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Ep.43 | Demystifying Intuition & Energetics; a Much Needed Practical Approach with Coach & Consultant, Michael Sipe · Curiously Guided Podcast

• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Curiously Guided Podcast, the place for intuitive business owners and curious minds.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: We're your hosts, Mariah and Shay.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: And today, in this episode, we're talking with a good friend of mine, Michael Saipe.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: And he is just, he's the fucking coolest, honestly.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we got connected a couple months ago, and I kind of talk about how we got connected in the beginning of the episode.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: But basically, what me and Shay really enjoy about this episode and about Michael's genius is his practical, tangible, like really grounded approach to demystifying intuition and energetics.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: So Michael went from being like super corporate focused, having a military background, being super, what is it, left brained?
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Is that left brained?
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_03: I always get him confused.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever the logical side of the brain is.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, whatever, whatever that side of the brain is.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you went from being primarily like super strategic to then after stepping in and like working with people in leadership coaching, seeing that like even people in the corporate world, the big wigs, the people like behind the curtain of these big corporations are having some trouble and need some help with their intuition.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: And Michael just explains and just gives really grounded examples and breaks down energetics in a way that's really like, oh shit, this is really approachable, but also the examples just allow for a lot of aha moments.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like in this episode, I remember him talking about the difference between two things.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh shit, that reminds me of like seven different things.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it just allows for a different perspective for healing to happen.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I do feel like in this episode, we do kind of bounce around a little bit because energetics and intuition is it's kind of a broad topic here.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: But our focus was really like, yo, how the fuck did you go from a rigid, structured way of being to then being more curious and collaborative?
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like that, that right there is kind of the juice.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: So this episode, I just I can't stop thinking about how helpful it is, truly.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it really broadened my mind to like the stuff that you and I are talking about is the exact same style of stuff that Michael is helping his, you know, like Fortune 500 CEOs with, you know, this idea of using compassion and curiosity to be a stronger leader is not just for the woo, you know, it's not just for the like hippie-dippbies.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's literally everyone is like really realizing, oh no, this is real.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_04: There's data behind it, and we can kind of do this from a demystified place that's really grounded and centered.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_04: And Michael is like, that's why we wanted to have him on is to just have a really like down-to-earth conversation about how do we as real humans tap into this power and use it to our benefit and growing our careers and businesses and being better leaders, whatever that looks like.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, one theme that really resonated with me, we talked a lot about emotions.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_04: And, you know, um, honestly, a lot of us grow up not really knowing what to do with emotions.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we're all taught, especially I think, um, some of our biggest leaders, that emotion, if you show emotion, that can show weakness.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_04: So I think a lot of us are our natural reaction just kind of like stuff it down.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_04: And in this episode, we really get into the power of your emotions, how how to actually express your emotions in a healthy way.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_04: And in one thing I've I've learned since the episode is just um why this happens.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_04: And so it made sense to me to kind of think like in caveman times, it was really important to like be part of the tribe and be accepted.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_04: And if you were this like hyper-emotional thing that was always sticking out and grabbing attention, that could literally threaten your survival.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_04: So we have this survival protection mechanism and program running in us on a deep level.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_04: Some of us do, that emotions may not be safe, and it may not be safe to show them.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_04: And this is something that I personally really resonate with, and I'm working on myself right now.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_04: So I really loved, you know, Michael's uh everything.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_04: I loved that we were able to nerd out in a lot of different directions, but particularly a talk around like emotions and and how to use them as data points.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and Mariah gives a really great example of how she processes emotions, and it was just very, very healing for me.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_04: And I've been thinking about it and obsessing about it since then.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_04: So I hope that it sparks something for y'all too.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um, with that, let's get into Michael's bio.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_04: So, Michael Saipe is a recovering Navy and airline pilot who frequently searches for the perfect longboard wave to surf.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yet during his busier moments, he helps entrepreneurs upskill their productivity and find a sense of life fulfillment by integrating spirituality into their business.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_04: Michael is the owner of SIPE Coaching and Consulting and the COO of the Strategic Advisor Board, a small business consulting firm.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_04: With that, let's dive in.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: Michael, thanks so much for coming on the podcast today.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're super excited to have this conversation.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's well, I kind of already know that it's going to be great because a little bit of background here.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: So me and Michael actually got connected because I give every week I get an email with like a roundup list of podcasts for me to like pitch myself to.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: And to be honest, I think I've pitched myself to maybe three of them in the past year.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then I saw Michael's come through and it was what's the name of the podcast again?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Energy of Business Moments Podcast.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, and all the listeners can already tell what piqued my curiosity about that one.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I clicked on it and I kind of just pitched myself.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I don't know, fuck it, let's just do it.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then he was like, Oh my God, this is great.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Emailed me back, then we ended up scheduling.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: And he usually does shorter little podcast episodes where they're like, what is it, like 20, 20 to 30 minutes long, maybe?
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then I think we ended up going 45 minutes, and then maybe we wanted to go a little bit longer.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I think right on the spot, I was like, I haven't really talked to Shay about this yet, but like, you want to come on my podcast?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think that this, I think that this conversation is great.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you so much for saying yes.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited to see kind of where where this conversation goes.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's gonna be, I think it's gonna be really great.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, you know, that energy that we built in that connection.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then listening to some of your other podcasts and and Shay, your part in in this just got me really giddy and like excited.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, I cannot wait to get on this show.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we're gonna have an awesome time.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, who knows where it's gonna go, but I am really thrilled because it's just there's a meeting of the minds, and this will be pretty interesting.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, fuck yeah, fuck yeah.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so Michael, you kind of started more in like the corporate side of things, doing like leadership coaching for executives, and obviously correct me if I'm wrong.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but coming from that corporate side of things, and now you're kind of moving more into like the life coaching side, but like the way that you were helping the executives and leadership coaching started dabbling in like intuition and things like that, which when me and Shay talk about it, I guess when we think about leadership coaching for executives and the corporate style, we think that those people are like anti-intuition, like they're just like intuition, there's no ROI there.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: And like we're just curious about like how did this all unfold?
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, the quick answer to people who say, Oh, yeah, corporate men should not, or people at the top don't have intuition.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Don't forget that Steve Jobs said intuition is more powerful than intellect.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: So really, oh yeah, okay, cool.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: So when you when somebody pushes back to me and says, like, hey, I don't think intuition plays a role here, it's not that's too woo or whatever.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay, well, then you're going against Steve Jobs.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: And do you feel like he had any role in making Apple successful?
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: And do you want to do that with your own company?
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so so that's the pushback, right?
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because it is valuable.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: But to answer your bigger question of like, yeah, corporate to this sort of life life coaching kind of aspect of it.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, my background is I was a military guy and then I got an engineering degree.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was super left-brained, uh, very focused on like getting things done, problem solving, that analytical mind.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: And uh as I grew and did my career and and moved up and did big consulting projects and things like that, uh, I was brought in for the leadership side of it.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: But the leadership side I found wasn't the problem solving and and managing the tasks.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: It was actually like getting people to do things that they didn't want to do or building teams and getting a collaborative culture going.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: So uh I found that actually I was coaching, I was helping people at a personal level more than I was helping on the getting things done level.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and so that led me into, yeah, okay, well, I'm gonna coach leadership.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where I transitioned into because that was just natural.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: I found that's what I was doing with most of my time.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: But um, the more I got into it, you'd be surprised how many people would privately say to me, like, hey, um, I'm struggling with this issue I have with my wife at home.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm I'm forced to like go into like heavy drinking and I just I can't deal with the pressure at home.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd be like, where is that coming from?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so for some reason, I was presenting them with a hey, this guy is somebody I can talk to about a personal challenge I have.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I found that wow, that's really kind of my strength is actually working with people on their relationships, either relationships with colleagues, with their boss, with a spouse, with a sibling, like all of those relationship issues that come up.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's a little bit about you know how I transitioned out of that sort of rigid corporate military structure into something that's very right brain.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: It seems like you were really following your curiosity there of just like being curious about where this was coming from.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I I kind of just want to put a spotlight on this really quick.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you're if you can hold a safe space, especially for men, it's so fucking needed, especially for dudes.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I guess I'm just reflecting on like all the guys in my life, and it's like I don't know.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think the like in my relationship with Andrew, I think I might be the first person that can actually just hold space.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I've just seen how he's grown through our relationship from me being able to do that.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then I look at my dad and my brothers, and I'm just like, it is so needed because like most females, like we, I don't know, it's natural to us for me to call a friend and be like, yo, this is what's happening, this is how I'm feeling, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Or like we get together and instead of going play golf, we talk about what the fuck is happening.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: We just talk because I don't know, it's just what we enjoy doing.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I just think that it's very needed for the dudes.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, you know, the the point there about like being needed.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: The interesting thing for me is being an engineer, right?
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm programmed into thinking like, how do I solve this problem?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: And and yet here's this riddle of men keeping things within themselves and not sharing and not opening up.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: And and yet they feel the same things we do.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, they're feeling the same things they felt 500, 1000, 2000, or 3,000 years ago.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Those feelings haven't changed.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's just in today's society, we can't show that or we can't show it as much as we used to.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now we're we're getting better at it, but but the riddle for me is more like, hey, what are the ways to create that space?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: What's the way to create that bond?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: What's the way to create that openness and dialogue that they can like relate to?
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so that it's not something that's like way out there, that actually it's something that they can use and and work with and bring into their life.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: So, your your point about Andrew, like giving that him that space, um, yeah, it would be great if we could do that even more for other people.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, as I was reading through um your information, Michael, there was one phrase in particular that jumped out at me.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm wondering if that relates to this.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_04: You wrote something about the problem with vulnerability.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_04: Can you take us there?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_04: What does that mean?
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, so when we think of vulnerability, right, we think of Brene Brown and how she like pioneered that space of vulnerability and being vulnerable.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: And and and so that's wonderful because what we're doing is we're getting in touch with our feelings.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're being able to be allowed to express those things that maybe we aren't supposed to because society says we're not supposed to, or our parents told us we're not supposed to.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or maybe we're like fearful that somebody's gonna jump down our throat because we're sharing that information, right?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: So so that's great to help that because the awareness of those problems or those challenges helps us tap into, hey, everybody else is out here.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: I I can reach out and maybe get some help.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: So that's great to talk about vulnerability.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: But the problem that I see sometimes is that when somebody is sharing with us, then sometimes we will say to them after they said something, we might say, like, oh, thank you for being being vulnerable.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's not what needs to be uh highlighted and thanked.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: What they need to be thanked for is thank you for being open and being strong to share something you weren't feeling strong about sharing about.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that took guts, that took something to be able to do that.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: So so when we are in that space where somebody's sharing something that we might think is vulnerable, they may not think that.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so we're passing judgment on them that they're that they're um weak or that they're you know, they've got a problem or they're different or whatever.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's the caution I have about about vulnerability.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Holy shit.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: I I never, I guess, like as you were saying it and uh as you said the word like thanks so much for being vulnerable.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: My insides were just like that.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like I never really noticed that energetic feeling that I guess I get when people say that.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, I'm I'm sure that I've said that in the past that people have like, thanks so much for that.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: But it feels like belittling, it feels like you're talking to a kid about like, good job, Jimmy, you did X, Y, and Z.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, uh, can you meet me with a similar openness?
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: Can you validate that that feeling is normal?
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's what they really want.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's what when we share with somebody, we want to be validated.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: We want to acknowledge that feeling and say, hey, that's normal.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: And gosh, if I were in that space, I'd be the same way.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank God, it's not just me.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: That I remember when I first started therapy years ago, just having someone say that makes sense was like mind-blowing to me.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_04: I felt just like it was it sounds so simple, but I felt so supported.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_04: And now I bring that in.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_04: I do think there's something powerful about validating people where they are with what they're feeling, and just sitting there with them.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I appreciate you talking about like I'm doing some work around like gifts, you know, and in this world, I've noticed that I'll have sales calls with people and they're telling me their deepest life secrets.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, how did we get here so fast?
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_04: And I didn't realize, you know, that is like a genius that some of us have.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_04: For me, it's always come naturally, like people have always just like strangers are coming up to me, sharing things.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's always happened like that.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_04: But you I've appreciated you reflecting on that as like, no, that's like a gift I have and I bring to this world.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: And and I'm wondering about the pivot for you.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_04: So that is very different from military engineer left brain.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_04: What did it look like for you?
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_04: I also would probably call myself, I've done the journey from maybe left to right or bridge the gap, perhaps.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um, what'd that look like?
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_04: How was that like working through?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_04: Like, all right, was there I'm imagining there's some like identity shifting stuff?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_04: Cause it's like, I am an engineer.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_04: I look at the world in black and white.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_04: So, how did you start yourself to pivot more into the intuitive space?
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there that's a really good question.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: And you're talking about gifts before and like recognizing your gift, and and oh, hey, that is kind of a gift.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm creating a space for somebody.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: So the the I think for me, what was interesting was I had always had these little feelings like being empathic, like I just kept it bottled inside of me.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: I recognize it, but I didn't do anything with it.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I had these skills from for a long time, but society or just the structure of the organization I was a part of didn't really allow for it.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but as I moved along and started meeting people and trying to like listen a little better, it was listening for what was behind what they were saying.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, why were they talking about that past experience, what like what that past accomplishment was?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, maybe it actually is their way of validating themselves and saying, oh, I'm competent at what I'm doing.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: And and so the more I was listening to the why they were saying it, like Simon Sinek talks about, like why were they saying that?
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Then I started like paying attention to the person.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it went from the topic to the person.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where I was like, well, if I'm how do I learn more about that?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where I found out about the energy leadership coaching.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: And energy is defined as the thoughts we think plus the emotions attached to those thoughts, and then the behaviors or actions we take because of that thought and that emotion.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: So for example, okay, if somebody said to you, like, hey, that copy you wrote last week is awful, like what's the potential thought?
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you can have a whole bunch of different thoughts and emotions attached to that.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: But what if you're like, okay, my thought is wow, I that was wrong.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: I did that wrong.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Then the emotion might be like embarrassment.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then the behavior or the result or the action from that might be like our face flushes, or we get defensive, or we get combative.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how dare you say that it was wrong?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: That was my best ever.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so the thought plus the emotion plus the behavior and action, that drives our personal energy level.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: And once I got taught that, that's when I begin like, oh, it was like the heavens opened up.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like I can understand why people are saying what they're doing because I zero in on their energy.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then for you guys, like I'd be curious, like, you know, when with your human design and study of the personality and how that's developed, like there's an interesting play between a personality and then the moment in the moment of the energy that they're bringing.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: So what what do you guys think?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um my brains are scattered on the wall.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: I love when you give examples of these fucking levels because I'm just like, yeah, yeah.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think that it's all fascinating, right?
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's all interwoven because if one system or if one framework answered all of the questions of life, we would all be bored.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's like, I feel like there's different tools and different frameworks and different resources for people at different levels where they're at, and like different ways of explaining it.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: And when me and Michael had a call, so I could learn more about like the energy levels and everything.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, this gives like concrete, tangible information and words to things in a way that I haven't seen before.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that it's so helpful, especially when we're talking about like a situational or like a direct conversation where you can be like, oh, that is reminding me of this, which is reminding me of that.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I just think that it's like a really tangible tool to be able to see things like that.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that was a big um aha moment for me too, Michael.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_04: I learned about that concept in a slightly different way, but I think it's similar.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_04: Have you heard of the idea of like have do be and then be do have?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_04: Does that make sense?
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_04: So it's a cycle.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_04: So a lot of us approach life as like, I have to have this before I can do this, before I can be that person.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_04: But really, we need to flip it.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_04: Who do I need to be?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: And then how does what does that person do?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_04: And I might be flipping these around, but it's all about starting with who you are, right?
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_04: And so, and I love like it connects my thoughts, my feelings, and my actions.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_04: And I saw a really powerful coaching example where she took somebody and she's like, What's the thought?
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_04: What's the feeling?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_04: What action is that causing?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_04: And she's like, Okay, now what do you want that action to be?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_04: It really gives you a nice framework to like see how thinking is related to like real life results.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: And so I really, really love that.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, honestly, Michael, to be selfish, I am excited to have you on this podcast to talk about energy in particular because I feel like the energetics of business.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: This is really, really powerful.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_04: It's a really strong tool we can leverage.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's something that's difficult to talk about because it immediately, when I start talking about all the energy, people get immediately like, that's too loo.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_04: You know, like, and so I really appreciate you have a very grounded perspective and way of explaining things.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_04: Would you mind?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_04: Like, for me, even just hearing like the energetics behind things can be a little like fluffy.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_04: Would you mind telling us like what is energy to you and like how have you been using it in your work?
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good question.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: So for people that don't know, there's uh the energy is defined again as the thoughts plus the emotions plus the actions or behaviors we take.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so there are two types of energy, personal core energy, and that is the catabolic, where it's a destructive negative kind of energy, and there are two types.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's the anabolic, the positive or building kind of energy.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so, for example, um in business, if you have a sales team, what are they taught?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: They're taught that, hey, when you talk to a customer, understand what their pain point is.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what's the pain?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's some sort of emotional pain, like, you know, hey, I can't get my baby to sleep at night.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: So how do I find a product that will allow them to sleep at night?
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: So you've identified the pain point, but more importantly, it's not just the fact that the baby can't sleep at night, it's because the mom doubts that she's able to be a good mother to be able to get the baby to have a normal life and sleep well.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: So the pain point carries a certain amount of energy.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's an emotion there, fear of judgment, fear of not being a good mom, whatever, whatever that concern is, right?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's an energy.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: That right there is the energy.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then it manifests in different ways.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: So sales teams are taught to like, hey, understand what the pain is, and then talk about how our product or how our service is gonna solve their pain point, right?
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the obvious example of it.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: But then the flip side is like, okay, well, what if you're a boss?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: What if you have a bunch of employees under you?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're taught to be not just a manager, but to be a leader.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what does a leader mean?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, a leader means that you can relate to your people, but either people next to you as a colleague so that you can share, or maybe be inspiring to your employees.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: So the part about inspiring employees, I mean, you have to get in touch and get to know them and getting to know their challenges.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: And that goes back to the part you were talking, we were all talking earlier about listening.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Are we acknowledging and validating their struggles?
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: If they are like really frustrated that one of the vendors or suppliers that's supposed to get stuff to their company in time to make the next product is late and they've been late for 20 times.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, understanding and giving them the ability to vent, and then, oh, by the way, hey, how can we help you?
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: How can we come up with a way to solve this problem?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you've actually got a solution already.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's talk, let's hear it.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so creating that energy where you can say, hey, I have an employee who has that challenge and they came up with a solution on their own.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna now acknowledge that because they were being creative.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: They tapped into a way of solving something, and I want to support that, I want to encourage that.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna reward them.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: I might tell the other team members, hey, look what Jane did.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like she got thought outside the box and came up with this solution.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: And and so we're fostering an environment where we're rewarding the energy behind on the positive side.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: So so that's an example of sort of the negative energy and then the positive energy.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and then I think the next part of this, you're doing it with your finger, is like there's a a momentum being built, right?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_04: In one direction or the other.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're different energy levels.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, so for example, um, you know, level three is the one just out of being catabolic.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: There's still a little bit of catabolic energy, but level one and two are the the negative ones, it's the the victim or the anger, the fighter, fighter, um, you know, fight mode.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: But then level three is a sense of responsibility.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: Level four is compassion.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: So when we start thinking less about ourselves and thinking more about others, we have the opportunity to be compassionate.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh level five is like, okay, hey, we're all in this together.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: So how can we team together?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: How can we collaborate and work together?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because we we see ourselves as a team.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: But as you're talking about spiraling up, level level six is where we start tapping into our intuition because we're we've enlarged our consciousness to more than just the immediate people around us.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: We're starting to see the whole world.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: We're starting to open up and become more conscious of everything else.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's when we start talking tapping into the non-local intuition where, hey, where did that idea come from that was completely out of the blue?
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like getting in that space where we are calm and like doing a meditation before a podcast would be a perfect example of creating that level six where you can have wonderful inspiration come in.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then level seven is like this ultimate, like uh, you know, super creative, like there's nothing good or bad, just everything is as it is for a reason and being at peace with it.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the problem with that in business is like you can become very aloof, you can miss some of the challenges and not acknowledge that those challenges are something need to be dealt with.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, so there's some advantages and disadvantages for each energy level, but we fluctuate throughout the day.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you can think of ways we've fluctuate throughout the day with those energy levels.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm glad that you brought in the aloof part of it because in my head, I was like, you know, I did try to run a business like that where I was like, I'm just gonna stay up here, and then I was like, I'm floating away, somebody grab my ankle.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's fucking over.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: I need to be grounded back down.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I think also the awareness of like, just like we fluctuate in emotions every day, we fluctuate in energy levels, and it's not good or bad.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's just fucking human.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's just the way that it was created on this earth.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I've said it before in the podcast like, imagine if we knew exactly like all of the answers that we were searching for.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: We knew exactly why we came to this earth, what our gifts were, what we had to do.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: How fucking boring.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Our minds would be so bored that it'd be like, yo, this literally feels like I'm playing a video game that I like beat when I was five.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm tired of this video game.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why I think that there's so many things that are interconnected and a little bit more um expansive and more harder to pin down, even with language, because it's like that's how it's supposed to be.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: We're not supposed to have the answer of life at our fingertips.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's the journey of being able to figure it all out.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: But what I did want to kind of just put a spotlight on here for a second is when you were defining leader, you use the word relate.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think that I've ever heard that defined with that word before.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: But especially as we're moving into, I don't know, I like to say that like the world is shifting, but in a way that puts more emphasis on like us taking our personal power back.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: And like leaders need to lead in a different way than they've done in the past.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that that's a really good word to throw in there of like, how can we relate?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because we can't collaborate, we can't really connect without relating to each other.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess I just think of like old bosses that I've had before, and I'm like, maybe I can't define like they were technically a leader, but I can't actually define them as a leader because they never wanted to relate, never could relate, couldn't be at that space of like actually being a true grounded and empowered leader.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: I guess those are the words that I want to put before leader that kind of maybe expresses new way of leading.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I just think that using that word relate, it's such a small word with so much power behind it.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're you're absolutely correct.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: And and way to pick up on that point because for relating, we're relating to other people, just like you were saying, like everything is kind of happening for a reason, like there's a bigger picture going on.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: And who are we to judge somebody else's life?
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: So if we can understand, like, oh yeah, um, they they have a reason for doing that.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, now I can relate to it, right?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: And now I can understand that's the way that person is, either personality-wise, or that's their tendency, or oh my gosh, they were raised to do that, or they went to a certain school and that's how they were trained.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if we understand why they're doing something the way they're doing it, then that gives us an opportunity to, as a manager, be a leader and go, okay, do I need to put a new training program in place for this person so that we can get them to where we need them to be in performance?
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: Or is it no, like maybe they're not geared for sales.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they actually would be great at customer service.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: So they've got some great talents, but maybe they're just not aligned in the right spot.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll just move them over here because oh my gosh, I found out that they really like talking to people and they're really good and making people feel good.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe customer service would be a perfect spot for them.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: So, so your part part about relating is when we can relate, then we can see opportunity as a leader for where our people can be aligned and then where they can contribute the most.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think that those are really good examples.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I I do want to bring this up just because we've talked about it in a previous conversation that we've had kind of off camera, but these um levels that you're talking about, this was kind of a huge aha moment for me is when you made the connection that compassion and empathy are different.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Can you kind of talk about the difference between those?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because I that was like a huge like aha moment for me.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: So for those who don't know, the energy level four is the concern level.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so typically the emotion that comes out of that, generally speaking, is compassion.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: So compassion is, you know, caring for that other person, right?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: But empathy is appreciation or pathos for that situation or where that person is at the moment.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, relating, right?
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, both are fine, both are good.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing good or bad about either one, it's just that they're different.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, so what that translates into is in compassion, you might see another employee or coworker, and you might be like, hey, um, you're having a challenge with that.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: I want to help you.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that's a compassionate tendency that we might have.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: But if you realize, oh, that person has got some karma that they've been bringing with them for most of their life.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: And what's manifesting right now, that problem that they're having right now, is because of all that karma or because all those choices they made previously in life leading up to that moment.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so maybe I can appreciate that they're going through this challenge right now because of that.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe I don't need to help them, but I just need to acknowledge that that's where they are, and that's the empathetic piece.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: And if they, you know, you want to help them become aware, okay, that's one thing.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: But if you want to help them, that's a different, different thing.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the difference there between empathy and and compassion from what I've seen.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess I just uh think about it in terms of my brother.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: So, like me and my brother are like technically very close.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I have compassion for where he is and who he is and everything like that, but it was really shifting our relationship, or at least um allowed me to create empowered boundaries when I moved from compassion to empathy when I was like compassion, because I would fucking spend all my time trying to put out fires that weren't mine, and you get burnt out, but yeah, I'm like lighting myself on fire at that point.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, oh my god.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: So moving from compassion, where it's like, I don't need to help you.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: This is like this is your shit to figure out, but not in like a this is your shit to figure out, no, but in like a uh I love you so much that I think that you're gonna be able to figure out where you need to grow and how you need to grow.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: And like me just being there and being myself and like holding space if he needs it is good enough.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need to come in and save the day anymore.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and so what you are doing right there, you are empowering your brother.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Now, well, here's debatable on some levels.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Debateable Noelle's yeah, debate probably, but but here's here's this here's the thing, though, right?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: Is is um sometimes people are choosing to be a victim and they are it we know how our neuroscience, like you guys have studied neuroscience, we are wiring our brain every time we think the same thoughts and the emotions, and we make those neural nets stronger, right?
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: So that's our default program.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so if we want sympathy from somebody else, and we are craving sympathy because that's the drug that we're wanting internally in our brain, then we're gonna latch on to that sort of victim or I lose or I need help mentality so that we can draw in the compassion to feed as the drug to feed the the desire for sympathy.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: So if we're cutting that off, we're actually helping them potentially.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: And then more importantly, we're saying, okay, well, what are you gonna do about it this time, big brother?
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what what can you do to shift out of that?
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh wait, you're not gonna help me?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, I think you got it.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you think I can do it?
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think you can do it.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, maybe I can do this.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so so that's the power of empathy, is is is being able to get people to see that hey, that they can change themselves, that they can be empowered to to shift their out of where they are energetically.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: And in a family dynamic, it is very difficult.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: I will say that.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: It is multi-complex and multi-layered.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I would say that um that was just a big aha moment for me.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was just seeing the difference between them, and I guess like how I needed to take personal responsibility for how I was kind of fueling the fire and lighting myself on fire.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I so I I do have a question in terms of making decisions.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Do you use this to help people make decisions?
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because, like, obviously, as business owners, we have this podcast, a lot of our listeners are business owners, and we have a lot of decisions to make.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: And like, we're leaders of our own business, even if we don't have employees.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: We're like the leader of, I don't know, ourselves and our mission, right?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: And our passion and whatever that means for us.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: So can you kind of dive into just like decision making?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: How can we make it easier on ourselves?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Is there tools?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Is there ways to think about things that could maybe uh ease decision analysis, paralysis or something?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it really depends, obviously, on the type of person, but um, and and how you approach solving it.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: But but I I I I was just talking to a guy this morning on a call and explaining to him about how to make better choices for he was changing careers, and so he was evaluating some job offers.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: And and so I said, Hey, stop stop being a dude, stop thinking like, okay, pros and cons, stop being so left-brained.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about how you would feel if you were in that job.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: How would you feel as a person in that position?
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: And and so he started rattling off more pros and cons.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, no, no.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: How would you feel?
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, would you like getting up out of bed in the morning to go to that job?
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, oh, oh, I see what you mean.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: So we we started talking about like what were the emotions he'd feel about that and and why?
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so, so what um so what it was was okay, we're gonna lose, use our left brain, we're gonna use the logical side, and then we're gonna tap into our emotions.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, are we fearing something?
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: Are we fearing that we're not gonna make enough money doing that particular new venture?
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's a big risk.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's actually some fear here.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: So we're not gonna choose it because of that fear.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the emotion behind it, positive or negative, is needs to we need to be aware of.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then the third thing uh is that curiosity, it's that intuition.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, so that's where I say, okay, to be holistic about our decision making, we need to think about the logical side, we need to think about the emotional side, and we need to think from an intuition perspective.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: What does our gut say?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like what when you first heard the idea, what was your gut instinct?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: And and then you moved on to start rationally thinking about whether it's going to work or not.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so you just turned off your intuition.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: So tuning into the intuition, and then the other part is you guys know is like when you get into that space where you've cleared things out of your mind, that's when non-local intuition comes in.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so if we can be at peace, then then we have access to the non-local intuition where you call it your, you know, it's your your guardian angel, whether it's your higher self, you know, whether it's God, you know, latch me, like who whomever, if that's who's communicating with you, or that's how you get communication, well, that that can be pretty powerful too.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: So so I say, like, hey, you can't do it every time, but but think about not just the logic side of your choice, but think about the emotion.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then if you're in a safe space mentally, then you're gonna be able to tap into your intuition.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: And quite often that intuition's spot on.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, Michael, you have a client come to you and say, so I've heard Steve Jobs really said intuition was important, and I feel really weak.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_04: I want to strengthen my intuitive muscles.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_04: What do you tell them to work on?
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so or um the best way I think to get people to do that is to ask them, hey, when was a time in your life where you were like, I knew it, I knew it, I made the wrong choice, but I knew it at the beginning.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, what was it that you knew?
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: Where did you feel it?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: How did you notice it?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then they and then each person's different, but I but they take them back to a previous example in their life.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well, what were you doing then?
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: How were you, were you sitting down, were you standing, were you were you in the shower, were you relaxing?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like, when did you when did you get that?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then how did it show up for you?
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: And and each, as we know, like you can't potty train all at the same time at like a year and six months.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like you, everybody's different.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: So everybody's intuition access is a little different, but you know, for a lot of people, um, the heart will sense it first.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: We walk into a room and we can feel the energy of a room, right?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: And and it's our heart, you know, we've got 40,000 neurons in our heart.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's a mini brain, and it's got an electromagnetic field around it.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so if we walk into a room and we feel something, that's our heart feeling it.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then it sends a signal up to our brain, and then our brain sends it down to our gut and we feel it actually in our gut, but it was our heart that sensed it.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: So, so it's all happens obviously in a fraction of a second, but for a lot of people they say, yeah, that's why we call it gut instinct.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's because we're we're tapping into, you know, something just doesn't feel right or something felt amazing.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like the moment I heard it, like I knew.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, how did you know?
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I probably felt it down here.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, those are some ways that that I try to help on the intuition side.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_04: What a fantastic uh we really love tangible, like, okay, what would you say exactly?
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_04: And that was it.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_04: That was so good.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_04: And I really there's something powerful about making your own bank of possibilities, like your own examples of, oh, that was a moment I had an intuition strike, and then connecting it with a feeling.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_04: And this is how I felt.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_04: I love that question.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_04: Where did where'd I feel it in my body?
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, oh yeah, like that is so good.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_04: And if you can reconnect with that, you're like, oh yeah, this I think people think like intuition is something you have or you don't have.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_04: And so when you can go through and think of those times, and I think intuition signals for people differently, and Ryan can speak more to that than I can.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_04: Like human design can give you some insights into how you get your intuitive hits.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_04: But like, I there's something really cool about reminding yourself of in the past, this is how this has shown up for me before.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_04: And then that makes it that much easier to notice it when it's happening in your life or opportunities to practice, you know.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and that's how we learn, right?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: So, so we there's a part of our brain that makes association.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so we can read a textbook, we can sit in the classroom and get a lecture, but it doesn't really sink in until we make that association.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so, so you can do it in the moment, like you can take.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Take a life lesson that's front and center, like in your face, and go, Hey, how are you feeling right now?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, I didn't notice, but now I'm noticing.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: So you can do it in the moment, or you can actually go into the past and pull an example from the past to make that association.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: But it's so important to take the idea and associate it with something that is meaningful, like you said, to the person.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_04: The emotion.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I teach a lot about sales and kind of modern selling.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_04: And it and I'm always surprised, everything comes back to your why.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_04: What's the why?
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_04: Simon Cinex, start with why.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_04: And then the other thing is the emotional piece.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_04: And so what we're learning about selling, it's all emotion.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_04: We've spent all of history thinking people are making logic decisions when they're buying.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: No, they're not.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: It's all emotion.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_04: And leadership, it's the same thing.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's like there's this deeper level.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_04: And so I love everything you've said.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_04: You've always connected it back to how does it feel?
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_04: And how does it feel in your body?
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_04: And that sounds so basic, but I don't feel like that's a skill that's taught ever, you know.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I just surely didn't learn that at school.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, not at all.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you think of ancient traditions and they definitely did it back then.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Why are we not doing it now?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: And and maybe it's part of this, like there's some people that believe that we're moving out of a sort of a masculine period into a more of a feminine period.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really this awakening to the getting in touch with ourselves.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: And this isn't like woo-woo, like touchy-feely stuff.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, this is like tangible.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: It actually can be.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's just that we've had this conditioning of stiff upper lip, like you can't take crap, like fight this, you know.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: And well, we throw all of that intuition, all that um energy of emotion and and feeling out the window.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: And no, you can't throw it out.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much information there.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_04: So many valuable data points.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so many.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: So we are in our third season of Curiously Guided, and there's nothing that fires us up more than making this podcast and hearing all the positive impacts it's having on our listeners.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Up until this point, this has been a pure passion project.
• 46:24
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• 46:28
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• 46:40
  SPEAKER_04: And if you want even a deeper dive, we're excited to offer.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna now um start doing some strategy sessions where you get both Mariah and I's brains on your business.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_04: And um, there's nowhere else in the world where you can we Mariah and I both don't work with people in such micro ways.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_04: So this is kind of a cool thing to get both of us looking at your business in kind of like a one-off strategy session.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_04: Just imagine us two and you together diving deeper on your business, marketing sales, and everything in between, um, all while filtering it through the lens of strategy energetics and energetics, which you know is our style.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_04: So if you want to learn more about what working with Mariah and I could look like, head on over to our website, curiously guided.com slash session, to get the details.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_04: We appreciate you so, so much.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_04: Now let's get back into the episode.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm just I guess thinking about my own personal experience about growing up in childhood, about like emotions were unsafe.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: They just were.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I remember being, it's funny because I think I've told a little bit of this story on the podcast before, but it's like when I was a kid, I remember like loud yelling has like always triggered me to cry, like always.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so my parents would like speak up and I would cry and they would be like, What are you crying about?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then I would just run upstairs.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: I remember my mom even sometimes being like, Go upstairs and you can come back down when you're done crying.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so to me, it was like crying is unsafe.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: People can't handle my emotions, and then of course, not ironically, it comes out in my relationship, right?
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like Andrew's very Capricorn, and he's just like, emotions logically, like he can like go through his emotions a little bit more logically than I can.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: Me, I'm just like crying, and he's like, Why are you crying?
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, haven't figured it out yet.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'll fucking let you know when I know because right now I don't fucking know.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like I remember growing up and like there was no safe space being held.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize that emotions were data points.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that it was it was weak.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: I was a weak child that was too emotional and sensitive and couldn't handle authority or people, whatever, like talking at a high level voice at me.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: I just fucking shattered.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so I do think strengthening this muscle, and like she said, it is such a simple question.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just the simple question of like, how would you feel?
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like you asked your client simply, it's a very simple question.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how would you feel in these roles?
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: And what is his initial reaction to list off more pros and cons because that's how conditioned we are to move away from the emotion.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, no, how would you feel?
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, Well, logically, I would feel that uh my bank account would increase.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, no, give me deeper depth than that.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: And like uh when I would hang out with my friends, it's like I remember I would always be the person to be like, Yeah, but how would you feel?
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how does that feel?
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: How did that make you feel?
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, at this point, I just sound like a therapist.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how does that make you feel?
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, but but truly, like, how does that make you feel?
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: And like when you ask somebody that question, when you're coming from a space of curiosity, they just open up.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: It just it's a question that just allows people to like, oh fuck, how how do I feel?
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like allowing them to put words to the things that are happening in their inner world.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I just think that it's it's such a muscle that really does need to be strengthened because that's where our power comes from.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: It does.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: We become more aware, right?
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: And we're we're increasing our consciousness when we do so.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I was thinking about like your parents yelling at you and then you running upstairs to like, don't cry with us, you know, get out of here.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: You can come back when you're done crying.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, well, what you were reacting to, right, was their emotion.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: They were angry and they were angry at you, right?
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe that made you cry more because now mom and dad are angry at me, right?
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody hates me.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody hates me, right?
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I can't be emotional, right?
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so, how many generations has our civilization, at least Western civilization, been like reinforcing this idea that that you shouldn't have emotions?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: I, oh my gosh, guys, like I was just reading Harvard Business Review.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: There, they have a monthly publication, and they had an article in there about like how to hide how to uh control your emotions.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: So so that you don't, yeah, like it was a topic that was like the the title.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, no, no, no.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: What they were what I found was what they're saying is basically there are some negative emotions and you have to be aware of them.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: But what they were saying is they were lumping all emotions in and saying, like, hey, if it's a fear emotion, then all emotions are bad because it's a because they're laboring fear as all emotions.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: But no, there are many emotions like think about joy or think about gratitude or think about compassion, like all of those emotions are actually very normal when we experience them.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: Now all we have to do is uh start to acknowledge them.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: And when we acknowledge those emotions and we create awareness around those emotions, then we start answering the Simon Sinek question, right?
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, of like why are they having that emotion or why am I feeling that emotion?
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think there's a sort of an inverse relationship with fear and love.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not talking about the heroes kind of love, I'm talking about sort of the Greek agape kind of love, where the lower level of the more fear there is, the less love.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then the more love there is, there's the less fear.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so as we move up energetically in our vibration of our emotions, the closer we get to that absolute and pure love.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so when we are talking with people and listening to people and you know, having a sales conversation, right?
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: What we're trying to do is relate to them.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: And the more we can show love in some form expression of an emotion, the more we're creating that space for them to become aware or to be trusting.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then that allows us to have a closer bond.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_00: We feel connected, we feel like, hey, this person kind of understands me.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so we're not ignoring the emotions, we're actually harnessing them.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_00: And if it's if it's a fear emotion, okay, well, how do we deal with that?
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, what's popping up for me right now, and it kind of ties in Mariah's story, is I think a lot of us are taught to like be lonely with our emotions.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_04: Like we are taught to run up in the room and deal with it on your own and don't be seen with that because you are weird and we don't feel that.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_04: And so a lot of us feel like we are the only ones struggling with these things.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_04: And what you're saying is so empowering of when you hear someone else describe exactly what your like mental suffering has been around.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_04: You're like, I'm not the only one who feels that.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_04: And just that awareness, the community, the we're all in this together, kind of that non-local connection we all have, like you were speaking about earlier, Michael.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_04: That I think is where all of this becomes a lot lighter.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_04: All of a sudden, my shoulders like go down.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't feel as heavy and like just me.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you lighten the load.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_00: You totally lighten the load when you're when you're doing that.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and what's the you know, if you talk to CEOs or entrepreneurs, their number one challenge is that they feel alone, not lonely.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: There's a difference between lonely and alone, but they do feel alone, right?
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so you're right, the emotion is the key.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, does somebody else feel the same way I do?
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: And oh my gosh, they do.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's why some of our masterminds that we do is really not so much to teach somebody new in our masterminds, it's what we do is we're trying to create the hey, we're in this together, that community you're talking about.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: And that is strengthening and uplifting and gets us out of those lower energy levels up into the higher energy levels.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think that there's something really beautiful about community.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just thinking about like in uh in 2020, me and Shay were part of uh like a community for business owners.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember that like that's when this showing my emotions thing would keep coming up, and I swear to God, almost every call that I was on in 2020, it was like me crying in front of a fucking group of people.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, oh my God.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: And at first it was horrifying.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, they're gonna think that I'm ridiculous, that I'm weak, that I'm whatever, but it was a safe space.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: And honestly, I couldn't stop crying if you fucking paid me to.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I remember I'm crying and I'm expressing myself and everything.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: A, it got easier as like when you, and I'm not saying that you got to go on stage and cry in front of people in order to work through this, but that's kind of the the lessons that I was handed.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: I I typically get more um intense lessons of uh how to build these muscles.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: But the the community aspect of allowing people to see me, and that was very healing for my inner child, and also exactly what you're saying, Michael.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: It made me realize because I'm looking at these comments of like as I'm talking, people are like, oh my God, I felt that way.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, I feel this.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, like, yes, absolutely.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: I totally feel this.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the same way, I had a similar thing.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then you read these comments and you're just like, wait, like this isn't such a big deal.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is like people are seeing me, and then they're also seeing themselves in me to where it creates a connection point, which is amazing for healing, knowing that you're not alone.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other thing is that it invites other people to start sharing openly, because it's like if Mariah can fucking cry on camera with 20 people staring at her, then I can do that too.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: And like that's how we start to unravel the uh pushdown of emotions, I think, is truly like the community aspect.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and so creating that connection, right, is so important and and having something that you can connect on, right?
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so that emotion there was something people related to.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: But we think about like all the other burdensome kinds of emotion.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_00: So when we think of when I was talking about fear, like it could be um fear that I'm gonna run out of funds and not be able to pay my employees, or I'm not gonna be able to launch this new campaign, or like there are all of these, like it can be frustration, right?
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: It can be anger, like these are these negative emotions that we have, these are the destructive ones.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_00: And what happens right over time is no kidding, those emotions get stored in our body, in our cells, and our tissues, right?
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was just about to go there.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, we're like a walking memory bank, right?
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_00: Of all of those past emotions, and so no kidding, like, yeah, it might take like 20 calls to cry it all out, okay, because we've been building it up for so freaking long, right?
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but then the the other side too is is like, yeah, as business owners, how many times are we frustrated?
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like the tech crashes, the zoom call goes bad, or we got the wrong time zone, like all of these things can be weighing down on us.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_00: And if we ignore them and don't deal with them, then we're just storing it in our body and we're built and it's building up.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_04: Shove it down, shove it down.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, I always we always bring up the your body keeps the score, or whatever that book is.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_04: But there is, you know, the thing is, is when we don't deal with our emotions, they don't just go away.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_04: Our body takes them and they can manifest into literal physical things, or it can be lingering anxiety, or it can be burnout, or it can be a million different things.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_04: But um, I was actually gonna say this about Mariah.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_04: What I appreciated about in that container, shout out to Erin Lindstrom, was when you started crying, she did not, and in fact, she pointed this out.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_04: She said, I'm not gonna go get the box of tissues for you.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_04: She said, get it out.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_04: And she just encouraged it.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_04: She was like, Let it out.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's a release.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_04: And I think a lot of us have spent our whole lives trying to control our emotions and hold them so tightly.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_04: And so it was such a liberating thing to have someone say, like, crying's great.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_04: I and I feel like normally, like, the parent is like, stop crying, stop crying.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_04: It's okay.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_04: Here's the tissue, stop crying.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_04: And so to see someone be like, This is you releasing some emotions that need to get out, what a wonderful thing.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_04: Kind of what you were talking about earlier, like celebrating the strength and the bravery there.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_04: And all of a sudden now it's this cool, empowering thing, and we're all growing.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_00: Mariah, so here's another tangible point for you is that not giving you the tissues, that was level six.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: If they'd given you the tissues, that would have been level four.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_00: Compassion.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: So so that's another example of how you're empowering that person to go, okay, cry it out.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're free reign, like go, you know, or if you want to vent, like you want to yell because your supplier didn't send you what you needed and you're not going to launch your campaign, yell.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if that's what it takes.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: If you need to go for a run, you know, we all have different ways of releasing, but release that energy, don't store it in.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_04: There's something about having your release valve and knowing what that is.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_04: I always think about uh did you guys see the Mr.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_04: Rogers documentary by any chance?
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_04: They asked him, they said, like, what do you do when you get upset?
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_04: And he's like, I play the piano or I go on a swim.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_04: He was like, he had like two practices, and they're like, You never seem mad.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_04: You don't seem emotionally volatile, you're so level-headed.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_04: And he's like, I have two things, I play the piano or I go on a swim.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_04: And I've always thought like he knew what his release valves were, and he used them to fill his cup every day because he had to carry a lot.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I always thought that was such a cool idea of like, what is my release valve?
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_04: And am I allowing myself to release?
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_04: Because a lot of us, it doesn't have to be verbal.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't, it could be screaming into a pillow, it could be a run, it could be like Mariah and I talk about there's breath work and trauma release exercises.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_04: There's all kinds of things you can do, but I think allowing yourself to release, acknowledge that you have a lifetime stored up, perhaps, and having some releasing practices can also be really powerful.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that idea of a release valve.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what's your release valve?
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_04: Mr.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_04: Rogers, that's okay.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_00: I used to watch that all the time.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_00: So like I totally related to that.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, how does that guy do that?
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_04: Amazing.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, look, go ahead, Brian.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, I was just gonna say this uh came up yester yesterday specifically.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I've been doing like a gallbladder and a liver detox, and who the fuck knows how long this detox is gonna take?
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm noticing just uh little days where it feels crunchy.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_01: And yesterday was one of those days where it felt crunchy.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, what can I do?
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because me, I'm just like, I'm gonna get work done.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna work and I love work and I'm gonna answer these emails and do this SEO audit, and I'm gonna blah, blah, blah.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I find that my mind is literally like, what the fuck are you thinking?
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we're not focused on work right now.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I can't do work.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_01: You have things bubbling up to the surface.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so I just like went in the bedroom and I closed the door and I went into like a meditative state and just allowed myself to like shake a little bit into deep breathe.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I was getting just like images of you know, like shitty things that happened when I was a teenager and just like sent her so much love.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, what and I named the emotion that I was feeling.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_01: I went from bitter to frustration and had to relief the different layers that were there from that memory because it wasn't just that I was bitter, I was also frustrated and I was also very angry.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so, just allowing myself to do that, and I swear to God, you can even ask Andrew, I was a different person the second half of the day.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_01: The first half of the day, we went to the gym and I was like, this is how I'm gonna release it.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_01: And my body was like, No, that's not how we want to release it.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_01: In order to release it, you need to feel it.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, this is bullshit.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna work.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then, of course, it wasn't until like I allowed myself to feel it that it actually moved through.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: So saying all of this to give our listeners just an example of like sometimes people will say, scream into a pillow.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they'll say, Go for a run, play the piano.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes that's not deep enough.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not that you're doing it right, you're not doing it in a way that it is allowing your body to feel the very thing that it is trying to move through.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not saying that every time you're sad, you have to like cry and crumble to the ground and like whatever, but it's like maybe you do have to feel the sadness and maybe some tears will be shed.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like allowing yourself to bring that in because I find when I bring that emotion in and I allow myself to feel it, and I'll find myself saying, like, it's safe to feel this now.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_01: You can feel this now because I'm giving my body that safe space to feel it's been a fucking game changer because like stress balls don't do it, it's not connecting the mind and the body and the spirit and everything.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's literally just a physical thing.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, fuck this stress ball, I'll light it on fire, it's not helping anything.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I Shay, you're probably gonna jump on this, but like there's you were talking about the being, the doing, and the having earlier.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so what I love about Mariah, what you just shared was like you're trying to do something to relieve that stress or the anxiety.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_00: So and then it didn't work, right?
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_00: So you're in the doing, and so what did you do?
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_00: You went back into the being, and then this gets into that deep shadow work, like you know, the people that go and and help get into the that deep stuff that's bothering us, and what we can do, right, is we can um actually live and feel and be as if we are in that space and just be present in it and acknowledge it and go, okay.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: And if it's a cry, great.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_00: If it's a yell, if it's a whatever, but it we're we're in now, we're there.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now we're there, we're being.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_00: And and so when we're being, that's where the greater chance of healing is because now we're dealing with the cause.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes when we're doing, we're dealing with the effect.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_00: But now what we're really doing is we're going back to the cause and we're addressing the cause, and that's where healing comes.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I love that.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_04: And to Mariah's point, it's like you're giving, you're rewiring your brain that I can be and I can be safe.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_04: There's safety here.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_04: My emotions aren't bad or good, they're just emotions, and like I can be here and feel them, and I'm okay, right?
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_04: And maybe that wasn't true in the past, but it is true now, right?
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_04: So, what do we need to rewire?
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_04: And I think there's something really cool about I like that you tied it back to the the be do have.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_04: I I'm and Mariah is really great about giving yourself the space.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_04: You need to just you can't really define how you need to work through it, but you can make some space and some stillness and you can just like honor what comes up.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_04: And she doesn't try to force it and she doesn't try to make it be in a certain way.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_04: She just like lets it happen.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_04: And that for me is really inspiring because I struggle.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm like, okay, I'll do all my things and then it's solved, right?
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_04: So that was really great.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like guy, like it is the guy mentality.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, we gotta do something, like we got to fix this.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you got a problem?
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, how do we fix it?
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, oh, okay.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we can do that, but I don't know.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_00: But so like Ryan, like you're so strong on that.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like your ability to go back and be in that space and and be present with it, that that's more power.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_00: It really is.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that reflection, both of you.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_01: To be honest, I feel like I've just gotten to a space where it's like I can't not do it.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_01: I can't.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_01: If I don't sit in it, I will be crunchy for the rest of my life.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't have that.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_01: How can I fucking interview somebody on the podcast and if I'm fucking feeling crunchy?
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like just my schedule will not allow too much crunch.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I have to sit and figure out and just explore what is the crunch.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um the crunch of life.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_04: I have a little rabbit hole.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_04: I can't get out.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_04: I want to go down with you, Michael.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_04: You mentioned something about the brain, heart, gut connection, which is something that has recently piqued my curiosity.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I had a past client who's also a doctor talk about she calls it heart math or heart congruence.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_04: And there's literally science now that shows like we can feel each other.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_04: Our hearts sync up.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_04: And like it's a vibe is a real thing, and we're proving it with data.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_04: So would you, I don't know a ton around that, but would you mind sharing like what you've learned about the connection between the three?
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_00: So um, interestingly enough, I've gone through a heart math certification course to help train people on heart math.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_00: No way, that's crazy.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it's funny you bring that up.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: Not not a coincidence at all.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, so so right.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_00: So, so our heart, like I was talking earlier, has a certain number of neurons and um it's sending out frequency or sending out information.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_00: And when we're in our head, we're we're usually thinking with beta brain waves.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_00: And when we slow down and get into meditation, we then drop into alpha.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing when we go to bed at night.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like if we can get past the thoughts and we start, you know, falling asleep, we go into alpha and then into theta.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: And and at theta is where the brain becomes programmable.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's where we're suggestible for information.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so what heart math has done in their science is they've looked at, hey, that electromagnetic field that the heart is producing, when the brain is not telling the heart information, that beta messed up, like all those crazy thoughts that we're having, we're sending all that information down to the heart.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so the heart's, you know, having to deal with it.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_00: But when it's the other way around, when the heart is the dominant brain and our brain is at rest, then the heart is naturally going to go into its own rhythm.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_00: And when it does, it sends information now to the brain, and the brain and the heart then get into coherence.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_00: So when we're when the mind is in control and driving and we're thinking all of our thoughts, we're incoherent.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_00: But when the heart's in control, then we are coherent.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_00: And and the effects of that are one is we feel more at peace.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_00: And the more we feel the emotions of love, you know, compassion or joy or whatever, then the our heart muscle actually, no kidding, gets stronger and puts out a stronger electromagnetic field.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so our vessels swell, or like our heart becomes engorged with love, basically.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so that information is pouring into our brain at that point.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then what happens is our autonomic nervous system gets that information and it starts sending positive information to our body, and our body starts healing itself.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_00: It starts repairing damaged cells, damaged tissues.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so the advantage of getting the heart and the brain into coherence is the ability for the body to then correct itself and heal.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, at nighttime, you know, the body does that, but if we can do that during the day and do some breast-centered things or whatever it is to get the heart and the brain into coherence, then we're actually helping our body out.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then, oh my gosh, we feel better too.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is Joe Dispenza shit.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_01: He just explained Joe Dispenza.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_00: Joe and heart math, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Fascinating.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even realize that.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think that that nice question, Sha.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, really good question.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I um my husband has heart health issues, and I got into that world researching stuff for him, like how to strengthen the heart.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_04: And then I would talk into this former client of mine, and I'm like, oh my gosh, like there's some really cool data points here that apply to a lot of different aspects of my life.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_04: And so it's a it's kind of an emerging field, right?
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_04: It's something that we're really learning a lot more about and it's evolving.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, the heart math group has been around for actually a number of years, and and they just have finally gotten to the point where it's gaining traction.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_00: So they've they've been putting the information out for a while now, but the ways that they, you know, they do training courses, now they've got this really cool product.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's basically you clip a little thing onto your ear and then and um and it's a sensor and it's tied into an app on your phone.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a Bluetooth connection, and you can actually watch what's called heart rate variability.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're in the upper zone, your heart and brain are in coherence.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so, for like your husband, what you could do is get that product and and have him start training with it.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_00: And it's hard to start with because quite frankly, we we don't do it that often, where we get our heart uh the more dominant one.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so, but you can do it, and it's it's it's not hard uh after after practicing a few times, and then it just becomes natural.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's a breath you do, you just kind of visualize the air going in and out of the chest, and then you think of a positive emotion and you dwell in that space, and that puts you into that heart rate variability coherence um using their app.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_00: So they've got some great products out there, but but I would recommend for anybody in the audience, and then for your husband, is like, yeah, check it, check that thing out because that thing is really cool.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_00: I use it uh quite a bit to like, okay, I'm feeling crappy.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm feeling crunchy to borrow Mariah's word, right?
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm feeling crunchy.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_00: I need, I need, I need some heart mass stuff.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I love that.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for encouraging me to reopen that.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because I had kind of put it down for a minute.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't know they had a little device or something, but the idea of heart rate variability, we don't want to keep Michael here all day, but I feel like I could though, is an interesting concept.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_04: And I actually talk about it with my therapist, but I've seen it pop up with his health stuff too.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_04: It it's good for physical and mental health.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's a really interesting idea.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm kind of that's like my current rabbit hole right now that I'm in.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_04: But Ryan, you just put your finger up.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_04: What's up?
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was just gonna say this is something that I follow this girl on Instagram because she's like a functional health coach or something, and she's been spewing about heart rate variability forever.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just like, I thought it was just like uh, it means my metabolism is better.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Get sun in your eyes in the morning, and then your metabolism will be better.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so the fact that it has a deeper meaning to it, because like her talking about it all the time almost made me go and buy some like a monitor thing.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: But now that I'm hearing about it, I'm like, wait, I kind of want to open this can of worms and kind of track it for myself, even though part of me is like a little scared of what that number is right now.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh god, where where are we gonna start?
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Where where's the heart at?
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my oh my gosh.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_00: I let me tell you my experience because because you'll you'll totally relate to it.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like I so I I got it, I I hook it up, and and um like I am in the red, like I I'm not I'm not up in the green.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so my heart is failing.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody my heart is failing.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_00: I suck at this, right?
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_00: I went level one energetically, like right away.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so, but um, you know, everybody's different, but like they have this little dot that moves across the screen.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_00: They said, okay, just focus on the dot.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so what it did is it got me into this not thinking about anything else.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_00: I slowed my brain beta brain waves down, and so I was just sort of in this my own induced trance watching the dot go back and forth, and suddenly I started the the thing started moving up out of the red into the green.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm so good at this, I've never been better at this.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know, right?
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna do the dot.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'd be like, okay, what time's that next appointment?
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_00: And oh, do I have to prepare for that thing?
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: And oh wait, what's the next one?
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right back into the red.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_00: So uh so like a classic example of how like you know, you you can be it's pretty easy to get up into the green, but then can you sustain it?
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_00: Can you can you stay there?
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what meditation is all about, right?
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_00: Can you stay present with the moment and and not start wandering off in your thoughts?
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Can you stay present and enjoy the moment?
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Can you feel that higher level emotion?
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_00: And when you do, like, guess what?
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're in the green, but now that you're going even higher into the green because you're feeling that stronger positive emotion.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a muscle.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_00: It you're not like you're talking earlier, like we're rewiring our brain.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_00: So if we're doing that more and more, it's natural and more easy for us to get up into the green.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_00: So, so yeah, there are times where like it's a crunchy day and I'm out of the green all the time, but I can get, but through practice, you can get back up and stay in the in the green there.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just sitting here like blown away thinking about the percentage of my life that is spent in past thinking what's what's happened or what's going to happen versus presence, watching the dot go back and forth.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_04: And interesting connecting that to what you're saying about brain waves and how many of us spend our whole lives not being present.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_04: I really there's power and presence that comes up in every single episode.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_04: But what's so cool about all of this is we're now connecting data and science to it and grounding it down.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we're taking this kind of fluffy idea.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_04: Even people roll their eyes at meditation and stillness and quiet, but like it's really powerful.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_04: And when you can build the muscle, you can tap into it and have more and more of it.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's really everybody obviously is unique.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_00: And you're talking about, you know, thinking about the past and thinking about the future.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, Eckhart Tolle talks about the power of now, right?
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so if we're focused on the now, we're being present with the moment, right?
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_00: Joe talks about it too.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_00: But but here's the thing is like now you're tying science with it because now I've got this gadget that can help me stay in the now that will help me train and stay in the now.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not thinking about the past or not thinking about the future as much.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_00: And what are we doing?
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're incrementally healing our body, we're incrementally making it that much better.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_00: We're creating the space to mentally get out of the fog and do our creative stuff that we need to do as a creative.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_00: We're able to tap into our intuition where it can be curious about where what's going on, and we're less, you know, worrying about the past or worrying about the future.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Add to cart on that fucking device.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_04: So cool.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_04: Uh really quickly, I have one more thing I want you to explain.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_04: You used a word I haven't heard before, but when you said it, I felt like I had like intuitive understanding.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_04: Would you talk to us about non-local intuition versus local intuition if that's the other side of it?
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_00: So very simply local, I mean the physical three-dimensional world.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so we we sense physically in some way uh that there's that there's something there that we're we're connecting to something.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_00: We may not know what it is, but we're sensing and connecting.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_00: So because it's local.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Non-local is this is where you get into quantum theory, is like, okay, well, there are an infinite number of universes out there, infinite number of possibilities in the quantum.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_00: So what we're doing with the non-local is we're tapping into all those potential infinite possibilities.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so maybe one of those possibilities might be a solution to a problem you've been worrying about for four months.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_00: And where did that come from?
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it seemed to come out of the blue, but really we tapped into the unified field and pulled that additional thought in.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe it was a spirit guide telling us and whispering in our ear, you know, maybe it was God, maybe it was our higher self.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows what's on the other side?
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Some people can see, they're clairvoyant, somebody can use clear audience and they can hear.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, some people have these great intuition gifts that they've developed or they've been given.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like people who've had near-death experiences, they come back and they have these amazing capabilities, right?
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, so our capabilities are all unique, is what I'm saying, but not any of those that are the nautical realm, the quantum field, if you will.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, fascinating.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_04: I love this stuff.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like we just come up with three more podcast episode topics here at the end.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for letting me like rapid fire some questions at you.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_04: This stuff is so interesting to me.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_04: I love learning more about it.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, clearly it's interesting to me and the three of us, because we could talk about it like all day long, and we've obviously studied it and tried to integrate it in our lives.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then I think what's really a testament to the podcast is like, hey, and here's how we use it.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, here's how it can benefit you.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I love about your podcast is like, hey, it's not just like woo-woo stuff.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, no, we can take it and then go use it and and deal with life and make our life better.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's a wonderful thing.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's very helpful.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_01: We are looking to uh rework the website currently before season three comes out, and uh the feedback about what people love about it is truly helping us kind of navigate that.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_01: So that feedback is very helpful, and I kind of just want to uh say thank you for coming on here.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think that your perspective was something that we really haven't had on the podcast.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_01: To be honest, we haven't had very many men on the podcast.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_01: And the way that you explain intuition and stuff, and I picked this up from the very first conversation we had.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think I was gushing about it to you.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_01: I literally was just like, oh my God, you explain it in such a like uh a grounded and structured foundational way that also ties it in.
• 1:20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like I understand why, especially in the corporate world, executive people or that type of mind would gravitate towards the way that you explain it because it's very like uh matter-of-fact feeling.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Of just like, yeah, well, like this, and then the heart has 40,000 neurons and like x plus y equals z, and like whatever, whatever, where it's me, I'm just like, yeah, but like you just feel it.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, I just appreciate your perspective.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate that uh as well.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_00: And the funny thing, I think, is like, you know, the these stereotypes, women have intuition and men don't, right?
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Or you know, if you're a super analytical left-brained person, you can't have intuition.
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's crap.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_00: And and the more we develop our intuition, um, I think the wiser we are, the greater consciousness we have, especially as a collective.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and I think when we are aware of our intuition, we actually make much better choices, and we can bring harmony when there's so much conflict in the world, so much toxicity, right?
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_00: And and so if we can tap into our intuition and teach people how to do that, we're elevating consciousness and changing the world.
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Mic drop.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Mic drop for Michael.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_04: Body chills.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_04: That was incredible.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_04: Way to wrap it up with a nice vo, Michael.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, okay, we have one question we ask at the end.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_04: What's your current rabbit hole?
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_04: Where are your current curiosities um flowing these days?
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh boy.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think intuition and like developing that is always a rabbit hole for me.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um my latest thing is I've actually gotten into Kriya yoga.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I've been doing Dr.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Joe's meditation work and like uh amazing.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's been like my passion for the past two or three years.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_00: But now I'm incorporating some yoga practices and some breath work and things like that to kind of help that energy move around a little bit more in the body.
• 1:22:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's a whole new field for me.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_00: But now that I've experienced energy in my body, and like I used to believe like that was a bunch of crap, but now I'm like, oh no, that's some real stuff.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, you convinced me.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_00: So well, what can I do with that?
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so Korea is kind of this new thing that I'm getting into, and it's it's interesting.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_00: So that's my new rabbit hole.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like uh I'm so coherent.
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what what can I do with all this coherence?
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_04: I've had a little taste of Korea yoga, and it seems really cool.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_04: I'm excited to hear more about that.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like you know, we talk about our third eye.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, no kidding, there is a gland in our brain that is the third eye.
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, whether you believe in God or not, like somebody somehow that got created and that's in us.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, how are we supposed to use that?
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_00: How can we how can we harness that?
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_00: And um and I think intuition is kind of that leads that direction, but but some of this, some there are many practices out there that can strengthen that and use it better.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so Korea seems to be one of them that are in addition to Dr.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Joe's work.
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna look into that.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_01: I've never heard of it, but it just reminds me of this thing that I was going off on a tangent about literally yesterday with Andrew.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, and they say that we have junk DNA.
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_01: How stupid.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, you think that God as intelligent or whoever put junk DNA in our body?
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like it is fucking stupid.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I just went off on a tangent that just reminded me of it.
• 1:24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so can you just tell our listeners where they can find you, where they can connect with you, if there's ways to work with you?
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to reach out and and just have a conversation with people.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like sometimes you just need to be heard, and uh, and so I am happy to provide that for people, but uh they can reach me at sipoaching.com, so sip e coaching.com.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'm on LinkedIn, uh, that's where I am as well.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_00: You find my profile under Michael Sype Consulting.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I've also uh I'll have a webpage called Curiously Guided, and so we'll do a little promotional thing there where they can come in and um if they've been working with you or and listen to the podcast, and we can add a little additional like extra work that's a bonus work for them.
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, cool.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'll put all of those links.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_04: And thank you so much.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_04: We're uh thrilled.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_01: So we're going to put all of those links in the episode show notes themselves.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that we're ready to close this episode down.
• 1:25:22
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• 1:25:56
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• 1:26:00
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