Latest / The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast / A Golden Promise Ring? (Golden Bachelor Season 2 Finale Recap & After The Final Rose)

Transcript

A Golden Promise Ring? (Golden Bachelor Season 2 Finale Recap & After The Final Rose) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost of his podcast finale. Addition,
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: I wish Ben were here. He has his off week
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: and it's his anniversary today. I cannot believe he and
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: Jess were married for four years. Time of freaking flies.
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: It feels like two years. It's so nuts. But they
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: have posted the cutest things of each other today, so
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: check that out and again just sending them the happiest
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: of anniversary wishes. I am joined again by our wonderful
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: podcast producer. I love having Heather on because she does
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: have so many juicy takes. You don't hold back. Love
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: that and I love that especially for a day like
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: today because I watched this finale and like my botox
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: was botoxing because I try to take a picture of
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: myself and like the confused judgy face that I had
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: on the expression the entire episode. It was like my
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: brow was for Road, Yeah, for Road the entire time.
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: Because this episode, I honestly have to say, really proved
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: to me that Mel is the worst lead this franchise
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: has ever chosen. They this was a massive mistake, and
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: I think my biggest takeaway from this as far as
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: just like my feelings go, is that it's unfortunate that
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: he was this golden There's so many reasons why he
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: was unfortunately this Golden Bachelor, but the one that makes
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: me the most sad I worry that there will never
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: be a Golden series after this. And his runner up,
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: whatever the heck you want to call her, Cindy, was
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: made to be a lead as the Golden Bachelor.
• 1:57
  Speaker 3: Att I think you took the words right out of
• 2:00
  Speaker 3: my mouth.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh good.
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: I sent a text message as soon as I was
• 2:04
  Speaker 3: done watching it, going worst finale in Bachelor history. I
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: think so.
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: I mean it was, I think so. It was.
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: It was devoid of everything that we know and love
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: from this franchise. Take take everything that we know the
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: Bachelor to be. Dramatic, emotional twists gone from this. I mean,
• 2:26
  Speaker 3: there was just none of that, and I and I
• 2:29
  Speaker 3: just left feeling huh. I was like huh at the
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: end of this, yeah, two hour finale? Also, why did
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: we need to make it two hours? Like we've blazed
• 2:41
  Speaker 3: through his entire season thus far, we could have really
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: blazed through this finale too. They tried to really milk
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: something when there was no milk.
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: There was no milk. Yeah. As far as finales go,
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: have there been like crappier finales in the sense that
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: the couples don't end up together. Of course, Yeah, but
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: at least there's so much emotion involved because there was
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: probably so much love or lust involved too. The fact
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: about this finale is there was no feeling. We actually
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: had two people who end up ended up together who
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: basically didn't say I love you. This is the first
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: time I think in Bachelor history that they didn't say
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: I love I guess it was Wuan Pablo because Wan
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: Pablo didn't say I love you to Nikki. He said
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: I like you a lot. That was very famous. But
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: there was still way more passion in that season than
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: this season. This was devout, devoid of all emotion. I'm
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: actually kind of I mean, I'm certainly glad he ended
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: up with Peg, who they both admit are not mushy
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: people and they don't fall fast, and they obviously didn't
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: prioritize marriage at all. It makes sense that they ended
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: up together very happy. I'm very very happy that Cindy
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: eliminated herself. That girl woman rocked it. Throughout this. Throughout
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: the first half of the episode, I kept saying, this
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: guy's a fucking dick. I can't believe this dick. Fucking dick.
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe what I was seeing. He She was like,
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: how how do you feel about us? And he'd be like,
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: it's a process, Like, sir, that is not the answer
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: to the question.
• 4:38
  Speaker 3: There could have been other ways he could have gone
• 4:41
  Speaker 3: about that, navigating that conversation right. It could have been
• 4:47
  Speaker 3: I have really strong feelings for you, but there is
• 4:50
  Speaker 3: somebody else involved yet, So I'm not going to make promises,
• 4:55
  Speaker 3: but I do want to take this to the next
• 4:57
  Speaker 3: level or I want you, I want to reassure you,
• 5:00
  Speaker 3: you would let you know that my feelings are genuine
• 5:02
  Speaker 3: or I feel deeply. There wasn't a whole lot of
• 5:06
  Speaker 3: him justifying to her, but I will say this, that
• 5:12
  Speaker 3: to me means he wasn't into her. Like the fact
• 5:14
  Speaker 3: that he wasn't willing to do that. I think she
• 5:17
  Speaker 3: got the message loud and clear, she's not the one.
• 5:20
  Speaker 3: And as much as he felt like kind of sad
• 5:24
  Speaker 3: seeing her go or whatever, I think that for him
• 5:29
  Speaker 3: he also expressed right that kind of saying goodbye to
• 5:32
  Speaker 3: people was a little bit. I think he said at
• 5:34
  Speaker 3: some point in this journey that that was hard for him,
• 5:37
  Speaker 3: and I think her self eliminating was probably easier for
• 5:42
  Speaker 3: him because I don't think he wanted to hurt her.
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, one of the most lame o things that
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: happened was that he he was like annoyed by the
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: fact that she left. He said, you have to finish
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: the game, basic, and I was like, sir, this is
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: not a sports game. This is a game of love.
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: And I'm really glad that Jesse spoke up and said, well,
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: there comes a point where you do need validation.
• 6:14
  Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, and and she said back, like before he uh,
• 6:20
  Speaker 3: you know, talked about that when she was on stage
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: with Jesse. She had said she doesn't need to convince
• 6:26
  Speaker 3: a man to love her. And the audience who show
• 6:29
  Speaker 3: hollered for that because that was like such a great moment, right.
• 6:34
  Speaker 3: It kind of goes back to what she had said
• 6:36
  Speaker 3: previously on the show that I think both resonated for
• 6:39
  Speaker 3: you and I when she said, if you're not going
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: to choose me, I know somebody else will. And she
• 6:46
  Speaker 3: straight up said that to him, so like the girl
• 6:49
  Speaker 3: knows I think she knows she's a bombshell. She knows
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: she's really cool, and she's just like, if you're not
• 6:56
  Speaker 3: into it, she's probably not a million guys like in
• 6:58
  Speaker 3: her DMS or on her dating apps or whatever back
• 7:01
  Speaker 3: in Texas, Like she knows it.
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: I'm just she was like a girl to me where
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is I mean talk about stereotypes, I know,
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: but like I want her to have like a Texas
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: man and she was dating like a playboy from southern California.
• 7:21
  Speaker 3: Watching her during after the final rowse with Jesse, I said,
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: in my mind when she was talking about like my
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: man is still out there, Cindy is the kind of
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: woman we are going to see hard launch a guy in.
• 7:37
  Speaker 3: I'll say by New Year's Eve, I hope. So I'm
• 7:40
  Speaker 3: going to say by New Year's Eve, Cindy is going
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: to be ringing in the New Year with a hot
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: guy toasting champagne. She is that gorgeous and she is
• 7:49
  Speaker 3: that confident in herself that she has put out there
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: to the universe what she wants and deserves, and that
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: is going to come back tenfold to her. I guarantee it.
• 7:58
  Speaker 3: She is going to find a man like that.
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: She will have all the options in the world. She
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: will be living in real life, the Golden Bachelorette life. Yes,
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: but I also wish that we would at some point
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: be able to see her be the Golden Bachelorette. I
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: just don't think it's really in the cards. I just
• 8:15
  Speaker 2: I think this was such a bomb of a season
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: that I don't see it coming back anytime soon. Oh,
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: but she would have been incredible, lead incredible. I agree.
• 8:24
  Speaker 3: Can I just off topic but on top for a second,
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: because I feel like you are the person to talk
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: to you about this. Her look for after the final rows, Oh,
• 8:34
  Speaker 3: I was like, I was like clapping, I was like stunning.
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes she not.
• 8:41
  Speaker 3: With her red hair and the way that dress looked.
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: Does she not remind you of when Little Mermaid Ariel
• 8:48
  Speaker 3: comes out of the water at the finale at the
• 8:51
  Speaker 3: end with.
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: Her legs the silver drug.
• 8:54
  Speaker 3: That was That was all I was thinking. When she
• 8:56
  Speaker 3: walked out, I.
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: Was like, Oh, that's amazing.
• 8:59
  Speaker 3: No life, Ariel. No, she looked. They both looked fantastic. Oh,
• 9:04
  Speaker 3: Peg looked absolutely beautiful. Her hair looks so good like that,
• 9:07
  Speaker 3: she looks so good, And you know, I'm really happy
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: that they're enjoying their time together. I don't want to
• 9:14
  Speaker 3: be little that at all, because Peg is super cool.
• 9:17
  Speaker 3: I think she could do uh, she could get a
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: much cooler dude.
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: But it's all good. If they want to be dating,
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: that's that's great. She definitely deserves the best. I have questions. Okay, wait,
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: that was so mean. I don't mean that. I just
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: mean that these are two really kick ass women.
• 9:38
  Speaker 3: They are, and they're kick ass in different ways, right.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: And he's just kind of like a snooze. Okay, he's
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: just a snooze.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: I agree. You know what, though maybe I'm maybe I'm
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: in the minority on this. I think that they're gonna
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: I can see them being together for like a long time.
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: Like I could also see them be like a Goldie
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: Hawn Kurt Russell couple, which that doesn't get married. You know.
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: I kind of really liked the vibes between them, and
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: I think that Peg hasn't been super forthright with what
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: happened in her marriage. But we do know that she
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: was cheated on, and we know that during their fantasy
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: suite date they made a real connection in terms of
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: their stories, something that really bonded them. Now I'm not
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: going to read too much between the lines on what
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: that could mean, but I think that what I will
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: say is that divorce burned both of them really bad,
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: is what it seems like. And so if that is
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: something that brings them together and makes them believe in
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: love again, I think that that's incredible. But I think
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: I get the vibe from both of them that marriage
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: is not in the cards because of what happened in
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: their divorce. And I don't want to hold that against people,
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: because divoritely really really hard and you shouldn't. But I
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: also I'm like, looking back, Ashley, do you he never said.
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think he ever said my wife is in
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: this room.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: She said that he did, but I'm not sure I did.
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: Cindy said that she that he did at some point.
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: He may have, he may not have. It's just another reason,
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: like I with Gary season and even Jones season, because
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: this is not like somebody that they're looking to have
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: kids with. I am totally down with like them not
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: having to prioritize marriage on this like sect of the franchise.
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: I kept saying to like about Gary and Teresa, like
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: why did they rush into marriage? Didn't have to really
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: get married. But like in Cindy's case, she wanted to
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: get married and that was her expectation going into the show.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: And I believe that is a totally legit expectation to
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: have going into this show. And this is just another
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: reason why it was, like, why do they pick this man?
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: Not only does he not have a person that jumps
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: off the screen, not only did he mess up on
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: that podcast saying that he didn't want to date women
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: in their sixties, but then in addition to that, he
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: has no desire to really or he seemingly has it
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: not much of a desire to get married to it again.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: And if he does, he's going to take years and
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: years to pull the trigger on that. I want to
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: go back just because you were thinking about you were
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: talking about fantasy suites. It was just a very strange
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: portion of I guess like it was the kind of
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: like the after show when he kept telling Cindy, you
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: didn't stay around for the for the overnight, and like
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: that would have been part of the process, you Like,
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: he made it seem like the overnight was going to
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: actually get him in one day to go from saying
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: I like you, I I can't really say how I
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: feel this is going to having an overnight and then
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: getting engaged like truly the next day, I was like, dude,
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: do not make it seem like it's that it is
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: a big deal. I totally get that the Fantasy Suite
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: does change things, but it doesn't change things that much,
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: so stop blaming it on something other than yourself.
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: So how I interpreted that was that it wasn't more
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: about getting him there. I think that he was saying, like,
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: you didn't go to the overnights, so you didn't actually
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: get to have a conversation with me off camera where
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: I could say, I don't intend to get to get
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: down on one knee. This is what I want, you
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, I think it was more
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: about not about like him and being able to get
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: there with Cindy more as like Cindy being able to
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: understand him. That's how I interpreted it, because he was
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: like after his overnight with Peg, he was like, we
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: were able to talk so much, we are on the
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: same page age blah blah blah. And I think he
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: was very careful about his words on camera through this
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: whole process, and he was very acutely aware, right and
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: I think more so after the podcast comments that roasted him. Right,
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: So if he's at a dinner with her and he
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: is saying, I'm not going to get down on one knee,
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: I can't say I'm going to propose to you. I mean,
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: he just knows he's going to get roasted for that.
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: So I think it was more like, you didn't come
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: to the fantasy suites and let me really talk to
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: you about where I'm at and what I'm doing and
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: reassure you like this is what I want? Is this
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: what you want? No, we're not on the same page. Okay,
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: it's not going to be you. That's kind of how
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: I took it when he was talking about that.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: But again, that's just another reason why he shouldn't have
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: been the Bachelor. If you can't talk about all your
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: stuff on camera. There are certain things that you talk
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: about in a fantasy as I pointing to Jared behind me,
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: you talk about past relationships way more in the closed
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: door of a fantasy SUITEP because you don't want those
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: other people involved that didn't sign up for the show
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: to have their stories on the show. A lot of
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: the times you don't want to do that. It's a
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: respect thing, but he but you should still be able
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: to say stuff like I don't know if I want to,
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think I should get married, or you can
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: talk about your reservations on camera. He obviously was taught
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: he was saving all conversations for the fantasy suitep.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Ben has expressed I think in past recaps that we've done,
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: and I agree with that, give them something, Mel you
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: need to say, you know what. I'm not ready to
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: make an answer on that. And here's why my we
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: never heard my divorce was really difficult, you know, or uh,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: you know, losing that marriage has really shattered my confidence
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: or whatever it is. Instead of giving direct answers, he
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: could have talked about where he was mentally emotionally, and
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: he opted not to do that. And maybe he did
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: that with Peg. Peg swore in her Fantasy Suite that
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: his walls came down and she got to see the
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: other side of him, and I think, yeah, that's what
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: he was kind of. I think that's what he was
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: alluding to. Cindy by saying you didn't come to fantasy suites,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: was like, you didn't actually get to see another side
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: of me because you opted to leave, and that was
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: your choice. But again, I think his mind was already
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: made up. I think he already knew it was going
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: to be PEG, So there shouldn't have been any sort
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: of sense of shame to Cindy leaving because I think
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: it was always going to be PEG.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I agree.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: If you can't remember the ladst time you made out
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: with somebody, it's time for you to listen to I
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Do Part two. Listen to I Do Part two on
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: And now let's talk about but the fact that he
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: made it seem as if Cindy made any wrong moves there,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: but it was really I just think it was again
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: again like kind of an ego bruise, and I don't
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: think he likes ego bruises. I also just want to
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: say thank you to Jesse for saying that she's a
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: class act and like she couldn't imagine anybody class here,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: because it's just exactly how I felt as well. Yeah,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: all right, so now I do feel the chemistry between
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: the family and Peg. She definitely she's a girl mom, right,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: but she definitely has boy mom energy. She's gonna, I
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: feel like, get along with any sort of teenage early
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: twenty some ven year old sons. She was perfect in
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: that moment.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the boys for having never met somebody that
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: he's dated, right, And I mean it doesn't mean that
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: he hasn't dated since his divorce. I think he has.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: But that was kind of a big moment, and those
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: young men were extremely warm and they seemed to just
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: totally hit it off with her like right away, which
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: I thought was nice.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yep, I guess I'm also just sitting here. I'm still
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: like hung up on the fact that, like he just
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: to me was just so cold and awkward to Cindy,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I bring you it back, I bring you back. I'm
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: just reminiscing about their time at that table and how
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: he gave her nothing and it just was so good
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: of her to leave.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I wrote in the notes here that like their conversation
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: after the final rose was also uncomfortable, just like absolutely,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: it was like he wasn't saying like things like like
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: hold like we see on most after the final roses,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: where maybe the bachelor and his runner up are crying
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: or holding hands or they're expressing.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: There's more some sort of feeling and passion.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: They're expressing like it that this was a very difficult
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: decision for them to make and that they wish them
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: all the best, Like there wasn't any of that. And
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: there was one moment that I wrote down that was
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: really awkward. Uh. She says she told mel she was
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: willing to move for him and start a life, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: he says he cuts her off in that moment, and
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: he says that doesn't interest me though, and Cindy looks
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: kind of stunned, and then the audience does a weird
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: collap and it was like, what, like, why did that?
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Why did they keep that moment in? I was like,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: this was so strange. It makes neither it was it
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: was I just wrote uncomfortable.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, and then she.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Just says she wants him to be happy. And then
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: she says her heart is wide open for love, you know.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: And that's why I think, mark my words, by New
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Year's Eve, Cindy will have a man, because she is
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: what this social experiment, this show is all about. It
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: is about being open to falling in love. It is
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: about taking weird leaps of faith that he clearly said
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: over and over again he is not interested.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: He hated leaps of faith.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: We get it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Man, we get it. This guy is like the anti romantic.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Anti and he's very compartmentalized.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: They kept talking about how analytical he was.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the thing is is that he's been that
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: way his whole life. He didn't get to be the
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor and then became this way. He's been this
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: way his entire life, and so everybody is different. I
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: feel like I have to stand up for the casting
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: team for this for a second.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, you guys just letting everybody know that Heather is
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: in casting like that's her specialty.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: And I just have to say, I don't know anybody
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: specifically that worked on this season of The Golden Bachelor,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: but in my opinion, as somebody who has done many
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: of these shows, I'm going to go out on a
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: limb and say that Mel was not found by a
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: member of the casting team. A couple of reasons why
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: he doesn't seem like anybody who would ever respond to
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: a message or ever obviously respond to a open casting call.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: That's one thing I aloud believe that he is. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: this is why I also think he's so bad as
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: a lead, because a casting person would have kind of
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: sussed some of this stuff out early on. And so
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: my gut feeling is that he came from exec at ABC,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: exec at Hulu Connections. And I've worked on shows where
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: this has happened, where somebody up top up a suit,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: somebody who doesn't you know, work with the talent on
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: a day to day basis, says I know somebody who'd
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: be great for this. They're super hot, whether it's a
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: personal friend or a friend of a friend, and that
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: person then gets put into the mix and you have
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: to as a member of the casting team kind of
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: guide that along. Now I'm not saying that that's how
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: they get selected, because not to get too into the weeds,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: but there's like a million things that leads have to
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: go through to get selected. It is not up to
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: one person. There's a lot of people that make and
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: sign off on that decision. But to me, that is
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: a To me, this is where I see issues sometimes
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: with shows where people that don't know talent and don't
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: work with talent can sometimes put a lot of emphasis
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: and ideas of what somebody can be versus what they are,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: And like, as people in the casting world, we kind
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: of can suss that stuff out just because we do
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: it on a day to day basis, whereas a suit
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: executive who maybe knows this cool guy that used to
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: be in football doesn't know that. And I really think
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: that the network did him a disservice in a lot
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: of ways. I'm not condoning any of those comments he
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: made on the podcast, but I'm going to say that
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: there are a million in one ways they could have
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: gotten in front of that prior to filming to course correct,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: and they opted not to do that and to wait
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: until Limo entrance night to try and do that. And
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I really think that that also just started things off
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: on the wrong foot because I think it gave Mel
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: too much time to be in his head about what
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: he was saying and what he was not allowed to say.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: That's so true, and I think that.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: That stayed for the whole process.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: The interview, which is probably like the only like long term,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: like long form speech he had before being the Bachelor,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: was received so poorly that he just shut down any
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: any sort of thoughts. So like, that's probably why he
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: would That was probably an element to why he was
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: so boring because he was scared to talk. Because when
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: he did talk, that was the reaction you got.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent, and Ashley, you might be able to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: speak to this more as somebody who's actually been on
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: the other side, because I can't speak to what kind
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: of media training contestants have to go through, but I
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: do know that the leads have to go through something.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: But you know, I just really think that clearly Mel
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: hadn't gone through any sort of media training prior to
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: that podcast. And I don't know if they then grilled him,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: went down on him, whatever they did, but I really
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: think that they were like, you do not speak until
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: till cameras are up rolling, and we are going to
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: help you to kind of say this. They could have,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: like I said, a million in one ways, they could
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: have course corrected prior to filming, and they opted not
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: to do that, and I think that it started him
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: off on a bad foot as well.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: That's good, and we do give him credit in saying
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: that because maybe he would have been better than we
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: than he was. I mean, it's pretty impossible to I
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: want to.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Hope that they saw something because for how to pull
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: back the curtain a little bit, the leads have to
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: meet with executives and the network a lot before a
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: lot and so we're talking multiple meetings. We're talking about
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: background checks, psycho evaluations, medical testing, going to upfronts or
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: you know, Hulu events or like, there's a lot of
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: like mixing and mingling and talking that the leads have
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: to do to in a sense, prove themselves that they
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: are right for this kind of a role and to
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: take this on. And so I want to believe that
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: the people in the room really did see something in
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: him and that's why they gave him this opportunity. I
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: don't want to think he was just this way in
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the room and people were like, yeah, yeah, this guy,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: because I just don't. I just I want to give
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: the Hulu execs and the ABC execs a little bit
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: more credit than that they that they wouldn't.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I agree, Blacks. I agree. It was weird that you
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: say this because I did post something on Instant Story
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: before getting on the podcast. I said, you know, this
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: man was not born to be the Bachelor, and I
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: initially had wrote something more a little harsher, and I
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: had said he was like the worst casting choice, and
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I erased that because I was like, this just doesn't
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: feel right to blame casting on. They have never fed
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: up like this before. The lead has been a weird
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: There's been weird choices for lead before for sure, for sure,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: but those people, for the most part who have been
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: cast as weird leads, they were still good cast members
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: when they were on the main show. Like you would
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: understand why all of the people that became leads, even
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: while questionable, you'd understand why they would be cast for
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the other show where they are part of, like the
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Seid ensemble.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we can see there's been a changing of
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: the guard, right. So proof to what I'm saying is
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: just look at the fact that Taylor Frankie Paul is
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: the Bachelorette for the next season. That did not come
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: from the casting department. That is inner Hulu, ABC executives
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: making a deal. So we have executives or somebody is
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: in place now that is taking a stronger hold on
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: the casting of the lead. And this is not what
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: past seasons have been like. And so that's why I
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: want to say that mel probably came from an internal
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: connection and was not found organically for this experience.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Totally great point, Heather Things, thanks for being here to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: have that insight. Appreciate so much. Let's talk about the
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: proposal non proposal which was again a very weird moment.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: It was like are we giving promise rings as sixty
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: year olds?
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: And I say, is this that's what it? Worst finale
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: in history where Neil Lane wasn't at the location to
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: come out.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: No, it's not the last season. I believe that with Grant,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Neil Lane didn't come out. Oh no it was or
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: it was Paradise. He didn't come out Paradise.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: He did not come out.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I do know that. My thought was that I guess
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: that Neil really wanted or the Bachelor has some sort
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: of relationship with Neil in which like he really had
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: to give a ring.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, we saw him in the audience at the
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: after the final Rose. They did a little pan.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: To him because that was really awkward. Yeah, gave a
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: ring to a woman and said, this is a commitment
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: to this is a commitment to see how things go.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: This is a commitment to date.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, and then.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: He goes just the fact that he was handing a
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: woman a ring without getting down on one knee. It
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: was so bizarre. And then even in the after the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: final Rose portion, Jesse was like, any thoughts about getting engaged?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: And then what did they say? They were like, you know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: maybe down the road.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, First of all, he's gonna hate me that.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I actually don't remember this verbatim. But didn't Bob Guinea
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: not propose on his season and also gave like a
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: promise ring.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Oh did hear? You'll have to ask.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be so mad if he listens to this.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: And it's like, Heather, how do you not know this?
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: We've talked about it, but I'm pretty sure that he
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: was one of the first bachelors to not propose.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that's big of a thing back then. And again,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: like I don't even have an issue with them not proposing.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I really don't, because like I just yeah, I'd rather
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: see like a healthy relationship than having to see a
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: force proposal. But it was like the weird in between
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: where it was like, I'm going to give you a ring,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: but this is not a proposal. That's what was strange.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Oh what if it's contractually that anneal Lane ring has
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: to be given?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean. That must have been what happened.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Why can't it be something else? Kneel Lane? Why couldn't
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: he give her a necklace?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Necklace? Yes, that would have been nice. That's so like
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Neil has gorgeous necklaces. I would I've gone into his
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: studio in you know, Beverly Hills, or it's like we's
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Hollywood have docid it's so beautiful the necklaces. Will you're
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: looking at more than anything else.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Seriously, they that's what they should have done. It should
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: have been like, I want to commit to you to
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: see where this goes, and then pop some sham pain drink.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: We're excited. Have that be the moment where they say
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I love you to each other for the first time.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Why did we hear that at the after the final
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: rowse but we didn't hear it. Then in the.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Moment they were there, were both saying that they weren't
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: there yet. Peg had also said the day before that
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: she wasn't there.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, we're putting a square peg in a
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: round hole then.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: With me too, like a square peg and a mel hole.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Like they just they really wanted to force these two
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: into the format instead of changing and reimagining what this
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: could be. And I hate to say this, guys. I
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: love this show, I love this franchise, but this is
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: a part of why the numbers have dipped off and
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: other shows have started to go to the adapt It
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: is because they adapt and they change and they do
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: things differently, and this show has like really just like
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: dug its heels in and no, this is what we do.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: And it's like.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, stop. Yeah. That being said, like Cindy wanted to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: get married, like she wanted the proposal, and I think
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: that's totally fine too.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Debbie too. Debbie would have in a heartbeat, would have
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: married Mel.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I know him.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm reading for Debbie if we get another.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, I agree. I like the DeBie thing because
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: she's never been married before. Yeah, okay, low. Let's also
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: talk about that awkward moment where Peg says Mel doesn't
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: have integrity. He is integrity now when the audience was silent,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I mean there was like five claps.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Weird, it was.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Proof were like all just we were like all right, girl,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: if you say so. Not that he like ever showed
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that he wasn't like an honest guy. It was like
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: just that he was showing that he's like a clothes
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: off guy. So I think that as an audience, we're
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: just like I don't know if we can trust you
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: because we don't really know you, it was so funny
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: to keep that in there. It was all just like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I have no problem keep it in there. It's real.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I like the fact that the audience was without words
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: saying how they felt.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I want to just talk to anybody that has ever
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: been on reality TV and been like, you don't know
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: the real me. I got a bad edit. Blah blah blah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I got a bad edit. Okay, we have a lead
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: and they couldn't even edit him to look amazing. Okay,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: So I just want everybody to know that, like it
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: is what it is like. If you're a villain on
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: reality TV. I'm nine out of ten times gonna say
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: you are a villain in real life. There is only
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: so much editing can do, and this is proof that
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: editing can only go so far. We cannot make something
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: that is not there, and they didn't. Towards the end,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: I agree with Ben. They were not even trying to
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: make him look cool, like they were just like letting
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: him look like a whimp and like letting him you know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: And I want to, you know, also not say that
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: these producers can't do their job. I one hundred percent
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: know that field producing is not easy, but you cannot
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: get somebody to say things and do things that they
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: do not want to do, especially past a certain age.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I have cast shows of people sixty plus and people
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: are I don't want to say smarter, but they are
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: less flexible than a person in their twenties who comes
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: on the show and is more wanting to appease producers
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: and get through whatever they need or get more screen time.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: He wasn't like that, and he again, I just go
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: back to the fact that he was roasted so bad
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: over those comments. He was like just acutely aware of, like,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: my words can be flipped and switched at any given moment,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: and I am going to give them the least amount
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: of opportunity to do that to me. He probably had
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: no faith too in producers that the lead was going
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: to be protected after that, because that is normally I
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: would tell people all the time, you're a lead, they're
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: going to make you look amazing, like you have nothing
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: to worry about.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And I think he was wrong in that assumption. Yeah,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I think they were really trying their best. They stuck
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: with him, and I don't think I think that sometimes
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: they're down for a slappy bachelor, but I think that
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: they definitely did not want a sloppy Golden Bachelor. I agree,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: especially since you know Gary was such a good, successful
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor and then things got so sloppy that I
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: was just like, I don't think that they were trying
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: to keep going with that. Producers were so frustrated at
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Mel when he had Cindy leave. When Cindy walked away,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: and then they're like, let's get in Jesse. It was
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: hilarious to just see the producers like, just as from
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: my experience, like they were so freaking annoyed at this
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: man for being so closed off. They're like, we're gonna
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: pull Jesse into this moment, see what he can do,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: and he could barely do anything too, And it was
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: just funny to watch the frustration of them being like,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I can't believe how we have we have this is
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: this is the lead of our show. He can't discuss
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: anything he's feeling.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: You're so true, because right like Jesse leads the horse
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: to water in a sense, right, he goes, she's still here,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: do you want to go talk to her? And he no?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The way that he says no was like it
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: was so dicky. It was that was another moment, whereas like,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: this guy's a dick. I didn't want him to be like,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: please stay, please stay, because I didn't even want her
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: to like ever feel weak. I never wanted her to
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: be weak towards him and be like, Okay, fine, I'll
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: stay for like one more couple hours. And she did
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: say that she wouldn't have done that, which is great
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and I'm really really happy about that. But I just
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: was like, ew ew, go let her be alone.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: I could have seen him going to her room, and
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: he had earlier this season, he had eliminated Jerry, who
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: he gave the first impression Rose too, and when he
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: walked her out, he got choked up, like he really liked.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: That was the first, maybe one of the only times
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: we saw like an emotional reaction from him in a goodbye.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I could have seen him talking to Jesse and then
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: saying I don't like how we just said goodbye right now,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: and him going back to her room and saying, I
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: just want you to know how special you are. I
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: just want you to know how much you meant to
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: me in this moment, this moment, this moment, and having
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: some sort of reaction and now I agree with you
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: that it was probably an ego bruise, but I also
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: wonder if he was starting to feel semi emotional and
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: was like, huh uh, they're not going to get that
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: from me on cable, like I'm not going to go
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: and like because he again, I really think he feels
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: badly about eliminating And I don't want to speak from
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: personal experience of men that are avoidant and do this,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: but pushing away so that the woman makes the choice.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like he would have loved to have
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: ghosted her, could have, I believe, so I believe that
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: is what he would do.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: But that's that's the vibes I got from that whole situation.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I was like, he is not giving it to her
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: because he actually wants her to walk away. He doesn't
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: want to be the one to break up with her.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: He knows it's not her. This situation is eating him
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: up inside, and so I think he probably didn't expect
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: her to be so forthright in her exit of like,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: I know somebody's out there for me if it's not you,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: like you know what I mean.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Like, at the same time, don't you feel like maybe
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: it was one of those situations where it's like, oh,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: you broke up with me. I'm supposed to break up
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: with you. I agree, and I don't think he liked that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: I agree, because that is the uh, that is the
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: athletic mentality a game. He approached this game mind mentality.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: As she said, what I don't we are not playing
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: in the same stadium or something.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Agreed. I agree.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: He she's cool.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, Cindy made the right call. She didn't feel
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: it in her gut. She trusted her gut and she
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: walked away. Which is why, Cindy, you will be engaged
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: by New Year's Eve.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Now we've uped it to engagement.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I believe you will be engaged by New Year's Eve
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: to somebody very hot. That's all I'm gonna say. Like,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: She's like, it's gonna be somebody super hot, and I
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: think Debbie. I think Debbie's got an inner two to
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: find somebody. I think all the gals from this season
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: were so cool. And I totally see Peg. I'm from
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Orange County where Mel lives, and I could see it's
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: so weird when I saw them together. I was like,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Peg is so Orange County. Like I know she lives
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: in Vegas, but I could totally see her living in
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Orange County.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that too. All right, let's talk
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: about Taylor Frank you Paul's chat with Jesse. This moment
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: happens after she wrapped a rose ceremony. She said that
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: she's already had she already has a couple of crushes.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: She says that her cast is really good and from
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: the teasers that we've seen, we agree that her cast
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: has like seven guys that are so her type. That's
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: really exciting for her and us. And then she alludes
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: to one guy who terrified her.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: No, she says he that she terrified.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Him, Oh, in a good way or bad way. She
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: was like.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: After she made like these, it sounds like she's eliminating
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: guys before Rose ceremonies. Like she's like yeah, and a
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: guy said to her like you terrify that terrifies me,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: or you terrify me, and she's like good, Like she
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: likes this kind of upper hand mentality.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: I know you're new to the secret lives of Mormon wives.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Did you get or understand the dirty soda reference.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Up top with jes So? I thought, I was like,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: is that just another Oh? Because they love soda, that's right.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: They like drink soda, like it's drinks.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: And then so she had a she had a spiked soda. No,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: So that's the thing.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: So dirty soda doesn't mean alcohol and soda. It's then.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: That's what I want to I thought he was making
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: a funny about like the fact that it was, you know, like,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: what did we dirty? Surely?
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, not that. So in the Utah Mormon culture,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: they're really into their soda drinks and this will definitely
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: be a part of the show and as you watch
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Secret Lives more, you'll see them do this. But it's
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: like mixing like coconut milk and flavors and like all
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: this stuff into sodas and like making like a concoction
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: and it's called like a dirty soda. So the fact
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: that Jesse was like, I got a dirty soda for you,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, we're really like leaning into this
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: right now. So that's what that was. We know that
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: she has a Dancing with the Stars group date on
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: her season. We're really making all that sin.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Very big good. We like that. I like this energy.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's fun.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: And we also know that her mom talk Gal some
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: of them are supporting her because they do come out
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and visit her during filming, so we will get to
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: see that. Of course, you know, she mentions her favorite
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: things crocs, you know, so we're going to see her
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: wearing crocs on the show. And you know, they made
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: a joke about like Mel's bloopers, about Mel eating the
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: food on dates and that is usually not typical, and
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Taylor leaned into that as well in this chat with Jesse, saying,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: you know, like, can we eat the food? Can we
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: warm the food?
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: The food? People eat the food. I'm always been a
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: proponent of that, and that was probably my favorite segment
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: of Mels, the fact that she was so into food.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Well, you know why they don't let you guys eat
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: the food.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I know it doesn't look attractive. I get it, but
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: guess what.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Written that, it's more and more it's it makes it
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: seem way more real. It does make it seem more real.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: But the real reason they don't let you guys eat
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: the food on the dates is because it ruins continuity.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: So if you say something amazing at the end of
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: the sea, sorry to pull, I.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Have been telling the fandom that they just tell us
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: it doesn't look cute. No, that's not for the past
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: ten years. This makes so much sense.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you say something amazing at the end
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: of the date that they actually want to put up
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: earlier in the date, but you're say, drinking wine or
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: eating food, and we see the glass bounce from fuld
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: to empty.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: The steak is whole in one spot and then it's
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: then it's like down to a bite and then it's
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: back to being whole. Oh my goodness.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: That's why you can't do it now if you pay
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: attention there there are a lot of networks out there.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: I won't say which that don't care about continuity, and
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: you will see food and drinks bounce from da da
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: da da da to size difference throughout a conversation. But
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: clearly ABC and Hulu are very acute to that, and
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: that's why they don't let you guys do it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I used to just go in and dig i ate
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: on all my dates. I love that I didn't have
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: that many more good Yeah, I was like it, loved
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the it tasted, the way it looked, it was good.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: It tacos once and then I had steak on another
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: and then oh there was one other. I think it
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: was chicken. I don't know. But I ate on all
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: of them. That's so funny. Nobody ever stopped me. That's
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: why I was pretty convinced that it was just for looks.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: But they're probably like, oh nobody else does this, We'll
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: let actually do it just because, like, you know what's
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: working around the plates for one date.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: I love that you were went against the grain. It
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: sounds like Jesse ate a lot on camera too during
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: his time.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: So, uh, yeah, that's so funny.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: I wrote in the notes, I wrote, these blue aren't
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: that funny.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: They're not that funny. I mean I haven't found their
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: bluebirds to be funny for quite some time. They used
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: to be epic, they used to be hilarious, and now
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: they're like two bug oriented. I'm like, guys like swatting
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: away bugs not that funny.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: I can still remember a blooper from Caitlyn's season of
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: her being attacked by a bird.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Well, Katelyn was petrified at bird, so that was funny.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, she has tattoos on her arms because she's
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: so scared of birds and she wants to like try
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: to conquer the fear. So that was great.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: That was a funny one. But yeah, no, it's like
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: even if bloopers can't make this guy funny, which I
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: was saying, I think ask recaps. I said, maybe they
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: should have been earing bloopers and throughout this season so
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: we could have seen something.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: No, the bluebirl. No, that's what like freaked me out.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, if this is supposed to be fund
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: him eating food, it's supposed to be funny, Like, oh, no,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Like I like it because I like the eating the food,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: but like, if this is him funny, it's like, wow, wow,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: poor guy. Again, as we've said a number of times
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: throughout the season, I don't know what Mel is like
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: in real life. I'm truly just speaking as a audience
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: member watching him as a lead of a show, and
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: he might be wonderful and I may love sitting down
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: having a drink with him, but I did not like
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: watching him as a lead. He was not meant for TV.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: I fully agree. We are not talking about Mel as
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: a person. We are talking about Mel as a lead.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Not everybody is meant to be a lead. This is
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: why this part of the casting process is honestly the
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: most difficult. You can find a ton of people that
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: are great to be you know, background first one kicked
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: off somebody that you think is going to go far.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: But casting a lead takes a lot, a lot of time,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: and I think that you know, it sucks. I really
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: do want to believe, like you that there will be
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: more seasons of the Goldens, But I really feel like
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: this is a womp womp, and we are not going
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: to see it. If we do for for a while,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: they're not going to put an allocate funds to something
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: that's not bringing in the numbers. And we all know
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: that this did not bring in the numbers, not at all. Wait,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: can we talk about before we go? Can we talk
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: about the audience the people that were in the audience
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: for AFR. Did you did you see that Gary and Teresa?
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, the audience you know, Oh my gosh.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: We knew that Teresa was going Ben knew somehow. And
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: then Heather and I discussed earlier in the week how
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: we didn't even think Gary was going to show his
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: face because of you know, the chopper up and put
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: her in the shed comment. But then he was there.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: They even threw to him in the audience. I was like,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I do. That's a weird You
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: notice that.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: The first time that they that they introed him when
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: they were saying everybody, they were like, Jesse was like hey,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: so and so Hey, he was like hey, Joan and Chock,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: how's it going, and like they chatted and then he's
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: like hey Gary, and then he goes and hey jessin
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Spencer like he did not talk to Gary the first
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: time that they pointed out, and I was like, oh, interesting,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: But then at the end they did toss to him
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: and I was like, still interesting because Gary said when
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: he was on with you and Ben, he never met Mel.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: He never talked to Mel before this experience. So yeah,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I agree that was a little bit weird that he
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: was in the audience. I thought it was weird that
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: so Teresa and Leslie were there, Joan was there, but
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: that was it from Gary season. All the rest of
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: the women in the audience were for Mel season. So
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: it's interesting that they didn't invite any of like Susan
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: and Cathy or like some of our other favorite Goldens
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: were in the audience.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Why would they have Teresa be there if they weren't
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: going to throw to her.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, so if you haven't listened, we did an episode
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: with Joe and Rachel Rekya that yeah, and they were
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: both in the audience, and they said that during the
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: commercial breaks, right, you guys get up and talk to
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: each other and stuff like that. They said, zero communication
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: between Gary and Teresa. And they were sitting, of course,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: not extremely close to each other.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Why would they put them extremely close to each other
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: if they weren't going to utilize it for our entertainment
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: And I don't get it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: I don't get it. Well, well, I'm not going to
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: say what we have coming up, but we're going to
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: have to get into this more. We're gonna have to
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: dive into this more.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: We have to get Teresa on the podcast. I know
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: that she was almost Charlene, but we need to have
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: like our time with Gary and now our time with Teresa.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: I agree, Okay, if I were Teresa, I would not
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: have gone knowing that Gary was there.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I agree. Unless I'm there to like speak or say something,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I'm probably not gonna want to be.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: In this tame for that.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: As my ex that said weird stuff like that, I know.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, this was fun until next time, guys,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: and we won't have a season to recap in a
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: long time, so give us ideas as to what you
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: guys want us to talk about or who you want
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: us to interview. We appreciate all the feedback. We love
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: you so much. Until next time, I've been Ashley, I've
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: been Heather Bye.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.