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76% of Americans Are Sick: Exposing Modern Medicine’s Blind Spots—and How to Finally Take Control of Your Healing | Dr. Chris Turnpaugh · Everyday Ancestral with James Barry

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  Welcome back to everyday ancestral of the podcast where ancient wisdom meets modern
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  healing, your food health, and human connection.
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  I'm your host James Berry.
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  True healing requires us to look beyond the surface and listen to the deeper story the
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  body is telling.
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  That embodies my next guest, Dr. Chris Turmpa, a leader in functional neurology and systems
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  based medicine.
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  In this episode, we explore what's broken in the modern medical model and what actually
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  works for people with complex chronic conditions.
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  This is a rich episode and I hope you enjoy it.
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  You really kind of bring a refreshing in my mind, different perspective than what we're experiencing
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  with the general medical industry and I'm really hoping in this episode that I can really
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  support our listeners in better understanding not only their body, but how to kind of
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  filter out all this noise.
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  You specialize in helping patients with mystery illnesses, for example, and Lyme and Mold
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  and Toxicity, MCAS, Long Hall infections, etc., but they're all skyrocketing, right?
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  But most doctors aren't even looking for these things when people go in.
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  So a lot of illnesses are just kind of continuing in people are kind of like trying everything.
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  It's like Russian roulette here and they're just trying to, everything they can.
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  And then only after a long time of spending their wills do they finally learn, oh, it's
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  probably something that Dr. Turmpa would have figured out within his first few sessions
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  with you.
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  But why is it like these are getting missed or dismissed even by mainstream medicine?
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  I think if we go back in time, the medical profession is excellent at single cause infections.
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  We go back decades and decades where you had like a single bacteria and that was infecting
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  you and overburning the immune system and we had a simple answer for it.
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  And part of it is we throw shade a lot of times on the medical profession, but they haven't
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  been trained really to understand these complex newer environmental, we'll call it environment
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  is, you know, what you're exposed to your thoughts, your chemicals, your foods, all that.
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  They haven't really been trained on that.
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  So it's kind of an unfair ask for them to understand those mechanisms that been trained
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  in it.
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  So they're good at treating symptoms.
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  So if you have pain, they're able to give you something for pain, but they're not really
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  trained to why do you have the pain or if you have something where you don't feel good
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  or multifaceted, multi system involvement, which is really how the body works, it's not
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  really isolated.
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  We're not just the sum of our parts and they're not really trained and they're really good
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  at the silos, right?
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  So you have the specialists that are good in neurology or nephrology or cardiology, but understanding
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  how we got to that point, they're great in their silos.
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  And that's a cute, it's really a cute care and they're great at a cute care, but they're
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  not really trained at this chronic, this chronic disease that we're seeing.
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  I think I saw a stat yesterday, 76, greater than 76% of Americans suffer from a chronic
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  disease or chronic illness.
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  So that's three out of every four people in America in a system that wasn't trained
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  for chronic disease and chronic illness.
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  So I want to be compassionate, it's an unfair ask of a profession that wasn't trained
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  to deal with the chronicity of the issues that we're having.
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  And I think that's a blind spot.
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  So when it gets to the houses on fire, they can bring the fire hose, but they're not
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  really good at, hey, your house is smoldering, something's going to happen, you're about
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  to fall off the cliff.
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  While I get frustrated and through 30 years, I've hopefully matured a little bit where
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  I used to be frustrated with the medical profession, now I'm compassionate, and they're
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  not the best at correcting the direction you're heading.
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  So where should someone go when something pops up, when a symptom pops up, because I
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  think that's really changed as well, like I think about my mom's generation.
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  They went to their doctor for everything, everything in anything.
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  And now what's happening is certain people are maintaining that mentality and then they
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  go to their doctor and then they're just getting provided a pharmaceutical for something
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  that probably didn't need it.
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  Well, I think that patients more than ever, unfortunately need to be their own advocates.
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  If the house is on fire, you need a fire truck.
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  And that unfortunately is the tipping point for many people to seek help or seek care.
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  And that's okay to bring the fire truck when the house is on fire, but to take responsibility
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  and accountability for our families or our loved ones or ourselves is a next step because
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  we're not just relying on somebody else to tell us what to do.
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  And that starts with asking the question of themselves and whomever they're seeing is
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  how did I get here and how do I not wind up here again?
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  So just really taking that leap forward and saying, you know, I had XYZ, you know, choose
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  something simple like my child gets stripped through it every year.
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  Okay, so they may need some pharmaceutical intervention for that strep throat, but then
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  asking the question, why is my son so compromised that they get strep throat every year?
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  That's going to be the illness of us or someone they seek out who is willing to ask that
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  question.
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  And that's probably not your standard alopathic doctor because they're doing their job
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  of well, I'm here to treat the acute problem.
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  I'm not really trained into how do I build this body to be healthier and long term.
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  And again, we're seeing that as evidence where I think it's one out of three child or
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  diabetics or prediabetic.
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  So if you're a prediabetic as a 14 year old, you really don't have a disease.
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  You have risk factors that are going to lead to diseases.
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  So if you go to a regular alopathic health care provider and say, hey, I'm at risk.
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  They're going to say, well, come back when your risk is really manifest.
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  And so they're not going to get into how do we get a population over the past 30 years
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  that went from healthy to unhealthy and how do we change that again, not to throw statistics
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  out, but eight out of every 10 children won't qualify for the military.
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  You know, we have one in three children or at least one in three children are prediabetic
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  or diabetics, 76% of the population has a chronic disease.
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  So this is a tipping point in health care in a system that hasn't been adequately, adequately
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  trained and how to deal with these problems.
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  So we're retrofitting, you know, patchwork and plugging holes in the dam and that's an
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  overwhelming ask to a health care profession that hasn't been equipped with these tools.
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  Where should people, though, start, you think?
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  I mean, obviously, it's hard to just say, well, only see a holistic practitioner because
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  that's obviously you can't just be black or what about because not everyone in every field
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  is equal and or thinking the same, but are there certain questions or certain qualities
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  that people should be looking for asking when they reach out for help?
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  First I would say, are you of the mindset as the patient to make change?
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  Are you willing to do the work that is required?
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  And we have been trained, like you said, your mother's generation was really trained to
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  go to the doctor to take a pill for an ill.
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  And the first thing is to say, am I willing to do the work that it takes to get healthy?
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  Before you seek out a provider who's going to give you advice about what to do.
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  And secondly, we have to be fair.
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  And there are so many people claiming to do this work because it's the Wild West.
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  There's really no governing board, if you will, of holistic or functional medicine or medicine
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  3.0 or whatever you want to call these terms, there's really no guidelines.
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  It's kind of buyer beware.
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  So I think it's really important to seek out someone who is compassionate.
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  It's very opportunistic in our world for people to pray on people that are suffering.
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  So somebody who has some training and some track record or has good reviews from other
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  patients who have sought them out, I think there's a lot of ways to do that.
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  I think just seeking somebody who has had some kind of training or is reputable or has
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  a good reputation, it's really hard to seek out someone because it's literally everywhere.
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  You could literally have no training and become famous on Instagram and people will seek
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  you out and spend tens of thousands of dollars and the only to find out that what was their
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  background?
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  What was their training?
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  And that becomes frustrating because that puts a black eye on our entire profession that
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  is trying to do this.
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  So it is a bit challenging and there's now more and more information coming out and it's
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  again, more and more incumbent upon the patient or the caregiver to seek out proper advice.
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  But there are certain foundations that are going to be universal to all patients suffering
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  from chronic disease.
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  We talk a lot about inflammation is at a core.
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  Lifestyle is at a core, finding somebody who's willing to listen to you and take inventory.
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  And I like to say we like to be learned at all rather than know it all.
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  So when a patient comes in, we have 20 providers and so other providers, I try to teach them.
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  It's okay to say, I'm going to figure this out even if I don't know today.
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  So someone that's willing to work for you, one of the things we say in the office is,
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  we work for you.
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  Like you're our boss, the patient is the boss and that's also lost in the allopathic model
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  is you listen to what you're told as opposed to, can we have a dialogue?
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  Can we actually talk about who I am as a person as a patient?
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  What I'm willing to do?
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  What I'm not willing to do?
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  Are there the different ways to get to the same point?
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  So seeking someone that's willing to have a relationship with you rather than a template
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  is this is how I treat everybody and so how does it make it really, you know, the buzz
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  is personalized lifestyle medicine and personalized lifestyle medicine starts with personalized.
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  So if somebody comes in and says, this is what we do with everybody, this is how we start.
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  Well, there are certain benefits to everybody can clean up their lifestyle,
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  everybody can exercise a little bit better, everybody can sleep a little bit better,
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  but how does that really fit in with you?
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  So someone that's willing to have a relationship with you and be compassionate with you,
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  I think is important and someone who's smart and educated but humble.
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  So the arrogance piece, they get a little bit of my bias in our profession.
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  The people that like, I am the greatest and I have it all figured out.
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  Those are the people I typically run from as opposed to, you know, I've been doing this
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  for a while.
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  I kind of know what I'm doing.
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  I'm willing to learn every day.
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  And more importantly, am I willing to individualize it to you?
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  So there's finding somebody that's compassionate, caring, smart and willing to have a relationship
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  with you and honor your wishes.
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  I think you're making a huge point, not a lot of people think about, but that the healing
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  begins when a patient feels heard.
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  That is a part of the healing process as well, not just you dispelling, you know, any,
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  you know, well, this is what I would recommend or this is what you should do based off of
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  the testings, like just hear the person out.
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  And I know that's what you guys do.
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  Yeah, it's so important.
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  For example, our first visit is really two visits, which are three hours, you know, an
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  hour with a certified health coach and two hours with a provider.
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  And that's super important.
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  We teach to providers, like advanced immunology, fancy shmanshi stuff.
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  And we talk about how you can change how the immune system functions just by caring.
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  Like that actually is not, I say it's not happy talk and psychobabble.
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  It really changes the immune system and they've documented this.
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  You can see how once, when your provider cares about you, it causes an immune shift.
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  And so if you go into somebody and they say, well, I'm just a technician and I'm going
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  to tighten this bulb and loosen that and open this valve.
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  And you don't get that caring piece.
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  You're missing the possibility to evoke a change in the immune system to help that patient
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  recover.
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  It's not that hard to care, it doesn't cost anything.
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  But it's so powerful for the healing process just to care.
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  What do you think the body remembers that the modern medical system forgets?
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  Then this is one I'm kind of more and more exploring as is more and more plant medicine
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  gets explored and talked about.
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  There's this concept that at least from this book, the cosmic serpent that this scientist
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  went into the rainforest, he was going to study something specific.
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  But then through meeting the shmans, he pivoted to researching the I wasca plant.
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  And the shmans talked about concepts that science had sort of engage on, but they use
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  different language and he was like, how do you know such sophisticated concepts?
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  And they said, well, the plant told us.
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  So I've been really curious to start exploring like, well, if a plant can hold knowledge,
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  then do our bodies hold that knowledge?
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  Does our body know what it needs and wants?
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  And I know there's different faiths that follow that concept.
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  Like Christian science does, there's many, Buddhism, I mean, many that follow that through
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  calming the body down, focusing inward, the answers on what's going on outwardly will come.
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  I think that that is very true.
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  And again, if we layer that on, the noise that we have.
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  So I would say that if someone was in the rainforest without distractions and in tune with themselves,
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  to get super spiritual, but if they're in tune with themselves, they would seek out.
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  And they'd be guided towards what might help them.
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  And then there's wisdom of generations past, which is why shaman or medicine healers,
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  you know, they have the wisdom we want to learn for previous generations.
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  But in today's modern society, there's so much noise that if your body says something
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  like, I need protein, it might be misinterpreted as I need food and that food might be a twinkie.
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  And so they're not able to hear the noise correctly because there's so much noise.
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  So your body is telling you that it needs something and it gets kind of translated by all
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  the modern noise.
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  I see it actually the noise gets cleared up more in my experience when women are pregnant
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  because women who are pregnant tend to have cravings that are appropriate for what their body needs.
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  So when they're hyper focused on, I have a child growing inside me with needs.
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  And I'm not thinking this to their forebrain, but they'll have cravings.
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  And those cravings actually mean something.
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  They're more apt to listen to them during pregnancy than when they're working a 12 hour day,
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  trying to get the kids out to school, not getting enough sleep.
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  That's what interferes with that message of what is actually my body telling me to do.
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  Very commonly we'll share with patients, if a dog is tired, what does it do?
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  It lays down and takes a nap.
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  If we're tired, what do we do?
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  We reach for some kind of stimulant like a cup of coffee or something like that.
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  It's true, too, if I'm in an environment which is unhealthy, and I'm a dog, I leave the environment.
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  And here we say, well, what pill can I take to make me feel better in that environment?
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  So with modern society, we've kind of moved away from listening to what our body is telling us,
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  what we call the innate intelligence, which is no.
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  Your body doesn't have to go to school to heal a cut.
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  Your body doesn't have to go to school to know how to do simple basic physiology.
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  And that message has been ingrained in us.
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  And we override it with modern society and all the background noise that fills what we're supposed to do.
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  It's so true.
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  It's funny, I think about water.
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  We grew up where we drank from the tap.
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  Well, that's how it was when we were younger.
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  And then I distinctly remember when bottled water came out and there was a transition period
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  at first where people were like, oh, that's just expensive water and there it's a trick and yada yada.
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  And then now, where to place where people are scared to drink anything but bottled water or filtered water.
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  And so in a sense, this marketing machine, this modern society,
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  it's not only controlling our choices, it's directing our choices,
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  but it's also instilling this kind of fear base of just being in sync with nature in many ways.
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  Well, a lot of these things are puttued by scientists,
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  such as pick on an easy one, earth thing or grounding.
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  Oh, that's crazy.
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  Is it because we've done it for thousands of years?
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  Like really, this is what our bodies have done.
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  Why is it crazy to think that my foot touching the earth is wacko when that's how we got where we are?
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  And how is it that I had a homostatic relationship with my environment for all this time?
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  And now we have to be afraid of it.
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  And there's some wisdom in that because we've destroyed a lot of our environment.
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  But simple concepts that really make sense if you boil them down to what's going on,
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  that aren't expensive, that you can do, which is how we survive the species for thousands of years.
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  And now we're told, well, that's crazy.
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  That's just crazy.
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  So if we can get back to listening to that inner voice, that innate intelligence,
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  and do what our bodies are listening to do without all the background noise, that's really the foundation.
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  So a foundation, again, is what is your environment?
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  And is your environment emotionally toxic?
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  Is your environment the number one environmental thing you can do other than breathe the air
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  is the food you put in your body?
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  So I think we have to start asking the questions, what am I exposing myself to?
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  You brought up mold and lime.
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  Those are exposures.
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  And they're traumatic exposures that the body has a difficult time with.
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  But the number one exposure we have is the air that we breathe.
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  And the second exposure we have is the food that we eat.
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  And we leap over those and look for what pill can I take for the symptom?
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  And that kind of goes back to what are you willing to do?
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  What steps are you willing to do to write this ship?
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  And if that ship went off course, I'd do this with patience.
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  If the ship goes off course at age four, and we're talking to you at age 44,
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  you're further from, it's a longer road to get back.
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  If you go off course at 44 and you come in at 44 and a half, you have less time to come
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  back.
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  So allowing the body to recover with the amount of time of the exposure insult is also important.
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  And giving the patient's permission to heal over a period of time.
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  So a phrase I use a lot is we have to be directly correct even if incomplete.
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  So if you're out here and we change direction, we're directly correct.
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  We're not complete until we get back on the road, but changing that direction.
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  And that comes with subtle changes, little pivot points, allowing the body of the time
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  to heal and giving the permission to the patient.
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  And being fair and honest with them, this isn't going to get better in two weeks.
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  This isn't like an antibiotic for strep throat.
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  This is a chronic insult that's taken a long time to get to this point.
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  And yes, we want to see objective data, blood work labs, things like that improve.
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  And subjective data, we want to see the patient improving, but laying it out honestly that
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  this is going to take some time and to get you back to writing the ship and addressing
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  how you got to this point and then reinstilling in the patient that when that background noise
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  is cleared up, those instincts are more accurate, you have a more accurate compass when
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  you can listen to what your body needs.
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  So yeah, there's a lot of concepts out there such as like, I should fast, I should eat
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  six times a day, I should do this, I should do that.
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  That's again, noise to the body telling it what to do is opposed to honoring the body
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  saying, well, let's get to the point where you can tell me what you're experiencing.
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  They're going to do it all the time.
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  They chew on the wall because they're mineral deficiencies.
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  So all your kids are eating everything, they're eating everything because instinctively
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  they haven't had that background noise for 40 years to tell them you shouldn't eat
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  pain off the wall, but what they're doing is they're craving minerals.
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  Pica in the south when they would eat like dirt pies because they needed the minerals,
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  that wasn't some medical research paper.
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  That was pregnant women craving minerals, so they would eat dirt pies.
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  It is.
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  It's really fascinating because a lot of times in the primal or carnivore or animal-based
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  communities, they'll compare the diet to, well, this is how an animal, a predator in the
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  wild would eat.
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  So they're comparing it.
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  But I look at my dog, for example, we feed her raw food.
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  But when she's out for a walk, she's looking for specific grasses to chew on.
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  She's searching for certain minerals and nutrients.
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  She sometimes does, like, they get the dirt and eat some of it.
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  What does that tell you then about the human body that in terms of what is our ideal diet?
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  The ideal diet is specific to the patient, right?
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  So it's not like there is an ideal diet.
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  There are certain generalizations, but an ideal diet is different when you're on the path,
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  an ideal diet is different when you're off the path.
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  So is your diet for recovery, is your diet for healing, is your diet for optimal performance
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  I think those are not all one and the same.
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  And I think, to your point, every vet knows them when your dog eats grass, there's something
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  going on, and usually the dog is fighting something or looking for something or trying
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  to heal something.
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  But that dog hasn't had all the background noise of, oh, run to the vet and take a pill.
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  It doesn't have that information.
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  So I would say to answer your question in a roundabout way, what's the ideal diet depends
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  on the patient?
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  Or I could generalize what's the ideal diet for a healthy person, what's the ideal diet
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  for a sick person, what's the ideal diet for someone from Scandinavia, what's the ideal
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  diet from someone from Africa?
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  I think there are differences and these different types of ancestral backgrounds have some commonalities
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  and have some differences.
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  We talk a lot about, for example, like lentils and things like that that are really from Africa
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  and they've incorporated into our diet.
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  And if you're from Scandinavia, and Sestrily haven't seen that for thousand years, so we
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  say, oh, these are good for you.
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  Are they good for everybody?
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  I think there are some common ground amongst all races and all backgrounds and all ancestry.
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  But I don't think I would be one that says, this is the optimal diet for everybody and
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  every condition.
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  I think there's times and places where you have additional needs for this type of protein
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  carbohydrate fat and that will vary based on who are you walking into my office?
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  So what's state of health are you in?
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  What's your body?
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  If you've been deficient in something for 25 years, you might have a different diet than
• 24:57
  somebody who has been somewhat optimal for 25 years.
• 25:01
  It all makes sense and yet it really is confusing when you lay it all out if you think about
• 25:07
  it because with globalization, with industrialization, we are exposed to, as you mentioned, foods
• 25:13
  from all over the world, out of season foods.
• 25:17
  And then technically my genes are, you know, I'm a white European mut, but I live in
• 25:22
  Massachusetts right now, right?
• 25:24
  So where do you recommend the person start with the idea that we are completely out of
• 25:32
  junction with probably how we should be eating ancestry?
• 25:37
  So where do we start in this current society?
• 25:41
  You know, I'm going to give you what I said I don't like, which is a template.
• 25:45
  I think it's important to get the concept of meats, fruits, and vegetables.
• 25:52
  If a patient is used to eating McDonald's three times a day, that is such a cognitive
• 25:57
  shift to say you're going to eat meat through some vegetables.
• 26:01
  I like to take it to the next level.
• 26:03
  Is it clean meats, fruits, and vegetables?
• 26:07
  Is it the meat you're eating?
• 26:09
  Are you eating grass fed organic, happy cows?
• 26:13
  Are you eating nose to tail?
• 26:15
  Are your fruits organic?
• 26:17
  Which front fruits are they if you're living in Massachusetts?
• 26:20
  Why would you be eating tropical fruit every day?
• 26:22
  That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
• 26:24
  I think that if you're eating a broad array of vegetables and bitter foods and quick diet
• 26:30
  tribe, I'll give you two concepts.
• 26:32
  We digest our meat first, right?
• 26:34
  So people say we should never eat a salad before we eat our meat, the order is backwards.
• 26:39
  We should be eating a salad at the end of the meal.
• 26:41
  If we go back 500 years, the salad was bitter.
• 26:46
  It was bitter leaf and bitter lettuce.
• 26:48
  So your salad is really getting your herbal bitters in, which jumps to the digestive
• 26:54
  process.
• 26:55
  But if you're eating iceberg lettuce with some high sugary salad dressing, yeah, that's
• 27:00
  not the way to start your meal.
• 27:02
  But if you're eating some bitter lettuce in a small amount of it, you're getting your
• 27:06
  herbal bitters before you eat your meat, which jumps to the digestive process.
• 27:10
  So again, the concepts have really been lost.
• 27:14
  When we refine it down to where you should eat your protein first before you eat your
• 27:19
  leafy lettuce, that makes some sense.
• 27:22
  But if you say, let's brought out, well, what if I eat some a small bitter salad with
• 27:27
  bitter leaves in it?
• 27:29
  What would that do?
• 27:30
  That would give me my bitters before I had my meat.
• 27:33
  So I think meat fruits and vegetables is where I would start as a concept.
• 27:38
  I think those meat fruits and vegetables should be clean.
• 27:41
  I think your meats should include not just the same cut of meat all the time.
• 27:46
  A meat will concentrate toxins 11 times greater than the plant.
• 27:53
  So a lot of people eat plant-based because it's a lower toxin burden.
• 27:58
  And I don't think that's correct because that is going to deprive them of all the healthy
• 28:03
  nutrition of the meat.
• 28:05
  But if you're eating a meat and it's not clean, you have to also realize you're putting
• 28:09
  a toxic burden on the body.
• 28:11
  So that's where clean meats, clean fruits, clean vegetables, how you're getting them.
• 28:16
  Are you eating tropical fruit, living in the north when it's not too hot?
• 28:21
  Watermelon grows in the summertime.
• 28:23
  It's a high sugar, high water food.
• 28:27
  That may make sense if it's 100 degrees outside.
• 28:29
  If it's minus five degrees in Massachusetts, should you be eating watermelon in February
• 28:34
  where you're not burning that information off and you're not even spending that much
• 28:39
  water in sweating because that's what would happen in July 4th when you're eating watermelon.
• 28:45
  You mentioned earlier that there are some basic low-cost things people could do that are
• 28:52
  in alignment or closer to ancestral concepts that will help to kind of help offset that
• 28:58
  the modern society impacts.
• 29:01
  I would love to hear some thoughts because that is one concern I have is that there is
• 29:05
  this prevalent kind of message that we're getting, particularly from biohacking communities,
• 29:10
  from influencer communities, without them saying it, but ultimately they're saying to be
• 29:16
  healthy, you have to be wealthy because they're suggesting so many expensive protein powders
• 29:23
  and pills and so many devices and at the end of the day it's just very expensive.
• 29:28
  So what are some things that are low-cost that people can do to help to realign?
• 29:34
  I think that if we go with the concepts of meat, fruits, and vegetables and you can
• 29:38
  get them locally grown and it may cost you a little bit more to get organic.
• 29:43
  I think a common thing we talk about is the dirty dozen versus the clean 15 from environmental
• 29:48
  working group.
• 29:49
  So the clean 15, their fruits and vegetables you could buy that don't have to have the
• 29:54
  additional cost of organic.
• 29:56
  I think some things are very important like strawberries and blueberries that they're organic.
• 30:01
  I also think that not everything has to be super expensive and it may cost you a little
• 30:08
  bit more, but what is the cost of being sick?
• 30:12
  What is the cost of not feeling well?
• 30:15
  What's the cost of what they call presentism where you're not really present as much as
• 30:20
  you could be and illness?
• 30:22
  If we're going to save for our 401Ks in retirement that a lot of people do, are we willing
• 30:27
  to invest that today so we can enjoy that?
• 30:30
  One of the statements that I'll make to a patient is I say, if you're not willing to
• 30:34
  do some of these things and spend a little bit more, we're not talking about you have to
• 30:39
  be wealthy to do this, but if you're not willing to sacrifice a little bit more now, don't
• 30:44
  put money in your 401K because you're not going to be enjoying it when you retire.
• 30:48
  People say, I can't afford anything but ramen noodles, but you have a $400 a month
• 30:52
  cell phone bill.
• 30:53
  So what are you prioritizing?
• 30:56
  Convenience over health?
• 30:58
  How important is your health to you?
• 31:00
  So I do think it's not terribly expensive to get a good night's rest.
• 31:06
  It's not terribly expensive to put your feet on the earth.
• 31:10
  It's not terribly expensive to go for a walk or move.
• 31:13
  Those are all free and it's not terribly expensive to cut out highly processed refined foods
• 31:20
  and go back to meat fruits and vegetables and focus on what's cleaner than not cleaner.
• 31:26
  I think that you can go to a butcher or an organic butcher and get the bones that nobody
• 31:32
  wants and make your own bone broth for low cost.
• 31:36
  So I say, yes, if you want to go out and purchase the ultra healthy things in pills, potions
• 31:43
  or lotions, it is discriminatory towards the poor.
• 31:48
  If you put a little bit of effort in, which puts the owners back on the patient, what are
• 31:52
  you willing to do, it can be done relatively inexpensive and directly correct, but in
• 31:58
  complete, it costs a lot of money to go to McDonald's three times a day.
• 32:01
  Can you start to prepare your meals at home?
• 32:04
  And so if you're feeding a family of four or six on fast food or dining out, can you
• 32:09
  do that at home?
• 32:10
  Can you put a little bit more effort into home your home cooking where you know the
• 32:14
  ingredients, you know what's going into it?
• 32:17
  Are you willing to save money by not going out and then your grocery bill may go up
• 32:22
  a little bit, but your overall household income may go expenditure may go down because
• 32:27
  you're not eating out.
• 32:28
  Those are the pivot points.
• 32:29
  So if you focus on meats, fruits, and vegetables, cleaners, better, eat out less, you know,
• 32:34
  instead of meeting people out for dinner and invite them over to your house, then you
• 32:37
  get community, socialization.
• 32:39
  I think there are some simple concepts that if we take them at the minutia level, then
• 32:45
  they're going to be expensive.
• 32:46
  You have to live this way and buy these things and take these potions and eat this certain
• 32:51
  protein powder.
• 32:53
  Okay, but can we do it a different way?
• 32:55
  You know, we're the wealthiest point we've ever been in our lives in history.
• 33:00
  But how did it happen 100 years ago, 200 years ago, 300 years ago, 500 years ago.
• 33:05
  So it wasn't a cost prohibitive to eat healthy 500 years ago because pretty much everything
• 33:10
  you did was eat healthy because you ate meats, fruits, and vegetables.
• 33:14
  You ate fresh.
• 33:15
  You ate what was in season.
• 33:17
  You didn't throw away pieces of the animal that, you know, well, I'm only going to eat
• 33:21
  the loins.
• 33:22
  The tenderloins are going to actually eat everything.
• 33:24
  And then you don't have to focus as much of what's missing in my diet.
• 33:27
  Well, it was all provided to you in nature, but we stopped listening to that message and
• 33:32
  we're not listening to nature.
• 33:33
  So all the way down to boiling the bones and getting some bone broth, and getting the
• 33:37
  marrow out of that.
• 33:38
  And you didn't just eat the really great cuts of meat, eat them all.
• 33:43
  And you probably pivoted sometimes because you go back a couple of thousand years, maybe
• 33:47
  you didn't kill an animal that day.
• 33:50
  So how did you exist?
• 33:52
  So you have metabolic flexibility to sometimes eat certain foods, sometimes these other foods.
• 33:57
  So getting back to ancestral diets to me is you probably wouldn't be eating something
• 34:04
  that hasn't been ripe for five months and eating that.
• 34:09
  But stores, you know, what we could store long would be, again, your proteins, you could
• 34:14
  store a little bit easier, you could either smoke them or cook them or dry them or salt
• 34:20
  them.
• 34:21
  You could do a lot of things with it, but you weren't eating a watermelon in February.
• 34:24
  That was never the case.
• 34:26
  And to your point, you weren't always eating ribeye.
• 34:28
  You know, you were eating the whole animal, the organs, the bones, yeah, you were utilizing
• 34:33
  the whole animal.
• 34:34
  You have a very unique perspective that I don't know if everyone is aware of, but you serve
• 34:42
  a lot of the Amish country and I know that came about during COVID because they didn't
• 34:47
  have the resources that everyone else did because the hospitals weren't serving them.
• 34:52
  You created programs to support them and now you're more and more working with them.
• 34:56
  What I find so fascinating about the Amish community though is that they do seem closer
• 35:01
  to ancestral concepts and nature.
• 35:04
  So what are you seeing?
• 35:06
  Would you say that they are closer to nature in kind of simpler times?
• 35:10
  And then second part of that question is, what are you seeing health-wise in them that's
• 35:16
  different from other people that are not Amish?
• 35:19
  Yes, they are closer to nature, for sure.
• 35:22
  And two, we exploded seeing them over COVID, but we've served the population since the early
• 35:30
  2000s.
• 35:31
  Oh, okay.
• 35:32
  Yeah, we've really worked with the Plain community.
• 35:34
  We'll call it Amish men and I, River Brethren, German Brethren, the Plain community for
• 35:39
  a long period of time and there they all have their own gardens.
• 35:42
  They typically have someone in their community that raises their meat and we saw a shift
• 35:50
  in the probably 15 years ago where some went more chemical and some stayed traditional.
• 35:57
  Chemical in what way?
• 35:58
  Like agriculture wise?
• 35:59
  What do you mean?
• 36:00
  Chemical.
• 36:01
  So they're in, at a furrowing the fields, they were spraying the fields and some stayed
• 36:04
  true to tradition and some didn't.
• 36:07
  And we saw like this really too-tiered system and they're pivoting back largely because
• 36:13
  they were aware of the health was suffering from all the agribusiness and agrib chemicals
• 36:19
  that were being used.
• 36:21
  You know, it's not a perfect system, but they get up, they move, they work, they eat real
• 36:28
  food.
• 36:29
  I had a patient a couple of years ago and she canned 141 cans of ham and bean soup and
• 36:36
  I said, wow, what are you going to do with that?
• 36:37
  She goes, well, that's what I'm going to eat all winter, like that was their food.
• 36:41
  So one of the things that was kind of fascinating, if there's a food shortage, they're not going
• 36:45
  to have a food shortage because they're still growing their food in their backyard and
• 36:49
  they have basements with their canned food in them.
• 36:52
  Now, they also love their desserts, love their baked goods, they're famous for shoe-fly
• 36:56
  pie.
• 36:57
  So it doesn't come without the taste buds of kind of want a little bit of the war because
• 37:02
  they always have a baked good or a dessert to go with it.
• 37:08
  It's less problematic because they do work hard and they're spending the energy, they're
• 37:13
  not known for desk jobs, they're known for farming and carpentry and working jobs.
• 37:19
  So I think if you look at the whole 360 view, you know, they'll say, I'm one of the questions
• 37:25
  to say is how's your energy and they, you know, I have a 62-year-old Amish woman
• 37:29
  particular.
• 37:30
  She goes, well, I'm kind of tired.
• 37:31
  It's like, well, tell me about your day.
• 37:32
  Well, I get up at 4.30 and I do all of this work and by 9.30, I'm tired.
• 37:38
  I'm like, well, that's, that's a little physiology, yes, you're really working hard.
• 37:46
  So kind of putting it all together and again, not to get too esoteric, but they're in touch
• 37:51
  with the earth.
• 37:52
  They grow their own food so they move well.
• 37:55
  They are typically exhausted from the work they do, which is normal.
• 38:00
  So they sleep pretty well.
• 38:02
  So they sleep well, move well and eat well, which are core concepts.
• 38:05
  They have community, whether you like it or not, they have their form of community.
• 38:10
  They have zero nursing homes.
• 38:13
  They don't pay so security because they prove to the government they don't need social security
• 38:19
  because they take care of their own.
• 38:21
  Nobody dies alone.
• 38:22
  Everybody, whether they're a single female who's 50 or 60, they're all taking care of.
• 38:28
  So there's a sense of community.
• 38:30
  The Amish haven't really, quote unquote, evolved like modern society.
• 38:34
  Well, there's a lot of benefit to that.
• 38:36
  There's some drawbacks, you know, it's, you know, if they're going 12 miles away from
• 38:40
  their home on a horse and buggy, it's an hour where we would think it's five minutes.
• 38:44
  So there are some, okay, conveniences, but they've chosen to say, we're going to stay
• 38:49
  as true as we can to ancestral ways.
• 38:53
  And we see much lower chronic or chronic health conditions in that population.
• 39:00
  Do they exist?
• 39:01
  Of course they do.
• 39:02
  Do they have some challenges with marrying their first cousins, second cousins?
• 39:07
  Of course we do.
• 39:08
  There is some genetic uniqueness because it's not a population wide concept.
• 39:13
  It's a community wide concept.
• 39:15
  So they have some uniqueness to them, but we're not seeing in those communities the same
• 39:20
  chronic diseases that we're seeing population wide.
• 39:23
  Yeah, it's fascinating having your foot in both worlds.
• 39:26
  I really do think that you're privy to a perspective that most, most don't have.
• 39:33
  Now you still do, of course, lab testing, but you use them differently than conventional
• 39:38
  medicine does.
• 39:40
  How do you balance data with the deeper story behind someone's illness?
• 39:46
  Well, one of the challenges I do have is I do have a foot in both worlds, right?
• 39:50
  So we're not the office that won't prescribe a medication.
• 39:54
  There's a time and a place where we'll prescribe medications because again, the house is
• 39:59
  on fire.
• 40:00
  So we call the fire department.
• 40:02
  That's a medication.
• 40:03
  So we do use medications.
• 40:05
  I know some in the holistic world, they reel against that, but there are times and places
• 40:12
  for extreme intervention in acute crisis that is necessary.
• 40:17
  And I frequently say there's a little hospital down the street.
• 40:20
  You may have heard of called Johns Hopkins.
• 40:23
  So I need, I can't just be all out in left field.
• 40:27
  I need to substantiate what I'm doing.
• 40:30
  So we'll use quite a few laboratory findings and objective data to really pivot our direction
• 40:37
  of care and substantiate improvement.
• 40:40
  Two things have to happen in our office.
• 40:42
  The patient needs to feel better and the markers need to improve.
• 40:46
  If the patient feels better, but the markers don't improve, it's going to come back.
• 40:51
  And if the markers improve and the patient doesn't feel better, they don't care.
• 40:54
  They're here to feel better.
• 40:56
  So if we have to co-manage, which we do a lot of the, we'll call them the regular population.
• 41:01
  And they're seen at a facility, such as a Johns Hopkins, we need to be able to have dialogue
• 41:06
  for the best interest of the patient.
• 41:08
  So we can say we ran up these markers and a lot of times markers are run that are confirmatory.
• 41:16
  So you run a marker to confirm there's a disease.
• 41:19
  And there's a lot of times markers are run as predictive markers as to what's going
• 41:23
  to come.
• 41:25
  Telepathic medicine is not the best at predictive markers because they're trained to treat conditions
• 41:32
  not potential conditions for the most part.
• 41:35
  And so we're using these markers as predictive markers as to what may be coming down the
• 41:40
  street.
• 41:41
  And that we cast a very wide net, run an awful lot of markers to see what might be coming
• 41:47
  down the road and take interventions to prevent you from going over the cliff.
• 41:52
  Another phrase we use is it's much easier to stop you from going over the cliff than
• 41:57
  it is to pull you back after you've fallen over the cliff.
• 42:00
  So the lab markers will tell us help us to predict, are you close to a cliff?
• 42:07
  Are you headed towards a cliff?
• 42:09
  Is something coming?
• 42:10
  Is the train coming?
• 42:11
  Do you only jump off the track once you get hit by the train or do you see the train coming
• 42:14
  and say, I should probably do something about it before the train hits me.
• 42:18
  So yeah, we're very lab heavy.
• 42:19
  We do a lot of labs to kind of use as confirmatory as to what's going on with our suspicion, predictive
• 42:27
  to see what might be coming.
• 42:29
  And then objectively, are we making improvements in ways that maybe the patient doesn't feel
• 42:35
  right away, but we know we're on the right track.
• 42:39
  Given that part of this conversation is supporting people before there's, you know, a fire.
• 42:44
  And as you mentioned earlier, it's really challenging because most people wait to get
• 42:48
  help until it's at that point.
• 42:50
  So how do we help people deal with things before they're truly an issue is part of it?
• 42:56
  Like, is there a standard kind of like, hey, every year you should be getting tested
• 43:01
  and what tests should you be doing?
• 43:02
  Like, you know, we live in this society where there could be stuff going on and you just,
• 43:06
  it's subtle sometimes, you know, the inflammation shows up sometimes it's neuro inflammation,
• 43:11
  right?
• 43:13
  You don't even realize that, hey, this is something that could become something like a
• 43:18
  lot of people not recognize, oh, skin issues, for example, are an indication that something
• 43:23
  else is going on.
• 43:24
  They just think, oh, well, this is normal.
• 43:26
  You know, they've normalized chronic illness, right?
• 43:29
  The mentality of it.
• 43:30
  So how does someone get out of that thinking and what should they be doing to kind of stay
• 43:34
  on top of it?
• 43:35
  Well, the circle back to even our original part of this dialogue was if there's so much
• 43:41
  background noise, are you really aware of what's going on with you?
• 43:45
  Right?
• 43:46
  So I'm getting a little bit tired or I'm a little bit older, you know, patients come in
• 43:49
  and well, I'm not as young as they used to be and they're 32, I'm like, yeah, well,
• 43:54
  or I had a patient once I said to you, get headaches, she goes not more than news on
• 43:57
  like, how many is that?
• 43:58
  She goes about five a week, I like, would you become normal to that?
• 44:02
  I said, I haven't had five in my lifetime.
• 44:05
  And so we normal, we do normalize because it becomes our norm.
• 44:08
  So optimal wellness, I think we've lost touch with with what that really is.
• 44:14
  I do think my children all get labs at least once a year, I'm going to say twice a year.
• 44:20
  I'm weird because I have phlegm, I run my labs every single month and that's excessive.
• 44:27
  It's excessive.
• 44:28
  I know it's excessive.
• 44:29
  I tell patients some guys like to tinker with cars and fix cars and so they, I like to
• 44:34
  tinker with physiology.
• 44:35
  So I get my labs every single month and I check them, but I do think it's wise.
• 44:40
  If you don't have complete awareness of yourself, which I would argue that very few of any of
• 44:47
  us do, is there another way to look at that?
• 44:50
  And it could be something as simple as if your spouse was with you, I asked the spouse
• 44:55
  some questions because maybe the spouse is seeing something that the patient isn't seeing.
• 45:00
  And the same is true of lab work, you weren't aware of this, but I can see it coming.
• 45:06
  One of the aha moments is people aren't aware many times that they have cancer until
• 45:11
  the cancer becomes symptomatic, but it's been brewing.
• 45:14
  It didn't start as a bump in the night.
• 45:17
  It's been coming on for periods of time and how do we predict that?
• 45:21
  How do we look for diseases that are coming?
• 45:24
  We do regular maintenance on our teeth on our cars and we're not even looking for potential
• 45:29
  problems in our physiology.
• 45:32
  And if three out of four Americans have a chronic illness, then yeah, I would say at best,
• 45:39
  at best, which I would disagree with, the 25% that don't should still be looking for.
• 45:44
  But certainly the 75% of Americans need to be taking preemptive steps and looking at
• 45:53
  what might be coming down the road before it gets to a full disease state.
• 45:56
  So I'm a big fan.
• 45:57
  Here we have a program called Live Jevite instead of Lawn Jevite.
• 46:01
  It's how well you're living.
• 46:02
  And those are patients that, again, I think I'm doing pretty good, but I want to make
• 46:06
  get a baseline of what's going on.
• 46:08
  And so we do that all the way down to people that come in very sick, 13-year-old and a wheelchair
• 46:13
  that nobody's figured out.
• 46:15
  And they're different levels of concern, but we still want to evaluate someone who thinks
• 46:21
  they're doing well.
• 46:22
  So do we have optimal movement, optimal sleep, optimal nutrition, optimal blood markers
• 46:29
  looking at what might be coming down the road?
• 46:32
  Heart disease is another one, right?
• 46:34
  It starts in your 30s and kiosers in your 50s and 60s.
• 46:36
  Well, if you could identify that at 35, it's a much easier recovery.
• 46:41
  And you're not going to have a symptom early coronary artery disease until it becomes an
• 46:47
  issue.
• 46:48
  40% of the time, the first sign or symptom of a heart attack is death.
• 46:51
  Well, let's not wait for that symptom to come on.
• 46:54
  Let's do something about it.
• 46:56
  So blood tests would be the test you would recommend at minimum once a year.
• 47:01
  It's the easiest entry point.
• 47:04
  If you do expanded blood work and you have insurance, it's typically covered.
• 47:09
  So it's a low threshold to entry.
• 47:12
  There are great tests that are specialty tests that can be done, whether they'd be stool
• 47:17
  or saliva or specialty labs or specialty things.
• 47:21
  They're more out of pocket, but at the very least a standard yearly checkup of generally
• 47:29
  accepted inside the box, insurance covered labs should be expanded greatly, in my opinion,
• 47:38
  on what your average physician does.
• 47:41
  They're not looking at inflammatory markers.
• 47:42
  It's a typical look at maybe your blood sugar, maybe your A1C, maybe your cholesterol,
• 47:48
  but they're not looking at other physiology, and they're also not interpreting those
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  with risk factors of 30-year risk factors versus five-year risk factors.
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  So you can get a blood test back, and typically they've done it, your five-year risk factor
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  is low.
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  But if you extrapolate that out to your 30-year risk factor is incredibly high, and if
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  you're 30, well, it matters.
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  If you're 90, it may not matter as much, but if you're 30, it matters.
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  So I think a wider net of predictive markers to allow the patient, give the patient the
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  option to pivot back towards a healthier physiology and lifestyle is important.
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  And I would say at least once a year, many of my patients, even when I say, I've been
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  doing this 30-year, so I'll say to a patient, all right, you're great.
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  Let's check you in a year.
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  And many times they'll come back and say, you might if we check it in six months, I just
• 48:40
  want to make sure.
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  And I'm like, sure.
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  I want to be ethical if I don't need to see in six months, I'll see in a year.
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  But a lot of times the patients will choose because they've been educated, I'd like to
• 48:50
  take a look at what's going on.
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  And many times I'm an adjunct to the primary care provider.
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  So sometimes I work well with them, sometimes they don't like me at all.
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  I don't care because I work for a patient, I don't work for the other doctor.
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  So I would encourage everybody to take inventory of what they're doing in their life, how they
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  can improve the things that are free and cast a wide net on some markers that are low
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  cost to entry.
• 49:16
  Your insurance typically covers them and see what's coming down the road.
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  And you know, you could argue to that, you know, you get tested, you do all these things.
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  And the doctor says, okay, I'll see you in a year.
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  And your instinct is, you know, let's do six months.
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  Instinct is part of your journey and your process of getting more in tune with your
• 49:35
  own needs.
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  And sometimes we don't need to know why we're asking for it.
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  We just need to listen to that instinct.
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  True.
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  You're saying, well, I know you tell me I'm fine, but I don't feel perfect.
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  And one of the two things is maybe I'll catch it in six months that I could do.
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  The other one is maybe the doctor wasn't in tune with you.
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  And didn't even run the right test or didn't take the opportunity to go a little bit deeper
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  into that.
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  I think both of those are true.
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  I think that one of the things that is like nails on a chalkboard to me is if you go
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  to a regular PCP, alapafic, and you have two complaints.
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  I got a headache and my foot hurts.
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  They're trained now in the insurance model.
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  That's two visits.
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  I can't talk to you about two things on the same visit.
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  So if you come in and said, yeah, I went and my shoulders really killing me.
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  And by the way, I have some bladder issues.
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  I'm like, well, that's two visits.
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  So you have to make another appointment to talk me about that.
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  I'm like, that's such a disconnect.
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  You know, we're not the sum of the parts.
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  They just look at individualized pieces.
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  And they're certainly related.
• 50:46
  The body keeps the score as far as if this is upset over here.
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  It's affecting this over here.
• 50:52
  They're not individualized compartments.
• 50:54
  So it's again, a flawed system when you say, I can only talk to you about one complaint.
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  What if your complaint is I generally don't feel good instead of saying my foot hurts.
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  I'm inflamed.
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  Where?
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  All over.
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  Well, now they're like, I don't know what to do because now there's so many different
• 51:13
  complaints.
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  So I think that listening to your body becoming more aware of your body and then the
• 51:18
  person that is interpreting what you're saying, I eat the provider, the physician, having
• 51:24
  a wide enough net and willing to go deeper, willing to work for the patient to say, the
• 51:29
  test that I did didn't capture that is there nothing there or did I not look under the
• 51:35
  right rock?
• 51:36
  Am I willing to go deeper?
• 51:37
  Am I willing to look at what might be going on?
• 51:39
  Am I willing to be vulnerable and say, I don't know about this.
• 51:44
  Let me look into it.
• 51:45
  Let me go a little bit deeper.
• 51:46
  Let me look and see if you're having a reaction to something that isn't really something
• 51:50
  I was, are you having a food reaction, which 20 years ago, everybody thought was crazy
• 51:55
  and now is becoming more accepted.
• 51:57
  So.
• 51:58
  All right.
• 51:59
  Last question.
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  And I'll release you.
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  I know you're busy.
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  If you could wave a magic wand and bring one ancestral principle back into modern healthcare.
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  What would it be and why?
• 52:10
  Ooh.
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  So I could change one thing.
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  If I kept in and vain with the conversation and I'll try and dialogue a little deeper,
• 52:21
  is can we develop that listening skill to our body, the way that it was generations
• 52:30
  ago where you can become more aware to interpret, I need to do this.
• 52:37
  I need to sleep.
• 52:39
  I need rest.
• 52:40
  I need to eat this type of food.
• 52:42
  I know that's kind of a very broad rainbow wish, but if we could listen to what our body
• 52:50
  is telling us to do, I think we would go so far in what should I eat, when should I sleep,
• 52:56
  how should I move, when should I move, should I interact with people, should I socialize,
• 53:02
  this is mental health, this is physical health, this is getting back to all those things.
• 53:08
  So I wouldn't be wearing a dress shirt, I wouldn't wear a tie.
• 53:12
  I would listen to my body and say it wants to move, when it wants to move, I would move,
• 53:16
  when it wants to sleep, I would sleep.
• 53:19
  When it wants to eat, can I listen to that voice and say, I'm hungry, what should I eat?
• 53:24
  A great example, and I could spend all day with you, but a great example is someone says
• 53:29
  I'm hungry.
• 53:30
  And if you give them a food and like, I'm not hungry for that, well then you're really
• 53:33
  not hungry.
• 53:34
  Craving something, but you're not hungry.
• 53:36
  If you give a starving child food, they will eat it.
• 53:40
  Be more self-aware, and that's really challenging to do in today's society when we're bombarded
• 53:47
  or you're attached to everything every minute.
• 53:49
  So kind of stepping away and taking pause, if I could choose one thing, it would become
• 53:55
  more aware of the information that our body is processing to make better decisions about
• 54:02
  what we could do.
• 54:03
  I'm laughing because we say that to our daughters all the time, they say, oh, I'm thirsty,
• 54:09
  or I'm hungry.
• 54:10
  And I say, okay, here, here, here, drink this, like, well, no, I'm not hungry or thirsty
• 54:13
  for that.
• 54:14
  I'm like, well, then you are not hungry and thirsty.
• 54:16
  And I do it in my house.
• 54:17
  Well, too, I'm hungry.
• 54:18
  I'm like, here, have this.
• 54:19
  They're like, I don't want that.
• 54:20
  I'm like, well, starving child would want that.
• 54:22
  So if you're really hungry, is it a hunger or is it a craving, and then I'll say, if
• 54:27
  it's a craving, what are you craving and why?
• 54:30
  I'm craving this.
• 54:31
  So are you craving carbohydrates because your serotonin is low?
• 54:36
  Are you craving fats because your dopamine is low?
• 54:38
  I know my kids think I'm crazy.
• 54:40
  Are you craving this because you're craving minerals?
• 54:43
  Are you craving this because you want protein?
• 54:45
  And again, I see that commonly in pregnant women because they're more in tune with what
• 54:51
  they want.
• 54:52
  And the other thing is we use the word need in my household.
• 54:55
  I may have told you this before.
• 54:56
  I need this.
• 54:57
  I'm like, you don't need that starving children need food.
• 54:59
  You don't know what need is.
• 55:01
  And if you became more in tune, you would say, what's a want?
• 55:04
  What's in need?
• 55:05
  What's a hunger?
• 55:06
  What's a craving?
• 55:07
  And so, yeah.
• 55:08
  Thank you so much for your time.
• 55:09
  I know you have a book coming out.
• 55:11
  When is that coming out next year or this year?
• 55:13
  Hopefully.
• 55:14
  I have a little book lid, I'll call it.
• 55:15
  It's called The Handbook of Health.
• 55:16
  And it's just the basic principles because I was lecturing one time.
• 55:19
  Like, if you have a hand, you can understand health.
• 55:21
  It's how when you eat, how when you sleep, how when you move, what's your stress levels,
• 55:26
  what you can do to support or supplement that.
• 55:29
  And then it's also a hand because I think community is important.
• 55:32
  So it's the hand that reaches out when you need help.
• 55:34
  It's also the hand that reaches out to give help.
• 55:37
  That's a little booklet.
• 55:38
  But there's a book.
• 55:39
  It's more scientific that I've been writing for 12 years now.
• 55:45
  And hopefully in the next few months, I'll have that out.
• 55:48
  And I have a term that I've been using forever, so I hope nobody steals it.
• 55:52
  It's called I don't feel good, I just, so it's not really a diagnostic code.
• 55:56
  People say, what do you do?
• 55:58
  I say, well, I work with patients who have, I don't feel gooditis.
• 56:01
  And like, what's that?
• 56:02
  It really is any reason why you're not feeling optimal.
• 56:06
  And so we go through in the book a lot of basic concepts and how you got off the path
• 56:12
  of feeling optimal and returning from, I don't feel gooditis to, I feel good.
• 56:17
  The challenge for me is, as I try to be a learn it all, it never stops.
• 56:22
  So every time I think I'm done, I'm like, well, I just have to add one more thing.
• 56:25
  So my staff is like, just be done with that part and write another book.
• 56:28
  So I have to finish it and say, that was good enough.
• 56:30
  And yeah, yeah, you got to get out that out there.
• 56:33
  Your, your, your information is crucial and needed.
• 56:36
  So anything you can to get just get it out there is going to be important.
• 56:40
  And everyone would be better for it.
• 56:43
  Are people able to work with you all virtually?
• 56:47
  Yes, a couple of caveats we say is if you're at a state, we can't prescribe.
• 56:52
  Because the license doesn't allow us to prescribe over a state line, a prescription drug.
• 56:58
  But everything else we can do across the state line.
• 57:01
  So we have patients in every state and 13 countries around the world that will work
• 57:06
  with through telehealth.
• 57:08
  We have a secure telehealth portal.
• 57:10
  So we work with patients all over the country and actually most of the world.
• 57:15
  Fantastic.
• 57:16
  And anyone watching or listening, if you do have that kind of mystery thing going on,
• 57:21
  then no one's been able to solve.
• 57:22
  I highly recommend you reach out to Dr. Chris Trempa.
• 57:27
  He's fantastic.
• 57:28
  And he's our go-to when we have those questions.
• 57:31
  Thank you again, Dr. Trempa, really do appreciate your time.
• 57:35
  We'll put all any, any links in the, in the show notes.
• 57:39
  And yeah, just, just keep on keeping on your, your, your, I know, well, actually I should
• 57:43
  say I should have a caveat because I know since we know each other, I know that your Achilles
• 57:49
  heel is that you work a lot.
• 57:52
  So I shouldn't say keep on keeping on, I hope you are able to take some time off yourself
• 57:59
  and, and create a little space between work and play so that you can endure for as long
• 58:04
  as you can.
• 58:05
  I would be remiss if I didn't say, I'm aware and I don't always listen to the voice.
• 58:10
  So I know I need to get out of the office and I know I need to do more physical exercise
• 58:15
  and need to be more integrated with my family and do things.
• 58:18
  So sometimes you hear the message and you tell it to shut up, so awareness but rejections.
• 58:23
  So I'm a patient as well.
• 58:25
  So one of the things is you can't just supplement your way into a good health.
• 58:29
  I eat very well, but it goes, I have to eat well, sleep well, move well.
• 58:35
  And one of my holes in my care is moving well.
• 58:39
  I move, but I'm a weekend warrior.
• 58:42
  So I'll overdo it on the weekend.
• 58:43
  So I, it's a message that I can relate to patients just because I live this and I'm
• 58:48
  very aware and I do everything that I can, doesn't mean I'm perfect, but really good also
• 58:54
  isn't the enemy of perfect.
• 58:56
  So yes, you keep on keeping on, would be keep on keeping on better.
• 59:01
  Yeah.
• 59:02
  All right.
• 59:03
  Well, be well.
• 59:04
  I look forward to seeing you again soon and thank you again.
• 59:07
  Take care.
• 59:08
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• 59:10
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