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137. Summer Break and The Need For Creed · 4-Freedom Podcast

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Welcome to the Four Freedom podcast.
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Joy I can't lose. And thank God it's true.
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Now here are your hosts, James Seyfrik and Brett Martin.
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Welcome back everyone, to the Four Freedom Podcast.
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We're here to offer hope and help and healing from those
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who've been spiritually abused in the IFB movement.
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And man, we are thankful and grateful for you as listeners
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who have tuned in faithfully every week over the last.
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Oh man, feels like 20 something weeks the first half of the
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year. And we're excited about going
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into our break. Our summer break will be taking
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the month of June and July off and hoping to jump back up in
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August. And I got a lot of great things
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planned already. Our schedule is almost full for
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the last half of the year. But Brett, man, we're excited.
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We leave in just a couple of days to be together at the
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Southern Baptist Convention and I hope you are excited about
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that as I am and ready to go to Indiana, Indianapolis and be
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there. How are you doing, man?
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I'm excited about it. You know, we've been planning
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this trip for, I mean, I guess you'd call it a year since last
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year when we were in New Orleans.
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We've been planning this trip and it's hard to believe that
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it's here and we'll be there. I guess we'll be there this
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Saturday in Indianapolis and most of next week.
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So yeah, we've definitely been looking forward to it a lot and
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it's kind of the end of my my first season on the podcast.
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I know that y'all would have rather had John than me, but I
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have definitely enjoyed my time on the podcast so far.
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And I look forward to, you know, coming back from the break and
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hit the road running again. Yeah.
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And we are excited about those who are going to be there in
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Indianapolis with us and getting to hang out with us a lot of.
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People are coming. Yeah, yeah.
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We are hoping to be able to do some lunches and some dinners
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with people. And me and Brett have rent a
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house. I've actually got a guy that's
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real close to the church here. He doesn't go to our church, but
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he said he'd love to go sometime.
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And so I told him, hey, man, we're we're get a house and come
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hang out with us. And so he said maybe next year
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if he can swing it with his work schedule.
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And so that, that's going to be great.
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But man, I'm looking forward to really this is, it's one of
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those times to get away. It's, I don't want to say
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vacation time, but it is a time of being away from ministry,
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hearing good preaching at the pastor's conference and then
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being able to sit under the business of the SPC.
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I tell people often, if we're going to be Southern Baptist, if
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we're going to be part of the convention, we need to be there.
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We need to have a voice, we need to have a say, we need to have a
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vote. And if we're not going to have a
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vote, if we're not going to have a say, then there's no point in
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being a part of it. And so one of the things that I,
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me and Marcus talked about last year when I was there is he said
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it's like Halloween for Baptist is what we call it.
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Because we go into the exhibition hall, the exhibition
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hall where all the exhibits are set up and it's like candy and
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free books and they're giving away Yeti coolers and you got to
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register. And it's like, yeah, this is
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this is the Baptist Halloween. Like we're going around and
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we're stocking up on candy before the trip and we're
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picking up all these free books and yeah, it's great.
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You. Are I've heard you are the book
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master. Man, one year, one year, Brett,
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I came back with about 60 lbs of books because we flew to
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California. And the only reason why I know
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it's that much is because we bought another suitcase, filled
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it up, and when I put it on the scale, it was about 60 lbs and I
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had to take 10 lbs out of it before I could get to the
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airport. That was my best haul, best year
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ever, but that was the year after COVID and so everybody was
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trying to give away all their excess stock from the year
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before that. Haven't had a haul since then,
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but I normally come back with a pretty good stack of books free.
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I traditionally don't pay for much when I go there.
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I try to haul in free books and free things.
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There's one again because I've been now they send me emails.
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Hey, don't forget to stop by and check out our books.
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These are our giveaways every day because they want you to
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come back every day. And so there's one booth that
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will be going to They're giving away a book on Monday.
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They're giving away a shirt and maybe a pin on Tuesday, but on
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Wednesday they're giving out Bluetooth speakers.
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And so you better believe I'm going to stop in there because
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you never know when you need a Bluetooth speaker hanging on the
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back of your backpack, being able to blare Jesus music.
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And so yeah, I'll be be hitting up different booths every day.
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I try to stop in first thing in the morning, hit all the
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freebies, and then hang out at the convention.
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And for me, now that I've been a couple of years, it's good to be
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able to see faces that I know, people that we've met and get to
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hang out with. Guys part of the RFP, not part
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of the RFP. Guys I grew up with, people that
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I went to college with. It's just good to hang out and
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I'll be around some of those people when.
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When I was in New Orleans, I, I was surprised at how many people
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I saw that I know, of course, you know, I, you know, I was
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from an area not far from New Orleans, but we saw a lot of
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people there and I was surprised how many, how much RFP fam was
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there and recognized me and come up and said, hey, and man, it
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was just good to get to hang out.
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And I'm looking forward to to this coming Saturday.
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I think it's going to be like a nine and a half hour drive for
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me on Saturday, but it'll be worth it.
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I'm looking forward to it. And I'm looking forward to the
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Pastors Conference. I didn't get a chance to go.
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I only went to like the last two sessions of the pastors
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Conference in New Orleans. And so I'm looking forward to
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attending the whole thing next week.
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Yeah, absolutely can't wait. And after that we'll be having
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our for the sake of the gospel meet up there in about South
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California. They're in Catoosa.
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They're in Brett star at J CS church.
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Man, my words are brutal today. J CS church down in Catoosa Hope
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Church there and looking forward to that.
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And then as far as we're planned right now, Israel is still on
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unless something happens unless God intervenes and and stops
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that. But we are still planning to go
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forward with going to Israel and I've been visiting the Holy Land
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and we hope you will make plans to join us and we'll go with us.
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If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to
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me or Brett. And our emails are on the
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website and you can contact us and you can direct messages and
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find out more information if you're interested in going on
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that. We also will see our Israel Rep
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next week during the during the conference.
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And so, you know, if we get any additional details about that,
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we'll put that on the Facebook page, make it available to you,
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and any extra details we get, we'll be sure to let you know.
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Absolutely looking forward to seeing Paris and Marcus and
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hanging out with him a little bit and that's going to be a
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great time. What?
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Hey Brett, one of the things I love about Marcus and you got to
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see this last year is Luther Rice has a really cool set up.
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Typically they've got nice comfy chairs and anytime I can find a
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booth with comfy chairs and have a seat, it's always good During
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that time, especially if there's something going on at the
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convention that I really don't have a need to sit in or a care
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to sit in. I'll leave and go walk through
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the exhibit hall and then just run into people and make
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connections. And some of my favorite
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connections, Brett, that I've made in the past are some just,
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you know, local guys or young guys that are, are women that
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are, we actually have had one of those contacts come on the
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podcast. We talked to the third Hope for
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Addiction last year after the convention.
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We lined up a meeting with her and we had her come on the
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interview. That was a great connection
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there. But man, there's also some great
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little curriculums that come out, some discipleship
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curriculums that people will put out and that typically they just
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give it away free. They just want to be a blessing.
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And so I've got several of those that I've picked up and used in
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the past. And, and you know, anything
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that, that are just tools in our belt that we can use to help
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disciple people in the ministry outside the ministry is also
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always a great thing. And so I, I do love that and do
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enjoy that. And then, you know, for me, life
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weighs there and they've got them.
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They typically have a 5060% off sale that goes on.
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So I try to pick up a couple of of commentaries or things that
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I'm looking at so well, I'm. Going to bring, I'm going to
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bring an empty book sack. And so I'm going to trust that
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you're going to help me fill that joker up with some books.
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And so we're going to, I'm going to be with you and we're going
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to try to, to get some good stuff this year.
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Our goal is to fill it up multiple times, Brett, everyday
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fill it up. And so well, hey, we're coming
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up on the convention and if you're not SBC guy, you may want
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to just tune us off, but may give some good information for
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you. We're going to discuss a couple
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of things going into the convention and talk about some
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some issues that are coming up, some things that they're going
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to be addressing. Really there's there's three big
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issues that they're that are always an issue.
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One is the resolutions committee.
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They come up with resolutions or just statements from the
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convention and there's ten of them this year.
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The the list of them came out this past week.
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And so I'll just read through Brett, the the resolutions and
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I'll, I'll just, like I said earlier, I'll talk about a
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couple of them that I think are going to be the most hot topic
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or contested ones. And every year there's a couple
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of them that are talked about. But we're the first resolution
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is on the SPC leadership. The second one is on defending
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religious liberty. The third is just war and the
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pursuit of peace. The 4th is justice and peace in
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the aftermath of the October 7th attack on Israel.
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The fifth one is the pro-life ethic and the post Roe society.
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The 6th one is the ethical realities of reproductive
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technology and the dignity of human human embryos.
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The 7th one is the 7th yeah is on the God-given rights and
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responsibility of parents. The next one is the danger of
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abusing non disclosure and non disparaging agreements.
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The next one is the evangelism and the Great Commission.
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And then the last one, they always do an appreciation for
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the city that we're at Indianapolis into the
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appreciation there. As I look through this list and
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I read through the different resolutions, the two that stood
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out to me that are going to be the most highly talked about
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contested. And I may be completely wrong,
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Brett, but I believe it's going to be the abusing of the non
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disclosure and non disparaging agreements based on some things
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that have happened in the SPC over the last several years with
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the convention and the colleges using these non disclosure
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agreements and how that can be. And after reading through that a
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little bit, I think so. And the last one I think will be
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talked about the most will be the ethical realities of
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reproductive technologies and the dignity of human embryos.
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That's a big topic right now with the IVF and the industry
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there. And so I think those couple of
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things are going to be talked about.
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The abortion in the Roe V Wade's always an issue that's talked
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about with the abolishment people.
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And, and I'm great with that as well.
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I, I, I believe we should abolish any type of abortion,
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but that's always a, a, a hard topic because there, there's a
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fine line where, where there, there is a group of people that
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want to abolish it and punish women that have had abortions.
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And, and so there's that fine line of, OK, well, how, how far
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do we go here? What do we do?
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We want to respect the woman. We don't know the situation
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she's in. She may even be an unsaved
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person. She may not even know Jesus.
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And she's just doing what the society has told her to do that
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unsaved people don't know what to do with what is right and
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wrong. And so there's, there's always a
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fine line there of how we can minister.
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And so those issues will be definitely big topic issues as
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well. Definitely.
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And the, the IVF is definitely a big issue that needs to be
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addressed because you know, there are you, you do have a
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responsibility when you, you know, when you make an embryo,
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you have a responsibility to that life.
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And so, but at the same time, there are parents or even good
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Christian people that, that you know, want to have children and
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can't have children unless they go through this process.
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I personally know some couples that, you know, Christians and,
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you know, had to go through this process to have children and
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could not have children any other way.
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And now they're blessed with children.
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And that's a good thing. And so it's a brand new door.
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It's a brand new area. We never thought that Roe V.
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Wade would ever be overturned. I never thought I would ever see
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that in my entire life. So now we've got this new, this
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new realm that we have to deal with these new issues.
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And while that's a good thing, that that does bring up more
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questions and more issues that we need to deal with.
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And so, yeah, I think that definitely talked about.
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Absolutely. And and Speaking of Roe V Wade
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there, Brett, what some of the problem with some of the
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conservative states are is that when Roe V Wade did get
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overturned, it reverted back to the the law of the land in the
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state and it went back to what they had passed.
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And some of the states, instead of staying conservative and
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saying we're not going to have any abortion, we went to a six
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or eight or twelve week ban on abortion up until that point.
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And So what happened was is when it did get overturned, it went
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back to, well, now they can have it in this state up to 12 weeks
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or up to six weeks or up to 8 weeks.
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And so there were a couple states that had still in the
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books where abortion was illegal in that state, but the federal
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government had it to where it was legal.
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So when that was overturned, it went back and some of these
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states were set up to where it stayed at an illegal set up.
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And so that's where we as as Christians need to be wise and
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be diligent on what we do and how we pass things and how we
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word things because as when things do get overturned in in
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God's sovereignty and God's grace upon upon those lawmakers
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were able to overturn that. Well, now it's back to the
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state. And so we're having to fight
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other battles. And so those are some things.
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Next up Brett, I I think we'll talk about is the we'll save the
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the article that you have printed out for us for the last
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thing is the law amendment. This is the amendment in the
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bylaws. It was passed last year, but to
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amend the bylaws, it has to be passed two years in a row and
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law amendment goes just basically the state that we're
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clarifying and further defining the role of a pastor at a
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church. Pastor should be a male ordained
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man up of upright standing and it's just clarifying that
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language. I'm for it.
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I think it's a great thing. I think if anything, if people
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weren't for it last year, they should evaluate and look at
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what's happening to the United Methodist Church right now and
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understand that if we don't define more properly and more
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clearly where we stand, then bad things will happen in the
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future. And I don't know if you follow
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the news or not, but in one day, in one day, the United Methodist
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Church lost 1,000,000 members, 110th of their association of
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their, of their community pulled out from the United Methodist
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Convention because they went far to the left.
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But, but it didn't happen in one day, Brett.
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It happened because ten years ago, 12 years ago, the United
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Methodist Commission began to adopt women pastors.
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And when they began to adopt women pastors, now it became a
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transgender pastor. And after a transgender pastor,
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it became a homosexual couple. And after a homosexual couple.
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Now we've got to take our confession of faith and we've
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got to adopt it to fit where our confession is AT.
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And now we're taking things away from a confession.
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And so I would rather add things and be more conservative
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fiscally in our confession than to to not have it there and to
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open a door for us to go into a slippery slope of where we're at
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and so. You should think that is this
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going to seriously, they lost a million members you think was
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just going to hurt them financially?
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Well, not at first, because you have to understand what the
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Methodist, the individual individual churches don't own
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their property. So like the organization owns
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their property. So in order for a church to pull
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out of the, of the Methodist, they have to sell their property
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and give the, the UMC the, the money.
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And so they'll, they'll coast on that money for a little while,
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but eventually it is going to hurt them.
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And it's just a, it's such a sad, sad thing to see compromise
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destroy something like that. But I'm glad to see there's
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still some people that are still standing by what the word of God
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says. Yeah, well, it just goes to show
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how large 'cause this was the Ivory Coast Association of the
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United Meth Convention, which was the African Convention that
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pulled out. Just goes to show how strong in
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other worlds, other countries that we sometimes see as Third
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world countries are more conservative and more balanced
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in their approach to ministry than sometimes we are.
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And that the African Convention said, we're not going to stand
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with this and the entire after convention is going to pull out,
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which is 10% of the population of the United Methodists, which
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is a huge signal to say we need to be aware, we need to be on
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guard and there's opportunities for us to plant our stake and to
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further define where we're at and to make some great
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confessional statements of where we're at as a convention.
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And so for those reasons, I'm for it because we know Scripture
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says it's for a male only pastors.
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And so why would we not be for that?
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Why would we not say, yeah, let's go ahead and make this
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crystal clear in our own confession, in our own bylaws,
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in our own what we believe. And go ahead and put this there
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because we want to be Brett. I'll put like this in our
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church. And in my church, I try as much
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as humanly possible to make sure that every member of my church
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is a born again believer. That's it's a membership, that's
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basic membership. OK.
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And so if that's going to be the case there, why would we not
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have sets of guidelines for churches that are going to
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cooperate in, in friendly cooperation with our churches
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that is closely defined as we can.
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And so we're only going to be stronger together than we are
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separate. And if we take that mentality,
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we're going to take it to its fullest extent and say, OK,
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let's be together in one mindset of what we believe and and how
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we cooperate together. Absolutely.
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Yes, Sir. So.
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Brett, let's talk about this last thing and then we'll be
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done. Shorter episode today, but just
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hitting a couple of things as we head to the convention and then
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we'll we'll talk about something what's, what's the last thought
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of of today of what we think is going to be big at the
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convention coming up? The question on the table is,
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does the SPC have a need, a need for creed?
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So this last issue is so next month for Southern Baptist, and
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I'm going to go ahead and read the names Andrew Brown, Stephen
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Lawrence, Steve McKinnon and Malcolm Yarnell are going to
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move that the messengers amend the Baptist faith and messages,
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the Baptist faith and message with the article, the creed, the
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creed they're referring to is none other than the 19 Creed.
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And So what they want to do is they want to take the Nicene
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Creed and they want to add it to the Baptist Faith and Message
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2000. And they're doing this, they
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claim, for the sake of doctrinal clarity and increase unity.
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Now, I've seen a lot of things go back and forth.
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I've seen, I've read a lot of people's opinion on this before.
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I kind of developed my own opinion.
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Some people are for putting the creed in there because it's a
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historical, you know, early church creed that's, you know, a
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lot of people agree with and they say it just gives more
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clarity on some certain issues and just adds depth to the
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Baptist faith and message 2000. So that's one side of it.
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But then there's the other side of it where, you know, is it
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just a redundancy? Is it, you know, isn't the
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Baptist faith and message isn't it, you know, sufficient as, you
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know, as a confession? You know, what extra details is
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this going to? Is Creed going to add the
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Baptist faith and message doesn't already have?
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And I can't see too much where you know it is going to add
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anything, anything extra. What's your opinion on it?
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Well, Brett, when I first saw this come out and I think maybe
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you or John or someone shared it with me, my initial thought was,
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oh, I know that. I see in Creed, it's a, it's a
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great Creed, It's a, it's a great statement.
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No, I'm not, I'm not against that.
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I, I think it's great. That was my first initial knee
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jerk reaction. Then I began to sort of look
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into it a little more, compare what it said in this Article 9
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of the Nicaea and Creed to the actual Baptist Faith and
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Message. And what I began to see is
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there's a, there's a progression in when the, when the writers of
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the Baptist Faith Message 2000 sat down and wrote things, they
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wrote it in a progressional sense.
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And so it starts at one point, talks through the church and
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Godhead, the Father, the Son, the Spirit begins to walk
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through all these different things in a progressional sense.
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And so there is a structure to it for a specific reason and a
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specific purpose to it. And then it sort of bundles
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everything in together. When you throw the Creed in at
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the end, it disconjoins that a little bit because the things in
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the Creed have, yeah, the things in the Creed have already been
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talked about. The things that that there.
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It's sort of like rehashing the same thing that was just
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discussed. So when I saw that, I was like,
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OK, that doesn't really flow with the Baptist faith and
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message for my first thing. Exactly.
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Yeah. The second thing and I think
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Molar had said this is Baptists are or the Southern Baptist
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Convention is a confessionalist convention.
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We adhere to confessions of faith.
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The Baptist faith and message is a confession.
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The Southern Baptist Convention in in its existence 100 and 7080
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years, however long it's been, they have never adopted a creed.
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They are not credo Baptist. They are confessionalist
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Baptist. So for that reason, this would
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go against the traditional norms of the Southern Baptist
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Convention as we are confessionalist, we're not credo
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Baptist. We affirm that our creed is the
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Bible and that's where we stand on our credo.
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So for those reasons, after looking at it from that side of
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it and after thinking about it, after praying through it, I, I,
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I don't think I would be for this, for the reason of it.
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It causes this discomfort, disunity, uncohesion of
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thoughts. And then the last thing it does
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is it, it puts us in the Baptist faith and message.
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And so if a church is not a credo church that does not have
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creeds in their church and they just forsake of, of unity and
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forsake of clarity, decide that they don't want to be a part of
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a credo, well then they would not be in friendly cooperation
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with the church. And so for those reasons, I, I
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think I would be against this. This article been brought up to
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amend the Baptist Faith of Masses 2000.
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A couple of points that I want to bring out in this article.
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Is it? It says a couple things.
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It says the oldest generations of Baptist quoted the Nicene
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Creed verbatim, and then you're dark down.
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And it says for nearly two millennia, Christians have
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universally used the Creed for both teaching and worship.
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Now, listen for me, if you're trying to appeal to me,
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tradition is not the way to do it, OK?
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Tradition is just not a good enough reason for me.
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We need to do it this way because we've always done it
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this way. You know, more of a appeal to me
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is what's in the word of God. You know, and like you, you, you
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had said, we were talking about this earlier and you said for
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the Southern Baptist, the Bible is our creed.
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You know, the New Testament is our creed.
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So traditionalism is not, is not a good way to, you know, to
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appeal to me about this. And then near the end of the
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article, it talks about, you know, the Dean of Southern
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Baptist theologians, James Leo Garrett Junior, noted even the
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most recent version of the Baptist faith and message
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remains underdeveloped regarding the Trinity.
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And you know, I, I just don't, I think it's sufficient.
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I mean, the Baptist faith and message says the eternal triune
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God reveals himself to us as Father, Son and Holy Spirit with
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distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature,
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essence or being. And then it goes right into the
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God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
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That's like 4 paragraphs on the Trinity.
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I don't think it's underdeveloped at all.
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And then the last thing I want to bring out is it says with the
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church throughout the ages, we will invariably find that our
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faith and message, no matter how well-intentioned, diverges from
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that once for all delivered to the Saints.
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So what he's saying in this article is, is not just the
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Baptist faith and message. Is it sufficient?
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He's saying that the Baptist faith and message without the
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creed diverges from the faith that was once for all delivered
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to the Saints. And I disagree with that
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wholeheartedly. You know, that the Baptist faith
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and message diverges us from the truth that was delivered to us
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in the word of God. I, I think it's, I think by
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putting, I agree with you, it's going to disrupt the flow.
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It's going to restate things that have already be been
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stated. You put the creed in there.
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It's just going to be a hodgepodge of copy paste
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redundancy. And I don't see the point.
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I don't see where it gets any more depth than the Baptist
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faith and message does. All it does is restate the same
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thing. Yeah, I agree 100%.
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And I think those are great points, valid points.
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And I'm, I'm excited, Brett, since my very first convention
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in Nashville back in 2021, I think it was, yeah, 2021.
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The, the banter. I believe that there needs to
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be, I'm an old school guy, man. I like to, to watch the old
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school senators and House of Representatives when they begin
29:00
to debate a bill and they begin to go back and forth and
29:04
they're, they're, they're calling on their party and
29:06
they're calling on these things to be changed.
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I just love that side of it. I, I see it's a natural debate
29:13
that that is good, that's healthy.
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But when it's all said and done, we, we get through where we're
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at. We make our appeal, we make our
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vote, we move forward with it. I just love that sense of debate
29:25
and contesting back and forth. Some people are like, it's a
29:30
bunch of just junk. And I just, I just, I, I find it
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fascinating. I think it's great.
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We need more of that decorum. We need more of that back and
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forth banter where we get to just voice where we're at.
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And, and sometimes, man, I'll go in and I'll be thinking one way
29:47
and we'll, we'll have that debate.
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And I'm like, no, OK, I'm, I'm a different way now because I've
29:51
heard so and so give their opinion and I've been able to
29:54
hear this side of it. So I'm excited about it.
29:56
I think it's going to be great. If all else fails, we're going
30:00
to have a great time of fellowship.
30:01
We're going to eat some fantastic food and man, we're
30:04
going to have a great time together.
30:06
And so I'm looking forward to it and looking forward to hanging
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out with you here in just a couple of days.
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You know, nobody else that I know of in my association is
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going to the convention. I think I'm the only one.
30:20
And for them, you know, they've been in the SPC their whole
30:23
lives. They've been in the ministry
30:25
20-30 years. I mean, I, I can only assume, I
30:28
guess they're just disinterested or over it.
30:30
But me, I'm like, I'm new to the, you know, relatively new to
30:36
the SPC. You know, this is really the 1st
30:40
officially Southern Baptist church that I've pastored.
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I've been here two years. Last year was my first
30:46
convention. I was unsure going in, but man,
30:50
I went and I absolutely fell in love.
30:53
And I was so thankful that you were there to kind of help guide
30:57
me through the process because I was brand new.
31:01
It's like a a new kid coming to a new school and you were
31:05
showing me around campus the first day and you know, it was a
31:10
great experience for me. I'm glad I'm going to get to go
31:13
to the whole thing this year. I'm excited for it.
31:18
I'm excited to participate. I'm excited to be a Southern
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Baptist and I'm excited to see what the Lord's going to do
31:27
through this. Love it, can't wait.
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It's going to be exciting. Hope to see you there.
31:32
Hope you'll join us. And we'll try to give some, some
31:35
different we, we may actually do a little live thing on Facebook
31:39
while we're there. And we're going to try to get
31:41
our wives record an episode together while we're there as
31:44
well. And man, we're just excited
31:46
about what the Lord's doing in our lives and our churches and
31:50
the convention. And ultimately it's again, how
31:53
we can cooperate together and do more together than we can
31:56
separate. And so if you ever have any
31:58
questions, feel free to reach out to us.
32:00
We may not have the answers, but we'd love to have a thought and
32:05
be able to talk through those things.
32:07
We hope you've enjoyed this last series of the In the Church
32:10
series and talk through these different issues.
32:15
We're gonna, we've wrapped all that up with missions and para
32:18
church ministries. If you have a para church idea
32:22
or I'm sorry, not a para church idea, an idea that would go
32:26
along within the church. Maybe we didn't talk about it.
32:28
Maybe we, we talked. We, we need to talk more about
32:30
something that we didn't hit long enough.
32:33
Shoot us a message, put a comment on our Facebook or mess
32:36
or, or instant messages or however you feel like doing
32:39
that. And we'll try to work that into
32:41
our fall season, our second season of the year.
32:45
And looking forward, we're going to be doing some crossover
32:47
episodes with the RFP Network and just excited about the
32:52
future of the podcast. We're here and we're going to
32:55
here to stay and can't wait for what we've got going on.
32:59
Brett, final thoughts before we close it down.
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Yes, there's 104 days of summer vacation and I want y'all to
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enjoy each and every one of them.
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Have a great summer. Yes, and until next time to God.
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Not the pastor. Be the glory.
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Found my new name. Found that good grace.
33:20
Found that healing. And the tears fell down my face
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when I found my beginning that has no ending.
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Found that second chance. Found my best friend.
33:28
Found my forgiveness. Found my happiness.
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I've been singing ever since. I found my freedom on me.
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