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  Speaker 1: On March 9th, 1956, CBS Radio Workshop presented its seventh broadcast,
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  Speaker 1: Report on ESP. CBS's experimental dramatic anthology turns here to
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  Speaker 1: alleged cases of extrasensory perception. Using a documentary drama format
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  Speaker 1: to consider reports of telepathy and clairvoyance, Raymond Burr, John McIntyre,
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  Speaker 1: Russell Thorson, Sam Edwards, Stacey Harris, and Lillian Biaffe are
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  Speaker 1: featured under the direction of Jack Johnstone with William Frugge producing.
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  Speaker 1: It is a format well suited to radio's ability to
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  Speaker 1: bring testimony, investigation, and dramatization together before the microphone. Now,
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  Speaker 1: back to the golden age of radio.
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  Speaker 2: Star. Wavy lines. Square.
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  Speaker 3: Seven. Seven. Three.
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  Speaker 4: Four.
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  Speaker 5: CBS Radio and its 217 affiliated stations present the CBS
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  Speaker 5: Radio Workshop, radio's distinguished series dedicated to man's imagination, the
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  Speaker 5: theater of the mind. Tonight, report on ESP, a study
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  Speaker 5: of clairvoyance, telepathy, and extrasensory perception taken from actual case records.
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  Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. John McIntyre. Extrasensory perception, clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition.
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  Speaker 5: These are the laboratory words. But in everyday life, you
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  Speaker 5: and I are faced with a multitude of strange occurrences. Item.
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  Speaker 5: A man is about to board a certain airliner. Suddenly,
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  Speaker 5: on a hunch, he turns back to the ticket window
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  Speaker 5: and changes to another flight. An hour later, the plane
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  Speaker 5: he would have been on crashes into a mountainside.
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  Speaker 4: Item.
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  Speaker 5: Item. A mother suddenly and unaccountably breaks into tears at
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  Speaker 5: the moment her son is killed a thousand miles away. Reason? Unknown. Unexplained.
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  Speaker 6: Cross.
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  Speaker 3: Square.
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  Speaker 5: Today, modern scientists are delving deeper and deeper into these mysteries.
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  Speaker 5: In the science laboratory of a great university, a girl
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  Speaker 5: sits at a table and draws cards from an automatic
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  Speaker 5: shuffling machine. On the face of each card is one
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  Speaker 5: of five possible designs. A star, a circle, a cross,
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  Speaker 5: a square, three wavy lines. Without looking at the cards,
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  Speaker 5: the girl tries to identify the designs by mental impressions,
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  Speaker 5: by clairvoyance. At another table, a man watches dice tumble
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  Speaker 5: about in a revolving cage. The man calls out a number.
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  Speaker 7: The dice are cast.
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  Speaker 5: The number is six. At still another table, an experimenter
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  Speaker 5: stares at a photograph of a tree and tries to
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  Speaker 5: project the mental image of this tree to an artist
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  Speaker 5: at a drawing board in the next room. These are
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  Speaker 5: only a few of the experiments by which modern science
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  Speaker 5: hopes to probe into these unexplained phenomena to solve one
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  Speaker 5: of life's greatest riddles. Mr. McIntyre, may I interrupt for
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  Speaker 5: just a moment?
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  Speaker 2: Certainly.
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  Speaker 5: My name is Lawrence Dobkin, Mr. Dobkin. Now, it's my
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  Speaker 5: contention most of these things can be explained.
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  Speaker 8: Properly investigated with adequate controls, science can show a perfectly
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  Speaker 8: normal logical explanation for almost any of these.
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  Speaker 5: So-called psychic phenomena. I see.
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  Speaker 7: Excuse me, Mr.
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  Speaker 5: McIntyre.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Russell Thorson, and I'd like to ask Mr. Dobkin
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  Speaker 2: a question.
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  Speaker 5: Go right ahead, Mr. Thorson.
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  Speaker 4: Mr.
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  Speaker 9: Dobkin, do you feel that science has been able to
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  Speaker 9: determine by what means certain men and women are are
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  Speaker 9: able to consult a forked stick and discover water far underground.
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  Speaker 5: You mean a water dowser?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, that's a superstition that goes back to the Middle Ages.
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  Speaker 9: I believe it's more than a superstition. I believe it's
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  Speaker 9: extrasensory perception.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, gentlemen, may I make a suggestion?
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  Speaker 2: Certainly, Mr.
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  Speaker 5: McIntyre. The workshop has included the case of a water
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  Speaker 5: dowser in tonight's report. For case number one, we have
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  Speaker 5: invited a gentleman who can give us an eyewitness account
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  Speaker 5: of how a water dowser works. Mr. Robert Ballin.
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  Speaker 3: To begin with, let me say that my experience is
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  Speaker 3: limited to the method used by one particular dowser, Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Henry Gross, game warden of Biddeford, Maine, probably the country's
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  Speaker 3: best-known dowser. Two books have been written about him by
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  Speaker 3: Kenneth Roberts, author of such bestsellers as Northwest Passage and
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  Speaker 3: Oliver Wiswell. As a result of reading of Mr. Roberts'
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  Speaker 3: books on Henry Gross, I decided to employ him to
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  Speaker 3: find water on my farm, which is just outside Manchester, Vermont.
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  Speaker 3: Shortly after I bought the farm, in the fall of 1954,
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  Speaker 3: the spring that supplied all my water suddenly went dry.
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  Speaker 3: Some of my neighbors said nothing could be done about it.
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  Speaker 3: Some said I should call in a geologist and try
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  Speaker 3: to drill a well. Instead, I got in touch with
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  Speaker 3: Kenneth Roberts and Mr. Henry Gross. I asked if Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Gross would be willing to come over from Maine and
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  Speaker 3: douse my farm. He said he would for a fee
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  Speaker 3: of $ 500 in expenses, and a day or so later,
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  Speaker 3: he drove up to my front door. He was a
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  Speaker 3: man of about 60, a little less than medium height, quiet,
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  Speaker 3: soft-spoken country gentleman. I invited him into the house for
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  Speaker 3: a cup of coffee, and Mr. Gross explained the conditions
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  Speaker 3: that I must agree to.
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  Speaker 10: Hmm.
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  Speaker 7: Now, Mr.
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  Speaker 6: Ballin, if I tell you where to dig your well,
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  Speaker 6: you must dig right there at that spot, and not
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  Speaker 6: maybe off a few feet north or south.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I understand that, Mr.
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  Speaker 5: Curse.
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  Speaker 7: And don't bring in one.
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  Speaker 6: Of those big bulldozers for the digging.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, the machine's too heavy.
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  Speaker 6: It makes the earth down so tight that it'd crush
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  Speaker 6: the veins and the water off in a new direction.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, I could see that it might. All right, we
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  Speaker 7: can get started.
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  Speaker 3: Most of my farm is on a hillside with a
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  Speaker 3: good deal of natural growth. As we walked along, Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Gross pulled up a goldenrod plant and bent it into
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  Speaker 3: the shape of a letter V. He took one fork
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  Speaker 3: of the branch in each hand and held the point
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  Speaker 3: directly in front of him in a horizontal position. He
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  Speaker 3: aimed slowly to the right, then to the left. Suddenly,
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  Speaker 3: the branch dipped down.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, it looks like your old spring, the one that
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  Speaker 7: dried out, is straight up the hill.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't tell you where it was, did I?
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  Speaker 7: Didn't need to. That's where my rod says it is.
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  Speaker 7: That's why it dipped.
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  Speaker 3: In other words, if the rod points down, that indicates water? Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 7: Or if I'm asking the rod a question, a dip
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  Speaker 7: means yes. If it doesn't dip, that's no.
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  Speaker 3: Can the rod tell how near we are to the spring?
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  Speaker 7: I'll ask it.
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  Speaker 6: How far away is the old spring? More than 100 yards?
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  Speaker 6: We waited a moment, and then the rod dipped again.
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  Speaker 7: More than 200 yards? Another pause.
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  Speaker 11: Pause.
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  Speaker 5: Then another dip.
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  Speaker 6: More than 500 yards.
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  Speaker 3: This time it was motionless. Seems to be less than 500.
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  Speaker 3: Is it 450 yards?
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  Speaker 5: Is it 460 yards? The questions continued.
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  Speaker 6: Until the rod indicated the old spring was 458 yards
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  Speaker 6: up the hill.
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  Speaker 7: We then paced off the distance and found.
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  Speaker 5: It to be 457 yards.
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  Speaker 3: Now, considering that a man's stride cannot be exact, the
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  Speaker 3: rod's accuracy was phenomenal.
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  Speaker 6: You know why this string went dry?
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  Speaker 7: It was off on a tributary, and this long gout
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  Speaker 7: passed it out.
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  Speaker 3: You think the main vein is still flowing?
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  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 7: Just a question of finding it.
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  Speaker 3: We worked our way down the slope until the divining
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  Speaker 3: rod dipped again. Then Mr. Gross began walking back and
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  Speaker 3: forth and asking the rod questions.
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  Speaker 10: Is it fine?
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  Speaker 3: Finally, we had worked ourselves almost up to my back door.
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  Speaker 3: And then Mr. Gross laid the rod aside.
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  Speaker 4: Mr.
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  Speaker 6: Ballin, you've got a good vein. It comes down from
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  Speaker 6: the top of that hill. It's about 20 feet wide.
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  Speaker 6: The deepest part is 7 feet. And behind your house,
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  Speaker 6: it rises to within 4 feet of the surface.
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  Speaker 4: Huh?
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  Speaker 7: Now, this is the place to dig. You'll find it's
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  Speaker 7: excellent drinking water.
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  Speaker 2: Fine.
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  Speaker 3: It's only four feet. I can dig it myself.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 7: Be good exercise.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Mr. Gross, two or three times while you were working,
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  Speaker 3: you seemed to break into perspiration and tremble.
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  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. It happens now and then. It takes a little
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  Speaker 7: out of you when you feel the water.
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  Speaker 3: You say feel?
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  Speaker 7: Well, that's the only way I can describe it.
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  Speaker 6: Well, then you must be able to find the water
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  Speaker 6: without using a divining rod. I do sometimes, but the
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  Speaker 6: rod is a help.
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  Speaker 3: Tell me, do you think other dowsers feel water the
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  Speaker 3: same way you do?
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  Speaker 6: I can't say, but I do know that most of
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  Speaker 6: us who are outdoor folks were at home in the
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  Speaker 6: woods and fields.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's important, very important.
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  Speaker 3: I followed Mr. Gross's instructions and started digging in the
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  Speaker 3: spot that he had indicated. The top earth was dry
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  Speaker 3: and caked, but at about 18 inches the soil was damp.
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  Speaker 3: At two feet it was moist, at three feet water
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  Speaker 3: seeped into the hole. Far as we could tell, the
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  Speaker 3: water vein was exactly at the depth that Mr. Gross
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  Speaker 3: had predicted.
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  Speaker 5: And now, I'd like to present in person the gentleman
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  Speaker 5: who participated in this remarkable phenomenon. Mr. Robert W. Ballin,
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  Speaker 5: a vice president of the world's largest advertising agency, the J.
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  Speaker 5: Walter Thompson Company. Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Ballin.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Mr.
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  Speaker 7: McIntyre.
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  Speaker 5: Would you care to make any comments on this case?
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  Speaker 10: No, I don't think so, except to say I realize
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  Speaker 10: that my experience with Mr. Henry Gross was quite impossible,
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  Speaker 10: except for one thing. It actually happened through no other
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  Speaker 10: device than one man's unusual powers.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Mr. Bellen. And you might be interested to
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  Speaker 5: know that in preparing this program, the workshop has inquired
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  Speaker 5: as to Mr. Henry Gross's recent activities as a water dowser.
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  Speaker 5: He has been employed by the city of Fredericksburg, Texas...
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  Speaker 5: by landowners on the island of St. Croix in the
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  Speaker 5: Virgin Islands, by such firms as Bristol Myers Chemical Laboratories,
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  Speaker 5: the A.C. Lawrence Leather Company, a subsidiary of Swifton Company,
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  Speaker 5: by two large electronic factories in New Jersey, and by
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  Speaker 5: Canada's largest munitions plant. Excuse me, Mr. McIntyre, may I
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  Speaker 5: just make a comment? Certainly, Mr. Dobkin. Thank you. Now,
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  Speaker 5: science has investigated water dowsing.
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  Speaker 8: It appears that when that rod twists and dips in
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  Speaker 8: the dowser's hands, well, that's actually caused by an unconscious
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  Speaker 8: muscular action.
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  Speaker 5: Now, if that's correct, there's no mystery about it. But
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  Speaker 5: there is.
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  Speaker 2: There most certainly is.
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  Speaker 7: In what way, Mr.
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  Speaker 5: Thornton?
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  Speaker 9: Well, even if the dowser should control the rod by
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  Speaker 9: this unconscious muscular action, what is it that affects his muscles?
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  Speaker 9: If the dowser has some strange affinity for water, how
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  Speaker 9: does he feel it?
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  Speaker 2: And how is it that Mr.
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  Speaker 9: Gross, over a flowing vein of water, can hold two
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  Speaker 9: dowsing rods, each slightly off-center, and have one rod work
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  Speaker 9: frontward and the other backward. Muscles can't do that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, but now you're getting off into the supernatural. The supernatural,
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  Speaker 5: or the natural, in a way not yet understood by science.
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  Speaker 5: In every era since the age of ice and of
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  Speaker 5: the mastodon, man has believed in the miraculous. He turned
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  Speaker 5: to the witch doctors, the soothsayers... to the astrologers, the magicians,
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  Speaker 5: to the frauds and the cunning cheats. Again and again
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  Speaker 5: his faith was betrayed, and yet he believed. He believed
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  Speaker 5: because there was something, something that was beyond his knowledge.
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  Speaker 5: In the Bible there are miracles. Belshazzar feasted with a
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  Speaker 5: thousand nobles, and a hand appeared and wrote on the wall, Mene, Mene, Tekel, Eupharsin.
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  Speaker 5: And in that night was Belshazzar, the king of the Chaldeans, slain.
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  Speaker 5: Pharaoh dreamed a dream of seven fat years and seven
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  Speaker 5: lean years. Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, slept and saw a
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  Speaker 5: vision of himself humbled as unto the beasts of the field.
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  Speaker 5: What are these dreams, these visions?
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  Speaker 9: To be exact, sir, they're phenomena that come under the
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  Speaker 9: heading of precognition. That is to say, the knowing of
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  Speaker 9: an event before it actually happens.
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  Speaker 5: Well, now, just a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Mr.
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  Speaker 5: Donovan.
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  Speaker 8: At times, you know, science finds it difficult to accept
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  Speaker 8: biblical stories as literal fact. They are very effective, yes,
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  Speaker 8: as literature. But we can't possibly prove that these things
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  Speaker 8: actually did occur.
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  Speaker 2: Nor can we prove that they did not, sir.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, well, all right, now we're quibbling.
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  Speaker 2: How about some modern examples?
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  Speaker 5: Would you accept them? That depends on the quality of
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  Speaker 5: the evidence.
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  Speaker 8: We all know that certain people are given to telling
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  Speaker 8: some very remarkable things, which are either pure imagination or
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  Speaker 8: events that have been poorly observed and wrongly interpreted.
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  Speaker 1: Mr.
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  Speaker 9: Dobkin, I doubt if you would charge fraud or mistake
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  Speaker 9: in the two cases I'm proposing.
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  Speaker 2: They're both a matter of public record.
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  Speaker 5: Mr.
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  Speaker 2: McIntyre, would you please?
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  Speaker 5: With pleasure. Case number two, which might be called precognition.
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  Speaker 5: The year was 1858. The Mississippi Riverboat, Pennsylvania, was laying
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  Speaker 5: over at St.
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  Speaker 4: Louis.
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  Speaker 5: Among the crew were Henry Clemens and his older brother Sam,
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  Speaker 5: Samuel Clemens, who would one day write his way to
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  Speaker 5: fame under the pen name of Mark Twain. While the
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  Speaker 5: steamboat loaded cargo, Sam went ashore to stay overnight at
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  Speaker 5: the home of his sister, Pamela. Early the following morning,
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  Speaker 5: Pamela was awakened by a noise downstairs and a voice. Henry! Henry!
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  Speaker 5: Pamela reached for her rope and hurried downstairs.
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  Speaker 3: Henry!
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  Speaker 5: She entered the sitting room and found her brother Samuel
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  Speaker 5: staring wildly about. Sam, what are you doing up at
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  Speaker 5: this hour?
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  Speaker 3: It seems so, so real.
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  Speaker 11: What?
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  Speaker 2: I was so sure of it, I jumped out of
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  Speaker 2: bed and came down to look at him.
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  Speaker 7: Sam.
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  Speaker 2: When he wasn't here, I thought they'd moved him.
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  Speaker 3: Who, Sam? Moved who? Henry.
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  Speaker 2: He was dead.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, Sam, you were just having another one of your nightmares.
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  Speaker 3: It was as real as you are, Pamela.
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  Speaker 7: I saw Henry stretched out here in this sitting room.
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  Speaker 2: He was in a metal coffin.
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  Speaker 7: There was a bouquet on his chest.
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  Speaker 5: White flowers.
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  Speaker 7: All white.
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  Speaker 2: Except for one red rose in the center.
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  Speaker 3: It was so vivid.
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  Speaker 5: Sam, it was just a dream.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: A few weeks later, on June 13th, 60 miles below Memphis,
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  Speaker 5: the boilers of the steamboat Pennsylvania exploded. Among the 160
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  Speaker 5: dead was Henry Clement. In a Memphis warehouse, the victims
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  Speaker 5: were laid out in a long line of wooden coffins.
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  Speaker 5: There was but one metal coffin. Samuel Clemens stood beside
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  Speaker 5: it and gazed down at his brother's body. On the
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  Speaker 5: chest was a bouquet of white flowers, all white, except
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  Speaker 5: for one red rose in the center. Case number three.
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  Speaker 5: Seven years later, in the second week of April, 1865,
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  Speaker 5: Another man dreamed a dream.
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  Speaker 7: Afterward, he told it to his wife and to his
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  Speaker 7: best friend.
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  Speaker 11: There seemed to be a death-like stillness about me. Then
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  Speaker 11: I heard subdued sobs, as if a number of people
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  Speaker 11: were weeping. I thought I left my bed and wandered downstairs.
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  Speaker 11: I went from room to room, No living person was
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  Speaker 11: in sight, but the same mournful sounds of distress met
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  Speaker 11: me as I passed along. I was both puzzled and alarmed.
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  Speaker 5: I kept on until I arrived at the east room.
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  Speaker 11: There before me was a cattle falc on which rested
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  Speaker 11: a corpse wrapped in funeral vestments.
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  Speaker 5: Around it a.
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  Speaker 11: Throng of people, some gazing mournfully upon the corpse, others
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  Speaker 11: weeping pitifully. I asked one of the soldiers there, who
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  Speaker 11: is dead in the White House? The president, he said,
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  Speaker 11: he was killed by an assassin.
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  Speaker 5: That same week, in April, the man who dreamed that dream,
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  Speaker 5: Abraham Lincoln, attended a play at Ford's Theatre. Later, his
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  Speaker 5: body lay in state in the East Room.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Well, gentlemen?
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  Speaker 9: Well, first I'd like to ask Mr. Dabkin if he
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  Speaker 9: questions the validity of those two dreams.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, Mr. Thorson.
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  Speaker 8: I accept them as correct statements of actual events.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: But now, tell me, have you never had a dream
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  Speaker 5: of dying or falling downstairs... Being an auto accident? Oh,
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  Speaker 5: I imagine I have, yes. I know I have.
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  Speaker 8: Well, let's suppose that everybody in the United States has
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  Speaker 8: had at least one dream of.
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  Speaker 5: Accident or disaster. That's 165 million dreams.
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  Speaker 8: Now, the simple law of averages guarantees that some of
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  Speaker 8: those dreams will come true.
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  Speaker 9: I think this is a good time to quote Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Sigmund Freud.
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  Speaker 9: He said, if one regards oneself as a skeptic... It
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  Speaker 9: is well from time to time to be skeptical about
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  Speaker 9: one's skepticism. And on clairvoyant dreams, he said, Just a minute, Mr. McIntyre,
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  Speaker 9: would you oblige me again?
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  Speaker 5: Certainly. In Vienna in 1925, Dr. Sigmund Freud, the great
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  Speaker 5: pioneer in the science of psychoanalysis, had this to say.
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  Speaker 12: If there are such things as telepathic messages, the possibility
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  Speaker 12: cannot be dismissed of their reaching someone during sleep. The
• 18:14
  Speaker 12: further possibility arises that telepathic messages received in the course
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  Speaker 12: of the day may only be dealt with during a
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  Speaker 12: dream of the following night.
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  Speaker 9: I hope you paid particular attention to that last part, Mr.
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  Speaker 7: Dodkin.
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  Speaker 9: There is a possibility that telepathic messages might come to
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  Speaker 9: a person only in a dream.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I got that point.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 9: Doesn't that suggest something to you? At the very time
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  Speaker 9: of President Lincoln's dream, John Wilkes Booth was planning his assassination.
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  Speaker 9: Using Freud's theory, Lincoln might have picked up Booth's murderous
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  Speaker 9: thoughts by telepathy.
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  Speaker 2: Therefore, the dream.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's a startling idea, certainly, but again, there's.
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  Speaker 9: No possible proof. The world is filled with things difficult
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  Speaker 9: to prove. Their mere existences are proof. We scientists have
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  Speaker 9: spent centuries studying the animal world. And what do we
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  Speaker 9: come up with?
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  Speaker 2: Mystery.
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  Speaker 7: Item.
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  Speaker 5: The homing pigeon.
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  Speaker 3: The homing pigeon can find its way back to its
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: home loft over distances up to 100 miles. In some cases,
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  Speaker 3: the distance is approached 1,000 miles. Means by which the
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  Speaker 3: bird determines latitude, longitude, curvature of the earth are known.
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  Speaker 2: Item, household pets.
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  Speaker 11: Dogs and cats have been separated from their owner and
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  Speaker 11: have returned on foot over distances of many hundreds of miles. Bobby,
• 19:31
  Speaker 11: a collie, travels almost 2,000 miles between the states of
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  Speaker 11: Indiana and Oregon.
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  Speaker 3: Means of determining direction... Unknown.
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  Speaker 5: Item, the European eel.
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  Speaker 4: The European eel swims from inland rivers into the Atlantic,
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  Speaker 4: makes its way 2 000 miles to a deep off
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  Speaker 4: the west indies there it spawns and.
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  Speaker 5: Dies the baby eels born off the west.
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  Speaker 4: Indies return across the atlantic and ascend the same rivers
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  Speaker 4: from which their parents had come years before method of
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  Speaker 4: finding their way unknown.
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  Speaker 5: Well, this is all very interesting, Mr.
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  Speaker 8: Thorson, but these are things that we call instinct.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and what is instinct? Can science explain it?
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  Speaker 9: Well, we're investigating it. And we still don't know. I
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  Speaker 9: say that instinct includes clairvoyance and telepathy at work.
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  Speaker 5: At an animal level. Yes, but that is simply argument.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Mr. McIntyre, may we have the case of Lady the
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  Speaker 2: Wonder Horse?
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  Speaker 5: Certainly. Case number four. An example of clairvoyance, as told
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  Speaker 5: by Mr. Stuart Wyatt.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it was back in the fall of 1950, late October.
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  Speaker 6: My wife Nancy and our 12-year-old boy Billy and I
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  Speaker 6: went up to spend a weekend at our mountain cabin.
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  Speaker 7: This was back in eastern Tennessee on the shore of
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  Speaker 7: a small lake.
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  Speaker 6: Late Saturday afternoon, Billy went.
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  Speaker 3: Out in the sailboat.
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  Speaker 5: I told him not to because it looked like.
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  Speaker 7: There was a storm blowing up, but, well, you know
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  Speaker 7: how kids are.
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  Speaker 6: Anyway, the wind kept getting stronger and stronger.
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  Speaker 7: Nancy and I got worried. We saw Billy trying to
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: take in sail, but he couldn't do.
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  Speaker 5: It fast enough. Then the mast broke and the boat capsized.
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  Speaker 7: I swam out to the wreckage, but there was no
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: sign of Billy.
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  Speaker 6: So we telephoned the nearest forest ranger station and they
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: sent over a couple of men with a search boat.
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  Speaker 7: They couldn't find anything either. That night in the pouring.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: Rain, we had over 200 volunteers combing the woods and
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: the shore.
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  Speaker 7: They even brought in bloodhounds.
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  Speaker 6: After two days of this, the Chief Ranger Anderson was
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: pretty discouraged.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we've dragged the lake three times, Mr. Wyatt, and
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: still nothing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm afraid the body must be caught under the ledge
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: or something where our equipment can't reach it.
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  Speaker 5: Looks like there's nothing more we can do.
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  Speaker 7: I told that to my wife. It's a funny thing, Mr. McIntyre.
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: She just suddenly stopped crying. She said, all right, now
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: it's time.
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  Speaker 6: To try that horse she'd read about. It's supposed to
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: be able to find missing children, and its name was
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: Lady McIntyre. I told her it was ridiculous, but, well,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: we'd tried everything else.
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  Speaker 5: The horse which Mrs. Wyatt had read about is Lady,
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  Speaker 5: owned by Mrs.
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  Speaker 3: C.D.
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  Speaker 7: Fonda of Richmond, Virginia.
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  Speaker 5: Mr.
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  Speaker 3: And Mrs.
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  Speaker 5: Wyatt found the 25-year-old mare waiting for them in her barn.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: In front of her was a strange contrivance of levers
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: and wooden blocks with letters of the alphabet and numbers
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: running from one to ten. Following instructions, the Wyatts asked
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: the lady a test question. Lady, tell me, what was
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: my maiden name? The horse moved toward one of the levers.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: She pressed her nose against the lever and a block
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  Speaker 5: with the letter L came into view. L. E. E.
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  Speaker 5: That's right, Lee, Nancy Lee.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, this is impossible. Nobody around here knows your maiden name.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Lady does.
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  Speaker 5: Well... Lady, is my son Billy alive? Lady? A. M. I.
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  Speaker 7: Lady, Lady, where is Billy?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Lady, where is Billy?
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Lady? A, B, C.
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  Speaker 5: He's in a cave.
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  Speaker 4: Mr. and Mrs.
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  Speaker 5: Wyatt telephoned from Richmond to Chief Ranger Anderson back in Tennessee.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: They told him to search for a cave. The following
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: is from the official report of Ranger Anderson.
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  Speaker 4: The Wyatt boy was found in a small cave approximately
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: one and one quarter miles northeast of the lake.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: He was unconscious. Dr.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Warner gave him a blood transfusion and he was removed
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: to the hospital. When I was able to question him,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: the white boy stated these circumstances. After the sailboat capsized
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: and sank, he swam to the nearest shore. While attempting
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: to return home through the woods, he stumbled into an
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: animal trap. The trap broke his left leg and he
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: began to lose blood. In a state of fright and confusion...
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: He then began to crawl in a direction away from
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: the lake. He discovered the cave and decided to stay
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: there until the rainstorm was over. Sometime during the night,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: he lost consciousness. He remembered nothing more until reviving in
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: the hospital. He was discharged therefrom on October 28th, fully recovered.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Cases similar to that of the Wyatt boy in which
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: the horse lady has guided searches to the recovery of
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: the bodies of missing children may be read in Newsweek magazine.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: The issues of October 25th, 1948, December 22nd, 1952, and
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: February 16th, 1953. In Time magazine, issue of December 15th, 1952.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: In Life magazine, issue of December 22nd, 1952. And in
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Popular Mechanics magazine, issue of March, 1952. Yes, the dramatization
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: you just heard was a composite of several such actual cases.
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  Speaker 10: Item.
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  Speaker 5: Emanuel Swedenborg.
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  Speaker 3: Emanuel Swedenborg, scientist and philosopher in September 1759, saw in
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: a waking dream a disastrous fire which was burning at
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: that very moment in the city of Stockholm, 50 miles away.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: He specified the houses which were then in flames and
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: gave the correct hour at which the fire was extinguished.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Item.
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  Speaker 5: Leo Tolstoy.
• 25:33
  Speaker 11: In 1910, Count Leo Tolstoy, famous author, sent a message
• 25:37
  Speaker 11: to the Tsar of Russia, the German Kaiser, and the
• 25:40
  Speaker 11: King of England, in which he described his dream of
• 25:44
  Speaker 11: World War I, four years before it occurred. He stated
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: when the war would begin, where it would be, outlined
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: its horrors, foresaw the League of Nations.
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  Speaker 5: And now, gentlemen, any questions? You, Mr.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Thorson?
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  Speaker 2: I rest my case.
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  Speaker 5: You, Mr. Doutkin? I rest my case. Weighty lines. Star.
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  Speaker 7: Circle.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: A girl sits at a table and draws cards from
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: an automatic shuffling machine.
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  Speaker 7: Circle.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: By the mathematical laws of chance, she should correctly identify,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: without looking at the cards, five out.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Of every 25 drawn.
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  Speaker 4: Cross.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: This girl has scored as high as 9 and 15
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: cards consecutively correct.
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  Speaker 3: Star.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: In one such experiment, the score has exceeded the laws
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: of chance by odds of 400,000 to 1. Star. In
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: still other cases, the odds have risen to the astronomical
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: ratio of 1 trillion and 1 quadrillion to 1. Six.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: In laboratories and universities throughout the United States and Europe
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: and South Africa, the research goes on. New light is
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: being shed on the phenomena of telepathy and clairvoyance. The
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: day may be not far distant when science will establish
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: the principles of extrasensory perception and its operation as firmly
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: as the laws which govern nuclear fission. The ideas advanced
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: by Professor Sigmund Freud and by other investigators may yet
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: be proven fact. That long before man's first crude stammering,
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: long before he first chiseled his ideographs into stone, man
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: communicated to fellow man through thought. Tonight, the CBS Radio
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: Workshop has presented Report on ESP, directed by Jack Johnstone.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Research and script by Leonard St. Clair. John McIntyre was
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: the narrator. The cast included Lucille Meredith, Lillian Biaffe, Don Diamond,
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Lawrence Dobkin, Russell Thorson, Stacey Harris, Robert Ballin, Forrest Lewis,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Sam Edwards, Raymond Burr, and Bert Holland. Original music for
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: tonight's program was composed and conducted by Amarigo Marino, with
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: vocal by Norma Zimmer. The CBS Radio Workshop is produced
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: in Hollywood by William Froog. This is Hugh Douglas inviting
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: you to join us again next week when we present
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Cops and Robbers, a unique experiment in which real-life detectives
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: use actual police methods to solve a fictional crime. Presented
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: on the CBS Radio Workshop. On the New York Philharmonic
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Symphony broadcast, presented by most of these same stations this Sunday,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: you'll hear the second of two all-Mozart programs. Bruno Walter
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: will conduct the Mozart Symphony No. 25 in G major,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: and then will present the rarely performed Mozart Requiem. That's
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: this Sunday on CBS Radio.
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  Speaker 2: Star.
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  Speaker 4: Star.
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  Speaker 3: Star.
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  Speaker 5: Stay tuned for five minutes of CBS News to be
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: followed on most of these stations by The Jack Carson Show. Five.
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  Speaker 3: Five. Eleven.
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  Speaker 10: Nine. Nine.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: CBS Radio Workshop has concluded. Report on ESP. Good night,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us for this broadcast.