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America’s 250th Birthday Events | ‘Medical News’ with Dr. Jim Keany · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're list Saints k I AM six forty The bill
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  Speaker 1: Handles show on demand on the iHeartRadio appfi AM six forty.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Handle here on a Wednesday morning, June twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: Bottom of the Hour Jim McKinney, chief Medical Officer for
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  Speaker 2: Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, and our
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  Speaker 2: er doctor. Okay, America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday is
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  Speaker 2: coming up July fourth, and the President is going to
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  Speaker 2: be well, He's going to be heading the festivities as
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  Speaker 2: he should. I mean, our president is the face of
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  Speaker 2: the United States, and sometimes presidents have luck just being
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  Speaker 2: at the right place, right time. For example, Richard Nixon
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  Speaker 2: was around when the moonshot happened, so he was able
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  Speaker 2: to get on the phone and talk to the astronauts
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  Speaker 2: on the moon. Hey, guys, what's going on. How's the weather? Okay, someone,
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  Speaker 2: if you can mute over there, please, In any case,
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  Speaker 2: what is going on with the two hundred and fiftieth
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  Speaker 2: Big celebrations coming and in twenty sixteen, Congress created a
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  Speaker 2: bipartisan commission to coordinate the commemoration of the two hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fiftieth and events that would engage the entire country.
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  Speaker 2: That commission called America two fifty has a July fourth concert.
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  Speaker 2: Block parties is coordinating around the country. A time capsule
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  Speaker 2: is putting into the ground, and that's contributions from each
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  Speaker 2: state and territory. Then you have essay contests for students.
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  Speaker 2: So when President Trump returned to office last year, his
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  Speaker 2: influence had to happen over the anniversary celebrations, and what
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  Speaker 2: he did is created a separate group, Freedom to fifty,
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  Speaker 2: not America to fifty and Freedom two fifty has other events,
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  Speaker 2: the Great American State Fair on the National Mall that
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  Speaker 2: begins later this week. Freedom Trucks, a fleet of mobile
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  Speaker 2: history museums touring the country. A lot of controversy about that,
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  Speaker 2: the history of the country with the administration, and because
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  Speaker 2: of the politics involved, or the accusation of politics, a
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  Speaker 2: number of states in recent weeks have said, nah, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, We're not going to participate in the Trump
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  Speaker 2: plans Freedom to fifty, mainly states that have democratic governors.
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  Speaker 2: No thanks, we want no part of it. So confusion
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  Speaker 2: among state leaders the general public, what's happening?
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  Speaker 3: Where are we going?
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  Speaker 2: America to fifty is a nonprofit charged by Congress to
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  Speaker 2: strengthen our love of country and renew our commitment to democracy.
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  Speaker 2: Programs that educate, engage, unite as a nation. According to
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  Speaker 2: its website, initially also aim to carry out long lasting
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  Speaker 2: projects preserving historical sites, expanding museums, refurbishing landmarks and parks.
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  Speaker 2: And at first the President's team collaborated with America two fifty,
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  Speaker 2: but as you would imagine, tensions emerged to their co's
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  Speaker 2: Freedom two fifty nonprofit within the National Park Foundation, and
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  Speaker 2: it is organizing the Great American State Fair. And the
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  Speaker 2: Congressional Democrats are not very happy with this because of
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  Speaker 2: the transparency issue also around the group's fundraising, including funds
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  Speaker 2: from high dollar donors to interact with the president. I
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  Speaker 2: don't see a problem with that. I mean, you give
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  Speaker 2: a pile of money to this organization, why wouldn't you
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  Speaker 2: hang out with the president. So I don't buy that. However,
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  Speaker 2: the accusation of the Trump organization promoting a sanitized version
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  Speaker 2: of American history, oh you bet, you bet. We downplay slavery,
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  Speaker 2: we up play Americanism not through immigration, but through native
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  Speaker 2: born white guys who have created this country. And that
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  Speaker 2: moves in that direction. So last month you had several
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  Speaker 2: artists Martine McBride Young MC dropped out of the fair
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  Speaker 2: that Trump is pushing, and the President then called for
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  Speaker 2: cancelation of the concerts and said in a post that
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  Speaker 2: he's going to kick off the fair on Wednesday with
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  Speaker 2: an opening ceremony. And I believe he said it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a Trump rally. Do I have that right?
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  Speaker 3: Amy?
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  Speaker 2: I want to get that right before I make the accusation.
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  Speaker 2: Was it the President that said he wants to make
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  Speaker 2: it a Trump rally?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that it was the President specifically.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I want to make that really clear and I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to be wrong on that. And one of
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  Speaker 2: the President's marquee events is that State Fair to begin
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  Speaker 2: fully on Thursday on the National Mall. Daily programming focused
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  Speaker 2: on facelike themes like faith, health, innovation, that's free. There'll
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  Speaker 2: be more than one hundred and fifty exhibits from all
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  Speaker 2: fifty six states and territories showing the very best of
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  Speaker 2: America family friendly attractions, musical performance, other cultural programming. And
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  Speaker 2: as you would guess, the level of participation among each
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  Speaker 2: state is very different. So what's the bottom line, Well,
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  Speaker 2: the President has his ideas even though it's a congressional
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  Speaker 2: nonprofit that is supposed to handle this. And when the
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  Speaker 2: President is unhappy, he puts his own on and we'll
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  Speaker 2: see if there is a rally, if the president is
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  Speaker 2: kicking off the festivities.
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  Speaker 4: He did say it was a rally.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he did say it was well.
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  Speaker 4: He said it's in a video posted Monday night, he
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  Speaker 4: said the event would be the biggest rally we've ever had,
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  Speaker 4: and then he said, I'm thinking about bringing the number
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  Speaker 4: one attraction anywhere in the world, the man who gets
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  Speaker 4: much larger audiences than Elvis in his prime and does
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  Speaker 4: so without a guitar, the man who loves our country
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  Speaker 4: more than anyone else than the man who some say
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  Speaker 4: is the greatest president in history.
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  Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln. No, George Washington, No.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what would be the most successful rally, the most
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  Speaker 2: successful in the most successfu full celebration of America's greatness.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get if you ask the president, just him, that's it, Hi,
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  Speaker 2: Happy Birthday, America, Thank you. And then going into an
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  Speaker 2: hour and a half dia tribe, which is what this
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  Speaker 2: president does. And I know it's a knock, and I
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  Speaker 2: know you know how I feel about the president but
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  Speaker 2: refute that one that he is not going to go
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  Speaker 2: on and on at a rally. Tell me that is
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  Speaker 2: not true. All right now, this came out of the Atlantic,
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  Speaker 2: and boy, that did hit home. And it has to
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  Speaker 2: do with Americans and the elderly. This is not a
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  Speaker 2: good place to get old if you don't have a
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  Speaker 2: pile of money. I'm talking about the United States, and
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  Speaker 2: there are a bunch of reasons for it. The best
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  Speaker 2: place to get old and you have no money. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: as the Netherlands it is.
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  Speaker 3: Why is that?
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  Speaker 2: Because that is a front burner issue for the citizens
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  Speaker 2: of the Netherlands. They want to take care of elderly
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  Speaker 2: and they spend more money, state money taking care of
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  Speaker 2: the old people. And these are state programs. One of
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  Speaker 2: the worst countries, if not the worst, in terms of
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  Speaker 2: the First World countries, is guess what the United States. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you have money, you're fine. They're going to be okay,
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  Speaker 2: even as astronomical as the cost is for taking someone
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  Speaker 2: taking care of someone who's old. And that's exactly what
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  Speaker 2: happened to me. My dad died at eighty five. He
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  Speaker 2: saw who he was married to, looked at the kids
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  Speaker 2: that he had, and it was time to check out. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm done with this, and he is gone. My mother,
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  Speaker 2: on the other hand, decided she was gonna live till
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  Speaker 2: ninety eight, just to screw with.
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  Speaker 3: Me, knowing that I was paying for her care.
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  Speaker 2: And so I paid for a board and care, and
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  Speaker 2: I could have just as well parked her on the sidewalk,
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  Speaker 2: because the last five years she had absolutely no idea
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  Speaker 2: who I was or where she was. But the point
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  Speaker 2: is Americans are not good and why is that? Well,
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  Speaker 2: First of all, Americans move around a lot, more so
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  Speaker 2: than other places, So the kids are probably in other
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  Speaker 2: states in many place cases, and they don't have time,
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  Speaker 2: and they usually both work. They certainly don't have the
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  Speaker 2: money because it can cost ten thousand dollars a month
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  Speaker 2: for healthcare for elderly people. Who has that, And unless
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  Speaker 2: you've bought insurance zillions of years ago, then you're in
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  Speaker 2: trouble about elder care insurance. And even then, no one
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  Speaker 2: anticipated be ten thousand dollars a month twelve thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: a month to take care of the elderly. Also, people
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  Speaker 2: are having fewer kids, which mean as they get older,
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  Speaker 2: there's nobody there to take care of them. And we're
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  Speaker 2: not real good at taking care of them anyway, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're done with your parents. Okay, that's fine,
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  Speaker 2: let me alone. I'm finished with you. And there really
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  Speaker 2: is a lot of thinking of that regard. As much
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  Speaker 2: as I make fun of it, it is not fun.
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  Speaker 2: And see, the other thing is the culture of this
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  Speaker 2: country is not the same as other cultures where you
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  Speaker 2: have generational you have generational connections. For example, you go
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  Speaker 2: to an Asian country, you go to the Asian community.
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  Speaker 2: People get old, they take care of their kids, and
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  Speaker 2: when they get too old to take care of the kids,
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  Speaker 2: the kids take care of them. And you have three generations,
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  Speaker 2: four generations in a home. That doesn't happen. That doesn't
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  Speaker 2: amy you're about to say something.
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  Speaker 4: We were just in Morocco and the same thing happens there.
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  Speaker 4: The guy who was our tour guide, Cheffique, he had
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  Speaker 4: fourteen people living in his home, he and his wife,
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  Speaker 4: his kids, his parents, his brother, and his new wife's And.
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  Speaker 2: It's not because they can't afford it. In many cases,
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  Speaker 2: it's because that's just what happens. Yeah, it's a different culture.
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  Speaker 2: You take care of the elderly, you take care of
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  Speaker 2: your family, and here. Not only do we not take
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  Speaker 2: care of what consider you live in another state. Americans
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  Speaker 2: do that a lot. How often you get a fly
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  Speaker 2: to visit your mother? Even though I was in the
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  Speaker 2: same city as my mom, I visited her very very rarely,
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  Speaker 2: to the point in the latter part of her life.
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  Speaker 2: And I've shared this with you before. Maybe you listen
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  Speaker 2: to the show very rarely and you haven't heard my story.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't even go into a room by myself. I
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  Speaker 2: would have taken a pillow and smothered her, which I
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  Speaker 2: never walked. They wouldn't let me into the room with
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  Speaker 2: a pillow under my arm. They knew what was going
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  Speaker 2: to happen, and I still took care of her. Now,
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  Speaker 2: why do you think I took care of my mom?
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  Speaker 2: And I as joking as I much. I didn't like
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  Speaker 2: my mom very much. We did not get along, So
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  Speaker 2: why do you think I would take care of her? Amy,
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  Speaker 2: Why would you think I would take care of my
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  Speaker 2: mother when we didn't have a close relationship.
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  Speaker 4: Because you wanted her money, please?
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  Speaker 3: She had no money.
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  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I said when she died, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I became a pretty wealthy guy because I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: to write a check every month to keep her in
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  Speaker 2: the place she was.
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  Speaker 3: At because you love her.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, that's not the reason, because I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Another reason because you're Jewish. Aha.
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  Speaker 2: Because aha, because as my wife said, I have a
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  Speaker 2: gold medal in the Guilt, the Jewish Guilt Olympics. It
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  Speaker 2: is a Wednesday, the twenty fourth of June, and since
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  Speaker 2: it is a Wednesday, at a thirty last half hour
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  Speaker 2: of our show, it's doctor Jim Keeney who joins us
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  Speaker 2: er doc extraordinaire, thirty years in the er room, thirty
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  Speaker 2: years with us.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Jim, good.
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  Speaker 5: Morning, Good morning Bill.
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  Speaker 3: All right, a story just came out about healthcare.
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  Speaker 2: I've talked about this before many many times, but once
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  Speaker 2: again it's under the microscope, and that is I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's a given that healthcare in this country sucks, and
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  Speaker 2: it is the most No country spends as much for
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  Speaker 2: healthcare as we do and affordability for a huge portion
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  Speaker 2: of Americans. We are not the best country in the
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  Speaker 2: world for healthcare unless you having to live in a
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  Speaker 2: major city and have great insurance and are near a
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  Speaker 2: great medical facility.
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  Speaker 5: Comment all right, well, yeah, I mean I would say
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  Speaker 5: we do have really good medical care in the United States.
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  Speaker 5: But this is the part that you're right about, is
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  Speaker 5: that you've got to have the money to do that.
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  Speaker 5: You have to have the money to participate. And fifty
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  Speaker 5: percent of Americans in this latest studies show that they
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  Speaker 5: cannot afford healthcare. They can't afford to pay for their insurance. So,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it is definitely a case of the haves
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  Speaker 5: versus the have not. If you're in the haves group,
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  Speaker 5: you get some of the best healthcare in the world.
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  Speaker 5: If you're in the have not group, well, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you may get lucky, you may live in an area
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  Speaker 5: like you said, that has those resources, but definitely it's
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  Speaker 5: a big difference.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things, and we're going to spend
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  Speaker 2: a minute here talking about politics, and that is the
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  Speaker 2: fear somehow that a national healthcare plan, like every other
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  Speaker 2: country industrialized country in the world, has it paid by
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  Speaker 2: the taxpayer. It's a if you want to call it,
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  Speaker 2: a socialized system. For some reason, the fear that it's
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  Speaker 2: socialism I've never understood.
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  Speaker 3: And because as soon as you hit sixty.
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  Speaker 2: Five and it's medicare, you're in socialist medicare in medical Land,
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  Speaker 2: and the very people who hate the healthcare jump right
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  Speaker 2: onto their medicare any idea why And I know this
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  Speaker 2: is just this is not medical.
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  Speaker 3: Just Bill Handle talking to Jim Keiney right now.
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  Speaker 5: It's just that's kind of just rhetoric, you know, just talk.
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  Speaker 5: The truth is that a single payer system is not help.
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  Speaker 5: Is not a socialized medicine. Single payer system just means
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  Speaker 5: there's one payer. It happens to be the government. Doctors
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  Speaker 5: can still work in a capitalist environment, working at a
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  Speaker 5: fee for service, and so they're getting paid piece meal essentially,
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  Speaker 5: and it's not socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is when the
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  Speaker 5: government directly employs the physician pays their salary, and typically
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  Speaker 5: they just they pay a salary and things like productivity
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  Speaker 5: markers and everything else are less important. So you do
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  Speaker 5: end up with some somewhat less productivity in a lot
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  Speaker 5: of those situations. But you know, you also end up
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  Speaker 5: a problems with the capitalist system. So there's pros and
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  Speaker 5: cons of both sides. Honestly, in areas where they have
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  Speaker 5: single payer systems where the government pays for health care,
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  Speaker 5: like I got to say, one of the best I've
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  Speaker 5: seen is to buy and yet they still have problems, right,
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  Speaker 5: they still can't afford to treat everyone at the top
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  Speaker 5: level all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the government employment Canada. I believe the doctors are
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  Speaker 2: employed by the government and cannot practice privately. But in
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  Speaker 2: our sense, it's not single payer.
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  Speaker 3: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: This is a single pay issue. It's when the government
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  Speaker 2: pays for all medical care. And then the other side
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  Speaker 2: of it is obviously, if you have an emergency, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you get shot, you have a heart attack, man, you're
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  Speaker 2: getting right in so there's no issue. But other than that,
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  Speaker 2: any elective surgery, you're waiting and waiting and waiting. I understand.
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  Speaker 2: In Canada it can take you what three years, four
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  Speaker 2: years to get a knee replacement, I understand. Even an abortion,
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  Speaker 2: it'll take you fourteen months to get an abortion.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean, okay, so Canada. We always still
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  Speaker 5: inize Canada. But the truth is their system works pretty
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  Speaker 5: darn well. There are no you know, they've done studies
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  Speaker 5: to look for these people fleeing across the order from
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  Speaker 5: Canada to the US to get health care, and they
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  Speaker 5: just can't find any. I mean, you're right. For joint replacements.
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  Speaker 5: Joint replacements are something that occur over decades, right, your
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  Speaker 5: joints degrade over time, and even in America, you have
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  Speaker 5: a long conversation with your doctor. Unless you really just
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  Speaker 5: were suffering and suffering and suffering for decades and you
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  Speaker 5: finally saw an orthopedic surgeon at the end of the road,
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  Speaker 5: well then it's going to be a more of a
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  Speaker 5: rush job. But typically people are complaining of joint pains
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  Speaker 5: long before they need a joint replacement. But in Canada,
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  Speaker 5: if you need, you know, if you have breast cancer,
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  Speaker 5: you're going to have surgery as rapidly as the United States,
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  Speaker 5: So it's really not in Canadians, by the way, are
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  Speaker 5: deathly afraid of stepping into the US health system. They
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  Speaker 5: know that we're the number one cause of bankruptcy in
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  Speaker 5: our country is healthcare, and so they always buy travelers insurance,
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  Speaker 5: even the drive across the border, because they're afraid they'll
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  Speaker 5: get taken to an emergency and then the bills will
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  Speaker 5: be so high, like they get in a car accident
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  Speaker 5: driving across the border and suddenly the bankrupt.
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  Speaker 2: You know, well, at r R where you were for
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  Speaker 2: years and years and years mission hospital. Let's say I
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  Speaker 2: go into the emergency room and I'm there all day
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  Speaker 2: and they run the test, I walk out the door.
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  Speaker 2: How much can it cost?
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  Speaker 5: You know, it depends on what you're coming in for.
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  Speaker 5: I had a friend who came in for a kidney
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  Speaker 5: stone and he was there for like two hours. But
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  Speaker 5: the tests we ran with cat scans and everything else
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  Speaker 5: and ended up being about a six thousand dollars bill total.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think from what I hear, that is
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  Speaker 2: dirt cheap, all right, Jim cosmetic fillers, and I love
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  Speaker 2: these stories of it's always some woman of certain whatever
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  Speaker 2: ethnic distraction in the back of a dumbpster someplace and
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  Speaker 2: people and she gives you know, but shots. Uh so uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually more common than we know.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk about that, sure.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So the story here was that one of the
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  Speaker 5: executives at St. Lauter uh ended up getting uh filler
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  Speaker 5: in a space and drop literally dropped dead. Uh. Soon
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  Speaker 5: after that, the corner relief that he suffered from a
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  Speaker 5: pulmonary embolism. So that is the bloods on the lungs.
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  Speaker 5: It can happen. It's a very rare current after getting siller.
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  Speaker 5: But it's just a reminder that these that that minimally
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  Speaker 5: invasive doesn't mean no risk, right, and you still want
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  Speaker 5: to get the right products injected into you if you
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  Speaker 5: don't want to go to some fly by night, you know,
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  Speaker 5: back alley. You want to make sure that people understand
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  Speaker 5: anatomy uh and that these are well trained individuals that
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  Speaker 5: are injecting this stuff. Even in your face, there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of blood vessels in your face. It's very vascular
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  Speaker 5: and a couple of waves. You can get a blood
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  Speaker 5: clot in your lungs from this. Is you either injected
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  Speaker 5: you end up right in a vein, right, and you're
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  Speaker 5: injecting this filler right into the vein. It goes through
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  Speaker 5: your through your heart, through the heart to the lungs,
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  Speaker 5: and then that filler will create a blood you know,
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  Speaker 5: a blockage in your lung The other way is in
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  Speaker 5: bigger areas like the buttocks that you're mentioning that the
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  Speaker 5: common area for this to happen. You compress the vessels
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  Speaker 5: so much that a blood plot forms, it breaks off
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  Speaker 5: and goes to the lungs.
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  Speaker 2: Now, that's a that's afanity call straight ahead. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there's no medical reason they have one of these, is there?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, so there, now there's you're right, there are
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  Speaker 5: some medically legitimate reasons that they initially like these things
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  Speaker 5: were initially approved for people with muscle wasting, say that
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  Speaker 5: they have HIV with severe muscle wasting. In the space,
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  Speaker 5: they could replenish a lot of that must the waste
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  Speaker 5: things you didn't have, like that skeleton base, things like that,
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  Speaker 5: So you know that's more restorative than cosmetic. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's it's essentially a cosmetic procedure. And well, you know
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  Speaker 5: ninety nine percent of people are you seeing that it's
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  Speaker 5: for cosmetic procedures?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I assume you wouldn't do this at all, but then
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  Speaker 2: you have a very good looking But I must tell you, Jim,
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  Speaker 2: I've appreciated. I've appreciated for many years. Every time I
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  Speaker 2: see you, I get would to be honest with you. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: one real quick one, and that is we talked about
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  Speaker 2: this this morning. The CDC blocked that COVID vaccine study
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  Speaker 2: and can you think of any reason that would happen?
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  Speaker 5: Well, they're not the ones that should be even making
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  Speaker 5: the decision, right, it's the it's the periody journal that
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  Speaker 5: needs to protect the reputation and only publish studies that
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  Speaker 5: have been peer reviewed and are actually decent quality studies, right,
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  Speaker 5: studies one hundred percent perfect, But the study had to
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  Speaker 5: meet a certain level of rigor, and yeah, so this
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  Speaker 5: was clearly a political move to stop a study like
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  Speaker 5: this from being published. Ultimately, it was published, and it
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  Speaker 5: kind of runs counter to the current administration's you know,
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  Speaker 5: philosophies on vaccination and on on covid specifically and and
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  Speaker 5: how effective the vaccine is. And this was this study
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  Speaker 5: was specific to the twenty twenty six code vaccine and
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  Speaker 5: it definitely showed that people who received the vaccine were
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  Speaker 5: less likely to get COVID and left likely to be hospitalized,
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  Speaker 5: so continues to show a benefit.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially, this did meet the requirements, as you said, in
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  Speaker 2: terms of peer reviewed and the scientific application to it.
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  Speaker 3: Did it not exactly?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that ultimately the peer review journal had it
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  Speaker 5: peer reviewed and felt that it was a study that
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  Speaker 5: was a good enough rigor that it was it was
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  Speaker 5: worthy to be their journal. And you know, again, if
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  Speaker 5: they with these people, their reputation and everything, if they
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  Speaker 5: published garbage, nobody's gonna it's a new England journal of
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: Veson starts publishing garbage, nobody's gonna read it. But it's
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  Speaker 5: a prestigious journal. I think this one was published in GMA,
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  Speaker 5: another prestigious journal, so it's it's you know, it's important
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  Speaker 5: to them, all right, Jim.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, We'll talk again next Wednesday, as we always do.
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  Speaker 2: Have a good day, take care, go kill somebody. It's
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: always a pleasure.
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