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Sharri | 3 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News This.
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Speaker 2: Is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening, Welcome to the show tonight. A political storm
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Speaker 3: erupts over our exclusive report last night that ASIO boss
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Speaker 3: Mike Burgess has finally clarified his comments on whether Hamas
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Speaker 3: supporters are welcome in Australia. James Patterson would join me
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Speaker 3: tonight to discuss Australia's economy on life support as we
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Speaker 3: brace for the worst and your growth since the nineteen
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Speaker 3: nineties recession. But who's to blame? We're leading economist Judith
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Speaker 3: Sloan will give her view, and Joe Biden dares to
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Speaker 3: condemn Israel.
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Speaker 4: For the murder of hostages by hermas.
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Speaker 3: Well, where has he been while an American was executed
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Speaker 3: on holiday?
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Speaker 4: Of course, sundowning at the.
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Speaker 3: Beach will cross live to Israel as the world engages
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Speaker 3: in a shocking case of victim blaming.
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Speaker 4: Well, last night I.
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Speaker 3: Exclusively revealed that a Director General Mike Burgess, had clarified
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Speaker 3: his position on the guards and visa issue. Now to
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Speaker 3: our major exclusive, AZIO Director General Mike Burgess has told
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Speaker 3: a private gathering that anyone who supports Hamas or the
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Speaker 3: October seven terror attacks would pose a security threat. These
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Speaker 3: comments clarify his view on the guards of visa issue.
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Speaker 3: So he made it very clear that Hamas supporters wouldn't
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Speaker 3: be welcome in Australia and would be considered a security threat.
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Speaker 4: The story kicked off today in a major way.
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Speaker 5: Schari Markson revealed last night something that hadn't been revealed previously,
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Speaker 5: and that's the ASIO Director General, or as the Prime
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Speaker 5: minster would say, Azio. The ASIO Director General, Mike Burgess,
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Speaker 5: has told a private gathering that anyone who supports Hamas
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Speaker 5: or the October seven terror attack would pose a national
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Speaker 5: security threat in comments that clarify his views on the
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Speaker 5: Gaza visa issue.
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Speaker 1: Well, I welcome the clarification from the Director General of
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Speaker 1: Mike Burgess is a very good man and he works
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Speaker 1: day and night to keep our country safe and the
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Speaker 1: work of AZIO is to be respected by all Australians.
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Speaker 1: But the problem is that they've got a government who
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Speaker 1: has brought in thirteen hundred people from Gaza without the
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Speaker 1: requisite security checks. It's reckless, it puts our national security
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Speaker 1: at risk. I think, frankly the Prime Minister should be
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Speaker 1: apologizing to the ASIO boss for what they've put in
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Speaker 1: place which has made asio's job much harder.
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Speaker 6: The only person who's been critical of the AZIO Director
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Speaker 6: General is Peter Dutton. What we've done is support our
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Speaker 6: security agencies. I haven't undermined his authority. I've supported him
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Speaker 6: and will continue to do so so.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister refusing to apologize despite the fact that
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Speaker 3: he did blatantly repeatedly misrepresent the ASIO Director General's physician
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Speaker 3: in Parliament. Well, now that Mike Burgess has made it
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Speaker 3: clear that AMAS supporters do pose a security threat, this
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Speaker 3: puts the pressure back on the Prime Minister over whether
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Speaker 3: he too will reject terrorst supporters from being given an
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Speaker 3: Australian visa. After my report last night, the ABC Today
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Speaker 3: published comments where Burgess said his original remarks on the
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Speaker 3: Insiders program had been distorted. He said, and I quote,
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Speaker 3: I've watched with interest over the last couple of weeks
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Speaker 3: how people have chosen.
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Speaker 4: To distort what I said.
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Speaker 3: I said that if you support a Palestinian homeland, that
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Speaker 3: may not discount you from entering Australia, because that by
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Speaker 3: itself is not a problem. But I also said that
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Speaker 3: if you have a violent extremist ideology, or you provide
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Speaker 3: material or financial support to a terror organization that will
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Speaker 3: be a problem. Now, I'm going to break this down
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Speaker 3: and speak with Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson in
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Speaker 3: a moment. Now, economic data out tomorrow is expected to
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Speaker 3: show our.
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Speaker 4: Economy is dead in the water.
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Speaker 3: The predictions are that our economy is growing at as
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Speaker 3: little as zero point two percent for the June quarter.
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Speaker 3: This would put on your GDP growth at just zero
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Speaker 3: point nine percent for the year. And this if it
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Speaker 3: turns out to be those figures, this would be the
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Speaker 3: slowest pace since the nineteen nineties recession, the weakest economy
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Speaker 3: in more than twenty years, and this is a major
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Speaker 3: concern for jobs, the mortgage, the rent and grocery bills.
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Speaker 3: It's why the Treasurer has accused the RBA of smashing
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Speaker 3: the economy with its thirteen rate hikes. His comments an
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Speaker 3: extraordinary intervention and show just how concerned he is about.
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Speaker 4: The data out tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: In a highly political move, Chalmers is now crafting a
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Speaker 3: narrative where the Central b think is partly responsible for
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Speaker 3: the weak economy, or, as he puts it, for hammering
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Speaker 3: Aussie families. The Treasurer today hit home the point that
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Speaker 3: interest rates are softening our economy in a breakfast television blitz.
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Speaker 7: I think it's self evident that the interest rates registrate
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Speaker 7: rises which are in the system are slowing our economy.
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Speaker 7: I think it would be strange, really if the treasure
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Speaker 7: of Australia couldn't say to the Australian people, you know,
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Speaker 7: our economy is slowing, and here are some of the
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Speaker 7: reasons why it's slowing, including higher interest rates. But really
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Speaker 7: what we've got here is a combination of global economic
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Speaker 7: uncertainty combining with higher interest rates and persistent price pressures.
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Speaker 3: Well, Charmer's strong comments accusing the IBA of smashing the
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Speaker 3: economy show the stakes are high. Labor and Matt Fistlethwaite
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Speaker 3: backed him in yesterday.
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Speaker 8: We don't want to see the Reserve Bank go too far.
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Speaker 9: We want to make sure that we do continue to
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Speaker 9: grow an economy.
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Speaker 3: And those comments there, well, that's a repeat of the
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Speaker 3: fight that Labor backbenchers ran against former RBA Governor Phil Lowe,
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Speaker 3: turning him into a villain for raising rates repeatedly. At
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Speaker 3: the time, while the Treasurer announced major reform of the
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Speaker 3: Central Bank, he didn't utter a critical word, so his
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Speaker 3: intervention now, even though it's subtle is surprising, but Charmers
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Speaker 3: batted away questions of a.
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Speaker 4: Rift with the RBA today. Are you all good with
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Speaker 4: the RBA? What's going on here?
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Speaker 10: Treasurer Jim Chalmers is being forced to fend off accusations
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Speaker 10: of a rift between the government and the Reserve Bank.
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Speaker 11: Looks so you've been picking fights with everyone.
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Speaker 6: The headline screaming Treasurer tries to pass the buck, Treasurer
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Speaker 6: plays the blame game.
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Speaker 4: Treasurer makes RBA threats.
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Speaker 3: Charmer said he wasn't a war with Michelle Bullock, and
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Speaker 3: it is true there's no genuine rift, but politically it
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Speaker 3: suits the alb and Eazy government to give the pression
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Speaker 3: that the RBA is to blame for household pain. The
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Speaker 3: coalition has attack Charmers, accusing him of failing to take responsibility.
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Speaker 2: And not surprisingly alst other countries like Canada and the UK,
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Speaker 2: Europe are seeing interest rates coming down. Not in Australia.
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Speaker 2: He has unveiled and now he's just lashing out at everybody.
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Speaker 8: Then he blamed Philip Loow, and now he's blaming his
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Speaker 8: hand picked replacement for Philip Blow, Michelle Bullock, for high inflation.
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Speaker 8: At some point he's got to turn the mirror onto
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Speaker 8: himself and say, what is it that the government can
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Speaker 8: be doing well?
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Speaker 3: While labor and peas are putting pressure on the RBA
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Speaker 3: not to raise rates again. There are some economists to
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Speaker 3: a warning that we may still need more rate rises.
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Speaker 3: It's something Warren Hogan said on this show last night,
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Speaker 3: and the Finn reports that the Reserve banks recently departed
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Speaker 3: research chief says the decision not to raise interest rates
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Speaker 3: risks entrenching high inflation and hasn't been added quickly scrutinized
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Speaker 3: by the Central Banks Board. An economy teetering on the edge,
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Speaker 3: inflation still above target range, and this means that prices
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Speaker 3: are still rising well. The Nightly editor Chris Dahl says
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Speaker 3: that while our economy is on life support right now,
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister can't stop talking about his wedding and
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Speaker 3: his love life. Chris Dahl writes, we've heard more from
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Speaker 3: the PM's office this past week about whether his second
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Speaker 3: wedding is on last weekend's papers or off this weekend's papers.
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Speaker 3: And it's true all the Prime Minister can think about
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Speaker 3: is when he's having his wedding, and he was talking
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Speaker 3: about it again on radio in Perth.
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Speaker 4: No election date from you today?
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Speaker 3: What about a wedding date you enjoy any closer?
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Speaker 6: That will be sometime in the likely be the second
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Speaker 6: half of next year, but it will be after the
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Speaker 6: election because I want to focus on the job at hand,
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Speaker 6: and we looked at the diary and there are no
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Speaker 6: gaps between now and the end of the year.
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Speaker 3: Please, no one cares when you're getting married for the
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Speaker 3: second time. No one cares where your wedding will be.
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Speaker 3: People care when their grocery and power bills are going
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Speaker 3: to stop rising. And christau Over in the Nightly says
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Speaker 3: that when Albanezy isn't speaking about his wedding, he's talking
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Speaker 3: about Peter Dutton, attacking him for division, for questioning the
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Speaker 3: guys of visa process.
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Speaker 4: So for his nuclear plan.
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Speaker 3: None of this, his wedding or attacking Dutton is going
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Speaker 3: to fix the cost of living crisis. And right now,
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Speaker 3: if it weren't for high immigration numbers, it's very possible
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Speaker 3: that Australia could well be in a recession. Okay, we'll
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Speaker 3: get to our top story on Mike Burgess clarifying his
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Speaker 3: position on the guys of is the issue that made
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Speaker 3: news today James Patterson will join me in a moment,
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Speaker 3: but first nowt to our regular Tuesday panel Farmer Speaker
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Speaker 3: of the House Barnon Bishop and Sky News host Tayler Bond.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 3: Bronwan, how worried are you about the state of the
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Speaker 3: economy ahead of their national accounts figures that are due
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Speaker 3: out tomorrow?
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Speaker 4: Very worried.
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Speaker 12: Look, I listen to the words of the treasurer. He
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Speaker 12: tells you in one breath, everything's wonderful, a fantastic treasure
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Speaker 12: doing a wonderful thing. And then he beats up on
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Speaker 12: the Reserve Bank and says it's all your fault that
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Speaker 12: the interest rates are so high. And then he comes
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Speaker 12: around and says, well, don't look too much at what's
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Speaker 12: happening tomorrow. It's a man who refuses to take responsibility
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Speaker 12: for anything at all. And I am worried about those
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Speaker 12: figures tomorrow. And I'm worried when I go into shops
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Speaker 12: and I have a discussion with the people who work
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Speaker 12: there and they tell me about the fact that they're
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Speaker 12: worried about losing their jobs, about people who own small
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Speaker 12: businesses about having to close down. We are not in
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Speaker 12: good shape it's true.
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Speaker 3: Look, Caleb, in a way, the treasure is saying the
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Speaker 3: obvious that interest rates do weaken the economy, but he's
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Speaker 3: also trying to shift the narrative politically, isn't he.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, what he is leaving out of that discussion
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Speaker 13: is that the reason that interest rates have continued to
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Speaker 13: go up for so long is because the government hasn't
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Speaker 13: pulled its own leavers. The RBA, as we've said many
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Speaker 13: times before, has only one lever to pull to reduce inflation,
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Speaker 13: and that is to increase interest rates. And of course,
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Speaker 13: interest rates not only affect the household mortgage holder, but
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Speaker 13: they affect businesses that rely heavily on loans in order
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Speaker 13: to keep operating and to set up new businesses, especially
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Speaker 13: small business. That's a major part of why the economy
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Speaker 13: flat lines. So that the Treasurer doesn't want to accept
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Speaker 13: that it is his own spending that has caused these
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Speaker 13: interest rate rises in part, and that therefore means that
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Speaker 13: the economy has shrunk or is certainly not moving at
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Speaker 13: a rate that we would like a faster rate than
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Speaker 13: it is now. Well, and as you pointed out right
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Speaker 13: at the very end of your editorial, there if it
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Speaker 13: were not for migration numbers, and this is why the
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Speaker 13: Albanezi government has imported people so fast and so much.
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Speaker 13: If it weren't for those numbers, we would be in
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Speaker 13: recession and we'd be talking about a very different election
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Speaker 13: next year.
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Speaker 3: Well, Environment Minister Tanya Plebisk has changed the reason that
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Speaker 3: she kured off the billion dollar mine project in New
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Speaker 3: South Wales.
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Speaker 4: Have a listen.
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Speaker 10: I took advice and information from them, from academics, from
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Speaker 10: a whole range of other people. The Council was invited
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Speaker 10: to make a submission on the Section ten applications, two
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Speaker 10: and a half thousand pages of advice and evidence from
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Speaker 10: different people, including I should say Barnaby, a lot of
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Speaker 10: local farmers who don't want this tailings dam built at
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Speaker 10: the headquarters of the river because they are worrying about
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Speaker 10: their sheep and go and honey businesses down the river.
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Speaker 10: They're worried about the factor as well.
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Speaker 4: And that was her comments on Sunrise yesterday.
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Speaker 13: Bro.
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Speaker 3: When you know, initially she was saying indigenous heritage concerns.
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Speaker 3: Now she's saying she got advice from academics and other people.
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Speaker 3: But she ignores the fact, doesn't she that this had
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Speaker 3: both State.
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Speaker 4: Department and Federal Department approval.
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Speaker 12: She's making it up as she goes along, because this
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Speaker 12: declaration ten is made under the Aboriginal Torres Strait Island
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Speaker 12: a Heritage Protection Act, not the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity
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Speaker 12: Conservation Act, which Alberici seemed to get confused about I
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Speaker 12: think I heard yesterday. So the point is this, there
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Speaker 12: is a way out of this. Alberesi is trying to
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Speaker 12: wash his hands and say, I'd like the mind to
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Speaker 12: go ahead.
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Speaker 4: But it's not my fault. It's her fault.
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Speaker 12: Well, it is his fault because there is a motion
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Speaker 12: of disallowance in the Senate right now on the notice paper,
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Speaker 12: and the declaration she made is a disallowable instrument. And
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Speaker 12: if that disallowance motion sits on the ballot paper for
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Speaker 12: fifteen sitting days and is not resolved nor withdrawn, then
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Speaker 12: the declaration automatically is disallowed. So Alberzi has the power
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Speaker 12: to tell the Senate, the Labor party in the Senate,
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Speaker 12: do not call this in, do not defeat this motion.
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Speaker 4: And it will go away. It will stop.
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Speaker 12: It will be disallowed immediately, and she cannot remake it
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Speaker 12: for six months. And it's an important point, because this
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Speaker 12: is Albanese's decision to make. She's made the declaration. He
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Speaker 12: has the decision about the way it can be got
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Speaker 12: rid of.
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Speaker 3: And that the reason this is such a big story,
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Speaker 3: you know, as we've said several times now, is because
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Speaker 3: of the message it sense to potential investors in Australia
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Speaker 3: and the fact that the Prime Minister can't take control
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Speaker 3: over this. He doesn't want to upset one of his ministers.
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Speaker 3: He just lets them do whatever they want.
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Speaker 13: Kail, Well, we've just been talking about a flatlining economy.
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Speaker 13: About the only part of the economy that has been
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Speaker 13: booming and has delivered significant revenue to the government, it
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Speaker 13: should be noted, is mining. You'd have to have rocks
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Speaker 13: in your head right now to be trying to demonize
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Speaker 13: or stop mining in this country. But of course plibasek
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Speaker 13: As is evidenced by the fact that she keeps flip
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Speaker 13: flopping about the reason she made this decision. It wasn't
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Speaker 13: made in the interests of the locals. It wasn't made
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Speaker 13: in the interests of the minds, or the environment or
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Speaker 13: indigenous people. It was made in the interests of people
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Speaker 13: in Sydney, who she hopes will vote for her at
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Speaker 13: the next federal election. That's what all this has been about.
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Speaker 13: The rest is entirely fabricated. The Prime Minister knows it.
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Speaker 13: That's why he's trying to get away from it. She
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Speaker 13: knows it. That's why she keeps changing her story. Someone
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Speaker 13: has to intervene and say, look, we've got to do
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Speaker 13: what's in the best interests of the country here.
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Speaker 3: Well, that don't seem to care about that, because that
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Speaker 3: is the same strategy that they're using in other policy areas.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's shaped their foreign policy position, it's shaped
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Speaker 3: the immigration policy.
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Speaker 4: The Gaza vis issue all about local.
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Speaker 3: Votes and holding onto seats, not necessarily about what's in
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Speaker 3: the national interests.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, but he has to be made to wear it.
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Speaker 12: He cannot walk away from that white but that mine.
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Speaker 12: He cannot say to mens, oh yes, I wanted to
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Speaker 12: go ahead too, and pretend it's all somebody else's fault.
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Speaker 12: He has the power to deal with it, all right.
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Speaker 3: The Day They Telegraph reports today that since the Albanezy
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Speaker 3: government has been in office, two hundred and ninety three
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Speaker 3: thousand working days have been wasted on strike action.
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Speaker 4: And it does seem like every other.
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Speaker 3: Day there's another union or another group striking Runwin. This
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Speaker 3: is a massive waste of taxpayer funds, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: Why we're surprised.
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Speaker 12: I mean, this government and the union movement are together
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Speaker 12: locked in and they have under mister Burke, they have
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Speaker 12: given the union movement everything they want. And on the
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Speaker 12: twenty sixth of August the last tranch came into operation.
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Speaker 12: I just wait till it starts to head and the
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Speaker 12: roumifications of it. No wonder there's been more strikes caused
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Speaker 12: by unions, No wonder the demands are getting greater. No
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Speaker 12: wonder there's losses. It will get worse, It won't get better.
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Speaker 12: We've taken the industrial laws back pre Keating, and all
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Speaker 12: that good work that was done under the hard government
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Speaker 12: has just disappeared, and all because mister Burke thinks he
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Speaker 12: can be the leader by getting the union vote when
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Speaker 12: there's the next out, when they want to get rid
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Speaker 12: of Albanisi.
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Speaker 4: But the pointly ambitious Tony Birth no reason.
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Speaker 12: John Cassius as a mean an angry look.
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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, Caleb, the opposition is blaming Labour's new workplace laws.
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Speaker 4: You know Brunwin just referred to that. Do you think
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Speaker 4: that is part of the issue here.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, of course it's part of the issue. I mean,
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Speaker 13: it just seems a message, for instance, removing the ABCC,
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Speaker 13: which of course gave red flag to the c if
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Speaker 13: me you to go back to its bad old days,
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Speaker 13: which of course harks back to the bad old days
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Speaker 13: of the mob that came before it, which was the
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Speaker 13: b Left that was de registered that then spawned the CFMU.
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Speaker 13: And here we are back in the same position again.
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Speaker 13: And we saw that that last week caused strikes because
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Speaker 13: the Labor Party has finally decided to intervene and do
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Speaker 13: something about the CFMU, which they may will not have
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Speaker 13: had to do if they hadn't fiddled with the IR
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Speaker 13: laws in the first place. It all goes back to
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Speaker 13: the IR laws.
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Speaker 3: Look, just before we go quickly, let's turn to the
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Speaker 3: big story that Andrew Clanel here on skybroke earlier today.
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Speaker 3: He confirmed that Labor would partially ban TV gambling advertising
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Speaker 3: within two years and imposer ban on online gambling ads.
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Speaker 4: Rowin, do you agree with this?
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Speaker 12: Now, when we come to the gambling issue, we have
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Speaker 12: to realize they're competing forces. There's still some of the
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Speaker 12: old waalderism that exists in Australia, which has been here
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Speaker 12: for two hundred years, and that still underlines a lot
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Speaker 12: of the anti gambling movement. But there is also the
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Speaker 12: great worry about online gambling what that is doing to
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Speaker 12: inculcate the idea of gambling for younger people in particular.
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Speaker 12: But it is a legal practice and many people enjoy it.
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Speaker 12: There are some people who are dramatically affected by but
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Speaker 12: they're a minority, so there needs to be a balance.
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Speaker 12: I would be against spanning all advertising on television. The
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Speaker 12: online issue, I think is a different issue. I think
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Speaker 12: it's far more dangerous there, but also very difficult to
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Speaker 12: do so. I think we have to realize that there
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Speaker 12: does need to be a consideration that it's not wall
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Speaker 12: to wall gambling advertising, which sometimes it looks like, particularly
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Speaker 12: in a big game. But I do think we also
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Speaker 12: have to realize that a lot of people enjoy gambling.
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Speaker 12: It is some people like to buy shoes, some.
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Speaker 4: People like to do other things.
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Speaker 12: I mean, we have to realize there is poison this
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Speaker 12: matter too, but not given finally to the forces that
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Speaker 12: I think want to abolish it entirely. I don't think
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Speaker 12: that's right.
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Speaker 3: It's a funny comparison, Maybe leaving someone in a shoe
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Speaker 3: store to keep buying more and more shoes might be
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Speaker 3: about the same. I do think just I'll say that
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Speaker 3: I think it's fascinating. There's so much focus on whether
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Speaker 3: we should ban television gambling advertising, but there's not much
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Speaker 3: discussion about all the advertising that children are exposed to
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Speaker 3: when they're watching kids programs on YouTube and the like.
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Speaker 4: And I think there needs to be more discussion about
20:24
Speaker 4: that because that is far more dangerous.
20:27
Speaker 12: Perhaps we could add in pornography yet, well, yes, because
20:30
Speaker 12: that is really really serious. Yes, And I'm sure as
20:34
Speaker 12: the domestic violence.
20:35
Speaker 3: Well let's talk about that next week, next Tuesday, Broman,
20:38
Speaker 3: Bishop Calebond, great to have you both with me. Well,
20:41
Speaker 3: let's bring in now Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson
20:44
Speaker 3: to speak about Mike Burgess finally clarifying his comments on
20:48
Speaker 3: the Gaza visa issue. James, Welcome to the program.
20:53
Speaker 4: Does this clear up the matter, do you think from
20:56
Speaker 4: a security perspective?
20:59
Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 11: No, In fact, in many ways it raises more questions.
21:02
Speaker 11: But all the questions are as they always should have been,
21:05
Speaker 11: about the Albanese government's handling of this issue, not about
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Speaker 11: our security agencies, or about our security agency heads like
21:11
Speaker 11: Mike Burgess, who do an outstanding job. Mike Burgess has
21:14
Speaker 11: now effectively set out a test for the bar that
21:17
Speaker 11: you should need to clear if you want to come
21:18
Speaker 11: to our country. He said, you are a risk to
21:22
Speaker 11: the security of Australia if you support from US, if
21:26
Speaker 11: you support what they did on the seventh of October,
21:28
Speaker 11: and if you support the annihilation of the state of Israel. Now,
21:32
Speaker 11: can the Prime Minister, all the Minister for Home Affairs
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Speaker 11: Tony Burke, put their hand on their heart and stand
21:37
Speaker 11: up tomorrow and promise that not one of the three
21:40
Speaker 11: thousand tourist visas they granted to Gaza residents includes anyone
21:45
Speaker 11: who supports from US, anyone who supports the seventh of October,
21:48
Speaker 11: or anyone who wants to annihilate Israel. I seriously doubt
21:52
Speaker 11: that with the rushed, risky and reckless process they put
21:55
Speaker 11: in for handing out these tourist visas like confetti.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, I mean, it might even behired to find three
22:01
Speaker 3: thousand people from Gaza at the moment who don't support
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Speaker 3: any of the propositions that you just put there.
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Speaker 4: But James, I'll remind.
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Speaker 3: You, because we've spoken about this before earlier in the
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Speaker 3: year and February, I've already shown that there's a twenty
22:14
Speaker 3: one year old Palestinian came on a visit a visa
22:17
Speaker 3: from Gaza since October seven, now in Melbourne. He has
22:21
Speaker 3: on social media already liked posts and shared posts that
22:26
Speaker 3: supported the October seven terror attacks, that supported her Musk.
22:29
Speaker 3: There were numerous of their, numerous posts, I've shown them
22:32
Speaker 3: on this program.
22:34
Speaker 4: So already people have come in.
22:35
Speaker 3: Here who do appear to be her must supporters based
22:38
Speaker 3: on their social media activity.
22:40
Speaker 4: So what should Tony Burke do now?
22:42
Speaker 3: What happens now if there are people already in Australia
22:46
Speaker 3: as part of the Albanezi government's visa program who are
22:50
Speaker 3: Hamas supporters.
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Speaker 11: Well, you're right to single that out, Shari, because Mike
22:55
Speaker 11: Burgess has made clear in his comments today that even
22:58
Speaker 11: liking or retweeting a tweet supporting these incidents is evidence
23:03
Speaker 11: of concern from a security point of view and would
23:06
Speaker 11: cause that person a problem in seeking to come to Australia. Now,
23:09
Speaker 11: I don't buy Mike Burgess or Azio for the fact
23:11
Speaker 11: that people like that do appear to have come in
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Speaker 11: under the Albanezer government, because we know AZIO can only
23:16
Speaker 11: act when cases are referred to them, and we know
23:19
Speaker 11: from Mike Burgess comments on insiders that not all cases
23:22
Speaker 11: are being referred to them. Well, this is exactly why,
23:25
Speaker 11: when you're dealing with a terrorist controlled war zone, that
23:29
Speaker 11: you should be referring all applications to AZEO, that full
23:34
Speaker 11: security vetting should be conducted for anyone leaving those countries
23:38
Speaker 11: or that region. And that's not what this government has done.
23:41
Speaker 11: So we already have thirteen hundred of these people in
23:44
Speaker 11: this country already. There may be a risk among that cohort,
23:47
Speaker 11: but they're a further seventeen hundred offshore who could come
23:51
Speaker 11: to Australia at any moment if the raft of Crossing
23:53
Speaker 11: reopens again. Is we all hope that it does after
23:56
Speaker 11: a ceasefire agreement that releases the hostages. Now, what is
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Speaker 11: the Albanize government doing about the thirteen hundred who are here?
24:03
Speaker 11: Are they going to review any of them? Will they
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Speaker 11: cancel any of their visas if they found a support
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Speaker 11: on us? And what are they going to do about
24:08
Speaker 11: the seventeen hundred who will try to get here as
24:11
Speaker 11: quickly as possible? Are they going to review any of
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Speaker 11: those to make sure there aren't any mus supporters among them.
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Speaker 11: Are They've not outlined any plan to do so. I
24:17
Speaker 11: have no confidence that they're going to do so.
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Speaker 13: Well.
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Speaker 3: It's a very difficult position because Tony Burke has come
24:22
Speaker 3: out and said that no one is being sent back
24:24
Speaker 3: to the war zone. He said, no government in its
24:27
Speaker 3: right mind would send anyone back to Gaza. So what
24:31
Speaker 3: does he plan to do with the people. And we've
24:33
Speaker 3: seen figures today that about seven hundred have applied for
24:36
Speaker 3: a different visa, bridging visa to extend their stay more
24:40
Speaker 3: permanently in Australia. So these are big questions for the
24:44
Speaker 3: government to answer. And James, you know, Paul Kelly made
24:47
Speaker 3: this point brilliantly in his article in The Australian on
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Speaker 3: the weekend. He said, at no stage has any minister
24:53
Speaker 3: from the Albanezy government actually come out and said all right,
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Speaker 3: this is our intake, this is how many people we're
24:59
Speaker 3: bringing in, this is the class of visa. There's been
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Speaker 3: no explanation. And Paul Kelly also pointed out that there
25:06
Speaker 3: are two separate issues here, entry policy and security checks,
25:10
Speaker 3: and there's been this deliberate blurring of the lines by Alberizi.
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Speaker 4: What do you think about this?
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Speaker 11: All really good points, Shary. Let's take them in turn.
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Speaker 11: On Paul Kelly's article on the Weekend, I agree with you.
25:23
Speaker 11: A very critical point was made by him and also
25:25
Speaker 11: by voices like Dennis Richardson, the former Director general of ASIO,
25:28
Speaker 11: which is that we have both character provisions, which is
25:31
Speaker 11: a matter for government and the Department of Home Affairs
25:33
Speaker 11: and security risks, which is a matter for ASIO and
25:36
Speaker 11: Mike Burgess and his team. And the bar to cancel
25:40
Speaker 11: someone's visa on character grounds is considerably lower than to
25:44
Speaker 11: cancel their visa on security grounds. To give you one
25:47
Speaker 11: tangible example, the Albanezer government has made it pretty clear
25:50
Speaker 11: that they're not going to approve a visa for Candice Owens,
25:53
Speaker 11: someone from the United States who wants to come to
25:55
Speaker 11: Australia on a Speaking to her, now, I'm not a
25:57
Speaker 11: fan of her. I think she's a dangerous anti Semma
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Speaker 11: and a conspiracy theorist. But she's not a supporter of
26:03
Speaker 11: Hamas or terrorist organizations. She's just an anti Semite and
26:06
Speaker 11: on that grounds alone, they are not going to approve
26:08
Speaker 11: her visa. Are we seriously saying among the three thousand
26:12
Speaker 11: gars of tourist fiezas, there are no anti Semites. Have
26:14
Speaker 11: they even asked, have they even checked? And this goes
26:17
Speaker 11: to the other issues. I mean, how can you possibly
26:19
Speaker 11: be confident when the interviews didn't take place, when the
26:23
Speaker 11: biometric checks weren't done, when they were just handed out
26:26
Speaker 11: tourist vizas so quickly, and if Tony Burke is right
26:29
Speaker 11: that none of these people can be returned while were
26:31
Speaker 11: they given tourist vizas in the first place. A condition
26:34
Speaker 11: of a tourist viza is you're only here to visit temporarily.
26:37
Speaker 11: Clearly none of these people intend to stay here temporarily.
26:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, so many questions that the government really needs to
26:43
Speaker 3: find typ it doesn't look like they're going to do
26:45
Speaker 3: that anytime soon. Just before you go, James Patterson, the
26:48
Speaker 3: Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wang has given a foreign policy
26:52
Speaker 3: speech today, but she inserted some domestic politics into it.
26:56
Speaker 3: In fact, it's reported that she's going to accuse the
26:59
Speaker 3: lib Liberal Party of failing to recognize Jakarta's importance, citing
27:04
Speaker 3: Robert Menzies's nineteen forty seven criticism of the chiefly labor
27:07
Speaker 3: government support for Indonesian independence as the very ecstasy of suicide.
27:12
Speaker 3: Do you think this is appropriate from the Foreign Minister.
27:19
Speaker 11: It's extraordinary and bizarre that the Foreign Minister would think
27:21
Speaker 11: it's appropriate to revive seventy year old comments of a
27:26
Speaker 11: dead prime minister as a way of attacking Peter Dutton
27:31
Speaker 11: and the Liberal Party today, and to do so in
27:33
Speaker 11: front of invited guests from our region who are our friends.
27:37
Speaker 11: I mean, how does it enhance Australia's national interest to
27:40
Speaker 11: do that? We could all play this game. We could
27:43
Speaker 11: revive Arthur Colwell's comments from a similar era about Asian
27:46
Speaker 11: immigration and use that to attack the Labor Party today.
27:49
Speaker 11: But would that make Australia stronger? Would that enhance our
27:51
Speaker 11: position in a delicately balanced Indo Pacific?
27:54
Speaker 1: Of course not.
27:54
Speaker 11: And the Foreign Minister I think has debased herself today
27:57
Speaker 11: with this partisan attack. She's obviously been fired by Jim
28:00
Speaker 11: Chalmers and there's clearly been a message sent out to
28:02
Speaker 11: Labor Front benchers get out there and tear peedter ut
28:05
Speaker 11: and down because they've long come to accept there's no
28:08
Speaker 11: way they're going to build Anthony Albanezi up. And if
28:10
Speaker 11: you can't build up your own team. All you can
28:12
Speaker 11: do is tear down the other one.
28:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's clearly concern about the momentum that seems to
28:17
Speaker 3: be in Dutton's direction at the moment, judging by the polls.
28:19
Speaker 3: James Patterson, always great to have you on the show.
28:21
Speaker 4: Thank you. Now Stiel to calm.
28:24
Speaker 3: Australia's economy on life support as we brace for tomorrow's
28:27
Speaker 3: GDP figures and what will it mean for interest rates?
28:31
Speaker 4: Judah Sloan would join me next class.
28:33
Speaker 3: Albinezi's approval ratings now the same as Scott Morrison's when
28:37
Speaker 3: he went into the last election. Well is it all over,
28:41
Speaker 3: red Rover for the beleagued PM.
28:43
Speaker 4: My Political Insiders panel will weigh in. Welcome back.
28:51
Speaker 3: We're returning to tonight's top story. The National account stater
28:55
Speaker 3: that's out tomorrow is expected to show next to no growth.
28:59
Speaker 3: This could be the slowest pace of growth in the
29:01
Speaker 3: Australian economy in twenty years, and the stage is set
29:06
Speaker 3: for the Government to partly blame the RBA for this
29:08
Speaker 3: weak economic data, with Treasurer Jim Chalmers accusing the Central Bank.
29:13
Speaker 4: Of smashing the economy.
29:15
Speaker 3: Well, let's bring in now eclumnist and economist Judith Sloan.
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Speaker 4: Judith, thank you so much for your time again.
29:21
Speaker 3: Look, tomorrow's figures, according to market expectations aren't looking too good.
29:25
Speaker 4: Some are predicting around.
29:27
Speaker 3: Zero point two percent. Do you think that's going to
29:31
Speaker 3: be what we see?
29:35
Speaker 14: I think that's right, Shahi. So eleven thirty is see
29:39
Speaker 14: the big time when it comes out, and what do
29:43
Speaker 14: I think people will have to understand this? And actually
29:45
Speaker 14: most of the figures are in the locker. So for
29:48
Speaker 14: anyone who did economics, we used to talk about why
29:51
Speaker 14: equals C plus I plus G plus x one. I
29:54
Speaker 14: seem we actually know what most of those things are.
29:58
Speaker 14: So I think almost certain. I think the Treasurer will
30:02
Speaker 14: have got a memo from Treasury last week, late last week,
30:07
Speaker 14: which is to tell him that the figure will be weak.
30:11
Speaker 14: And there's also the possibility that the March figure could
30:15
Speaker 14: be revised. These figures tend to be revised, revised, and
30:19
Speaker 14: it could be revised downwards. So I think the picture
30:22
Speaker 14: will definitely be one of well, I don't know, smash
30:28
Speaker 14: I think is a sort of perhaps unfortunate word, but
30:31
Speaker 14: a very weak economy. And I think Charmer's reaction to
30:35
Speaker 14: that is to try and fend off the blame from
30:39
Speaker 14: himself and blame anyone else who's passing by, and that
30:43
Speaker 14: is particularly the Reserve Bank.
30:46
Speaker 3: Well, looking at what he said this week is you
30:49
Speaker 3: know he said interest rates are partly to blame.
30:51
Speaker 4: He's also blamed global factors.
30:55
Speaker 3: How responsible is the central bank for this weak economy?
30:59
Speaker 3: And given inflation is what's causing families so much pain,
31:03
Speaker 3: it is the biggest fight at the moment. Did the
31:05
Speaker 3: RBA have any other choice but to raise rates thirteen types?
31:12
Speaker 14: Well, they've really only got the one lever, which is
31:14
Speaker 14: the cash strate. And what the cash rate does then
31:17
Speaker 14: is feed into other interest rates, including mortgage rates. And
31:22
Speaker 14: you know, let's be clear here, the aim has been
31:25
Speaker 14: to slow the economy, to reduce aggregate demand. Now I heard,
31:29
Speaker 14: particularly mister Albanezy talk about global factors. The trouble is
31:34
Speaker 14: that that is a very out of date story.
31:37
Speaker 4: So if we look at all.
31:39
Speaker 14: Our major economies, most of them have got two characteristics. Now,
31:45
Speaker 14: one they've got inflation down to within their target bands,
31:49
Speaker 14: and secondly they have begun to lower their interest rates.
31:53
Speaker 4: So we're actually the laggard.
31:55
Speaker 14: And I think it's probably a bit yesterday's story to
31:59
Speaker 14: be lame and big global events, but I guess they'll try.
32:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, we've seen that there's been analysis that if
32:08
Speaker 3: the dune quarter is around zero point two percent, that
32:10
Speaker 3: means that the annual growth would be zero point nine percent.
32:14
Speaker 3: You know, how does this sit in our history as
32:18
Speaker 3: a country? How do you compare this to the recession
32:22
Speaker 3: in the nineteen nineties.
32:25
Speaker 14: Well, this is badly because don't forget the population is
32:30
Speaker 14: growing between two and two and a half percent, which
32:33
Speaker 14: is extremely strong both historically but also by international comparisons.
32:38
Speaker 14: So if you've got the economy growing at point nine
32:42
Speaker 14: and the populations, say, growing at two, you quickly work
32:45
Speaker 14: out that in per capita terms, we're going backwards.
32:49
Speaker 4: So this, I think.
32:51
Speaker 14: Almost certainly will be the sixth quarter of negative per
32:56
Speaker 14: capita GDP growth, and in international terms, that is a
33:00
Speaker 14: bad story. It's basically a reflection of falling living standards,
33:06
Speaker 14: and you're not seeing the same gloomy story in a
33:10
Speaker 14: number of other countries, particularly the US for example.
33:14
Speaker 3: Look, there does seem to be at least some frustration
33:17
Speaker 3: from the Central Bank about not just federal government but
33:19
Speaker 3: state government spending as well. I mean there's not enough
33:22
Speaker 3: focus on the state government spending, particularly Queensland really but
33:27
Speaker 3: there seems to be frustration on government spending. How much
33:30
Speaker 3: of a rift do you think there is? I mean
33:32
Speaker 3: the Treasure on television this morning said there's no rift.
33:35
Speaker 3: We're working together. Michelle Bullock's obviously his handpicked governor. So
33:39
Speaker 3: do you think those reports that we've seen this week
33:43
Speaker 3: are a bit overblown?
33:47
Speaker 14: Well, let me put it this way. I don't think
33:49
Speaker 14: they're helpful. I think to kind of have an open
33:53
Speaker 14: battle with the Reserve Bank is really not a help
33:56
Speaker 14: in terms of economic policy. But there is clearly an
34:00
Speaker 14: element of well, both someone applying the break and someone
34:05
Speaker 14: applying the accelerator to this economic car and that.
34:09
Speaker 4: Is not a good idea.
34:10
Speaker 14: Are the states part of the problem most definitely? But
34:14
Speaker 14: I do think I saw Katie Gallagher make a ridiculous
34:17
Speaker 14: point which is, oh, well, they have no control over
34:20
Speaker 14: the states. They do have control over the states, both
34:23
Speaker 14: in a sort of jaw boning sense but also in
34:27
Speaker 14: their ability to actually apply some financial penalties if they overspend.
34:32
Speaker 4: So I think it.
34:34
Speaker 14: You know, it's an interesting point with Michelle Bullock because
34:38
Speaker 14: you know they have changed some of the processes, so
34:40
Speaker 14: for example, they don't have as many meetings. They're now
34:43
Speaker 14: only every six weeks. And she then gives a press
34:47
Speaker 14: conference after the decision is made public. Now that sort
34:52
Speaker 14: of takes the narrative away from the treasure. Mind you,
34:55
Speaker 14: Jim Chalmers had wanted this, but I think in retrospect
34:58
Speaker 14: it's sort of he's sort of losing control of the
35:01
Speaker 14: storytelling because Michelle Bullock is getting it and she has
35:06
Speaker 14: got better and the journalists have got better. So it's actually,
35:10
Speaker 14: you know, it's not normally something I want to spend
35:13
Speaker 14: forty minutes listening to, but I quite.
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Speaker 4: Look forward to it so as well, So I'll.
35:19
Speaker 14: Be doing that regularly.
35:20
Speaker 13: All right.
35:21
Speaker 3: Judah Sloan, always terrific to have you on the show.
35:23
Speaker 4: Thank you again.
35:24
Speaker 3: Now after the break, is Albin Easy out of his depth?
35:27
Speaker 3: Or speak to my Political Insiders panel as the PM
35:30
Speaker 3: tries to shake off bad approval ratings, and later on
35:34
Speaker 3: the show will cross Live to tell Aviv as Joe
35:36
Speaker 3: Biden claims Natan Yahoo isn't doing enough?
35:40
Speaker 4: Well, what is he doing?
35:45
Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in tonight's Political Insiders panel, Bill
35:48
Speaker 3: Shotton's former chief of staff, Cameron Milner and former advisor
35:52
Speaker 3: to John Howard David Gazzard.
35:54
Speaker 4: Welcome to you, gentlemen.
35:56
Speaker 3: Look, let's start with the PM's dismal newsport approval ratings
36:00
Speaker 3: that now as bad as Scott Morrison's were in the
36:03
Speaker 3: lead up to the twenty twenty two election loss. Cameron,
36:06
Speaker 3: how worried should Albanezi be about these figures?
36:11
Speaker 15: Well, Albert should be very worried. But doesn't it tell
36:13
Speaker 15: you something about the Prime Minister when he's just so
36:15
Speaker 15: lackluster and lazy and tells journeys he's not worried. This
36:19
Speaker 15: is the guy who's responsible for nothing and has an
36:21
Speaker 15: excuse for everything. Shari, I mean, this is the guy
36:24
Speaker 15: who's ring Tony's phone is wasn't me? I mean Albani's
36:28
Speaker 15: voice loss wasn't me? Two and eighty five dollars, power
36:30
Speaker 15: cup wasn't me? Cost of living fighting wasn't me? I
36:33
Speaker 15: mean this guy will tell you anything to absolve himself
36:37
Speaker 15: from his responsibility, which is to lead the Laid Party
36:39
Speaker 15: the next election and win a majority. At this rate,
36:42
Speaker 15: we'll lose.
36:44
Speaker 3: Look, and you say you of course, as a labor person, David,
36:48
Speaker 3: you know we heard this similar Ratrick from the Prime Minister.
36:52
Speaker 3: During the Voice campaign, he seemed to be telling everyone
36:55
Speaker 3: they were going to win. Obviously, there was a shocking
36:57
Speaker 3: defeat for them. Do you think there's any possibility though,
37:01
Speaker 3: that the coalition could win the next election or do
37:04
Speaker 3: you think it's just minority government that's in stall for Labor.
37:09
Speaker 9: I think minority government is probably the most likely, but
37:12
Speaker 9: a coalition winner is entirely possible. Momentum is flowing against
37:18
Speaker 9: the government and as debate and conjecture and focus scrutiny
37:27
Speaker 9: intensifies on this government, they seem to be making greater mistakes,
37:32
Speaker 9: so no one is really looking at this stage of
37:36
Speaker 9: the cycle. The interest in what's happening in politics will
37:41
Speaker 9: will probably pick up coming out of Christmas next year,
37:44
Speaker 9: but it would be deeply alarming for Labor strategists and
37:48
Speaker 9: I think I think Cameron's.
37:50
Speaker 4: Got it right.
37:50
Speaker 9: It would be deeply worrying to see support for the
37:53
Speaker 9: Prime Minister and the Labor Party ebbing away.
37:57
Speaker 3: Look, we learned today that the Prime minister top media advisor,
38:01
Speaker 3: Brett Mason.
38:02
Speaker 4: Has resigned after nine months in the job.
38:06
Speaker 3: Is actually a lovely guy from a journalist, Cameron, what
38:10
Speaker 3: does this say about the Prime Minister's office that this
38:13
Speaker 3: is now his second communications boss who's had to call
38:16
Speaker 3: it quits.
38:18
Speaker 15: Well, Albo's office is full of sick of fans and
38:21
Speaker 15: old mates from university days. Let's face it. I mean,
38:23
Speaker 15: anyone who says yes to Alba gets a job in
38:25
Speaker 15: Albo's office. But two communications directors in nine months is disastrous.
38:30
Speaker 15: But let's not shoot the messenger. It's the message, Shari,
38:33
Speaker 15: that's the problem. It's Albo's the problem. And you know,
38:35
Speaker 15: if you own a something wants to take up the job.
38:37
Speaker 15: I mean, having been Kevin Rudd's spin doctor, you know,
38:39
Speaker 15: an apologist for Twiggy Forest should be spinning something from
38:43
Speaker 15: the proverbial to get elbow up in this selection.
38:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, David Gazarde, you've obviously worked as a media advisor
38:50
Speaker 3: to a prime minister.
38:52
Speaker 4: You know, there's only so much you can do.
38:54
Speaker 3: If the Prime minister's policies are not something that the
38:57
Speaker 3: people want to hear, or if they don't like how
38:59
Speaker 3: he's made decisions on not taking control of national security,
39:03
Speaker 3: for example, then you can't blame the media team.
39:06
Speaker 13: Yeah.
39:07
Speaker 9: There seems to be this view that's pushed in the
39:09
Speaker 9: media that this is a chance for a refresh of
39:12
Speaker 9: the message. I'm sorry, Brett Mason was not setting the
39:15
Speaker 9: message that is set by the cabinet, that is set
39:19
Speaker 9: by the Prime Minister. There's always this view that, oh, well,
39:22
Speaker 9: they're not selling our policies right that Cameron is absolutely right.
39:26
Speaker 9: This is the message, not the messenger. It's a difficult
39:30
Speaker 9: enough job to do anyway without losing the confidence of
39:34
Speaker 9: the senior echelons across cabinet, factional colleagues and of course
39:40
Speaker 9: ultimately the boss itself. But ultimately, at the end of
39:44
Speaker 9: the day, it is what the Labor Party is selling,
39:47
Speaker 9: what the Prime Minister is selling, and it's not an
39:50
Speaker 9: unelected figure in the Press office like Brett Mason.
39:54
Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, look just to end on ACO boss Mike Burges says,
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Speaker 3: guys and visa backflip if you like. He's clarified his comments.
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Speaker 3: Dartin today said that the Prime Minister should apologize to
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Speaker 3: the spy chief for misleading and taking him out of
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Speaker 3: context in parliament.
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Speaker 4: What do you think Cameron.
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Speaker 15: Albert should have apologized and cleaned up verbally the ASIO
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Speaker 15: boss weeks ago. I mean he was caught out red handed,
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Speaker 15: red handed, so in this situation. Albo has been caught
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Speaker 15: again by the asioos having to clarify the very same situation,
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Speaker 15: which is that gards and tourists are coming in without
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Speaker 15: security checks. Guards and tourists are coming in without the
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Speaker 15: right checks, and Albert should own up to that, and
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Speaker 15: yes he should definitely apologize to the lead of ASIO,
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Speaker 15: Mike Burgess.
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Speaker 3: Look, David, there's no way around this. This is an
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Speaker 3: absolute policy fiasco.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, no doubt, and it plays exactly to the hand
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Speaker 9: where Peter dut New's the strongest. He's an ex police officer,
40:54
Speaker 9: he's been the Minister for Immigration and bought and controlled
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Speaker 9: Border Force and Home Affairs. This is his territory. Most
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Speaker 9: Australians would believe that he would handle this better than
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Speaker 9: the Prime Minister. I don't expect Anthony Albinezi to apologize
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Speaker 9: to Mike Burgas, by the way, but it's another way
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Speaker 9: of Peter Dutton getting in this into the news and
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Speaker 9: highlighting the fact that the Labor Party is very, very
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Speaker 9: weak on borders. Don't forget but this is an issue
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Speaker 9: that's gone around now for seven election cycles and it's
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Speaker 9: falling into the same mistake of thinking it can control
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Speaker 9: the borders and weaken the borders, and that the public
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Speaker 9: is going to like it. They've been found out again,
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Speaker 9: and that the Prime Minister's being the consequences.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, it's the economy and it's national security, and that's
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Speaker 3: what they've got to worry about. Davy Gazard and Carara Milnet,
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Speaker 3: thank you both very much. Now still to come shocking
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Speaker 3: comments by Joe Biden as the families of Israeli hostages
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Speaker 3: grieve their loved ones, and Israeli television host would join
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Speaker 3: me live.
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Speaker 4: After this quick break.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's been another gut wrenching day for the families
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Speaker 3: of the six innocent hostages who were executed by Hermas.
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Speaker 3: And today the parents of Hirsh Goldberg Pollen, an Israeli American,
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Speaker 3: laid their son to rest. Heirsh's mother, Rachel Goldberg, gave
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Speaker 3: a very moving emotional speech.
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Speaker 16: If there was something we could have done to save
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Speaker 16: you and we didn't think of it, I beg your forgiveness.
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Speaker 4: We tried so very hard, so deeply and desperately.
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Speaker 3: And in a seriously sick and twisted move, Hermas wanted
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Speaker 3: to rub salt in the wound, and they released chilling
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Speaker 3: new footage of the six Israeli hostages they murdered last week.
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Speaker 3: This clearly a cruel final taunt to their already devastated
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Speaker 3: and grieving families. This is terrorist propaganda, and it shows
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Speaker 3: the captive's last messages before they were executed at close.
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Speaker 4: Range, believe to have been shot in the head.
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Speaker 3: Hamas has also threatened to kill the remaining hostages and
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Speaker 3: return them to Israel inside coffins if Israel's military pressure continues. Now,
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Speaker 3: this was a tragic day, and one of the hostages executed,
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Speaker 3: literally shot in the head, was an American citizenhirsh. Yet
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Speaker 3: US President Joe Biden had the audacity to tell off
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Speaker 3: Benjamin Netanyaho for not doing enough to secure the release.
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Speaker 4: Of the hostages. Have a look, it's a president.
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Speaker 16: If you think it's time for probe, Prime Minister net
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Speaker 16: Yahoo could do more on the issue.
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Speaker 5: Do you think he's doing enough?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 4: No, Netanyah, who is not doing enough according to Biden.
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Speaker 3: Now, the idea that Biden should try to blame netin
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Speaker 3: Yahoo after hermas killed six hostages is insanity. The only
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Speaker 3: message Biden should be sending is one way he puts
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Speaker 3: the fear of God into Hamas Otherwise, this just plays
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Speaker 3: into Harmasa's strategy. They kill hostages and Israel is blamed.
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Speaker 4: Now, this of.
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Speaker 3: Course comes after Biden has been on holidays for the
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Speaker 3: past two weeks sun tanning at the beach. Last time
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Speaker 3: I checked, Joe Biden is still the president. He chose
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Speaker 3: not to relinquish that role. So what has he been
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Speaker 3: doing to free his American citizen Hirsh. Where were the
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Speaker 3: US troops going into Raffa to search for him? They weren't,
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Speaker 3: And Biden was trying to stop Israel going into Rafa
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Speaker 3: at all. It made Netiyahu delay by some three months. Now,
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Speaker 3: irrespective of your view on Netiyahu, the idea that it's
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Speaker 3: Israel that's prevented a cease fire deal is utterly ludicrous.
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Speaker 3: It's her musk that has failed to come to the
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Speaker 3: table over and over and over again.
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Speaker 4: It's a point that Blincoln.
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Speaker 3: Has made clear publicly that Israel has accepted their proposals,
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Speaker 3: but her musk has it. Now what's worrying is that
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Speaker 3: the reaction to blame Israel for the execution of these
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Speaker 3: six hostages will only encourage Hamas to repeat this ghastly
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Speaker 3: murder again. It encourages more of the same.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's cross.
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Speaker 3: Live now to tell Aviv, where I'm joined by Israeli
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Speaker 3: news Anka Littal, Shamesh Littal.
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Speaker 4: Thank you for your time.
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Speaker 3: Now, what did you think of those comments by Joe
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Speaker 3: Biden today trying to blame Israel for Hermasa's murder of
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Speaker 3: the six young lives.
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Speaker 16: Yes, well, thank you for having me, Sherry. I think
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Speaker 16: you said it beautifully.
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Speaker 4: You know, every.
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Speaker 16: Person with a bit of a bit of sense of
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Speaker 16: understanding the situation could clearly see that Kamas is refusing
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Speaker 16: a deal time and again, Israel is willing to consent.
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Speaker 16: Israel is sending delegations to do Jata Katar to Cairo
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Speaker 16: time and again, months after months, sending delegations in order
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Speaker 16: to try and achieve some sort of a hostages deal,
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Speaker 16: and Commas again and again is saying no. And as
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Speaker 16: you said, hearing President Biden saying that NATANIAO is not
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Speaker 16: doing enough two days after six of our innocent Israeli
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Speaker 16: hostages were shot dead. Blaming Israel and blaming Natanio is
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Speaker 16: really a stop in the face, because after such an
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Speaker 16: horrific attack like that, the US should pressure Ramas. The
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Speaker 16: US should pressure the Palestinians.
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Speaker 4: I don't see any.
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Speaker 16: Sanctions being lifted upon Katar, upon the Palestinian authority. Hundreds
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Speaker 16: of trucks are getting into the Gaza Strip humanitarian aid
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Speaker 16: every single day, and President Biden still have the audacity
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Speaker 16: to blame Prime Minister Nataniao and I think for a
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Speaker 16: lot of us in Israel, it is a stop in
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Speaker 16: the face because you have to understand the bigger point,
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Speaker 16: and the bigger point is the fact that America is
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Speaker 16: in a year of election. Hamila Maari's are basically wanting
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Speaker 16: to get ceasefire so they can get a peace of mind,
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Speaker 16: so they can get peace in the Middle East. But
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Speaker 16: Israel knows that it cannot leave the Gaza Strip without
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Speaker 16: clearing it from the heads of Ramas, without clearing it
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Speaker 16: from the remaining of Ramas. We need to take measures.
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Speaker 16: We need to bring back our safety. We need to
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Speaker 16: bring back those people who are living on the border
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Speaker 16: with the Gaza Strip to fill and to live in
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Speaker 16: their safe environments. And we cannot do that until we
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Speaker 16: clear out the Gaza Strip from Ramas.
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Speaker 4: So just ordering.
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Speaker 16: Israel to take out all the soldiers is a first
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Speaker 16: of all, you're leaving behind all the hostages that are
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Speaker 16: still remaining because at the moment, at the moment, Ramas
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Speaker 16: is not really willing to give more than twenty maybe
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Speaker 16: thirty hostages and not even telling which ones are still
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Speaker 16: alive and which one are dead. And then what do
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Speaker 16: you do? You take out the idea from the Gaza
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Speaker 16: strip and you're just leaving all the rest to die.
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Speaker 16: And I think that all the pressure at this moment
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Speaker 16: should be on Ramas. Yesterday Prime Minister Nazaniao held our
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Speaker 16: press conference and he said, after this horrific event of
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Speaker 16: Ramas healing shooting six six innocent hostages, Israel will respond
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Speaker 16: and we will. We are waiting to see what is
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Speaker 16: going to be the if response to that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you just think how different the situation
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Speaker 3: might have been if they had been genuine and you know,
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Speaker 3: tangible international pressure on hermask through Iran, through Katar and
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Speaker 3: you know, sanctions, other financial pain.
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Speaker 4: It might have been different for the hostages. But you know,
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Speaker 4: you're right.
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Speaker 3: We hear some of the Western leaders more frequently criticize Israel.
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Speaker 3: The latest news today Kiir Starmer now saying that he's
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Speaker 3: going to suspend thirty out of three hundred and fifty
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Speaker 3: arms export licenses to Israel, so all the pressure seems
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Speaker 3: to be on Israel. Here it's a massive case of
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Speaker 3: vic and blaming latlshamesh. Thank you very much for your
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Speaker 3: time tonight.
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Speaker 4: That's it for me. I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 4: And right now, here's Paul Murray.