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Patriots Unfiltered 6/29: DeVante Parker's Reported Contract Extension, Projecting the Roster, 19-0 Great Debate · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: Is it an off season show, Well, it's a it's
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  Speaker 5: not a skeleton crew. Today we got Alex, got Matista,
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  Speaker 5: we got Paul, and you got me Evan in the
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how I feel about this, yet I
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  Speaker 4: feel great about it.
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  Speaker 2: Evan actually has the facilitate conversation.
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  Speaker 5: I can't just take over conversations, so I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 5: to I'm gonna have to allow you guys to do
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  Speaker 5: the talking today. But I feel like the Patriots did
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  Speaker 5: us a service by making this news last night with
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  Speaker 5: Devonte Parker's contract extension, because now we have something to
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  Speaker 5: talk about that is that isn't Jaws in traffic and
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  Speaker 5: you know, Boston stop lights, and we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 5: We'll get to that. But there's a lot to talk
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  Speaker 5: about here with with Devonte Parker. I think, just in itself,
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  Speaker 5: Devontae Parker as a player that looks like he's going
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  Speaker 5: to stick around for a couple of years, what this
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  Speaker 5: means for the offense currently, the current makeup of the roster,
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  Speaker 5: and then obviously the effects that it has potentially or
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  Speaker 5: not on on DeAndre Hopkins and the sweepstakes for DeAndre Hopkins.
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  Speaker 5: It does sound like from various reports in Rapaport, Mike
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  Speaker 5: Reeese coming out and saying that they don't feel like
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  Speaker 5: this is connected to DeAndre Hopkins. I have some doubts
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  Speaker 5: about that, maybe a little bit, But I'm curious to
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  Speaker 5: get your guys' opinion just on Devonte Parker in this
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  Speaker 5: extension why. I think it's a lot of the question
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  Speaker 5: for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 4: It's interesting and we should just sort of give some
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  Speaker 4: nuts and bolts. Ian Rapaport NFL network was the one
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  Speaker 4: I first saw yesterday. I think he's been credited with
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  Speaker 4: quote unquote breaking it three years thirty three million, which
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  Speaker 4: is not really overly relevant. It's, you know, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of fluff. He used a phrase, and we'll get to
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  Speaker 4: this later, but he used a phrase about guaranteed money
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  Speaker 4: that I thought was very ambiguous. Fourteen million in guarantees
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  Speaker 4: and roster bonuses, which aren't the same thing. So I
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  Speaker 4: think the bottom I just wanted to get, like the
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  Speaker 4: nuts and bolts of the contract extension. We can talk
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  Speaker 4: about that after us. But in regards to Hopkins specifically,
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  Speaker 4: as you brought up, Evan, this might sound weird. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think it has anything to do with it financially,
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  Speaker 4: but I do think it might have something to do
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  Speaker 4: with it just in player acquisition wise. I think it
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  Speaker 4: might be small, but I think the chances of signing
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  Speaker 4: Hopkins are a little less today, I feel in my
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  Speaker 4: mind than they were, you know on Tuesday when we
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  Speaker 4: talked about it.
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  Speaker 3: Push it more towards Cooks maybe Cook sorry Cook, No, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: not in fact it at all.
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't. I don't think that this stuff is
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  Speaker 4: related in general. I don't. But I'm still gonna take
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  Speaker 4: Hopkins at his word, which and I'm saying, here's word
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  Speaker 4: everybody keeps writing. Put Yeah, he's he's waiting it out.
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  Speaker 4: He's gonna wait till training camp. I take that as
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  Speaker 4: his word. I don't. I think he's probably trying to
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  Speaker 4: drum up, you know, a little bit more money, a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more interest. I know, wait till training camp.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's probably the way it will unfold.
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  Speaker 5: Alex, I feel like.
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  Speaker 6: That was always, yeah, the way it was going to unfold. Initially,
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  Speaker 6: when I saw the report, I was like, Okay, are
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  Speaker 6: they may be moving money around because Davante or because
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  Speaker 6: Hopkins does want to Wait? Maybe is DeVante kind of
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. There's probably a lot of egos in
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  Speaker 6: the wide receiver room right now that have been hurt
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  Speaker 6: over the last year into this off season. So was
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  Speaker 6: there a situation where it was like, Hey, I don't
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  Speaker 6: feel loved right now.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's a big part of it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know, but I think I hope that
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  Speaker 6: I hope that Parker really has a year this year
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  Speaker 6: where we can kind of see what his potential is.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like there was so many times.
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  Speaker 6: Last year where he'd make a really big play and
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  Speaker 6: then the O line would be off sides or something
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  Speaker 6: and it'd get called back.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously him being healthy is the biggest thing. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't really know what to make of this situation.
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  Speaker 3: You saw some not reports, but on Twitter he was
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  Speaker 3: kind of the odd man out if Hopkins came in.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's just like him in for the year,
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  Speaker 3: not on this show, not fair. But then you also
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  Speaker 3: saw the training camp, not training camp, mini camp press conference.
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  Speaker 3: He was kind of like quiet on the whole Hopkins situation.
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  Speaker 3: So he's a.
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  Speaker 2: Quiet guy in Salty. He's really hard to read. He's
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  Speaker 2: really hard to read. I think he's really shy. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's a good guy, but I think he's shy.
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  Speaker 3: But that being said, I think it locks him in
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  Speaker 3: for the year. You don't really need he doesn't need
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  Speaker 3: to worry about that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my biggest takeaway from the Parker angle
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  Speaker 5: is just all this tells me is that he's not
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  Speaker 5: going to be the odd man out if they do
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  Speaker 5: sign DeAndre Hopkins. He's going to be here. He's going
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  Speaker 5: to be in the offense. He's going to be involved.
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  Speaker 5: And I think on the surface, just on a on
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  Speaker 5: a micro level, I don't mind the contract and I
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  Speaker 5: don't mind the player. I think he's a productive player
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  Speaker 5: when he's out there. Paul, you might not like this,
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  Speaker 5: but the nerds love him, the analytics love him.
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  Speaker 4: Some of the nerds love him.
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  Speaker 5: Warren Sharp doesn't like him, and we can get to.
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  Speaker 4: That discriminatory against the nerds. Let's them all.
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  Speaker 5: He's he's a different kind of nerd to me. Analytically,
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  Speaker 5: he's an efficient player. You know, seventeen point four yards
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  Speaker 5: per catch, eleven and a half yards per target, doesn't
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  Speaker 5: drop very many passes. There's a lot of things that
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  Speaker 5: he did very well last year. Granted, in only forty
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  Speaker 5: seven targets, he actually converted more of his targets into
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  Speaker 5: explosive plays twenty plus yard plays than any receiver in
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  Speaker 5: the league. Now, guys like Jayalen Watt'll get targeted one
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  Speaker 5: hundred and twenty times and he only gets targeted forty seven,
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  Speaker 5: So the sample size a little bit different. But I
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  Speaker 5: think Devontae Parker as a player is a useful solid
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  Speaker 5: piece when he is out there and he's getting the
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  Speaker 5: ball throw in his direction and things like that. With
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  Speaker 5: that being said, my big picture concern about it and
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  Speaker 5: why I can't love this move is it's another thing
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  Speaker 5: that tells me that this is the tax bracket that
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  Speaker 5: this team is going to operate at the wide receiver position.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to be Juju Smith Schusters, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 5: Devonte Parker's, It's gonna be Kendrick Bourne, who's another guy
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  Speaker 5: that's in that mid level contract status. And every once
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  Speaker 5: in a while they might throw a fiftieth overall pick
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  Speaker 5: at the position to get a youth and get some
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  Speaker 5: young talent in there. But they are never going to
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  Speaker 5: be a team that's going to overextend for a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 4: You guys feel about it's just curious.
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  Speaker 6: I think that I feel kind of similarly to you.
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  Speaker 6: But I think that Hopkins might be outlier here just
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  Speaker 6: on the affinity that they have for each other.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I can be.
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  Speaker 5: Proven wrong easily. If they signed DeAndre Hopkins next week,
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  Speaker 5: I will ecro that maybe they're changing. But I also
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  Speaker 5: need to see the money on Hopkins, because if they
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  Speaker 5: get him at a discount because of the situation in
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  Speaker 5: the circumstances of his release and everything, then it's still not.
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  Speaker 5: It's still not, you know, changing philosophy, and their philosophy
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  Speaker 5: they're spending model at that position tells me that they
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  Speaker 5: don't want to over extend for a wide receiver. They're
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  Speaker 5: never gonna pay the big diva wide out and you're
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  Speaker 5: gonna get by. They think they can get by with
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  Speaker 5: this type of group, And I just don't necessarily think
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  Speaker 5: that that's the way the league is trending or the
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  Speaker 5: way the position is trending.
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  Speaker 3: When Parker's on, I think he's an above average receiver,
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  Speaker 3: like he saw flashes of it last season. But if
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  Speaker 3: you're paying a receiver in his thirties, I'd rather paid Hopkins.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, and I mean, I'm gonna get to the
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  Speaker 4: nerd stuff later because I'm curious all in all honesty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm curious on some of the different numbers, which ones,
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  Speaker 4: because you know, I'm not as much into the metrics
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  Speaker 4: as you are, Evan, I'm curious to which ones are
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  Speaker 4: more important than others. But a couple of things on this, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he's he's thirty years old. I think it's sort of
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  Speaker 4: been portrayed as a pay cut disguised as an extension.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really think that that's the case. I think
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  Speaker 4: he's going to end up getting more money than he
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  Speaker 4: was due, certainly more upfront. And mind now, we all
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  Speaker 4: know that when you do these extensions, typically the base
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  Speaker 4: salary in the first year goes down, which opens up
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  Speaker 4: some cap space. His base number was something like five
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  Speaker 4: point seven. He's probably going to have to be on
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  Speaker 4: the field to get five point seven, but as a
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  Speaker 4: chance to get more than that, so obviously you want
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  Speaker 4: him to be on the field, right, So it's not like, well, jeez,
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  Speaker 4: we can keep that under five points set. Well, that's
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  Speaker 4: not good if you kept it under five point seven.
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  Speaker 4: But the thing that I don't like about the the
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  Speaker 4: extension the most is is it signing off on future
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  Speaker 4: DeVante Parker years? Like I can't imagine that he's not
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  Speaker 4: part of the equation and at least in twenty four. Now,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know is this a true extension, Like is
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  Speaker 4: it four, five and six or is it the first
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  Speaker 4: year was sort of ripped up in this year, only
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  Speaker 4: two more years so he signed They usually do, so
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't love the idea. And Alex, you're
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  Speaker 4: gonna get this analogy because you're so Celtic centric. It's
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  Speaker 4: to me, to.
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  Speaker 2: Me kidding, I'm gonna that's the second hour.
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  Speaker 4: There's no chance I'm gonna let that one go. But anyway,
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  Speaker 4: the bridges, remember the bridges for the Celtics, the Jay Crowders, Isaiah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, yes, DeVante Parker should be a bridgie. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he's a bridgie. Receiver. He's not a stiff. This guy's
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  Speaker 4: the fourteenth overall pick in the draft in twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 4: I absolutely loved him coming out of Louisville for Miami.
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  Speaker 4: He's never really panned out to be that. Right, He's
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  Speaker 4: not a bust, but he's not a star either and
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  Speaker 4: has never been one of the better receivers in football.
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  Speaker 4: He's never been healthy and oh, by the way, he
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  Speaker 4: wasn't healthy last year when he missed four games and
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  Speaker 4: really missed six games because there was two that he
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  Speaker 4: barely even played in. So he's the kind of guy
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  Speaker 4: that you plug in and we're a little bit weak
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  Speaker 4: at receiver. He can give us something until we can
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  Speaker 4: get what Evan wants, you know, the stud But my
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  Speaker 4: concern now, this is to me putting off like addressing
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  Speaker 4: the position, and.
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  Speaker 5: To me, that's my concern. My concern is that and
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  Speaker 5: this is kind of across the board, honestly, in a
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  Speaker 5: lot of positions with the team, but especially on offense,
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  Speaker 5: they just like seem to be content with fine Like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: he's a fine player, he plays a role. I think
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  Speaker 5: that a big part of it is what Alex was
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  Speaker 5: talking about a little bit early that this is a
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  Speaker 5: guy that's put his head down, that's worked hard, that's
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  Speaker 5: played ball. He hasn't spoken out in the media. He
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  Speaker 5: wasn't one of those guys last year in the locker
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  Speaker 5: room that was ripping the coaching staff. It's just the
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  Speaker 5: TWI yeah, doing all that kind of stuff. And they
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  Speaker 5: took care of one of those guys. But are they content,
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  Speaker 5: like are they okay? Like do they feel that they're
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  Speaker 5: fine at wide receiver? Because just for what it's worth,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Bill Barnwell did his annual supporting cast. They
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  Speaker 5: were twenty sixth in the league in weapons right playmakers
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  Speaker 5: around the quarterback. PFF did it a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 5: They were twenty ninth in their rankings. So I think
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  Speaker 5: they are a little bit better than that maybe, but
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  Speaker 5: I'm not. I don't think that their world's better. I
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  Speaker 5: think that they're right in that twenty to twenty five
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  Speaker 5: range probably. And where is the where's the needle mover?
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  Speaker 7: Like?
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  Speaker 5: Where where's a difference maker in this group? And if
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  Speaker 5: you're committed to Devonte Parker for let's call it a year,
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  Speaker 5: maybe two, and you're committed to Juji Smith Schuster for
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  Speaker 5: a year or two like, there's not a whole, there's
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  Speaker 5: not a lot of other targets to go around, there's
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  Speaker 5: not a lot of snaps to go around, and you
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  Speaker 5: still have the two tight ends that you want to
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  Speaker 5: incorporate too. I think this means less chance of DeAndre Hopkins.
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  Speaker 5: It probably means less opportunity for Taekwon Thornton.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I want to get to that as step two. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: And this is Paul is quote unquote worried about everything.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we talked about this on Tuesday, and I
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  Speaker 4: do I have. I grew up in New England, and
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  Speaker 4: unlike you young folk, I didn't grow up with nothing
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  Speaker 4: but championships.
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  Speaker 2: I had a lot of five years of my left
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  Speaker 2: no chance.
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  Speaker 4: I hate you. I had a lot of time where
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  Speaker 4: my team consistently fell short. So I'm always thinking in
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  Speaker 4: those terms, like I could prevent us from when like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, how can something go because I, you know,
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  Speaker 4: my first thirty five years, they were always coming up short.
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  Speaker 4: So what I worry about is does this mean they
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  Speaker 4: don't love Taekwon Thoughton? Yeah, they haven't seen that big
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  Speaker 4: year two sort of progression lesser but still sort of
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  Speaker 4: part of this equation. Do they see nothing of the
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  Speaker 4: two sixth round picks. You know, Booty and Douglas. You know,
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  Speaker 4: if you're looking to get I saw a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people write, well, they only had somebody wrote and I
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  Speaker 4: thought this was an odd phraseology they only had one
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  Speaker 4: veteran receiver signed next year Juju. Well, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: why Taekwon Thornton doesn't count as a veteran receiver. Sign
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  Speaker 4: like going into year three, you're a veteran receiver, which
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  Speaker 4: was what Thornton would be in twenty four. Like that's
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  Speaker 4: not like you like you take a guy in the
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  Speaker 4: second round in his third year, You're you're not anticipating
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  Speaker 4: him being a big part of your passing game. That's
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  Speaker 4: what I worry about it, right, and I worry about
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  Speaker 4: things that haven't happened yet that I know.
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  Speaker 5: I'm worrying about the same thing because when you look
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  Speaker 5: at it, where this Like where are the targets and
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  Speaker 5: the opportunities for Taekwon Thornton? And the only way that
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  Speaker 5: players like him that are raw, you know, physical specimens
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  Speaker 5: with great speed. Those guys need to just play like that.
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  Speaker 5: You don't, you don't develop in any other way besides
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  Speaker 5: just playing. And now Taekwon realistically is your third receiver
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  Speaker 5: because you paid Juju, you paid Devonte Parker. You're gonna
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  Speaker 5: have those two guys out there. And now if Hopkins
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  Speaker 5: comes into the mix too, now he's your fourth receiver
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  Speaker 5: and he's demoted to the bench permanently for the entire
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  Speaker 5: year pretty much. So I again, but my whole thing
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  Speaker 5: with it, I don't mind DeVante Parker as a player.
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  Speaker 5: What I mind is is there their evaluation and sort
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  Speaker 5: of how they treat the position as a whole.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't mind Parker as a player either. I
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  Speaker 4: think he's he's fine. I just would think that you
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't necessarily be looking to extend him. Yeah, And I
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  Speaker 4: think that he was extended because of what you guys
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  Speaker 4: were talking about, you know, instead of bitching about Matt
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  Speaker 4: Patricia last year. He didn't really have anything to say
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  Speaker 4: about that. And you know, I think he did express
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of you know, I don't know, discontent.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what the right word. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: he was pissed, but he was a little salty when
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  Speaker 4: talking about Hopkins, and maybe this was an olive branch
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  Speaker 4: to him. Like, you know, we still think a lot
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: of you. I know that Bill last summer, I know
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: that he was very high on what Parker might be
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: able to bring to the offense. But I don't really
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: think he brought that to the offense. I think he
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: was fine. I think he was okay, But I don't
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: think he was anything that you would go out of
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: your way to try to extend. I just thought it
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: was an odd move, not anything that's going to kill you.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: It's not big money or anything like that. Don't get
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: caught up into three years, thirty three million. That's paper money,
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: that's not real.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: It's odd to do it around this time though, when
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Hopkins is on the market. I guess that's a big
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: factor as well.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't think it has Like I'm kind
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: of with you guys on I think Hopkins could happen,
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: could still happen. I just wonder if they're sort of
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Bill doesn't like the idea of being left waiting around,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: you know, like, let us know what you're gonna do.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: We need to plan. You know, you don't dictate when
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: you come in. We dictate if we want you in.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: You know, one of those things. That's what I was
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: about with Hopkins.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: I also saw it is maybe partially Hopkins contingency plan,
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: Like we have a guy that we feel good about
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: playing on the outside, playing a similar role to Hopkins,
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: that if it doesn't come together, you know, we at
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: least we have DeVante Parker in the fold, and now
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: DeVante Parker is happy and not pissed off that we
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: try to go after and replace him with DeAndre Hopkins.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: But I think that's the other thing for me as
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: well that I wanted to ask the panel as I
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: facilitate here, is that you're.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Doing a great job. Thank you, good job facilitating.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: I do see a little bit of redundancy between Parker
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: and Hopkins and if they bring both, if they bring
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Hopkins in and they have retained Parker, obviously, how does
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: that look like? Like how does that work with having
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: a group that is pretty much similar across the board?
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Like and also Parker's outside and and yeah, and I
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: guess Hopkins is inside. But I don't really know. We
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: thought that Bourne might be a better candidate to go.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Certainly you and Mike especially felt like Bourne would be
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: more apt to go than Parker. But I mean, I
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: don't know, there is some redundancy today. I think there's
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: similar skill sets anyway.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I always thought that that Bourne was more. I
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: didn't want to think that. I didn't want to believe that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: But at some point, the things that Bourne says in
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: the media, in the way that he handles himself with
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: this organization, that's going to come back to bite you eventually. Like,
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: eventually that's going to be an issue. It was an
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: issue for him last year with not playing, but it
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: was going to be a bigger issue if it cantinued.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: And I thought that he had an opportunity in the
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: spring and in his media sessions and OTAs to put
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: that to bed and just kind of say, we're not
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: talking about, you know, we're onto this year.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: We're not talking about like sprinkle a little kerosene on it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: And he kind of did the opposite, right, right, And
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: so I have to imagine that it Bourne's comments in
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: the spring didn't necessarily go over well uh with the
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: people down the hall. I just feel like that had
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: to have finally been like, we're still doing this, We're
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: still going through the media.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: If they signed Hopkins, I wouldn't be surprised if Born goes, yeah,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: let's just put it that way.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: Well, then you're just even in a worse situation, well
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: not necessarily worse, but like the situation last year, it
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: was like all these receivers and where do repsk go?
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: Who's I mean, Aguilar was the easy guy to just
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: kind of put to the side, and then Kendrick obviously
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: didn't play a lot. But I don't know, it just
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: feels like we're in such a similar situation to last year,
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: and this is a contract year for MAC and it's
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: just like, what's the plan?
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's again. I think that there is a little
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: bit of a of a commitment to to mid right now.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: And again like don't don't mistake this conversation with We're
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: all like, what are they doing? This is gonna set
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: them bet No, No, It's just kind of one of
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: those moves that you wonder why it had to be made. Yeah,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: not that it's going to disrupt anything. I don't think
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: they sunk any real cap dollars that are guaranteed that
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: are going to hand. I don't think it's going to
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: prevent them from doing anything. It actually could help them
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: to do some stuff because it probably adds a little flexibility.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I just thought it was one of those odd things
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: that didn't necessarily need to be done.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Definitely did not expect that that news to break, And
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: I think, like a lot of people, when I saw
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Patriots and Wide Receiver, I thought it was a different
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: breaking needs.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I was driving home. I saw my buddy Evan
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Blizzar on our little slack chat. I got the port
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: up there and I was like, whoa, and I look
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, that's not what I was expecting.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I put my phone back down.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, our amazing social manager Neil called me slacked me.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: I think he texted me too, in the span of
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: like three minutes about having to get up a post
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: about Devanta Parker's extension.
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: That's because I put it in the social squad slack
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: and I realize you're not in the social square.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: I am actually in that slack. Oh, so don't worry.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: I saw it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: But it was funny because I have.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: I have alerts obviously on my phone for rap Sheet
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: and Schefter, so my phone goes off and if they
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: tweet anything, let you know, breaking news like that, I
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: was like, I got it, I got it. But yeah,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: it was it was definitely surprising to see that that
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: come down.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Last night.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: You mentioned we mentioned Hopkins a lot, you mentioned Dalvin
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: Cook a little bit.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook replied to a Pat McAfee video saying, I
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: don't have the audio here, but I believe they mentioned
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: he took a visit to the Dolphins, and then Dalvin
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Cook tweeted, I declined a visit just so you know
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: my guy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: So so he's going this is I'm very confused because he.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know what that means. I'm confused that was
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: what that means.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: So he declined the find a visit to the Dolphins, but.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: He also says this guy yesterday.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: The guy is Pat McAfee. O Pat McAfee clip. And
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: then he quote tweeted it saying I declined to.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Visit, okay, but he also in Miami. To be a
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: lot more clear, he also said yesterday.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: And then there was his agent did some did some
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: you know pr right, because Dalvin Cook treated something cryptic
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: about how he didn't meet with the team that was
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: being disgusted, everybody took it as Miami, and.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Then there any other kind of tweet from a player that's.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Not crypt right, And then and then all this came
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: out about him saying no, no, no, like he still
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: is open to playing for the Dolphins, and he didn't
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: turn down any visits. But now he's saying he did
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: turn out, So did he or did he not?
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: He said he said he declined a visit. Jeez, I
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: could have Matt listened to the video because I want
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: to play it over the air.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: But I got to be honest, I don't really have
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: a whole lot of interest in Dalvin Cook. As much
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: as I love the player, I.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Think it's complimentary. It's like when we talked about the draft,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: if the Pats took Jon Robbins.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: I think all that's going to do is make you
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: run the ball more, which makes you less relevant. I mean, iay, NFL.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: It's it's a bonus to have him, but I don't
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: think it's the end of the world. You don't get
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: him like he got Romondre Stevenson. You got the young guys.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it's implementary.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: The running back market is really fascinating, and I'm getting
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: to the point where it could be another Belichick zig
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: where everybody else's EAGs with the running backs. And that's
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: the only reason why I would leave the door slightly
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: a jar for maybe that.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying they won't want the receiver. You're taking
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: the running back, right, the main thing ever you want,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: you're not going to get.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: These veteran running backs. And I say, I mean Dalvin
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Cook's twenty seven. It's not like he's thirty three, right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: These guys can't get paid. You know, he's a free
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: agent for It's a free agent Zeke Elliot, it's a
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: free agent Kareem Hunt. Josh Jacobs is holding out on
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: the franchise, Saquon's holding out. So it's a it's an
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: epidemic right now with the running backs that that their
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: market value just isn't really there. And the only position
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: where the franchise tag is decreasing in value is running backs.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: It's going up exponentially across the board except for one position.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: And at some point does it become a bargain to
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: have Dalvin Cook at six million dollars for a guy
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: that's made four consecutive Pro Bowls, that's put up huge
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: numbers in Minnesota. That's why I don't rule it out,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: because I don't know if the market is necessarily there
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: for a guy like Dalvin Cook the way that you
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: would think it would be, given his his Cachet in
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: the league.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like I said, I don't dismiss
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: him getting signed. I just don't think it's a needle
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: mover if he does. I really don't like Hopkins. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: think if if Hopkins pans out and he remains that
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: one hundred catch guy, I think that could change your
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: offense a little bit. And I don't know how much
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: that catches you up to everybody else in the AFC,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: but it could change your offense. I think having another
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: good running back, Like I think Stevenson's pretty good, it's
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: I think Coke is better. He is probably more talented,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: certainly more of a home run threat I was, Yeah,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: more explosive. But I don't know how much better that
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: makes your offense. But you, so this is.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: A big thing, is do you trust what they have
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: behind Stevenson? You know, taking it now?
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: That's a totally fair point. But that's kind of like,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's coming in for like a million, right,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Like you want to give a guy like six eight
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: million to come in as insurance. I no, I wonder
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: if if you wanted to make it, if you just
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: wanted to make him the centerpiece of your offense then
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: I don't care. Yeah, if you just think that Coke
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: is so much better than Stevenson and you want to
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: ride with him, then you know me, I don't really
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: care about the money.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: I don't care about the money either. I think you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: similar to Parker and Hopkins, they can't play together. Like,
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: you're not gonna run two running back sets with part
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: with Stevenson and Cook on the field together, right, That doesn't.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: So if Stevenson gets hurt, then Cook make your team better. Yeah, Like,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: if Stevenson doesn't get hurt, I agree with you. They're
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: not going to play together. So how much better are you?
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Is it worth it to just to play Devil's advocate
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: because I am in the host chair? Is it worth
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: it to give one hundred and fifty carries to Remonderate
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: and one hundred and fifty carries to Dalvin Cook? And
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: they kind of have this one two punch where they're
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: trading series and trading off you know, situations and things
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: like that, and then by the end of the season
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: they're both still as close to one hundred percent as
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: they possibly could be.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: That would be the ideal situation, I would say, I agree, sir, sure.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Matisse wants Dalvin Cook.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: From Matista that I can't use on the age. It
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: starts with star and what's something you can't say because that's.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Because Matisa is a is a company man and he
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: realizes like I do that DeAndre Hopkins and Dalvin Cook
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: moves the needle.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: For us the web traffic.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, last year. Last year was the first time, like
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I would go to the bathroom when the paths were
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: on offense, Like I wasn't excited. There was nothing that
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I looked forward to on offense. Defensive was absolutely putrid.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And if we have Dalvin Cook DeAndre Hopkins, like something
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: will happen.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: So she's just like, we got to punch, so we
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: have a chance to score.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: No, but then Pollardi was punting, which to this.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: But as long as we were punting the ball, we
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: had a chance to.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Get There you go, There you go.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: But Marcus Jones on the field, Yeah, that's.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: It, Marcus Jones. Marcus he could be our backup running
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: back too.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: There you go. All right, Should we take some of
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: these calls eight five to five pats five hundred the
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: phone lines. We didn't have to ask for calls today, Paul,
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: the phone lines.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: There no we are, Yeah, definitely better off. It's you
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: a facilitation. I think I also know for a fact
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: how to do this. Oh, I know how to do it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: You have to do the other one.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: I know for a fact that when I hit uh,
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: you know the button here for Eldred to talk about
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: this DeVante Parker contract, that Eldred, I feel like you're
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: gonna have a pretty strong take on this, my man.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: What's up?
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: Hey?
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: Hey?
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: Doing everybody? Paul Alex? Uh, everybody's there? Hey? No, I
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: don't like that during move he's gonna pay a thirty
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: old thirty three billion, you know, Like I said, this
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: is typical Bill, and that's why I said. That's why
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: I said we would never have a Star wide receiver
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: as long as he's in the GM chair. I'm sorry.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: I just don't like some of his moves. Yeah, y'all
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: say he moved the needle a little bit, but no,
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: he don't. And what he said about Mac. I think
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: he don't like Mac, to be honest with you, because
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: he ain't doing nothing really trying to help him. Let
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: anybody else do. I think he's after last year, he
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: saw it because he got rid of one of his
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: top guys. And he's not doing nothing to help him. Man,
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: And that's my only take on it. I'm not a
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: big Mac fan, but least get a guy shot, you
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: know what I mean. Least give me a shot in Thornton.
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: I'm like you, Evan, I played run off the bat.
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: That's the one where he gets better with their speed.
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: Just can't sit there and coach him like that. You
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: gotta let him play. But Bill always liked start his veterans.
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: Didn't start a rookie or second your guy unless he
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: proves something. What do y'all think?
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you, Eligra, Thanks for the call. That's
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: sort of where I'm coming from from the from this
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: DeVante Parker extension is just it's another move to me
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: that tells me that they are not going to be
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: big investors in the wide wide receiver position. And you
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: can talk about it from any angle, whether it's cap space,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: whether it's draft capital, or a combination of the two.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: You we were walking down here Tis and I was talking,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: They're never gonna make that Tyreek Hill trade. They're never
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: gonna do something like that as long as Belichick's here.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: They're never gonna make the aj Brown trade. The Stefon
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Diggs trade like that's just they're not gonna do it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: And I think that is disappointing because the way the
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: rest of the league has has done things in recent years,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: that's what everybody else is doing, right. And you look
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: at I just take a small sample of the final
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: four teams last year. You have Kansas City, which has
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: the best quarterback in the game. They also have Travis Kelce.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: You have the Bengals, who we talked about last week
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: might have the best receiver room in football. You have
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: the forty nine ers on the other side who trade
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: for Christian McCaffrey in the middle of the season despite
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: already having George Kittle and Brandon night yuk and a
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: good supporting cast, and then obviously Philly with their two
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: headed monster at receiver. So the results are are starting
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: to turn to the point where the teams that are
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: winning are investing in that position big time. And maybe
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: twenty years ago that wasn't the case. You know, you
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: had teams that invested first round picks and a lot
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: of caps based on star receivers, and it kind of
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: went the other way where that was worth the investment.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Now I feel like it's really proven out over the
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: last couple of years that it is worth the investment.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: I just don't think that this team is ever gonna
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: change their philosophy of how they approach.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: It's almost like it's an arms race and they're choosing
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: to try to fight it defensively.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Well, it's just so frustrating because you see you mentioned
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: the Eagles, they get aj Brown, Like, look what that
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: did for Jalen Hurts, I mean Garrett Wilson, Like, yeah,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Zach Wilson's not that great, but a couple of games
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: he went off like you's got to get your quarterback
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: a young.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, I would say it was really significant for
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: with the Jets. The Jets like had no quarterback play
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: at all, and we're seven and four, yep, you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: and then ultimately they couldn't finish it off because at
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: some point you need your quarterback to be able to
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: complete some passes and they had guys that couldn't do it.
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: Now.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: So they ended up going seven to ten. But that
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: was because of everything around them, the defense, the receivers.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: You know, until Breeze Hall towards ACL they had a
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: good running game. That's they had some weapons on offense.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: They just didn't have a quarterback. Yeah.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: I think though we all agree that one of the
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: guys that Bill respects his opinion the most in this
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: whole football world is Nick Saban. And I keep going
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: back to Sabin, and this is in the college game,
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: so it's not apples to Apps. But this was almost
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: a decade ago now that Sabin gave that. I think
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: it was at a coaching clinic or a press conference
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: or something like that, where he said, good defense isn't
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: good enough anymore. You can't play win games seventeen to
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: fourteen at this level anymore. And Alabama completely changed not
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: only their offensive system, but they completely changed their recruiting philosophy.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: And all of a sudden, they have Jerry Judy and
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Jamison Williams and Jalen Waddle and DeVante Smith and John
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Metchi and Henry Ruggs and all these receivers coming through.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: They're recruiting Tua and Bryce Young, five star, you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: consensus top prospects out of high school at the quarterback position.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: And they completely reinvented themselves from the team that they
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: used to be to light up the scoreboard. And Belichick
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: so far, at least, has been pretty reluctant to adapt
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: and to change to that philosophy. And maybe in the
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: long run, and I look like an idiot, he ends
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: up being right, and they they win with defense and
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: ball control and you know, limiting turnovers offensively and good
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: special teams and complimentary football, and maybe they end up
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: winning like that. But that just hasn't been the track
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: record have had the last handful of seasons. I think
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: you can when some games like that. I don't think
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: you can win at all like that.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Not Now just comes a time where you're gonna play
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs of the world, right, and you know you
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: gotta stop them.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, you just look at the Super Bowl last year.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: I saw Jason Kelsey has been trying to talk up
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: Hurts because I guess Hurts took the loss pretty hard
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: in the Super Bowl, and Kelsey was like, you played
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: a great game. What are you talking about?
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: You're fine.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts had four hundred total yards and four touchdowns
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: in that game and lost.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, he played a great game. Yeah, And it
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: was a circumstantial kind of a loss, like the way
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: it kind of unfolded. The Chiefs made the plays in
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. But I don't see a lot of
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: you know, seventeen to fourteen kind of wins. You know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: you know, it can happen, like an individual game, it
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: can happen. And I know a lot of people like
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: it was just twenty eighteen, the Patriots won the Super
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Bowl thirteen to three, But they ignore the fact that
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: they scored you know, forty in the two playoff games
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: to get there.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I just feel like if you think you're gonna win
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: consistently over good teams that way, I think it's a
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: tough way to win, that's all. And I don't think
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think that you can play defense at that
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: level against good, good offenses. I think Saban's right. Yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: I think ultimately Saban is right. I think when you
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: play a good team, to expect to hold them under
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: twenty four is that's tough.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: You need a crazy windstorm, That's what.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, you know, Like, yeah, I mean there's gonna
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: be games that the other team's not gonna have, those
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: players aren't gonna be available. This is the way it
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: is in this league, you know. But like last year
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: even and I thought they were better defensively last year
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: than they were the previous year when they made the playoffs,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: but even last year when they played you know, relatively
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: competent quarterbacks, they had a hard time. And the probably
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: the best defensive performance, to your point, was you know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: kind of fluky. Was like the second half against Cincinnati
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: where they didn't allow a lot of points. I don't
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: know how. I really don't know how they didn't allow
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: a lot of points, but they didn't, and ultimately they
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: you know, they had a chance to win the game
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: because of it. But I mean, if you watch that
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: game and you see the numbers that Burrow put up
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: and the numbers that the receivers put up, and you're like,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: they had no answers really.
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: And that's just the perfect point to this, because as
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: good as the defense may have played in that second half,
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: the offense still lost the game for us.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: So it's like, right, right, But I'm saying, if you
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: could play defense like that against the top offenses like they,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: you know, like they didn't allow a lot of points
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: in the second half, if you could do that all
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: the time against good offenses, then your offense is gonna
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: be good enough for you to win games. You know, Traditionally,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I just don't think that you can count on holding
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: good offenses like that, Like the Bengals had almost five
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: hundred yards of offense in that game. I remember, I
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: don't know how they only had twenty two or whatever
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: points that at the end of the day. I don't
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: know how they only had that amount of points.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I remember pregame, somebody was I think it was Emma
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: was walking by Joe Burrow and he goes, I'm going
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: for three hundred to day he went for three seventy five,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: three touchdowns. Like, none of these star quarterbacks are worried
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: about this defense at all last year.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I don't think that any of these
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: star quarterbacks are worried about any defense.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's my larger point.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that's that's where you still get
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: into the stat that I have to update. So I
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: don't know off the top of my head what their
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: OPHRA record is now, But when the opponent scores more
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: than twenty five points against the Patriots in the mac
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Jones era, I think they're oh to fourteen at this
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: point in those games, and at some point you have
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: to be able to win thirty eight thirty five. You
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: have to be able to win what was that was
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: the score of the AFC Championship game in eighteen, Right
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: it was thirty thirty seven thirty Yeah, something like that. Right,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: So you have to be able to win a game
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: along the way in a shootout, and you have to
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: have your quarterback and your offense be able to outscore
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: somebody every once in a while. And it's just hard
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: to envision like where that offense is coming from, even
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: if you project Bill O'Brien really upgrading the system, and
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: even if you project Mac Jones taking a step forward,
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: like where are the playmakers and where how is the
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: consistency get going to get to the point where you're
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: putting together fives six scoring drives in a game out
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: of ten?
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: It just that's the part of this whole thing that
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: worries me. But a we're all like, I feel like
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: we're all on the same page that it's not about
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Devonte Parker though, right, It's about the philosophy of the
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: team building that that's going on.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: You know when ultimately you know, and I think this
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: is what Alex was getting at early in the show,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: like you have decisions that are going to be coming
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: soon on Mac Jones, You have to figure it out,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: and I think that that's going to be ultimately what
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: decides whether or not they have the offense to keep up.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: We can talk about bringing in Hopkins, we can talk
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: about bringing in Cook, but if the quarterback can't consistently
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: drive the ball into tight coverage and make plays and,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: as Evan says, get it locked up in a shootout
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: and come out the other side the winner, it's not
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: gonna matter.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I just see a mac Jones situation similar to Danny Dimes,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: where like he's okay, above average, and you're paying him
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: what was it, one hundred and forty million, because that's
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: the market value.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say no on that. I don't see
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: them doing that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: No, I don't see them doing it. But like they're
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: a good chance Mac Jones will get paid somewhere.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: So that that's the as soon as Daniel Jones's contract.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: As soon as Daniel Jones' contract came out, though, assuming
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: that Mac has a year that's maybe more reflective of
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: his rookie season and maybe even a little bit better.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: I said, immediately when his agent goes to the negotiating
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: table on his contract extension, that's that's the contract that
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: I'm looking at if I'm his agent.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: And I think they'll pick up the fifty year option. Yeah,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: to put it off for another year. He'll play it
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: out and then then they'll see because I don't think
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: they're going to give him that kind of a contract.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: I don't think so either.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: And ultimately, if he, let's say in year four, year five,
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: he has like an MVP caliber season and now it
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: becomes worth it to pay him that money, then that
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: that changes the equation. But he's to your point, that's
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: the market value now even for just like a serviceable
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: NFL starter, And it's it's similar in terms of apy
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: to you know what Derek Carr got a couple of
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: years ago. Now, Derek carr structure was very different than
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Daniel Jones is, but it's thirty thirty five million dollars
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: a year of really mostly guaranteed money because they're quarterbacks.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: So it's it's not really like you know, this DeVante
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Parker contract, where I mean, kudos to his agent for
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: for putting three thirty three.
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we should probably comment that they're getting ready for
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: Ed Sheeran this weekend.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: A lot of stuff, there's a lot of stuff going
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: on at the stadium.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Kills louder than Taylor Swift, though I don't know.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Who do we?
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: Who does Paul have to call Paul is the one
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: with the sway here? Who does Paul have to call
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: it against?
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Sharon?
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Ed Seron?
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Yes? Do you guys like Ed Cheeron? I don't know.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I like Ed Sharon. I don't love he's very talented.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: I don't love he is very I think. And there's
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: a couple of songs that I really like. A perfect
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: So perfect is.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: A perfect.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: A little bit a couple I saw him do something
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: on TV, like one of the like the Grammys or
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: something like that, where he like synthesized the whole thing
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: like by himself on stage and he was playing guitar
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: and like he had the drums all set and he
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: was like using his feet to like play the bassline
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: of the song. It wasn't that was incredible. That was
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: pretty cool. I'm not a big ed cheering guy, but.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: You respect the talent that.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Some of the songs like. I know that people some
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: of them just look at like, oh, it's poppy, it's
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: pop music. Who cares? Like perfect is a great song? Yeah,
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: it's a great song that other one that's a good
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: song too.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: He also has more good songs than you think A
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Thrones too.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: I know, I don't like Aaron Rodgers, so Ed Sharon
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: wasn't a Game of Thrones can And I always remember
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: it because it was like so obviously Ed Sheeran whatever
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: they like for like three seconds just to be like, okay,
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: it's Ed Shearon that movie and I forget the name
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: of it, forgive me, but it's about the guy who
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: start He is like a fledgling like musician, but he
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: doesn't really have the talent to go anywhere, and he
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: somehow starts to like sing Beatles songs and no one
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: knows the Beles.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: It's the English movie, right.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and he's like in the future and he's it's
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: like he realizes the Beatles.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Nobody knows the Beatles, and people think that he's creating
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: all of these It's it's a funny movie. I mean
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: it's obviously goofy, but Ed Sharon is in the movie
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: and he's fantastic in it. And it's it's like they
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: have like a contest so you can create a song,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: and he's just creating like a Beatles song that he
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: has song.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yet that's funny.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: It was. It was pretty funny.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: I have a new found respect for for the for
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: the Beatles.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, as I've aged analytics of
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: shining positively.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: As a kid, I was like, I didn't really understand
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: the hype with the Beatles, you know, But but now
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: that I've gotten older and have a little bit more perspective,
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: I feel like it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I was never like a big Beatles fan, but obviously
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: you talk about respecting the talent. I mean, that is insane.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: I feel like that catalog is insane.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: If you weren't into the Beatles, what were you into.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: I like, I always like the Rolling Stones better than the.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: Beatles, because I was going to say, like, there's probably
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: either Beatles feeple or like.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: More rock people and stuffy. For me, it was Zeppelin.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: To me, it was like that was before my time.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: I know that you find that awfully hard to believe
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: because you're twelve, but.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: That was I was twelve, because we're talking about thirty
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: years before my time out with the Garbage here, and
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that was.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: That was like the Beatles, and even the Stones for
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: the most part, although the Laate Stones like start me
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Up that was kind of middle school years. I was
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: never like really into that. I was more into, like,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: I make fun of myself all the time, the disco
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: stuff nice. I was into the dance music likes Begi's
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: were awesome. Earth Winning Fire is the greatest school.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I love to getting after it at the club.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: In town.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: But they still got after it. They still throw down
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: in concert. Earth Winding Fire.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Oh well they uh they screw now they're saying after
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: a couple of super Bowl super Bowl Park.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they can still do, they can still boogie. They
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: I saw them, I know, three or four years ago
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: now in a in a festival.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Commodore's great stuff.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: Thinking Out Loud and Castle on the Hill also to
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: Fire and Surance.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Thinking out Thinking out Loud is another good one. I
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: don't love Castle on the Hill, but it's I mean,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: it's good.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: Should we fire through these calls before Paul's food gets here?
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: All right, Morgan and Vermont, what's up Morgan?
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Morgan?
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Morgan, you're on the air, you were for a while.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: You call back, Morgan, We'll get you on. Uh, Patty
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: and agu on. What's up Patty?
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Well, you've lost your facilitation cut because you.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: Left him on the line, too long for too pat Patty?
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: All right, Patty callbacks.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is what you have to as the felger maage.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: You push away from the table if Spee's not here.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: Speed, don't don't embarrass me. Speed, come on, speed.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: On lines ringing, No, speed's ringing lines.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: Ring and we're coming back. We're coming back.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Patty's coming back. That would be coming back. I don't
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: know about Morgan.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: This is usually a catch twenty two problems because me
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: and for forty five minutes and the poor callers are
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: on hold for like an hour. Oh see, he was there.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: That was me paying a hang up effect.
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: This is a new one and Fresnow what's up Cody?
• 46:03
  Speaker 11: Hey, guys, But I think the devout type Parker move,
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: it's not really surprising to me. I feel like it
• 46:08
  Speaker 11: makes a lot of sense, especially if you look at
• 46:10
  Speaker 11: the next free agent market for the receiver position. I
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: don't know if you guys are aware of it at
• 46:14
  Speaker 11: the moment.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah no, But why why are you not surprised if
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: they resigned a thirty year old receiver and want them
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: on the team longer.
• 46:22
  Speaker 11: Well, what would be the other options? I mean, we
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: can draft go to that draft as our main resource.
• 46:27
  Speaker 11: But you know that's always a crap shoot, especially with
• 46:29
  Speaker 11: the history.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: Well it's less of a crap shoot than banking on
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: a thirty one year old receiver staying healthy who hasn't
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: stayed healthy his whole career.
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: True black, I said, the history has never really been
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: good to us. I mean, Taekwon Thornton still isn't anything,
• 46:43
  Speaker 11: and he's been, you know, second round receiver.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: I think, right. I mean that your alternative is develop
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: the players that you have, Yeah, the young guys that
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: you have developed them. Yeah, I mean I would put
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: the onus on the coaching staff to get more out
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: of some of these young guys that they haven't been
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: able to to get production from.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd agree with that. And thanks for the call, Cody.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: We talked about this, I think during the draft season
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: Paul about you know how it's always the the old
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: cliche is that tackles are like the safe picks and
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: receivers are not. You know, are the ones that but
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: that's really not last like four or five years it
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: first round wide receivers almost across the board have really
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: succeeded in really big ways. Like I say, Justin Jefferson, Yeah,
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: you know, Jalen Wattle, Davante Smith, I mean, Ceedee Lamb,
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Like all these guys have come into the league and
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: produced and been really good players for their team. So yeah,
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: the draft is a crapshoot, and yeah, the Patriots history
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: with drafting wide receivers hasn't been great. Now, the free
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: agent market at wide receiver is never good.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: You know. You know, it's that when you have good ones,
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: you keep them right or.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: They get traded, you know, for for capital. So I
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: don't I understand what the caller is saying that if
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: you look at who's going to be a free agent
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: next year, DeVante Parker probably would have been one of
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: the better free agents on the market if he stayed
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: healthy this year and produced. But I don't think that
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: necessarily says much because of the way that that position
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: typically is in free agency. All right, let's try uh,
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: let's try speak again. Speed Are you there now?
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: Can you hear me?
• 48:23
  Speaker 12: Houston?
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: We got you?
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: All right?
• 48:27
  Speaker 13: It was pretty pretty weird last Like last time, you
• 48:29
  Speaker 13: guys were talking about how Darry Ocean is and like
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: rip currents and swimming parallels to the shore and then
• 48:35
  Speaker 13: all of a sudden, Ryan Mallet, like it swallowed up
• 48:37
  Speaker 13: by a rip current the next day.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I didn't realize that that area is so.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Danger I read that like ten people.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah this year.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're talking like firefighters.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: Obviously Mallet is a very probably strong guy, but I'll
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: mess with the ocean.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Well, you said to Scott, swim parallel, let it take
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: you out, and then you swim sideways to get by
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: the rep. That's what I was.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: And if you're not taught that.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: If you're not taught that also, like it's freaky as hell,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: like like you never know what happens when situation pops up,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: so it's super Unfortunately, I.
• 49:12
  Speaker 13: Went down the rabbit hole yesterday and some some advisors
• 49:15
  Speaker 13: were saying that you just if you can just float
• 49:17
  Speaker 13: because sometimes swimming that way doesn't actually always work.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: Well, you would think that a guy like Ryan Mallet
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: would be able to swim pretty far. I mean, he's
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: a former athlete, a big guy.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: And only thirty five years old. Yeah, awful, go ahead,
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Well I.
• 49:36
  Speaker 13: Wanted to before I know, Paul got to eat, but like, yeah,
• 49:39
  Speaker 13: it's not yet doing okay, when Evan, one thing you've
• 49:43
  Speaker 13: been saying recently. That's kind of given me a little
• 49:45
  Speaker 13: bit of comfort as talking about the big situation and hey,
• 49:49
  Speaker 13: is Buffalo gonna implode? Which I think that's important because
• 49:52
  Speaker 13: the Patriots, if they're going to make the postseason, is
• 49:55
  Speaker 13: gonna they're gonna need to get some help from the
• 49:57
  Speaker 13: other hands to eat. So I was kind of wondering
• 50:02
  Speaker 13: with the new Jersey Jets and the Dolphin, you know,
• 50:06
  Speaker 13: aside from the quarterback position where you know, with to
• 50:09
  Speaker 13: his body and Rogers is heart or lack thereof, Like,
• 50:13
  Speaker 13: what are some other things that could maybe submarine those teams? Like, oh,
• 50:18
  Speaker 13: what are some ways you think.
• 50:19
  Speaker 12: They could fall apart?
• 50:20
  Speaker 13: It's kind of like a bigger picture questions.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: We can put a pin in that and wait till
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: Fred gets back. I'm sure he has a litany of
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: ways that the other teams can all not be good.
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: That's at least agree.
• 50:31
  Speaker 13: That's going to be part of the equations of the
• 50:32
  Speaker 13: patience this year.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: This is where they've they've this is where they've dropped to,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: is that you have to hope the other teams implode.
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: Don't you miss the days where we didn't even care
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: about the other teams. It was just are we hosting
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: the AFC Championship Game.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Look at the list of the coaches and quarterbacks of
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: the other three teams in the AFC East and saying
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: I remember him, Like that's how obscure are some of
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: the name like Cleo Lemon, Like you'd be like, oh, yeah,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: I remember that guy. Now It's like, well, can can
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: maybe Stefan be cranky all year and maybe take the
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: whole offense down with him?
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Just got a root for a lot of dis front.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe came to get a concussion again and maybe not
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: being able to play. That's that's what that's rush injuries.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: I don't wish injuries, but Fred does openly.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe some like du Mo leagues that add rifts to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: the locker room.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, could could Alan and Diggs be Donovan
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: McNabb and t O all over again? Like dis is
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: Dick's going to be in his driveway with his shirt
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: off doing crunches and saying how much he hates his quarterback,
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: Like can we.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Have that he loved his other quarterback though, Dig's quarterback.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: That's quarterback? Gotcha?
• 51:39
  Speaker 13: Well, Evan, you were right about male Dolphin. They're monsters.
• 51:42
  Speaker 12: And uh.
• 51:43
  Speaker 13: The other thing is.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: I never got the update.
• 51:45
  Speaker 13: It's kind of a bad guy. John Lennon was a
• 51:47
  Speaker 13: bad guy too.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Who was okay, John Lennon, John, John Lennon, I did
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: not know John the one with Yoko.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean, well I heard Yoko is like, yes,
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: well Yoko broke up the Beatles.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: Well, this Harrison broke the Beatles, John.
• 52:08
  Speaker 13: That was John Lennon's choice, the Beast.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: That's him not being in Alpha.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: And there's also there's a lot of difference, like we
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: don't have to go down to uh, you know tatles
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: On fielded here, especially when I do not have the
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: knowledge that Fred obviously brings.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to crap the whole time.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: I'm going off of like some of the stuff that
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: Fred has said in the past. And it was sort
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: of one of those things that it wasn't always what
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: it appeared. Everybody always blamed it on Yoko and her
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: influence on on John, but not really mentioned as much
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: was Linda's influence on Paul and how that sort of
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: rubs people the wrong way. And I think Matt's right.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: I think ultimately George Harrison just said enough with this because.
• 52:48
  Speaker 14: He was getting all but her in the studio that
• 52:50
  Speaker 14: Yoka was just hanging out, Linda was just hanging out,
• 52:53
  Speaker 14: and his ideas weren't getting taken seriously, and.
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: He was having no no, no no, ye don't have
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: some bad He had some bad stuff going on.
• 53:03
  Speaker 14: Like Yoko definitely chilled John out. John was a known
• 53:07
  Speaker 14: just I'll start fighting you kind of personally.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at them and hearing their music.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: All I know is that now with pop culture references
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: with the Beatles, they it's always like, oh, like you know,
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: if you break up a group, your your Yoko's say that.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: That's all.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: That's all I know, right, I don't know if that's accurate,
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: but that's all I got. All Right, let's try Patty again. Patty,
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: don't let me down this time.
• 53:33
  Speaker 15: Patty, Hey, can you guys hear me?
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 53:38
  Speaker 15: What's going on?
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: Guys?
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: And how.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: We have a bond once from my full one three
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: we have a bond. He's in the town over for me, Patty,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: I'm in west Side right now?
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what does that mean?
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: West Springfield cares?
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: There's a west.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: Alone four ninety five.
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: The only thing for Springfield for me is like, is
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: it near the Basketball Hall of fame or not.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right over the water.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Right over the les.
• 54:11
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I live. I live from there. So I had
• 54:14
  Speaker 15: a couple on the Bombay Parker extension and maybe just
• 54:20
  Speaker 15: touch on music really quickly. To me, what this like?
• 54:23
  Speaker 15: You guys always say look at what Bill does, not
• 54:25
  Speaker 15: what he says to me. This kind of spells out
• 54:28
  Speaker 15: how Yeah, drafting the kill Harry in the first round,
• 54:32
  Speaker 15: I think this is the guy or the kind of
• 54:33
  Speaker 15: player that they they envisioned having only perfect can play.
• 54:37
  Speaker 15: He's proven he could play in this league, and even
• 54:39
  Speaker 15: though he's thirty years old. I don't know if there's
• 54:41
  Speaker 15: like any out after the first or second year of
• 54:43
  Speaker 15: the deal, But I do like Parper as a player.
• 54:46
  Speaker 15: And I'm going to thought too about Hopkins if they
• 54:48
  Speaker 15: do end up signing him. What do you guys think
• 54:52
  Speaker 15: that about them using him? Kind of like the Cardinals
• 54:56
  Speaker 15: used Fitzy towards the end of his career, where they
• 54:59
  Speaker 15: you know, he wasn't that X they move them into
• 55:01
  Speaker 15: and outside and uh, Paul, I gotta ask you, what's
• 55:06
  Speaker 15: your favorite? What's your album?
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: I didn't hear that.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: What's your favorite?
• 55:10
  Speaker 15: What Rolling Stones album?
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Rolling Stones is probably the start me up album. Ye, yeah,
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: because I was not, like I told you, I wasn't
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: like a big Stones fan. I liked the stuff that
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: was probably like eighty one, so I would be like
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: in middle school then, Yeah, I like that album.
• 55:30
  Speaker 15: I was in great school then. But yeah, I mean
• 55:32
  Speaker 15: I love that music. But maybe the section of rigatone.
• 55:36
  Speaker 15: But yeah, dude, Exile on Main Street is the Stone's
• 55:40
  Speaker 15: best album. The class is the greatest fan. I think,
• 55:43
  Speaker 15: who was the greatest play fan on the planet? And sureman,
• 55:49
  Speaker 15: that's all I got.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: Okay, there you go.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: I he's higher on I don't know the player than I.
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: I don't even remember what he said about football. I
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: just that holes.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well he's talking. I do think it's a it's
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: a definite possibility to compare the the late skill set,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: late career of Fitzgerald when he went into the slot.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: He had never really played in the slot, and he
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: was very productive as a slot guy.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: But isn't that why jujus here?
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I like, I mean, like, you're not going to
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: say anything to me that says we don't need Hopkins. No,
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: I think that they could use Hopkins. Yeah, I think
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: whether you want to play him inside, outside or whatever,
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: I think he'd be the best receiver you have.
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: There's definitely alignment overlap that just based off of their historically,
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: how Hopkins has played and how Parker has played. They've
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: both been outside receivers. They've both been guys that have
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: played out outside the numbers X whatever you want to
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: call it. But I think the bigger thing is is
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: more about skill set to me than even about like
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: they can figure out how to distribute the receivers, like
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: Bill O'Brien will get them all on the field and
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: he'll figure out the best way to is he in
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: the slot?
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: Is he this?
• 56:57
  Speaker 9: Is he?
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: Whatever?
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: The bigger problem that I concerned that I would have
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: with it is you're you're pretty reliant on slower possession
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: receivers with good hands and good contested catchability and body control.
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: And who out of the group is separating, Who out
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: of the group is taking the top off the defense?
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: And I right, Thorton, But if you have Hopkins in
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: the middle, if he's not on the field, he can't
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: take the top off the defense. Well, separate very slow
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: right now, it's a slow group still that that would
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: be my concern with it. And it's again very reliant
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: on downfield jump balls, back shoulder throws like those are
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: your going to be your explosive plays in the offense,
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: you know? Seems to GASICKI like, is that really the
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: way that you want to build your offen the separators.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: I worry about Mac because I wonder if he can
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: complete enough passes to tightly covered guys to take advantage
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: of you know, that kind of stuff like man coverage,
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: and right now, I'm not talking about downfield stuff or whatever.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: I think that's overrated because I think all NFL quarterbacks
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: can throw the ball down the field, like some of
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: more accurate than others obviously, But to me, it's can
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: you have that? You know, what's the Warren Sharp thing
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: that you saw? Last three years he has.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: Finished dead last among all among all rated wide receivers
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: in separation. Yeah, can Mac complete enough passes to a
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: guy like that? Yeah?
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: I think that, you know, I wanted to bring up
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: the Warren Sharp thing. I think that the separation as
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: a metric has has some flaws to it.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Or enter subjectivity to it, right, that's for sure.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: In context of Okay, well, if this player is playing
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: a predominantly outside receiver X receiver type of role and
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: he's seeing a ton of backside man coverage. Then it
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: lends itself to the fact that he's probably going to
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: be in tighter coverage situations than somebody that's running through
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: zones in the middle of the field.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Now that being.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: Said, I would also say that that's not Parker's game.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: Parker is not a separator. We know that it's not
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: his game. So it's kind of like expecting a guy
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: that you know that pitches and he's all about control
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: and putting the ball and in good places and maybe
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: off speed stuff. And then you're like, well, why is
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: his strikeout.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Rate really low?
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: Well, because he doesn't he doesn't have swing and mis pitches.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: So Parker is a contested catch guy. We've known that.
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, I still get do get
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: concerned about they are building a receiving cord that is
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: a lot of those types of guys.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because my follow up would be, then why did
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: we extend the guy doesn't have a good strikeout rate,
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: Like I wouldn't want to, you know, I'd rather you know,
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: rely on on Bayo. You know who's gonna strike guys
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: out and has that kind of stuff than Connor Sebolt
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: who I don't think.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: Did right well well Bao with Bao in this scenario
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: since we're crossing sports fully, now, Bo in this scenario
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: would be a little bit like Taekwon because yeah, BeO
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: early on this year, they almost sent him back down
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: to Worcester like he was well they did. Yeah, he
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: was struggling really badly and now he's like been great
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: for the last two months. So that's one of those
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: scenarios where eventually they just kind of let him pitch
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: his way out of it and figure it out, and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: that is a concern. I will take one last call
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: and then Paul's food is here, so we'll break for lunch.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: But to dodge facilitating Mike and Tampa and Tampa Brady,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: what's going on?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 15: Hey, what's going on?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 10: Guys? So I had two different things. One of is
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 10: the Ed Sheeran songs. Good one that if you guys
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 10: have ever seen Sons of Anarchy, Yes, one of the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 10: last episodes, he's got a song on there called make
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 10: It Rain. I would check that one out. It's pretty good.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 10: It's pretty and as far as football is concerned, a
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 10: couple I want to say the last week or the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 10: week before you guys were running off a laundry list
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: for mac Jones about what would make him, you know,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 10: what might make him better? For what what we would
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 10: have to do to see the most out of him.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 10: And it seemed like that list was really long just
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 10: to get him to be serviceable.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I don't know, that sounds that sounds like
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: a lot harsher than we like, he doesn't have to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: do a ton of improvement to be serviceable, Like I
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: think he is serviceable, now you know, I don't think.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think he needs to have strides to be serviceable.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 10: Then I'm then I'm misremembering what I heard, But it
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 10: was it seemed like there was a laundry list of
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 10: stuff that like, oh, if he had a better offensive
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 10: line and better wide receivers and better this and better,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 10: that we could really get the most out of him, and.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: Well then you could figure out.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 10: That the team would be much better. And that's I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 10: know that sounds kind of like, hello, connect the dots.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 10: But if he needs that much work to get us
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 10: to where we want to be, shouldn't we move on?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 10: Like maybe, I don't know.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: That's that's an argument.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's an argument to be made for that, sure,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: But I think my my pushback on this argument is
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: always like, so we need to make it harder on
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: him to so that he can prove himself as being
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: somebody that can that can.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: I like the way you put that right, right, Like.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 16: So no, Evan, not at all, not at all. So
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 16: what I what I'm trying to get at with that is,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 16: when you need that much, maybe you're trying too hard
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 16: to get to where you want to be, and you
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 16: can make it easier on yourself by finding somebody who
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 16: has those missing pieces that Mac has that Mac doesn't have,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 16: rather like the power to get the ball down the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 16: field with some velocity and fit the ball into tight windows. Right,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 16: that's got touch passes all day long.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: But I hear you. But but my point is is
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: that I don't think that any quarterback is going to
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: succeed with nothing around him, you know, just just because
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: of his greatness. Like even a guy like Patrick Mahomes,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: who you can make the argument Kansas City outside of
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: Travis Kelcey just has some okay pieces around Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: But Patrick Mahomes has Travis Kelcey, he has arguably the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: best play caller in the sport and he's got a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: stable offensive line now, and that's why he's great, you know,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: that's that's what gets him to allow him to be great.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: So we saw it here with Brady. You know when
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: years when they had down years receiver, they didn't win,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: Like they didn't win in twenty thirteen, they didn't win
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: with reshe called well and what was that five or six? Yeah,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: they didn't win those years. So even the great guys
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: still need help. And we saw you know the unfortunately
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: my last year with Brady, you know, covering the team
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: and everybody else, is in nineteen he was still great.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: You know, he went to Tampa Bay and he won
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: a Super Bowl immediately. So that's the thing is like,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: even if you find the Golden Goose quarterback and you
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: find your Patrick Mahomes like, you still you still got
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: to put the pieces around him, and I think that
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: you could.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: You can.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: Really, that's still good business, regardless of if it's Mac
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: or if it's somebody better.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 10: Okay, gotcha, Well, Hey, thank you guys for taking my call.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 10: Paulie enjoyed the launch. I really enjoyed listening to you
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 10: guys every week.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: Thanks Mike, no problem for Colin, and I do hear
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: his point because I know, well you talk about it
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: all the time with Drew Bloodstone, like you just kept
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: on trying to make Drew bledsoe.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: Well. But I but I agree with Mike's premise, Like
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: what quarterback in the league wouldn't succeed with all of
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: the you know, a great offensive line, great running game,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: great receivers, great defense, great coach. Like what do I
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: need you for?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: That?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: To me? Is brock party? Yeah? Like he has the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: best weapons. I think Bill Barnwell had San Francisco one
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: in that list that you cited earlier. He has the
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: best weapons in the league. They have a great defense.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, I thought he was suggesting switch mac Jones or
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: Brock Party.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: No, I think.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: That you couldn't do it if you if you put
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: mac Jones in that offense, like, who knows what would happen?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: I think what he's suggesting, and I honestly I'm interested
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: to see if this is the way that that Bill
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: handles it. Is if mac Jones is a replacement level quarterback,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: then instead of after the fifth year option or four years,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: instead of paying him Daniel Jones money, just replace him.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: You know, I think that's what he'll do, unless he
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: makes an enormous leap. I think that's what he'll do.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna take a break. Before we take
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: the quick break, I want to let everybody know. I
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: know everybody's listening to us, and why wouldn't you be.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: But NFL Network just starting their sort of tribute to
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: the Patriots from the twenty ten the Dynasty two point zero.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: How's that? Is that the best way to put it?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: The second half, second half of the Dynasty. The programming
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: on NFL Network is going to be sort of wall
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: to wall Patriots this afternoon. I think the first one
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: is going to be the Divisional round game against Baltimore
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen, which was an epic thirty five thirty
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: one game, one of the best playoff games of the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: entire era. When that gets overlooked a little bit.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: They did have to show the nine.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: It was a truly They showed the nine, and then
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: they showed they showed the Cundiff game, and then they
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: showed the next year.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: If we're gonna if we're gonna pump up the Patriots.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: Though I could have done without the the Ray rice
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: O nine. I could have done without that one.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: I told you that was the game right outside that door,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: and I opened the door to come in and Ray
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: Lewis was screaming and everybody is in roll.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: God, that was young Evan. That was a crushing blow
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: for young Evan. That was a tough game.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: That was me in boarding school getting my heart ripped out.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a tough one in Wes Welker.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: And unrelatable board school, boarding school, board school.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: Like that's that's just like, you know, like he wasn't
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: really at one of those you know, prep school school,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: just boarding school.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: But maybe we'll talk a little bit of fourteenth divisional
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: Roun when we get back after the break, because that
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: was a great game. That was a great game. All Right,
• 1:07:45
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• 1:07:47
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  Speaker 21: Brooks Koepka and Alex Morgan. They don't spend all their
• 1:14:30
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• 1:14:57
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• 1:15:01
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• 1:15:43
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• 1:15:47
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• 1:15:51
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• 1:16:25
  Speaker 8: this one. Pat the Patriot is stealing the show tonight
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 8: with his Bank of America mobile banking app.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 14: That's right, folks, So here we see Pat cheering and
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 14: then whammo is that Bank of America life plan.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 8: Looks like he's saving up for some big future moves,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 8: planning the next vacah big guy.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 14: And wait, now he's paying back his buddy for concessions
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 14: using zel no penalty there incredible.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: No way.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 7: As if that double move wasn't impressive enough, now he's
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: beefing up his account defense with security meter.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 8: Holy Conoli, what a per format.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 14: Bank of America's digital tools are so impressive. Patriot fans
• 1:17:04
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• 1:17:08
  Speaker 14: slash Banking. You must be enrolled in online banking or
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 14: download the latest version of the mobile banking app, only
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 14: available on select mobile devices. Message and data rates may apply.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 14: Terms and conditions apply. Member FDIC.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 25: Want to get into the game. Get coached up at
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 25: Dean College. Equipped with exclusive academic partnerships featuring the Patriots Revolution,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 25: Providence Ruins, Summer baseball, and more. Our classrooms are set
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 25: up for success by learning directly from the pros. Dean
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 25: College has programs in communications, sports, management, business and marketing
• 1:17:38
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• 1:17:42
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• 1:17:44
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• 1:17:46
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• 1:17:50
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• 1:17:57
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• 1:18:09
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• 1:18:13
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• 1:18:16
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• 1:18:20
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• 1:18:23
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• 1:18:26
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• 1:18:29
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• 1:18:36
  Speaker 19: How did Verizon build the fastest five G in the world.
• 1:18:39
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• 1:18:42
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• 1:18:46
  Speaker 19: And it's not just fast, it's twenty five times faster
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 19: than today's four G networks. This is five G built right.
• 1:18:52
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• 1:18:53
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• 1:19:34
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• 1:19:39
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  Speaker 4: Let's you and I both carry a little personal work meter.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: Do you believe in UFOs?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: Hardy and you're just stupid. Let's talk about UFOs.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm going there?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: And that's another great moment from.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: We're Back and Paul has just finished his food like
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: right on time. And I always find it fascinating that
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: you managed to do that every single time. You never
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: miss a beat.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: Why do you think I look the way I do.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: That's not where I was going with that. But eating
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: crap in like thirty seconds, that's you know, that's why
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: you get fat.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 14: But at timing's on my part here watching them eat.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: That's true. Breen's got got the timing down too. It
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: seems like you guys have done this before. It's not
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: your your first rodeo.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: Well, you have to eat as fast as you can
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: before your brain can signal down to your stomach.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: And be like, yo, I'm full stop doing that.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: I always get slandered, the whole fast, the whole stomach
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: eater in the world.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: My brain never tells my stomach.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: That's because you probably have some unhealthy things going on
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: in your gut microbiome.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: But what don't just the whole other story. Smile, smile
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  Speaker 4: and nod. That's a big word that I has words.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: Your gut's like your second brain. You guys.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: I have never once in my life thought to myself,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: I couldn't while eating, I couldn't eat another bite now
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: ten minutes later after it hits me how much I
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: just ate.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: The ibs kicks in.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure you have that, No I do, say Andy
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: Hart had it. I don't amazing that's true? Are you
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: know multiple members of this show.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: No, I don't have that thing, for sure, I got
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: but I eat like trash too, so it's probably my fault.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: I always to say that to Andy. I was like,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: did you ever try to actually eat normal and see
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: how it goes?
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: No, I was just not about your atte One of
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: my friends, like, she's just now trying vegetables and stuff,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 6: and she's a really petite girl.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: She can't believe she's like pre diabetic.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, that's because we went out to like
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: a five star restaurant and you asked for buttered noodles
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: and we were eating like elk and stuff.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: And elk just got it.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 6: Was the elk almost as good as the octopus.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, octopus is good.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like octopus Southbound Charleston, South Carolina, great restaurant.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: So we actually had elk on this show. Oh, someone
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: came and cooked it for us right out in the
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: parking right out in the parking lot. I don't know
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: it was very good.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: I would try it just because I try anything.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: That's one of the most elsy proteins. It's really good.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, Alex.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: I agree with you, though. I generally when I stop eating,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: that's out of embarrassment, not not satisfaction. I don't know.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: I just you know, I I'm looking.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: I'm definitely one of those one of those people that
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: needs to to tell myself to stop eating, because if
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: I eat as much as I really want to, then
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: I'll be three hundred pounds. So I have to control myself.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: But I'm never full, never.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: It's one of those problems.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: But that's because actually I'm just gonna stop. I'm not
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: eating foods that are satisfy you. You're tricking your body.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 6: And then you're like, wait, I'm still hungry. I eat
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: all this food, but I got nothing from it.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: You're telling me my Jersey Mike's number seven is.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: Not is not filling my or the ten d's in
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: the commons.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the comments.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: I've heard some. I've heard some good things and some
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: bad things.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: Yesterday I was your afternoon after that was fine.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: I actually included which I don't I haven't done.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: I got a fry yesterday too with my keen wobble.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: I will admit it, doesn't you get the Siracha the
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: fries and Sacha slaps.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: The guys are doing good.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Work out there. I love the kitchen guys up there.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: So they're they're showing on NFL Network right now the
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: twenty fourteenth Divisional Round game against Baltimore and they're explaining
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: the ineligible receiver formation that the Patriots said used in
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: this game to trick the Ravens, And to me, that
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: will never get old. I will never get over watching
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: John Harbaugh lose his mind on the sideline trying to
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: figure this out. I think we got to go around
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: the table. Though I know where Paul was because he
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: was He was here when this when this game.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: Happened, This is one of the best. Seriously, I set
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: up before the break. This is one of the best
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: playoff games, and I don't think it gets as much
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: attention as a lot of others.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: It was a classic. Where were you guys when this
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: game happened?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: I was in my mom's living room screaming at the TV.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: When Flacco threw that ball at the end, I swear
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: it was in the air for forty five seconds. That's all
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: I remember.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: I think I was at my friend Morgan's house. Were
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: my friend Morgan. We were just having a lot of
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: watch parties those days.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I was on break, wasn't that.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So that that was for me. I was in college,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: so that was right in the middle of winter break.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 11: Yep.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: We were on vacation, and I remember to this day
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: that my mom was furious because my mom's not a
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: football fan, doesn't watch football, and we were on vacation,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: family vacation, and me and my dad and my sister
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: wanted to stay in that night and watch the game,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: and we got takeout from the restaurant at the hotel
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: and you know it, and deal a little little party
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: in the hotel room. And my mom is like furious
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: because we didn't we didn't go out pats on vacation,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: and she just didn't really understand. And then it turned
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: out to be the greatest divisional round game they probably
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: ever played. And in hindsight, I think it was great that,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: you know, luckily they won. I probably would have would
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: have ruined the rest of the vacation.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: If they had lost. So I'm glad that they had won.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: But was she less mad after the win or was
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: she she was relieved?
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: She always said every time that the Patriots played in
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: a big game, like a playoff game or Super Bowl,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: it was relief when they won.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Because a huge brat when they lost, Like, would you cry?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't cry. I'd usually like go into like a
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: fortress of solitude for a little while.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's probably a nice break on your mom
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: when they lost.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: For me, like on like a Sunday, you know, before
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: it started, I just like go outside and like, you know,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: shoot hoops my driveway by myself for like an hour
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: and like not talk to anybody or something like that.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, it was you could hear a
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: pin drop in my house when they were losing, like
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: in a in a playoff game, you could.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: You could.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: There was no talking, there was no we wouldn't even
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: look at each other. You just you just kind of
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: sit there in silence. But Paul Way, what's your what's
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: your favorite moment of this game? Because there's a lot
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: of great moments out of this one.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: I think they just showed it. I think the double
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: pass the place went absolutely ballistic in Edelman to a
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: Mondola for the tying touchdown. One of the most underrated
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: throws of Brady's career, however, is the winning touchdown, which
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: is coming up shortly.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: So he actually he was on a radio show talking
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: about his favorite throws that he has ever made, and
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: he actually gave LaFell the credit for that one, said
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: it was a tougher catch.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: It it was a tough catch, but I mean it
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: was everything about that play, you know, and especially when
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: you take into consideration the circumstances, you know, like that
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: was that was great the I I loved those. Uh
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: those playoff games with Baltimore were the best they had.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: I think they had four of them and went two
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: and two. They were they were different. They were as
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: the kids saying, he's built different.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: Well, they were like we didn't have many games that
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: we were like really nervous about until really you got
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: to the FC Championship the Super Bowl.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: But Baltimore, if like that was.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: Always like the dynasty. The first part of the dynasty.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: All of the playoff games were like that. The second
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: part it was Tim Tebow, Brock Osweiler, like you're playing
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: against guys that can't compete. Marcus Mariota my leaving out
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: the tomato can the parade of the Tomato cans.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: It was sha in one of those Houston because they
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: played Houston twice, right, I do think was one of them. Yeah,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: because I remember the brock Star because they they played.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: Ostwiler was definitely one, right, and then they played they
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: played Houston. Oh my god, to catch the well.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: The other time is when when Gronk relanded on the
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: on the forearm and rebroke his forearm. I think that
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: was thirteen.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: That was That was a Houston game. Yeah, that was
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: like a deceptively high scoring game.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Shane Vereen, I think a wheel route out of
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: the backfield.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: Do you have a pick return in that game too?
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: He might have. The Patriots had that game in control. Yeah,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: but it was it was pretty high scoring.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: Got a young young dev right there, young Devin mccordy.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: Talking about one of the playoff games that stands out
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: to me. I think it was a twenty fifteen Broncos
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: one kind of snowy Pats old line was just so
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: beat up. Yeah, they lost by one or something like that,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: But that's the game that always stands out to me.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that one was tough because they lead the drive down,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: Brady has the fourth down throw to Gronkowski, which is
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: definitely on his mad rush more of throws, and then
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: he misses him on the two point conversion.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: Which Gokowski missed earlier.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then that was what ended up costing them
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: the game.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: It was that the air where Harper muffed the punt.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: That's why it wasn't a Gillette.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: Oh when they lost. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, I can
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: give you my cavalcade of BB screw ups that cost
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: them a super Bowl that year. That would be one, yep,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: that's when it started. The mortar kick, the corpse of
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: Stephen Jackson, Yeah, and kicking off in overtime. Those are
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: four games you lost in the last seven weeks of
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: the season that if you won any one of them,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: you would have hosted the AC Championship game. And I
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: think you would have won it, yeah, if you hosted it.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: But that's just me. I'm crazy like that.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: I forgot about the hail Mary suspense.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: That ball was in the air for what felt like
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: forty five seconds, well the two minutes.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: But that's even that's the hail Mary. The drive like,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: there was two things. One they should when they kicked
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: a field goal to go up thirty one twenty eight.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: It should have been a touchdown, Yeah, I forget. I
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: think it was Dennis Pitta dropped it dropped a touchdown
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: and then they were moving again. When it was I
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: think they were down thirty five thirty one. If you remember,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: both teams pretty much moved the BA at will in
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: that game. Yeah, the the Ravens looked like they were
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: going to respond and take the lead again. They had
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: a good little drive going and for some reason Flacco
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: went for it all and I think Deron Harmon that
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: was one of his Mariano Rivera closers. Yeah, closer, and
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: he came up with a big play. But I thought
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: they took an unnecessary shot into the end zone that
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: didn't need to happen there.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I didn't really. You always remember those
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: hell Mary plays, and some of those are a lot
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: closer than you remember when you see him again, right,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: you know that one tipped up.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: They're almost all close when you actually watched them in
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: slow motion, like the uh, the Eagles one that the
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: Patriots lost. Yeah, there was like they went up and
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: everybody sort of batted it down and then one of
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: the Eagles defenders sort of gets twisted and his arm
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: goes up and hits the ball back up in the
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: air a little bit by accident, totally not intentional, but
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: it just fell in an area that were weren't it
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: weren't any Patriots.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: It's also crazy because like the Hail Mary is the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: one play in the NFL, Like the refs probably aren't
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: gonna throw anything, like people are just.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: Getting people kill each other, and they should.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, like what was it was the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: Eagles one, Like Gronk was getting like he was getting
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: jumped on by people.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you can actually Hogan gets lit up, like
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: the twenty yards just running down the field. Yeah.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: Then the second Giant Super Bowl, if healthy Gronk makes
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: that catch up, healthy Gronk catches that on the shoe
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: strings and and they ride off into the sunset.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: That one.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: That one's also that Hill Mary's Razor Thin, which was
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 5: the second Giant Super Bowl.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one that I think is an example of
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: It looks a lot closer and super slow motion than
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: it was. Yeah, like the balls kind of on the
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: ground before Gronk dives for it. Yeah, you know.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna saying, if his ankle's healthy, is there ankle's healthy.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: Well, if his ankle is healthy, the game's all different
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: if you were going to play that game.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: I just need the ankle to be healthy for that.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: I don't need the whole game.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: I don't need to be greedy. I just needed to
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: be healthy on that one.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: Themselves kick in the CORTI kicks in right there.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: How one's still?
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: Are you like that?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: Or do the the losses still stick with you even
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: though they won six times?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: Like I know they they definitely do stick to me.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: And it's part of that whole sort of mantra that
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: I have, Like I'm always worried about something. And I
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: know this sounds incredibly selfish and sort of greedy, but
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: I feel like they left some out there. Is this
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: is this?
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: If you've told me this before, I wasn't sure.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: Do you feel like I don't. I don't go all
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: in on this one. And people that are listening are
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: going to be like, since when does he hold back?
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: I'm out of field? Like I normally do not care
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: at all about the backlash that I get, because I
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: get a lot of backlash, you know about a lot
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: of things, not the least of witches being fat. But
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: that happens, what are you going to do? I'm fat,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: I have to I have to live with that. I
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: don't want to go all in on like how many
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: super Bowls they should have won, But I do kind
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: of think that they left. I think, oh, six is
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: a glaring example. I think fifteen is a glaring example.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: I think they left someone that. Now you can easily
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: cut back and say, you know, if not for a
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: play in what five of the six wins they could
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: have lost? Absolutely valid, absolutely true. They could They easily
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: could have lost to the Rams. They easily could have
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: lost them.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: But isn't that why it feels like they won exactly
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: the amount that they probably should have won.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: Probably, which is another reason why don't go all in.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: I really liked one of those Giants one, one.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: Of them, oh, the second Giants one. I think they
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: were closer to winning than the first. The first one.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: To me, I thought they got like as thoroughly all
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: played as you can get, with the exception of the
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: very first drive of the game. Patriots went down the
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: field bang just like they did every other time. Yeah
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: O seven And after that the Giants kicked the snot
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: out of them in that game. The second Giants game,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: I thought the Giants star arted fast and the Patriots
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: eventually I thought, took control of the game and that
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: that double score to me was just like methodical long
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: drive to end the second long drive to start the third.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: I was like, the Giants haven't had the ball in
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: like an hour and a half, and the Patriots were
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: in complete control of this game until they weren't.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: I think the Eagle, the second Eagles one would have
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: stung a lot more if they didn't win the next year,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: Like I think that game would drive me crazy, like
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: Clement's foot out of bounds. Like you can always say
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: everything that should have happened and get called, but that
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: one would sting a lot more.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: That's what you come back to as a Patriots fan,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: not like why is Johnson Bademosi? That's the whole, that's
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: a whole, separate com Why is Malcolm Butler on the
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: side of That's like maybe by a dimple of a football,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: a guy maybe wasn't in bounds when he caught a
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: tough That's what you fall back. No, it'd fos out
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: of bounds, but no, no, not necessarily.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: Not see that, like I think the Mountain was things
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: a whole step story.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: You're talking about the babble. Yeah, it's close.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: It's close, But they they called it one way all
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: year long, and then they did they did.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: They called it right in the championship. I agree, which
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: every Patriots fan, if they had a hand on a Bible,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: would admit. No.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: I agree that that was the correct call. That just
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: wasn't a consistent that.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: Zach Ertz one was not even close. He took three
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: full strides before he dove into the end zone. Chris
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: collins Wood said it was going to get overturned.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: Lives Oh god. Yeah, that's why I don't pay attention
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: to Chris collins Worth. But I mean, look, it was
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: the Jesse James play. You can talk about all these
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: did the Eagles second Super Bowl? If the Patriots go
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: nineteen to oh, I'm all set for life. Like that's that.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: That was nineteen and oh and then everything we've done
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: after that is nothing.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: You're cool with that, Yeah, you're cool with that. It's
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: a good question, cool.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: With smart as clarify.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: It's a good question because this is something that I
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: have thought about way too much, is would I trade
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: nineteen to oh for the other three Super Bowls that
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: they won in the twenty tens. And it's like, how
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: I imagine parents pick between two children, Like, how do
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: you do that?
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: Like, you can't do it. There's no good answer.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: As a confident favorite. I don't know. I don't think
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: it's easy.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: I can't.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: I can't.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm not the favorite, so you can.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Pay the favorite. You can't say it.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: Out loud, Yeah, I don't.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I can, if I can say
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: that that fully, but I'm close. It's kind of like
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: Paul with his opinion that they could have won more.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: I might trade the other three super Bowls for nineteen
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: to No, I might do.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: It no Seahawks fifty one.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: I was older for the last year.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 6: I appreciated them so much more. I wasn't just like
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 6: a young dumb kid.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: Well, I was in high school for nineteen to o
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: as a like a freshman.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 6: I think I remember going home my a I am
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 6: away message, just ranting away.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: I think you know the thing was for me is
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: that at the time, Randy Moss was my favorite non
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: Brady Patriot by far, not even close. So the fact
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: that he didn't Win kills me. And the fact that
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: you know that record breaking year ended the way that
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: it did for him kills me. And I was also
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: a huge Wes Welker guy because you know, as an
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 5: undersized Caucasian man, I I thought, oh, well, Wes Welker
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: made it in the NFL, why can't I? Stupid, very stupidly.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: So so I was a huge Wes Welker guy too
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: because in Edelman, you know, also because of the same
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: reason the I woman.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Was Jewish, you'd think you'd have mortal I cling onto
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: with him.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but West was first, you know. So but I
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: truly believed that that like, oh, there's a path for me,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: Like I, I, you know, look at this.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 6: It's so funny because we talk about at all the
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 6: community events, the guys are like, it's really important for
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: them to see what they can achieve.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: This you're giving us now now and fifteen years later,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: I can't even keep a straight face.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: Like thinking that there was a path ever that existed.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: That's awesome. This is so funny, just so you know,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: we are revisiting this one when so true, I thought
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: I really believed. Okay, here's Wes Welker.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: He's like the same size as me in terms of
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: like height, uh not way because he was on muscle
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: and I was not, but height and all that kind
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: of stuff, and I really felt like, I, you know,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: if I worked as hard as he did and I
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: could do it, you know, Similarly in basketball, you know,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: I was a huge, huge JJ Redick fan because JJ
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: Reddick was not the best athlete, but he was a
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: dominant three point shooter and he made the NBA because
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: he could shoot, and that was.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: It to this is why we need to do the Yeah,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: he's a lot bigger.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: Mark Price was one of the best shooters high school basketball.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: And what I mean, I wasn't a good basketball player,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: but all the were like, what Price Like, he's just
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: like if you just work hard, like that's like my
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: Price is ridiculously athletic point god.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: Just because he wasn't considered athletic among his peters in
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: the NBA doesn't mean he wasn't like way more skilled
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: than some joker playing.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: Like Scalabrini challenging people.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: To one on one, yeah, or like playing pickup.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: So that's different though, because Scal's like seven feet tall,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: so he's just like genetically bigger than you, even if
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: he's not like more skilled at basketball. I was convinced
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: that I had the exact same body type as Wes Welker,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: So why couldn't that be me?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: Evan? This is why we need to have the content
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: team combined.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: Because then you'll find out why it couldn't be me.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it would still be so fun. Well, I
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: want to do it.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I can sign up for that
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: kind of embarrassment. I know my forty time right now
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: is if I'm I'm lucky to break seven seconds.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: At this point, Andy did the combine for a big
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: feature that we did one hundred years ago. But like
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: the only thing he did, the only thing he did
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: at any kind of a level, was the bench press.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: Why doesn't that surprise me? T t Rex? I don't know.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: Would I trade second because it sucked? Would I trade
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: nineteen to O for the other three Super Bowls?
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: I might? It's the great that's the great debate. I might. Basically,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: we're saying, if you had that and then but then
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: Brady was going to retire and that's a bad that
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: and you didn't have so like so it was a
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: guarantee that you weren't going to win. Would you take that?
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: That's the thing.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: If you told me that, you want to know seven
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: and Brady didn't play for another decade after that, then
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: I'm easily taking O.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: Seven.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 5: But because he played for so long after the thing,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: it was a chance that like they did, it's literally
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: giving up on a whole nother career for most quarterbacks, right,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: It's did you see? I don't know? And you you
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: would know this like there was one of those like
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: strange stats that you can't believe is true. Thing about
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: if you took away the seven Super Bowls that Brady has,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: he'd still be the number one all time in postseason
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: touchdown passes and yards. It's crazy. Now what what I
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: need a little bit further context? Like you're telling me
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: you're taking away twenty two games, Like so the six
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: times they won with the Patriots, that's eighteen games, three
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: three games through the play plus the Tampa one was
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: four games. So that's you know, you're taking away all
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: of those games or you're just taking away the actual
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl. I would assume it's just the actual because
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: it didn't seem to be plausible. But if you took
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: away like the playoff runs all seven times he won
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. That's amazing. If he's still you know,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: I know that, like you could do like he had
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: a Hall of Fame career twice. I know that whole thing.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that's my point with those seven is you're
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: you're giving up a Hall of Fame career in Dynasty
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: two point zero by cutting it off, you know, seven.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: So that does make it a little bit difficult.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: You miss the whole Gronk era.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: Who says that Gronk didn't come?
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: Ye know, why can't he? Why can't it be like.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: Gronks? Like, Yo, I'm not playing with this scrubb. I'm
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: out like Drew bloodsoe whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: I'm saying, my friend, I'm saying it could be like
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: Drew and Ben Coats, which wasn't I was.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: Going to say, he would have been just fine, right,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: it would have been fine.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 5: That was my point. I wasn't a shot at Drew.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: Maybe a little bit of shot.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: It was a little bit.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: We're saying, you're missing Brady and Gronk together.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: I know that one is tough.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: That is tough.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: Let it marinade.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: This has been marinating for for five years. I go
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 5: back and forth. Let's take one one more call here
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 5: from from Vancouver, all the way up in Canada, from Paul.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 5: What's up, Paul?
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 8: Hey?
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 12: Well, how you doing today?
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: Good?
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: How are you all right?
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 15: Paul?
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 12: Don't you feel kind of old when the other says
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 12: things like I was in high school when the yes
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 12: two thousand seven.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: Yes, I don't hate him as much as I do Alex,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: but yes.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 12: I was in university for the pad Bears Super Bowl.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: Oh you're old. You're older than me? Wow? Oh yeah,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's impressive. I was my senior year of
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: high school. Only take a shot.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but I would still take Evan on him for
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 12: a forty yard dash thing, pretty damn good cape.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: For not me. I would pull a hand if I
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: tried to run as fast as I could for forty yards.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: There was a zero percent chance that I wouldn't pull
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: my hands.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: You should see me in the pickup kickball league. Almost
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: ripped the hamstering off the bone.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: More of a three tone guy. Just the fact that
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: you quicker take part.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: In of when's last time you sprinted?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: Sprinted? Yeah?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: Me, you too?
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: Oh I covid covid yeah. I was running a lot
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: in COVID and I used to sprint at the ends.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, well I sprint.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 12: Uh, I sprint all the time. I'm I'm a basketball referee, so.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: You don't sprint if you're a basketball That's like saying
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: Marcus smartt plays good tough defense.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 12: Oh I just uh, I just did the I just
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 12: did a game last weekend here in Vancouver with the
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 12: the provincial under seventeen boys team versus a university university team.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 12: I thin because they the evincial teams going the national next month,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 12: and they wanted to practice seven second offenses. So I
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 12: was up and down that court.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: Real real foun Yeah, courts base.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: I'm a little surprised that basketball not hockey up there.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 12: Uh yeah, well Paul, Yeah, I know it's only half
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 12: one there. But I run fifty k's a week too,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 12: so oh wow. So I do do a storiety of stuff.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 12: But anyway, I got a question for you with the
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 12: NBA had their draft last week and the NHL, well,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 12: right now it's all going around two to seventh right yep,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 12: And both of them are going to start free agency
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 12: next week. But the NFL has it the other way around.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 12: I know the current system came about more from litigation
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 12: than really planning, but I do kind of think it's
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 12: backwards for the NFL because there's way more players drafted
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 12: in the NFL are going to play next year than
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 12: it's going to especially in NHL. Right it's maybe three
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 12: or four guys that might be there next year. They're
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 12: drafted this yesterday today, and the team purposes, building purposes,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 12: don't you think it's better to you, you know, and
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 12: it's more opportunity to get best player available there first
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 12: and then plug your needs in free agency. And then
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 12: for the players, I think it's beneficial to them that
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 12: they can hold sort of desperate teams over the a
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 12: little bit and they might be able to get rid
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 12: of all these free agencies to wait, they might really
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 12: have rid of these many camps and you know, mandatory
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 12: things that they don't want to go to anyway. So
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 12: I do an you think there's any momentum to change this,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 12: or you just thinks I'm just going to go with
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 12: it and a better system.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: Or yeah, there has been talk about flip flopping the timing,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: and I do understand, I don't necessarily understand what the
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: second part of that was with I don't know how
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: that would impact.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: Not if free agency is not until May one?
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: Oh no, they would never do that, right, They would
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: move the draft up. I wouldn't because you can't push
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: the Yeah, think about when free agency is for the
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: NFL and I mean the NBA. In the NHL, it's
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: like two weeks after the season. It's the same timing
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: as the NFL. The difference is the draft coincides with it,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: and for some reason they have the draft two months
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: later in the NFL, And people have talked about that,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: wouldn't it make more sense? And I agree from if
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: I were an owner, I would rather have the draft
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: than free agency because now I'm not necessarily having to
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: spend one hundred million dollars to get somebody because I
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: desperately need that somebody. So I think now I can
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: see if I can fill it in the draft, and
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: then if I can't, then I do free agency.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: I just I think that the the main thing to
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: me that presents the issue there is is planning in
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: prep work for the draft for the pro personnel side
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: gets really difficult because the.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: Coach is not going to change.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: But right, I mean, you know, the coaches like Bill
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: Belichick's to the GM and he's making the picks. He's
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 5: coaching until you know, mid January or early January, and
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: then you're telling him that he's got a draft in
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: two months instead of three or four months. Like that's
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: that's a really quick turnaround.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, I would do it even quicker than that.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: I think that's too quick because you have the combine
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: you have.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: I would have it. I would have it at the
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: beginning of March. I would have it the season ends,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: first week of February. I'll give you a few weeks.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: But it's never going to go back because they've turned
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: it into a money making machine with the nonsense and
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: they're not competing now.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 5: It's a completely nonsense, yeah, especially now with the next
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: gen type stuff. But it's it's also spreads out the
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: calendar so that you have these these different.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: The NFL's relevant all your cycle point.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: Right, they'll they'll never change it back. But the other
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: sports have to do the same thing. Like you have
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: your scouts and your general managers are the ones that
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: make the picks in the draft.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: Right, But I think in other sports for the most part,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: and some teams in the NBA I don't even know
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: if this is true in the NBA anymore. They're like
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: Tom Thibodeaux. I remember he was like everything at one
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 5: point in time, but that doesn't happen quite as often,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 5: I feel like, and there's not as much overlap. I
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: don't know, I feel like it would be really difficult.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: I come at it from an angle of in the
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: media and the cramming in the draft prep because you're
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: all Pro football in the in the in the fall
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 5: and winter, and I'm not even doing anywhere near the
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: amount of work.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: You have. A team of scouts are department.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, they still have
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 5: to have you know, in our case, the head coach
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: go through the scouting how many times do you hear.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: The term that guy really rose or fell in there?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: Because that's when the coaches get involved. And I would
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: argue that that's probably a bad thing.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: I would say that it's it doesn't need to be
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: quite as much time. I would agree, But I I
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 5: think the biggest thing is in like the Combine, it's
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 5: a it's a ratings bonanza, so they're probably going to
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: keep it for the money side of things, but they
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: they could literally do away with the Combine and the
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: league itself wouldn't suffer from it. Now they need the
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: medical checks and they and they in the in person
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 5: interviews I think are important as well. That happened in Indie.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: But the actual event on the field, the forty that
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: type of stuff, if it wasn't a money making machine,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: they don't. It's not practical. They don't need it any day.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: But the Pro Days is the big thing for me
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: as well. And if you're gonna you have all these
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: schools that hold these pro days and in these scouting
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: departments and coaches need to go to all the pro days,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: you need to. You need to leave a little bit
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: of an alley.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: That's why they can run so bad at it.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: Do you think ten years the Combine is gonna be around.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: Ultimately, Yes, because I can't imagine the NFL giving up
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: the money. But I mean there's teams that didn't even
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: go to the Combine this year. Some of the really
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: analytically driven and younger regimes didn't even go. And nowadays
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 5: you have all this this data from like next gen
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: technology where you can get in game speed like how
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: they're running in actually doing their their jobs instead of
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: just running in spandex and in the combine.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 5: The only difference is is that that data only goes
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 5: back so far, whereas a scout that's been doing this
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: for one hundred years, he has forty times for generations, right,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: so he can say, you know, compare that his hand
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: times from this year to ten years ago. And maybe
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: you wouldn't be able to do that with the chip,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: you know, the next gen stuff.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: But I don't know.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: It's it's a cram session.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: They're never It's never going to happen for all the
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: reasons that we already said. But I could understand the rationale.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: The other three sports basically do it differently, but it's
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: never going to change. Has become a huge thing in
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: the NFL.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: I also don't even see it as a as a
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: advantage to the veteran players that are free agents to
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: have the draft being first. I think it's actually a disadvantage.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, I think it would be an advantage to the teams,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: the owners. Yeah, I agree with you.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: An off season change i'd like to see is set
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: like a tampering period or a free agency for coaches,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, two weeks after the Super
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: Bowl like now, he like all coaches.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: So the so the question the problem with that is
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: that you know that there's tampering going on anyways. Jonathan Gannon, Hello,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: But at the same time I agree with you one
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: hundred and ten percent that it's an absolute mess. It's
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: a conflict of interest across the board.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: And you're right.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: The best thing to do is to say we're all coaching.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: Hiring is going to start, you know, after the Super Bowl.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: But the problem with Dad is that you lose a month, right,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: So the teams that are eliminated don't make the playoffs,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: they want to get to work, right, and so you
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 5: lose all that time. But I'm with you on that
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: as well, that it's it's it's totally a mess.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: So I want to end sort of where we started
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: with Devonte Parker because I wanted to get you you
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: had some numbers on his targets and whatnot. Analytically, you
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: want to repeat those a little bit because those are
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: positive numbers for Parker.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so on a per target per reception basis, he
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: was one of the better big play receivers in the
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 5: league last year, uh seventeen point four yards per reception.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: He didn't qualify for the the leader board and yards
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: per reception, but would have been top five in the
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: league if he had eleven point five yards per target
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: at a ninety two wide receivers that's the second best,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: only behind Jalen Waddle and yards per target. And he's
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 5: a guy that doesn't drop very many passes. I think
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: he had one drop all of last year. So the
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: nerds the math does like him quite a bit other
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: than the separation metrics.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: So that was Warren Shops, So I'm going to ignore
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: I'm just kidding with Warren. I'm going to ignore him.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: So true what's true media?
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: True media is like any like a PFF for They're.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: Fine, Okay, So I read this today. He ranked fifty
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: six in the league and yards per route run and
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: didn't rank in the top one hundred and fifty and
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 4: targets per route. He only had one game all year.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 5: With eighty it's the Baltimore game.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: So I think there are metrics to sort of the
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: reason I bring this up. And I'm going to end
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 4: the same way I started. I'm perfectly fine with having
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: Devata Parker on my team. I worry about what it
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: might mean down the road, not fact, not factually just
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: concern like, does it mean no Hopkins? Does it mean well,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: we're a little worried about a guy like the Wharton specifically,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: but on a lesser extent Booty and Douglas. Do we
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: not see anything from them? Are we so concerned that
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: we need to have veteran receivers under contract for twenty
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: four and beyond. I'm a little concerned about that. Tease.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: Final thoughts on Parker Yep, I like it whatever, like
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: above average receiver, one of the Like, he's fine. I
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: like it.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: Still go for Hopkins, though I wish everybody on Twitter
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 5: had the same read back attitude as Matis.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 6: I like Parker more than I think most people do.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 6: I am excited to give him another year and a
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 6: more competent functional offense, to see what happens, just along
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 6: for the ride.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: If you let like, if you let him go, if
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: you trade him like I think you're, I think there's
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: more value to keeping him on the team than let
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: him walk or trading him or cutting him this off season.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: I will say when he when he did miss time
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 5: with that concussion last year, it was kind of a
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 5: reflection of where they were. But you did kind of
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: feel like he could help.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: If they punted every possession with him and they punted
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: every possession without him. Okay they did.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: It's harsh.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: They like third from the bottom and three and outs
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: something like that.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Making my goal to get him to come out of this.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: I think I.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: Tooks.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that's happening.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: I don't make it happen.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 5: Okay, I trust you. He doesn't like me. No, No,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: I'm just kidding.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: He trust her. She's broken hearted because Marcus Smart is
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: on the Memphis Grizzlies, and you trust.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: Him broken hearted. I'm a grisliness fan.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: I trust her to see when we're in the locker room.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: A little little behind the scenes here, we're in the
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: locker room. They love talking to Alex. They don't like
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: talking to me as much because I want to, like
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 5: I want things that they can't tell me, you know,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 5: like what route were you running here?
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: What where?
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: What was the play call there?
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: Or whatever?
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: But like, yeah, Alex keeps it light.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: They think I'm like, they come up to her.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: What's going on? What's me?
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 5: They're like, I can't say anything in front of this kid,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: So give me the side, Alex, do you want to
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: mint it? On Marcus Smart, you want to pour one out.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: You were here when this happened.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: I know I took so I was packing for a
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: flight when the trade's all happening.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, Brogdon's gone.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 6: Okay, Brad, I see you, like this is a piece
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 6: we need cool wake up at three thirty am to
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 6: catch my flight. My favorite players not on the team anymore.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 6: It was a sad day. I don't get it. I
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 6: was like, okay, like the two draft picks must have
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 6: really swayed it here. Then the draft came and I
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 6: just I don't know.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: I don't like it.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 5: Can I ask you? And I'm not being being optusey?
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: He or what?
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: What made Marcus Smart your favorite player? Because I did.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: He definitely has.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: The way he plays.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 6: I would have loved to play basketball with him. He
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 6: he's just gritty, he cares.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: I love the way he sees the game. I like
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: the way facilitate the way you were.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: Were you a big scorer?
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: I was a point guard. I was pretty scrappy.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, so you wouldn't have minded playing with him? Then
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: that would be fine because you're not really looking for
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: the ball to score or do anything. So no problem.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 4: If I'm Jason Tatum or Jayaln Brown, I don't necessarily
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 4: want to play with that.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: Who is the assist leader on that team. I don't
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: even know what.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: The numbers were, but assist leader.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: I like defensive basketball. I think I do too. They
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: want to get back to that, and I.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: Think, and I think this is a state to continue.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 6: To make some moves because I think we lost a
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 6: lot of our heart, we lost a lot of our grit.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: I'm using our two which.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: I haven't done a while, and he lost We gotta,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: you know, against a little bit. But this is my
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 5: one little pushback about the heart and soul of the
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 5: Celtics going to UH to Memphis all playoffs long. And
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: I defend the Celtics. I'm a green teamer, I'm a
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: season ticket holder. I love the Celtics to death all
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 5: playoffs long. Though I hear about they have no balls,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 5: they have no grit, they have no toughness. They they
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: wilt in the biggest moments, and now they've lost their
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 5: heart and now they've lost they lost.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 6: That great Always you can find me saying on this
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 6: radio show, they have one point five dogs on this team.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 6: Marcus and Kind of like and Derek White and now.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know, so do you think?
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 6: And this is my it's also Tatum's favorite player ever
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 6: he's ever played with.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: That means something to me. When that's my star I'm
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: building my franchise around.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: I'll get over it.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: I don't think he cares enough.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: So here here's my thing, my one thing that I'm
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 5: hopeful for. And I want your take on this. What
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: if in order for Tatum to be be the dog,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: to be the alpha, they needed to move Marcus out
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: of the picture, Like what if this Tatum now sees this,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 5: this leadership void, this this you know, alpha toil it?
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 6: Or do you think it's gonna be Jalen taking upon
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 6: himself because I I'll tell Jalen.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to any of those. As
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: you know, I am well established. I worry about things
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: that haven't happened. I just know that it wasn't going
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: to happen with Marcus Smart being in that alpha role.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: It was not ever going to work.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 6: But I don't think he necessarily wanted to be in
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 6: the alpha role. I think he was like, all right,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 6: no one else has all I.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: Think it was like all right, if no one else
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: is gonna give a damn.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 4: I just guess the last five minutes of a close
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 4: game where he doesn't have to be out there. That's
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 4: what I'm most looking forward to. I think we're gonna
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 4: so maybe when different this one guy completely uncovered, that
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 4: guy might be able to.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna miss the smart.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: When he made it. I would have to have heard
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 4: that to miss it.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, you know the six games. I watched it the
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: greatest bar. I'm screaming it.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: But we'll see, we'll see. It's gonna be an interesting
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 6: I think the move itself on paper is like probably
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 6: a good move.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: We had a lot of guard depth, I think.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 6: I mean I told you like, I'd like to have
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 6: a guy like Siam or someone come in. We need
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 6: like a big Al's too old now, So it's like
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 6: on paper, I like the move it just like I
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 6: liked it better when it was Brogden.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we all liked it better when it was brogged.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 5: I agree with that. But Paul, don't tell because I
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 5: have to. I have to bring this up in front
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 5: of Alex. Paul told me when this trade happened that
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 5: Brogden is a better defender than Marcus Smart.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 4: He's a better player.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: I said, defensive player of the Year.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: He's told me that a number of times. I'm well
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 4: aware that he was the d p O Y better
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 4: defellow player.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: I think we'll see it all. We'll see it all
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: shake out next year.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 4: I think they're comparable defensively. I think they both sucked defensively.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 4: Do you think I think. I think his career Brockton
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 4: was a good defensive player. I don't think he was
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: last year, Okay, but I know Smart wasn't. All right.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 5: Well, we gotta wrap. We gotta land this plane. That's
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: my job to land the plane. So let's see how
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 5: this goes. We we don't have a show on Tuesday
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 5: because it's America's birthday, so we take the back Thursday.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 5: We back on Thursday. I think everybody's back. I think
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 5: the gang is back. I want to I do want
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 5: to take take a minute to thank Matisse, thank you
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 5: for filling in. And you won't have to hear me
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 5: host next week because I think.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: Du is coming back. I don't have to.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 6: I don't have to watch Duce's house anymore, saying I've
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 6: been staying at Chateau Deuce. I don't know if the
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 6: listeners know holding it down.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 5: I can't say see you next Tuesday, so we'll see
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 5: you next Thursday.
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