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Morals, ethics, and the trouble with societal interpretation · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  We are faith and fury.
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  Love and fire.
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  This is the human equation where every voice counts and every truth cuts deep.
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  With your host, Joseph Pangaro.
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  Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the human equation.
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  With me, your host, Joe Pangaro.
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  So, what are we going to talk about today?
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  Well, there's a lot in the world that's happening.
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  We're seeing the war in Iran.
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  I don't know if it's a police action or war.
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  Our troops are over there fighting pretty hard to uh knock out everything Iranian.
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  I'm sitting here talking to you, enjoying a nice cup of coffee, nice uh warm coffee tonight.
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  We had a couple of very beautiful weather days here in New Jersey.
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  It's interesting because here it was like just a couple weeks ago.
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  We had so much snow we couldn't function here.
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  And then the last two days was in the 70s with beautiful sunshine.
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  I sat in my backyard and the the rays were beaten down on me, and it felt good.
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  This my skin was warm, uh the sun felt really great.
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  You started to see all of the spring things start to happen.
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  We start to have bulbs are starting to come up, and some vegetables, you know, the perennial vegetables that we have in the garden are starting to green up.
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  I have sage, and sage is coming back strong all by itself, comes back every year.
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  We're starting to see there's uh swamp maples, those are unique tree to the New Jersey area, I guess.
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  It's a maple tree that grows in freshwater swamps, and they're very big, they're like 60, 70 feet tall, beautiful leaves, but they put out buds in I don't know, sometimes in January you see them starting to fatten up.
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  And I was out there yesterday, and it was a very warm day yesterday, and I looked up and they went from these big fat red buds that were tiny to they're they're open, they're wide open, and there's all kinds of it's not quite a flower, but it is quite beautiful that it's opening up.
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  And the other thing that we have around here every year, and it's been something that's been part of my family for I don't know, 25, 30 years since we've been here at this house.
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  Not far from where we are.
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  We're located on a hill.
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  There's a like a hill at Terraced Hill, and there's three or four streets that go up the hill.
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  We're on the third one of the four, and down at the bottom, there is a naturally wooded area.
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  It's got to be I don't know, five, six hundred acres, and it's undeveloped.
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  It's it's got streams and creeks, and there's wild animals out there, there's deer things that you would not expect to see.
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  Fox, muskrats, you just name it.
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  It's it's it's really a beautiful ecosystem on the next block down from my house.
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  When I was a kid, uh it was the center of kid world around here.
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  Everybody we rode motorcycles, dirt bikes in the woods.
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  We had a track, we uh we hunted, we trapped, we fished, we had BB guns.
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  It was it was a wonderland out there.
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  We used to call it the Red Desert.
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  Now, why did we call it the Red Desert?
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  Well, interestingly enough, there were certain wide open areas that were not covered with uh, you know, it's pine and maple trees, and it's uh deciduous trees and and you know, shrubs, blueberries everywhere.
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  Absolutely gorgeous piece of uh fresh land, I mean wild land in the middle of uh you know our community here.
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  But the there was like this clay kind of a dirt in some of these wide open areas where we had motorcycles, and we made a dirt track, and you could, you know, it was pretty big.
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  It was the size of like three football fields, but the clay was like a red color.
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  And while there was grasses and plants and trees and everything everywhere, there was nothing growing in this area, and this red clay just stood out.
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  You went from like walking through the woods and you came out in a clearing, and here was this, you know, 300 by 100 um area that there was nothing growing, it was just this red clay.
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  There was a ridge uh to the left, a big ridge that went up about six or seven feet, and you know, we didn't know when we were kids, but the reality was on the other side of the ridge was like a swamp.
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  And there was, you know, creeks, flowing creeks, and water was uh had fish in it, had all kinds of you know, raccoons ate out.
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  It was just enough, it's amazing to this day, it's absolutely amazing, and nobody really goes back there anymore.
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  You know, there's uh there's buildings on on each side, and this piece of uh raw land, the red desert is just sitting there.
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  Um, and it's amazing.
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  So what we've learned as we became adults was that this area of clay uh is most likely a lake bed that was probably there I don't know, a couple thousand years ago, and it was the bottom of a lake and the water, the water table drained.
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  Now, when I was a kid, these streams and creeks went f in every direction from all over the woods from the pine areas, the deciduous trees, um, into a bigger water system where there were ponds, maybe 25 feet across, three, four feet deep, six feet deep in some areas, but there was a whole bunch of them, and then they had little leaders that came out of them, kind of like tributaries that come out of these little ponds that all met up together and they went into this swampy area which drained into uh the brackish part of one of the rivers here that flowed out into the ocean.
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  So it's all part of the water system that we've had around here, but it was called the Red Desert because of that red clay, and it was a wonderful place to to really grow up and we camped out there.
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  We it was just a wonderful wilderness, uh, right the next block down from our house, and it's pretty big.
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  It's a pretty big um area, swath of ground, and they haven't sold it.
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  They sold off one piece, probably I don't know, I'm gonna say probably 500 acres uh on the right-hand side of this piece of property, and they built a uh like a retirement community, but very high end.
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  You know, even talking 20 years ago when they built it, the houses then were 700,000.
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  So it's really very nice, and they took some of the natural topography of these creeks and they dug it out and they made some lakes.
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  Uh, you know, 20 feet deep, and they got fish in there, and it's for the residents to walk around and look at the water, really beautiful.
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  But in addition to the buds and the fruits and stuff starting to come alive here in New Jersey, there's something that's been part of our family here for longer than 25 years.
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  I mean, I've been here for um I don't know.
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  I grew up in the house.
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  I bought the house from my mom in 1990, so that's over 30 years, right?
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  That I've been here, and then I grew up here.
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  In the springtime, you could always tell we were getting close when the snow would melt, the weather would break, and then there would be a couple of warm days in the month of March.
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  And we had one or two warm days in the month of March on the evening of the second day, you would hear these little peep frogs, little peepers they're called.
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  And you would hear initially it sounded like one or two, and then sometimes you might hear like a whole bunch of them, and then it would be quiet.
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  But by the second day, the entire swamp was just singing this beautiful song.
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  And for me personally, I used to always see the sign of the coming summer and spring in the arrival of the peep frogs.
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  Because I used to say all the time, well, I can't imagine that God would let these peep frogs hatch and then kill them off with some horrible frost or whatever.
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  Now that doesn't mean over the years, and this has been my whole life, these I've been looking, listening to these frogs and loving it, and I put them on my calendar so that each year at the end of the year, uh come December, I have in the month of December written the day from the previous spring that the frogs appeared.
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  And then I moved that to the move it forward to the next year's calendar, so that I can anticipate it.
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  It's it's that important to me.
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  My kids all joke about it, and they say, Dad, is it frogs yet?
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  Is it frogs?
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  And I said, not yet, not yet.
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  And then we were coming up last week on the anniversary date from last year in um spring of 2025.
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  The frogs arrived on March 9th, which seemed to be pretty early because other previous dates were March 18th, March March 25th, things like that.
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  And we had just had this horrific winter here, you know, that a lot of the country suffered.
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  And we had two days of 70 degree weather, and I step outside and I hear the sound of the first peepers on March 9th this year.
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  So exactly one year to the day.
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  Uh the peepers arrived, and that's what I used to say.
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  I used to tell my kids I can't imagine God would kill them.
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  Now, doesn't mean over the years we didn't have another frost or
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  Or a little freeze on the pond.
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  But for the most part, it was always an indication to me that the heavy winter was probably over.
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  That even if we did get more snow, it would probably be very short-lived.
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  And you know, the frogs are out.
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  The buds are starting to come out.
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  The plants are starting to come back.
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  It's a sign of renewal.
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  It's a sign of understanding our place in God's world.
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  And that's how I look at it.
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  You know, the uh the skies are clearing up, and you have uh the clocks just change, so the sun doesn't even go down uh until after 7 o'clock, and we're gonna gain a couple minutes every day as we go forward that the sun will stay up longer and longer until it gets dark at 9 o'clock around here.
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  It's um it's really it's a wonderful time for nature and everything out there.
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  So I'm cleaning out the garden, I'm getting it ready.
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  I have a couple of raised beds, uh, and then we have some uh fence-line gardening that I like to do, and I'm looking forward to doing.
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  I didn't think I was going to.
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  Um after I lost my wife last summer, I lost Kathy in August, and the garden was something that we loved.
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  We loved the garden.
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  Uh she even liked the frogs, you know.
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  She thought it was funny that I put so much stock in these little peeper frogs.
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  But we loved our garden.
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  We we and every year, one of our big trips, uh, usually once the frost was over and the garden centers were open, sometime in May, we would do what we called a plant run.
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  You know, we would go to the garden center and we would pick out, you know, flowers for the flower pots, and we would pick out some plants, and maybe we wanted to add something.
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  So last year we added um a little blue spruce um round nest kind of a bush in us, so there's some blue in the in the garden.
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  But after I lost her, uh totally unexpectedly uh in August of last year, I I had my whole garden out there growing, and I just cut up, could not bring myself to go out there and lift one finger to do anything in that garden.
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  Um the first couple of months after I lost her or are a blur anyway.
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  But I know I didn't get around to like cleaning up the garden and shutting it down until almost November by the time I I had any impetus to get out there and do it.
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  I just it was hard to do something that her and I had done together.
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  It just felt really strange.
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  And we got through the holidays, I got through the holidays here, and now we turn the corner and we're working our way down, and I said to myself, you know what?
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  I'm not doing the garden this year.
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  I'm not I'm not gonna, you know, till the dirt and plant the seeds, and I just I can't bring myself to do it without Kathy being here with me.
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  I'm not gonna go on a plant run.
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  So I said, you know what?
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  We'll just go fallow ground this year.
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  I'll just uh sit on my deck and I'll open the pool so my grandchildren can come and swim in the pool.
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  I said, but other than that, I I have no desire to do anything out there.
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  It's really uh a strange uh effect of grief that it can hit you like that and take away the things that you really love and make them seem useless.
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  Like, why bother doing it, you know?
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  And that's how I felt until this past week.
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  You know, because it was cold, it was gray, it's rainy, it was snowy, it was miserable, it just feels nasty, right?
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  Like, why go out?
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  Why would I go on and go out there and then all of a sudden we had a couple of nice days that was you know in the in the 40s, they were no longer in the uh teens and 20s, it was in the 40s, which is a big difference, and we had a couple of blue sky days where all of a sudden, well, I could see the buds in the trees.
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  Uh they were fattening up.
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  I could see the uh uh daffodils starting to poke through the ground.
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  And I said, Well, you know, that's nice that spring is coming.
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  And we had these two days, and when the peepers popped, and they were out there singing.
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  It was, you know, singing the song of their people.
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  Well, that's singing the song of me and my people, and I had like a melted heart.
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  My heart melted, and I said, you know what, Kathy and I loved the garden so much, and we love getting our yard ready and and all those kind of things.
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  I said, Yeah, you know what?
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  Well, maybe I'll do one tomato bed.
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  And that's how it started a couple days ago.
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  I took I went out and I started raking, raking up some leaves and cleaning up a couple things.
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  Well, the last couple of days, the weather's been just so beautiful.
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  I'm out there in a t-shirt and uh ripping dead branches out of things, trimming the trees, trimming the bushes, and I'm prepping up that you know, we still have here in New Jersey, we have uh several more months before we can really do anything.
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  The last frost around here is sometime in May.
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  Um, so I can't really plant anything, but I've decided that I am gonna do the garden again.
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  I am gonna put the flower pots out.
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  I am gonna make the yard beautiful again, and I am gonna enjoy it because it's something that Kathy and I enjoyed together.
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  And I'm not gonna deny myself uh the beauty of seeing things grow and listening to those frogs and enjoying a nice uh we have a fire pit out there.
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  Enjoy a nice fire pit, an adult beverage, maybe a cigar, and enjoy the beauty of the uh of the outside world of God's world.
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  So it's just funny how things come upon you and change.
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  And I tell you know, I'm just bringing that up because I'm sitting here and I'm I was outside and I hear the peepers.
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  You know, they're out there peeping away, peeping away, even though the next couple of days it's supposed to get cloudy and gray and cold here again.
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  But right now it's not.
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  Right now it's quite beautiful, and I see the um hope spring eternal that you see out there.
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  You know, the skies are blue, there's some red tint in the distance, the peepers are out, and it's actually very lovely.
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  So I wish you all a very happy spring as we get closer and closer to Easter and the renewal of God's world.
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  It's all part of the renewal of spring and all that kind of thing.
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  And you know, I am feeling much better as we go forward.
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  I I miss my girl terribly, but we did enjoy the garden.
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  We did love the yard, so I'm gonna love it, and I'm gonna think about my cafe.
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  So that's what I'm gonna be doing out there.
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  Well, I enjoy my coffee.
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  So, what else has been going on?
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  Well, the war in Iran is moving on.
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  Um it's taken a little bit longer.
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  It's it we're only like 11 or 12 days in, though, and we have been air bombing um everything in that country.
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  And they are still hanging in, the uh the mullas are still hanging in.
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  They're still shooting off rockets, they're causing a rise in the gasoline prices because we can't get ships in and out of the Gulf and through the Straits of Hormuz because they might have some mines out there.
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  Um our troops are out there sinking every ship of theirs that they can find, and eventually it'll get open.
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  They they can't hold out forever.
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  Um, you know, I could see this go in a couple more weeks as we basically decimate everything that has to do with the uh IRGC or whatever they're called, the Iranian uh secret police.
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  Any regular police or army that's stay loyal to them are gonna get wiped out.
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  Um any of the troops that we can find, uh they're they're sinking the ships, they're blowing up the boats, they're they're really devastating everything of the Iranian um mullah regime, which is good.
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  That's uh that's what we need to do.
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  They are evil, they are very bad, they have brought pain and death and destruction to the Middle East and many parts of the world through their proxies for 46, 47 years.
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  That's a long time to put up with uh such an evil and and a set of bullies uh doing things.
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  So it's time to take them out.
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  And you know, uh watching the responses.
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  Why is it that our friends on the left, our Democrats just cannot ever find anything positive?
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  Gas went up from 225 uh to 362 in less than two weeks of Trump's war.
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  Well, it was up to five dollars a gallon under Joe Biden when he was doing nothing, and President Trump has made a decision that he's not gonna kick this danger down the road anymore.
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  He's not gonna allow the Iranians to develop nuclear weapons and leave it to the next president to figure out, well, you know what, I'm not gonna get involved in that.
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  You figure out how to keep them from blowing up an American city or uh attacking a European city or blowing up television, you figure it out.
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  I'm not gonna get involved in that.
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  I want my legacy.
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  Uh Trump has said no.
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  He said, I'm not gonna do that.
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  Uh now is the time to stop them before they can endanger all of us and our families and everybody, and therefore I don't like a war going on.
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  I don't like that fact that Americans have been killed and more probably will get killed.
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  Uh I don't like that any civilians are killed.
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  Nobody wants that to ever happen.
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  But at the same time, these people, these Iranian mullas and their regime, their government, they are they told our inspectors, our uh negotiators, just 10 or 11 days ago before this conflict started, that they had developed enough uranium that they could make 10 to 12 nuclear bombs.
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  That's what they told them going into the conversation, the negotiation about what they were gonna do.
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  We could make 10 or 12 bombs in a couple of weeks.
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  Well, if they can make 10 or 12 bombs in a couple of weeks, and what we've seen them do now by shooting missiles and drones and everything else against their uh neighboring countries.
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  And Israel and trying to do whatever they can.
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  If you don't see that if they had a nuclear weapon, they would certainly light one up.
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  It's very clear what they would do.
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  They've they've played their hand.
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  They're hanging on, and they're going to uh, you know, try and try and hang on and maintain uh their power.
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  Now, the Iranian people, uh, I think they want to take over their country, but the thing is they don't have any guns.
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  They don't have any weapons, and the uh the mullahs and the supporters of the mullahs, and there still are some, some radicals, they have all the guns and weapons.
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  They killed 30 to 40,000 civilians in the street for protesting.
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  And they said, you know, if you're out there protesting, trying to uh work with America, we're gonna kill you.
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  So what do you expect people to do?
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  Run into machine guns?
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  So what did Trump say?
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  He says, you know, stay safe, stay tight, get ready, because we're gonna keep hitting them harder and harder and harder till we finally uh have them step down, and then it's up to you.
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  You you people can then take over your country and hopefully make a good and decent place for you and your families to live in.
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  And how do you how do you disagree with that?
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  You know, how do you disagree?
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  But our friends on the left seem to disagree with everything.
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  Um doesn't matter what it is.
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  They they make things up, they lie, they twist the facts, uh it's absolutely horrible.
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  The things that they do.
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  They uh they have a vote out there.
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  Let's say what are the things they're on the wrong side of.
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  Um, should we have illegal immigrants in our country?
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  Yes or no?
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  They say yes.
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  Should we deport them?
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  They say no.
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  Um should we secure our elections to make sure they're safe and secure and that only American citizens vote?
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  Our Democrat friends say no, we're not going to do that.
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  Um let's ask a question in the, you know, in the State of the Union.
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  Uh please stand and let me know how you feel about this statement.
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  Um The first goal of government is to protect American citizens, not illegal aliens, and not one Democrat stands up.
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  How do they not stand up for that?
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  You know, the mother of murder victims.
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  Let's acknowledge her, and they wouldn't stand up.
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  So where where do you where do you see yourself in this?
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  How do you look in the mirror and get past your Trump derangement syndrome and say that, well, not standing for that mother of the murdered girl, arena, uh, was okay.
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  How do you say that not saying we should take care of American citizens first before illegal aliens?
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  Uh how do you not say that that's correct?
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  Right?
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  Should we take care of our veterans, our homeless veterans before we take care of illegal aliens that shouldn't be here in the first place?
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  You know, uh, how do we not crack down on criminals that are here and get them out of our country?
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  How do you say no?
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  We're not going to do that.
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  It's it's just amazing to me that this party, this Democrat Party has become I don't I don't know what they've become.
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  They are just anti-American, anti-Trump, uh, pro-socialist, pro-destruction of America.
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  I I I don't know how else to say it.
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  I tried to put myself in their place and say, gee, if I had to look in the mirror and say, would I stand for that for that mother to support that mother whose daughter was murdered for no reason whatsoever?
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  I said, yes.
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  Of course I would stand for her and applaud for her and let her know that we're here for her.
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  We support her.
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  Would I vote for making our elections secure?
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  To make sure that we use voter ID so that one person gets one vote and the person voting is actually an American.
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  I said, Yeah, of course I would vote for that.
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  Why would you not vote for that?
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  Um I support our troops that are out there putting their lives on the line and losing their lives in some cases.
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  And like I said, there could be more casualties.
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  Uh but these men and women are out there doing that so that you can live safe.
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  So I was talking to a young man the other day.
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  And you notice that I bring up these conversations, and I don't try, I don't like to use people's names, because I don't know if they want their opinion out there.
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  I don't know if they want people to be mad at them for their opinions, you know, right or left.
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  So I just trying to tell you a little bit who I talked to.
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  And I talked to this young man, and he said, you know what?
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  I'm kind of conservative.
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  I like Trump, everything he's doing, but I don't know if I'm for this war.
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  I think I think maybe he he bit off more than he can chew here that we should not have done this.
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  We should not have got involved in this.
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  And I said, Well, I can understand that.
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  Nobody wants to go to war.
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  Nobody wants our troops at war.
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  We weren't expecting it.
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  I said, but you know, here's the facts.
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  In another couple of weeks, they could add a nuclear bomb, and that will change the dynamics of the world all the way across the globe.
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  I said, and not only that, and I was I said, You have you have young children, don't you?
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  And he said he did.
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  He had two young young boys.
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  I said, Well, better that it's fought now with the brave men and women who are in our military than for your young boys to have to go fight it 15 years from now because we did not do the right thing and protect our country today.
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  And he was he was silent.
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  He didn't respond, and he thought about it, and he goes, you know, I never thought of it that way.
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  I didn't realize you're right.
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  Um, because if we kick this down the can, kick this can down the road, that's not gonna stop evil people from doing evil things.
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  It's just gonna change who has to fight and die for it.
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  He goes so selfishly, I don't want it to be my boys, but it may have to be because that's what every generation has had to stand up and do what they have to do for the country.
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  He goes, but I never thought about that.
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  And if we can wipe them out now before they have a nuclear bomb and drop it on New York City, then I think maybe I should rethink my position.
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  And I said, Well, I think you need to think about it some more.
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  You know, that's what it tells you.
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  There's more to think about than simply, you know, it's it's in it's not an easy topic.
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  It's not an easy thing to consider.
• 26:23
  All right.
• 26:24
  So I'm gonna get some more coffee and we'll be back and we will cover some more things.
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  I think I'm gonna talk about ethics in the modern world.
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  I like I just like a nice cup of coffee.
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  First thing in the morning, I like a nice cup of coffee, and then I like a nice cup of coffee in the evening.
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  Okay.
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  That was very loud.
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  Sorry I dropped that on the table.
• 30:55
  So politics aside, um, I want to talk about ethics because we are seeing some other things going on.
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  We're seeing the scandal in Minnesota with the um with the money that's been stolen from some social programs that they have out there.
• 31:16
  We're now seeing that in California, there's billions of dollars been stolen and squandered for some social programs.
• 31:24
  Um it kind of points up a question, you say to yourself, well, what how can people do something so horrifying?
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  How can you how can you take money like that?
• 31:38
  How can you steal?
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  You know, how can you steal so blatantly?
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  And I for me it's a foreign, it's a foreign concept.
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  I'm not saying I'm an angel, but I'm not a thief.
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  And I would not take something that doesn't belong to me.
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  I just wouldn't do it.
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  I wasn't raised that way.
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  You know, I don't look at something and oh, see a wallet in the street and go, ooh, look, there's a wallet, that's mine, I'm gonna take it, whatever's in there.
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  I would say, ooh, somebody lost their wallet, and if there's anything in it, let me find a way to get it back to them.
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  That's that's just what I would do.
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  That's what I've done my whole life.
• 32:16
  So when I think about ethics, um, you know, there's there's some interesting, there's some interesting ways to look at ethics.
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  So I think maybe I'll spend a little time on that to see what we can come up with here.
• 32:34
  All right.
• 32:35
  So ethical behavior.
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  It's about what we do when no one's looking.
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  I think that's really the um the essence of the whole thing.
• 32:47
  So before you you look at any topic, before you try and understand any topic, we have to do some definitions, right?
• 32:55
  You gotta know what you're talking about to make sure you are making sense that you know, words mean things, are you using the right words, the right phrases?
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  Does it mean something for you?
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  So here's some definitions, and you can follow along and tell me if you agree with them, or if you don't.
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  Um, but ethics, what are ethics?
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  Ethics are a system of moral principles.
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  They are rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human action or a particular group or culture.
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  So what I mean by that is if you think, you know, think about the medical uh profession.
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  Don't they have medical ethics?
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  Uh don't they swear to Hippocratic oath, or at least they used to, first do no harm, right?
• 33:42
  So we have to ask ourselves is the medical establishment today, do they hold to that adage, first do no harm, or have they become politicized?
• 33:52
  Don't tell me you forgot um COVID and uh all these uh admonitions that the uh the shot works.
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  If you take it, you'll be saving people.
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  You won't get you won't get the COVID, you won't die.
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  That really wasn't true.
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  It was an experimental vaccine that has killed people that has caused health uh problems.
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  So did medical ethics work out for us?
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  Did they first do no harm?
• 34:20
  How about another group of people that has specific ethics?
• 34:23
  How about the term business ethics?
• 34:27
  Right?
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  How do you feel about business people?
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  Are they ethical?
• 34:30
  Well, I know a lot of business people, lots and lots and lots of business people.
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  Some of them are very ethical, and they they would not do things inappropriately, no matter what.
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  They just they adhere to uh the principles of of being ethical when you conduct business.
• 34:48
  Uh and then I know other business people that would uh rob the I teeth out of your head if they had an opportunity.
• 34:54
  So do they follow the ethical uh underpinnings of what they're supposed to believe?
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  Um definition.
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  Uh it's it's a set of moral principles of an individual or also known as personal ethics.
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  What are your personal ethics?
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  Do you have personal ethics what you think is right and wrong?
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  Uh are you willing to do some things under certain circumstances and not do them under another?
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  Right?
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  And that leads to the fourth definition of ethics.
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  It's a branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human contact conduct with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and the goodness and badness of the motives and the ends of such actions.
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  So what does that mean?
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  Can somebody do something that is a right thing to do, but they do it for a bad motive.
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  Yes, absolutely.
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  People want to help the poor, but they figure, hey, there's profit in it.
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  And you know, I can scam the system a little, and yeah, I can help the poor a little, but I can also line my own pockets.
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  So it's right to help the poor, but it's certainly bad to take advantage of the system and steal, right?
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  So you shouldn't do that.
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  So it's a branch of philosophy dealing with rightness and wrongness of of any kind of a thing like that.
• 36:19
  And that's uh another one of our definitions.
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  Let me uh let me see a little bit more here as I get in here.
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  Uh basically ethics are the unwritten rules of society that tell us how we should behave, right?
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  Following moral, uh correct moral behavior.
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  So we haven't mentioned morals yet.
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  We talked about ethical behavior, doing what's right when no one's looking.
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  So we have to then understand what we're what we're dealing with.
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  Understanding ethical action.
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  Any conversation though that we have about ethical action.
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  Tries to pinpoint that that we try to pinpoint ethical behavior.
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  Let's let's define it down and talk about it.
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  It has some problems.
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  Number one, everyone has an opinion on what is ethical and what is not.
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  Some people would do some things that other people wouldn't do.
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  Right?
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  You probably know people like that.
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  Uh they could be family and friends.
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  You know, hey, they'll get over if they can, but hey, you know, it's uh it's okay.
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  Everybody gets over.
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  So this is just my turn.
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  I know a lot of people think like that.
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  All right, so everybody has an opinion on it, and and and all these opinions are different.
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  And this is where morality can then step in to play a to play some help with us to define ethical behavior.
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  That's what we want to do.
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  We want to define it, and maybe we need to stick some morality in there to help us kind of figure it out.
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  Right.
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  How does it happen?
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  It happens through conversation.
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  Right?
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  Don't we have to talk about these things?
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  That's why I'm bringing it up here on our show, so that we can have this discussion.
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  So you can have this discussion in your own head and then talk to people you know.
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  What is ethical and moral?
• 38:00
  Is it ethical and moral to wage this war in Iran?
• 38:05
  Is it ethical and moral that the people in our service today are gonna suffer and die so that we can prevent worse things happening down the road?
• 38:14
  Is that ethical and moral?
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  Is that something they sign up for to be uh part of our military that if we need them, they go do it and they'd accept whatever sacrifice there comes.
• 38:25
  Um isn't that kind of the compact that we kind of have with people?
• 38:29
  All right, so when we discuss the meanings and beliefs and we try to come to some agreement, um, which we believe we need to come on a large scale, wouldn't you think?
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  Right?
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  Because if if everybody has some different opinions about what's ethical, how do we come to something that's um gonna help us come to some conclusion?
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  So I guess we have to ask ourselves a question.
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  Where do morals come from?
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  Right?
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  Where do morals come from?
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  We know from religiosity, I love that word, religiosity.
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  We know from religiosity that religion gives us concepts of right and wrong, good and bad all the time.
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  That's that's one of the one of the tenets of religion.
• 39:15
  Uh I'm a Roman Catholic, and we think about Christians, and we have the Ten Commandments, right?
• 39:20
  Um our Jewish brothers had it.
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  Moses brought them down from the mountain from God.
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  And what are those basic tenets, right?
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  Thou shalt not murder, uh, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shall not uh bear false witness against your neighbor.
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  There's there's ten very good rules to live by.
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  If you took the religion out of it, they are still good rules to live by.
• 39:41
  Well, I was talking to a group of people uh the other day, and I said, um, is it right or wrong, good or bad to commit murder?
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  And they they thought about it.
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  You could see them.
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  They were searching their heads because they were confusing.
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  The question with the words that were being used.
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  And it's because we haven't defined it.
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  And here's where you'll see how I define things so that we know what we're talking about.
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  This is a good example.
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  To take a human life for any person to kill another person.
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  That is called a homicide.
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  Alright?
• 40:19
  It's the killing of a human being.
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  Murder is a specific killing for a specific reason.
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  It is the inappropriate taking of a person's life for some kind of a gain for yourself, for money, for relationship, you're killing someone inappropriately.
• 40:38
  And I say, Joe, inappropriate- what is the appropriate way?
• 40:41
  Well, what if you're in your house and somebody busts in and they want to rape and murder your family and you have the ability to protect yourself?
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  And they come at you and you use your weapon and you kill them.
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  Is that murder?
• 40:54
  No, it's not murder.
• 40:56
  Murder is inappropriately taking someone's life, taking a human life for a negative reason, right?
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  For for greed or for a relationship or something.
• 41:04
  If someone's trying to attack you and you protect yourself and you kill them in the process, that can be looked at as justifiable homicide.
• 41:13
  That is not murder, right?
• 41:14
  So the words are different.
• 41:15
  We have manslaughter.
• 41:17
  Manslaughter means you know the reckless or the careless actions that you took that led to the death of somebody.
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  You didn't intend to kill them, but they ended up dead.
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  That's manslaughter.
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  Alright?
• 41:28
  So in my book, The Investigation, where I teach how to conduct criminal investigations.
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  One of the first things I do is in the opening of the book is I go through all these different terms and words so that we understand them.
• 41:43
  Okay, so murder, what people were the reason they were shaking their head and scratching their head trying to figure it out is they were confusing the word murder, which has a specific meaning that we just went over, with the idea of a justifiable homicide.
• 41:58
  Totally different.
• 41:58
  Justifiable homicide is not murder, right?
• 42:01
  It's a homicide.
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  So as long as you kind of get where we're going there.
• 42:05
  So let's get back to our morals.
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  So where do our morals come from?
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  Well, morals come to us from four basic places.
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  Now we can come up at five, you can come up with six.
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  Here's the basic places I came up with.
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  They come from our family.
• 42:20
  You grow up and you're taught the morals of your family.
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  What does your family think is right and correct and proper way to conduct yourself when interacting with other people?
• 42:32
  Um that's one one good source, right?
• 42:34
  We grow up learning the morals of our family.
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  From our community.
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  Our community has standards of moral behavior, what is correct and what is not correct.
• 42:45
  The whole idea of having laws, the reason we had laws in our society, the reason Moses had laws from God, was so that people could interact with each other in the best possible way, without the strong killing the weak just because they wanted to, or just taking somebody's wife because they wanted them.
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  We agree to live under rules and laws so that we can live a good and decent life without being victimized because it is human nature to victimize people.
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  That is just the way it's always been, you know, where the strong make the rules, and the weak have to follow along.
• 43:21
  So morality comes from our families, comes from our community.
• 43:25
  What is it right to do in our community?
• 43:27
  So let's let's look at something that's in the news today.
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  Here you are in America, and say you have two children, a boy and a girl, and they're growing up and they get to be 17, 18, 19 years old, and your son is an athlete and he's a smart kid, and he's respectful and he goes to church, and you know, he always wants to do direct.
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  He helps old ladies across the street, all that kind of stuff.
• 43:51
  Your daughter, on the other hand, uh grows up, and she's a nice young lady.
• 43:55
  She's uh she's a good girl, she likes doing the right things, but she decides she wants to dress more provocatively, like her girlfriends.
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  She wants to dress with, you know, short skirts and low-cut tops, and this, and you don't approve of that.
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  You don't, that doesn't look right for for you.
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  I don't like, I don't like you out there bearing your body to the world, right?
• 44:14
  This is a uh a thing.
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  In our family, our morals are we don't do that.
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  We dress um, we dress more conservatively.
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  We don't we don't put on that kind of a show.
• 44:24
  And your daughter says, no, I'm gonna do it anyway.
• 44:26
  Matter of fact, I'm gonna go uh I'm gonna go work at uh the restaurant down the street and I'm gonna, you know, uh dance on a stripper pole, and I want to do it because that's what I want to do.
• 44:36
  You might be very, very upset with her for her choices.
• 44:39
  Um are you gonna go and kill her because she's brought shame on your family?
• 44:46
  You know, somebody says to you, hey Harry, is that your daughter down at the bar on the stripper pole?
• 44:51
  That doesn't look good, man.
• 44:52
  I I didn't know your daughter would do that.
• 44:54
  Now I'm not just picking on women here, so you people sitting there eating crayons, you know, losing your minds.
• 44:59
  I'm making a uh an example here that we can understand, as you'll see as I keep going.
• 45:05
  So, no, you you wouldn't kill your daughter because she made choices that you don't agree with when it comes to her body, her the way she presents herself to the world.
• 45:14
  You might be disappointed, you might be embarrassed, you might be upset with her.
• 45:18
  It might be hard for you to interact because she's doing this and you don't think it's good, but you wouldn't kill her.
• 45:24
  Well, we have people that live in our country now that come from other parts of the world where their source of morality says that this girl, if their daughter does a thing like that, she has damaged their family, their reputation, and it's a moral thing to do to kill her because of what she has done, because of the shame she's brought on your family.
• 45:51
  They call them honor killings.
• 45:53
  We've had them here in America because we've had people who come here from different places that their morality in their community and their family and in their religion tells them that not only is that an okay thing to do, it's the right thing to do.
• 46:09
  Right?
• 46:10
  So we get our sense of morality from family, community, our religious uh backgrounds, and we also get them from work, where we work.
• 46:19
  Doesn't your company have a set of moral components of how they do business, how they provide a service, how they treat their employees, right?
• 46:30
  So we we get them from these four basic sources, and then we go from there to refine them, mix them, or whatever.
• 46:38
  But I guess the question that I'd have to ask is say, since since our morals come from our families, our community, our religion, and our work, is everyone's morals the same?
• 46:51
  Are all of our morals the same?
• 46:54
  I think clearly not.
• 46:56
  I just talked about people that believe in honor killings and they think it's the right thing to do, and then other people who do not think that's right, but they both believe it's moral, right?
• 47:06
  And this is where we have this conflict, and we have to work through this so that we can agree on how we're going to live.
• 47:13
  Here in America, we go by the rule of law.
• 47:16
  We don't go by religious rules and laws, we go by the rule of law that is supposed to cover everyone.
• 47:22
  And that is uh an agreed upon set of rules and laws.
• 47:26
  You don't break into someone's house and steal their stuff.
• 47:30
  You don't uh rape someone who doesn't want to have engaged with you with sexual activity.
• 47:35
  You don't force it on them, you don't kill someone because you want their car.
• 47:39
  These are things we have agreed on.
• 47:41
  So if our morals come from different places and there's different interpretations of them, um, we can say, no, they're not all the same.
• 47:50
  So we come up with a a common group of understanding so that we can live together.
• 47:57
  That's the right way to do it.
• 47:58
  Um so we we could go through what are some what are some of the differences, but I'm not gonna go over that here.
• 48:04
  So let's say, do we have boundaries?
• 48:07
  Do we set boundaries?
• 48:08
  I guess that's what we'd be talking about.
• 48:10
  That, yeah, you can come over here and you can be angry with your daughter because she's doing something you don't you think is is not good for your family or good for her, but you can't kill her.
• 48:19
  You're not allowed to kill your daughter because she uh she damaged the honor of your family.
• 48:25
  We don't believe in that, so that's that's an American moral, right?
• 48:29
  That we stick by.
• 48:30
  Um, but we have boundaries.
• 48:32
  I think we do have boundaries, uh, and that's important for us to have boundaries.
• 48:37
  Uh let's say, have you ever had a party at your house?
• 48:41
  Have you ever had a had a party at your house and you're gonna invite some friends over?
• 48:45
  These are good friends.
• 48:46
  Let's say these are good friends, people you see all the time, people you really like, you know, they're they're they've been with you for a long time, you trust them, it's all good, and you invite them to your house.
• 48:58
  Where are they allowed to go in your house without any objection from you whatsoever?
• 49:04
  Say you have a two-story home and bedrooms and bathroom on the f on the top floor and down at the bottom is the kitchen, the living room, a bathroom, your backyard, you have access to the swimming pool, that kind of thing.
• 49:16
  Where are your friends who attend your party allowed to go without any problem?
• 49:21
  Well, I think most people would say, well, of course they can use the bathroom, right?
• 49:24
  They can use my bathroom, they can come in my kitchen and go in my refrigerator and get something to eat or drink.
• 49:29
  They're at my house, they're my friends.
• 49:31
  They could sit in my living room and put on the game, or they could watch whatever.
• 49:36
  Um I have no problem with that whatsoever.
• 49:39
  So here you are having this party.
• 49:40
  How would you feel if one of your friends you say, well no, where's Harry?
• 49:46
  I can't find Harry, and you go upstairs, and there's Harry in your bedroom, in your master bedroom that you share with your wife.
• 49:53
  And Harry's poking through your drawers.
• 49:55
  How would you feel about that?
• 49:56
  Not that he's stealing your jewelry, he's just up in your room.
• 49:59
  Wouldn't that feel
• 50:00
  Like a little bit of a violation that that's morally inappropriate to be in my bedroom.
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  You're welcome into my house, but what are you doing there?
• 50:09
  So we we do set boundaries for people in our lives because we want to make sure that we all follow some common rules of doing the right thing.
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  Alright?
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  So think about that.
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  What would you do?
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  What would you do?
• 50:23
  So back in the day, we used to have um big volleyball parties at my house.
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  We had a big piece of property at a house we were renting, and we built a volleyball court because we love volleyball, my wife and I.
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  And every Saturday and Sunday we would have 20, 25 people come, they would all bring food and drink and the kids and the kids would swim in the pool, and we would start playing volleyball at 10 or 11 o'clock in the morning, and we would play until it got dark.
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  You know, Saturday and Sunday.
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  It was just, it was wonderful for for a uh hot summer activity.
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  It was just we really all loved it.
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  We had good friends.
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  Um that was really a lot of fun.
• 51:01
  Um we do set boundaries.
• 51:04
  You know, we do set boundaries for these kind of things.
• 51:07
  There are friends, but we wouldn't expect people to end up walking around in our bedroom, right?
• 51:13
  So that's that's the kind of things that we're looking at.
• 51:16
  So that's what I'm talking about.
• 51:17
  So where do we go from there?
• 51:20
  Well, let me let me give you a quick example before we run out of time here, because this is a big topic.
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  Um I often do an ethics program for police and businesses and companies.
• 51:30
  And one of the questions that I ask them all the time, and I I tell them there is no trick question.
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  I don't ask trick questions.
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  Um I say, is it wrong to steal?
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  That's the question.
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  Is it wrong to steal?
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  And for the most part, almost everybody I've ever asked this question, they'll think about it, thinking it's a trick question of some kind.
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  And they'll say, well, yes, it is wrong to steal.
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  And I said, okay, well, raise your hand if you think it's wrong to steal.
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  So I can see in the room here, do I have to hide my wallet, right?
• 52:07
  That kind of thing.
• 52:07
  It's a I make a little joke.
• 52:10
  Um, and then I ask a second question.
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  And the purpose of the exercise is to point out how that the question we ask can be confusing and wrong.
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  So the first question is, is it wrong to steal?
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  So I'd ask all of you at home, is it wrong to steal?
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  I think most of you are raising your hand, and that's good.
• 52:29
  Then if I ask the next question, is it always wrong to steal?
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  Now, I can tell you what I what I see going on in the audience out there in the world in your car, in your home, in your backyard, wherever you are listening to us here.
• 52:44
  I can see some people's hand is going up than coming down, going sideways, coming down, going around, because you're not really sure.
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  You're thinking about it, and you're saying, If something's not right about that question, uh now go back to question one.
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  Is it wrong to steal?
• 52:56
  Yes.
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  Is it always wrong to steal?
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  Question two.
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  And people go, well, I guess it depends.
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  And this is where the exercise kind of points out.
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  The words that we use mean things, how we discuss things or whatever.
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  The the right answer to question number two, is it always wrong to steal?
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  Is yes.
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  It is always wrong to steal.
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  Taking something that doesn't belong to you is always wrong.
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  But the exercise demonstrates that the question is not appropriate.
• 53:26
  A better question would be to help people understand why their hand is going up and down and up and down, is to say, is it ever understandable that someone would steal?
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  And this is when you see everybody's hand go up, right?
• 53:40
  They all agree.
• 53:41
  Because what they were thinking in their head is that, well, yes, it's it's wrong to steal, but if I'm starving or my children are starving, I would do whatever I had to do to feed them, right?
• 53:53
  That's the morally correct thing to do.
• 53:55
  If I had to, you know, hunt, I'll hunt.
• 53:57
  If I have to steal, I'll steal to feed my kids.
• 53:59
  That's the right thing.
• 54:01
  And the reality is, from an ethical moral point of view, it is always wrong to steal.
• 54:08
  It is always wrong to steal, no matter what you're doing it for.
• 54:13
  But it is sometimes understandable that people would steal.
• 54:18
  Right?
• 54:18
  Uh, the example that I talk when I talk to cops, I say, so say you're on duty and you get called to the local convenience store, and the owner is standing there and and he's got this guy by the shoulder, and he says, This guy's been in my store three times this week stealing milk and bread, and I want him locked up.
• 54:34
  I want him charged for stealing from me.
• 54:36
  Okay, that's that's a crime, stealing milk and bread doesn't matter what you're stealing, it's still stealing.
• 54:41
  And then you talk to this young man, and he says, Hey, you see, you see that motel across the street, the cheap motel?
• 54:48
  I'm living there with my wife and my two kids, and I haven't had a job in three months, I can't find work, and my wife and children are hungry.
• 54:55
  So that's why I've been coming over here and stealing milk and bread.
• 54:59
  And I say, Okay, um, what are you going to do?
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  Now, almost every time most of the police officers say one of two things.
• 55:08
  Well, I would pay for his milk and bread, right?
• 55:10
  Because he's trying to take care of his kids.
• 55:12
  He's not really committing a crime, he's trying to take care of his kids.
• 55:15
  It's still stealing it.
• 55:16
  Stealing is always wrong.
• 55:18
  Uh, and then they also say, Well, I would talk to the manager and see if the manager could help him out or if there's any services the man could have.
• 55:25
  I say, okay, that's that's good.
• 55:27
  But your bright line of what's moral moved, didn't it?
• 55:30
  Because of the circumstance.
• 55:31
  I said, What if you got called next to the local liquor store and Bob the Rum Dum with five DWIs is stealing a bottle at Jack Daniels?
• 55:39
  You're gonna pay for his Jack Daniels?
• 55:40
  He's he's an alcoholic, he has a problem.
• 55:42
  And they all say, No, I wouldn't pay for that.
• 55:44
  Oh, would you talk to the owner about not charging them?
• 55:47
  No, I wouldn't.
• 55:48
  Why?
• 55:48
  Because he's making a different decision.
• 55:50
  I said, Well, he's stealing liquor, but he still has a problem, just like the man who can't feed his kids.
• 55:56
  I said, So the point is is that our moral compass is based on our experience and things we see right in front of us, and it changes depending on the circumstances.
• 56:06
  So this is just the beginning of our conversation.
• 56:08
  I think I'm gonna stay with this topic in the future and and flesh it out a little more.
• 56:14
  But I find that interesting, don't you?
• 56:16
  People would pay for the food for someone that they're stealing, uh, even though it's wrong for their kids because they understand that and they could put themselves in that position, but you wouldn't pay for the uh alcoholics alcohol who needs it probably just as much uh because of his sickness as the guy needs the bread for his family.
• 56:34
  But we see the world differently depending on the circumstances that we see and how we see things.
• 56:40
  But I think it's it's time in our country for a bigger conversation about ethics, morality, and doing the right thing because we are a mess in many, many different ways.
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  So keep that in mind here on the human equation.
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  What is your equation?
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  And we will see you soon.
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  Have a great day.