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Cop Uses Brick To Subdue Suspect: NYPD’s Stu Friedman · NYPD Through The Looking Glass

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: So we got into a vacant lot.
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_00: In those days there was a lot of burnt out buildings.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: So there was a a building that was half demolished, a lot of bricks.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: The guy started throwing bricks at us and we tackled him, we were fighting with him, and he picked up a brick to hit my partner.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I pick up a brick and I smacked him in the head and and you know, he almost went unconscious.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: I opened him up pretty well.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we called for assistance at 13 units were coming.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: The sergeant gets there, he goes, What happened to him?
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I hit him with a brick.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: He said, You what?
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I hit him with a brick.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: He says, I don't think you could put that in paper.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, I did.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: I hit him with a brick.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: He says, All right, say what you want.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I put that in the arrest report.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: That was my use of force.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: I used a brick.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I got to the district attorney's office.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, uh, explain to me how you hit this guy with a brick.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I picked it up off the pile.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: There was a pile of bricks.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: He was throwing them at us and hitting us and I hit him in the head.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: She said, I don't know how you how are you going to testify to that?
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, here were my options.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: Shoot him or hit him with the brick.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: What do you prefer?
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she said, the brick.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Today's guest is retired NYPD sergeant Stu Friedman.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's the author of several books, including Beneath the Concrete Jungle, Undercover Beauty, My Walk Amongst Heroes, and his latest Heroes of the Connecticut State Police.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Stu Friedman, welcome to the show.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much, Vic.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm always honored to be with you.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're a great guest, and I really appreciate you coming on.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: Stu, for the our listeners who didn't see you the last time, tell our listeners a little something about yourself.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm a retired uh NYPD sergeant.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I started out my career in the Transit Police, worked in District 3, I worked anti-crime, moved on to citywide anti-crime, eventually into a citywide robbery task force, which was part of the Detective Bureau.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: So that would be called the White Shield Detective Pact in those days.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: And uh got promoted to detective in 1981.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: I was assigned to the Major K-Squad.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: I worked three years in the Major K-Squad and then I got promoted to sergeant.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: As a sergeant, I took over a citywide patrol services unit, which uh handled demonstrations, parades, uh civil unrest, and also school conditions, anything with crowd conditions.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then a few months later I was moved to the K9 emergency service unit to work at night.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the dogs were in New York.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't have my own canine, but I had a truck that would transport them to do building searches, searches for people, lost property, things that uh required their uh expertise, you know.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh from there I went to the warrant division.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was detached from transit police, went to the NYPD Warrant Division, I worked in Central Warrants for several years, then I went to the Bronx Warrant Squad and was promoted again to Sergeant SDS, which is supervisor detective squad.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: Went back to the Major K Squad, worked there for two years, then I went to the um borough of detectives for transit, then with the merge I went to the 4-7 precinct, the 5-0 precinct, uh, eventually working in Bronx Homicide, and that's where I retired from in 1996.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: What years were you active with the NYPD?
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: I spent five years detached from 1986 through 91 when I was promoted, and then from 94 through 96.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: So seven years in transit I worked from 1974 up until 86 when I was detached, but I was still actually with transit, and then came back for the two years when I was promoted and then the merged, Kirk.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: You've written a bunch of books, and I I gotta get to them.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: I read Beneath the Concrete Jungle, and I didn't ask you this the last episode.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: Every cop's worst nightmare is to lose a prisoner, and you have a story about that in the 4-6 precinct that almost gave you a heart attack.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was uh coming home from work, I worked out at the Transit District 3 in Upper Manhattan.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was driving home, I was on the Grand Concourse, and I witnessed a car accident.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't a very serious accident, but I noticed the driver jumped out and took off running.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I I said, I gotta get this guy.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I chased him with my car, grabbed him, and it turned out to be a stolen car.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I had a GLA arrest, grand loss in the auto, leaving the scene of an accident.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: And uh the 4-6 precinct came, they drove me to the precinct, and when I walked in, there was an officer there that he knew my brother.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: My brother was on the job four years before me, and he said, Hey, you know, I know your brother, I'm gonna help you out.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, come into this room here and cuff the guy here, we'll cuff him to this chair here, and we'll go out and get some paperwork.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Go to the desk, the sergeant will give you what you need.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I go out to the desk and I get all the paperwork and I walk back in, and I noticed the gate that covers the window was open, the door, the the window was up, and I see my cuffs dangling from the chair.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking, oh my god, this guy, he left my prisoner alone, then the guy got loose and jumped out the window.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I went running past the desk and I yelled, My My prisoner escaped, and I pulled out my gun, I jumped down the stairs to the priest, and there's like six cops leaning against the car, including the one that met me when I came in.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Slow down, buddy.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: He says, We're only joking.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: We put him in the cells.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the 4-6, he tells me.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it was a good experience.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's a heavy, as you know, to lose a prisoner.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean Oh, yeah, it's big time, yeah, sure.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: Did there was a story for your boy, another story I got a kick out of that.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: You once had to subdue a prisoner in Harlem with a brick.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what happened was uh all the the entire department went back to uniform one time due to the uptick in crime.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: That included detectives, and we were in a citywide anti-crime unit.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: They brought everybody back.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: But the captain, he he picked me and another officer to work together to get summonses.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, You guys can work in plain clothes, hang out, and go to the bad stations and you know, get some people with summonses.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: If I show a lot of summonses, I'll justify you guys working in plain clothes.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: So we went out there and we dressed as um, you know, track workers that looked like we worked for the Transit Authority.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: So people were saying, Hey, you see the cops around.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: We were on 110th Street and Lennox Avenue, which was known for high drugs, firearms, all of that.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we said, no, we didn't see the cops.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: So people kept jumping over the turnstile, nobody paid.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: Then what we do is once the train came in, we identify ourselves and grab everybody.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: So we grabbed a couple of guys, and two guys were cooperative, and one guy just started mouthing off to us.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: He gave us his uh release papers from Rikers Island as his identification.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: So once we gave him the summons, he he kept saying while we were writing it, I'm not taking the summons, I'm not taking the summons.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: And we gave him the summons and he tore it up into little pieces through it.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: So we said, Are you under arrest?
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then the fight started.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: So my partner and I are actually fighting with him, we're rolling on the platform, he jumps onto the tracks and goes through the tunnel.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: So my partner took off after him.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: So we had a car upstairs.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I ran up to the car to go to 116th Street.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: By the time I got to 116th Street, he was out of the station running.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: My partner came up, but he was bleeding heavily from the knee.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: The guy threw him down on the track and he cut his knee.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: So we got into a vacant lot.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: In those days, there was a lot of burnt-out buildings.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: So there was a building that was half demolished, a lot of bricks.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: The guy started throwing bricks at us, and we tackled him, we were fighting with him, and he picked up a brick to hit my partner.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I pick up a brick and I smacked him in the head, and and you know, he almost went unconscious, and I opened him up pretty well.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we called for assistance at 13 units were coming.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: The sergeant gets there, he goes, What happened to him?
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I hit him with a brick.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: He said, You what?
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I hit him with a brick.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: He says, I don't think you could put that in paper.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, I did.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: I hit him with a brick.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: He says, All right, say what you want.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I put that in the arrest report.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: That was my use of force.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: I used a brick.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I got to the district attorney's office.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, uh, explain to me how you hit this guy with a brick.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I picked it up off the pile.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: There was a pile of bricks.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: He was throwing them at us and hitting us and I hit him in the head.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: She said, I don't know how you how are you gonna testify to that?
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, here were my options shoot him or hit him with the brick.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: What do you prefer?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she said, the brick.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: She said, Okay, as long as you could justify it.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then the funny thing was, uh, with that case, it was a felony assault to my partner.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: But the district attorney said, Listen, I'm gonna treat it as a misdemeanor case, which we were very much against because my partner took five stitches.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, You don't understand if we go to um felony court, you know, Supreme Court with this, five stitches on an officer's knee is not gonna result in a guilty verdict.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: She goes, I go to criminal court and treat it as a misdemeanor.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: The people here hear cases, they're gonna say a cop got hurt, got five stitches.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's a bigger deal in criminal court than in Supreme Court.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: We're bound to get a conviction.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: And she was right.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: We went to court a year later, we testified, and he wound up getting the full year.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas she thought that in Supreme Court I probably would have been dismissed.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: So if he got a year, that means he went right back to Rikers Island.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: Went right back, yeah, sure.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: Did you have to voucher the brick?
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: I I did voucher the brick, actually, I did.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: Did you really?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I did.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: I had blood all over it.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: I did, I vaccinated.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: You were in anti-crime a lot early in your career, and you also did undercover work.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Can you go into your undercover training and and the type of work you did?
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, undercover, you know, everyone is when I see a plain clothes person, they say uh he's working undercover, but that that isn't the truth, as you know.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, undercover is uh a little more dangerous.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the first time I worked undercover, I was in a robbery task force, and uh we had information on uh where people were selling tokens out of token bags, which are usually the proceeds from a booth stick-up, you know, booth robbery.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: Back in those days, you know, everybody had tokens, not Metro cards, a lot of cash in the booths.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: So we had information, so I was wired up by detectives.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: Back then we didn't have the the Kell recorders where you could listen to the transmissions and things.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: I actually had to wear a recorder in my back, and they, you know, of course took my police ID in case I was searched, but I had a gun tucked down into my groin.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: If they went for the recorder, I was gonna have to draw my gun.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: But I was able to knock on the door, there was a certain knock I had to use.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: I was on a third floor walk up, and I was entered, there were two guys in the apartment.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: I was able to buy the tokens, and while you're sitting there, you know, as an undercover, I have to memorize everything in the apartment because eventually they're gonna get a search warrant.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: We have to know the layout.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: Back then you didn't have the building blueprints like you today, you can go online and just about get anything.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to make note of which was the uh fire escape window, where there was a phone, you know, those things, you know.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: You have to pay attention to who you're dealing with, but you also have to remember what you're doing.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, for you're there for a reason.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other undercover work I did after that was I would go into a jewelry store after we had jewelry that was taken from the property clerks, we'd get it appraised at a authentic jeweler, know its value, and I would wear a tank top, and you know I'm covered with tattoos, and they would spray me with a water bottle so it looked like I was sweating, and I'd run into a jewelry store in the diamond district with a broken clasp on the jewelry on the chain and say, I want to sell this.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Now they're supposed to get my ID, you know, weigh it correctly.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: And believe it or not, nine out of ten jewelers did the right thing.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: They would either say, Listen, I don't want this, or you know, we can't take this, and if you don't have ID, get out.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: Or just, you know, they don't want no part of me.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: But there's always that one guy that would say, uh, yeah, listen, I know it's worth 300.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: He's offering me$50 because he just would know that I'm gonna take it, thinks I'm a junkie.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: So then I did a lot of stakeout work, which isn't really undercover work, but in certain instances, once I was uh cleaned the station, I was working as a porter because there were numerous robberies there.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I I it was hard to hide.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: It was in the Bronx.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I w I went around cleaning the station all day like I was a porter.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: I actually did a good job.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: But we did catch a guy for robbery.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: We did.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: When you went when you did that token booth, um you went up into that apartment for the token booth robbery.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: How'd you get in there with that CI information?
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we had a guy that was a CI to the detectives, but the detectives wanted to put me up there.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: They they thought I looked younger, because I wasn't I was in my twenties at the time, and they thought that I would look more I don't know what the correct word is, more street people where I'd be able to be more realistic than they were because they're in suit and ties and everything else.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: So they used me for that.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: Were you able to get a buy out of it?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, no, I did.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: I bought uh I think it was twenty-five dollars worth of tokens at that time.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: No tokens were I think a dollar, not you know, maybe not even.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: But uh I I bought that max you know, for twenty-five dollars they gave me X amount of tokens, which was a lot more than you would have paid normally.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what I did.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: And uh of course I voucher those and they they make another buy, and then after a certain amount of buys, then they hit the place.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: They have to do it rather quickly because they don't want them to be all out of tokens by the time uh you you get your warrant.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: I know transit used to take that very seriously.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Did you guys also go after the guys with the slugs?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, I didn't, you know, but there was a unit that did do that.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um we used to catch people with they would suck tokens out of the thing, and they blocked the thing.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Can you explain that?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Can you explain that for our listeners?
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'll tell you, we uh we got some good information on the homicide with that.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um my partner and I were in anti-crime, and in anti-crime, you know, you're pretty much looking for crimes against people.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're looking for assaults and robberies and grand larcenies and weapons.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: And one day it was a slow day, we were just hanging out, and uh we saw a guy that he kept putting paper in where the slot where the token goes.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: They would put paper in there or a piece of gum.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: So when the person put their token in, the clerk, you know, that could see that they're banging the turnstile, they can't get through.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: So they tell him, you know, I put my token in.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's the clerk would tell him, go through the exit gate.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: They go in.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Once the train leaves with all the passengers, the person comes back and starts sucking out the tokens that were pushed in there.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: They put their lip over it and they suck out.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like siphoning gas.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you know, they would only click get a couple of dollars, but these weren't uh, you know, these weren't big thieves, obviously.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: They were street people.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: So we caught a guy doing that one day and we said, now we'll just search him, see if he has a weapon.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: And surprisingly enough, he had a warrant, but he gave up information on a homicide, which happened to turn out to be good information.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: So you never know what you're gonna get when you grab somebody for a small crime.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Were they able to clear the homicide?
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's another story.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think we might have spoken about it my first uh interview with you years back, but they we had information, they were detectives interviewed the guy, and they actually said this is credible information.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: And they actually assigned us to the Detective Bureau, my partner and I, because this guy would only deal with my partner and I.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: We were very good to him.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it turns out that they had the name of a shooter, but the shooting occurred after everybody was at a housing project um dance, which was set up by the mayor's office to keep people uh of high school age off the streets.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was a safe street project.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of uh having kids hanging out in the streets on Friday, Saturday nights, they would hold dances in a housing project.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: The housing authority set the whole thing up with the school system.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: People work in the door were usually off-duty police, but what the problem was people in the housing and the not so much the housing, but the school were letting in people that didn't attend the school.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: They were letting in drug dealers.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: So there was a drug deal that went down, the people didn't get paid, they followed the people and wound up shooting two people, killing one.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: And when it turned out that this turned out to be the case, that the housing authority was involved, the school system was involved, off-duty police working the doors, they said, listen, we don't want to pursue this.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: This came from the mayor's office.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want this pursued until the next election.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because it looks bad for the mayor.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: He sets up a program and two kids wind up getting shot.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: And you know how political things could be.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And this was in uh 1976, I believe.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: So uh an arrest was eventually made, but it didn't get made until maybe two years later.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: They deferred it.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: They deferred it.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, they sure did.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: We were warned.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: We were called down to headquarters and told uh everything you have is confidential, it's being handled by another unit, which we knew what that meant.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: I you know, the detective explained to me.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: I said, What other unit is there?
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Listen, this is what's going on, and just don't talk about it.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that was it.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I was a young cop at the time, and there was no one to really talk to.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: In today's world, that I don't think happens as often because there's too much social media, there's too much you know, people talk about everything now.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Back then, you know, you were told to keep your mouth shut, you kept your mouth shut.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's so true.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's so true.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: Some of the greatest stories were never told.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's correct, right.
• 15:32
  unknown: Yeah.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: Stu, you were an undercover in a buy and bust operation that targeted six subway station robberies.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it wasn't robberies.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: What happened was uh the drug abuse center for New York State, they did a survey of crime in the subways and found that there was a lot of uh there were six stations, mostly near methadon centers, that were being uh used for drug sales.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: People would get their methadon, sell it, people were selling pills, marijuana was a big thing at the time.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: They notified the NYPD narcotics bureaus that were in the confines of these locations, but they had trouble sending in their undercovers because communication was bad.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: As you know, an undercover has to be ghosted.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Ghosted, for those that don't know, it's somebody that's keeps them in sight, follows them, makes sure they they stay safe.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: And they didn't want to do it because they didn't want to risk their undercovers, which was understandable.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: So they deferred that investigation to transit.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I just got promoted to detective.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I was known within the Detective Bureau that I was covered with tattoos at the time.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: I had a large beard, long hair, ponytail.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: So they just said, would I be willing to work undercover and make buy and bus operation?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I would be on my own, you know, because I really didn't have anything uh anybody to watch me.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I did it.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: I went down into the subways, and once I took off my jacket, it was it was actually cold weather.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I would roll up my sleeves, take off my leather jacket, and as soon as everyone saw my tattoos, don't forget it.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was offered pills and marijuana, and I would I would make the buys with pre-recorded money, and then I would just go upstairs and tell the two detectives, everybody who I just bought from, they would go down there and grab everybody.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it was supposed to be a six-week operation, but what happened was we were making so many arrests, and they didn't know about that at headquarters until each week we would send them a report.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: And after the fourth week, the chief of detectives said, What's going on here?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Every every time they make an arrest, it's a reported crime.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm bringing up the crime stats.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: So they said, Okay, four weeks is enough.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll report back to them.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: And that was it.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: That was what I did.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds like CompStat now.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: If they don't know about it, they don't want to hear about it.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but every arrest is a crime.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it is a reported crime.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's a statistic.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't have the arrest, there's no crime.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: So something's just never changed.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Stu, three days after being shot, you were off duty and you made a gun gun collar in the 5-0?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was another uh I almost got in trouble for that, believe it or not.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: But uh I know why, but go ahead.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, I got shot in uh 1981 in May, and um I was out of the hospital within two days, and on the third day a friend uh said, Why don't you come over, I'll make you dinner.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: And they lived within the confines of the 5-0 precinct.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I went there, had dinner, and I was leaving, and I got into the elevator, and there was three people who got in on the the floor that I under the floor that I had just gotten in on.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: I got in on the fifth floor, they got in on the fourth floor, and they were speaking in Spanish, and it was a couple, because they were actually interlocking arms, so I knew they were together, and the guy they spoke to opened his coat up and he showed a nine millimeter tucked into his waistband.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now back then, nine millimeters weren't uh as prevalent as they were now.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that was like everyone knew that that was a a gun for bad guys.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Cops didn't have them.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: We weren't allowed to have them back then.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: And uh right away I just went into police mode.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: As soon as the doors opened to the elevator and the couple stepped out, I took out my gun, I pressed it against the guy's back.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: I told him, Don't move.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't grab the gun from his waistband because my arm was in a sling from being shot.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: I told him, get on your knees.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: He got on his knees, I pushed him down to the floor with my body, and there was an apartments on that level floor, and I started banging on the door with my foot, telling him call 9-11, call 9-11.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: And somebody acknowledged that they were going to do it.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: But within minutes, like ten guys in plain clothes ran in.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: And they, you know, cuffed the guy for me, asked me where I worked, what was I doing, and it turned out that they were from major case narcotics.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: They had been following these three.
• 19:24
  unknown: Oh.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: And they were concerned as to why I was with him.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I wasn't with him.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: I got into the elevator uh and I had to prove myself.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they took me to the 5-0 precinct, I was in the detective office, and they actually sent the team back to the apartment that I was in to make sure, you know, to verify my story.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, uh I was almost like the bad guy at that point because they don't understand like why I was shot and then in an elevator with this guy with a gun, you know, it was a whole big deal.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then the apartment, they weren't too happy, you know, saying, listen, you're supposed to call up, you you're out sick leave, you know, what are you doing?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: But I didn't even think about that I was out on sick leave.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: I just went into my police mode.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, for those of you that don't know, with the NYPD, when you're out sick, you have to call the health service division in Queens to leave your house.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: And they give you a log number.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you come back an hour or two later, you gotta call back and log back in.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: And if you get caught at a residence without getting that log number, like like Omar Suarez says in his carface, Pauvre C, oh my, because you're gonna lose 30 vacation days and you're gonna get a put a year get put on a year probation.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: So what was the duty captain, because I'm sure the duty captain responded, like, what was his reaction?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, fortunately, I did call health services.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: I did have my log number.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: I was legit for leaving the house.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: They just weren't happy that I took action when I wasn't on you know, full duty or could have been killed, they're telling me.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they they thought I was an idiot, to be honest with you.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, like I told them, I said, listen, I I just reacted.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh once I had my gun out, I had no choice at that point.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: I had to take action.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Where were the 5-0?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Kingsbridge Avenue.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: Kingsbridge Avenue right in front of the precinct.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, there was the old 5-0 was over there, sure.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that I think the new one was open by then.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: It was in the I went to the new precinct.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: The one on uh well, you know, there's Kingsbridge Avenue.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: You remember it used to be on the old Kingsbridge Avenue, there's Kingsbridge Terrace.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Kingsbridge Terrace.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: I apologize.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that's up on the hill.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: I know what you're talking about.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Stu, in 92, you apprehended two perps for another token booth robbery up in the 28th.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what happened was I was a sergeant in the Major K squad, and we got a call of a a booth robbery at 110th Street in Central Park West.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it turned out that two guys had three guys had come downstairs, all armed with guns, and there was a cleaning crew from the transit authority cleaning the station.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: They did that in the middle of the night.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: This was about two in the morning.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: And they took those uh five people and held them at gunpoint and told the clerk in the booth if you don't open the Booth, we're going to shoot these people.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: So they had this hostage situation.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: So of course she opens the booth, lets them in, they rob all the tokens, all the cash, they run upstairs, there's a getaway car with the driver.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: But unjust by chance there was a car from the 2-8 sitting at the red light who had no idea there's a robbery going on.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: But when they see these three guys come running out of the subway station, they know something's not right.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then these guys see the radio car and they panic.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: And they throw the coins and the bags of tokens over the wall into Central Park.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: One guy dives in the car and the car takes off.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: So the radio car puts it over the air and takes off after the car.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: The other two guys run into Central Park.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: They get away, no one can find them, but there's a complete search, emergency service, transit, canine.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody's there, you know, searching for these guys.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Can't find them.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I respond with my uh detective, the detective Noah Sat, his name, he's since deceased, but he responds with me and we go down and I handle the investigation.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: I have detectives doing it, but I'm supervising the investigation.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: So about six in the morning, I'm heading back.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: We have already gone to the 2-8 because we interviewed the two guys that were caught.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: I went back to the station, made sure everything was completed there, but from crime scene, because they had a dust, take photos, all of that.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm heading back.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm driving south on uh Fifth Avenue, and I noticed two guys walking, and they kept looking back, and they kind of fit the description.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I just drove past them slowly, and as I drove past, I noticed they had mud on their feet, on their shoes.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I didn't say anything, you know, or didn't stop them then, because I wasn't at an advantage to do so.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: I drove past them, went around the block to come back in the full circle, and I said to the detective, wouldn't he?
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Those guys have mud on their feet.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: They had to be in Central Park.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they're not going to work with mud on their shoes.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: So by the time we swung around, they had crossed over from the west side of the street to the east side of the street, still walking south on Fifth Avenue.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I was able to drive past them, jump the curb with the car, jump out, as soon as I came out.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: By that time we had nine millimeters.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: So we had our guns out, and they just froze.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I could see the outline of a 38 in one of the guys' pockets.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: I ran right over, grabbed it, he had the gun, cuffed them up.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, they get uh brought to the station house and we do lineups and they're identified as the two guys.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: But a funny thing with that case, we uh go to trial about a year and a half later, and I'm testifying, and you know when you go to court, they they try to uh slip you up, try to make you look like you don't know what you're talking about.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: So the the defense counsel said to me, so you were on the you saw them on the west side of the street, then you saw them on the east side of the street.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Yes.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: And he says, and you pulled up and you were on the east side of the street and you jumped out of the car and you you were you were right there in front of them.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Yes.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, that's impossible because you would have been on the passenger side, you would have been on the far side of them because you'd be on the west side of the street because you're the supervisor.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Man, but I was driving.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Why would you be driving a subordinate?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's against department policy.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: I said, It's not a regulation.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: I like to drive.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, You're telling me you drove a detective, why would you drive the detective?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, I don't know if you've ever been stuck in midtown traffic.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: I love putting on the siren and the bubble in the window, and everybody gets out of your way.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: And the courtroom started laughing.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: And at the end of the trial, they were found guilty.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: They got 25 to life, and the district attorney interviewed the jurors and he asked them, you know, what were some of the deciding factors of the case.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: They said, when that detective, sergeant, said he loved driving a police car with the light in the window and the siren going and getting through everything we he said after that we believed.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: So that little story actually helped get a conviction.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's the little things with w on trial that sticks with the jurors that they believe you.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, this this how can this guy be making this up, but how can he be embellishing?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Why would he say that?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think they all put themselves in that position at one time where they wish they could have done that.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: They wish they could have done that.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Turn out a siren and get through traffic.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, speaking about cars, you've a couple of times in your career you had a commandeer of cars to go after perps?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: Quite a few of cars I did.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you a funny story with commandeering a car once.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: I w I commandeered a car, I was on 145th Street, and they said there was a robbery in progress on a train.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: So they said it was at 168th Street.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: They were holding the train there.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: So it was, you know, I worked midnight, so it was like three in the morning, so I ran upstairs.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: I got a commandeered a gypsy cab, and when I commandeered it, I didn't ask him to drive, I told him to move over.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I drove the car and I kind of drove it kind of hard.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: And the guy was loving it.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, Oh my god, I never drove like this.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're going through the lights and wrong side of traffic.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I got there and I ran down the stairs, and the train was gone.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: They said the train already went south.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: It left a minute ago.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I put over the radio, the train is traveling south.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: The next stop was 145th Street.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I came running up the stairs again to get another car, but he was waiting for me.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Oh, you're back.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Yeah, we got to do it again.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I got back there, and by the time I got there, there was uh a lieutenant and uh an officer meeting the train.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: And uh they they held the doors closed.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: I actually got back there in time, almost beat the train there, which is almost impossible to do.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: But we actually the doors opened and we caught the guy, you know, armed with a butcher knife who had robbed a passenger.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: You had one up in your shell when you were off duty.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was uh actually crime paid for me this time.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: I uh I was shopping for a new car.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was I was just assigned to the Warren Squad uh in the Bronx, and they didn't have a locker for me in the 5-0 precinct.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I was kind of working out of my car.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: I had my bulletproof vest, I had everything.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I always would dress my house.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: I lived in Central Avenue in Yakus.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I had my vest on, I had two guns on, I had two pairs of cuffs on, and I threw on a a light shirt.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was uh I forget the month it was, but it was it wasn't um you know very cold out, but I had to cover my equipment.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm ready to go down, and and my phone rings at home, and I answer the phone, and the car dealer says, Listen, we just got a trailer full of Camaros, that's what I was looking to buy.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was 1989, and he said, Hey, we've got a trailer load in.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: If you come here now, you can have your pick of any one of them.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, All right, you know, let me call my office, tell them I'm I might be a half hour late.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I called him up and I drive to New Rochelle and meet the salesperson.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: We go out into the lot, and as we get into the lot, next door was a Sears, Sears Robock, and I hear a woman screaming, and I look, it's a chainling fence, and I could see a guy grabbing a woman, he's holding a hunting knife, he's dragging her, and he's dragging her into a like an enclosed area behind the Sears Robuck.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: So he comes running out.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: He what he did was he had the knife to cut her bag.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: She was wearing a shoulder bag, and as he starts to run out onto the street.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I tell the salesman, call 9-11, tell him there's an officer in pursuit, and give my description.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I go running parallel to him.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't see me, but I don't want to yell police because we're on opposite, I can't get over the fence yet.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: When we get to the street area together, he jumps into a waiting car.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I flag down the first car, you know, I have my shield out, I got my gun out, the guy stops, and I say, move over.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, No, no, get in, I'll drive.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you know, so I get in the car, and he had a console, and just by chance, I mean sometimes luck plays a big part in uh policing, he worked for Mar Bell, if that that was the company back then.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: He had a a phone in his car, which was unheard of, you know.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: But he was a uh like an executive for now.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, you know, I'll call I said, Yeah, we call 9-11 from his car, give my description, the plate number of the car, and also by luck, they were doing construction entering 95 in New Rochelle, and they put up a temporary red light, and the light was red.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: So all the traffic was stopped, and these guys plowed into the cars like like bumper cars, trying to get through the traffic, hitting cars left and right, but they couldn't get through.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I jumped out, and there was an off-duty detective on his way to work, NYPD, and an off-duty state trooper, because there's an office in New Rochelle.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: They saw me with my gun out and grabbed these guys and start dragging the driver out of the car.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: They ran over him to help.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: And it was a stolen car.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: We recovered the bag.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: So we all went to New Rochelle headquarters and the Westchester Ghana, you know, that was the newspaper there, which I still think exists.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: They uh they came there and you know it was a big deal.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: An arrest, you know, New Rochelle for robbery was a big deal back in those days.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: And they said, Who made the arrest?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: They said, Oh, it was an off-duty cop from New York City.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Oh, can we talk to them?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: They said, Yeah, come and talk to them.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: So they interviewed me, and the next day the headline was New York cop arrests two for robbery.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it said, you know, Sergeant Stu Friedman, NYPD Warrant Division, arrested two.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: And he was shopping at Soundview Chevrolet.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: They're asked me what I was doing in New Rochelle.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: I thought so three or four days later, I go into the car dealer and they uh gave me a standing ovation.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: They said, the owner wants to see you.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I went to the office and said, Can I buy you a lunch right there?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: I said, No, good.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, you know, what kind of car were you looking for?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I told him I was looking for a Camaro.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: So he said, uh, are you trading in a car?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Yeah.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: He says, What are you trading in?
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I showed him, you know, I told him the car.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: He called in the salesperson I was dealing with.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: He says, How much are we giving them for the trade-in?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, uh,$5,400.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, All right, give him full retail,$7,400.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, What car is he getting?
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: He says, uh, he likes the great Camaro.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, What's the price?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, not not the price we show our customers.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: What's my price?
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he said the number, he goes, that's what he's getting the car for.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: And he turned to me and he said, Uh, I got this business from my dad who had it for 40 years, and the whole time he was alive, he tried to get a firm page advertisement and they wouldn't accept any money, and you gave it to me for free.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: That was so cool.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: So uh, yeah, they took care of me there.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, speaking of Westchester County, I mean, for an NYPD guy, you got involved in a whole bunch of stuff off duty in Yonka's.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: You got stabbed up there.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's correct.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was off duty in a restaurant while I was I was having you know.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, wait, hold on, wait, wait.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: What restaurant in Yonka's?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it was a fast food place.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: We were in Nathan's.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we had just got off food and we sat down and uh I hear some screaming and I look over and I see this girl stabbing at another girl, and she cuts the girl, and the girl falls to the floor, and she gets over her, and I just jump right up, and I run over to her and I spin the girl around and I and I say I'm a police officer, and I have my shield in my left hand, you know, my g right hand would always be my gun hand, but I didn't draw my gun out in a crowded restaurant, and she just put the hand, uh her knife hand over her head and came down.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: I put my hand up, she stabbed me in the palm.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I with my uh left hand I punched her and she hit the ground and I got on top of her and I disarmed her.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I arrest her for uh, you know, assault on the girl, assault on me, possession of a weapon, and we go into Yonka's uh central booking, and the Yonka's police said, uh, you can't make the arrest.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: You're from New York.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I can make the arrest anywhere in New York City, in New York State, you know.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: And they were like, Well, you know, uh, you know, we don't want you making the arrest.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, No, I'm making the arrest.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: She stabbed me, I'm making the arrest.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: So they they didn't like me that much.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, I made the arrest.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: And about 20 minutes after we're in central booking, one of the officers comes up to me and says, Some girls asking for you outside.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: Now I knew it wasn't the girl I was with because the girlfriend I was with at the time, she was in the police academy, she was in central booking with me.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, Who could that be?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I went out and I said, Can I help you?
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: And she goes, Yeah, listen, uh, you have my friend in here, and uh, I want to know if I can get my knife back.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Um, which knife?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: She said, The knife that you took from her.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, That's your knife?
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: She said, Yeah.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: I said, You gave it to her?
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, Yeah.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: I said, You knew she was gonna stab another girl, you gave her a knife?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: She goes, Yeah.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Oh, well, come on in, you're under arrest too.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: I locked her up also.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: They really weren't the Yonkers cops, really weren't happy with you after that with two collars.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, people like that that movie, people get lost in Yonkers, you got stabbed in Yonkers.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: I guess.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: On a more serious note, you once um responded to a rape in Queens where the victim was followed from the subway and then forced a gunpoint into a housing project apartment.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what happened was uh we were detectives at the time, this was in probably 82 or so, and um we got a call of a rape in the subway.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: We responded, we found uh a complainant was waiting for us.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: And she explained I got raped in a housing project, you know, three blocks away.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: So we said, Well, listen, that falls under housing, we'll we'll notify a housing officer.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: And she goes, Well, I was on the train, this guy was on the subway with me and rode the subway and kept, you know, like winking at me and looking at me, and then he followed me out of the subway.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then once we got out of the subway, he came up behind me and he put a gun to me and he said, Listen, you're gonna follow me and go with me, or I'm gonna shoot you right here.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: And again, we were working midnight, so it was late at night, two in the morning or so.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: So we said, Okay, we're definitely gonna handle this.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have to call anybody else.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because it began in the subway.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: This is where it started.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: So we went up to the sub- We first we took at the buildings and she wasn't sure which building it was, but then she saw a marking on one of the doors, because you know those lot of graffiti and things, and she said, Yeah, this is this is the building.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: She goes, but I'm not 100% sure of this floor, because I was so shaken.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I said, Well, we'll stop the flo the elevator at each floor, and you look at the doors and see if you recognize anything.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: And when we got up to the fifth floor, she goes, This is definitely the floor, and I know that that's the door.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: So we said, Okay.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: We sent her back down.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: We we were a team of three.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: So my partner and I uh knocked on the door, the other partner went downstairs, and we knocked on the door, and the guy we could hear him moving around, but it took a few minutes to to open the door for us.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, late at night doesn't mean anything.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: He could have been, you know, showering, whatever.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: But he opened the door, he let us in, and we said, Listen, uh, got a little complaint about you.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, What about?
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: We said, uh, did you meet anybody today on the way home?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, Yeah, I met this girl, she came here and she had uh sex with me.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: What's the problem?
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: So we said, uh, it's not a problem, but that's not what she says.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: She says you held her at gunpoint.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Search the whole house.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't got no gun.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we got permission to search, but my partner said, he winked at me and he said, Stu, talk to him.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna check something.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: So he goes and he keeps looking out the guy's windows and he shines his flashlight down, and of course what took him so long was he opened the window and threw the gun out the window, and we s and he spotted it underneath the guy's windows, and we said, uh, okay, you're coming with us.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the case.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: We actually broke the case by him shining the flashlight down, and uh we went to trial a year and a half later and he got some heavy time.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Stu, since we last talked a little over two years ago, you've you've been busy.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: You've written a couple of books, and I just wanted to go through them with you.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: Could you tell us about uh undercover beauty?
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I was very good friends with a girl that uh she was actually the one that was with me when I got stabbed.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh at the time we were dating, she was went into the police academy and became a police officer.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: And she went uh into the 4.0 precinct, and then she picked up a job at the DA's office.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: They were looking for a Spanish-speaking female young in age.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um there was a case where I forget the his last name was Estrada, but he killed three people.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: He left he shot three people, all left for dead, but only uh one survived.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: On Camberling Avenue in the 4.8, he was on America's Most Wanted Pedro, or she was a boxer.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's the And they got him up in Pennsylvania about two years later.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's correct.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so you know the case.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the girl that I was dating and actually lived with, she picked up uh they she called me and said, Listen, the district attorney's office is asking me for uh if I want to volunteer for something.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: I said, if it's a district attorney's office, I I always told her don't volunteer for anything, but uh if it's a district attorney's office, it could be a a stepping stone in your career.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: So she volunteered for it and they wanted a Spanish-speaking uh girl because the girl that survived was Spanish speaking, and and everybody from the district attorney's office were, you know, older guys that had time on the job, you know, because that's a prestigious position.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: And uh she sat with this girl for days and became very friendly with her, and the girl felt very comfortable with her.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: So she was very successful in that assignment, which lasted a few months, and then she went for an interview for narcotics because you know she was very well uh handled in the district attorney's office.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: She did a good job.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: And they took her right into uh Manhattan South Narcotics.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: And as you know, narcotics um can be dangerous as an undercover.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: She was a young female, 21, very pretty, and uh she was very successful.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Alphabet City.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh she was making big buys, she was uh getting to know drug dealers.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: And uh as you also know, undercovers have a two to three year life expectancy because they don't want you to uh get burnt out.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want you to have these uh, you know, get into the lifestyle to say, you know.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: But she worked her entire career as an undercover because she was so successful.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh she worked 14 years, she got injured on the job while working in an ATF task force.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: She eventually infiltrated the mafia.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: She actually portrayed a high-level drug dealer.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: She uh infiltrated the cartels, she she did some big cases.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: She actually worked on a case where the life of Mayor Giuliani was uh threatened, and she was able to break that case as well.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I did a book on her called Undercover Beauty, and it it went very well.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's a very good there's a couple of errors in the book, not not about the story, grammar-wise.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: My editor died in the middle of the book.
• 38:59
  unknown: You know.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, that was that was a little bit of a setback.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: But we got the book out, and it's very successful, very well-received book.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: How was she involved in that homicide up in the 4-8?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: What did they have her doing with that?
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: They just had her babysitting the uh witness, the eyewitness.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the one that's a big deal, that homicide.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: I I was in I was in NSU.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think it happened just before I I did my NSU in the 4-8.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember it was on Camberling Avenue, and they used to have us on those bias posts around the 4.8.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: So you we're I was there for months, and I always remember going by that building, and then John Walsh did the thing on America's Most Wanted.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: And the crazy thing about that is years later, when I was in narcotics, I had a CI that was part of the organization where that guy Estrada was affiliated with that was sent to kill to do that homicide.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: That my CI actually knew him.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Oh yeah, Pedro.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, he lost his way.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: He was like telling me stories about so kind of came full circle.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: So tell us about your other book, um, My Walk Among Heroes.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: That was a book that I did.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um I wanted to recognize people I work with that were either killed in the line of duty, very seriously injured, and highly decorated.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I wrote about all of them.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: I go back in their histories, where they grew up, what they did as far as sports, schooling, and I just give their stories.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: And um that was also a very well-received book.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um I talk about uh you know Patrick Brosnan, everybody knows Patty.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's in my book.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: I talk about uh this guy Wendell Stratford, who was in several shootings, he survived all of his.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: I talk about Gary Brown, who was a Medal of Honor recipient.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: He got shot.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, when he got off duty, he was robbed, but he chased these guys for like several blocks to get the uh building that they were going into and uh gave a lot of information that led to their arrest.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um I have Mike Mazziati, he was in both World Trade Centers.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: He uh he responded to the original bombing, was in the building when the plane was hit, uh the second one.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: He also has two combat crosses from two different gun battles.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, people like that.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: I I I profiled them.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: Armando Rodriguez from the 4-6, Jimmy Gilday was shot in narcotics.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, people had to actually put their lives out there, like everybody does, but I mean, paid some heavy prices sometimes.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: Did you say Jimmy Gilday?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know Jimmy?
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not well.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: He was he wasn't he well, he was in Manhattan North Narcotics, he wasn't there long.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: And in narcotics, the way it works is if you're gonna do a search warrant, they'll usually marry two teams.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's the way it was back then.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Emergency service wasn't doing the entries like they are now.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, unless you really thought like these guys were bombed to the teeth, right?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: We would do it.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: We would go to the range, they were sending us to the range and we would get shotgun training.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: The day before I came in, I was on vacation.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: So the the day I I was I came in the following day after that shooting, and I heard the whole story about they were shooting through the door.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right, and he got hit.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: And there was another guy in the hallway, this guy Fidel, great guy.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: He was wearing baggy pants, and one of the rounds went right through his crotch.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't hit him, but it went right through his pants.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know Jimmy well, he probably wouldn't even remember me, but yeah, I remember he was a I he was in the 4-6, and I think he was in the 5-2.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: He was in the 4-4-5 sergeant for a while.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's correct, right.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm very good friends with Jimmy, yeah.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of those guys.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us about heroes of the Connecticut State Police.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm living in Connecticut for the last 16 years, and I have a lot of friends that are troopers.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I have one friend, he just retired last week, but he was the head of their uh organized crime.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I wanted to profile their stories.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: They did a lot of undercover work, but unfortunately I didn't get any permission from their uh public information officer's office.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: I actually met with the colonel at one point, and they're a very tight organization.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't want to have people that were still working put on written about or any kind of leads.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I understand it, and I'm sure you do too, as a former cop.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: We know that you don't want to let certain things out of the bag, and they didn't know me, and they didn't didn't want things out there.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: So what I did was I wrote about every trooper that was killed in the line of duty from the uh 1908, I believe, was the first one, all the way up to our Aaron Peralthear, which was two years ago.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I again I went back into their histories, their backgrounds.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: I interviewed the families of the survivors, the aftermath, how it affects them.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: I want people to you know you can read stories in the paper, just like in my walk amongst heroes.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: You read about a shooting and you don't really know how it affects the officers.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know how it affects the families, guys that are wounded, their recuperation, how long it takes.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: We just get a briefing and say, wow, that's something.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: But like the death of these officers, they have kids, wives, newlyweds.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one of the main stories in the book is about Russell Bagshaw, who's probably one of the w more well known killings of a trooper in Connecticut.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: He was ambushed in 1991.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: He was married for nine months.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he went to a check on a gun store where there were numerous break ins through the nights.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: So he rolled up onto a place.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: He just put his spotlight on the front of the store just to check if The entry to make sure there was no problems.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: But unbeknownst to him, there were two brothers that had broken in and were in the store at the time.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: And as he held that spotlight, you know, to direct it, one of the brothers opened fired with a nine millimeter that he had gotten from the store, and the bullet struck uh trooper Bagshaw underneath his vest, and he was killed instantly.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he just sat there with his foot on the brake, the car was still in gear.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: He never drew his gun, and he wasn't found for several hours later because no one knew.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he was just there.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: And uh an off-duty firefighter, there was a firehouse across the street, and a lot of these are rural areas in Connecticut, back especially in 91.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: He saw the car sitting there with the light on, and he said, now let me go say hello to the trooper.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: And he found that Russell Bagshaw killed.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: And eventually they caught the two brothers.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: They were able to track a a car and and those guys got heavy time.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm friends now with with Carol Bagshaw, his widow, and I explained how every X amount of years she has to go in front of a parole board and relive the horror that she went through.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um and that's a big part of the story.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's what people don't realize.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: This happened in 1991, and only two years ago she I met her with she went to a hearing here in Connecticut for a parole board.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: She has to relive it.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, twenty-five, thirty years later, she's still living this horror of every time she has to go in front of a parole board for different brothers.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they have different uh parole dates and things.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean one's in for life, but you know, they f they want to commute their sentences and so these are the then the some of them are heartbreaking stories, but I want people to understand what they go through.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have do you have another book in the works you're working on now?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, I actually put out some feelers.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I was gonna do some work, but um right now I'm just lying low.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: I suppose you lie low still.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know about that, but no, I don't have any writings right at the moment.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: But uh I hope to get another one out in a year or so.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think you should.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: I enjoy doing it, you know.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: I know and unfortunately they've all been successful.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: So that that's a good problem to have.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: So Stu, just to recap, what's the name of your books and and where can our listeners pick up a copy?
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, all of my books are on Amazon.com.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um the first book is Beneath the Concrete Jungle, which is kind of a biography and history of my career.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: I enjoyed that very much.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: And uh the second book is My Walk Amongst Heroes, which I talk about people that I I knew that were, like I said, highly decorated, seriously injured, or you know, unfortunately killed.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: I have uh Undercover Beauty, which is about my ex-girlfriend.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we actually were engaged at one point, and uh kind of our history together, how we were back and forth dating and things.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then the last book is My Heroes of the Connecticut State Police.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_00: And they're all if you my name could always just be Googled with NYPD following it, they'll all come up.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Or you could put my name in on Amazon.com, they should all come up.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: We were talking off camera.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'll I'll see if I can put the links in there.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes sometimes YouTube allows me to do it, and sometimes it doesn't allow me to do it.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I'd appreciate that.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: Stu Friedman, thank you so much for spending your time with us today.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: Nick, thank you.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's always a pleasure.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm always honored to sit here and talk with you.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: You were a great cop yourself, and that's why I love talking to you.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 47:10
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• 47:22
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• 47:34
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• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks again, everyone, and I'll see you next week.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: This was great.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.