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#172 - Did Broken Hearts Club: A Romantic Comedy age well? (w/ Kameron Tyler) · Did That Age Well?

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  OK, now the part that I'm really most excited for.
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  Girl, welcome back to the pod, the one and only Cameron Tyler.
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  Hello Feels. So good to be back.
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  Oh my God. And now in the new space, the
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  last time we were together on the mic was in the previous dude
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  IDK space. In the old studio.
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  Yeah, Oh my God. I feel like right now, for the
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  past like 2 minutes, my brain has been like all over the
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  place. And now that I look in the eyes
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  of my friend, I'm like, I'm here.
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  I'm home. Relief, relief.
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  Cameron, what's up with you? What are you doing?
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  I'm doing everything. Oh, as always.
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  As always. No, really, I, I just finished
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  the first season of my podcast, which you came over and guested
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  on. My God, that day was so fun.
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  And we talked about meet me in Saint Louis.
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  Yes, such such a good Judy movie.
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  It's such a good Judy movie. It's the first Judy movie you've
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  podcasted about. Yeah, and it wasn't even on your
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  own. Podcast, I know, and I'm so
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  embarrassed for that. No, and eventually we are gonna
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  do Judy Garland movie The Clock. Yes.
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  But, And we planned on doing it today.
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  Yes, we did. But then Pride happened and I
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  was like, wait, one of my favorite movies ever.
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  Yeah. Which really is the movie I
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  should have suggested for us to watch the first time I came
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  here. Although we just said we have no
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  regrets. No regrets.
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  We. Won't regret it.
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  Was going to be playing at the Alamo.
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  God bless the Alamo. Never forget the Alamo.
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  Yeah, well, I do have some notes for them, but.
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  Oh, I'm not OK. No one's without fault.
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  OK, here's the thing. If they ever if, if Alamo
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  Drafthouse, if you ever want to do any kind of brand partnership
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  with me, I'll take this all back.
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  But I have to say, when we went to Alamo Drafthouse to see that
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  movie, I was 10 minutes late, OK?
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  Not even. Not even the movie hadn't even
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  started yet. Yeah, it was a previews when you
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  came in. And like you, here's the thing,
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  Alamo draft, I was like, you knew who I was.
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  You knew that I wasn't going to be on time for the movie.
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  But I walk in and the person working there says, oh, which
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  which movie are you here to see? I said Broken Hearts Club.
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  And she said, oh, I have to go talk to my manager to see if we
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  can let you in because you're late.
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  You weren't late, by the way. And thank you for that.
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  No, and they did know who you are.
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  Who doesn't? And who doesn't, truly?
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  I mean, was this? I'm not going to say it.
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  And I mean, thank God she let me in.
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  She said OK yeah you can go in. But at that point I I waited 5
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  minutes for her to go talk to her manager.
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  Well, yeah, I had to ask. Was this a ploy to make you
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  later? Yeah, I think that it was.
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  I think that they were punishing me and also Alamo Drafthouse
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  took my favorite thing off of the menu.
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  I used to go to Alamo Drafthouse for the sweet potato bowl.
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  It's like a, it was like a grain bowl thing.
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  And you'd think, Oh my God, I wouldn't go to Alamo Drafthouse
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  for this like grain bowl. But it was so good.
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  And when I got to Alamo Drafthouse and I was already
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  upset. That I was.
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  And then I opened the menu I was so excited to have there.
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  Was no pot of gold at the end of your rainbow that day?
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  I honestly am like should I even be saying this?
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  This is. Well, there goes your
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  partnership. I'm not saying anything bad
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  about the Alamo. I'm going to wistfully reminisce
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  on their green Chili gravy, which they also discontinued.
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  Oh no. But I'm open to partnerships.
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  He said never forget the Alamo, never forgot.
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  But that experience was so fun. Going to watch this in the
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  theater and tragically not enough people in that theater.
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  I think a grand total of 8. Yeah, pretty homophobic, Denver.
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  Was the phrase remember the Alamo not never forget?
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  That's 9/11. Why does 9/11 always come up
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  when I'm with you? Well because this movie you did
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  say it's pre 911 before we even went to see.
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  It that's true, I do classify well 'cause I classify gay
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  movies that way. Yeah, because it is different.
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  911 changed the scope of gay cinema in this thesis I will.
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  And no one is talking about that enough.
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  Till now. Till today.
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  Yeah, one of my chop liver. I'm just kidding.
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  No, I was so excited that this movie was going to be in
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  theaters 'cause I can't believe I didn't suggest it to you.
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  This movie came out in the year 2000.
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  Like they made this movie in 1999.
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  It's really a 20th century gay movie.
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  It really is. And I have to say it is one of
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  the best ones. I agree.
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  It aged well. Spoiler alert.
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  OK, yeah, sorry guys, podcast over.
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  It aged well. It held up.
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  I we laughed, we cried. Oh God, this.
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  OK, so I first have to say that I need to know if you have ever
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  been a part of a recreational softball league.
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  I've never been part of a recreational softball league
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  because softball is a sport, so that disqualifies the activity
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  from my roster. Yeah.
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  Because of my lifestyle. For sure.
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  Which is stationary, but I always wanted to be one of those
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  gays who's on a gay well, mostly kickball.
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  Yeah, my, I have a good friend, Dana Sparks shout out front of
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  the pod. She's she's in gay kickball and,
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  and there's always some good stories about gay kickball.
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  Well, never say never, never say.
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  I'm open to it. This movie certainly inspires me
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  to think about it. Maybe you'll get recruited,
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  you'll be a top recruit. Well, I'm probably going to now.
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  A personality hire, frankly. What else is new?
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  OK, I there was another thing that I was going to ask you.
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  Oh yeah. What's your OGT?
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  Obviously gay. Oh my God, that was in my
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  notepad. Oh.
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  My God. Oh my God, perfect.
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  You're not. You are a gay man in my eyes.
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  We've already been over this. So that is why I was going to
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  ask that. To be clear, OGT is.
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  Obviously gay trait. Obviously gay trait.
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  Yeah. And in the movie I did, you
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  write the examples that they gave in the movie for theirs?
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  They gave the example, remember. I know that one of them was the
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  carpenters. Yes.
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  And then there was culinary interests and intense fear of
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  blood sports, which I just said. So that's one of them.
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  I don't play any sports. Famously, famously.
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  I actually don't know about the carpenters, except for Karen
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  Carpenters. There's no place like home for
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  the holidays because who doesn't?
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  Who doesn't? So not instead of the
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  carpenters, I would say Judy Garland.
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  Of course, I'm a Judy Garland Stan.
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  She is the role model for me, which is gonna be unfortunate
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  when I hit 49. But.
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  And as far as culinary interest, absolutely not because I can't
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  cook for sure. So instead of culinary interest,
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  I would say existential, not dread, but pessimism.
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  I think the gays have claimed that these days, don't you
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  think? I do, yeah.
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  I think it kind of fits under like the sort of like bitchy
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  umbrella, you know, It's kind of like all-encompassing.
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  And under the bitchy umbrella is the only place that I feel safe.
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  So I guess that's my 4th 1. What are your Ogts?
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  Oh my gosh, I wish that I had I I should have known that you
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  were going to ask me this too. I.
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  Wish I would have thought about it.
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  No, I. Know I should have known OK long
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  time viewer of Will and Grace since I was a child.
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  That's a good one. That's.
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  Kind of an OGT. I'm embarrassed I didn't say
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  that. That's a good one.
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  And thank you for that. Yeah, I would say a lot of house
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  plants you. Know yeah, cuz the thing about
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  gays is you either are or you aren't.
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  Yeah, there's no middle ground. You have a ton or you have none.
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  I have none. Yeah.
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  Famously, famously kill him. But you have but you have a a
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  really pretty view from your apartment.
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  That's true. I figured why do I need a house
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  plant when I can see every tree in the city?
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  Wow. That's poetic.
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  And that is poetic, stuck up. He's a writer.
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  And just like. That and just like that, yeah, I
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  would say probably, I mean probably my Judy love as well.
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  You love Judy. Yeah, you love cinema.
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  Cinema I am kind of Yeah, I'm kind of a cinema gay when.
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  You're basically a Vincent Minelli walking amongst.
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  Us and thank you so much for saying that because I've been
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  waiting for someone to I. Want you to direct me in life.
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  In life, in love. Someone needs to.
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  Girl. Well, that this might be the
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  blind leading the blind, but honestly, who wouldn't watch
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  that movie? Who wouldn't watch that movie?
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  Yeah, that's so true. No, we'd make such a good ROM
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  com. Oh my God, I know we'd be the
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  Broken Hearts club. OK, let's get into that.
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  Which one are you? Well, let's go over who they all
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  are, OK? Yeah, 'cause then 'cause then I
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  will tell you about. OK, so we've got we've got Jack
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  Mahoney playing Jack the Jack. Yes, and he's like.
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  John Mahoney. Did I say Jack Mahoney?
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  No, I said John. It's John.
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  Mahoney playing Jack, which I think is what you said.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And I guess he was on Seinfeld. I've never seen Seinfeld in my
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  life. Oh, no.
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  Frazier. Frazier, I was going to say, I
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  think he plays a cop on Frazier. Yeah, I guess.
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  So but he's he's kind of a gay elder.
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  Well, he's. Yeah.
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  He's like the patriarch of this group of young gay men.
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  Yeah. Who are all friends.
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  Yes, but like, in a sibling way. Yes, exactly.
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  With lots of sibling rivalry. Yes, frenemies.
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  You might say frenemies. And then Timothy Olyphant.
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  Is that how you pronounce his last name?
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  He plays Dennis kind of the he's a photographer.
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  He's he's an artsy guy and he owns a house in West Hollywood,
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  so. Dreamy.
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  Good for him. And they're like, what, in their
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  late 20s? Yeah, they're supposed to be 28
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  in this, which made me feel that was.
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  Tough to to learn when he's like, yeah, and I'm 28.
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  I was like, what? Yeah.
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  Yeah, OK. And then there's Cole the
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  hottie, the one who is everyone wants to be.
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  He's an actor. An athlete.
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  An athlete buff, sexy. Unfortunately he's played by
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  Dean Kane who used to be Superman, who is now
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  unfortunately Super Maga so but that's OK.
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  Look up a recent picture of him Karma's.
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  It kind of it's kind of all worked out for him.
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  All worked out or for us? For us, yeah.
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  Zach Braff plays Benji. Which I had to look up today.
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  I couldn't remember what his character's name was.
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  But you know what? We need more Benji's.
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  I agree. I love the name Benji.
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  Me too. And I love him as Benji me.
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  Too. Zach Braff plays a little.
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  I mean, he's not the Gaby of the movie 'cause that's the whole
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  point of one of the other characters, but.
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  He seems to be kind of like the little brother.
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  I was just gonna say he kind of has this childlike energy.
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  He's sort of just like a little sweetheart.
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  He's kind of Spacey, but he's he's like the tagalong.
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  Yeah. He's not stupid, but he's not
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  the smart one. No.
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  And he's got the 1999 bleached hair, which I love.
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  I love it. I love, I love it.
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  To this day. I'm looking at, I'm looking in
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  the in the background looking at him right now.
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  And it's. Right behind me, isn't it?
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  Oh my God, it is. Along with the Furbies, sorry to
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  remind you. And then there's Patrick.
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  He's played by Ben Weber. Or is it Weber?
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  Don't know for. Sure.
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  I think it's Ben Weber. And the thing about Ben Weber
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  that I didn't realize until this time that I watched the movie
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  because I haven't watched it in a few years, is that he is from
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  Sex in the City. Yeah.
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  He my God, what was his name on Sex and the City?
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  Oh my God, I literally was just telling my friend about it the
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  other day. He's the one that Miranda just
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  treated like shit in the first couple seasons.
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  Yeah, and now here I am doing the same thing anyway.
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  That Miranda totally would forget his name.
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  I know I didn't think that I had ever seen him in anything and
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  only when I looked up his IMDb was I like oh duh.
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  Yeah, he is kind of like AI mean.
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  He's not that notable, I'm afraid to say.
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  He unfortunately is so relatable to me, which we'll get into, but
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  he is kind of like the bitter, jaded, critical, pessimistic.
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  Thinks thinks he's ugly as dirt. So self degrading.
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  Actually I wrote one of his quotes.
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  What? Did he say?
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  Wait, did I? Oh my God, you know what's so
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  sad? What?
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  It was such a downer. I took it off my list.
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  Wow. But it was something about like,
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  all of these gays out here in LA are just 10s looking for an. 11
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  for an 11. And I'm like, wow, mood.
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  And he's like, if, if I meet the right one and they're drunk
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  enough, I'm maybe a six. Yeah.
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  I'm like everyone has felt like that.
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  Everyone has felt like I'm the ugliest fuck in this group.
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  Yeah, that's how I feel every time I'm on a show with you.
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  Oh my God, you're making me look bad.
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  God, now I'm a four. Oh my God.
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  It's all perspective, babe. It's all perspective.
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  Yeah, so, but it was a little. I was also really annoyed with
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  him. A lot of the time when he's
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  like, I'm just ugly. I'm like, shut up, you're not.
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  You know, yeah, he's certainly not the Adonis of the group.
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  And he's also annoying. And his story is weird because
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  his his main story is that his lesbian sister and her wife want
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  his sperm so they can have a baby.
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  And I'm like, well, if you were that ugly, would your sister
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  want your sperm? Right.
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  Yeah. And that's the whole thing is
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  that he's like, I won't do it because I'm ugly.
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  Yeah. Yeah, he is annoying, yeah,
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  which is probably also why I find him relatable.
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  You know what is also really rude and self-centered about him
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  is that he keeps going on and on about how ugly he is to his
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  sister who, like they share genes, you know what I mean?
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  Yeah, like that's not very nice. I know when I do that, my
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  sister's like, please stop. Yeah, stop that.
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  Too many people tell us we look alike.
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  Please stop. I'm like, OK, OK, it's fair, OK.
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  And then the breakout role for Billy Porter as Taylor, he was
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  kind of the the least known. Was it her?
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  Breakout role for I guess at that time it probably would.
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  Have been This is the first feature film that he was ever
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  in. Can you believe that?
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  Oh my, actually I can't. Billy Porter.
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  Like when I think of him, I just think of him as such an icon.
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  I know. Because of pose where he played,
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  Pray tell. Yeah.
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  But then I remember like, yeah, pose didn't come out till 2018
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  and this is from 2000, Yeah, like an adult.
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  This is was created in that time somewhere.
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  Truly. Yeah, no.
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  And he's, he's so funny in it. And he also has barely aged.
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  Yeah. I mean, I'm not gonna say it but
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  but he looks the. Exact same.
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  Yeah, he really does. And then of course, we have
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  Kevin, played by Andrew Keegan, the Gaby.
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  The 90s heartthrob Andrew Keegan, who I guess now is like,
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  in a cult? What?
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  I guess he's in a cult now. No, I did just a quick search
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  and he's in a cult allegedly. Allegedly.
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  I'll look it up more later, but for now everyone just imagined
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  him being in a cult because I think he is.
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  And if you're watching this, reach out like we're here to
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  help. Oh, if he if Andrew Keegan's
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  watching this. Join my cult.
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  I'll help you build a new one together.
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  Oh my God. And then you can lead it.
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  It's so much more fun being a leader than a follower. 100%.
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  How do you feel about straight people playing gay characters?
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  I don't hate it at all. I know some people feel very
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  strongly about it and it's like an actor equity thing where it's
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  like we should at least be if it were, if we're entitled to
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  anything, it should at least be gay parts.
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  If I'm a gay actor, I don't personally feel that way.
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  Look, I'm not an actor, so I will say it.
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  Maybe it's not my place to have this opinion.
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  I just don't care 'cause I think about like, I think about it
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  early on when like Brokeback Mountain Also watched that at
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  the Alamo last month. Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath
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  Ledger, both straight men playing gay parts.
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  But they did it with complete respect.
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  And at that time, and I get why people think like, yeah, that
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  was fine then, but now people are able to just be out and gay
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  and be in movies. And at the time, you couldn't.
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  And so it was like a big thing for them to do.
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  Now, it's not like you're a hero if you do it, but at the same
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  time I think you should be able to.
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  Yeah, I think that I really like to see straight people playing
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  gay roles because it shows that it's not embarrassing or career
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  ending to play a gay character, that there doesn't have to be
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  this shame or this like black mark on your IMDb if you've
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  played a gay character. I think that obviously it's, we
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  want more work for gay actors, but I also don't think that gay
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  actors should only be given gay roles either.
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  It's like, I think that that like if you're an actor, you are
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  acting. You're not being you, you are
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  playing a part. So obviously you should be able
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  to embody a life that you don't have and that should be OK.
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  That's like the point of acting. That's the point of it.
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  And I think, like, I think that for a while it seemed that maybe
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  it was the answer to getting more gay actors employed is to
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  give them every gay role. But at the same time, it's like,
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  I think the answer more likely should be just hire gay actors
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  for any role. Yeah.
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  So that they're gainfully employed.
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  Exactly. And don't make rules like that
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  which are to me just too pigeonholy.
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  Like I don't, I just don't like when people say that.
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  And I get the reasoning for it. And it's simply one of those
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  things where I'm like, let's agree to disagree.
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  My favorite saying, I actually hate it so much.
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  But it is one of those things where I'm like, we're not going
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  to agree. It's an argument under really to
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  say, let's agree to disagree. I know, and sometimes you
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  shouldn't do it because sometimes racist try to do that
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  so that I'm like, I'm not being a racist, but let's agree to
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  disagree on the gay actor. Thing on the gay actor thing.
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  Like you disagree with me, I think you are not a lesbian.
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  What? I love to see you play a
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  lesbian. Of course.
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  I don't wanna see anyone else play a lesbian.
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  Thank you so much. I like you better than every
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  lesbian actor I've ever seen. I can't even name a lesbian
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  actor right now. Thank you so much.
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  I'm gonna get cancelled with the lesbians.
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  Wow, he really? Is I was literally just bragging
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  to my friend the other day about how many lesbian friends I have
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  now. Wow.
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  Cause for a long time I didn't have any.
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  You lost them all I. Just lost all of them.
• 20:04
  I can't believe I feel gutted. Wow, all right.
• 20:06
  And you are gutted. And I am.
• 20:10
  Yeah, I feel like the fact that so many straight characters or
• 20:14
  sorry, the fact that there are so many straight actors playing
• 20:18
  gay men in this movie is incredible.
• 20:21
  Like, oh, their agents told them don't do this.
• 20:25
  A lot of their a lot of their people who are making money off
• 20:29
  of them were like, don't do this movie.
• 20:31
  Do not play a gay character. This is the end of your career.
• 20:35
  And guess what? They all ended up fine.
• 20:38
  They really did, with the exception of Dean Kane, who's
• 20:41
  obviously unwell. But it's not because he played
• 20:44
  this. Role, But it's not because he
• 20:45
  played this role. And like, when we look at the
• 20:47
  list of people like Timothy Olyphant, Dean Kane, Zach Braff,
• 20:51
  Andrew Keegan, Ben Webber, Justin Theroux, who plays
• 20:56
  Marshall. That's right, all of them are
• 20:59
  straight. The only gay one I think was
• 21:01
  Billy Porter. Actually, Matt McGrath is also
• 21:04
  gay. Oh yeah?
• 21:05
  Well, we forgot to even mention Matt McGrath who plays Howie
• 21:08
  because he's like in nothing else ever again.
• 21:12
  Like on IMDb this is his number one movie I think.
• 21:14
  He's more of a stage actor than he must be.
• 21:17
  He must be. I like him in the movie.
• 21:19
  Me too. I also really relate to his
• 21:21
  character. Real.
• 21:22
  Oh yeah, his. Character's really uptight.
• 21:25
  He's so much like Dan Bukatinski's character in All
• 21:28
  Over the Guy. Just neurotic, unfortunately,
• 21:31
  unfortunately, but also so lovable.
• 21:34
  I really like him. And you know why I know that
• 21:36
  he's gay is because I went to his Wikipedia page and under
• 21:39
  Personal Life, literally just. Says my favorite section.
• 21:42
  My favorite section because that's where you find out if
• 21:44
  someone's gay always. That's like the only thing
• 21:46
  that's ever in personal life is this person is gay or not.
• 21:49
  And literally the only line under personal life is Matt
• 21:53
  McGrath is gay. Oh, I that's my goal in life.
• 21:58
  It's. Like I have a Wikipedia page in
• 22:00
  under personal life, it just says Cameron Tyler.
• 22:02
  Is gay and I feel like they won't even do that for me
• 22:04
  because it's just like that's my whole thing.
• 22:07
  So they're like, there's no need.
• 22:09
  Yeah, they're like, OK, yeah, that's we covered it in career
• 22:13
  in, you know, early life. In the name up top it just says
• 22:18
  Cameron Tyler. Parentheses gay.
• 22:22
  And if there is ever another Cameron Tyler, it's going to be
• 22:24
  like, did you mean Cameron Tyler the gay man?
• 22:27
  Or not. 01 thing we have to mention is as far as the casting
• 22:32
  goes is possibly one of the gayest things about the cast is
• 22:37
  there's a hairdresser played by Jennifer Coolidge with maybe one
• 22:42
  line. And they all go to her.
• 22:44
  They all go to the same hairdresser.
• 22:46
  She's basically their therapist. I loved it.
• 22:48
  She's their hairapist. Yeah, as they call her.
• 22:50
  As they call her, the only one who's in actual therapy is
• 22:54
  Howie. Yeah, and that and that.
• 22:56
  Adds up. And what does he talk about in
• 22:58
  therapy? How his friends are all getting
• 22:59
  their hair cut and talking to the hair cutting lady.
• 23:02
  Who is Jennifer Coolidge so good?
• 23:05
  It's so good. That was such a fun little
• 23:07
  cameo. The casting is really great,
• 23:10
  Yeah. I don't know if you saw in your
• 23:13
  web dive, yeah, but there's a website, as it turns out, called
• 23:18
  TV tropes.com. Have you ever heard of it?
• 23:22
  I don't think. So I had never heard of it
• 23:24
  before today, but I'm going to now be a frequent visitor
• 23:28
  because it's basically a website that takes a movie or a TV show
• 23:32
  and they list out all the tropes in it.
• 23:35
  That's so fun. And so they'll be like, oh, this
• 23:38
  movie has a nickname or someone who gives people nicknames.
• 23:42
  This movie has a a slack off. This movie has a geek.
• 23:48
  Like I love that. I love that this movie has so
• 23:51
  many yeah tropes. And I think what I love about it
• 23:55
  is it's this group of friends and every person is their own
• 23:59
  trope, but they're all still really cohesive.
• 24:01
  Yes, so I relate to, I don't think I'm any one of them.
• 24:08
  I think I relate to the pessimism of Patrick and I
• 24:12
  relate to the uptightness of Howie and the creativeness of
• 24:19
  what's Timothy Olyphants. Dennis Oh my God, how could I
• 24:22
  forget Dennis I don't relate at all to Kevin or Cole.
• 24:31
  And Oh yeah, Justin Theroux playing Marshall, which is
• 24:35
  Howie's like love interest who he's really judgement to love
• 24:39
  and they almost don't work out. But spoiler alert than they do.
• 24:42
  I relate to being in love with Justin Theroux for sure.
• 24:45
  So in that way I also relate to Howie.
• 24:47
  Absolutely yes. I think that, like, and Justin
• 24:50
  Theroux's character, Marshall is like, he smokes weed and he
• 24:54
  doesn't know what he wants to do with his life, but he always
• 24:57
  shows up. But in the beginning of the
• 24:59
  movie, all, all how he can focus on is the bad.
• 25:02
  Like, oh, God, he's like a mess. And then eventually he's like,
• 25:06
  he's a mess, but he loves me and I love him.
• 25:08
  Yeah. And it's so romantic.
• 25:10
  As if how he's not a mess himself.
• 25:12
  Well, and that's the theme of this movie.
• 25:15
  They're all messes. And I think that is why I think
• 25:18
  it has aged so well. Yes.
• 25:21
  Because have you seen Boys in the Band?
• 25:23
  Yes. OK, so that movie was, I mean,
• 25:26
  it was a play first, obviously, and it came out in like 1969,
• 25:32
  eight or nine. And then the first movie came
• 25:34
  out in 1970 and then they just remade it.
• 25:36
  They just made the new Netflix one in 2020.
• 25:39
  Well, that is another movie that I think has aged so well because
• 25:44
  the relationships between gay men are, I think, always just
• 25:49
  going to be like, messy. Everyone's going to have their
• 25:52
  own personality. There's always going to, for
• 25:55
  some reason, be an air of resentment no matter what.
• 26:00
  There's always going to be a tiny bit of jealousy no matter
• 26:02
  what, but there's always going to be a sisterhood, yeah, no
• 26:07
  matter what. Absolutely.
• 26:09
  There's like you get these these people together who have all
• 26:13
  been socialized as boys, so they've all been taught to be
• 26:17
  competitive and that this like scarcity mindset of like there's
• 26:21
  only so many opportunities out there and we all need to kind of
• 26:27
  tear each other down to get them.
• 26:28
  But then at the same time, the sisterhood of like, shared
• 26:32
  experience and like being an outsider and like.
• 26:36
  Yeah, and when shit hits the fan, they show up for each
• 26:38
  other. Exactly so.
• 26:41
  Which I love. Yeah.
• 26:42
  In fact, one of my favorite lines.
• 26:43
  I wrote it in my notes so that I don't get it wrong, Dennis says.
• 26:47
  And I think it was in the beginning or middle of the
• 26:50
  movie. One of his quotes is I can't
• 26:52
  decide if my friends are the best or worst thing that ever
• 26:56
  happened to me. I think that if you have a true
• 26:59
  best friend, at least at some point you ask yourself, was this
• 27:04
  person the literal worst thing that ever happened to me?
• 27:06
  Yeah, and if you haven't thought that.
• 27:09
  Then you're not best. Friends.
• 27:10
  You're not best friends. You're not best friends if
• 27:12
  you've only seen calm waters. Yes.
• 27:15
  And I love that line so much. I think, by the way, this is one
• 27:19
  of the best written movies ever as far as clever dialogue.
• 27:23
  I mean, it is definitely written for people who were born in the
• 27:26
  70s and early 80s. Like I think if you were born in
• 27:30
  that time, it's your peak. Like cultural references are for
• 27:33
  you and stuff like that. But it's so clever.
• 27:37
  There are so many good lines, there are so many relatable 1
• 27:41
  liners. It's so good.
• 27:44
  I mean, we were laughing in the theatre.
• 27:47
  The whole time. And this is 2024.
• 27:50
  This movie is 1/4 of a century old and it feels so relevant.
• 27:55
  It feels like if this were made today, it would have been a
• 28:00
  miniseries. It would have been ATV show.
• 28:03
  Like it probably wouldn't be made as a feature film today,
• 28:06
  which is why I'm glad that it was made as a feature film.
• 28:09
  Like, I'm glad that it is like an hour and a half that we like
• 28:12
  get to see these characters grow and change in a short period of
• 28:15
  time. But it does remind me a lot of
• 28:19
  the types of stories that we see today, especially like queer
• 28:22
  stories. Yes, where it's like it's just
• 28:25
  kind of a messy group of friends trying to figure out their
• 28:28
  lives. And I think that it's so clear
• 28:33
  that that Greg Berlanti, that's how we pronounce it, right?
• 28:39
  The Greg Berlanti. Yes, Greg Berlanti that he like,
• 28:43
  as I was watching this, I was like, oh, this is him and his
• 28:45
  friends, right? And then I looked it up and I
• 28:46
  was like, Yep, it is. Yeah, and his love interest,
• 28:51
  like the Howie Marshall thing, was based on him and an ex.
• 28:54
  I love. That it made me really happy,
• 28:57
  yeah. And I think the most significant
• 29:00
  thing about this movie is that it is a story about gay
• 29:04
  characters. Actually, you know what?
• 29:07
  It's very meta how he says this line.
• 29:10
  For once, I'd like to see a gay character who isn't sick, hasn't
• 29:13
  been laid in three months, and is behind on their student
• 29:16
  loans. And that's what this movie is.
• 29:19
  This is not a story about AIDS. This is, I mean, it's not
• 29:24
  exactly a story about coming out.
• 29:25
  One of the characters is in the process of coming out, but it's
• 29:29
  not a coming out story for all of them.
• 29:31
  It's just a story about like, adults trying to figure out
• 29:35
  their lives. Yes.
• 29:37
  And when I was watching it and thinking then when we when I
• 29:41
  knew we were going to do this episode, like what would I take
• 29:43
  out of it, if anything? Yeah, At first I thought, well,
• 29:46
  I would just take out the coming out storyline because that's a
• 29:48
  little antiquated. But then I thought, actually,
• 29:50
  no, it's not. I think it's important.
• 29:52
  I think that it's important that it was in there because it's not
• 29:54
  the story, but it is a story. Yeah, out of like 8 stories,
• 29:59
  yeah, one of them should probably be a coming out one.
• 30:01
  And also it's one of the best moments in the whole thing when
• 30:05
  he tells another character about it.
• 30:07
  Incredible. Did you write the line?
• 30:08
  That's great. I love Key Lime Pie and I'm gay.
• 30:11
  Yeah, that's how he comes out to his mom.
• 30:13
  And we don't even see him come out to his mom.
• 30:15
  It's Andrew Keegan telling Timothy Olyphant about coming
• 30:20
  out to his mom. And he is in the kitchen.
• 30:23
  And it's such a sweet little scene.
• 30:25
  And he's like, and my mom served the Key Lime Pie, and I said, I
• 30:29
  love Key Lime Pie and I'm gay. The theater.
• 30:32
  All eight of us were cackling. We loved it.
• 30:36
  All eight of us in the movie theater were cackling.
• 30:39
  Amazing. It was so good.
• 30:40
  But this, this movie has so much.
• 30:42
  I mean, OK, I have to share the lines that I wrote down because
• 30:45
  these are lines that I was like, if this were a movie today, or
• 30:50
  to be honest with you, how I would love to see this is as a
• 30:52
  stage play. This would be such a good stage
• 30:57
  play because it's got such a great ensemble.
• 31:00
  Yes. And here's the thing, it's kind
• 31:04
  of a reverse engineering of boys in the band, you know?
• 31:07
  Yes. Could be cool if we went back.
• 31:10
  To it really is if. We really should kind of just
• 31:12
  take it to the stage. I would love to see it.
• 31:15
  I would love to be in it. Same.
• 31:17
  I mean, we can't ever have an episode without talking about
• 31:20
  how we were doing. In it, yeah, because.
• 31:22
  Totally. We have to.
• 31:23
  And I wish that there was another character that wasn't
• 31:28
  just like the sister and her wife.
• 31:31
  Like it would have been cool if they had like kind of a token
• 31:35
  lesbian or just like kind of a token girl in the group.
• 31:39
  I wouldn't mind Billy Porter's character having been a lesbian,
• 31:44
  like going through a messy breakup.
• 31:46
  I want to see because those two lesbians they have are so stone
• 31:49
  cold and emotionless. Yeah, they're kind of, those two
• 31:53
  are kind of pigeonholed, you know, kind of this like these
• 31:57
  lesbian stereotypes of like, oh, they just want to settle down.
• 32:01
  And have a baby. And they have no sense of humor.
• 32:04
  And they have they they don't ever like cry or even like Nya.
• 32:09
  Long's character is just bitchy, but even that is really cold and
• 32:14
  impersonal. Bitchy in a fun way, She's
• 32:16
  bitchy in sort of just a mean way.
• 32:18
  Exactly. And so I think if you took Billy
• 32:20
  Porter's character Taylor, who's going through the breakup and is
• 32:24
  so obnoxious about everything, redecorates the house with an
• 32:28
  African theme, even though he's only a houseguest, and then they
• 32:32
  call him Mufasa, which I'm like, I don't know about that.
• 32:36
  Also lol. But also, it's so funny.
• 32:38
  And we all know which character I would be in this movie, and
• 32:43
  it's him. I would pay so much money, thank
• 32:47
  you for you to be the one going through a messy breakup and then
• 32:51
  you have just a horde of gay men taking care of you.
• 32:55
  I would love that I. Would love that too.
• 32:58
  Because I was, at first, I was like, well, I think it'd be cute
• 33:02
  to have a girl play the Cole character, Dean Kane's
• 33:08
  character. Like, she's a hot softball girl.
• 33:12
  She's a womanizer. Totally.
• 33:14
  She's a hey Mama and. You know what I would I cuz who
• 33:17
  I'm thinking of. Did you ever watch sex life of
• 33:20
  College girls? Yeah, how Renee Rapp in that was
• 33:23
  like a hot lesbian and just. It was about how hot she was.
• 33:29
  Yeah, I'm like good for. Her and period.
• 33:31
  That's exactly right. And she that's how the Dean Kane
• 33:34
  character, I think would translate into her character on
• 33:37
  that show. Absolutely, yeah.
• 33:38
  We wouldn't have sex lives with college girls without Broken
• 33:41
  Hearts Club. That's what I think.
• 33:43
  Well, you said it. Thanks and I have to agree
• 33:46
  cosine cosine. But I wrote down some lines that
• 33:49
  I think are aged really well. OK, let's hear them.
• 33:52
  OK, so the first one is by Howie.
• 33:56
  OK. I think I've probably said some
• 33:58
  variation of this before. Dumb gorgeous people should not
• 34:03
  be allowed to use literature when competing in the pickup
• 34:06
  pool. It's like bald people wearing
• 34:08
  hats. It's deceiving.
• 34:10
  That is so real. I I did laugh out loud.
• 34:14
  Or I hate you know, when gays do it, gays do that.
• 34:17
  We're talking about music. Oh my God, I have a friend who
• 34:21
  just went through this. I have a friend who just went
• 34:24
  through this where he was bamboozled by a gay man who used
• 34:29
  he weaponized cool music. Oh, I could totally he.
• 34:33
  Weaponized it. That is a thing gay men do.
• 34:35
  They'll be like, oh, I'm really into Fiona Apple.
• 34:39
  Yeah, or like, oh, did you listen to the new Lord album?
• 34:43
  Oh, give me a break. Give me a fucking.
• 34:46
  Give me a break. As if I don't do that all the
• 34:48
  time. I mean, I do it all the time.
• 34:52
  I have listened to the new Lord album, but of course, did I tell
• 34:54
  everyone about it? Yeah, yeah, of course, one of
• 34:58
  the ones that is said by Jack, who is the patriarch of this.
• 35:02
  Yeah, which this adds an extra layer because he obviously is
• 35:06
  coming from an older era. So he's seen stuff even by 2000.
• 35:12
  And he tells. I think it's Dennis.
• 35:14
  He says, sometimes I wonder what you boys would do if you weren't
• 35:18
  gay. You'd have no identity.
• 35:20
  It was easy when you couldn't talk about it.
• 35:23
  Now it's all you talk about. You talk about it so much that
• 35:25
  you forget about all the other things that you are.
• 35:29
  Yeah. That is so real.
• 35:32
  Yeah. That is timeless.
• 35:33
  That will continue to age well, forever because as like a gay
• 35:40
  man, I even did that. I like, there's literally a
• 35:43
  chunk in my book where I was like, yeah, I came out and I had
• 35:46
  to make it my whole personality. And part of I in my opinion,
• 35:51
  some gays might hate me for this.
• 35:53
  OK, get ready to be cancelled. Part of the gay experience
• 35:56
  should be learning what you are besides gay because a lot of 30
• 36:02
  something 40 something people don't know what they are besides
• 36:06
  gay. All of the men in this movie
• 36:09
  have something that they're unwilling to admit about
• 36:13
  themselves, and they would be just so much better off.
• 36:18
  They would be so much happier, so much more fulfilled.
• 36:20
  Their quality of life. Say, yeah, I think I'm ugly and
• 36:25
  I need to work through that. You know I need to work, I need
• 36:27
  to work on myself image or. Fucking Benji.
• 36:30
  I have a little bit of a meth problem.
• 36:32
  Yeah, just a tiny. Bit just like it is just it's a
• 36:35
  tiny bit. I mean, it's, yeah, it's short
• 36:37
  lived at first. I was like.
• 36:39
  Honestly, show more meth. More meth.
• 36:41
  More meth. I would really take him down the
• 36:43
  rabbit hole if we remade this. I really think that we needed
• 36:47
  more meth in this movie. It could have been a lot sadder,
• 36:52
  but you know what? I don't know.
• 36:53
  There's part of me that's like, I want this movie to be sadder.
• 36:56
  And then I'm also like, no, I don't.
• 36:58
  The sadness creeps in at the end.
• 37:01
  Oh, it does. Did do you think that Jack had
• 37:05
  to die? So we're spoiling that.
• 37:07
  OK, good. Well, yeah, I mean, if you
• 37:10
  haven't watched the movie, you're sick and you should still
• 37:12
  watch it, spoilers or not. But I.
• 37:14
  Think. I did actually ask myself, would
• 37:18
  I kill Jack off still? Jack off, Jack off.
• 37:21
  I heard it too. Would I kill off Jack still?
• 37:26
  I think now I would kill off the loving husband.
• 37:29
  Oh, who didn't have any lines anyway.
• 37:32
  But at the same time, I'm like, would that have the same impact?
• 37:35
  I don't know. And I would like it to have the
• 37:37
  impact. And also I love the idea of, I
• 37:41
  mean, literally one of my favorite themes is legacy.
• 37:44
  And I think that really drives home the whole legacy theme of
• 37:49
  this movie when he died and they realize that all they have is
• 37:53
  each other now. Yes, I think it would have been
• 37:55
  so much better because then they would have said, Oh my gosh,
• 37:58
  like we never even knew his name.
• 38:00
  We called our this role model of ours who we spend all our time
• 38:05
  with his partner. We never say his name.
• 38:08
  We literally just call him purple guy.
• 38:09
  I thought that was a little bit weird.
• 38:11
  It's like that's what you call someone when you first meet them
• 38:13
  and you don't know their name yet.
• 38:14
  Which they do in this movie all the time.
• 38:16
  Like Idaho guy? Idaho guy, that was so funny.
• 38:19
  They're like, they're like, why do you call him Idaho guy?
• 38:21
  They're like, doesn't, don't you think he just looks like he's
• 38:23
  from Idaho? Yeah, they don't even know if
• 38:24
  he's from Idaho. I know.
• 38:25
  And I love you know what? That's also really relatable.
• 38:27
  Who has not done that? Ohh, of course.
• 38:30
  Are you still going out with? Yeah, Waker, Oats guy, we all
• 38:32
  have our names for like we do. Yeah, totally.
• 38:36
  But it that's because oftentimes it's in the beginning when you
• 38:39
  can't be bothered to remember someone's name.
• 38:41
  This is like basically their father-in-law, OK?
• 38:45
  And they don't even know his name.
• 38:46
  I know that's. All their softball games, I know
• 38:49
  they should have learned his name, but they're all too
• 38:51
  self-centered to. Do and they're in their 20s.
• 38:54
  Exactly. And they're gay, so some things
• 38:56
  never change. Am I right?
• 38:59
  That that I think I would. I would leave that the same
• 39:03
  yeah, I would leave that the same.
• 39:05
  But I love the wisdom that that character brings and and I think
• 39:10
  that's why I would keep it the same is because it makes
• 39:12
  everything he does in the movie more meaningful.
• 39:16
  And Jack dies of what we what is probably a heart attack.
• 39:21
  It totally is. He dies of something that isn't
• 39:24
  AIDS related and I think that's important.
• 39:26
  That's important to see somebody, you know, just kind of
• 39:30
  die of natural causes and not that it doesn't have to be.
• 39:33
  Yeah. I mean, of course, I don't want
• 39:34
  to say like, you know, no more AIDS storylines, but like, I
• 39:38
  think it was important that they showed that.
• 39:40
  Well, and one thing I will say is it's almost, I don't want to
• 39:45
  say it was smart of them not to put it in, but it's one thing
• 39:48
  that there's no way they could have talked about AIDS at that
• 39:51
  time that would have aged well. Because even when we watched all
• 39:54
  over the guy, part of that when he's interacting with Doris
• 39:57
  Roberts is that he's waiting to get tested for HIV.
• 40:01
  And the conversations about that you would even have with someone
• 40:05
  at an HIV testing place are so different than they were then.
• 40:08
  There's no way that could have aged well.
• 40:10
  And so at first I was like, would I add something in about
• 40:12
  that? And I'm like, well.
• 40:14
  If we were doing a story about gay men, it would probably
• 40:17
  include stuff about hookup culture and therefore would
• 40:19
  probably include some kind of joke at least about Prep.
• 40:22
  Yeah, for sure. But I appreciate.
• 40:23
  Maybe like new prep just dropped.
• 40:25
  Yeah, every time that a new prep drops.
• 40:28
  Like a new shot. My new pill my I have a group
• 40:31
  chat where we always the group chat name is always just like
• 40:35
  the new prep that dropped. And that is your next OGT.
• 40:38
  Exactly. That's an obviously gay trait.
• 40:41
  You are a gay man. And I've, I literally have
• 40:44
  always said that. Yeah.
• 40:45
  Absolutely. One of the other lines that I
• 40:47
  really loved was by Taylor, AKA the character you're going to
• 40:51
  take over of. Course.
• 40:53
  But this was just very Sex in the City to me.
• 40:55
  It's when he found out that his boyfriend didn't want to be with
• 40:58
  him anymore and he said I was left for another man.
• 41:02
  And not just any other man, a trainer.
• 41:05
  A trainer named Dash was left for a punctuation mark.
• 41:10
  That is some Carrie Bradshaw shit.
• 41:13
  I would love the opportunity to say that I want to get a
• 41:15
  boyfriend just for him to leave me for a trainer named Dash.
• 41:19
  Yeah, that line is so good. It is so funny the writing in
• 41:23
  this movie. Actually that's like my last one
• 41:27
  because the last one I had was by Kevin, which was it just kind
• 41:30
  of slipped out. My mom said she made some Key
• 41:32
  Lime Pie and I said great, I love Key Lime Pie and I'm gay.
• 41:36
  And I'm gay. Key Lime Pie is the gay icon.
• 41:42
  Like remember when everyone was saying The Babadook was the new
• 41:44
  gay icon? Absolutely.
• 41:45
  Key Lime Pie. Yeah, put it on T-shirts.
• 41:48
  Absolutely. Let it leave the Pride parade.
• 41:51
  The the new a Grand Marshall. Plate of Key Lime Pie on the
• 41:56
  front of a convertible? Yes, with the new pride flag.
• 41:59
  Yes, whatever it is by next. Marie Calendar is the new
• 42:03
  sponsor of Pride. Someone needs to because can we
• 42:05
  just talk about this for a minute?
• 42:06
  The main sponsor of Pride this year was the Mortuary.
• 42:09
  That was tough. Like when I opened my 5K bag and
• 42:13
  I pulled out a full magazine for the Mortuary, Yeah, I was like,
• 42:17
  this is 2 on the nose. He said Babes, we're gonna let
• 42:21
  you all die. Babes, Babes.
• 42:24
  I mean, pride is dead. Everyone does die and it's very
• 42:27
  smart actually of them to go for the gay market.
• 42:30
  Because guess what? If you're a Mortuary, what is
• 42:35
  your, what's like, you know, what's the market?
• 42:38
  All people, Because all people die.
• 42:41
  And you know, actually at Pride, no mortuaries ever try to show
• 42:45
  their support for me. Until now.
• 42:47
  Until now. So maybe it's a good thing that
• 42:48
  all these corporate sponsors pulled out of pride and are
• 42:51
  embarrassed of gay people now. Yeah, because now we know who
• 42:54
  our real allies are, our allies in life and death.
• 42:59
  Yep, at least I'll have a home after I'm dead.
• 43:03
  They don't give a shit about you now, but at least they'll care
• 43:06
  when you're dead. Oh God OK, one of my favorite
• 43:09
  lines. Oh yes.
• 43:11
  Is well I have a few OK so Jack says to which one is it Patrick
• 43:20
  He says some people are just gay and average we're the strongest
• 43:24
  I think cuz he's like instead of telling him like no you're not
• 43:29
  you're not ugly you're hot or like you just need to love
• 43:33
  yourself he's. Gonna embrace it.
• 43:34
  He's like, why not? Why not just be neutral?
• 43:37
  You know, maybe you're just gay and average.
• 43:40
  That's another reason I think this movie aged well, because
• 43:44
  there will always be average gay men, yeah, who feel hideous.
• 43:50
  I'm right here. And yet.
• 43:53
  And yet I'm amazing. Period.
• 43:56
  That's also part of the gay journey, yeah, Realizing, yeah,
• 44:00
  you do look average, but on the inside, you're amazing.
• 44:07
  So you have so many other good qualities.
• 44:09
  It's fun. I'd rather it be this way
• 44:10
  because a lot of gay men just stop at what they are on the
• 44:13
  outside, so if they're hot they never even find out what's on
• 44:15
  the inside. Exactly, and that's why they're
• 44:17
  using the new Lord album or literature to make themselves
• 44:21
  interesting. Correct.
• 44:23
  But to be clear, you are gorgeous.
• 44:27
  Wow, that's a nice. Thing I would never say that
• 44:29
  you're just gay and average. So you won't be playing Jack.
• 44:33
  I won't be playing Jack. OK, So also someone does say how
• 44:38
  he says you do the math. And I looked at you when we were
• 44:41
  watching this. I was like Cameron.
• 44:43
  You literally grabbed my arm and I grabbed my heart because I,
• 44:48
  you know, I love that. Saying.
• 44:51
  Which also wasn't all over the guy and I didn't know what the
• 44:54
  time like did. I actually picked this up a long
• 44:56
  time ago from all over the guy. Now I'm like, maybe I picked it
• 44:59
  up from the Broken Hearts club. I loved it.
• 45:01
  I loved. It you do the math.
• 45:02
  And it was, and it was in the context of actually doing math,
• 45:06
  which I thought was so funny because typically it's not.
• 45:11
  And that's another thing I love about that line.
• 45:13
  But in this example, he's talking about the other baseball
• 45:16
  team that they're playing softball, baseball, whatever.
• 45:19
  And he's like, OK, so it's a team of 11, and statistically,
• 45:22
  one out of every 10 men is gay You.
• 45:24
  Do the math, you do the math. I said that's a perfect way to
• 45:28
  use that line. Howie, way to go.
• 45:30
  Well it's also the most imperfect way to use it cuz it's
• 45:34
  so funny when you use it. It has.
• 45:35
  Nothing. It has nothing to do with math.
• 45:37
  That's so. True.
• 45:38
  I'm like I'm a gay and I got in a car accident.
• 45:40
  You do math. You.
• 45:40
  Do the math and honestly saying you do the math is one of your
• 45:44
  Ogts. Oh, you're so right that and and
• 45:47
  just like that. Exactly.
• 45:50
  I love a drop in that. One I know.
• 45:52
  And I've always said that I those are my things.
• 45:57
  Yeah, I need, actually need to turn up the.
• 45:59
  You do the math. Yeah, you do.
• 46:01
  I really don't think enough people know that about me until
• 46:04
  now. Until now.
• 46:05
  And then you do the math. You do the math, all right?
• 46:09
  I believe there are gay numbers is what 1 of Howie's dates says.
• 46:14
  To him, that's so good. And that was so funny.
• 46:18
  Because you know what I think if I asked any gay man, do you
• 46:21
  believe there's such thing as a gay number?
• 46:23
  Yeah. I believe somewhere around 100%
• 46:28
  would say yeah, Yeah. And if I said why?
• 46:31
  No idea. No, no further comment, he said.
• 46:35
  Have you ever considered the number 38?
• 46:39
  You do the math. You do the math, OK.
• 46:42
  And then one thing that really this is not a favorite line, but
• 46:47
  a line that stuck out to me because it reminded me that
• 46:51
  marriage equality was still like 12 years away.
• 46:54
  Oh, yeah. They keep, they kept saying
• 46:56
  about that actor, he's not gay. He's married.
• 46:59
  In my mind when I first heard it, I go, oh, well, And he's
• 47:02
  they didn't say he's married to a woman.
• 47:04
  They just said he's married. I said, Oh yeah, that's.
• 47:07
  Supposed to be assumed. That is the only way 2000 were
• 47:12
  married. Whoa, yeah.
• 47:14
  Not even in one state at that time was it legal.
• 47:17
  Not even in Massachusetts? Nope.
• 47:19
  For another four years. Crazy, yeah.
• 47:21
  Yeah. So yeah, that kind of rocked me
• 47:26
  a little bit that this movie is, yeah, it's 25 years old, but
• 47:30
  that's not that long ago. Billy Porter looks the same.
• 47:35
  Billy Porter has not aged. No.
• 47:37
  In 25 years, yet it was still so far from just marriage equality,
• 47:43
  it. Was let me ask you if you would
• 47:45
  keep this storyline in or what do you think about the closeted
• 47:48
  actor storyline? Oh, I liked it.
• 47:50
  You like that? Would you like it for now?
• 47:53
  Yeah, because I think there are still so many closeted actors in
• 47:56
  Hollywood. Especially.
• 47:58
  Like in that age range, like and they have a beard that they're
• 48:02
  married to and like they just hook up with the extra in their
• 48:09
  in their trailer in which and he said I'm not an extra.
• 48:11
  I love that when he stood up for himself, he's like, I have 7
• 48:13
  lines. OK, I've been here a month.
• 48:15
  That's real. Yeah, that is real.
• 48:17
  I. Feel that way?
• 48:18
  Yeah, I would. Yeah, I thought that it was, it
• 48:22
  was a good reminder. I think it would be even a good
• 48:25
  reminder today that, like, there's still so many,
• 48:29
  especially men in Hollywood who are closeted because of, you
• 48:33
  know. I think I would turn that
• 48:35
  storyline up. Like in the movie, he and the
• 48:40
  main actor guy are hooking or they're not even hooking up.
• 48:46
  Yeah, they're about to hook up. Yeah.
• 48:47
  And then? But it's assumed that they've
• 48:49
  been hooking. Up.
• 48:50
  Yeah, and they've been hooking up, but then there's like a
• 48:52
  knock on the door and they're thrown.
• 48:54
  And then that's the end of that story.
• 48:57
  I would have had them get caught by the beard wife and then I
• 49:01
  would have had the beard wife be like, I don't care because she
• 49:04
  has a girlfriend. Literally.
• 49:07
  That's what I would have. That would have been fun.
• 49:08
  Well, that's what we will do. It's what we will do when we
• 49:11
  make this movie in our. Studio where we remake movies
• 49:13
  because there are now a growing amount.
• 49:16
  Yes, absolutely. We have a lot of work to do.
• 49:19
  A lot, but I think that it was really interesting to see how
• 49:23
  that character Cole, who's usually he's used to being arm
• 49:26
  candy, you know, he's used to being shown off.
• 49:29
  He is used to saying this right here is the money maker.
• 49:33
  The tables have turned and he has to like reckon with that.
• 49:37
  And it's I mean, it's really sad to see like obviously he's
• 49:40
  devastated that he's being like hidden by this guy.
• 49:44
  I mean, he knew what he was getting into when he started
• 49:46
  hooking up with a closeted guy, but still, it was interesting to
• 49:50
  see how that character dealt with that, and I think that that
• 49:53
  is timeless. I think so too, and upon
• 49:57
  remembering that, Taylor's now going to be you.
• 50:01
  Right. Or I think actually we should
• 50:06
  just make both girls OK, and that way the actor's also a girl
• 50:12
  OK? Because then the hot closeted
• 50:14
  actor's a woman. Yeah, I would like to see a
• 50:18
  closeted woman actor. Yeah.
• 50:20
  And like, she's closeted in the year 2025 because her whole
• 50:24
  TikTok following is thirsty young men and she has to sit in
• 50:29
  the closet. Oh my God.
• 50:30
  Even though I don't know if that works the same because, you
• 50:32
  know, young men would probably love if she was a lesbian.
• 50:35
  They'd be like kiss, kiss. Yeah, yeah, I don't.
• 50:37
  Know, maybe that's what she's trying to avoid, Maybe I don't
• 50:40
  know. We have some stuff to work out.
• 50:41
  Yeah. Look, we'll get there.
• 50:43
  We're ideating. Yeah.
• 50:46
  Can you believe that That Greg Berlanti was 32 when he directed
• 50:51
  this? I love that he was 32 when he
• 50:53
  directed this he. Wrote it when he was graduating
• 50:56
  college. He wrote this movie in his 20s.
• 50:58
  I think that's why he feels so real.
• 51:00
  Yeah. He wrote it before he was, like,
• 51:02
  too enveloped in the industry. Yeah.
• 51:07
  He had worked on Dawson's Creek, right?
• 51:10
  Yeah. And like in the future, he ended
• 51:14
  up doing Love Simon. He directed Love Simon, and Love
• 51:19
  Simon came out 18 years after this movie did.
• 51:22
  And for the record, I when Love Simon came down, came out, that
• 51:27
  fucked me up. I went to go see that movie, I'm
• 51:30
  not kidding, in the theater 12 times.
• 51:32
  Wow. I went and then I would ask
• 51:35
  another person, have you seen Love Simon yet?
• 51:36
  And they're like, no. And I'm like, will you go with
• 51:38
  me? Oh my God, A few times I went by
• 51:39
  myself. Wow, I love that movie so much.
• 51:43
  I felt like it was so relatable. It was so well directed and it
• 51:46
  also was a little more sanitized than this.
• 51:50
  And I like that this is a little not.
• 51:53
  And maybe part of that is because of the time they said
• 51:56
  some jokes. Maybe they wouldn't say now we
• 51:58
  have better quality cameras now. But just like All in all, it
• 52:03
  felt very real. Yeah.
• 52:05
  It, I think that's part of also why it holds up.
• 52:08
  Yeah, it's really universal feeling.
• 52:11
  How do you think? Like what's your opinion as not
• 52:14
  a gay man about this movie feeling universal?
• 52:17
  I think that it does feel OK. So on the one hand, I feel like
• 52:23
  this movie was made by and for gay men in a way.
• 52:30
  However, I don't think that it as like watching it as a woman.
• 52:36
  I don't feel like, oh, I can never understand or like, oh,
• 52:39
  this wasn't made for me. This movie still, I think maybe
• 52:43
  because I'm in my early 30s, I'm like, no, this movie feels made
• 52:45
  for me. Like my friends and I just like
• 52:49
  trying to figure out life and like being messy and the feeling
• 52:54
  of like trying to figure out who you are and like hating but also
• 52:58
  loving your friends and and the feeling of like just trying to
• 53:04
  feel where you fit in and. Yeah, I think a lot of it is
• 53:09
  about being in that age range where you're asking yourself a
• 53:14
  lot of questions about what you want and who you want to be, and
• 53:17
  not only who you want to be to yourself, but who you want to be
• 53:20
  to other people. Like one of the things I love,
• 53:23
  like everyone has development, character development throughout
• 53:27
  this movie, But Dennis or Timothy Olyphant's character,
• 53:30
  his whole thing is that he's kind of avoid it in the
• 53:34
  beginning. And you know from early on that
• 53:38
  he doesn't want to feel lonely, but he's not Patrick cynical,
• 53:43
  but he's still cynical and he's just scared.
• 53:46
  And he also like he just feels jaded in a way because he just
• 53:51
  knows too much, but he's not mad about it, but he just accepts
• 53:54
  that's the way it is. And then when this whole
• 53:56
  storyline happens and he gets to kind of re encounter the naive
• 54:02
  video that is being young through Andrew Keegan character.
• 54:06
  Yeah, it kind of reminds him of like, oh, this is so sweet.
• 54:10
  Yeah. And like, no, I do want this.
• 54:13
  And maybe not. It's not with the young guy
• 54:15
  who's just coming out. But right.
• 54:16
  But he realizes how important it is to have his friends.
• 54:19
  Exactly that is exact. That's what he learns from
• 54:23
  mentoring Andrew Keegan's character is that having friends
• 54:27
  is the most important thing. Yeah, because they do the
• 54:29
  bookend thing, which I love, where in the beginning he says.
• 54:33
  I don't remember when I first realized I was gay, but I
• 54:36
  remember when I first realized it was OK It was because of my
• 54:39
  friends. And then at the end of the
• 54:40
  movie, it's the newly out guy saying, I don't remember when I
• 54:44
  first realized I was gay, but I remember when I first realized
• 54:46
  it was OK. These guys so sweet.
• 54:49
  It is the sweetest, Yeah. Most wholesome gay movie you'll
• 54:53
  ever see that doesn't feel cheesy.
• 54:55
  Yes, because it just because so much of it is funny and clever
• 55:01
  and not just like jokes that you would expect.
• 55:05
  And while while each of these characters is kind of their own
• 55:09
  trope, they're not they're not so simple that they're just like
• 55:15
  a trope. Only I feel like we can kind of
• 55:18
  pick out like, you know, like the neurotic one, the hot one,
• 55:23
  that all of that, but they're still full characters.
• 55:27
  Yeah, they still have depth. Which is amazing to have fully
• 55:31
  developed characters, so many of them I know in a 90 minute
• 55:35
  movie, that's incredible. Actually, that really is, and I
• 55:39
  never really thought about it, but yeah, they all have their
• 55:42
  own arcs. They all have their own things
• 55:45
  besides being gay. Yeah.
• 55:47
  They all have pretty transformative storylines in 90
• 55:54
  minutes. And I think in part that's
• 55:56
  because this isn't a super plot driven movie.
• 56:00
  It is really more of a character driven movie.
• 56:02
  That's so true. Like it's about their
• 56:04
  development. Yeah, but not overtly.
• 56:07
  Like it just. It's so organic.
• 56:09
  Yeah. Is what it is.
• 56:11
  Yes. Yeah.
• 56:11
  It's not plot driven. It's character driven.
• 56:14
  It's organic. It's so good.
• 56:17
  And you know what? I think that it's so clear that
• 56:21
  this movie is written by a gay man because even when they like,
• 56:25
  when they like, use F slurs and when they're, like, joking
• 56:28
  around and like making fun of themselves, it comes from a
• 56:31
  place of, like, it comes from a place of love and like, we're
• 56:35
  making fun of ourselves and doesn't feel like, oh, I don't
• 56:39
  like that they wrote that for this character.
• 56:41
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 56:42
  Even though they're all kind of caddy with each other, it's a
• 56:45
  lot less mean spirited than boys in the band.
• 56:48
  Like when boys in the band, it really turns in the second act
• 56:52
  to like a darker tone and everyone starts drinking and
• 56:56
  their real truths come out. Yeah, it gets pretty dark, but I
• 57:00
  feel like even the truths that lie within them are not nearly
• 57:04
  as dark. No.
• 57:06
  And. And it is a thing where they all
• 57:09
  really, really love each other. Yeah, there's so much love.
• 57:12
  So pure I know. One thing I thought about is if
• 57:15
  we made it now, would I put more sex in it because it is a 2000
• 57:21
  gay movie in the sense that there's no sex depicted, yeah.
• 57:26
  But also I kind of like that. They talk about it a lot, which
• 57:30
  I like. I like that they talk about sex
• 57:32
  a lot, but they don't like, I mean, I'm not like I'm glad they
• 57:36
  don't show it, but I like that they talked about it a lot.
• 57:40
  I like that they talk about it, but I do like that they don't
• 57:42
  show it, really. I like that they don't lend a
• 57:46
  minute of the movie to that. Yeah, actually, there's not
• 57:51
  enough time. There's not enough time.
• 57:52
  You have too many characters, and it's so character driven
• 57:57
  that I feel like unless there was a really good reason for one
• 58:01
  of them to have a scene where they're having sex.
• 58:04
  Yeah. I think part of what makes the
• 58:07
  movie so good is it keeps moving.
• 58:11
  And in my opinion, a lot of times, sex scenes slow movies
• 58:15
  down. Yeah.
• 58:16
  Especially because at this point it's like I can watch this on my
• 58:20
  own time, get back to the story. Sure, wrap it up.
• 58:22
  Wrap it up, Yeah. Totally.
• 58:25
  So. Anyway, well, one thing that I
• 58:27
  didn't love about the way that like they talk about sex in the
• 58:31
  way that sexuality is depicted in this movie is they're working
• 58:36
  under the assumption that being in a relationship or wanting to
• 58:40
  be in a relationship equals maturity.
• 58:44
  And the way that Dennis is like, oh, well.
• 58:47
  I, I can't do this like hookup thing anymore because I'm
• 58:52
  evolved like this idea that like you're more evolved if you are
• 58:55
  in a relationship or want a relationship.
• 58:57
  And even though they tried to kind of poke holes in that with
• 59:01
  Taylor's character because he's like as a person in a
• 59:03
  relationship, blah, blah, blah, and he gets knocked off of his
• 59:06
  high horse, there's still this central theme of like.
• 59:11
  It's still the ideal. Yeah, it's still the ideal to be
• 59:14
  in this like long term committed relationship and that that means
• 59:18
  that you've, you know, developed as an adult.
• 59:21
  Yeah, Although I will say what I really like that they do is that
• 59:26
  when Andrew Keegan's character is like really coming out and
• 59:30
  you know that Dennis has feelings for him, but at the end
• 59:34
  he's like, you're young and you should be.
• 59:37
  You should play the field. Yeah.
• 59:39
  And yeah, you're right. Like at the end of the day, the
• 59:43
  trajectory that they're clearly promoting is that you should
• 59:47
  play the field and then that way you can get it out of your
• 59:50
  system. Yeah.
• 59:51
  Exactly. It's like, oh, you're young, you
• 59:53
  should play the field. Yeah.
• 59:54
  So I'm glad they at least did that.
• 59:56
  But you're right, like at the end of it, all of them do still,
• 1:00:00
  which that's very 2000. I think that's something that
• 1:00:02
  maybe I would tweak. I bet OK if we were to remake
• 1:00:05
  this today, one or two of them would be Paulie and it would be
• 1:00:08
  so messy. Oh God, maybe that would be
• 1:00:11
  Taylor's thing. Oh my God.
• 1:00:14
  OK. Like I think Taylor's thing
• 1:00:16
  should actually be that she she agreed to be in a triad and then
• 1:00:21
  the other two shot. Vacation together without her
• 1:00:24
  and decide it and they like they FaceTime her and they're like,
• 1:00:27
  look, it's not gonna work. I need to get in touch with Greg
• 1:00:30
  Brillantine now. And you know what's great about
• 1:00:32
  Taylor is that we don't even have to change the name.
• 1:00:35
  No, we don't. You are Taylor.
• 1:00:37
  Works for a boy or girl, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you and Billy
• 1:00:40
  Porter basically the same. And I've always said that.
• 1:00:43
  I really you do the math, you do the math.
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  OK, Cameron, what else do we have to discuss with this movie
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  as we creep up on an hour? What?
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  Oh wait, I do have to ask you a question.
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  OK, who would you kick out of bed?
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  Grimace or the Hamburglar? That is a question that they ask
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  and I want to know your answer. I would kick Grimace out of bed
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  because since I was a literal child, I had a thing for the
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  hamburger. And can I just tell you, as you
• 1:01:13
  know, I don't drink. But before I quit drinking, when
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  I was like at my messiest death. And you know, where I live at
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  the Spire, there's a common area where people can leave food
• 1:01:27
  deliveries if they can't get up to their floor.
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  One night I came home drunk and it was like 3:00 AM and someone
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  had ordered McDonald's but they hadn't made it downstairs to get
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  it yet. You are the Hamburglar.
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  I grabbed the bag I got in the elevator, and I've never felt
• 1:01:47
  cooler in my life than when I was on my way up to the 41st
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  floor with a bag of stolen McDonald's.
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  And guess what? I don't remember eating it at
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  all. I just know when I woke up in
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  the morning, I went, it smells like McDonald's.
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  And I went into my kitchen and as if a bear had come into my
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  house, like an actual bear, there were just wrappers and
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  cartoons all over the counter. And I was like, did I do this?
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  And so then I quit drinking. Wow.
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  Really soon after that, actually.
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  Like actually that was like a month before I quit.
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  Drinking You said this is a wake up call but also.
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  Was like the Hamburglar. New kink unlocked?
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  Kind of maybe. Stealing McDonald's.
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  I mean, yeah, like, yeah, no. It gave me a whole renewed
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  appreciation for the Hamburglar. I would love to see Marvel dip
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  their toes into a Hamburglar franchise.
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  God, I don't know. I would definitely not kick him
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  out of bed, though. And Grimace scares the shit out
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  of me. I I don't even really have room
• 1:02:50
  to be scared because I promise all my life Grimace is my my
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  sister's number one fear. What?
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  I, for her birthday last year, drew a card of grimace holding a
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  knife saying I'm going to kill you, happy birthday.
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  Because my sister, since we were children, is terrified of the
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  grimace. It is my sister's biggest fear.
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  Wow. So anyway, I would kick him out
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  of bed. I don't.
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  I don't care for him. Totally.
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  And you're an ally to your sister, you know?
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  I'm an ally to my sister. I can't be fucking the enemy.
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  Yeah. No, no, no, Hamburglar in bed
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  forever. Wow.
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  The stripes, the Zorro hat, the mask.
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  Are you kidding? It's the mask it's giving
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  Antonio Banderas. It is, you know, he's hot, so
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  that's a crazy question. Bye.
• 1:03:47
  If someone wouldn't wow say that, I'd be worried.
• 1:03:51
  Yeah, I don't want to meet them. No, no, keep them away.
• 1:03:55
  Anything else that we haven't discussed?
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  I think like I'm begging everyone to watch this movie.
• 1:04:02
  If you watch no other movie to be like, to understand what it's
• 1:04:08
  like to be in a gay friend group, watch this movie.
• 1:04:13
  This and Boys in the Band I think are the two most accurate
• 1:04:15
  portrayals of gay friendship in cinema.
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  Wow. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I mean. It aged so well.
• 1:04:23
  I can't think of another movie that portrays gay friendship
• 1:04:27
  better than this. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:29
  And it's honestly even better than Boys in the Band because
• 1:04:31
  Boys in the Band is antiquated in the fact that their whole
• 1:04:35
  like, if the thing in this movie is that they all think you
• 1:04:37
  should be married even if you're gay, Like you should be in a
• 1:04:40
  committed relationship. The thing in Boys in the Band is
• 1:04:43
  they all have internalized homophobia still, and they all
• 1:04:45
  hate that they're gay. So like, this has aged better
• 1:04:49
  than that. I would say.
• 1:04:51
  It's like my number one movie about gay friendship.
• 1:04:55
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  So not my #1 gay movie, because, you know, my specific gay niche
• 1:04:59
  is movies about AIDS. Of course, yeah.
• 1:05:03
  We all have our thing. Look, we all need to cry
• 1:05:05
  sometimes. Yeah, they make the they're the
• 1:05:07
  best movies, but this is a really good one about gay
• 1:05:10
  friendship. Yeah.
• 1:05:13
  Friends. Friends they It's so interesting
• 1:05:16
  that the subtitle of the movie is a romantic comedy.
• 1:05:21
  The The title of this movie is is.
• 1:05:25
  Sorry, what the fuck are we? Talking Broken Arts Club, a
• 1:05:28
  romantic comedy. Romantic comedy.
• 1:05:30
  No, I agree. In fact, I saw when I was like
• 1:05:32
  doing my little refresh online today, I saw one of the articles
• 1:05:36
  was like, they call this a ROM com, but it's really more of a
• 1:05:39
  dramedy. And I'm like, yeah, correct.
• 1:05:41
  Yeah, it is. And that is so.
• 1:05:46
  It's so Greg Berlanti coded because dramedy is not his
• 1:05:49
  thing. Well, he loves drama.
• 1:05:51
  He loves drama and loves the dramedy.
• 1:05:53
  And loves the dramedy. Who doesn't?
• 1:05:55
  Come on. But I think that The thing is,
• 1:06:01
  it's not really. Yeah.
• 1:06:03
  It's like, not really a romantic comedy, but I think.
• 1:06:05
  But I think that they needed to call it that so that people knew
• 1:06:10
  that it was a fun movie. Yeah, I think it.
• 1:06:14
  Yeah, I think if you're in the move to watch a ROM com, you're
• 1:06:17
  still going to be satisfied. Totally.
• 1:06:19
  That's not how I cost. There's ROM and there's calm.
• 1:06:21
  Yeah, but it's not a ROM com. Yeah, just watch it on a
• 1:06:26
  Tuesday. Yeah.
• 1:06:28
  Doesn't need to be Valentine's Day.
• 1:06:29
  Doesn't need to be pride. No.
• 1:06:31
  And it certainly can't be both at the same time, which is kind
• 1:06:34
  of homophobic. Honestly, it is, yeah.
• 1:06:36
  Yeah, pride is every day. Period.
• 1:06:39
  Mm hmm. And you've always said.
• 1:06:42
  That and I have always said that.
• 1:06:45
  Do you want to tell the people what you what you're looking
• 1:06:49
  forward to with your future projects?
• 1:06:52
  What I'm looking forward to is becoming Molly's sister.
• 1:06:56
  That's what she's referring to because my show, the Cameron
• 1:07:01
  Show, we just wrapped our first season.
• 1:07:03
  Congratulations. Thank you and first season I did
• 1:07:07
  completely self produced so it was like me and my best friend
• 1:07:12
  Michael. I was just.
• 1:07:12
  Gonna you got producer Michael I.
• 1:07:14
  Was gonna say do not leave out Michael.
• 1:07:16
  I would never leave out Michael. Michael was my savior during
• 1:07:20
  this project and mostly it was just important to me to do the
• 1:07:25
  first season at my house and like on my own to see if I even
• 1:07:28
  liked having a podcast. I think that's so wise.
• 1:07:31
  Because it's hard. It actually just so everyone
• 1:07:34
  knows, it's really hard to have a podcast.
• 1:07:36
  And thank you so much for saying that.
• 1:07:37
  And you know what? Yeah, cuz you know, 50% of you
• 1:07:40
  probably have one, but yeah, it's really hard to keep it
• 1:07:44
  going is the thing. And so I just needed to see if I
• 1:07:48
  even liked it. Turns out I love it.
• 1:07:50
  Turns out you're great at it, but we knew that.
• 1:07:52
  It's so fun. We knew you'd be good at it.
• 1:07:54
  It was just a matter of like, will you like it?
• 1:07:56
  Yeah. Could I tolerate it?
• 1:07:58
  Yeah. Turns out yes to both.
• 1:08:00
  So instead of producing at my house anymore, we're moving the
• 1:08:04
  show to Dude IDK Studios, and I'm so excited.
• 1:08:09
  I will miss working with producer Michael because he is
• 1:08:11
  my straight husband and he's really did he really put in the
• 1:08:18
  work. He really did.
• 1:08:20
  But now we get producer Nick. Yay, So exciting.
• 1:08:25
  So exciting. So yeah, I'm really, really,
• 1:08:27
  really excited. We're going to come back in the
• 1:08:29
  fall and I just love knowing we're going to be sisters.
• 1:08:35
  I know, me too. We were always meant to be.
• 1:08:37
  I know. Give me your hand.
• 1:08:39
  We were meant to be we. Were meant to be.
• 1:08:41
  I have been, I've been rooting for this since you told me you
• 1:08:45
  were starting a podcast. I was like, you're going to do
• 1:08:48
  it here, right? You manifested it.
• 1:08:50
  Thank you and I love that for us.
• 1:08:51
  Me too, I love that for the world.
• 1:08:54
  So it's gonna be very incestuous.
• 1:08:56
  I'll come back here more. You'll come on to mine more.
• 1:08:59
  Totally. Lucky you, yeah.
• 1:09:02
  It's all gonna bleed together. People will not know where the
• 1:09:04
  Cameron show starts and did that age well.
• 1:09:06
  Fraternal twins. Identical.
• 1:09:08
  Almost. Almost identical.
• 1:09:10
  It's like, which is why you. Can't talk about how ugly you
• 1:09:12
  are because that I take that personally.
• 1:09:14
  Never saying it again. Thank you.
• 1:09:16
  I'm beautiful in every single way.
• 1:09:20
  And perfect. And you're writing again.
• 1:09:22
  And I'm writing again. I'm writing another book.
• 1:09:24
  So 2 wasn't enough, I guess. No, stay tuned, Stay tuned, stay
• 1:09:28
  tuned. Get yourself a memoir in space,
• 1:09:31
  A gay boys memoir. A mural in.
• 1:09:33
  Space. What did I say?
• 1:09:34
  A memoir in space. I do that all the time.
• 1:09:36
  You do. I do that all the time.
• 1:09:38
  That's why I clocked it, because I was like, is she going to do
• 1:09:40
  it? Oh my God.
• 1:09:41
  Really. It actually made me really
• 1:09:42
  happy. Well, it's called a mural in
• 1:09:45
  space, so don't. A mural in space.
• 1:09:46
  A gay boys memoir. My first book.
• 1:09:48
  Lucas with AK is also out and what I'm working on now is
• 1:09:52
  related to that. To Lucas with AK.
• 1:09:54
  Yeah, so exciting. So bring that back.
• 1:09:57
  Bring back Lucas with AK, yeah. OK.
• 1:10:00
  Yeah, OK, yay. Where do you want people to find
• 1:10:03
  you? Find me, Oh my God, where am I
• 1:10:06
  not? Where?
• 1:10:07
  3 instagrams my name. All you have to really know is
• 1:10:10
  my name is Cameron Tyler and it's Cameron with AK.
• 1:10:15
  Cameron Tyler is my Instagram. Cameron show pod is the pods
• 1:10:18
  Instagram yeah Cameron writes is my author Instagram.
• 1:10:21
  Why? Cuz I'm a Leo, yeah, and I don't
• 1:10:24
  know how to put it all in one spot.
• 1:10:26
  And happy early birthday, by the way.
• 1:10:28
  Thank. You got to be 34.
• 1:10:31
  Halfway to 68, as I call it. I'm half a golden girl.
• 1:10:36
  And and I've always said that. You actually have always said.
• 1:10:39
  That. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:10:40
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:10:41
  Well, listeners, thanks so much for being here.
• 1:10:44
  I hope that you write us a review because it would make me
• 1:10:47
  happy. So make that my early birthday
• 1:10:50
  gift and camp and Cameron's really if you could just write a
• 1:10:53
  review. Wait.
• 1:10:53
  When's your birthday? July 25th.
• 1:10:56
  How do I forget our birthdays are three days apart?
• 1:10:58
  Because you're a self center, Leo and.
• 1:11:01
  That's thank you. Yeah, correct.
• 1:11:03
  Wait, we're also You're Right by Lindsay Benton too, Then all of
• 1:11:06
  ours are. Lindsay's birthday is right by
• 1:11:08
  us. Lindsay's is the day after mine
• 1:11:10
  shut up. Our birthdays are all within 5
• 1:11:12
  days of each. Other Oh my God, that's too
• 1:11:15
  much. They're going to have to nuke us
• 1:11:17
  to get rid. Of us.
• 1:11:17
  I know. Seriously.
• 1:11:18
  Yeah. You can't get rid of us.
• 1:11:21
  Cameron, thank you so much for being here.
• 1:11:23
  This was so fun. Thank you for suggesting this
• 1:11:24
  movie and for inviting me to join you and your cousin to
• 1:11:27
  watch it. It was so fun.
• 1:11:29
  I'm so happy. And I really hope that that I'm
• 1:11:34
  never late to a movie at Alamo Drafthouse again.
• 1:11:36
  Don't do it. I won't.
• 1:11:37
  I'm just going to get there early every.
• 1:11:39
  Time they have your picture behind the counter now you
• 1:11:41
  can't. You literally can't.
• 1:11:42
  Well good thing I change my hair color every 5 minutes.
• 1:11:44
  Thank God. Yeah, seriously.
• 1:11:46
  That's really why I do it. It's so good.
• 1:11:48
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:11:49
  Bye everybody. Bye.