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Music Star-Sex-Perv R. Kelly Whines of 'POPULARITY ' in Prison Turn to Fear · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. R Kelly. Okay, I guess
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Speaker 1: he's jealous. Shawn comes Diddy is getting all the attention
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Speaker 1: in the last days. Another wrinkle, let me say a
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Speaker 1: bizarre wrinkle in the R. Kelly sex trafficking prosecution. R Kelly,
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Speaker 1: a renowned R and B singer, multi millionaire, just can't
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Speaker 1: keep his yap shut. Kenny. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: The I Believe I Can fly hit Maker is behind bars. Yes,
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Speaker 1: he's in the can serving a thirty one year sentence
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Speaker 1: for child sex abuse crimes. You heard me right, child
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Speaker 1: sex abuse crimes. He hears about Seawan Combe's aka Diddy
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Speaker 1: getting all the attention, and now he has demanded that
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Speaker 1: he be set free and wants quote house arrest, citing
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Speaker 1: fears for his safety and claims there is a murder
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Speaker 1: plot orchestrated against him by fellow inmates. Oh, I hate
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Speaker 1: when that happens. When you get convicted on multiple counts
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Speaker 1: of child sex abuse and sex trafficking and you get
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Speaker 1: thrown behind bars and the other inmates don't like you. Wow,
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Speaker 1: I wonder why, hmmm, what do we know? With me
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Speaker 1: right now is a very special guest, Lisa Van Allen.
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Speaker 1: I met in just her poise and her emotion. Her
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Speaker 1: recounting her time with R. Kelly, the music superstar, nearly
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Speaker 1: broke my heart. Lisa, a father and mother of a girl,
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Speaker 1: say their daughter was ninety pounds and looked like a
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Speaker 1: prisoner after she returned from the singer's tour bus and
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Speaker 1: screamed quote like a mad woman at the mention of R.
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Speaker 1: Kelly's name. Now, these quote rumors have been swirling for years,
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Speaker 1: and I recall when R Kelly was prosecuted. I mean
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Speaker 1: it took a darn videotape being sent to the prosecutor's office.
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Speaker 1: I guess the word of the victims wasn't enough, so
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Speaker 1: they go forward with a video of R. Kelly not
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Speaker 1: only having sex with a minor that's called tuttory rape
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Speaker 1: according to the prosecution, but urinating on her and in
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Speaker 1: her mouth. Okay, the jury acquitted him, claiming that they
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Speaker 1: didn't know if the girl was underage. Okay, Lisa Allan,
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Speaker 1: could you please, as best as you can tell us
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Speaker 1: how you met R. Kelly and what happened after that.
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Speaker 2: I met him in nineteen ninety eight at the Home
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Speaker 2: Alone video shoot. I actually went with a friend of
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Speaker 2: mine's girlfriend. She was an extra and I went with
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Speaker 2: her and I was an extra as well, and he
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Speaker 2: actually had his cousin come up to me and told
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Speaker 2: me that he wanted to meet me. I wasn't sure
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Speaker 2: who he was when he told me. He said, Rob
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Speaker 2: wants to meet you. And I was asking who Rob was,
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Speaker 2: and he said R Kelly. So I went over to him.
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Speaker 2: I was, you know, surprised because I was only seventeen
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Speaker 2: years old, so I didn't expect to meet him. There
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Speaker 2: were tons of grown women there, strippers and other you
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Speaker 2: know things like that that he could have been interested
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Speaker 2: in meeting. But he picked out the youngest girl in
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Speaker 2: the crowd and I went to met him and he
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Speaker 2: asked me how old I was, and I thought I
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Speaker 2: was seventeen. His first question, well, his second question was
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Speaker 2: will your mother let you come to Chicago?
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Speaker 1: Lisa hold on. For those of you just joining me,
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Speaker 1: an alleged victim of the superstar R Kelly, the creator
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Speaker 1: of I Believe I Can Fly. Hold on just a moment,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, let me ask Lisa one more question. Lisa,
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Speaker 1: was this before or after he was tried on that
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Speaker 1: video with the fourteen year old girl before? So, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, the first thing he did, and Lisa Van
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Speaker 1: Allen has been consistent every time she's told her story.
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Speaker 1: First thing he did. He seeks her out. There's all
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Speaker 1: these strippers, grown women everywhere. He comes over to a
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Speaker 1: teen girl and says, how old are you? What does
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Speaker 1: that tell you, Doctor Bethany?
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Speaker 3: It tells me that this is his offending pattern. He
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Speaker 3: wants underage girls, minors, and he wants girls who are
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Speaker 3: pliable over whom he can have control. And you know
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Speaker 3: R Kelly is setting up a sex cult, so what
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Speaker 3: is he going to do. He's going to go towards
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Speaker 3: the youngest, the most vulnerable members of any group, and
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Speaker 3: he's going to recruit them. He's on a recruiting mission.
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Speaker 3: That's what it tells me.
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Speaker 1: Back to Lisa Van Allen, she claims that R. Kelly
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Speaker 1: took advantage of her sexually as a young girl, and
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Speaker 1: I believe her. I believe her standing on her own
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Speaker 1: because I've met her. We're not just some disembodied voices
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Speaker 1: over the airwaves. I have met Lisa Van Allen I
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Speaker 1: have looked her in the eye. I have spoken to
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Speaker 1: her on and off camera. I have evaluated her credibility,
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Speaker 1: her demeanor, her the degree of detail. I've compared her
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Speaker 1: current statements to many many previous statements for inconsistencies anderation.
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Speaker 1: And I can tell you, as a veteran felony prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: if I were a better I would put money that
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Speaker 1: Lisa Van Allen is telling the truth, and I believe
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Speaker 1: a jury would agree with me.
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Speaker 4: Listen, when we first started having sense, Rob was behind
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Speaker 4: the camera and I started popping the tapes in to
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Speaker 4: see what was on them. But I came across the
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Speaker 4: one with me him and the fourteen year.
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Speaker 5: Old bootleg copies of the tape start showing up around
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Speaker 5: the country.
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Speaker 4: This is the one that makes it almost impossible for
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Speaker 4: people to pretend that they did not know that this
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Speaker 4: person had a thing for little girls.
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Speaker 1: So Lisa Van Allen, R. Kelly comes up to you,
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Speaker 1: amongst all the strippers and the women ground women, he
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Speaker 1: picks out a skinny little girl, and then what happens
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Speaker 1: says how old are you? Then what happens and when
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Speaker 1: your mama lets you come to my town?
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Speaker 2: Right? And then I mean, of course if he knows
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask my mother at the video
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Speaker 2: shoot and there's no you wouldn't have cell phones, you know,
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Speaker 2: back then like now. So I'm assuming he asked that
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Speaker 2: question just to see if I would agree to come
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Speaker 2: pretty much, you know what I mean? So yeah, so after.
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Speaker 1: That, then, so what did what did you say?
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I said yes, my mother would allow me
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Speaker 2: to come, but of course I didn't ask her, you
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Speaker 2: get what I mean?
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Speaker 1: And that started it. Listen.
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Speaker 5: R Kelly is arrested on the Chicago charges. The charges
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Speaker 5: they filed against him were not statutory rape charges. They
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Speaker 5: filed child pornography charges. It's the same penalties, but is
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Speaker 5: easier to prove if you cannot in it down to
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Speaker 5: a specific date. There was no date on the tape.
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Speaker 1: What about the child or charge?
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Speaker 2: How right?
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Speaker 5: He ultimately has to face the charges in a Chicago courtroom.
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Speaker 5: He pleads not guilty in post his bail, and he's released.
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Speaker 6: After R Kelly please not guilty, he goes straight to
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Speaker 6: a Southside church. He goes straight to an event where
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Speaker 6: he is admired by young children. Here, he is being
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Speaker 6: prosecuted for allegedly having sex with an underage girl and
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Speaker 6: ministers civil rights leaders in the city Chicago wanted to
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Speaker 6: play up the side of him that did the I
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Speaker 6: believe I can fuck, and not the side of him
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Speaker 6: with the ranting lyrics that kind of went along with
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Speaker 6: possibly having sex for.
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Speaker 1: The underage girl you are hearing from Surviving R Kelly
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Speaker 1: on Lifetime. As we all know, the musical superstar R
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Speaker 1: Kelly was arrested on child porn charges for making that
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Speaker 1: grainy video with a fourteen year old girl in a
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Speaker 1: sex act. And in the video you can clearly see
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Speaker 1: a mole on the back of R. Kelly's back, which
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Speaker 1: is the mole on his back, But the girl would
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Speaker 1: refuse to admit that it was her, so the state
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Speaker 1: ran up against rock and a hard spot because they
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Speaker 1: couldn't definitely prove it was her. But Lisa Van Allen
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Speaker 1: is with me who lived with R Kelly, who I
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Speaker 1: believe is one of his victims. Lisa Van Allen, do
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Speaker 1: you believe the girl was fourteen years old in that
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Speaker 1: porn tape?
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Speaker 2: I know she was fourteen because we actually had a,
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Speaker 2: you know, a threesome with her and at the time
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Speaker 2: he told me she was sixteen years old. I later
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Speaker 2: found out that she was two years younger than that.
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Speaker 2: So because we were headed to one of his video shoots.
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Speaker 2: On the way there, she told me that she was
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Speaker 2: going to be getting a PP Cruiser for her sixteenth birthday.
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Speaker 2: By me doing the math, you know how long ago
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Speaker 2: the first encounter was. It was two years prior to that.
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Speaker 2: So if you're just about to turn sixteen in a
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Speaker 2: few weeks, and that would have made you fourteen when
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Speaker 2: we had the sexual encounter and the tape that was
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Speaker 2: on trial, she would exactly the same, had the same hairstyle,
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Speaker 2: the same, the same just everything, everything was exactly the same,
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Speaker 2: the same, It was even in the same room.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Lisa, you had a threesome weather right,
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Speaker 1: But I think you've gotten to know her fairly well,
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Speaker 1: and you saw her, You saw her more of her
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Speaker 1: than any of us have seen. And I'm not judging.
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Speaker 1: I don't care who does what with who unless it
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Speaker 1: is non consensual or there's a minor involved, exactly, And
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Speaker 1: I think everyone is so in awe, not me, but
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Speaker 1: other people of r. Kelly that he has literally gotten
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Speaker 1: away with felonies for decades. I mean Lisa, his marriage
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Speaker 1: to Aleiah back in this all the time of my head.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety six, she was fifteen, and he coerced
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Speaker 1: her to lie on the marriage certificate, to marry her exactly,
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Speaker 1: and then when it came out that the certificate was
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Speaker 1: a fraud, her parents had a fit, I'm sure, and
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Speaker 1: they got the thing annulled and she would never speak
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Speaker 1: if R Kelly is my understanding, Lisa, well.
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Speaker 2: I know he told me that they had to think
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Speaker 2: called pins and eyeballs, So no matter if it was
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Speaker 2: pins and her eyeballs or he, they wouldn't speak about it.
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Speaker 1: So I want to go back to you, Lisa van
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Speaker 1: Allen with me who was lured into Ourchlly's web. So
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Speaker 1: he comes up to you on this video shoot. He
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Speaker 1: picks you out of all these grown women. You're just
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Speaker 1: a skinny little teen girl, ask if you can come
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Speaker 1: to his town, which I assume with Chicago. Did you go?
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Speaker 7: Yes?
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Speaker 8: I did.
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Speaker 2: I didn't go immediately. I waited about a month to
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Speaker 2: call him. The main reason was because I didn't know
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Speaker 2: what to talk to him about. I mean that might
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Speaker 2: sound a little praying to a grown people, but as
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Speaker 2: a young girl I didn't know what to talk to
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Speaker 2: a grown man yet alone R Kelly on the phone
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Speaker 2: about I didn't think he was going to rush me
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Speaker 2: to Chicago. I thought we were going to have a
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Speaker 2: phone conversation. So I waited a while to call him,
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Speaker 2: and then once I did call him, it was no
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Speaker 2: conversation other than him asking when can you get to Chicago?
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Speaker 1: And then what happened?
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Speaker 2: So I told him whenever, you know, he could get
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Speaker 2: me there, and he put me on the phone with
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Speaker 2: June Brown, which is his assistant, and June talked to
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Speaker 2: me through everything of how to get there. He didn't
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Speaker 2: book it for me, of course, because I was seventeen
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Speaker 2: at the time, so they sent me the money and
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Speaker 2: they actually told me to get my own ticket and
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Speaker 2: where to go and what hotel to go to once
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Speaker 2: I got there and everything, and then they brought me
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Speaker 2: to him once I got to Chicago.
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Speaker 1: So they are killing his people told you how to
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Speaker 1: book your own ticket at seventeen, I would not have
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Speaker 1: known how to book my own ticket, and you did
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Speaker 1: and use the money.
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Speaker 2: I didn't. No, I didn't even have an ID, so
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Speaker 2: I had to go and tuck me in to get
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Speaker 2: an ID, you know, telling me what's all I needed
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Speaker 2: to do to fly.
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Speaker 1: To Nicole de Board joining me. Former prosecutor now criminal
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Speaker 1: defense lawyer, Nicole Aboard, You've prosecuted a lot of felony cases,
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Speaker 1: and I think this is diabolical. And I'll tell you why,
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Speaker 1: because they knew how to erase all the evidence of
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Speaker 1: their involvement. It's not him putting it on his credit
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Speaker 1: card or his recording studio. She did it so in
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Speaker 1: years to come they could go, oh, she just showed up.
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Speaker 1: We didn't even know she was coming.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: You know, it is heartbreaking to hear this account of
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Speaker 7: what happened. And I have to agree that what adds
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Speaker 7: to the credibility of this story here are the details,
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Speaker 7: the many many details about when and how and what
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Speaker 7: was said and what the instructions were. So I tend
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Speaker 7: to agree that this is the case that really ought
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Speaker 7: to hold up if the charges would just be accepted.
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Speaker 1: You know, Alexis esschut writer online dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: What a mind? Let me just think of the right
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Speaker 1: word for how to mess with your mind? Because one
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Speaker 1: moment he's having sex with these girls, and the next
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Speaker 1: moment people are cheering for him and he's singing gospel
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Speaker 1: music Nancy.
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Speaker 9: The thing is so many people have come forward for
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Speaker 9: so many years with stories about R. Kelly, and the
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Speaker 9: authorities never believed them. Reporters. I have spoken with people
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Speaker 9: who said that they knew victims that we're living with R.
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Speaker 9: Kelly for years. We've written stories. The authorities have done
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Speaker 9: nothing because he is so famous and so rich and
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Speaker 9: so powerful, and just no one believed these girls.
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Speaker 1: This is one of the.
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Speaker 9: Hardest stories to cover a reporter. When you write things,
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Speaker 9: and you write them and no one believes it and
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Speaker 9: nothing happens. The police do nothing. It's so frustrating.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, the Grammy winning singer and
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Speaker 1: pop icon, got thirty plus years behind bars for sex
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Speaker 1: abusing women and underage girls and boys, and doing it
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Speaker 1: over the span of decades. I remember when he was
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Speaker 1: sentenced by US District Judge and Donnelley. This is after
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Speaker 1: Donnelly heard multiple statements from seven victims during hours and
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Speaker 1: hours in court of victim statements in Brooklyn Federal Court.
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Speaker 1: And there was another witness, Javonte Cunningham. I will never
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Speaker 1: forget what was said. Quote. With every free edition of
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Speaker 1: a new victim, you grew in wickedness and the witness
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Speaker 1: steered directly at him. She said, and I quote, you
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Speaker 1: used your fame and power to groom and coach underage
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Speaker 1: boys and girls for your own sex gratification. Another victim stated,
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Speaker 1: in open court, quote you made me do things that
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Speaker 1: broke my spirit. I literally wished I would die because
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Speaker 1: of how low you made me feel. She then turned
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Speaker 1: to R. Kelly in court and said do you remember that?
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Speaker 1: And R Kelly wouldn't even look up at her. R Kelly,
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Speaker 1: Robert Sylvester Kelly convicted on nine charges racketeering, violating the
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Speaker 1: Man Act that bar interstate transportation of women and girls
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Speaker 1: for quote immoral purposes. Yeah, the judge threw the book
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Speaker 1: at him. But now he says, people behind bars don't
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Speaker 1: like me. I need house arrest. That chance, bro that chance.
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Speaker 1: Let's just revisit.
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Speaker 10: The Cook County State's Attorney's office, as we understand it
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Speaker 10: now from two sources, has indicted R.
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Speaker 11: Kelly.
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Speaker 10: As you know, R Kelly back in two thousand and
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Speaker 10: eight went to trial. He went to trial on fourteen
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Speaker 10: counts of child pornography. He was acquitted in that trial.
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Speaker 10: And in that trial there was also physical evidence, including
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Speaker 10: a tape, a videotape that prosecutors at the time says
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Speaker 10: was a girl that was thirteen years or fourteen years
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Speaker 10: old and r Kelly involved in sexual acts that had been.
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Speaker 1: Recorded by r Kelly.
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Speaker 10: But he was acquitted on those charges because the jury
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Speaker 10: said they simply could not positively, beyond a reasonable doubt,
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Speaker 10: end up being able to identify r Kelly or the girl,
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Speaker 10: even though they brought a lot of witnesses to say otherwise.
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Speaker 10: There were witnesses in that particular case that said opposite things,
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Speaker 10: and so the jury just was not able to go forward.
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Speaker 1: With a conviction.
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Speaker 10: R Kelly has always maintained that he is innocent of
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Speaker 10: all the charges and accusations that have been coming at him.
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Speaker 1: You hear from our friend, sirrs Seidner. R Kelly behind bars,
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Speaker 1: indeded and booked on ten counts of aggravated criminal sex abuse.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Robin
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Speaker 1: Olenski Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, author of Beautiful Life,
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Speaker 1: the CSI behind the Casey Anthony trial on Amazon, Robin,
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Speaker 1: what happened?
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Speaker 12: Well, here's the story. Nancy r Kelly has been charged
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Speaker 12: with the ten counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse. These
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Speaker 12: are allegations that stem from many years from nineteen ninety
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Speaker 12: eight to twenty ten, involving four females, three who were
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Speaker 12: at the time teenage.
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Speaker 1: Teenage girls. When you say eighteen girls, Robin Olinsky, are
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Speaker 1: you talking thirteen or nineteen?
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Speaker 12: Oh, we're talking thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, young, very young who
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Speaker 12: idolized this man.
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Speaker 1: Guys we're talking about are Kelly Robert Sylvester Kelly, aged
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Speaker 1: fifty two, said to spend another night in jail. Robin
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Speaker 1: Olinsky Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, tell me about
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Speaker 1: the arrest and the booking.
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Speaker 12: Well, here's the situation. He actually R. Kelly turned himself
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Speaker 12: in in Chicago to the police department, and there were
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Speaker 12: many many reporters, both in mainstream news and entertainment reporters
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Speaker 12: all there shouting questions at him, did you do it?
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Speaker 12: Are you guilty? And he said nothing. He turned himself
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Speaker 12: into the police and he was booked. And then the
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Speaker 12: next day the judge he had a bond hearing, and
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Speaker 12: he was being held on a million dollar bond, has
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Speaker 12: to put up one hundred thousand cash to get out,
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Speaker 12: and so far, Nancy, he has come up with the money.
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Speaker 12: Here's this guy who allegedly has all this money and
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Speaker 12: his worst millions and billions of dollars, and he can't
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Speaker 12: come up with one hundred thousand dollars to get out.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors allege one of the women was an underage girl
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Speaker 1: who Kelly solicited when he was on trial for child
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Speaker 1: porn back in two thousand and eight. Let me introduce
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Speaker 1: my all star panel, Robin Wolinsky, Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Brad Micklan, New Jersey lawyer, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: renowned California psychoanalyst Vincent Hill, cop turned PI author of
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Speaker 1: playbook to a murder on Amazon. Brad Micklin, you're the
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Speaker 1: high profile defense lawyer. According to sources, one of the
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Speaker 1: women was an underage girl Kelly solicited file he's on
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Speaker 1: trial for child porn back in two thousand and eight.
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Speaker 1: Remember that, Brad Micklin, what if your client jumped up
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Speaker 1: and he's on video with a fourteen year old girl
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Speaker 1: having sex and then urinates iner mouth. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: didn't want to say that, but that's the truth. That's
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Speaker 1: what happened, Brad mclin. And during that during that trial,
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Speaker 1: he sailicit's another underage girl.
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Speaker 8: Well, if it's true, Nancy, it's obviously repulsive. But with
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Speaker 8: regard to the current charges facing him, there are many
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Speaker 8: issues that they need to get passed first. There are
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Speaker 8: going to be statue limitation issues because these a lot
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Speaker 8: of these actions were back in the late nineties. You
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Speaker 8: got this documentary out that's going to came to Jewelry Pool,
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Speaker 8: and yet Avignatti with his hands into the evidence before
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Speaker 8: the prosecutors even got to it. So I think long
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Speaker 8: before we start to judge him on whether or not
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Speaker 8: he did this, we have to see whether there's a
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Speaker 8: basis for them to move forward on it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, the only thing that I heard
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Speaker 1: that makes carries any water with me is the Avinati issue.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Avianati has seemed to land in the
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Speaker 1: middle of every every controversy he's involved with, the Stormy
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Speaker 1: Daniels issue, then he somehow injected himself in the me
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Speaker 1: too campaign, and now this. I have a problem with
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Speaker 1: him having states evidence first as well. But that aside,
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Speaker 1: this is a very interesting fact. Brad mclin and I
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Speaker 1: did not know this until I started very carefully researching
22:20
Speaker 1: the law, the law has changed in multiple jurisdictions where
22:26
Speaker 1: the statute of limitations no longer applies in cases like this,
22:32
Speaker 1: and it's retroactive, which I was very surprised about, which
22:37
Speaker 1: means that if you commit a crime, say you committed
22:41
Speaker 1: the crime in two thousand, the two thousand law doesn't
22:44
Speaker 1: apply anymore. You get the twenty nineteen law. That's very rare,
22:49
Speaker 1: very rare under our constitution, but it's happened. So statute
22:55
Speaker 1: of limitations is not going to help him. To doctor
22:58
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, renown California psychoanalyst Dodger Bethany, I mean the
23:04
Speaker 1: nerve while he's on trial for child porn, got a jury,
23:09
Speaker 1: the works. According to these prosecutors, he slit it's another
23:12
Speaker 1: little girl, Nancy.
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Speaker 3: He's compulsive. I mean, he is a sex predator, predators
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Speaker 3: pre date. The attorney who was giving the press her
23:23
Speaker 3: kept talking about the fact that there was more than
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Speaker 3: five years age difference between him and his victims. She
23:29
Speaker 3: said it again and again and again. And what that
23:32
Speaker 3: tells me is she's trying to say he's not your
23:35
Speaker 3: average run of the mill sex predator. He is a pedophile.
23:40
Speaker 3: The criteria for pedophilia is that there is more than
23:45
Speaker 3: five years age difference between the offender and the victim,
23:49
Speaker 3: and that the victim is precubescent. Now, the youngest one
23:52
Speaker 3: was thirteen years old, so she was on the cusp.
23:56
Speaker 3: But as you just mentioned that, there was that other
23:58
Speaker 3: case when he was brought up charges of child pornography.
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Speaker 3: So this guy just can't stop himself. His whole life
24:05
Speaker 3: is organized around the compulsion. And I think fancy that
24:09
Speaker 3: this is why he doesn't have any money. How can
24:11
Speaker 3: you make money when all you want to do is
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Speaker 3: have sex with little kids? It ruins your entire life.
24:17
Speaker 3: This is all he can do. He's a talented musician,
24:20
Speaker 3: but I bet most of his waking hours are thinking
24:23
Speaker 3: about obtaining access to children and having sex with him.
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Speaker 1: Well. Also, if reports are true, he is keeping up
24:31
Speaker 1: at least six different properties in the Atlanta area alone,
24:36
Speaker 1: plus whatever he's got going on in Chicago, housing all
24:40
Speaker 1: of these women that are in his harem. And that
24:43
Speaker 1: is a euphemistic way to put it, you know, let
24:45
Speaker 1: me just put it like this. I've told many a
24:47
Speaker 1: jury and Brad Macklin is going to shudder during this.
24:52
Speaker 1: The story at the end of a closing argument about
24:55
Speaker 1: mister Scorpion and mister Turtle. Mister Scorpion meets mister Turtle
24:59
Speaker 1: at the side of the river and says, please just
25:02
Speaker 1: carry me across, and Turtle says, oh no, mister Scorpion,
25:05
Speaker 1: because you will surely bite me and we will both
25:07
Speaker 1: go to the bottom of the river and I will die.
25:10
Speaker 1: But Scorpion says, I promise, Why would I kill myself?
25:14
Speaker 1: Subby grudgingly, Turtle takes him across the river. Halfway across,
25:18
Speaker 1: Turtle feels a pain in his neck and he says,
25:20
Speaker 1: mister Scorpion, you bit me now we will both die,
25:24
Speaker 1: and Scorpion says, I can't help it. It's just my nature.
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Speaker 13: Earlier today, Robert Kelly was indicted before a Cook County
25:33
Speaker 13: grand jury on ten counts of aggravated criminals sexual abuse
25:37
Speaker 13: involving four victims. The first victim initials HW, was involved
25:43
Speaker 13: in incidents which occurred between May twenty six to nineteen
25:46
Speaker 13: ninety eight and May twenty fifth, nineteen ninety nine. A
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Speaker 13: grand jury returned an indictment on four counts of aggravated
25:54
Speaker 13: criminals sexual abuse based on the victim being under the
25:57
Speaker 13: age of seventeen and Robert Kelly being more more than
26:00
Speaker 13: five years older than the victim. The second victim, initials
26:04
Speaker 13: r L, was involved in an incident which occurred between
26:07
Speaker 13: September twenty sixth nineteen ninety eight and September twenty fifth,
26:11
Speaker 13: two thousand and one. A grand jury returned an indictment
26:15
Speaker 13: on two counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse based on
26:18
Speaker 13: the victims being under the age of seventeen and Robert
26:21
Speaker 13: Kelly being more than five years older than that victim.
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Speaker 13: The third victim, INITIALS LC, was involved in an incident
26:29
Speaker 13: which occurred February eighteenth, two thousand and three. A grand
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Speaker 13: jury returned an indictment on one count of aggravated criminal
26:36
Speaker 13: sexual abuse based on the transmission of seamen by Robert
26:40
Speaker 13: Kelly upon any part of the body of the victim
26:43
Speaker 13: for the purpose of sexual gratification during the course of
26:47
Speaker 13: an underlying felony of attempt criminal sexual assault. The fourth victim,
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Speaker 13: initials JP, was involved in incidents which occurred between May one,
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Speaker 13: two thousand and nine and January thirty first, two thy ten.
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Speaker 13: A grand jury returned an indictment on the three counts
27:04
Speaker 13: three counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse based on the
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Speaker 13: victim being under the age of seventeen and Robert Kelly
27:11
Speaker 13: being more than five years older than the victim. Aggravated
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Speaker 13: criminal sexual abuse is a Class two felony with the
27:18
Speaker 13: sentencing range of three to seven years for count. It
27:22
Speaker 13: is also probationable. We anticipate that mister Kelly will appear
27:26
Speaker 13: in bond court tomorrow afternoon.
27:29
Speaker 1: Thank you. You are hearing the prosecutor outline all of
27:34
Speaker 1: the charges against R and B star are Kelly, Robert
27:38
Speaker 1: Sylvester Kelly. And right now he's sitting in the can.
27:41
Speaker 1: There's just no nice way to put it. He's behind
27:43
Speaker 1: bars trying to drum up the money to make bond.
27:47
Speaker 1: Joining me Robbie Olinsky, Vincent Hill, doctor Bethany Marshall, and
27:50
Speaker 1: Brad Micklin to Vincent Hill turned PI, author of playbook
27:54
Speaker 1: to a Murder on Amazon. You know, they go all
27:57
Speaker 1: the way back to nineteen ninety eight for these claims,
28:02
Speaker 1: which show me the statute of limitation is not an
28:05
Speaker 1: effect based on new legislation. A lot of defense attorneys,
28:10
Speaker 1: probably including Brad McK limb, but certainly R. Kelly's lawyer
28:14
Speaker 1: is going to argue to a jury that these claims
28:17
Speaker 1: are so old, why are they just coming forward? Now?
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Speaker 9: You know what jr.
28:20
Speaker 1: Ar might fall for that, But there are other counts
28:22
Speaker 1: as well. Vincent, what did they have to do to
28:24
Speaker 1: get this information, to get the evidence to show the case.
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Speaker 11: Well, Manti, I'm glad they did update the statute of
28:30
Speaker 11: limitations for these gruesome crimes. I mean, this reminds me
28:33
Speaker 11: of a Monica Lewinsky. You heard you got semen on dresses,
28:36
Speaker 11: you got semen on shirt, You've got semen on blouses.
28:39
Speaker 11: So the physical evidence is there. Thankfully, if we can
28:41
Speaker 11: get past these statue of limitations, we can actually get
28:44
Speaker 11: a conviction. And it's no wonder he's still sitting in
28:47
Speaker 11: jail and he can't come up with one hundred grand.
28:49
Speaker 11: He's been paying off women for years before closed on
28:52
Speaker 11: his house in twenty twelve because he had to go
28:54
Speaker 11: and pay all these women in civil cases. So it's
28:57
Speaker 11: no wonder he's sitting in jail and that's where he belongs.
28:59
Speaker 1: Quite frank two, Doctor Bethany Marshall, renownced California psychoanalyst. Doctor Bethany,
29:05
Speaker 1: you would think after the first jury trial where he's
29:09
Speaker 1: actually brought up on felony charges of creating pornography with
29:14
Speaker 1: a girl fourteen years old. You would think that that
29:18
Speaker 1: would stop him, but it didn't.
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Speaker 14: According to prosecutors, offenders offend again and again and again,
29:26
Speaker 14: and they organize their entire lives around the compulsion to offend,
29:32
Speaker 14: like see a lesser compulsion.
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Speaker 3: Let's take for example, alcoholism. An alcoholic might get a
29:39
Speaker 3: job as a bartender. A pedophile might get a job
29:43
Speaker 3: as a priest, or as a school teacher. A sex
29:47
Speaker 3: offender pedophile might become a musician so he can lure
29:51
Speaker 3: little girls, and he will remain undeterred even when he
29:55
Speaker 3: has to pay out settlements. This is what we saw
29:58
Speaker 3: with Michael Jackson. Remember settlement after settlement with little boys.
30:02
Speaker 3: But the crimes went on and on. And that's because
30:05
Speaker 3: there's also something called institutional sociopathy, where one socip path
30:10
Speaker 3: bands with another and then bands with another.
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Speaker 9: These people like r.
30:13
Speaker 3: Kelly, and we saw this with Harvey Weinstein, they surround
30:17
Speaker 3: themselves with people who accommodate to their crimes, so they
30:22
Speaker 3: are aided and embedded all over the place. And that's
30:25
Speaker 3: why the offending pattern never stopped.
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Speaker 1: To New Jersey lawyer High profile. Defense attorney Brad mclin
30:32
Speaker 1: joining us, Brad macklin, what do you make of the
30:35
Speaker 1: fact that some of the charges date back to nineteen
30:38
Speaker 1: ninety eight and how would you attack that a trial?
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Speaker 8: Well, and that's going to be a problem. I mean,
30:42
Speaker 8: he's not at this time. Several victims in several incidents,
30:45
Speaker 8: So you first attacked the statute limitations because in Illinois
30:50
Speaker 8: the limitations depend on whether or not there's corroboration, the
30:54
Speaker 8: age of defender and the relationship that R. Kelly may
30:57
Speaker 8: have had with that meaning was he in a position
30:59
Speaker 8: of the thought or where they personally claimed.
31:01
Speaker 3: So as a defense.
31:02
Speaker 8: Attorney, you're going to attack each specific event, each specific
31:06
Speaker 8: victim and date to try to knock out some of
31:08
Speaker 8: the claims. It's not going to be a slam dunk
31:10
Speaker 8: on a statute limitations issue, but at least you can
31:13
Speaker 8: get rid of some of the offenses and some of
31:16
Speaker 8: the victims and reduce what you're facing a trial.
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Speaker 1: Guys, when Brad and I are talking about statute of limitations,
31:22
Speaker 1: what that means is under our jurisprudence, under our constitution,
31:28
Speaker 1: after a certain period of time years, cases can no
31:32
Speaker 1: longer be prosecuted. They're deemed too old. The evidence is
31:37
Speaker 1: no longer as valid as it was before. That's the rationale.
31:41
Speaker 1: So you have a limit on how many years pass
31:44
Speaker 1: until you can no longer try the case. This is
31:47
Speaker 1: what we know. Singer R Kelly's prosecutors alleging he's solicited
31:50
Speaker 1: underage girls for sex even while he was on trial
31:55
Speaker 1: for child porn. While he was on trial back in
31:58
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, according to prosecutors, Kelly still found
32:02
Speaker 1: time to talk to fans, to sign autographs, to take photos,
32:07
Speaker 1: and meet an underage girl he invited to his home, and,
32:10
Speaker 1: according to them, solicited for sex. Other accusers include a
32:15
Speaker 1: little girl who met Kelly at her sixteenth birthday party,
32:19
Speaker 1: and a hairdresser who expected to braid the singers here,
32:22
Speaker 1: only to find out he wanted a sex act instead.
32:25
Speaker 1: He goes on and on and on, but now he's
32:29
Speaker 1: really looking at a heap of trouble. Now, this is
32:31
Speaker 1: the person you don't want to have a fender bender with.
32:35
Speaker 1: And see Gloria allready get out of the car in
32:37
Speaker 1: front of you. Oh no, you do not listen to this.
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Speaker 15: We have an appointment today with the New York City
32:42
Speaker 15: Police Department, who have as asked to meet with Faith
32:45
Speaker 15: in furtherance of their investigation into potential victims of R.
32:50
Speaker 1: Kelly.
32:50
Speaker 15: We will offer our full and complete cooperation in their investigation.
32:55
Speaker 15: Prosecutors in Chicago and Atlanta are also seeking information from
32:59
Speaker 15: potent victims, and we plan to offer them our cooperation
33:03
Speaker 15: as well. Mister Kelly, you may soon join the ranks
33:07
Speaker 15: of Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein.
33:10
Speaker 1: Just as they have.
33:11
Speaker 15: Been and are being held accountable for their actions, you
33:17
Speaker 15: also must be accountable.
33:19
Speaker 1: To Robin Olensky, author of Beautiful Life and Crime Online
33:23
Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter, where you can find this and
33:25
Speaker 1: every other breaking news item in justice and criminal law.
33:32
Speaker 1: Robin Lensky, how did Gloria already get involved?
33:34
Speaker 12: Well, Gloria Allread is now representing one of the underage
33:40
Speaker 12: girls who has claims against R.
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Speaker 7: Kelly.
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Speaker 12: You know what, Nancy, When I've been researching this case
33:47
Speaker 12: and covering it over time, what comes to my mind
33:50
Speaker 12: though about this? Remember what your grandmother used to say
33:53
Speaker 12: to you, Where there's smoke, there's fire. Now, all of
33:56
Speaker 12: these are allegations, but you start building your ca and
34:00
Speaker 12: it goes back to nineteen ninety eight, and then you
34:03
Speaker 12: know there's stuff prior to that, and then it goes
34:05
Speaker 12: on and on and on.
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Speaker 15: In response to the allegations of his many alleged victims
34:10
Speaker 15: as contained in the recent Lifetime documentary, Kelly's attorney has
34:14
Speaker 15: appeared to threaten a lawsuit against Lifetime, and, according to
34:18
Speaker 15: news reports, someone associated with Kelly's team launched a Facebook
34:23
Speaker 15: page called quote Surviving Lies to allegedly discredit his accusers.
34:29
Speaker 15: Reports indicated that the page was quote swiftly taken down
34:33
Speaker 15: for violating Facebook's policy on bullying or sharing others private
34:38
Speaker 15: contact information. News reports also claim that mister Kelly is
34:43
Speaker 15: threatening to sue everyone involved in the documentary. Mister Kelly's attorney,
34:48
Speaker 15: Stephen Greenberg, said the singer will quote hopefully sue Lifetime
34:53
Speaker 15: in his first interview with ABC News since the release
34:55
Speaker 15: of Lifetime Surviving R. Kelly, I say to mister Kelly
34:59
Speaker 15: and his attorney, be careful what you hope for. All
35:02
Speaker 15: of these attempts to intimidate and threaten our clients and
35:04
Speaker 15: others will not work. Mister Kelly, Your disgusting tactics will
35:10
Speaker 15: not prevent women who alleged they were victimized from telling
35:13
Speaker 15: their truth.
35:14
Speaker 1: That is at turning Gloria Allred and I've got to
35:16
Speaker 1: tell you something. I got a soft spot for her,
35:18
Speaker 1: and this is why I not always heard of her.
35:21
Speaker 1: And I worked with her daughterly sublime at Court TV
35:24
Speaker 1: for many many years. Fine fine woman, and long story short.
35:28
Speaker 1: When I was out covering the Scott Peterson trial and
35:31
Speaker 1: I was there in Medwood City for months and months
35:35
Speaker 1: and months, I would get to the courthouse, okay, I'd
35:39
Speaker 1: get there around six o'clock in the morning to start
35:41
Speaker 1: doing morning TV, stay for the whole day do Court TV,
35:46
Speaker 1: and stay to do Larry King, which ended at that
35:50
Speaker 1: time at ten o'clock at night. When I would finally
35:53
Speaker 1: leave the courthouse, I would notice that Gloria Allred was
35:56
Speaker 1: there when I got there at six. When I left
35:59
Speaker 1: at night, I remember her standing there in her fancy
36:01
Speaker 1: Saint John's suit, working two cell phones, standing at a
36:04
Speaker 1: stop sign, working We're king. I'm telling you, she's got
36:10
Speaker 1: a work ethic like nobody else, Gloria Allred. And when
36:13
Speaker 1: she gets ahold of your case, it's like a pit
36:16
Speaker 1: bull's got a hold of you. You got to get pliers,
36:18
Speaker 1: you got to get a utensil to get her jaw
36:21
Speaker 1: off your case. Joining me Brad Micklin, doctor Bethany Marshall,
36:25
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, and Robin Wolenski. So let me understand this.
36:30
Speaker 1: Robin Wilensky, this guy, he's a music sensation, he's an icon.
36:36
Speaker 1: Can't put together the bail money.
36:39
Speaker 12: Yes, quite incredible, isn't it. Here's a guy who wins
36:43
Speaker 12: three Grammys for his songs. He's writing songs for other
36:47
Speaker 12: famous artists. He's got all these videos, he's got all
36:51
Speaker 12: these homes, he's got all this same he has all
36:54
Speaker 12: this fortune. And oh, by the way, I can't come
36:57
Speaker 12: up with one hundred thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: It's actually two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bond for
37:02
Speaker 1: each of the four women. That's a million dollar bond.
37:05
Speaker 1: So he's got to come up with one hundred thousand
37:08
Speaker 1: dollars in cash. Kelly's lawyers ask for a lower bond amount,
37:12
Speaker 1: arguing that his finances are a mess because he has
37:16
Speaker 1: just been dropped by a second by another record label.
37:20
Speaker 1: But so far that hasn't happened. The bond remains at
37:23
Speaker 1: one million dollars. I want to outline exactly what the
37:27
Speaker 1: charges are to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalysts out of Beverly Hills.
37:33
Speaker 1: He is accused of basically operating compounds, homes, townhomes, condos,
37:42
Speaker 1: at least six of them, where he houses young girls.
37:47
Speaker 1: They start around age sixteen or so or younger, and
37:50
Speaker 1: they live there for years. Everything they do, their food,
37:54
Speaker 1: what they wear is controlled. They are given cell phones
37:58
Speaker 1: that they can only die R. Kelly or his Hinch people.
38:02
Speaker 1: They cannot come out of their rooms or go into
38:05
Speaker 1: the hall. They have to ask to go to the restroom.
38:08
Speaker 1: And apparently there is a den mother of sorts that
38:12
Speaker 1: explains to these young girls how they are to accommodate R.
38:17
Speaker 1: Kelly's demands, what he wants them to do, and if
38:21
Speaker 1: that video was any indication of what he wants them
38:25
Speaker 1: to do urinating in their mouth. I'm just very surprised
38:31
Speaker 1: it's taken so long, doctor Bethany, How did it get
38:33
Speaker 1: this far and what do you perceive of the acts
38:36
Speaker 1: that he is committing.
38:38
Speaker 3: Well, okay, Nancy, you note that sex offenders on average
38:41
Speaker 3: offend for seventeen years before they come to the attention
38:44
Speaker 3: of law enforcement or before they're incarcerated prosecuted. So I'm
38:49
Speaker 3: not completely surprised by this. Look how long everything went
38:53
Speaker 3: on with Harvey Weinstein before he was prosecuted. But Nancy,
38:57
Speaker 3: we have to frame our thinking appropriately about what R.
39:00
Speaker 3: Kelly is doing. This is not a school teacher in
39:03
Speaker 3: a classroom that has targeted a miner and is obsessed
39:07
Speaker 3: with that minor. This is a leader of a sex cult.
39:10
Speaker 3: That's what he fancies himself as being. This is a
39:14
Speaker 3: Warren Jeffs. This is a David Koresh, This is a
39:17
Speaker 3: John of God. This is somebody who has amassed wealth
39:23
Speaker 3: properties compounds so he can bring as many women in
39:27
Speaker 3: as possible as a part of his harem. And then,
39:30
Speaker 3: as with leaders of any cults, he systematically cuts them
39:34
Speaker 3: off from financial and social support. He prevents them from
39:38
Speaker 3: calling their families. He begins to deprive them of food, clothing,
39:44
Speaker 3: and autonomy, and slowly he brainwashes them over time. So
39:49
Speaker 3: we're so fascinated by the sexual aspect of the sex
39:52
Speaker 3: cult that we forget that he is a run of
39:55
Speaker 3: the mill cult leader, as any other cult leader would be.
40:00
Speaker 3: Again cutting off his victims from outside support. He wants
40:05
Speaker 3: to be the sole supplier of everything in their lives,
40:08
Speaker 3: and I think he believed that this would go on
40:11
Speaker 3: and on and on, this idea of not being able
40:13
Speaker 3: to post bail. I'm sure she has a lot of
40:16
Speaker 3: money and properties, but you have to pour a lot
40:19
Speaker 3: of money into an obsession like this, Nancy. He's supporting
40:23
Speaker 3: scores of women and paying off other women at the
40:26
Speaker 3: same time in their families.
40:27
Speaker 1: Brad mclin, he's got another problem with me. A veteran
40:31
Speaker 1: trial lawyer out of New Jersey jurisdiction, Brad Macklin. Brad
40:35
Speaker 1: he owes nearly two hundred thousand dollars of child support,
40:39
Speaker 1: so his money problems don't stop with just his bail issue. Now,
40:43
Speaker 1: according to court documents, he owes almost two hundred grand
40:46
Speaker 1: in unpaid child support and catch this. The court ordered r.
40:50
Speaker 1: Kelly to make monthly payments of about twenty grand back
40:53
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. He didn't even show up
40:56
Speaker 1: at the hearing, according to the court documents. Now, to
41:00
Speaker 1: avoid being held in contempt a judge order, he paid
41:04
Speaker 1: the entire amount one hundred and sixty one thousand by
41:08
Speaker 1: March six. Of course, he didn't do it, and Greenberg,
41:13
Speaker 1: his defense lawyer, says he doesn't have to pay the
41:16
Speaker 1: child support before getting out of jail on this, I
41:20
Speaker 1: bet the court will disagree with that. Brad Micklin, I
41:23
Speaker 1: think the court's going to hold him till he pays
41:25
Speaker 1: the child support plus the bond.
41:28
Speaker 8: I agree actually with you, Nancy. I think even if
41:31
Speaker 8: they haven't ruled that way now, I think the Family
41:33
Speaker 8: Court should be making some decisions about not only what
41:36
Speaker 8: happens when he gets released, but what happens when he
41:39
Speaker 8: does post the bell and comes to court. What happens
41:42
Speaker 8: to one hundred thousand dollars? Does it get returned to him?
41:44
Speaker 8: Or do attach it and take it and paid over
41:46
Speaker 8: to the Child's department, which I think is what ultimately
41:48
Speaker 8: will happen in this case.
41:56
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray in the last days Predator
42:05
Speaker 1: are Kelly demanding he be released from his thirty plus
42:10
Speaker 1: year sentence on child abuse and sex trafficking because the
42:14
Speaker 1: other inmates don't like him and he's afraid. We we
42:20
Speaker 1: how do you think those boys and girls felt while
42:22
Speaker 1: you were molesting them? You think they were afraid? You know,
42:26
Speaker 1: I don't even want to hear it. Let's just revisit
42:29
Speaker 1: what we know. You're never going to believe this. The
42:33
Speaker 1: defense attorneys and all of R. Kelly's supporters, including his
42:38
Speaker 1: two girlfriends, were in court want him released. Listen to
42:44
Speaker 1: our friend at WGNTV. This is Nancy Luke.
42:48
Speaker 16: Kelly's attorneys are asking the judge to release the R
42:51
Speaker 16: and B singer while he waits for trial, arguing that
42:54
Speaker 16: he's not a danger to the community because many of
42:56
Speaker 16: the allegations are decades old. They also don't think Kelly
43:00
Speaker 16: should have prisoners as roommates. Kelly's attorneys are arguing that
43:04
Speaker 16: he should get to live with his not one, but
43:07
Speaker 16: two girlfriends in a secure facility such as a townhouse.
43:11
Speaker 8: A place it's appropriate, that'll be safe for him and
43:14
Speaker 8: that can house.
43:16
Speaker 12: The women that are part of his relationship.
43:17
Speaker 1: So we can't tell you where he would be living.
43:20
Speaker 1: R Kelly has just been moved out of solitary confinement
43:23
Speaker 1: and into GP general population, but prosecutors are fighting back
43:28
Speaker 1: against claims by his defense team he was held in
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Speaker 1: solitary against his will, and they point very clearly to
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Speaker 1: recorded jail house calls PS. All the calls of jail
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Speaker 1: are recorded, okay, and there's a warning that you hear
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Speaker 1: when you accept a call from the jail that it's
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Speaker 1: from a jail, okay. On those calls, he explained why
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Speaker 1: he refused to go into general population when it had
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Speaker 1: been offered, and he claims he was worried about his
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Speaker 1: fame making him too popular. Am unquote regular inmates? Who
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Speaker 1: does he think he is special? Quote if I go
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Speaker 1: to population, I'm just up on everybody, and everybody's up
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Speaker 1: on me, and I'm trying to figure out how to
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Speaker 1: trust that or whatever. He goes on to talk about
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Speaker 1: why he doesn't want quote too many people up on you.
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Speaker 1: I've seen too many movies and it's just that I'm
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Speaker 1: so popular.
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Speaker 17: Here.
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Speaker 1: Lisa Van Allen, then a teen girl, when she meets R. Kelly, Lisa,
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Speaker 1: what happened when you got to Chicago?
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Speaker 2: Initially, when I got there, you know, being so young,
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Speaker 2: it was a bit exciting to travel to another city
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Speaker 2: and to meet you know, him, and to hang out
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Speaker 2: here his music and things like that. But soon after that,
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Speaker 2: you know, that kind of died down because he asked
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Speaker 2: me to do a threesome with him, and the way
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Speaker 2: he got me to do it was he told me
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Speaker 2: it never had one before, and with me thinking that
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Speaker 2: his girlfriend, I felt, you know, kind of obligated to
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Speaker 2: do that for him if he had never had one before,
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Speaker 2: and he was a superstar, and you know what I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, girls are always throwing themselves at him, and
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Speaker 2: he's never had one before, so I'll just I'll go
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Speaker 2: ahead and do it, you know, for him. We had
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Speaker 2: the threesome, and after we had it, it just became
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Speaker 2: and just something that he always wanted to do threesomes
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Speaker 2: with different girls.
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Speaker 3: So what happened then I would get very upset.
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Speaker 2: I'd cry more often than not, I cry about it,
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Speaker 2: and he would always try to give me like Pep
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Speaker 2: talks about how you know, it was just sex and
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Speaker 2: it didn't hold any emotion to him, and how a
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Speaker 2: lot of times he didn't know the girl's names, and
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Speaker 2: you know, if I could just do it and get
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Speaker 2: it over with, you know, So it would be a
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Speaker 2: lot of a trauma involved for me because you know,
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Speaker 2: it was something that I didn't want to do, and
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Speaker 2: I felt, you know, that I had to do it
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Speaker 2: for him, especially since I had already done it, you
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Speaker 2: know what I mean. But you know, once I've realized
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Speaker 2: once we did it, more than once, I believed it
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Speaker 2: was a lie. But I was already caught up into it,
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Speaker 2: and I ended up living there with him. You know,
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Speaker 2: he was taking care of me. You know, I didn't
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Speaker 2: have my job anymore at the mall, you know, so
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Speaker 2: it kind of was like I really didn't have a choice.
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Speaker 1: When he would try to give you as you refer
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Speaker 1: to it as pep talks, you told me that he
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Speaker 1: would say things like, if you love me, you wouldn't
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Speaker 1: try to change me.
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Speaker 3: Yes, he would, Yes.
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Speaker 2: He would say that, And he'd say things that he
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Speaker 2: would say that that's what his mother told him, if
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Speaker 2: if a woman loves a man, she won't try to
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Speaker 2: change him. So I'm thinking to myself, well, him and
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Speaker 2: his mother would know better than me. If i'm you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm a child. What do I know
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Speaker 2: about what a grown woman should do or what you
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Speaker 2: know to to please a man?
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Speaker 3: You know?
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Speaker 2: So I go off with what he told me, like, Okay, well,
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Speaker 2: I guess he's right.
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Speaker 1: At this time, you were seventeen, and how old was
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Speaker 1: he thirty one? Okay, I guess that's all right. There
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Speaker 1: another bizarre twist and the prosecution of R Kelly, the
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Speaker 1: R and B star multi millionaire in the last days
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Speaker 1: Kelly insists he should be released, that inmates want to
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Speaker 1: kill him. Hmm, how about solitary That's a good alternative,
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Speaker 1: but not house arrest. Need see.
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Speaker 17: There were several reasons that R. Kelly's attorneys cited for
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Speaker 17: requesting house arrest. Kelly's legal team submitted a motion claiming
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Speaker 17: Bureau of Prison officials conspired to arrange for him to
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Speaker 17: be killed by a fellow inmate. This alleged plot included
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Speaker 17: a terminally ill inmate who claimed he was promised early
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Speaker 17: release in exchange for carrying out the murder. They also
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Speaker 17: claim he was given an overdose quantity of medication by
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Speaker 17: prison staff, resulting in hospitalization. They also claim he was
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Speaker 17: being denied essential medication and surgery for blood clients. Kelly's
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Speaker 17: legal team also argued that continued incarceration under these circumstances,
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Speaker 17: with threats to his life and potential denial of medical care,
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Speaker 17: constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, a violation of his Eighth
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Speaker 17: Amendment rights. Federal prosecutors have called these allegations repugnant and
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Speaker 17: have stated that Kelly is using these claims to promote
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Speaker 17: himself and avoid responsibility for his crimes.
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Speaker 1: Are Kelly previously acquitted in a child pornography case, then
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Speaker 1: arrested by FEDS and prosecuted. He catches a thirty plus
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Speaker 1: year sentence for child sex abuse and sex trafficking. According
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Speaker 1: to R. Kelly's lawyer quote, his situation is emblematic of
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Speaker 1: the weaponization of the DOJ to go after public features.
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Speaker 1: Ok So he is now what R Kelly is the
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Speaker 1: target of a government conspiracy? Okay?
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Speaker 17: A federal judge denied Kelly's request for house arrest, citing
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Speaker 17: a lack of jurisdiction in the matter. It's just another
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Speaker 17: and a long list of legal maneuverings made by Kelly's
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Speaker 17: legal team. The Supreme Court has denied multiple appeals from R.
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Speaker 17: Kelly related to his convictions for sex crimes and racketeering.
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Speaker 17: In October of twenty twenty four, the Supreme Court declined
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Speaker 17: to hear an appeal regarding his convictions. Kelly's lawyers argued
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Speaker 17: a shorter statue of limitation should have applied, and just
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Speaker 17: last month, June twenty third, the Supreme Court denied an
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Speaker 17: appeal related to his RICO conviction. Kelly's legal team argued
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Speaker 17: the prosecution's use of the Rico Act to define the
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Speaker 17: terms enterprise was a misinterpretation. All these decisions mean that
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Speaker 17: R Kelly's convictions and his decade's long prison sentence will stand.
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Speaker 1: Hitmaker r Kelly demanding he get out of jail early
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Speaker 1: and have just house arrest. What is he jealous of
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Speaker 1: all the attention D B D D D is getting.
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,