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Secrets | Chapter 9 · Devil Town

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is intended for mature audiences.
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  Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 1: Before Kelly Wilson vanished in nineteen ninety two, she had
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  Speaker 1: become really good friends with this local girl named Jennifer.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer lived in Gilmer, Texas, just a few houses down
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  Speaker 1: from Kelly's family. Like Kelly, Jennifer was a senior in
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  Speaker 1: high school that year, but she went to a smaller
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  Speaker 1: school outside of town. When Kelly never came home from
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  Speaker 1: work on the night of January fifth, nineteen ninety two,
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer didn't even find out for a couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: When she heard the news, she hurried over to Kelly's house.
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  Speaker 3: One thing I do remember is that when I went
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  Speaker 3: to see her mom, Kathy, when I found out.
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  Speaker 4: That she was missing. I found out Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: As I'm standing there talking to her mom, she's just saying,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Jennifer, they're saying that she's you know, they
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  Speaker 3: think she's just run away. She's like, there's no way
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  Speaker 3: she's run away. I mean she left her purse, she
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  Speaker 3: left her contact solutions, she.
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  Speaker 4: Left I mean she left everything.
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  Speaker 3: And she's like, and she left all this money she has.
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  Speaker 3: So she takes me in a room and she opens
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  Speaker 3: a drawer and she shows me just a lot of cash,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of cash.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just like, yeah, that's definitely weird.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer had no idea what was Kelly doing with all
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  Speaker 1: that money.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's unusual that any of us would have
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  Speaker 3: a lot of cash. She worked it in TV. She
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  Speaker 3: would have gotten paid with a check.
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  Speaker 2: Are we talking like hundreds of dollars or more?
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember for sure, but it was significant.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Henry, the former video store manager, also said that
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  Speaker 1: Kelly was paid by never cash. Jennifer remembers another strange
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  Speaker 1: detail from the weekend in nineteen ninety two when Kelly vanished.
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  Speaker 1: The girls had gone out Friday night with another friend
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  Speaker 1: named Misty. I haven't been able to reach Misty. It
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  Speaker 1: was a quiet night in Gilmert Friday night.
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  Speaker 3: We just, I guess she could say, kind of wandering aimlessly.
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  Speaker 3: I think we did go out to some trailer house.
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  Speaker 3: Some guys lived out there, just you know, see what
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  Speaker 3: they were doing. It didn't we didn't stay long. I
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  Speaker 3: ended up happening to go home close to midnight or
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  Speaker 3: a little before, and her and Missy ended up staying
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  Speaker 3: out later.
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  Speaker 4: And so the next morning, you know.
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  Speaker 3: We kind of call each other or talking and kind
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  Speaker 3: of you know, recapping the night, and I'm curious to
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  Speaker 3: know if they ended up finding anything else to do.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, she's telling me, no, not really. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we stayed out another hour or so, and then we
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  Speaker 3: came home. And then as we're talking, she's like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think somebody came.
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  Speaker 4: To my window.
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  Speaker 1: Kelly's bedroom window was right next to a little side street.
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  Speaker 3: She's trying to sort out whether she's imagining this, she was,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe a little drunk, couldn't hearing.
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  Speaker 3: Things or dreamed it, or it really happened.
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  Speaker 4: But as she's you know, kind of talking out loud,
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  Speaker 4: she's just saying.
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  Speaker 3: You know, well, no, I think there were somebody there.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there were taking one windows, saying hey Kelly.
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  Speaker 3: She I guess convinced herself that yeah, maybe there was
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  Speaker 3: somebody actually there because she heard the dogs blocky. She
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  Speaker 3: couldn't really say who, I mean, she didn't know, she
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  Speaker 3: just knew it would sound like a couple of guys.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer was still talking to Kelly's mom, Kathy, when they
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  Speaker 1: were joined by James York Brown, the officer investigating Kelly's disappearance,
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  Speaker 1: the strange guys knocking on Kelly's window that seemed like
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  Speaker 1: a clue Sergeant Brown might want to know about.
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  Speaker 3: Near the end of our visit, Brown shows up and
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  Speaker 3: she introduces me to him, and she.
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  Speaker 4: Says, you know, why don't you tell him.
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  Speaker 3: About Kelly's thinking somebody came to her window the other night,
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  Speaker 3: And so I tell him, you're thinking like.
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  Speaker 4: The movies, like well, maybe they can fingerprint the window
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  Speaker 4: sill or you know, stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing ever came a bit like you know, I guess
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  Speaker 3: I asked her mom later, did he check?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 3: She's like, well, I think he looked, but they didn't
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  Speaker 3: really investigate that lead, I guess she could say. And
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  Speaker 3: I never got another I never I was never called
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  Speaker 3: about it, and I was never.
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  Speaker 4: Asked about it.
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  Speaker 3: And I think there's a lot of people her friend
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  Speaker 3: group that could say kind of like, yeah, there were
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  Speaker 3: a lot of kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of loose ends that weren't explored. So there was maybe,
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  Speaker 4: you know, another side to Kelly that some.
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  Speaker 3: Of us didn't know, or or just maybe on another side,
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  Speaker 3: but other things that she was involved in, perhaps.
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  Speaker 4: I remember going before that.
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  Speaker 3: Her injury and They were asking me all these questions
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  Speaker 3: about Kelly. They were asking me questionable things I didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: There were some pictures of Kelly naked that had circulated
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  Speaker 3: around the school. They asked me if I knew if
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  Speaker 3: she'd ever done cocaine. I was like no, and I
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  Speaker 3: mean we partied. I don't feel like she'd keep a
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  Speaker 3: lot from me, But I don't know because I've since
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  Speaker 3: learned things, you know, first hand.
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  Speaker 1: Things No one I've spoken to said they ever saw
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  Speaker 1: Kelly using any substances harder than alcohol and pot. But
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  Speaker 1: I heard something else that connects back to drugs. Kelly
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  Speaker 1: had this step cousin from Louisiana, where she'd lived before
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  Speaker 1: she moved to East Texas. The cousin didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: be recorded, but she says that Kelly confided in her
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  Speaker 1: during the fall semester of their senior year, when they
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  Speaker 1: took a campus tour of Louisiana State in Baton Rouge.
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  Speaker 6: She told me she wanted to move back to her
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  Speaker 6: dad's to get away from her ex. He was harassing her,
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  Speaker 6: demanding back gifts he had given her, wouldn't accept that
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  Speaker 6: they were done. She told me they broke up because
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  Speaker 6: he was dealing, and she was pissed because he tricked
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  Speaker 6: her into holding for him once when he was going
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  Speaker 6: to be gone for a weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Kelly didn't mention any names to her cousin, And I've
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  Speaker 1: looked at several guys Kelly dated and I haven't heard
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  Speaker 1: about any of them dealing drugs.
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  Speaker 3: People are afraid, I think of just throwing stuff out
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  Speaker 3: there willy nilly, because there are a lot of decent
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  Speaker 3: people that were maybe mixed up in this, and then
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  Speaker 3: maybe some shady characters too. But you don't know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: so you just you don't want to be careless.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer also addresses claims made in the last episode that
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  Speaker 1: Kelly might have been taking money for sex. This sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing couldn't happen in Gilmer, right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, on one hand, I'm kind of like, wouldn't we know?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like we were partying with Kelly and we
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  Speaker 3: weren't like judging, I mean, we.
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  Speaker 4: Were all up to no good for the most part,
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  Speaker 4: just having fun. But why wouldn't she tell us?
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  Speaker 3: But then again, if that was actually happening and we
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  Speaker 3: didn't know, well, then there was this other side of
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  Speaker 3: things that was going on, and we didn't know about it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what other girls, though.
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  Speaker 4: Would have been participating in that. There was this circle.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if there were two or three or four
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  Speaker 3: girls that were getting paid to have sex with older men,
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  Speaker 3: who else would it be?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: One more rumor has floated out there for years. In
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  Speaker 1: episode one, Kelly's dad Robbie said, the last time he
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  Speaker 1: ever talked to his daughter, Kelly said she had something
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  Speaker 1: to tell him. Here's Kelly's friend, Michelle.
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  Speaker 7: I honestly don't think that the pregnancy, what is the
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  Speaker 7: reason why she's gone? I just don't in my heart
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  Speaker 7: of hearts, I don't feel like that.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle thinks Kelly found out something she wasn't supposed to know.
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  Speaker 7: As a young girl, you start questioning, you might get upset.
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  Speaker 7: I can't get ready to turn somebody in. Or she
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  Speaker 7: witnessed she knew about who was doing drugs. She probably
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  Speaker 7: I mean, she could have made a threat or anything,
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  Speaker 7: because she was upset about what had transpired. And if
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  Speaker 7: the whole community gets scared that she's going to take.
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  Speaker 8: Them down, they'll handle it.
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  Speaker 7: So my fear is that it's something she got in
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  Speaker 7: way too deep, and she got in way too deep,
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  Speaker 7: maybe because she was pregnant and getting upset and things
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  Speaker 7: were starting to at Snowball.
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  Speaker 1: According to Michelle, the day before Kelly disappeared, she told
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  Speaker 1: a couple of her friends that she needed to tell
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  Speaker 1: them something. There's no way to know if this is
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  Speaker 1: the same something Kelly wanted to tell her dad, Robbie.
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  Speaker 7: And then Saturday she went to work and she told
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  Speaker 7: them come by later because I have something I need
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  Speaker 7: to show you or tell you. I feel like she
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  Speaker 7: wanted them to come up there. She needed to show
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  Speaker 7: them something up there at the video store. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: keep in mind, back then, we did not have cell phones.
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  Speaker 8: You can't send pictures.
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  Speaker 7: If you want to talk to somebody, you're on a
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  Speaker 7: landline where somebody could be let listening to you. So
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  Speaker 7: you're probably not going to have a real in depth
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  Speaker 7: conversation on a landline. That could be detrimental. So you're
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  Speaker 7: going to want to have those conversations in person. So
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  Speaker 7: she wanted them to come back and wanted to show
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  Speaker 7: them something. And then they had volleyball tournaments and got
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  Speaker 7: into light and said we'll just catch up with her later,
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  Speaker 7: and so they never.
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  Speaker 9: Did go to me.
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  Speaker 1: All this speculation, rumor, and peculiar details raised more questions
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  Speaker 1: than answers. A week after my first call with private
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  Speaker 1: investigator Amanda Gammel, she and I agreed to meet at
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  Speaker 1: the local library. Amanda brought along her husband, Ricky, just
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  Speaker 1: in case I turned out to be a weirdo. Amanda
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  Speaker 1: had learned some other stuff about Kelly, things that had
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  Speaker 1: never been shared in public. As the private investigator for
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  Speaker 1: Kelly's mom, Kathy, Amanda wasn't exactly on team Robbie.
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  Speaker 10: There was a point in time that he had put
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  Speaker 10: Kelly in a mental institution, but he didn't tell you that,
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  Speaker 10: didn't he mut at all?
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  Speaker 11: And we are we're working on getting those records right
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  Speaker 11: Neil to see why, what, what was his motive for that?
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  Speaker 10: Why did he do that?
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  Speaker 1: Later I called and asked Robbie whether he'd ever had
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  Speaker 1: Kelly committed. He turned it back on Kathy.
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  Speaker 12: She would go weeks from her mother, and I'd come
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  Speaker 12: home from work and I could tell immediately Kathy had
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  Speaker 12: called and talked to her. Her entire personality and disposition
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  Speaker 12: which would be different, be agitated and all that kind
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  Speaker 12: of stuff. But anyway, long story shore when she was
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  Speaker 12: when Kelly was the last time she was living with us,
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  Speaker 12: she went on one of these tears after Kathy had
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  Speaker 12: agitated her and she tried to run away, and so yeah,
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  Speaker 12: I put her in in a hospital just for no
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  Speaker 12: other reason, to keep her from going back to her mother.
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  Speaker 12: But she wasn't there but a wink or so if
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  Speaker 12: I remember right, and I think Katy came and got
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  Speaker 12: her out.
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  Speaker 13: She was she diagnosed with any kind of psychic psyched
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  Speaker 13: I don't.
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  Speaker 12: I don't recall that she was well.
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  Speaker 2: She might have been, but she was.
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  Speaker 12: She was just a very confused young lady that her
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  Speaker 12: mother just kept, like I said, just kept things stirred up.
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  Speaker 1: Like Kelly's friend Michelle Amanda believes that Kelly might have
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  Speaker 1: been pregnant when she vanished.
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  Speaker 10: As I've continued to investigate and the more that I
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  Speaker 10: have found out, there were a lot of I'm just
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  Speaker 10: gonna say it, there was a lot of sexual payments
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  Speaker 10: made to Kelly by judges, lawyers, police officers.
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  Speaker 4: So that's where we.
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  Speaker 10: Get into the part where I told you that if
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  Speaker 10: we're not careful, we could have lives and danger. The
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  Speaker 10: FBI does investigate correction, and it's very possible at this
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  Speaker 10: point that it's all going to be linked together, and
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  Speaker 10: it's all tied together.
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  Speaker 4: We are pretty confident that she was pregnant.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know how far along she did lock older men.
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  Speaker 14: We do know that.
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  Speaker 4: We're looking at.
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  Speaker 10: We're looking at some bad people, I mean, with data doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Amanda and I talked so long the library closed for
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  Speaker 1: the day.
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  Speaker 4: Do you want to grab Sam?
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  Speaker 1: We reconvened in the parking lot. I shared a few
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  Speaker 1: things with Amanda that I'd heard things about Kathy. In
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  Speaker 1: the last episode, you heard Sergeant Brown allege that Kathy
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  Speaker 1: wanted to end the search for Kelly. But according to Amanda,
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  Speaker 1: Kathy said no such thing.
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  Speaker 15: The only person that she really truly did not like
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  Speaker 15: was James Brown, and that's because she felt like that
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  Speaker 15: he was covering things up and hiding things. What she
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  Speaker 15: told him was, you're gonna bring somebody else in here
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  Speaker 15: to help investigate this. I want my daughter found, she said.
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  Speaker 15: I remember saying something about that. She said, but I don't.
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  Speaker 15: She said, it's like half of half of things are
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  Speaker 15: a daze for me. And I said, like you were
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  Speaker 15: on autopilot. She said yes, And she said, but I don't.
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  Speaker 15: I never went in there and told him he's going
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  Speaker 15: to close this case. Why would I tell him to
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  Speaker 15: close the case on my daughter. Then they started, you know,
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  Speaker 15: pointing the finger at Kathy, and they went through separate
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  Speaker 15: ways because Kathy said, I'm not I'm not doing this.
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  Speaker 15: I'm not gonna deal with this. I'm looking for my daughter.
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  Speaker 15: You're not gonna sit here and tell me that I
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  Speaker 15: killed my daughter through Amanda.
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  Speaker 1: Cathy also rejected the claim that she was already talking
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  Speaker 1: about funeral arrangements the day after Kelly turned up missing.
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  Speaker 15: Okay, squash funeral arrangement talk. I'm going to squash that.
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  Speaker 15: And it was not that day that they got there,
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  Speaker 15: she said. At one point, we did talk about a funeral,
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  Speaker 15: she said, and it's because we had not had.
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  Speaker 8: Where is she?
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  Speaker 15: We still don't know where she is.
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  Speaker 1: Months into this, Amanda had her own theory about what
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  Speaker 1: happened to Kelly.
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  Speaker 15: So basically, what I'm gathering is the abduction took place.
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  Speaker 15: Several men, up to four or five were out on
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  Speaker 15: this piece of land.
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  Speaker 8: They sexually assaulted her.
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  Speaker 15: And killed her.
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  Speaker 4: And buried.
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  Speaker 15: So that's what I have to prove. We have an opportunity,
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  Speaker 15: a true, true, opportunity to solve. God is working. God
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  Speaker 15: is working, and all of us are coming together in
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  Speaker 15: the right time. And I believe that that I am
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  Speaker 15: a very spiritual person, and I believe that if we
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  Speaker 15: play our cards right, and we do it the correct way,
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  Speaker 15: and we followed this path, We're going to find the answers.
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  Speaker 1: From Imperative Entertainment. I'm wes Ferguson. This is Deviltown. This
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  Speaker 1: is Chapter nine secrets. You know who probably has more
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  Speaker 1: information than anyone about the disappearance of Kelly Wilson. The
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  Speaker 1: cops in theory, at least when I started reporting on
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  Speaker 1: Kelly's story back in the spring, the Gilmer Police Department
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  Speaker 1: was among the first places I called. Then I emailed,
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  Speaker 1: dropped by, phoned, and emailed a few more times. I
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  Speaker 1: visited the station in person on two other occasions. The
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  Speaker 1: police chief was never around. No one ever responded to
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  Speaker 1: any of my interview requests. The Gilmer police froze me out.
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  Speaker 1: If they wouldn't comment, maybe I could look at their
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  Speaker 1: old reports see what they missed. I filed a request
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  Speaker 1: for public information relating to the case. The city of
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  Speaker 1: Gilmer fought my request.
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  Speaker 16: We feel this is the largest and most important unsolved
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  Speaker 16: case in the city, county, and possibly the state of Texas.
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  Speaker 1: That's from a letter the City of Gilmer wrote to
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  Speaker 1: the Texas Attorney General's Office asking to keep their records hidden.
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  Speaker 1: Their argument. To this day, police are still receiving and
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  Speaker 1: looking into leads about Kelly.
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  Speaker 16: It is the opinion of the department that any non
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  Speaker 16: law enforcement investigation may disrupt the ongoing investigation into the case.
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  Speaker 1: The Attorney General sided with the Gilmer police. They were
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  Speaker 1: allowed to withhold the information from me. I had also
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  Speaker 1: asked for police files that related to the case on
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  Speaker 1: Joe Henry, the former video store manager. I got back
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  Speaker 1: one page of information with basically nothing useful on it.
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  Speaker 1: On one hand, I get it, you're in law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: You're busy.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to deal with some out of town
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  Speaker 1: journalists poking around. But come on, they've had thirty years
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  Speaker 1: to work the case. I tried a few retired cops.
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  Speaker 1: Most didn't respond or flat out decline to comment. There
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  Speaker 1: was an important exception.
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  Speaker 14: My name is Richard Sprul and I was a volunteer
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  Speaker 14: chaplain here and then I went full time police officer here.
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  Speaker 1: Richard Sprule still lives in Gilmer way back when I
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  Speaker 1: was a newspaper crime reporter. I interviewed him several times
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  Speaker 1: about a bunch of unrelated cases. That's why Richard's name
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  Speaker 1: jumped out to me when I was reading old news
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  Speaker 1: stories about Kelly Wilson and Sergeant James York Brown, the
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  Speaker 1: Gilmer caught falsely accused of killing her. It turns out
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  Speaker 1: Richard and James Brown were tight.
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  Speaker 14: We were pretty close. We're pretty good friends. He was
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  Speaker 14: a very good police officer. He watched out for a
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  Speaker 14: lot around town.
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  Speaker 1: Richard says he never doubted for a second that James
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  Speaker 1: Brown was innocent in Kelly's disappearance.
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  Speaker 9: There was no question in my mind.
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  Speaker 14: Some of the times that they were making accusations against him,
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  Speaker 14: I was actually with him during those times, so I
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  Speaker 14: knew that there was no truth to some of that,
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  Speaker 14: And so because there was no truth to some of them,
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  Speaker 14: I just assumed there's probably very little truth to any
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  Speaker 14: of it.
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  Speaker 9: When the indictments.
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  Speaker 14: Came down, I was on the city Council and they
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  Speaker 14: called a special meeting executive session. So I can't tell
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  Speaker 14: you everything that was said in there, but it was basically,
• 18:57
  Speaker 14: we need to fire him.
• 18:59
  Speaker 9: We don't need this. Uh, we don't need this kind
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: of stuff on the city.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 19:03
  Speaker 14: I think it was decided that we would uh suspend
• 19:06
  Speaker 14: him with pay uh until further investigation.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Richard thought the decision to suspend James Brown was such
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a huge mistake he resigned his city council seat and protest.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Richard went on to tell me a story about a
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: member of the grand jury, this guy who later regretted
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: indicting James Brown. When he said, suddenly, this.
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: Friend, she's done these people wrong. A strong guy presented
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: any evidence.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: He had a big puppy with him. This really dogs
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: scrambled over to the countain where I was sitting.
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: That's why I pat him, he said.
• 19:38
  Speaker 14: And then they gave us a list of names and
• 19:40
  Speaker 14: said these are the people that did it.
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: And his statement was it got a little loud for
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: a second, would you mind? He said? Uh.
• 19:49
  Speaker 14: He said, they presented all the information about a black mass,
• 19:53
  Speaker 14: about a sacrifice, and that we were so amazed and
• 19:57
  Speaker 14: disgusted by all of this that if he had told
• 19:59
  Speaker 14: this Sam Claus had done it, we would have indicted
• 20:01
  Speaker 14: Santa Claus. And the worst part about this, it could
• 20:04
  Speaker 14: have been stopped at any time, and nobody was willing
• 20:07
  Speaker 14: to stand up and say stop.
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: Do you think anybody could have done that?
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 20:12
  Speaker 14: Absolutely, I mean the county commissioners had appointed the special
• 20:17
  Speaker 14: prosecutor and the special investigators. They could have said something.
• 20:21
  Speaker 14: The district judge could have said something. There were several places,
• 20:24
  Speaker 14: you know, the grand jury, if they had been instructed
• 20:28
  Speaker 14: on how grand jury is supposed to operate and what
• 20:31
  Speaker 14: they're looking for, they could have said something, but they weren't.
• 20:35
  Speaker 14: So that's what led to this big miscarriage of justice.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Richard was so outraged by the false charges against Sergeant
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Brown he actually joined the police department full time to
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: do more see if he could make a difference.
• 20:50
  Speaker 14: That was one of the reasons that I would decided
• 20:53
  Speaker 14: to go full time into law enforcement. That there was
• 20:56
  Speaker 14: no reason that think should that that type of a
• 20:59
  Speaker 14: miscarrier justice should ever happen with people watching it happen.
• 21:05
  Speaker 13: Do you remember what were the what was the most
• 21:08
  Speaker 13: promising lead of what actually.
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: Happened, Kelly?
• 21:12
  Speaker 14: There were there were two or three rumors that were
• 21:16
  Speaker 14: going around. Sergeant Brown had investigated these as leads. He
• 21:20
  Speaker 14: could never get anything definitive, could never get probable calls
• 21:25
  Speaker 14: on either one. One of them was that she had
• 21:27
  Speaker 14: attended a rave basically had ended up because of overdose
• 21:34
  Speaker 14: or whatever. That she died and the kids they're panicked, uh,
• 21:39
  Speaker 14: and went and hit her body. And that was that
• 21:43
  Speaker 14: was one of them. That was that he was really
• 21:46
  Speaker 14: strongly supporting the other one. Well, I don't know if
• 21:50
  Speaker 14: I want to get into that part or not, because
• 21:52
  Speaker 14: it involves a whole lot of other people that really
• 21:54
  Speaker 14: had nothing to do with it. Uh No, not not
• 21:58
  Speaker 14: so much. The curs as it was kell boyfriend at
• 22:02
  Speaker 14: the time.
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: Since passed away. Well, that's again part of it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 14: She actually had a boyfriend that was in West Point,
• 22:13
  Speaker 14: and while he was away in West Point, then she
• 22:17
  Speaker 14: was dating this guy that has since passed away. Here,
• 22:21
  Speaker 14: the allegation was that when the gentleman from West Point
• 22:28
  Speaker 14: was coming back for Christmas, that the guy she was
• 22:31
  Speaker 14: dating here, she told him, you need to stay away
• 22:35
  Speaker 14: and don't come around while he's here, because I have
• 22:38
  Speaker 14: a lot better future with him than I have with you.
• 22:40
  Speaker 14: So I'm going to be with him while he's home
• 22:43
  Speaker 14: on leave during the Christmas vacation and we'll see what
• 22:46
  Speaker 14: happens afterwards.
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: And so when he went back her disappearance. I want
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: to say he went back on the.
• 22:54
  Speaker 14: Second of January and her disappearance were just a couple
• 22:57
  Speaker 14: of days after that, and the idea was that the
• 23:01
  Speaker 14: guy who has since passed away got mad and whether
• 23:05
  Speaker 14: intentionally or accidentally, calls her death in some way.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I was able to track down the boyfriend who went
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to West Point. His name is Josh. He declined a
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: phone interview, but responded to questions via email. Josh says
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: he dated Kelly through most of her junior year when
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Josh was a senior. After he moved to New York
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to attend the military academy, they stayed in touch, even
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: though Kelly was dating other guys. Back home for Christmas break,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Josh says he met up with Kelly just once. You
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: might remember in episode one, Kelly's friend Michelle brought up
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the same meeting. It was the last time she or
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Josh ever saw Kelly. During their last hangout, Josh says
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: he and Kelly agreed to stay in touch and remain friendly,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: whether they remained a couple or not. Josh was already
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: back at West Point when he learned the news of
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Kelly's disappearance. He says he has fond memories of her
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and thinks about her off and the other so called
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: boyfriend was Chris d'on. We mentioned him earlier in the series.
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: Chris didn't did with cancer in his thirties.
• 24:09
  Speaker 17: He was once named publicly as the chiefs That's big,
• 24:11
  Speaker 17: but they never could apparently get the goods of them,
• 24:13
  Speaker 17: and even they were charged.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Police say Chris had a violent history.
• 24:18
  Speaker 14: There was a guy walking down the street and Chris
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: stabbed him in the back as they drove by.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But people who were friends with Chris and Kelly pretty
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: much all insist that they weren't a serious couple and
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Chris had nothing to do with Kelly's disappearance.
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: Bet your first easy target.
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: I've had a lot of long conversations with Chris and
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: there in my mind there's absolutely no way he could
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: have had anything to do with it that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 18: I talked to Chris on this on that night, and
• 24:50
  Speaker 18: I never understood why the police weren't interested in that.
• 24:54
  Speaker 18: I went to the police station and told them, I
• 24:56
  Speaker 18: know y'all are looking into Chris, but I was on
• 25:00
  Speaker 18: the phone with that and not a one person ever
• 25:03
  Speaker 18: talked to me about it.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: If it wasn't Chris Denton, the ex boyfriend. And then
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: there's somebody out there who ducked it and murdered Kelly Wilson.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Who's yeah, potentially after that, free to go out and
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: do it again.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: All right, Back to my interview with Richard, there was
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: something else I'd been wondering, something weird involving the Gilmer cops.
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: What about the theft at the police department of the files.
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: I wasn't here when that happened, so I don't know
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: that much about that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: On Halloween Night in nineteen ninety four, someone broke into
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the Gilmer Police Department and stole a bunch of the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: case files about Kelly Wilson. This was several months after
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: all the charges were dropped in the case against the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: group of suspects that included the Kerr family and James Brown.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: The break in went down between six point fifteen and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: eight fifty pm. The burglars came in through the sally
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Port door in the back of the station. They raided
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the patrol room and even the police chief's office, making
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: off with a total of five boxes, including personnel records
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and old patrol logs. Remember Melvin Dodd, the charter member
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: of the Justice for Kelly Wilson Committee. By random coincidence,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Melvin took his thirteen kids trick or treating across the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: street from the police station around the same time police
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: say the burglary occurred. Melvin's skeptical. He says, there were
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: a Jillian trick or treaters around, someone would have noticed.
• 26:33
  Speaker 19: It certainly didn't take place while tricker treating was going on, right,
• 26:38
  Speaker 19: it would have been impossible for to that was that
• 26:40
  Speaker 19: being detected. It was an inside job. There was too
• 26:44
  Speaker 19: much information in there. So all kinds of records just
• 26:48
  Speaker 19: disappeared from the face of the earth.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: The police wouldn't say how many documents were stolen, but
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: they did say that none of the files were original records.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: They were supposedly just copies of documents provided a special prosecutor,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Scott Lefford, during his investigation, which had ended nearly a
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: year earlier.
• 27:09
  Speaker 14: Okay, I know what you're talking about, now, I don't
• 27:12
  Speaker 14: That was kind of you know, kept between the chief
• 27:15
  Speaker 14: and Sergeant Brown as to what actually they were investigating on.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: That part of it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: Who would have been able to do that?
• 27:24
  Speaker 14: Who would have wanted to that? You know, why would
• 27:26
  Speaker 14: you want to do that. The only thing that I
• 27:29
  Speaker 14: could think of was that they felt that the case
• 27:32
  Speaker 14: was leading in a particular direction toward a particular person,
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: and they wanted to protect that person. Who Ever took
• 27:40
  Speaker 14: the case file, why else would you want it?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I really don't know. A news story in the Gilmer
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Mirror from nineteen ninety four states that police collected thirteen
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: fingerprints from the break in, but I've never heard of
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: anyone being arrested for it, and none of the news
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: articles clarify whether the back door had been left unlocked,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: or if someone had a key, or if the door
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: had been smashed in. You can speculate all day about
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: this one who knew enough about the police department to
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: quickly find Kelly Wilson's files when no one was around,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: but someone who maybe didn't realize the files were just copies.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: It's yet another weird little wrinkle in the Kelly Wilson saga.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I thanked Richard Sproule for his time.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Take care you.
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: Actually put who'd good time to come? Because that was
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: my son's dog. Our two dogs would have been all
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: over you. They just love people.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I love dogs, so would have been okay, okay. After
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: leaving Richard's house. I drove out of town into the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: country on the Cherokee Trace. Remember the Trace is the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: old winding road where the Kerr family lived when they
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: were wrongly accused of killing Kelly Wilson. Although many of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the Kurrs are dead now, a few of the family
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: members still claimed to live in a little house out there,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: according to the State Sex Offender Registry. I pulled into
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the unpaved driveway.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I'm outside the curves.
• 29:10
  Speaker 20: There's a bunch of no trespassing signs, so I hope
• 29:15
  Speaker 20: this goes okay.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: No one came to the door. I drove back into town.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Except for my interview with Richard. My reporting trip felt
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: like a bust. I pulled over beside the railroad tracks
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: and opened my laptop. I was sitting in the driver's seat,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: scrolling through my spreadsheet of people I still wanted to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: talk to, wondering what I should do next. Then out
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: of the corner of my eye, a man walked up
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: from behind my car. It was the same guy with
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the dog from Richard Sproule's house. He waved, so I
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: rolled my window down. This is what he said. I
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: know what happened to Kelly Wilson. So I'm parked by
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the tracks in Gilmer when this guy walks up to
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: my window and he drops this bombshell about Kelly Wilson.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think fast. I asked if he wants
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to get in my car. He comes around to the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: passenger side.
• 30:24
  Speaker 21: Now what I heard three black men whom he had
• 30:28
  Speaker 21: arrested for drug possession and they got off on their charges.
• 30:31
  Speaker 21: If they killed her because she was pregnant with his baby,
• 30:34
  Speaker 21: and all three of them raped her, beat her, killed
• 30:36
  Speaker 21: her in credit to the hogs.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I know for a fact I've heard from all three
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: of the guys. You're fucking kidding me. No, swear to God. Okay,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: so I.
• 30:46
  Speaker 21: Was pregnant with the baby and it would have ruined
• 30:49
  Speaker 21: his marriage.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: He named a well known person in Gilmour.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Are these guys still around?
• 30:53
  Speaker 21: Two of them are in prison now for other charges,
• 30:56
  Speaker 21: One of them is still around, One of them still sells.
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: Out here and down Really, well, what do you think
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: would happen if I tried to talk to them?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
• 31:09
  Speaker 21: They're great uncle is a very good friend of mine,
• 31:13
  Speaker 21: and he's the one who told me what happened and
• 31:16
  Speaker 21: told me how they did it, where they did it,
• 31:17
  Speaker 21: why they did it, And all three of the guys
• 31:20
  Speaker 21: at one point or another, we're at a barbecue at
• 31:22
  Speaker 21: his house and we're.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, that was us. I was like, no
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: fucking way.
• 31:25
  Speaker 21: I was like, why don't you say something about it
• 31:26
  Speaker 21: to somebody?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: You know, just that y'all know what happened to her? Yeah,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: And they were like, oh no, we're not get in
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: trouble for it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 21: Ain't no way.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Now do you mind telling me their names? I can't
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: do that, really, no, I can't. Who who else would
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I talk to you? That Mike might know more? If
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: you go into.
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: The park Vinegar Hill?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Do you know where that is? Okay? Shut over here?
• 31:55
  Speaker 21: There were people around, just start asking if they've heard anything.
• 31:59
  Speaker 21: It's kind of of where the dope houses are and everything.
• 32:01
  Speaker 21: And she was on heroin, real bad. They all sold heroin.
• 32:07
  Speaker 21: She was also tricking for money she was tricking with
• 32:11
  Speaker 21: when she got pregnant.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Would you mind showing me where Vinegar Hill is?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: It turns out this guy's name is Jared. He's Richard's son.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Following Jared's directions, we drive through downtown across a highway
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and come to a more run down neighborhood on the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: edge of Gilmour. There's overgrown brush everywhere, the streets narrowed
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to a single lane like tunnels through a leafy forest.
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: This park on the left is Vinegar Hill.
• 32:41
  Speaker 21: Here, everything around this is called Vinegar Hill.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, And do you think like later in the day
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: they people just kind of hanging.
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: Out there when we hang out all around there about
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: three o'clock.
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: Uh huh, okay, let me just make all.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Save it on mine.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Matt Jared have only been like seven years old when
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Kelly disappeared. The rumor he'd always heard was that someone
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: he knew sold drugs to Kelly and she overdosed.
• 33:10
  Speaker 21: And the rumor that I've heard for years was that
• 33:13
  Speaker 21: she od dope and that she was buried underneath the
• 33:16
  Speaker 21: floor of the church. But I was told by the
• 33:19
  Speaker 21: friend that's Mike, that's the that's by guy's great uncle anyway,
• 33:22
  Speaker 21: that that's.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Not what happened. Can we go see the uncle he
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: just left. He was at the house when you were there.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Really but no, I mean, he's not gonna talk about it.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: As he talked, Jared started kind of nervously squeezing this
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: disposable water bottle in his hands. That's the crinkling noise
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you hear.
• 33:44
  Speaker 21: The three guys and the great uncle are the only
• 33:46
  Speaker 21: ones they've ever said anything Jimmy, and they're the ones
• 33:48
  Speaker 21: who did it, So I don't know if anyone else
• 33:49
  Speaker 21: who could really say anything like that. I had never
• 33:53
  Speaker 21: even heard anything the rumors or anything about that until
• 33:56
  Speaker 21: he told me that day.
• 33:57
  Speaker 17: And then about three months after that, there was a barber.
• 34:00
  Speaker 22: And I met the first one and he was, you.
• 34:03
  Speaker 21: Know, just kind of nonchalant. Yeah, that's what happened, but
• 34:06
  Speaker 21: didn't go into detail.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I have to say, from the moment Jared sat down
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and started talking, I was skeptical. Some of his details
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: were off. Plus here in the American South, blaming random
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: black guys for violence against a white woman is a
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: little on the nose. But Jared knew a lot about
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the case, and even Kelly's friends think she might have
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: been pregnant. According to Jared, the slash tire was part
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: of the murder plot.
• 34:30
  Speaker 21: Flushed her tires so that she didn't have any choice
• 34:32
  Speaker 21: but to go out with someone else that were like
• 34:35
  Speaker 21: email presents, and supposedly she came to them a couple
• 34:40
  Speaker 21: of years ago and said that she couldn't hold it anymore,
• 34:42
  Speaker 21: and they said if she said something, they would kill her.
• 34:45
  Speaker 16: Hmm.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And that was the last tired about that. But I
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: don't know who she was. Oh, you don't know her
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: name or how to find out who she was.
• 34:51
  Speaker 21: No, but I know that she's the one who got
• 34:54
  Speaker 21: Kelly to come out with him.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: That not Oh my god. And she's had to live
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: with that ever since.
• 35:00
  Speaker 22: She knew what they were going to do to her,
• 35:01
  Speaker 22: she knew they were hired for it, everything like that,
• 35:04
  Speaker 22: and she did it for the dope. They gave her
• 35:07
  Speaker 22: some dope for getting Kelly out of the house and
• 35:09
  Speaker 22: get them to come with her.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: So, just to be clear, you're one hundred percent certain,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: That's what happened to ude.
• 35:19
  Speaker 17: This person would not have said anything unless that's what happened.
• 35:22
  Speaker 17: I mean, we're talking about a seven year old man.
• 35:24
  Speaker 17: He's not just going to be talking rumors and gossip.
• 35:26
  Speaker 17: And it was just straightforward, this is what happened. Don't
• 35:29
  Speaker 17: even talk about the rumors that you heard because they're
• 35:31
  Speaker 17: not true.
• 35:32
  Speaker 13: I was like, oh, okay, can you think of anybody
• 35:35
  Speaker 13: else who might be able to add something.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Like I said, go to Vinegar Hill anyway. All right, man,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: it was nice to meet you, Ed, Jared, nice to
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: meet you. I really appreciate you. Huh, take care well.
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: Shit.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I waited till three pm, then drove back to the park.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: It was deserted. I went back again and again every
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: time I was in Gilmer last summer. I never saw
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: any grown men hanging out, just some kids playing basketball.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Once Jared had actually given me the guy's name, I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: found a nearby address for him, but it was an
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: abandoned shack. I also called another guy, the one who
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: was accused by Jared of dealing drugs to Kelly shortly
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: before she vanished.
• 36:20
  Speaker 23: He told me, I mean, and he told me some
• 36:22
  Speaker 23: stuff that is just pretty wild. You had sold drugs
• 36:26
  Speaker 23: to Kelly on the day that she died? Did that
• 36:29
  Speaker 23: spring and Bow?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: This individual insisted he never sold drugs, and beyond that,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: was off to college the year Kelly disappeared.
• 36:37
  Speaker 23: Yeah, so he's just like completely off base. So you
• 36:41
  Speaker 23: you have no knowledge of what happened to Kelly?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: His answer, not at all. So I don't know. When
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Jared told me what he'd heard about Kelly, he didn't
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: seem like he was high or hallucinating at the time,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: but I have to say he didn't really strike me
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  Speaker 1: as the most credible person either. I reached out to
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Jared again the other day. It had been several months
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: since he knocked on my car window and we drove
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: around Vinegar Hill. I wanted to see if he stood
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: by his story.
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  Speaker 9: Hey, Jared, thanks for calling me back. How you been.
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  Speaker 21: How are you?
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: Oh, I'm good.
• 37:18
  Speaker 13: I just wanted just double check that you know you
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: had said that, you know your older friend had told
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: you that it was those three guys.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: I was not able to get in touch with with
• 37:33
  Speaker 13: any of those people. I went by that park several times.
• 37:37
  Speaker 22: I'm not given a name, but I've told you that before, and.
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: Your older friend.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to give me his name either.
• 37:43
  Speaker 21: No, No, just chick because he would be very mad
• 37:46
  Speaker 21: that I haven't said anything.
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: M hm.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: It was said to me in the complehensive anyway.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Thirty minutes after my conversation with Jared, he called me back.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: This time he had a prop. If I would give
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: him one hundred and fifty bucks to pay off a ticket,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: he tell me all the names and share their phone numbers.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I won't lie.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Part of me was kind a tempted, you know, I'm
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: not sure about the ethics of that as a journalist.
• 38:15
  Speaker 16: I'm okay, well, that's fine.
• 38:16
  Speaker 23: That's just the only way I could do it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I'm sad, but I'm gonna have to decline that that's fine.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I know what it's like to be in a.
• 38:24
  Speaker 13: Jam, though, so I feel you.
• 38:26
  Speaker 22: You're cool.
• 38:27
  Speaker 21: I was just gonna let you know.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I don't know about Jared. After this, we're
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: down to the last episode of Deviltown. I want to
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: take a closer look at Chris Denton and also check
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: in with Amanda the Private Eye. There's been a shocking
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: development in Kelly's case, one I haven't even had time
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: to mention yet. We're going to take a two week
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: break to give me time to get out there and
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: do some more important reporting, and hopefully we'll have more
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: answers by the time we're back. Deviltown is a production
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: of Imperative Entertainment. It was written and created by me
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Wes Ferguson. Executive producer is Jason Hoak, Audio engineering and
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: editing by Shane Freeman and Jason Hoak. Original score is
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: by Robert Ellis, recording by Austin Sisler at east Side Studios.
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  Speaker 1: If you like the show, leave a review, and don't
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: forget to tell your friends thanks for listening.