
38:08
So yeah, you can, you can give it, you can refine it any way
38:10
you'd like. So I think one of the struggles
38:12
that I think people have, so I noticed there's been some
38:14
conversations about AI in our, in our community's chat group
38:17
recently. We've got like a WhatsApp of all
38:18
of our, so our home Ed family, as we call it.
38:21
And people have been talking about AI and they have been
38:23
saying that like more often than not, they find it really
38:25
frustrating because it doesn't always produce what they want it
38:28
to or it's not very accurate or whatever.
38:30
And the truth is that an AI will only be as accurate as the
38:33
prompts you give it. Now, if you think about the
38:37
information that you want from it as if it's a spreadsheet and
38:40
you think to yourself, well, what are the categories of
38:43
information that I need within that information?
38:45
So for example, say, say, take an example of wanting to contact
38:49
someone. You would need their name, maybe
38:52
their job title, the business they work for, the e-mail
38:56
address, like what sorts of things they're interested in,
39:00
what are their current initiatives.
39:01
Like say, I'd say this is for like a work thing.
39:03
Like what is the business's current initiatives and
39:05
missions? Like how am I going to ensure
39:08
that they understand me? So they need to know who my
39:10
business is. They need to know what we're
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doing right now, why it's relevant to them, and therefore
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why we should have this conversation.
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So if you think of that like a spreadsheet, you've got all
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these different like channels, it doesn't know that you want
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any of that included. So if you think of it in that
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kind of really structured way, so you want a learning.
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So you've got you want to cover the Amazon rainforest, you want
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to ensure that you are covering maths, English, science, art,
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design, computers, technology, music, etcetera.
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Please can you give me 5 activities that would cover off
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all of these things? Taking into mind like per title,
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so per like maths, English etcetera, want 5 activities for
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each. And I want you to factor in the
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fact that my children are both autistic and ADHD and therefore
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need to have a lot of activity, movement, sensory play, that one
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of them doesn't particularly enjoy crafts but the other one
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does. We might only have a variety of
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things. So like, I know it sounds like a
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lot, but you're going to be doing all this thinking anyway,
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right? So take a minute to actually lay
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it out really clearly. What is it that you want it to
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produce? What are your priorities and
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goals for this? And it will then produce you a
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plan. And then obviously just just go
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through it, add some stuff, refine it, talk to it.
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Sometimes I literally just copy and paste it out and then I just
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go and edit it somewhere. Like I don't spend ages
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necessarily going back and forth with it.
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Sometimes I do, but sometimes I'll just take it and go and
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then play with it myself. It just gives me a starting
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point. It just stops me from having to
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do all of the from basics thinking for myself.
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And ultimately, it just allows you to have the opportunity to
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take some of the time out of the task now, kind of swing back
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around briefly to the whole like slowing down and fast life and
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all the rest of it. This is not an opportunity to
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suddenly have to do loads more in your life.
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So I really want to stress that the use of this is not to
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suddenly give you loads of extra things that you're supposed to
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be doing with the kids and to set yourself a brand new
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schedule that utilizes every second of the day.
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Like use it how you like. If that's the kind of person you
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want to be, then great, go for it.
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But if you are trying to slow down and you're trying to be
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more intentional, then use this as an opportunity to be
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intentional. Use it as an opportunity to ask
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it to help you to slow down. Like this is what I typically do
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in my day. How can I better optimize it?
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How can I actually like have it stack some of this?
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Like is there anything that I'm doing separately that maybe we
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could do together? Like, for example, I tend to do
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quite a lot of my like, I'd say, I'd say I'm going to say
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lectures because it's a lecture, as in like a, a college lecture,
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like a, a conversation with the kids about a subject that I want
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to talk to them about, but I want them to stay with me and
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blooming. Well, listen, a 40 minute car
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journey, perfect opportunity to spend 1015 minutes of that car
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journey having a chat with them about something important.
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They can't run away. They are stuck with me.
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They're going to have to have this chat about boundaries right
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now. That's no, no choice.
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But you could ask it to help you have it stack your day a bit
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better. You could ask it to help you to
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put some plans and stuff in place of of things you could do
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like learning aims off the back of a day trip that you're going
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on. Like what could we do whilst
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we're there or what could we do when we get back to kind of
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reinforce the learning. But what I don't want you to do
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is to start thinking, right? Well, if I if I use this, then
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I've saved the two hours that I spend sitting and planning every
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half term. I don't have to do that anymore.
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So now I'm going to use that two hours to do something else and
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to add more in elsewhere. What we're trying to do here, we
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all have a hectic lifestyle. We're all running and racing
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from one thing to the next far too much.
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I want you to gift this to yourself.
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This is something which you're thinking, OK, do you know what?
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I haven't tried this very much. I'm going to give it a go.
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Please gift yourself the time back in the form of listening to
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a book with a coffee or going for a nice walk and chilling, or
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genuinely setting a timer for the three hours that you'd
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normally would have spent doing your planning and organising on
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a Sunday morning. And do it with ChatGPT.
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Get it done in 20 minutes, then put it down, and then use that
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over 2 hours to go and relax. Yeah, go and go watch a movie.
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Go, go relax and play with your children.
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Go and actually have that cup of coffee and put your feet up.
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Like please, please, please don't use this as an opportunity
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to suddenly like fill that time with other things.
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I know we've all got other things we could fill it with,
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but equally, if it allows you to get things, get more into your
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home. So I find that I have found in
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the past that I would feel like I was never quite on top of
43:33
things. I didn't feel particularly
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organized. I didn't feel like I had ideas.
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And sometimes like with again, ADHD brain, you do get quite
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exhausted and you can't be bothered to sit and think of
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something else to do. You get a bit stuck.
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You can't think of anything. And so this does help me.
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Sometimes I'm just like, OK, we're all bored.
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Like these are the resources I've got available to me.
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Can you suggest something fun that we can do that will still
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help us to learn something like don't even care what it is,
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suggest something and it will it will give me something to do
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that we'll all enjoy doing. So get creative with it, have a
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play with it. Ask you some questions, but
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think any question that you sit and Mull over on a regular
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basis. Anything that you're that you're
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worrying about meal planning, like how to talk to your mum
44:17
about struggles you've got with the kids behaviours and you want
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her to understand like how to talk to them in a different way
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to try and get more out of them. Like or anything that you are
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sitting, mulling over, worrying about thinking about is taking
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up your brain space. Try asking it, try having a
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conversation with it. And I promise you, you're going
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to be so surprised at how helpful it can be.
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But yeah, so I think that streamlining toe bed with a
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little bit of AI is not a bad thing, but definitely don't
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don't fully adopt the. This means we can go even
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faster. We can get even more done in our
44:47
day because yes, OK, maybe that's true, but actually we're
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not supposed to always be trying to make more happen.
44:52
Sometimes this is meant to be about simplifying a little bit,
44:55
AKA using the washing machine instead of having to lug your
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washing down to a communal place and sit for three hours
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scrubbing it with your own hands like we've we've gained some
45:02
time back. Don't just fill it with.
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Stuff that makes you miserable? Yes, very good point.
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All right, guys. So I think we'll wrap that one
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up there for now. Hopefully that's been helpful.
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Do reach out if you, if any of this wasn't clear and you want
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some more advice on how to make AI work for your business a
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little bit more than then do reach out to me.
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I'm more than happy to to talk you through it and to support
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you a bit more if you want me to do like a proper workshop on it
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or something I can do as well. So let me know if if you'd like
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that. All right, guys, have a
45:29
fantastic week. Take care.
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