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VICKI, ORANGE YOU EXPIRED? | RHOC Recap with Alexis Janssen · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, hi, Raindrops.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Reality with the King with
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  Speaker 1: Alexis and Carlos. Once again, subscribe to our YouTube because
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  Speaker 1: the thing is, what I put on a tank top
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  Speaker 1: is so form-fitting that sometimes I'm like having to.
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  Speaker 2: Like It is tight.
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  Speaker 3: It's keeping it all nice and tight in there. That's
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  Speaker 3: a very tight tank top. Is that a Hanes or
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  Speaker 3: do you have like a couture tank top? No.
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  Speaker 2: So it is Hanes today, but the best ones is
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  Speaker 2: from Gymshark.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, see, that's what's so funny is that I've, you know,
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  Speaker 3: between my sons and my husband, it's like, People want
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  Speaker 3: to buy really expensive ones, but sometimes they're like, nope,
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  Speaker 3: Fruit of the Loom is the best on this one,
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  Speaker 3: or Hanes is the best. But then yours is saying Gymshark.
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  Speaker 3: Is that a step above those?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the thing is this.
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  Speaker 1: Gymshark is this athletic brand that men wear it when
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  Speaker 1: they're working out, whatever. It's like athleisure. The fabric and
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  Speaker 1: the quality. I sound like a spokesperson. So Gymshark, call
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  Speaker 1: me so I can be a sponsor.
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  Speaker 3: All of a sudden, call them up, guys. Hi.
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  Speaker 2: So Raindrops, if you happen to be in ad sales or.
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  Speaker 1: If you happen to work at Gymshark, hey, we have
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  Speaker 1: a wide reach of Raindrops, honey.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Let them know.
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  Speaker 1: I love their tank tops because the quality of the
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  Speaker 1: rib tank is so good. Multiple washes. It still sparkles
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  Speaker 1: like white or black depending on the color you buy.
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  Speaker 2: And it fits really good. I'll wear it next week
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  Speaker 2: for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be great because now I can compare.
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  Speaker 3: I'm seeing you in the.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, okay. I'm seeing you in the.
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  Speaker 3: Because I've been in the industry of clothing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: for a short time. But I can see if that...
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to be able to tell the difference in
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  Speaker 3: the fabric, I think, probably.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So let's check it out.
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  Speaker 3: Uh-huh. It's hot. I'm telling you. Guys in tight white
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  Speaker 3: tank tops, it's hot. I mean, you call it white feeders,
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  Speaker 3: I guess. Don't beat me.
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  Speaker 2: I know. They used to call them that. And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like that with a pair of jeans, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Especially with the shirt you've layered over it. You look very, like,
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  Speaker 3: spot on. You look trendy. Yeah, good. Yeah, it looks good.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Alexis. You bring out the best in me.
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  Speaker 2: What can I say?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm in Navy today, so I really threw you off.
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  Speaker 3: We're not doing anything.
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  Speaker 2: But you're also blinking, sister. You're blinking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like this one. You like it?
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I get boring and just wear my AJ necklace all
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  Speaker 3: the time that.
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  Speaker 2: John has made. How expensive is your necklace?
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  Speaker 4: This one?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, honey. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You do know. You don't want to tell me the price.
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  Speaker 3: I honest to God, this is not one that I'm
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  Speaker 3: remembering off the top of my head. Like, Oh, this
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  Speaker 3: one was this. No, I mean, there's, there are some
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  Speaker 3: that I can definitely give you the quote. I don't know. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good one. You look good. I mean, listen, I.
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  Speaker 3: Have a blemish here though, right here. I had a,
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  Speaker 3: I had a zit. And so I went in for
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  Speaker 3: a facial and we over zapped it. So if you,
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  Speaker 3: can you see, can you see on the camera?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I can see it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So my makeup, my makeup is doing a good job
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  Speaker 3: covering up from here. You can't see it.
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  Speaker 2: No, no.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be gone in two days. It just, it just over,
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  Speaker 3: we over zapped a little bitty friend that joined Harry.
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  Speaker 3: I'll call him Harry the zit.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Then I'll call my Sally. So when Harry met Sally,
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  Speaker 1: because I have a zit. So yours, my zit is
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  Speaker 1: called Sally. Yours is called Harry.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. You want to see mine? Yeah. Let's see.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can definitely see that. Why didn't you
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  Speaker 3: even try.
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  Speaker 2: To- Not definitely.
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  Speaker 3: Why didn't you even try to put a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of makeup on that? Like at least I tried to
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  Speaker 3: cover it up.
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  Speaker 2: No, so here's the deal. And you would, and you,
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  Speaker 2: I know you, and you would appreciate this.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like when it comes to men, Our imperfections
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  Speaker 1: make us look better because who wants like a pretty man?
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  Speaker 3: There is a very, you're so right because there's a
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  Speaker 3: very fine line between metrosexual, what's it called? Metrosexual.
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  Speaker 2: Metrosexual.
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  Speaker 3: That's hot and sexy or that it's too like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: he takes more time to do his face skincare than
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  Speaker 3: I do. That's not sexy. It's sexy when you're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he takes care of himself, but okay, wear that zit,
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  Speaker 3: own it and move on. Like, let's just go, you know?
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  Speaker 3: So I agree. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, here I go. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what? It's there. Listen, it'll go away. It's
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  Speaker 2: been a fucking few days.
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  Speaker 3: It's been two days. Sally's there to meet Harry. Wasn't
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  Speaker 3: it called When Harry Met Sally? Isn't that the movie for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I said it, Alexis. Well, they met.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, now they met. Now we can kiss them
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  Speaker 3: goodbye and they can... And then they can go. They're done.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Raindrops, I love my audio listeners. If
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  Speaker 1: you're not watching us on YouTube, you're missing out.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Hacks?
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  Speaker 3: No, but it sounds good. I might need to tune
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  Speaker 3: in on that.
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  Speaker 2: Jean Smart from Designing Women.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. It's on HBO?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have five seasons. It's super good. She's won
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  Speaker 1: like three Emmys. Based on this one character she plays.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, go girl.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's a really good show.
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  Speaker 1: So you're Jean Smart, and I'm the actress named Hannah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's her real name.
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  Speaker 3: I'm writing this down. I'm going to Google this. I'm
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  Speaker 3: Jean Smart. Let me see.
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  Speaker 2: Got it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to Google it. I'm going to find out.
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  Speaker 3: Do I really have to portray her next week?
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  Speaker 1: Oh. We'll talk about next week later in the episode.
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  Speaker 3: You're welcome for entertaining everyone. Good God, Alexis, you should
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  Speaker 3: have stayed home in bed. You're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Stay tuned for that because we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the coming attractions for next week.
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  Speaker 3: With that being said, you're going to need the Mary,
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  Speaker 3: sweet Mary and Jesus cross hanging from here next week
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  Speaker 3: in the week out or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Girl, we'll save it.
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  Speaker 1: But stay for the rest of the episode so we
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  Speaker 1: can talk about the teaser of next week's episode of
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  Speaker 1: Orange County.
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  Speaker 2: But today, we're here to talk about episode 12 of OC.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what? Let's get right into it. So,
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  Speaker 1: Shannon meets with Gina. So, remember, last week, The girls, Shannon, Vicky, Jen,
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  Speaker 1: and Emily were over at one of Vicky's homes. We
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  Speaker 1: know what happened. Pretty much, Vicky did not want to
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  Speaker 1: address any issues. She wanted to have fun turtle time.
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  Speaker 2: Like Ramona. And, you know, ultimately, Emily and Jen left.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So, Gina is catching up with Shannon because she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't there.
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  Speaker 2: And they talk about it in addition to the.
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  Speaker 1: Fact that they're really talking about Vicky saying things that
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  Speaker 1: they feel like are inappropriate. And what comes up in
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  Speaker 1: this conversation is apparently they flash back to a moment
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  Speaker 1: where Vicky is talking about Carmella. And she does say
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  Speaker 1: that Danny pretty much raises and takes care of the kids.
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  Speaker 1: That's why Carmella is with him. Shannon's like, look, Vicky
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  Speaker 1: is known for putting, you know, her foot in her mouth.
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  Speaker 1: She says things that she doesn't mean in the moment.
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  Speaker 1: And Gina's not buying it. And she feels like, what?
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  Speaker 1: Did you correct her? And Shannon goes, no. Um, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to kick her while she's down. And Gina
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  Speaker 1: feels like you must hold your friends accountable.
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  Speaker 2: So, look.
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  Speaker 1: Last week, I feel like you and I did a
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  Speaker 1: fantastic job. Especially you, because you and Vicky are friends.
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  Speaker 1: And I respect friendships. I was very honest last week.
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  Speaker 2: Like, look.
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  Speaker 1: I've been very honest about my feelings towards Vicky this season.
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  Speaker 1: But last week's episode, I said, you know what? That
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  Speaker 1: scene with her and Tamra... It.
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  Speaker 3: Softened you a little. Last week softened you, but now
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  Speaker 3: I think I know where you're going, but we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: So now where do you stand?
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  Speaker 2: I'm a hard-boiled egg with my cone-shaped head.
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  Speaker 3: I knew where you were going. I wanted to remind
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  Speaker 3: the listeners that you were- Team Vicky last week, and
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  Speaker 3: you did have a softer spot for her last week.
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 2: I did. I did.
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  Speaker 1: And the beautiful thing about you and I, recapping, is
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  Speaker 1: we only stick to the episode.
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  Speaker 2: Episode by episode, right? And in this episode... I'll stick
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  Speaker 2: to scene by scene before I give you my whole
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  Speaker 2: overall thought. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Can't wait for that.
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  Speaker 1: I do feel like, look, when it comes to someone
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  Speaker 1: being your friend, there is a fine line with having
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  Speaker 1: your friends back, but also acknowledging like, hey, this was bad.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I'll get to what happened later.
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  Speaker 1: But in this particular scene between Shannon and Vicky, I'm
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  Speaker 1: on Gina's side. I feel like if someone says something
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  Speaker 1: in the moment, I think you should tell them in
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  Speaker 1: the moment that's not okay. And that's why Another shocker,
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  Speaker 1: I was on Heather's side when she shut it down
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  Speaker 1: when Vicky made the comments to Carmella in Vegas about like,
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  Speaker 1: why are you here?
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  Speaker 2: Your daughter's home sick. You should be home with your daughter.
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  Speaker 1: And Heather's like, we're not doing that. So I was
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  Speaker 1: on Gina's side. But what are your thoughts about all
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  Speaker 1: of that?
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  Speaker 2: Should Shannon have.
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  Speaker 1: Held Vicky accountable in that moment when she made that comment?
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but who else was in that scene when
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  Speaker 3: Vicky originally made it? Oh, it was Who was it with?
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  Speaker 3: It was Gina and Vicki and Shannon. It was those three?
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  Speaker 3: Who were the three in the spa when Vicki made
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  Speaker 3: that call?
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't it happening there? Jamie, let me know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was Shannon. I remember Shannon because she
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  Speaker 3: was sitting here and then it was Vicki and then
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  Speaker 3: there was one person here. And Shannon was like, wow, like,
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  Speaker 3: why did you say that?
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  Speaker 2: Why did they have that, if I'm not mistaken?
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember. We'll find out.
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  Speaker 2: We'll find out. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: But to your point, Shannon was not the only person there. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So someone sitting in that group should have said, this
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  Speaker 3: is not OK. Like, no, he does not raise those kids.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, even me watching as a viewer. which I
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  Speaker 3: know we're seeing a very short snippet of anything, but
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  Speaker 3: you can tell that Carmela is a very hands-on mom.
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  Speaker 3: Like you can tell by the relationship she has with
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  Speaker 3: those kids. Danny is not raising those kids. So anyway, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that would, that would hit me through the heart. That
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  Speaker 3: would be a very, I would, I would have the
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  Speaker 3: same reaction Carmela had. I do think that she should be,
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  Speaker 3: Vicky should be saying sorry over and over for that one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just think it's not a nice comment
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  Speaker 1: to make about someone. You can have your opinions about Danny.
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  Speaker 1: You can have your opinions about why she's with him.
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  Speaker 1: But I think to make that comment, I thought was
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  Speaker 1: pretty low. And I think when it comes to Shannon
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  Speaker 1: in this moment, I think Shannon understands that her value
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  Speaker 1: and her friendship is by having Vicky on her side
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  Speaker 1: because None of the other women are truly Shannon's friends,
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, I don't know. I feel like everyone's
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  Speaker 3: kind of being kumbaya this season. I feel like there
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  Speaker 3: is some true, like, maybe not friends where you're calling
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  Speaker 3: every Saturday to see if you can meet up for
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  Speaker 3: coffee when you're not, you know, filming or whatever. But
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  Speaker 3: I do feel like there's more of a cohesiveness in
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  Speaker 3: the group. But the other thing I wanted to say
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  Speaker 3: about Vicky is she does forget things she says. Because
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  Speaker 3: I went on her podcast. I mean, I had just
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  Speaker 3: gotten engaged. No, I was almost, I was getting married
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  Speaker 3: to John two months away. So it was, I got
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  Speaker 3: married in October. So it was like August or August-ish, okay?
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  Speaker 3: And I go on her podcast and she says something
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  Speaker 3: about John and about how she likes him. And I
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  Speaker 3: called her out point blank. I said, oh, you do?
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  Speaker 3: I go, because from what I remember hearing you say,
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  Speaker 3: you've thrown him under the bus like five times. And
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  Speaker 3: she's like, oh, no, no, no, I like him. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: what are you talking about? And so then I had
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  Speaker 3: to go down the list of what she'd said.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And then she's like, oh, well, you know, she literally
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  Speaker 3: is like she just says things and doesn't even think
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  Speaker 3: them through. Not that that's right, Carlos, though. Not that
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  Speaker 3: that's right to do.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But but, you know, I don't. The thing is, is
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  Speaker 3: that I kind of laughed when we were on our pod.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of laughed.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, it's just freaking Vicky.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, OK, so now you love him because I'm
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  Speaker 3: married to him. OK, good. Perfect.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think Vicky is the type of woman where. She
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  Speaker 1: talks shit behind your back. And when she's confronted, she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want to make it a big issue. I think
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  Speaker 1: she means what she says in the moment. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think she forgets it. I think she doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: deal with it. I think she's one of those women
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  Speaker 1: as a season three watcher.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Tamara, because I started watching when Tamara came on.
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  Speaker 2: And I always say that. And then I'll listen. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm being honest.
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  Speaker 3: I'm being honest.
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  Speaker 1: I thought of watching when Tamra Judge came on, but
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  Speaker 1: I gotta be fair, Gretchen made me glue to my
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  Speaker 1: seat when she joined. Tamra started me watching it, but
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  Speaker 1: Gretchen made me stay. I said, what the fuck is
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  Speaker 1: this shit? Hold on to your daddy, girls. Here comes Gretchen.
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  Speaker 2: I said, she's dating Cardinals. I mean, rest in heaven.
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  Speaker 1: Let me not say anything because he's passed away. But
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  Speaker 1: my point is I was like, oh, shit. But my
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  Speaker 1: other point was Vicky, that's who Vicky is. And I
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  Speaker 1: feel like this season, that's who Vicky is. I definitely
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  Speaker 1: think she means what she says in the moment. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she forgets it per se. I just think
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  Speaker 1: she's just like, get over it. It's not that serious.
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  Speaker 1: And I think in all fairness to her, if I'm
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  Speaker 1: being fair to her and you, I think she said it,
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  Speaker 1: especially her bias being Shannon is her best friend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And so maybe you're right. Maybe there's some truth
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  Speaker 3: to that, that she says it. I almost think also
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  Speaker 3: adding onto that, that Um, maybe she says it, but
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  Speaker 3: she doesn't, she, she means it, but she kind of
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  Speaker 3: means it jokingly. Like she knows she's on a TV show.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're supposed to say funny things. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he's just trying to be funny and, and like move.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. No totals, totals, totals. Totally get it. Totally
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  Speaker 2: get it.
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  Speaker 3: Um, totals is a new saying totals.
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  Speaker 1: You've never said that before.
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  Speaker 2: I love an abbreviation. Why not short things? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Um, This scene really made my heart smile. I want
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  Speaker 1: to get into Tamra.
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  Speaker 2: With her. Well, let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to talk about when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to that Shannon and Gina moment?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Tamra scene with her granddaughter Ava.
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  Speaker 3: It was four generations all there together. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: none of them look like they should be in the
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  Speaker 3: role they are. Like the grandma doesn't look, the great
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  Speaker 3: grandma doesn't look like a great grandma. The grandma doesn't
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: look like your grandma. And you know, that's a great photo.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: So great. She looks totally good. Um, Tamara looks good.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Her mother looks good. And then you have her daughter,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: then her granddaughter, Ava. So I did love that four-generation
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: moment that they were obviously celebrating for Ava's birthday party.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: In this scene, Tamara does talk about her son, Ryan.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: And when it comes to Tamara and her relationship with
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: her son, Ryan, what we have watched throughout the years is...
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: you know, look, a lot of ups and downs in
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: their relationship, right? Because one of the things that they've
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: always dealt with was he was sort of living his
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: life as a teen on the side of not the
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: most safe, right? And Tamara being 18 years old, which
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: is still young to be a mom. And one of
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the things that Tamara talked about was the fact that
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: her and Ryan's relationship suffered to the point where they
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: didn't talk for a year. And one of the reasons
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: she gave was Tamara's mother pretty much raised Ryan as
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: his grandmother because Tamara was so young and so was
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: her baby daddy at the time. And Ryan does expect
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Tamara to be that type of grandmother. So before we
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: get to the other stuff she said, I want to
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: stop there. As a mother, what are your thoughts on that?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Because I will say when it comes to like old
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: school grandmothers, whether their daughter was 18 or 28, grandmothers
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: at that day and age was extremely instrumental in in
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: their grandkids lives. And I can see Ryan's point if
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: that's what he is, was accustomed to. Right.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I agree with that. And I, I think that with
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: how modern it is now a day is that, you know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: like Tamara is young and still working hard and, and,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: and she is the breadwinner and she is have, she
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: has so many companies and things that she's, you know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: hats to wear. Um, so I can see Ryan's frustration,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: but I also like for me, not everyone has the
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: ability or even wants to be a stay at home mom.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: I knew very young that I wanted to be a
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: stay at home mom. I wanted, not that I wanted
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: to be kept like Vicki used to call me a
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: kept woman. It wasn't that I was kept. I quit
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: my career. Once I found the, the, the man that
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I thought was going to be my, you know, my
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: forever and start a family. He and I both were
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: on the same, you know, some, some families are like, no,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: we both have to work. No, we're both going to
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: be working. We're both, we're going to figure it out.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be a stay at home. I
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: don't want to be a stay at home. And so
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: they figured out, or there's the Emily and, and, and
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Shane where Shane's now the stay at home. So not
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: every family works the same and you've got to respect
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: all of them. And not one is right or wrong.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, I don't think any of them are
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: right or wrong. It's just what works for your family.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: So for me, I, if, if let's just say now
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: that James is married, let's just say, and they're 20,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: they're almost 21 in a that Tamara's mom was. I
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: would be that grandma. I'd be like, drop the kid off.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: John will kill me. You'll probably hear this, but I'd
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: be like, drop the kid off.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I'm here. John, see you tomorrow.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I'm babysitting the baby. I would be that grandma because
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: that's the mom I was too.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: There's nothing right or wrong about it, but I get
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: where Ryan's probably just feeling a little bit like, I
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: wish you were a bigger role in Ava's life. That's
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: what I think he's trying to get at. And he
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: might say it wrong and might come out wrong, but
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I can see. He loved his relationship with his grandma.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: This is Reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show. Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: What would you be if you had a kid and
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: the kid had a kid? Here's the other thing. Tamara
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: was a child raising another child because even though they say, oh,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: you're an adult. Oh, bullshit. You are not an adult.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: My kids still need a lot of help with everything.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: It's like you're not an adult until you're like 25, 30.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: By 30, you better be on your own and have
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: everything figured out. But no, you can still hold your kids'
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: hands and get them to the next stage. So anyways,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: that's the first thing is that I wanted to defend
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Tamara a little bit. She was growing up with her kid,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: you know, and I think she did a great job.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: But what would you do?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Be a workaholic. You wouldn't be a stand-up.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: No, there's no way. Listen, my sister... was 18.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: When she had her daughter.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Oh. And I remember my mother stepping in immediately. Now, granted,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: my sister, yes, was there and all those things. But
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: like you said, 18, no one really moves out of
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the house at 18. I didn't move out until I
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: was 22. Right. I think, like you said, by 30
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: is when adulthood really happens. I was in a city college,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: so I was able to go to college in the city,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: but also come home, because I wasn't mature enough to
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: handle that. And listen, I'm in my 40s, and the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: idea of having kids isn't top of mind for me.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: But even at this big age, I would still need
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of support. And that's why I do feel,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: when it comes to Tamara, I understand why she had
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: The struggle with Ryan, because from my understanding, his father
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't really in his life like that growing up.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: They're not married. They weren't married. They didn't live together.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: So I think a lot of it, like you said,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Tamara had to figure out her own shit at 18.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Well, and you're still growing up. But she was still present.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She was present. Yeah.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: So.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: We have to get to what Tamra said also. So Tamra,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: not Tamra, Tamra said that one of the other reasons
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: why they had their falling out is because she and
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Ryan got to an argument based on things he was
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: posting and liking on social media. Look, when it comes
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to Ryan, this is a part of the conversation where,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: you know, may be uncomfortable for you. And I respect
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that because Tamara is your real-life friend. And I love Tamara, right?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And this has nothing to do with Tamara. This has
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: everything to do with a grown man who is 30
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: years old who used his social media to say something.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: So just so the audience knows, Ryan is known for.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: A lot of disturbing tweets. When it came to the
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: murder of George Floyd.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: He did post what if the whole George Floyd murder
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: was staged. He also was making a lot of transphobic
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: posts on his Instagram to the point where Tamara had
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to apologize on behalf of what he was saying so
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: that her audience knew that she was not supporting it
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: at all. Um, so they had an argument about that.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And look, this is what I will say. When it
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: comes to Ryan, that's a whole separate conversation. I don't
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: condone anything he has said. It's gross. It's disgusting.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: It's nasty.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Transphobic post, racist post, anything of those things are not acceptable.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: With that being said, that doesn't reflect Tamara. And I
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about this because Again, when
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: it comes to being a parent, you can only do
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: so much for your children until they leave the nest.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And once they leave the nest, as a parent, you
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: hope that everything you instilled in them, the values and
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: all of those things, they take with them when they
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: leave the nest. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen for everyone. And
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I know personally that Because me and Tamra talked about
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: this loosely on my podcast with her four years ago.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: It was hard for her because she doesn't agree with
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: anything he was saying. And she was getting attacked for
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: his post. And she's like, this isn't me. So I
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: understood why she had to call him and say.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: A, I didn't raise you to be this way. And B,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you're fucking up things for me too. And I have
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with this shit. So I feel bad
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: for Tamara. I don't feel bad for Ryan.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Part of that is the fact that we're in the limelight.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Like any of us have put ourselves out there and
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: we're public figures. If this was happening to a family
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: that was not public, she'd be able to handle it
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: a little bit differently. You know, it wouldn't be like,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: you know, she could. But the other thing to that is,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: is even when the kids live with you, even at 18,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: I've got 18, almost 19, two 19 year olds, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: then my 20, almost 21 year old son. So even
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: at that age, I still can't get through to them.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: It's like their heads are brick walls sometimes. And I
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: also think that some of maybe his posts, hopefully he's
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: grown or done a little studying on it. Some of
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the things said when the trans community was becoming so
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: much more well-known or like just I don't know. I
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: feel like, and you could probably know this more than me.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, I do have, I am in the world some,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: but like, I feel like it just came about not
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: long ago where it was actually something talked about and
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: something that people are actually getting educated on. So I
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: feel like part of Ryan might've just been living in
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: a little bit of ignorance. Like, and I don't mean
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: that negative. I'm not trying to say that derogatory. I'm
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: literally saying like, he didn't study it. He didn't understand it.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: He doesn't know it. He doesn't, and people- you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: new things sometimes scare people. And so maybe he was
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: just spouting off. I don't even know anything about these posts,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: by the way. So I don't, I haven't read them.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I haven't heard about them. You are educating me on
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: him right now. Um, but I, I do have a
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: little bit of grace for people. I mean, even with
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: my situation, I sometimes have to inform people and educate
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: them and they're not trying to be mean. They're not
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: trying to be phobic. They just don't understand it. So I,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: you know, I try to have grace for both sides
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: of that. Um, but I do not believe in any hate.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: And I, so that's what's, I'm kind of, I'm kind
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: of a little bit perplexed when you say that he
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: had some, he was spouting hate and, and things because
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: I was, I must've been in my own world. It
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: was probably right when my mom was dying. And so
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I was just, just caretaking for her and I did nothing.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: And I didn't watch TV. I didn't do any, didn't any,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I was just a caretaker, but it must've been during
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: that time because I really am like stupid to that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: So yeah, no.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: And listen, Tamara is not Tamara is, is, is the
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: farthest thing from hating. She loves everyone and everybody and
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: believes in all equality.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: So. Yeah, no, 1000%.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And that's why for me, this has nothing to do
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: with Tamara. Right. And I just know that as a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: parent is, it's, it's, it's, it must be challenging because
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: it doesn't reflect how you raise your kid.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, yes, a lot of
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the things are.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Started in the home for the large majority of it,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: but that's not everyone's story. And I wanted to acknowledge
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: that I applaud Tamara for standing up for what was
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: right and calling her son out on it personally, right?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Saying like, and then publicly. Well, yeah. And on Watch What.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Happens Live, she spoke out against it. And she spoke
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: out against it a few years ago as well on
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: her social media. So she's always been somebody who made
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: it very clear, this does not represent me, right? And
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I'm sure as a parent, it's even hard to publicly
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: go against your kid. When you're doing it privately too.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: So I applaud Tamara a great deal for handling it
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: in a way that I can only imagine it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Had to be tough for her. I agree.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: But I also love this scene because it showed that,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: you know, they are kind of making it over that
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: hurdle because you are going to have hiccups with your kids.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how perfect your family is. There is
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: no perfect family. So it's like, you are going to
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: have hurdles. And, and the fact that they kind of
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: overcome came this and now you see them together and
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: they're actually being cordial and happy together. It's, it's cool.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: It was a, it's a good. You know, maybe Ryan has,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: maybe he has reflected or learned a little bit more
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: or educated himself a little bit more about certain situations and,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: people on this planet that need just as much love
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: and understanding. Yeah.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: One of the other emotional moments was when Tamara was
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: taking her granddaughter Ava to give.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Her the gift.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: And they stopped by a portrait that had Tamara, Eddie, um, Ryan.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: It was, you know, this was a photo when they
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: were younger. Um, in addition to her wedding.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: So it was 13 years ago or 12 years ago.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: It was, or it's from their wedding.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: And how, um, Tamara asked, do you know who she is?
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And Ava's like, no. And she'd go, that's my daughter, Sydney.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: And she got choked up and she goes, hopefully one
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: day you could meet her.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Um, Isn't that crazy? 11-year-old Ava never met Sidney. So
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: it's been 11 years. It took me back in time, too,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: because I couldn't remember how long it had been since.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And Tamara and I do talk about these things. But
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: it took me back to where that it's really been
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: at least 11 years since they've had the falling out.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: So it must have happened right after her wedding because
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: her and Eddie have only been together, I think, 11
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: or 12 years. So she was in that photo. Sidney
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: was in that photo. So it must have happened just
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: in the last, you know, 11 years. I mean, that's
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: just crazy. That's a long time to go with that.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: And I know it breaks Tamara's heart. Oh, I know it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. The fact that she couldn't even finish her
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: sentence without her voice cracking.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Well, let me just clear this up, too. The whole
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: thing that it's because of Tamara's career is not true.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: That is not the falling out between them. I don't
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: want to go into any more detail. I'm just going
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: to say I know that that is not it. So
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: everyone that wants to say, oh, it's because Tamara kept
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: this job and she chose the job over her kid,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: that is so... not true and I want everyone to
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: just take a pause and just understand that there's a
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: lot more to it and just leave it alone.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And I just want to add to it too the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: reason why people are saying that the ones who are
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: saying it is because that's what Sydney said. So and
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Tamara obviously has said as much as she could in
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: terms of that's not the reason.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Right. And out of respect to Sydney Tamara has.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Not He just, she's just chosen to.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Zip it based on the fact that her daughter at
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: one point in time felt that their situation was being
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: used as a storyline. And the moment that was alluded,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Tamara stopped talking about it to, to make sure that
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Sydney felt like I, that's not my intention.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: And I, Because I know you believe that or whatever.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Good.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: It won't be addressed again. And I think Tamara, again,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: is tough.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I think everything she's doing now is to make sure
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: that Sydney can see that I just want to be.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Her mom again. Yeah.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I just love you.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, she wants to be her mom, but like
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: an active mom.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I love you. I'm here for you with open arms
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: whenever we can figure this out or if anything ever
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: gets figured out. That is her stance.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: And that's how.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, can you imagine if your dog just turned
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: the other way and just wouldn't talk to you?
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: It's tough.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Again, I've said this publicly. I think mothers are, I
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: think mothers is the best profession in this universe.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I think without mothers, I think second is teachers. I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: think mothers are number one. I think mothers should be
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: having a salary from the government regardless.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: No, seriously. I think you should get a salary.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, why?
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, 20 years ago, if you would have said that,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: I'd be all for it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: But now I'm done. I'm saying, like, that's a full-time job.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I think they're in a perfect world.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I wish, look at my little spoon. I know.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I was like, is that a pin? That's a really
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: thick pin. I was trying to figure out what that was.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: It's like a gavel.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: What are you doing with your pin?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's a little gavel. No, I just think like
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: being a mom is, I think it's the toughest job
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: in the world.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: And I think, I think a lot of women would
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: be stay at home moms if they got a healthy salary.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I just, and you know, this being a stay at
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: home mom as well, when your kids were younger, it's,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And I'll speak on behalf of kids who have stay-at-home mothers.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I literally am who I am because my mother stood home.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I could not imagine a world where I came home
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: and she wasn't there and I had no one to
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: bounce things off of. And that's why I applaud career
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: women because it's tough to balance both. But I definitely
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: believe that the government paid mothers a healthy salary for
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I think more women.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Possibly, possibly at least having the option of staying home
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: because it's just tough. It's tough.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of women though, too. And speaking from
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: friends that I have that just can't, they just, it's
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: like a teacher. Like I could not be a teacher.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Like I don't think I could be a part-time teacher.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: I could not be a full-time teacher. So I agree
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: with you. My hat goes off. I love them. They
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: are so important. They change the trajectory of your entire
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: children's path.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: So they're hat off to them.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Love them.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I could not do that. There are many moms that
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: feel the same way. Like they were like, when I
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: was a stay at home, they're like, I don't know
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: how you do it. Like you're there at carpool. I
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: would be picking up their kids too. Coming over to
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: my house and we'd be making Oreo, like little, like little,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: like animals out of the Oreo cookies or doing like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: I'd have projects set up. They'd be like, how do
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: you do this? How are you like? And I'm like,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. You know, and I'm
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: on a PTA. I'm on the KPA. I'm on reading
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: The Room Mom. I'm reading the, you know, stories to
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: everyone at story time. Like, I just loved it. And
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: it was my thing. And there's moms that are like,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: get me up at nine and get me to work.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: I'm five and I'll see my kids and I love
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: them and I'll bathe them and I'll read my story
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: time to them. But I do not need to be
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: with them at two o'clock when they get out of school.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And that's true. That's true.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And that's why I had to make sure to say
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: if they had the option. So listen, we have a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: lot of mothers who listen to us.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: So I want to know this. Me and Alexis want
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: to know for mothers.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: If there was the option, if you had the option,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: if you were getting paid more than six figures, being- Wait.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: That's a stupid question. You can't say six figures. If
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: you were just getting paid a decent salary, I mean,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: more than six figures, people are going to say, I
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: don't care if I want to be a stay-at-home mom
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: or not. I'm going to be a stay-at-home mom for
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: the six figures because I'm like 90 grand or 80.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we're going to do this. I'm going to ask- Google.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: What is the median salary in the U.S.? Okay.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Between... Okay. They say $ 65, 000. Okay. Told you.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: If you say offer somebody 100 grand or 120 grand
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: when they're only making 60 grand, hell yeah, any mom
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: that could not stand her kids is going to say
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: I'll be a stay-at-home mom. I want my salary.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: To do that?
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Bitch, I'll put him in front of the TV and
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: give him a Game Boy. Yes, I'll stay home. Okay,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: so mother- or maybe even a little bit less, to
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: stay at home, would you stay at home or would
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: you keep your career? You know how we sometimes listen
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: to the polls and read them? Can we please read
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: that one next week at the beginning?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. That'll be fun.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I want to hear.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, so mothers only.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: If you have the option of making $ 65, 000 a year
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: versus what you're making now, Would you be a stay-at-home
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: mom or would you take the career instead?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Let us know in the comments. This is a fascinating poll,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: by the way. It really is.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: And it has nothing to do, well, it kind of
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: does have to do with Housewives because, I mean, that's
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: where the show originated. But I was like, it has
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with the gossip of any of us.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Because guess who would be, guess who would choose career
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: for sure?
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Tamara?
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Vicky. Vicky.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh, hail.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: But you know what I have to say about her?
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Because I was her friend even when her kids were
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: still kind of in and out of the house. She
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: was still a very hands-on mom, even with her career.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, but that's the thing.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: And just so I'm clear, this isn't about you being
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: a bad mom. I think it's what you said. I
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: know tons of mothers who are like, one of my
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: friends is a mom, and I called her for something,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, he's not in school? She said, Carlos,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: it's summer break. And I said, how are you dealing
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: with this? She said, not well, bitch.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Well, can I speak a little, a little truth into
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: this too? And my kids are old enough now and
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: they probably would understand this, especially when they have kids,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: they'll get it. But by the end of summer, I
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: don't care if you want to be a stay at
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: home mom or not. You are like, please, Jesus, bring
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: me that first day of school back. And then, you know, they're,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: you're getting them ready for school. And you're like, don't
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: let the door hit you in the ass, you know,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: and then we go do backflips and we go get
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: our pedicures and all the things we've not done for
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: all summer. So I don't, I, I friend it's like, no,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: I'm I it's not going well I just put my
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: kids and gross them in sports and and and crafts
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: and um all those camps oh they were in camp
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: every day it was like camp two hours of this
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: camp two hours of this swim camp then you're doing
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: this camp where are those where are those creatures out Yes.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. No, exactly. So let us know. I can't wait.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Spotify comments or tweet.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: This will be a fun poll.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: YouTube comments too. YouTube comments too. Okay.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: So, oh honey, Carmela finds out what Vicky said about her.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Obviously.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Can we take a moment of silence for Carmela's comments
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: this episode? We just need one moment of silence.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: First of all, everything has an expiration. Okay. Comment or
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: one moment of quiet.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: And then her next one was, God, I hope she
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: has some good life insurance because I'm about to drop
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: kick an OC.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: OG.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: I'm about to drop kick an OG. Oh, I literally
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: fell off the couch. I literally was like, I, okay.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Moment of silence. Okay. Thank you, Carmela.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Carmella, we thank you for your services, and I am
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: demanding a second season contract for you, sister. Great rookie
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: season so far, right? Like a really incredible rookie season
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: for Carmella. I don't have any notes to share.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I agree. But you took the words out of my mouth.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: When she learns about what Vicky said, she's like, The
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: assurance comment.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Drop kicking an OG. Brilliant. Loved it so much.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: So they're all together now. And look, she's aware of
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: what Vicky is saying. Tamra Judge is back, stirring the pot.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Love it. You know, Carmella's making a toast. And Tamra's like,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: hold up. I know what this toast is about to
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: be about.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: She's like, she's not making a toast. She's like, I
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: know what she's getting ready to ask. She's going to
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: ask something.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Get ready.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Everybody, all the housewives are like this. All the housewives
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: are like, give me my seatbelt. Lock it. Seatbelt's on. Okay,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: we're ready. Who's getting in the car accident today?
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Baby.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, because there's no cops that's going to give you
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: guys a TikTok dance.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Because Carmella is about to stomp on your asses. So
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: in this moment....
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Look, Carmella confronts Vicky and says that, I heard what
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you said. You're saying that Danny raises the kids, you know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and Vicky's like, my words are getting twisted.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Right, Shannon? And Shannon's like, Um, sorry, you did say it.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: And then they flashed back to it though, Carlos. And
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: then they flashed back and she said those exact words.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I laughed at that though. I
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: was like, Vicky literally doesn't even remember that what she says.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: She spouts off and then she doesn't mean it to
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: be evil either. I don't think she's sitting there trying
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: to be evil. I would just, you did say it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: How can you not remember saying it? How can you
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: not remember?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: She said it verbatim. It works because Danny is raising
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the kids.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I will say this.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: And I don't give Shannon a lot of compliments, but
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I will say I appreciated Shannon standing up for the truth. Oh, yeah.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Well, she can't lie because it's on footage. They're going
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: to go back there now. Shannon's going to look like
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: a liar. Every house they're going to flash back to
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: the scene. So you can't say no when it's on
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: scene and there's a camera right there. You know the
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: truth is going to be played. Three, two, one, play it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Which is true. Which is true. Okay, that's fair. That's fair.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: That's fair. So she's like, sorry, Vicky, you said it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: And Vicky is just sort of like not trying to
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: hear it. And Carmella feels like Vicky is trying to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: discredit her. And Vicky, again, in that moment is like,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: why are we talking about this? I would never try
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: to discredit you. And then Jen is like, look, you
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: even admitted that you pick on me because I'm new.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: And Carmella says to Vicky, well, she's new here now.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Vicky's like, I'm an OG and I started this franchise.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: And Carmella said, well, honey, everything has an expiration. Yeah.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Honey, I'm telling you that's going down in housewife history.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: That's one of the, that's one of Carmela's. I mean,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Carmela is a rookie and already has like seven one-liners
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: or like good comebacks. I mean, that's definitely going down
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: in history. That is, that is like Tamara going. That's
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: my opinion.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: That is at the same level of that.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Tam, but yeah, you got your, someone matched your,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: your wittiness.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's hysterical. It was good. It was good. It was, listen,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: it was excellent.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: But we got to give another soundbite to someone that
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: was also good. When Gina goes, Carmela has big balls,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: but not bigger than Travis.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: How did it ever, you know what I was thinking
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: when I heard that, when she said that? And I
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: know it's the running joke. How did it ever come
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: about that people start talking about Travis's balls? It had
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: to be her because there's no other housewife that saw
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: his balls. So she's just out talking about her boyfriend's balls?
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I know. How did that come about, Carlos? I don't know. Jamie,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: do you know? But first of all, Jamie said Heather
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: was it. So I was right. It was Heather in
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: that scene.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: With Shannon and Vicky when Vicky made that comment.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: At the spa or whatever.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. But Jamie, do you know why? I don't remember.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Spencer might know this too. I don't know either, but
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: it's like, where did that come from?
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know because I did, there was a period
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I stopped watching OC because Tamara left.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, Evolution.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: You lost a viewer. You lost a viewer. No Tamara,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: no show, my world.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Just saying.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: I just wonder what that scene was where his balls
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: accidentally got, because you know that probably is something that
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: they wished wouldn't have come up, but then it didn't.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: You have to roll with it and just own it.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: You just got to go with it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Because it was the wink at the camera for me,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: like And I felt so stupid, like, did this happen
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: during the two seasons I stopped watching?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Like, when did she talk about Travis Big Balls?
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, so move.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Let's go. Let's go on.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm back. I'm back.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Listen, to have a rookie stand up to Vicky, superb.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: And you could tell in that moment, because Vicky was
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: literally trying to, like, change the subject.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: And, you know, because....
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: In Carmella's defense, right, at least just own it. And
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: we can move past it. And I appreciated Jen saying, look,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: and you said this too, Alexis, Vicky hazes the new girl.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: And if that's your thing, that's your thing. Giselle Bryant
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't on Potomac Housewives. It is a real thing when
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the OG hazes the new girls just to see if
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: you have what it takes. And I do believe that Carmella,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: like any other woman, would be hurt. To make that
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: sort of comment about Danny raising the kids.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: It is a fucked up thing to say. It just is.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: It's because that there's an unspoken rule also in housewives
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: when you become a housewife that the hazing is fine. Like,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong with the hazing. The
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: one thing that they do say is kids and businesses
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: are off limits. Like don't talk, don't bring those. There's
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: enough drama to go on. You don't need to bring
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: a kid or a business into it. Cause you affecting
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: the livelihood of, you know, cause the show is not
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: really your livelihood. You're you got to have something on
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: the side. Um, You never know when you're going to
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: get canned. You know, you could get canned after one
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: hit wonders. There's a lot of one hit wonders. So, like,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: I just think that that's where it came in. That's
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: where it hurt. Carmel is like, this is my kids.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: And when you, especially when you are such a devoted mom,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: it's just like, just like knife in the heart, you know.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I also think Vicky, I think Vicky really did forget
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: saying it. I don't think she remembered. Cause did you
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: see her face? She's like, I didn't say that if
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: I would have said it. So she probably meant Danny's
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: there to help with the kids and then said, Danny's
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: raising the kids.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know where that is. I don't know why
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: she would even say that because nothing even gives there's,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: there's nothing in Carmela and Danny's relationship that even makes
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: it makes you feel like that. Like with Shane and Emily,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: you can tell Shane's doing the majority of the house.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: We can tell he's the home, you know, but I don't,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I never got that feeling at all with Carmela. So
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know why Vicky would just, spout off and
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: say that.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I think, um, I think the moment that Heather checked
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: her in Vegas about like, stop it off limits, shut
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: it down. That's when Vicky should have known in that moment,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: moving forward, don't bring up the kids.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Note to self. Right.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Like note to self.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: So the problem though, Alexis, is Vicky made another distasteful
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: comment relating to Carmella and her kids. And at this point,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: it's like repeat behavior that goes to show you Yes.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: You do believe it. Like, I think... So, I'm from
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: the school of this. She inherently believes that.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: And Carmella, we saw this scene. You and I both
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: agree with this, especially you being a mother. One thing
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Kate Casey, another podcaster, who's a friend of mine, said...
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: She said, I love when new housewives join the show
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: that have teen children... Because you get to really see
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: their parenting skills through the eyes of the teens because
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: they don't give a shit.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: They're just honest. Carmella's kids love her. Their relationship is beautiful.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: They're friends.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: They're friends. They love their mom.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: And I think that Danny being around for 10 years, right?
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: They have their own relationship with him.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry. They're adults now because they're, like, what? All, like,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: around 20, like, 18 to 20. They're, like, all talking
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: about going to college and all that with Carmela's kids.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: But, like.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: But they... So then they were 10. You know, 10-ish. That's...
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: They're still... you know, being raised a lot by Danny.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, my kids were withdrew from 10 to 15 and, and, and,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: and had a lot of memories and felt like he
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: was definitely a father figure to them for those five years.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: You know, now it's been like five years, but I mean,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: so Danny has been a very, very important part of
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: their life.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: I'm still sad about that, by the way. I mean,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: we all kind of knew it was coming and you
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: could see the tension, but I'm still sad for them.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: You know, it's easy for Carmela and Danny right now
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: and the whole thing.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Um, I agree.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: And listen, Carmella's been a class act, not saying too
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: much about the breakup.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, we may get more at the reunion, but
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: as of now, she hasn't.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: And I actually respect that. I honor that.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I honor that because you don't need just because you're
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: on a reality show doesn't mean you have to give
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: every single detail of, you know, every dirty mistake. It's
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: like it sucks to break up. And they obviously didn't
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: want to. She's been waiting. She hasn't done it in
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: the past three years that she knew he cheated. So
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: she was waiting and just really trying to see if
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: she could get through it.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: What did you think about Vicky's conversation with Jen and
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Emily in terms of how they felt she treated them
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: in the house?
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Vicky felt like you guys.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: don't feel responsible at all for what happened.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: And they're like, no. And Carmella calls out the hypocrisy.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Like, how can you feel like they're responsible for how
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: you're feeling when I'm trying to tell you you're responsible
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: for how I'm feeling about what you said? But when
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: it came to the whole Vicky, Jen, and Emily debate,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: one thing Tamara did say is she met with Vicky.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: And she did feel that Vicky was remorseful.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: But in this scene, it doesn't feel like Vicky is
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: owning any parts of what happened.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: And I think she has to, for sure. I agree.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't know. I was kind of surprised by that, too.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: Because I thought after thinking it through and then them
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: actually leaving, that the next scene we saw with all
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: of them together, Jen.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Emily and Vicky, I thought that there would definitely be
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: some remorse on Vicky's side or just like, I'm sorry.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: I know I got, you know, I got ahead of
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: myself or I know that I was, but I do
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: have a different take on that too, which I'm not
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: going to probably be in popular vote. But Vicky did
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: say several times, let's just drop it and move on.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: And let's, it doesn't mean you can't ask me other
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: questions and get to know me. It doesn't mean that
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: we can't still have fun and talk about other things,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: but like we're beating a dead horse. And I did
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: kind of feel Like I put myself in a scene
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: like that. And I did feel like Emily and Jen
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: were just not going to give up on the dead horse.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Like they were going to keep beating it until Vicky
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: stopped and just dealt with it again. And Vicky's like,
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: we've already talked about this. Like, let's just, can we
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: just move on? And it never happened. So I don't know.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: I feel, but I think Vicky needed to own the
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: fact that, okay, I did say I'm done. I'm taking
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: my mic off. I'm over this. I did overreact a
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: little bit. It was uncomfortable enough to make the girls leave.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: So it was definitely tension, you know? What do you think?
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: I think this. I think in order to beat a
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: dead horse, the horse has to be alive. And I
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: think the problem is this.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: The horse never existed because Vicky never addressed it. Like,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the problem with Vicky to me this season is she
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to address anything.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: So to your point, when they catch her saying things,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't say it. Let's say for argument's sake, right?
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, fine. Let's say she forgot. She forgot. She forgot.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: You don't even want to be reminded what you did say.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't say that. Well, actually, you did. Whatever. Why
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: are we talking about this? Let's move on.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Well, because you said it.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Because you said it. And in order for us to
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: move on, we have to address it. So I think
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: the problem with Vicky, which is why I do think
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Carmella's right. I think Vicky's expiration date is season 20.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Um.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I would bet the farm on... I don't think... Whether
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: it's mutual or not, that's not my business. I just
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: don't see a world where Vicky comes back next season.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I think... I think Vicky strictly... You know what's so interesting?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: As the producer of reality television who did 10 years
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: of Housewives, when we would cast new women... The most
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: fascinating thing to me, Alexis, would always be on their
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: casting tape. They would be so bravado-ish. Yeah, I feel
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: this way. I feel that way. Yeah, I know that person.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like she's this, she's that. We're like, okay.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: They have all these opinions. The moment you put them
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: in the scene, they vanish.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: They vanish. And you're sort of like, what happened to
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: this person that had opinions?
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where's the one from the The tape, you know?
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: And what I realized is.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: They just aren't a fit for this particular type of show.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: And you respectfully let them go, right? Not a bad person,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: did nothing wrong. But I think it's like this. Anybody
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: in 2026... that signs on to be a housewife.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: You like having the gavel in the hand.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Anybody in 2026 that signs on to be a housewife,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: you know what you're signing up for.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: You better have done some due diligence. Hello. Don't be
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: a moron and go, I've never watched it.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I've never.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm doing around here.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, you do.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: You have seen enough clips, even on Instagram, when you're
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: just going... You've seen clips, you know what it's about.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: You know precisely what it's about.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: And it's okay that you don't have the personality for it.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that to say, I think Vicky just doesn't...
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: And it's nothing wrong.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: based on what she's given to the show, this isn't
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: the show she signed up for that she did 20
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: years ago. And I'm learning that strictly based on, if
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sticking to just the episodes, I'm learning this, Alexa,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: just based on the lack of accountability and the avoidance
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: of confrontation.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: The avoidance of the head-on conversation.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: And that's why next week, when Alexis Jansen makes her
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: epic return to the show.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Carlos, let's just move on. Let's skip to episode 15.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: No, I think just skip that fucking game of coconuts
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: and knees. Like, what the fuck?
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, and see, I loved that. I was like, I
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: want to do this at my next party. You don't...
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: So you didn't like it. You were over it. I
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: thought it was cute.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: No, it was cute. No, I'm joking. Listen, listen, listen.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: I liked it.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: I liked it too. But here it is.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: It's hard to recap those type of moments because it's like, hey, Alexis.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: So they had coconuts and they had the pat. So
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: for me, it.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Was like, I enjoyed it because I always like to
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: see the ladies have fun. But of course, I'm like,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: there's nothing to recap.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: How are we going to talk about that? Can we
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: try to do it through the camera?
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Like, okay, move it up. Come on. Shimmy it.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Up.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: This is my iron pills. And then I'm going to
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: pass it up.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Well, you're getting a good ab workout, okay? We can
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: leave it at that.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: I do. I do.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: So that's all I was like, skipping this and hitting
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: straight to the next one. So next week, Raindrops, Alexis
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Jansen makes her epic return. To season 20 of The
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Orange County. What we do know that
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Alexis was so graciously able to do, tease us a
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: little bit of a moment. So to recap the moment
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: that Alexis told us weeks ago, we know that there's
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: one out of three women that I mentioned that made
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Alexis cry.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: So the names were Emily, Heather, and Vicky. We will
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: find out next week which woman made our group.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: cry.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: And guess what, Raindrops? I'm not standing for it. And
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I am going to speak out against it.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: Well, you don't even know yet. And here's the thing, Carla.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I don't care. You don't deserve it.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: I have enough thick skin that even if you think
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: I am wrong, well, first of all, we're going to
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: have to hear what really happened. You know what I'm saying?
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: If they don't show what really happened, then you're going
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: to really hear it. So we have to know what
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: really happened. But then I'm fine with you saying, Lex,
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: like you.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like- I know you are.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: It's fine. You don't have to be like all like,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: you know- you know, kissing my butt about everything. Just
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: be like, God, girl, you were a fricking, you know,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: what happened to you? What was wrong with you? I
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: don't think you're going to say that though, but we'll see.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: We won't know till it airs.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I'll say this. I know you well enough to know
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: you never start anything.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: One, you're, you're definitely right.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Okay. I, I, I feel like I know you well
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: enough to know you, you don't start anything, but you
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: never back down to confrontation either.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: No, not scared of confrontation.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Uh, well, okay.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I got to leave it there. I'll leave it there.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: There could be, maybe I'm kind of over it kind
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: of aspect to it, but Yeah, I don't back down
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: and I'm not scared. Let's just say that.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: And there's a difference between not, I'm sorry, there's a
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: difference between backing down to something, but also feeling like
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: you're beating a dead horse.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: What the fuck are we doing here? There's a difference.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Or that I'm not a cast member.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe. I mean.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: I was just attending a party.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Alexis. Alexis. Alexis. We call that a smart business woman.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: If you want a confrontation, contact Spencer at... Let's talk
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: about the money.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: We're going to have a great episode with all that.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. Just wait.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: Put a pin in it. Hey, put a pin in it.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Look, look, look. Put a pin in it.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Or hang the spoon up to dry.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. That's all I'm saying. So listen, raindrops... This
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: episode was good. Another good one. This season is getting, getting, getting, getting,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: getting hotter, hotter, spicier.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: But next week, oh, Raindrops, I literally cannot wait to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: sit down and chat with my girls.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: You're going to be disappointed now. Now you're like.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: No, listen.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: I don't care if you're shown for two minutes. I
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: love seeing you on that show.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: You know that. So I'm a fan. We're not only friends.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan. So as a fan, to see you back,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I love it. And yes, it will be my birthday episode, Raindrop.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: And my one-year anniversary episode.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Yes!
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: We have that in common. So we leave right after
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: our episode that we tape. We leave on another little,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: we're doing a staycation this weekend, but we leave on
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: a little two-day thing. But are you not doing your normal?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to say where you're going.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: No, it's funny. Not this year. Not this year.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: There's so much going on.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: This is the first time in a lot of years though.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Like maybe like four or five. Yeah. But I'm making
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: them for later this year. Ah, okay. And that wasn't
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: for big balls either.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: She did that twice this episode. You know that, right?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: She did the.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I love Gina. I just. She's good.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Woody comments.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I love her.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I'm a, I'm a huge Gina fan. So I think
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: she's fantastic. But yes, we have a lot to celebrate
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: next Friday. So, Rangra, you will see Alexis and I again.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: But please make sure you answer our question.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Mothers only, though. Leave a comment. Oh, yes, that. Yes.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: We do want that. I want to start with that poll.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: I think that's just kind of fun. And I want
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: to know. I think it could be 50-50. I think
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of moms that will want to go
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: to work no matter what because they just need that.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: That's their thing. And then there's some moms that would
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: stay home if they had the opportunity.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: So let us know. Alexis, I love you, sister. I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: will see you next week. And Raindrops, answer the poll.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: And we will see Alexis back next Thursday and back
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: here next Friday, okay?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Bye.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Love you, boo.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Bye-bye.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 1:03:35
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• 1:03:40
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