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Elizabeth Pipko - Political Media Strategist & Author | The Hidden Forces Controlling Your Political Beliefs · Success Story with Scott Clary

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2016 when I got involved in politics for most people getting involved in like a local election for me
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It was the craziest presidential campaign in American history, but it was a presidential campaign
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I think once you get into politics at least as deep as I did your life is kind of never normal
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She broke into the world as a high-fashion model
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But behind the photo shoots and runways was a voice too powerful to be quieted
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Elizabeth Pipco is a modern-day icon for conviction balancing her life in the spotlight with a deep commitment to faith, freedom, and unapologetic truth
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People now only care about being relevant, that's why I hate social media
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They know they can't be embarrassed anymore because the news cycle changes every two seconds
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Whatever you say that will get attention even negative people will forget in an hour
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But you've gained 10,000 followers
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Social media has allowed our enemies to infiltrate this country
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In the easiest way possible by hitting the next generation
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No one knows what 14-year-olds are doing on their phones
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No one can stop them from being on their phones or being on these apps
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Anyone in the world can feed them whatever material that they want
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That's when you have a real problem
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As a writer, political commentator, and founder of the less people forget movement
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She's dedicated to preserving history, elevating dialogue, and protecting the values that matter
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She's proof that you can embrace elegance and stand for something that lasts
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If I was not as close as I was, maybe I would hate Donald Trump
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I don't blame anyone who are feeling the way that they feel because they only get to read the headline
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No one is going to believe in you if you don't believe in yourself
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If you don't like who you are, it doesn't matter if anyone likes you ever
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That's why I supported Donald Trump for so long
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Because he taught me what it means and how powerful it is to believe in yourself
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What is something that you haven't spoken about?
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About your story that people would be interested to know?
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It's weird because I'm very open, like too open
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Like everyone thinks that they're open and then everyone I meet is like, no, it's actually that's not the real me
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I'm actually the real me, I think everyone knows everything
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I don't think people realize how like goofy and nerdy and awkward I am
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But otherwise everyone kind of knows everything
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You do have an interesting story
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So you went from modeling for top fashion magazines
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You became the national spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee
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What was the moment because you've been sort of involved and adjacent to politics for a while
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Now what was the moment when you actually decided that you were sort of shelving modeling to a degree
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shelving figure skating to a degree I know you had an injury at one point which is probably what started that
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But what was the moment when you're like, I am putting regular life aside
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I really want to focus on politics
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Yeah, I mean that moment never existed
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It was 2016 when I got involved in politics
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And for most people getting involved is like volunteering in like a local election
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For me it was the craziest presidential campaign in American history
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But it was a presidential campaign so I was 21
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No college degree not a lot of work experience and I ended up on Donald Trump's 2016
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presidential campaign of one of maybe a hundred or so staffers in Trump tower in New York City
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So I kind of accidentally ended up
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There and I thought what do you mean accidentally ended up?
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I mean the reason I asked is because I always wonder
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Even with Trump I'm always like why go into politics right like life is so good
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Not for him he really life was good. He had no reason. I my life wasn't as good
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But no I was 21 years old
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I really had nothing going on like I tell the story all the time
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I say Donald Trump saved my life people don't you know like it if they don't like him
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But genuinely apart from politics
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I was in a really bad place and I didn't really have much of a future
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I was failing out of a few college classes. I had no friends to not know what I wanted to do
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I was genuinely very depressed and then my little brother
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Told me to start watching Donald Trump
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While he was campaigning and I said why because I had never been very political
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And he said it's not about political. It's about the fact that the guy is pulling it 2%
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And he's showing up every single day saying I'm going to be the next president
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Like that's the inspiration that you need
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So I started watching him
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fell in love with that spirit again less politics more personal just watching this guy show up every day
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Super confident. He was going to be the next president despite the entire planet laughing at him
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Um, I knew I needed more of that in my life to get my act together
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And then my brother
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Asked me to go volunteer for the campaign which really for most campaigns is either knocking on doors or phone banking
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We were in New York City so you're not knocking on apartment doors of only Democrats
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So it was just phone banking
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So we went there. We made a few phone calls
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For the campaign I decided I was kind of interested in doing more
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Just because I used to be a professional athlete and that part of me
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I guess came back to life when I was inspired to be in this building and be around all these people
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Working out a presidential campaign
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I wrote a letter to the data director of the campaign telling him
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That the volunteer operation was garbage and I could fix it
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I asked an intern who was like 14 at the time to bring my letter up and leave it on this guy's desk
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And he hired me the next day
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I love that and he and Trump is like an absolute workhorse
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Like I hear the story forget
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How he like even when he campaigns he's non-stop
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Like he literally never stops
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Even when you hear stories about him on Joe Rogan
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Like going for three hours without taking a sip of water
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Like the guy has unlimited stamina for his age
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While it's it's I can't keep up like everyone that's with him
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That's like what we joke around about is trying to not look tired in front of him
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Because we can't keep up with him like that's just what it is
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I was with him
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It was right before election day so the day before election day I was in Pennsylvania
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It was his third rally of the day already he already done one in a different state
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This was the second one in Pennsylvania
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I spoke at that rally it was the first time I'd ever actually gone to a rally in 10 years of being in Trump
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We're only got to speak so you know 30,000 people at this rally
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It's paying out backstage with the president
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He gave a speech there that's his third speech of the day
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So I'm exhausted from my 15 minutes
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That's his third speech of the day on the campaign
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She really goes much much longer than I did of course
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Third speech of the day in second state of the day
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Then he was heading to Michigan for the fourth speech that day
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Which he gave around one in the morning
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Returned back around 5 a.m. to Florida
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Maybe 6 a.m. and then had to live through election day
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And I think at that point hadn't slept in 72 hours
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And you can't use can't tell
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He is an absolute machine
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Now I think that it's pretty safe to say that your identity is more wrapped up in politics than anything else
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Forget the fact that Trump was an inspiration
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And obviously you're highly loyal to him
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And the fact that he won that's all great
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But outside of that are you ever upset that you
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Tied your identity to politics and not
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I know like life wasn't perfect
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There's a lot of other paths that you've gone on
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And we've spoken about this
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All the different things that you've tried to figure out
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I mean A there's other things in life that I do
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That I think are very cool and very special
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And a part of me that people don't think about
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Because all they want to talk about is Donald Trump
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Nowadays whether you like him or don't like him
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Or close to him or not
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That's all people care about
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But B there's just being normal
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And I have never gotten
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At least in the last 10 years of my life or as an adult
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I have never gotten to being normal
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My life for better or worse
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For the last 10 years has been about fighting for this
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Stranger
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Who now I know obviously pretty well
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But a random politician
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And I think once you get into politics
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At least as deep as I did
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Your life is kind of never normal again
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So it's a lot
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So you face a lot of attacks
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And I think that everybody
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In politics in general
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But also in Trump's can't face a ton of attacks
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You have been called a Nazi
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Which is interesting
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Yeah
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Considering your Jewish
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Or the Nazi
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Where you come from
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What do you think about
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What do you think about the modern interpretation of Nazism
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And just talk about
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Because your grandparents warned you about
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The fact that the Holocaust wasn't ever over
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How October 7th obviously changed all of our perspectives
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On what it means to be Jewish in this world
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But what's your reaction when somebody calls you
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A modern orthodox Jew and Nazi
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I mean at first it's horrible
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Like any attacks are horrible
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And I had a really difficult time in the very beginning
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Just because I'd never been attacked
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Like that
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You go overnight
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Really from no one knowing your name
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To it's still being pretty irrelevant
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But enough people wanting you to be
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In some kind of pain or to hurt you
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Or
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Threatening you in some way
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Which is horrible and scary
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And so the word
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You know like hearing the word Nazi
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As a 23 year old girl
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Who had no idea why she had deserved
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That message to begin with like that scary
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Now it's more sad because the term has lost all meaning
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And because we're throwing it around
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And insulting people the way that we are
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And I'm personally not impacted
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But I know a lot of people who would be
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Who maybe didn't spend the last 10 years in politics
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Like I did and didn't develop that thick skin
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Knowing that they're receiving those insults
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worries me a lot
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Makes me sad and
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Be it's just worrisome as an educated adult
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To know that history means nothing clearly
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Because we're throwing around that term
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To people we don't like in America
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Because they voted a different way from us
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But that's wild to me
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Like there's always animosity in politics
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But how do we get to the point
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Where we've basically like to your point
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We've removed the meaning of the term Nazi
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It's so much so that it's like a casual
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Like they're throwing it around casually
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Like if
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World War II is not that long ago
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But people forget very quickly
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How do you think we got to this point
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Here's what I'll say
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I don't think it's as newest people realize
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I just think because of social media
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It's taken over
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I remember someone called
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Donald Trump a fascist
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A few years ago
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Right before I had done a TV interview
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So they were talking about
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And then I was coming on to then discuss it
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And I remember thinking to myself
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The fact that we're using the phrase fascist
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Is embarrassing
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My parents actually fled fascism
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You might not like Donald Trump
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You might not like any Republican
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Or Democrat
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But we should not throw the term around here
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For either side
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And I remember calling my dad after
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I did the interview
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And he said
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Let me tell you a story
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When I first came to America
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I think he was in law school
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Not even sure
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But he went to Yale law school
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So one of the best in Columbia
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University
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So wherever it was it was great
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And he said that when he came to class
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I think it was his first day in class
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They made a big deal about it
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And said
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Look we have this immigrant
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From the Soviet Union
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Who's in the class
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I think Reagan was president at the time
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And the professor
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In my dad's class
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Said you're going to feel right at home here
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Because we have our own fascists in the White House
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And so my dad said that at that moment
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He just sat there and wondered
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Is this the best school in the world
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This is what people told me
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I should fight to get into
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And they don't know what fascism is
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So clearly nothing actually has changed at all
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It's just become so much more mainstream
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It's so much more visible to everybody
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Because of social media
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In Canada
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We don't have this animosity
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We don't have this like vitriol
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And hate and anger
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And it's something that I see
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It's sad
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But it's
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In my opinion
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Uniquely American
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I think that this much anger
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And this much
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Division
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I think is
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Probably fueled by social media
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By fueled by new cycles
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But it's I think it's
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Worse in the US than almost anywhere else
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In Western civilization
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And that means that we have the right to be angry
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Which is cool
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But I'm curious where all of this hate
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And anger comes from
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Because I believe
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That most people
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Are not as far left or far right
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As media makes us out to be
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I think that most people
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On average are fiscally conservative socially liberal
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I think that's the majority
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They all sort of hover around center-ish
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And if they're not, they still don't mind
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Someone disagreeing with them
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Usually that's the case
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So where does all this anger and animosity come from
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I mean now you've like lived in
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Probably
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You said that
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People calling
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Presidents fascists
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Is not new
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But I think that the amount of anger towards one man
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One man
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Yeah
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I don't think that's ever been seen before
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No, this is new
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And that's what I was going to say
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You said it's uniquely American
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I think it's just uniquely Donald Trump
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I think if you ask people about Donald Trump
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In Canada and France
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And I mean anywhere really
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You're going to get that same vitriol
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That we do here
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I think it's him alone
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Partially because of himself
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And how big of a personality he is
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And more
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You know, majority because of the media
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And the circus they created around him
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And how angry they were when he won despite that
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And how much harder they doubled down after that
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And decided that they were not going to stop
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Until everyone hated each other
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Because that's what gets them views
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And that's what works
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And that's the only way they could prove
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That they were right about Donald Trump all along
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Which is all that people really cared about
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Is not looking like idiots
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Which is what they all looked like
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When they thought the man was going to
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Disappear as a joke
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And he ended up being president
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I don't think it's uniquely American
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I think it's uniquely Donald Trump
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When he ran in 2015
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The world changed
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And I don't know what's going to happen when he's done
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That's what I was curious about
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Like you sort of have like an inside view
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Is to
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What this campaign was like
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I know that it was not easy
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I don't think anyone would think that it's easy
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But
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He did change
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He did change what
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It means to be a president
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And what it means to be involved in politics
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And I'm curious
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Do you think that
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Because I think there has to be some sort of healing process
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And I don't think it's even started yet
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I think that there's so much
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I mean, we can talk about what's happening with
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Like even Elon being associated with the
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And now people are
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Burning Tesla's which is ironic
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Because I'm sure a whole bunch of people
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The bot them were like
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Very liberal
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Yeah, they were
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Environmental
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And now we're burning the same electric cars
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We were trying to mandate
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So people are angry or
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Than ever
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Yeah
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I mean, it's obviously an over simplistic question
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But where do we go from here
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And how does the US start to heal
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I mean, it's tough for someone like me
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Because I never bought into it
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Like I lost friends
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People didn't like me
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But I never became the person
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That was like
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I am staunch Republican
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And unless you agree with me
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You're not my friend
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I never cared
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My parents then raised me that way
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They never cared
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They voted Democrat
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And Republican
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My entire, you know, childhood
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I just never understood it
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And in fact, I get bored
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Being around people who agree with me
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Like I don't watch Republican media
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Because there's no point
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Because I know what they're saying
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I watch the view every single day
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I never miss an episode of the view
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And people laugh at me
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And it's like
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Because that's interesting
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I want to hear what they have to say
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And I want to know where they're coming from
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Like I would hope they would want to know
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Where I'm coming from
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I think that's what's missing
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Awesome
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But I mean, you are
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I think that that's
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Like a very mature way to approach politics
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I don't
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It's funny
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When I'm on Twitter
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I don't feel like anybody feels that way
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When I'm in the same room as somebody
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I do feel like most people feel that way
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Most people are decent people
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Like I'm never
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Let me tell you, I've met some really bad people
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And I've gotten some really nasty messages
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And I've seen some really ugly stuff
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But I've traveled this country quite a bit
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And met a lot of people
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You know, Trump supporters mostly
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Because of my work, but otherwise too
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People are really wonderful
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Especially in America
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People are truly wonderful
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And I think it's sad that we forgot that
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Instead of celebrating that
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Like I have
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Loved everyone that I've met
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I love meeting new people
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I love discovering
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You know, what goes on in this country
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I got my masters in
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Social policy and nonprofit work
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And I remember my first day of class
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Part of what we have to do for the program
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Was interning at a nonprofit of our choice
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And I sat there
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Being interviewed and interviewing
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A bunch of, you know, leaders of different nonprofits
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And I just thought to myself
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Look how amazing America is
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How new people are doing this
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That are not making a dime
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And doing this out of the goodness of their heart
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And it doesn't matter how they vote
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I'm sure most of them voted differently than I did
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Because they're in the nonprofit space
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I went to an Ivy League school
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I know how it works
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But America is wonderful
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And people are wonderful
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And politics is such a tiny part of my personality
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And I was the spokesperson for the Republican Party
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So it must be a teeny tiny part of most people's personalities
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And it doesn't have to be more than that
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I just move from Canada to Miami
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As little taxes as possible
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Okay, I love the weather
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I'm like, I don't mind social programs
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That help people that aren't doing well in life
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Of course, you want everybody to live a good life
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But I don't feel the need to be like
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You know, overly, you know, controlled by the government
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If I don't, if I'm not, you know
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I respect taxes for like roads
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And army and all that stuff
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But that's sort of where I stop
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And I think a lot of people feel that way
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And I don't understand somebody
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Who wants to tie their identity into a political party
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I don't know who it serves
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Because I don't really believe
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This is what I, this is sad
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But I think it's very true
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The people that
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Are hurt the most
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Are not the people that are successful
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Depending on who wins an election
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If you have a good job
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Your life
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If you actually think about the day in the life
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The majority 90% of it does not change
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Depending on
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No, people wouldn't know that it's up to the White House
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It is the people who are below the poverty line
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Is the people who have no money
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Whose lives are actually impacted
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But those are not the people who are yelling the loudest
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It's people that are multi, multi, multi-millionaires
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It's people that have had exits
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It's people that are, you know
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Earning two, three, four, five hundred thousand dollars plus
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In coastal cities that are the loudest
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And that's what I don't understand
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Why those people are so angry
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And so polarizing
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And tying their identity into politics
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When there's so many better ways for them to spend their time
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Are they angry or are they bored
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That's what I don't know
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I don't know how many of them actually care
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Because I can tell you I'm not trying to name names
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But there's a lot of people
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That you will hear on TV
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That I heard the last year screaming that Donald Trump
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Was literally Hitler
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Want to take America back
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And then they were calling him the same day
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And kissing butt
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Like I can tell you they were in the same room as him
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Telling him how great he is
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And that he, they hope that he's
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You know, keeps in touch with them if he wins
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And then they're going on TV saying horrible things
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They're rattling up the people that are actually affected by the election
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Making them angry
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It gets views
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And it gets attention
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And it gets people now only care about being relevant
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And it's so unfortunate
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And it's so sick
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And that's why I hate social media
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People A, only care about being relevant
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And B, they know they can't be embarrassed anymore
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Because the news cycle changes every two seconds
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And whatever happens
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Whatever you say that will get attention
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Even negative
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People will forget in an hour
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And you're no longer in a bad spot
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You can keep going
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But you've gained 10,000 followers
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That's all people care
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It's all self-serving
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Yeah every
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There's no, there's no advocating for a party
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Because of the American ideal
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The American dream
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It's all self-serving
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Yeah and I think people that want to tie themselves to a party
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Also
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Believe that it will get them attention
18:38
And it's like the almost a cool niche thing to do
18:40
Because in reality the average person doesn't know
18:42
Who they're going to vote for in four years
18:44
Or in eight years or in 12 years
18:45
I was the spokesman for the Republican Party
18:48
I am not going to tell you right now that in 20 years
18:50
I'm voting Republican
18:51
Because that's not who I am
18:51
I don't know where the party will be
18:53
I don't know who the candidate will be
18:54
If you agree to tie yourself to a party
18:56
You're doing it to make some kind of a statement
18:59
No rational human being says
19:00
I'm going to vote with this party
19:01
For the next 40 years
19:02
Hell or high
19:03
No you sound insane for saying
19:05
Exactly
19:05
And you sound insane for tying yourself to a party
19:07
That is, I mean look at both parties
19:08
They've changed immensely
19:10
Look at the Democrats that are now in Donald Trump's cabinet
19:13
Things change and they can change again
19:14
And the pendulum swings
19:16
I think it's very strange
19:18
How much people think that this should be a part
19:20
Of your identity and your life
19:21
When it really doesn't matter
19:22
And the people that are heavily involved
19:24
They know it doesn't matter
19:25
But the everyday Americans don't
19:27
When you leaned into politics
19:29
What was the most sort of shocking personal cost?
19:32
Friends, family
19:35
Peace of mind
19:36
I was mostly peace of mind
19:39
Like it's just a gross place to be
19:41
Why did you become the spokesperson then?
19:44
I still don't understand that
19:45
And you've told me this
19:46
Like this is the podcast question
19:48
But also like that
19:49
No, I mean I don't know if I ever answered this
19:51
Donald Trump was running for office
19:53
Obviously right, it's the third campaign
19:54
I've been in Trump world since 2016
19:56
I met my husband to Donald Trump
19:58
My brother and I have the life that we have
20:00
Because of that first campaign
20:01
I have spent a lot of time with Donald Trump and his family
20:04
When I debate and I talk to people about Donald Trump
20:07
It's not political, I will never have
20:08
A political debate unless I'm being paid to do it
20:10
I don't care, I don't want to debate you
20:12
I believe everyone should have their own ideas
20:13
But I'm defending Donald Trump or his family
20:15
It's because I know them personally
20:16
And they've been good to me
20:18
So I'm at the point
20:19
This is early 2024
20:20
Donald Trump is in
20:22
You know, full swing
20:23
The last year of the campaign
20:25
Donald Trump is fighting against
20:26
I mean, indictments and attacks
20:29
And everything under the sun
20:30
I'm thinking to myself this isn't fair
20:32
Like I know this guy did not do what they're saying
20:34
He did, I know they're throwing everything at him
20:36
This is the least American thing I've ever seen
20:38
If I have a chance to get involved
20:39
Maybe I should
20:41
At that point
20:42
The chair of the Republican Party
20:46
Is voted out
20:48
They vote in new leadership
20:49
Michael Watley comes in
20:51
As the chairman, Laura Trump comes in as a co-chair
20:54
The family of Donald Trump, the president
20:56
Former president
20:57
At that point, I'm thinking maybe future president
20:59
Asked if I'd like to be the spokesperson
21:01
Of the Republican Party
21:03
And I'm thinking to myself
21:04
A, I have a responsibility here
21:06
I'm the daughter of two immigrants
21:08
Who came to the country with no money at all
21:10
And I could be, you know, the face of one of two major political parties in this country
21:13
That is a huge deal
21:14
Or
21:15
And be, I know what's going on isn't right
21:17
I love this country more than anything in the world
21:19
I have no loyalty to the Republican Party Democrat
21:21
Nothing
21:22
But I love this country
21:23
I believe he's the best person for this country
21:25
If I have a chance to do something good
21:27
Like why would I not
21:28
You know, do it
21:29
I had a lot of, you know, fear
21:31
A lot of people went after me
21:32
And my family the last, you know, 10 years
21:35
But it's just such an honor
21:36
To be a part of it at that level
21:38
And to know that this is the craziest election at least in my lifetime
21:42
But probably in the life
21:43
People's lifetimes
21:44
It's craziest of the lifetimes
21:45
And yeah, and I get the closest, you know, the real front seat to all of it
21:50
It was a privilege and an honor and it was really hard at times
21:53
But obviously zero regrets
21:55
But yeah, it's a lot
21:57
But hey, it worked
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Obviously again, very crazy election
23:59
What do you think happens in four years
24:02
I have no idea
24:03
I'm so scared actually of what happens
24:05
Because I want like you said
24:06
I want things to calm down
24:07
Yeah
24:08
And I don't know if they'll calm down
24:09
Because Donald Trump's name isn't on the ballot
24:12
Or if we have just set ourselves up
24:14
For the next 30 years of anger
24:15
No matter who's on the ballot
24:16
Because we're supposed to hate each other
24:18
I really don't know
24:19
Well part of it
24:20
Part of the anger comes from his personality
24:22
So somebody with less of a personality
24:26
May not incite as much anger
24:27
But they also probably
24:29
You know
24:30
Again, this is me defending him
24:32
And his personality
24:33
I spent a lot of time with him
24:35
A lot of things that he says
24:36
The people think he said
24:37
It's actually not at all what he said
24:39
Oh no, I know
24:40
I can't report it really
24:40
On text all
24:41
I think actually
24:42
He has a great personality
24:44
And there's more good
24:46
I'm sure I mean he's very tough
24:47
And he says a lot of things and I get it
24:48
There's a lot of things he says
24:49
That if reported correctly
24:50
People would actually like him more
24:52
Because he's so down to earth
24:53
And he's so funny
24:53
And he's actually surprisingly normal
24:55
So I don't know if it's the personality
24:57
That's the problem
24:58
Or if it's just the way that we report nowadays
25:00
Where we don't report it
25:01
Finally anymore, we report
25:02
Based on the message we want to put out there
25:04
And so no matter who the next candidate is
25:06
If we don't like them
25:06
We will twist their words
25:08
And make you hate them
25:08
No matter who they are
25:09
And what they actually say
25:11
Well, yeah
25:11
So obviously that happens on both sides
25:14
But I think that I see
25:15
More
25:17
Twisting of facts with liberal media
25:19
Yeah
25:20
I see it like all the time
25:21
And it's actually
25:22
It is very concerning
25:23
How do people
25:25
Listen, people are busy
25:26
And people don't have time
25:28
Of course
25:28
To spend the energy
25:30
To research every single bit of it
25:32
I always say
25:32
If I was not as close as I was
25:34
Maybe I would hate Donald Trump
25:35
If I was just reading headlines
25:37
I don't blame anyone
25:38
Who are feeling the way that they feel
25:39
Because they all have
25:40
Children and jobs
25:41
And you know
25:42
A mortgage and things to care about
25:43
They only get to read the headlines
25:45
Sometimes
25:45
You don't get to research every speech
25:46
He's ever made
25:47
And see what he actually said or didn't say
25:49
What responsibility do you think
25:52
Falls on political leaders
25:53
To heal the country
25:54
And to sort of bridge
25:56
This huge gap
25:59
You know, I don't have a lot of faith
26:00
In any political leaders
26:02
I think it falls on us
26:03
They're going to come and go
26:06
A lot of them are going to be in there
26:08
For a really, really, really long time
26:09
I mean, if you look at some of these politicians
26:12
I advocate really hard for term limits
26:13
And there's a reason
26:14
I mean, they've been in there for 10, 20, 30, 40 years
26:18
I don't think it falls on them
26:19
Because they genuinely don't care
26:21
Like I would love to say
26:22
Politicians should bring us together
26:23
And I'm angry at so many politicians
26:24
Who decided in 2016
26:27
Participate in tearing us apart
26:28
But they don't care
26:29
Like the fact is it doesn't affect their lives
26:31
If anything, it helps them to fundraise
26:33
If we're angry
26:34
So I don't think the responsibility falls on them
26:36
I think it falls on all of us
26:37
Who love this country
26:38
And want the best for future children
26:40
And grandchildren to be able to play
26:41
With those whose parents might disagree
26:43
With how you voted
26:43
Because it doesn't matter
26:45
What in your mind
26:46
Does it mean to be American
26:49
Outside of like legal definition
26:52
It's weird because again
26:53
I have this mentality
26:55
Because my parents are immigrants
26:56
So I always say I have the privilege
26:58
Of being the daughter of two immigrants
26:59
I think about things very differently
27:02
But
27:04
Knowing how my parents were raised
27:05
Knowing that my mom was beaten
27:06
In school for being a Jew
27:08
My dad said goodbye to his father
27:10
Never seeing him again
27:11
Finding out later on after his father died
27:13
And the Soviet Union collapsed
27:14
But there was a KGB file on his family
27:16
And that the KGB was tracking his father
27:18
And that's why he never got to see him
27:20
To me that's what it means to be American
27:22
Is that my parents had to live a very different life
27:24
That I had to live
27:25
But being American
27:26
I mean we say freedom
27:27
Right like what is freedom
27:29
I mean that's really what it means to be an American
27:32
A lot of people
27:33
Everywhere around the world
27:34
Have to live their life a certain way
27:36
And no they don't have to legally
27:37
Live a certain way even
27:38
But they all live a certain way
27:39
Because it's not a part of their blood
27:41
And their culture
27:41
And their personalities
27:43
To try to be different
27:45
It's kind of a part of ours
27:47
You know
27:47
That you can do whatever you want
27:48
And you can fail at everything in the world
27:50
But we encourage you to try
27:52
That's American
27:53
Which I love
27:54
And I guess then the follow up question is
27:56
We give so much leeway
27:59
To try new things to think differently
28:01
Like that is freedom
28:03
Right
28:04
How with that much leeway
28:07
And freedom
28:09
Do you see younger generations
28:11
Having this rise of like anti-American sentiment
28:14
Like I don't understand how
28:17
Just the ability to be anti-American
28:22
Like do you understand how privileged you are
28:25
To be able to go through life
28:26
And to even think those thoughts
28:28
And vocalize those thoughts
28:30
Because if you go to any other country
28:32
And
28:32
Anywhere
28:33
Anywhere
28:34
Almost anywhere
28:34
Almost anywhere
28:36
You would not be alive for long or ever heard of again
28:40
So I'm so curious how freedom
28:42
Leads to anti-American sentiment
28:44
Which you see in colleges
28:45
And
28:46
I mean
28:47
A
28:47
It's almost a beautiful thing
28:49
As much as I hate to see it
28:50
How incredible that we live in a country
28:52
Where you can burn that American flag
28:53
And I was going to do anything to you
28:55
Like how amazing that these kids can
28:57
Spout whatever nonsense they want
28:59
And say how horrible this country is
29:00
And they actually get applauded
29:01
Because we support speech even if we hate it
29:03
Even if it makes us physically sick
29:05
We will defend your right to say whatever you want
29:07
So a part of me even when I see it
29:09
I'm actually happy
29:09
Because my parents weren't allowed to criticize anyone
29:12
I'm packing her up
29:12
Definitely not
29:13
No
29:13
So as much as I disagree
29:14
A
29:15
Still not
29:15
People fought and died
29:16
So that you can say whatever you want
29:18
And it's beautiful that we let
29:19
In 2025
29:20
We continued the American way
29:21
And you can still do that
29:22
Because that's what I fight for every day
29:24
It's very easy to fight for people to speak
29:26
Who you agree with
29:27
So
29:27
Hey I think it's great
29:29
At the same time
29:31
It's concerning
29:32
Very concerning
29:32
If you look at the numbers
29:33
People get less patriotic
29:35
With every generation
29:36
And
29:36
Young people don't know what they have
29:38
And I think if people put their phones down
29:40
And professors started
29:41
Teaching a little more
29:42
And maybe
29:43
Stopped being activists
29:44
And started being professors again
29:47
People opened a history book
29:48
Maybe
29:49
Maybe even
29:50
Look around
29:50
What's going on in the world right now
29:52
And it feels a lot better
29:53
But
29:54
You know it's a combination of being super grateful
29:56
That I live in the country
29:57
Where you can criticize it as much as you want
29:59
And be being concerned
30:00
That every generation
30:01
Loves America a little bit less
30:02
And
30:03
People are to this day
30:04
Fighting and dying
30:05
So that we can appreciate what we have
30:07
And many people don't understand that
30:08
I mean what does that
30:09
What does that lead to in
30:11
10-15 years from now
30:13
I did knock her out with like
30:14
Again like even if
30:16
Just to give context
30:17
Even if colleges or universities
30:19
How we call them in Canada
30:21
Were a little bit more
30:23
Liberal
30:23
Which they were
30:24
I think
30:24
I think college universities
30:26
Are always
30:26
Sque a little bit more liberal
30:29
It was liberal in terms of like
30:31
Criminal justice reform
30:33
Or maybe
30:34
Immigration is a little bit easier
30:37
But it was all under the context of
30:38
This country is great
30:40
And we're going to try and improve
30:42
The
30:43
We're going to try and improve the country
30:45
And we're going to try and make it easier
30:46
People to win in this country
30:48
Not
30:49
This country's shitty
30:50
It was never replacing the country
30:52
It was like how do we
30:53
Under the
30:53
Under the frameworks that exist
30:55
Make it
30:55
Make life better
30:57
This new
30:59
Anti-American
31:00
Whatever anti-country
31:02
Really
31:04
Idealism is
31:05
Very scary
31:06
And I've never seen a generation
31:08
Grow up
31:09
Hating the country
31:10
That they're born into
31:12
It's also like
31:14
I'm watching the definition of liberalism change
31:16
Because liberalism at one point
31:18
Was a celebration of diversity of thought
31:21
And most liberals would defend
31:22
People that disagreed with them
31:23
Because they wanted them to have
31:25
That polar opposite opinion
31:26
They wanted the diversity
31:28
Liberal nowadays
31:29
Doesn't mean that anymore
31:30
That's not what we see
31:31
So I think
31:32
The problem is not that the college is lean left
31:34
The problem is that they've changed the definition
31:35
Of what liberalism actually represents
31:37
They've made themselves into activists
31:40
Believing that liberalism
31:41
Is what they think is
31:43
Being a supporter of something on the left
31:44
And they should fight to the death for that
31:46
The reality is that's not liberalism
31:48
It's embracing the fact that people around you
31:50
Disagree with you
31:51
And being in a college or university
31:53
Is the time when you're supposed to have those debates
31:55
And those conversations
31:56
And those different thoughts
31:57
And I think we should just go back
31:58
To that and that might end up
32:00
With people disagreeing with America
32:02
That's okay
32:02
But that's not what they're doing right now
32:04
They're not thinking it through
32:05
And having those debates
32:06
They're just teaching people that America is bad
32:08
And that's the problem
32:09
If you let people think
32:10
And you let people debate
32:12
They're going to end up with a very different conclusion
32:14
You obviously have been an advocate for Israel
32:16
Far before October 7th
32:18
So what happened
32:20
What happened to the world in October 7th
32:23
When we stopped seeing
32:25
This is going to be a leading question
32:26
And obviously you know my opinion
32:28
And feelings on this
32:29
But when we stopped seeing terrorists
32:30
As terrorists
32:31
Like this again
32:33
I feel like the way that I
32:35
Question what's happening in the world right now
32:38
It's as if
32:42
I don't know
32:42
It's as if like the reality that I lived in
32:45
No longer exists
32:46
It's like if you take me out
32:48
And drop me in some alternate reality
32:50
Where terrorists are no longer terrorists
32:52
No, they're celebrated
32:53
And they're celebrated
32:54
And they're not only celebrated
32:56
Their flags are celebrated in the US
32:58
And the US flags are burnt
33:00
And Israeli flags are burnt
33:02
And a terrorist flags are
33:05
Like you know
33:06
Paraded down streets
33:08
And nobody
33:08
Right by like the twin towers
33:10
Right, that's the crazy
33:11
When you see the flags
33:13
Of terrorist groups
33:14
Like marching down
33:15
Where the twin towers were
33:16
And I don't understand what you said
33:18
I guess I guess I was just surprised
33:21
That there was such a dramatic shift
33:22
That happened in sentiment
33:24
That I was not aware of
33:26
Because even when so
33:28
My dad worked for
33:29
For ceases
33:30
Which is Canadian security
33:31
Intelligence services
33:32
And for heavily with like shin bat
33:34
And also
33:35
Intelligence organizations in the US
33:37
And Canada
33:39
It was always like
33:40
Israel is the bastion of democracy
33:42
And intelligence as well
33:44
In the Middle East
33:45
And it was always like
33:46
They're the ones that have sort of
33:48
They are the
33:49
What's the phrase
33:50
It's like you're the first
33:52
I guess first line of defense against
33:53
They're fighting our enemies
33:54
Anything
33:56
And for some reason
33:57
All of that changed
33:59
And I don't know when it happened
34:00
But I realized it happened on October 7
34:03
When people were like
34:04
Oh you know
34:05
I don't know if it really happened
34:08
Well I think they had it calming
34:10
You know excuse me
34:11
Yeah
34:12
What
34:12
People asked me like
34:13
How did October 7 hit you
34:15
And it's as awful as that day was
34:17
And I remember sitting on the floor
34:18
For like 10 hours straight
34:19
Watching the footage and sobbing
34:21
What happened after
34:22
Actually hurt more
34:23
Because I thought I'd wake up
34:24
To the entire world
34:25
Defending
34:26
Israel
34:26
Kind of like post 9-11
34:28
Right I thought the world was going to say
34:30
Released
34:30
I mean I think at the point
34:32
October 7 and October 8
34:33
We didn't actually know
34:34
How many people were murdered
34:35
Yet we didn't know how many people were taken
34:37
Hostage that it was very confusing
34:38
But I thought I'd wake up that day
34:40
And have the entire world screaming
34:41
For these people to
34:42
You know come home
34:43
I know we knew some people were taken
34:44
Hostage
34:44
I thought we would
34:45
You know be screaming about
34:46
What just happened
34:48
In the middle east
34:48
I didn't think I'd live through that
34:50
In my lifetime
34:50
You know I've run a
34:52
Holocaust museum
34:53
A digital Holocaust museum
34:54
And I'm sorting through
34:55
Materials and images
34:56
From the Holocaust
34:57
The weekly
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I never thought I'd live through a time
35:00
When the imagery
35:00
I was seeing actually reminded me
35:02
So much of what I
35:03
Unfortunately have to
35:04
Sort through from
35:05
You know 80 years ago
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But that's what it was
35:07
And then I woke up to a bunch of people
35:09
Celebrating
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What happened
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Saying Israel deserved it
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And ripping down
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You know
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posters of
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Nine-month-old babies
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Being held hostage
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As if it was propaganda
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Or they deserved it
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Or whatever else
35:19
God forbid people were sent
35:20
But have you thought
35:21
About what shifted in the world
35:23
The lead to the change of sentiment
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I mean I think it was
35:27
The last few years or a blur
35:28
Maybe it was after October 7
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But remember a year or two ago
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Maybe a year
35:32
When Al-Sama bin Laden's letter
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Went viral on TikTok
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And all the you know
35:36
15 to 19-year-olds were saying
35:38
Al-Sama bin Laden had a point
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Yeah
35:40
I mean clearly the shift is greater than
35:42
Just to do with Israel
35:43
You know like it's nothing to do
35:45
With Israel
35:45
Anti-Semitism is easy
35:46
So we all
35:47
Bounce on attacking Israel
35:48
Because why not scapegoat the Jews
35:50
Were used to it
35:51
But it's a lot deeper than Israel
35:52
I mean we're celebrating terrorists
35:54
And they will celebrate the terrorists
35:55
If they did it here too
35:56
Like how do we fall so far
35:58
Where a night
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Whatever at 18-19-year-old on TikTok
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Things that Osama bin Laden
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Point
36:03
How to point
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Actually
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Like what the fuck
36:07
Is wrong with people
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Yeah you can totally curse
36:11
This is fucking insane
36:12
And I just don't understand how
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Like
36:15
Because
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Who were the parents
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Who were the influences on those 19-year-olds
36:20
That part I think has been good
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Because a lot of parents
36:24
Talking to
36:24
I mean I've talked to so many students
36:26
And parents as October 7
36:27
So many parents had no idea
36:29
What was going on on these campuses
36:30
And they were you know paying hundreds of thousands of dollars
36:33
For this education
36:34
And then seeing their kid
36:35
Camped out in a tent with the flag
36:37
You know
36:37
Camped out in a tent
36:39
Outside the campus with the Hamas flag
36:41
You know displayed on their face
36:42
And they're wondering what the hell happened to my kid
36:44
My Jewish kid very often too
36:45
So I think that's the good thing
36:46
Is people are like wait
36:48
We can't put all this faith in our institutions
36:50
Maybe the Department of Education
36:52
Should not be educating my kid
36:53
And be I should be educating my kid
36:54
And I think a lot of people thank God woke up
36:56
Because of that
36:57
They had no idea that their kids were being sent away to these schools
37:00
Coming back four years later
37:01
And thinking of some of them a lot and had a point
37:03
So that's been good
37:04
People have actually woke up
37:05
When did the when did the curriculum shift
37:08
Is it's a while ago
37:10
It's it's it's been a I mean
37:11
I don't even feel like I'm 34
37:13
Yeah
37:14
I don't like I was in university
37:15
Okay what like
37:17
14 13
37:18
Whatever 12 years ago
37:20
I don't remember like this was not something
37:22
So
37:23
That was relieved by my generation
37:25
This is more to do with Israel
37:26
But I went to get my masters
37:28
20 22
37:30
Yeah so I graduated in May a few months before October 7
37:34
Before I went and I went to UPEN
37:36
Again great school large Jewish community
37:38
That's why I wanted to go to Penn
37:40
When I got into Penn
37:42
They had an orientation for students before they you know accepted their
37:46
Like accepted the I guess they said acceptance letter
37:50
You have to you know accept the offer or not
37:52
Before you accept the author the offer they had this orientation
37:54
There's a Jewish girl there who was completing her masters in the same program
37:58
And I asked her what is it like to be a Jew on campus
38:02
Because I was curious I had heard stories I hadn't been in school in a while
38:04
She said to me I'll never forget
38:06
The kids in this class
38:08
Would rather find out that you were at the January 6th Capitol right
38:10
And that you're a Zionist
38:12
And I was like okay
38:14
So this is things are things are different
38:16
And again Zionist just means you think Israel has a right to exist
38:18
That's all that means
38:20
So that's been used for many others
38:22
Of course so that's when I realized things had shifted
38:24
But I nothing could have prepared me for October 8th
38:26
And for waking up and being told the Jews deserved it
38:28
These kids deserved it
38:30
It's propaganda knowing that you know
38:32
The footage was blasted across every social media network
38:34
And people still say it's fake
38:36
Nothing could have prepared me for October 8th
38:38
Or the 17 months since
38:40
You know
38:42
I've had a couple conversations with friends about this
38:48
And
38:50
They've kind of like oversimplified why there's so much anti-Semitism
38:56
And I'm going to say this but I don't agree with anti-Zionism
39:00
Which is I think synonymous
39:02
But people will say that it's not
39:04
I think they're just trying to
39:06
Yeah it's a fun easy out to say I hate the Jews
39:08
But a lot of the thought was
39:12
For some reason
39:14
Like Hamas and pro-Palestine groups
39:18
Were really good at social media
39:20
Post-October 7th
39:22
And pro-Israel groups were not
39:26
To the same degree
39:28
And that was something that they leaned into
39:30
And exploited so much that you saw
39:32
Propaganda
39:34
Everywhere
39:36
And I'm just curious
39:38
Because obviously you are in social media
39:40
And I'm wondering how big of an impact
39:42
You think that actually made on the world
39:44
I hate being this person
39:46
Because it becomes a very different conversation
39:48
And we can talk about this for hours
39:50
But the fact is social media has allowed our enemies
39:52
To infiltrate this country
39:54
In the easiest way possible
39:56
By hitting the next generation
39:58
Right? No one knows what's going on
40:00
No one knows what 14-year-olds are doing on their phones
40:02
No one can stop them from being on their phones
40:04
Or being on these apps
40:06
And anyone in the world can feed them whatever material that they want
40:08
That has been the largest problem
40:10
That has taken over
40:12
I have a problem with politicians
40:14
I have a problem with professors
40:16
I have a lot of problems with a lot of people
40:18
But the fact is when anyone in Russia
40:20
And anyone in China
40:22
And anyone in the Middle East
40:24
Can access your 13-year-old
40:26
And tell them how to feel and how to think
40:28
About things like terrorism
40:30
And change their mind
40:32
And educate them in a way
40:34
You don't know what's happening
40:36
Because you're tuned out
40:38
I do want to understand
40:40
What your career looks like going forward
40:42
But also I'm going to ask you like personal questions about how you manage stress
40:46
Because I don't think
40:48
You said this interview
40:50
You said this is a dark interview
40:52
Yeah because I have conversations with like entrepreneurs
40:54
And they manage stress in a very different arena
40:56
Right? They manage stress in business build
40:58
The real world
41:00
But it's not the real world
41:02
I don't know
41:04
But
41:06
I don't think that many people
41:08
Understand the level of stress
41:10
That you deal with only because of the position
41:12
That you chose to put yourself in
41:14
Which is a massacre
41:16
Oh, slightly
41:18
So where do you go from here?
41:20
Because you've, you know, you stepped out
41:22
Of the spokesperson position
41:24
Do you want to stay in politics?
41:26
I'm assuming no
41:28
I don't want to stay in politics
41:30
No
41:32
It's weird because I don't see it as politics
41:34
Like I never saw myself even as Republican
41:36
I was just a spokesperson for this movement
41:38
And this candidate who I thought in this election
41:40
Was the best most obvious choice for this country
41:42
So I don't see it as political
41:44
Would I work for a different candidate?
41:46
Absolutely not
41:48
A, I'm done, I can't take anymore and B
41:50
I've grown very close to him and to his family
41:52
And it's personal for me now
41:54
And there's a reason that I fought so hard for them
41:56
And believe this hard as I did
41:58
That he was the best choice
42:00
At the same time he's in for four years
42:02
I'm to consider a job in the administration
42:04
So you never know
42:06
Pretty likely I'd put up for there
42:10
I mean you've put on like you've put your own ambitions
42:12
Side to a degree
42:14
Yeah, I mean I've put my sanity aside
42:16
It's not fair to say that what I've done
42:18
It's not fair to say that what I've done
42:20
We do this in another four years
42:22
We should make the tradition like every four years
42:24
Yeah, in four years
42:26
We'll be sitting with our kids
42:28
And what we're doing
42:30
It's not fair for me to say I've put ambition aside
42:34
Because a lot of people go into politics solely because they're ambitious
42:36
And I'm not going to pretend that I don't have an amazing platform and following
42:40
And career opportunities now
42:42
Because I, you know, I did it
42:44
That's kind of part of what I did it
42:46
I believed in what I believed in
42:48
But I'm not going to lie and say I didn't also bring me immense success
42:50
It wouldn't have had me lost
42:52
But it did bring me immense success
42:54
So I don't want to pretend that that wasn't
42:56
A part of it
42:58
In my life, like a lot of people do
43:00
I will advocate, you know, in media
43:02
Like I do probably forever
43:04
And one way or another because it's an amazing platform
43:06
And I'm so lucky to get to do it
43:08
And I remember
43:10
But what do you, like what do you want to speak on?
43:12
I get it, like I see you on radio
43:14
This won't it?
43:16
You see me on radio?
43:18
You know what I mean
43:20
I see you every time you go on like KGXM, 100 FM, whatever in New York
43:22
Or whatever the, the channel
43:24
There's channels that I'd never listened to
43:26
And I trust real radio AM stations
43:28
That I don't think anybody under 40 listens to anymore
43:30
Or whatever you're on these stations
43:32
So I'm on all the stations
43:34
You're on all that you do a lot of media
43:36
But what are you trying to advocate for going forward?
43:38
I mean your guy is in office for four years
43:42
Obviously you will always advocate for Israel
43:46
But what is your passion now
43:48
Outside of politics and Israel
43:50
I don't know
43:52
I feel like when I'm advocating
43:54
And if I'm on television and I'm talking about something very often
43:56
It's, you know, policy related
43:58
And more likely than not
44:00
It's pro-America, pro-Israel
44:02
It's almost like surface-level stuff
44:04
We can debate policies all we want
44:06
And I'm happy to do it
44:08
But until we get to the point of admitting
44:10
For example, America good, terrorist bad
44:12
There's no point in debating policies
44:14
So a lot of it is actually very surface-level basic stuff
44:16
Because of the low point that we're in in society
44:18
But yeah, I mean I'm in media
44:20
I'm on radio or television every day
44:22
What frustrates you most about America right now?
44:24
I'm not frustrated
44:26
Like I'm not frustrated by America
44:28
I think America is killing it
44:30
I really do
44:32
Compared to the rest of the world especially
44:34
I'm frustrated by people
44:36
Who think that they know who somebody is because of how they voted
44:38
It's just like it's a very awkward place to be
44:40
Because
44:42
Not a lot of people know more people
44:44
In this administration or in like Donald Trump circle
44:46
And Republican politics than I do for example
44:48
And I know all of them
44:50
I like some, I don't like others
44:52
But I don't have these feelings about any of them
44:54
Because of their politics
44:56
That's a who they are as people
44:58
Yeah, and so for me, I just again
45:00
It's easy for me to say that because I'm as close as I am
45:02
But no one really is their politics
45:04
Like we're all so much deeper
45:06
And I've had better friendships
45:08
And better relationships and better conversations
45:10
These last few years with people who disagree with me politically
45:12
Than I have with those who don't
45:14
There's a lot of people who people assume I should be friends with
45:16
Because we vote the same way, who I can't stand
45:18
And it's just like a very strange place to be in
45:20
Where I have so much hatred
45:22
For a lot of people who vote the same way as me
45:24
Just because I've met them over the years
45:26
And that's what my circle is and they're just assholes
45:28
It doesn't matter how they vote
45:30
And then I love a lot of people who dislike
45:32
A lot of the policies that I support or dislike Donald Trump
45:34
And they still know that I'm a good person
45:36
I still know that they're good people and they assume
45:38
Because I support him as Donald Trump must be good too
45:40
They just don't like his policies
45:42
And it's so weird to me that that is like a foreign concept
45:44
To people in America where it's so easy to understand that
45:46
Because you can turn left and talk to one neighbor who voted Trump
45:48
Turn right and talk to the other neighbor who voted for Kamala Harris
45:50
And realize at the end of the day your kids have a lot in common
45:52
You both want safety and security for your family
45:54
You want, you know, to pay off your mortgage you want
45:56
Same hobbies, yeah, you want to adopt pets
45:58
And you want to raise happy kids
46:00
And you want to celebrate your life forth together
46:02
And that's it, like nothing else really matters
46:04
Especially when you forget the core stuff
46:06
And it's just it's a really sad awkward place
46:08
To be honest, I most want to scream at people
46:10
Like this doesn't matter
46:12
And you're listening to people that are doing what they're doing
46:14
And saying what they're doing
46:16
Because it makes them money to anger you
46:18
Not because they actually believe in what they're saying
46:20
Because they can't
46:22
I don't think many people realize this
46:24
And I know that you and you know
46:26
You can discuss whatever you feel comfortable discussing
46:28
And I know that you're aware of like where money flows
46:30
Much more than I am
46:32
But I think that it's important
46:34
First of all that that whole idea
46:36
Is very important for people to understand
46:38
Like people are not their policies
46:40
Or their 2016 vote
46:42
And also the people that are the pundits
46:44
That are on Fox
46:46
You know MSNBC
46:48
YouTube
46:50
Pick a political podcast
46:52
Whatever
46:54
Think about incentives
46:56
Like they're incentivized
46:58
Of course
47:00
With massive amounts of money
47:02
And they need you to tune in that night
47:04
Like they need you to turn on your TV and watch
47:06
When we can all agree that it's a lot healthier
47:08
If you had to turn off the TV
47:10
It's your work or take out a hobby
47:12
But instead you're turning on the TV
47:14
And that's why they have to keep screaming
47:16
So you keep turning on the TV
47:18
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And if you're having a hard time
49:00
And if you're having a hard time
49:02
I don't know, but I'd say a lot of the ones
49:04
That you think are really really decent people
49:06
Even if you disagree or agree with the policy aside
49:08
The ones you think are like decent good people
49:10
Are real scumbags
49:12
And some of the ones that you cannot stand
49:14
You actually have a really good time
49:16
Getting coffee with
49:18
Like you really really wouldn't you hate yourself for it
49:20
Because America now believes you have to
49:22
But you really would have a good time with some of them
49:24
You know, you mentioned that Trump was
49:26
Sort of not politically
49:28
But just like in terms of his work ethic
49:30
Who is the person like very inspiring
49:32
Especially when you started out
49:34
What was the most important lesson that you've learned from him
49:38
Over working with him for years now
49:40
I mean everyone talks about this
49:42
And people always say that like his legacy
49:44
Will be this policy or that policy
49:46
And you know, a lot of it is great
49:48
Especially if you you know on that same side
49:50
But again, politics aside
49:52
Donald Trump
49:54
According to a lot of people
49:56
Was supposed to die in jail
49:58
Like everything was done at him this year
50:00
In 2016 he wasn't supposed to get near
50:02
You know Hillary Clinton
50:04
He was supposed to lose the primary
50:06
At 2% where he started and call it a day
50:08
Everybody laughed at him
50:10
Democrats, Republicans
50:12
Pundits on TV, fellow politicians, world leaders
50:16
Every single person laughed at that man
50:18
That was 2016
50:20
2024 he was supposed to end up in
50:22
I mean people thought he was going to die in jail
50:24
And now he's president of the United States again
50:26
Again, I get it
50:28
Politics aside if you hate him
50:30
On the policy side
50:32
Try and put it aside for 2 seconds
50:34
The man had a saying
50:36
And he said it long before he ran in 2016
50:38
But like now it rings a lot deeper
50:40
You can never ever, ever give up
50:42
And like I have seen that man go through hell and back
50:46
I've seen his family go through hell and back
50:48
I've seen my own family go through hell and back for him
50:50
And like anytime I face with any obstacle at all
50:52
I can remind myself that this guy became president
50:54
When the whole world was laughing at him
50:56
And you can do absolutely anything you want to do
50:58
If you believe in yourself
51:00
That's powerful I mean it kind of puts
51:02
Personal problems in perspective
51:04
When a day's not going right
51:06
And you realize the guy was shot at
51:08
Like the most powerful government
51:10
In the world was trying to put him in jail
51:14
And even if you believe he deserved to be in jail
51:16
Which of course I don't
51:18
But imagine going through that and waking up every day
51:20
And still fighting and trying to become president
51:22
Like I mean a fraction of what he goes through would break most people
51:26
Yeah it broke me quite a bit
51:28
And I would do nothing compared to him
51:30
You can answer this question in two ways
51:32
You can answer it through just life in general
51:36
Or through your time with Trump
51:38
What was the darkest moment that you've gone through in your life
51:40
And how did you pull yourself out of it
51:42
You mean like Trump world or just in general
51:46
It's up to you it's open-ended
51:48
I mean in general obviously in the campaign
51:50
Like there's been dark moments
51:52
January 6th was a dark moment
51:54
Losing the election was a dark moment
51:56
Your boss getting shot in the head
51:58
Not knowing if he was a Liberna
52:00
Is a dark moment
52:02
The FBI going after my family
52:04
It's a pretty dark moment
52:06
It's a pretty dark few years
52:08
A lot of people ask like why I didn't walk away
52:10
From the campaign knowing the investigations
52:12
Would have stopped against my own family
52:14
For example
52:16
Was that implied or was that explicitly said
52:18
Yeah the whole point was
52:20
To really scare people out of walking away from Donald Trump
52:22
Because if he lost his core staff
52:24
Or his staff went bankrupt for example
52:26
Because he had to pay all his legal fees
52:28
Then they'd eventually walk away from him
52:30
And he'd have nothing left
52:32
That was the goal
52:34
Again I don't want to get into it too far
52:36
Because I know people feel about it
52:38
And if they disagree they're going to stop listening right now
52:40
If they disagree with Donald Trump
52:42
And so I don't want that
52:44
I want people to understand that we're all human beings
52:46
How you get through something like that
52:48
Right so I'm going to say there were a lot of dark times on the campaign
52:52
But I would say apart from the campaign
52:54
I've had dark times as a human being
52:56
I mean when I started in politics
52:58
Was again an accident
53:00
I was thrust on the world stage
53:02
Because Donald Trump tweeted about me randomly
53:04
I didn't expect that I didn't know he was going to do it
53:06
And when one of the most powerful people in the world
53:08
No he was president
53:10
That point the most powerful person in the world
53:12
Tweets your name out
53:14
Bad anxiety problem already
53:16
And the entire world tells you you deserve to be dead
53:18
Like you know I had developed a stomach ulcer that week
53:22
Which I still have to suffer through
53:24
I couldn't get up for three weeks
53:26
Physically could not get up because I had a bleeding stomach ulcer
53:28
From the anxiety I caused myself
53:30
I was terrified to go outside
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Because you know every message you're getting
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Is telling you that you deserve this horrible thing to happen
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Or that horrible thing to happen
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And again at that point especially
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I was basically irrelevant
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The whole world knows who you are and is talking about you
53:44
Might a lot of family members turn on me
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Because they believed a lot of what they read in the media
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Which now they know isn't true
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But our relationship is fractured forever
53:52
Again I'm stuck with that stomach ulcer
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That I have to deal with now
53:56
Nearly seven years later
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That I'm still trying to deal with
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A lot of anxiety
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I grew up pretty quickly
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Unfortunately because I have no doubt
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Yeah I liked being a child
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But that went out the window
54:10
You know again it goes back to Donald Trump
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People always say you have to believe in yourself
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That's what they tell little kids
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And I always thought it was a cliche
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Like why do you believe in yourself?
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What does that mean?
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But the fact is truly no one is going to believe in you
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If you don't believe in yourself
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And it sounds like such a cliche and everyone says it
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But if you don't like who you are
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It doesn't matter if anyone likes you ever
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Because you won't be able to rest your head at night
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No one's ever going to believe in you
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And any success that you get
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So learning in the hardest moment
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Where everyone is telling me how horrible I was
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That it wasn't true
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And be that I had to convince myself
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That nothing mattered that people said about me
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What matters what I thought about myself
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That was really really really hard
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But really really important
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And I don't think it's clicked yet
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To this day if someone says something
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I almost want to message them
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And prove them wrong
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Because their opinion you know
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If it's the right topic will hit me
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Talk me what it means and how powerful it is
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To believe in yourself
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And apart from the policy or anything else
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That is the greatest gift you can give anyone
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Is encouraging them to like who they are
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And to believe that they can do whatever
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Their heart desires
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Even if everyone around them is trying to stop them
55:22
I would say that you again operated one of the most
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Like a high stress environment
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That most people could ever find themselves in
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So what part of yourself
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And this can be a lesson for somebody that
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Is even going to experience like a fraction of the stress that you've experienced
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What part of yourself did you have to give up?
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Like what did you have to give up that wasn't serving you
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When you put yourself into a job, a career, a business
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That would stress you out as much as this day
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I mean, A, I'm going to be curious what I say to you in four years
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Because I think I'm still growing and learning
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And trying to become a better functioning person
55:52
Like my husband will tell you
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And he bullies me all the time
55:56
So you know how he feels about me
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But he will tell you that I still let my anxiety get the best of me
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And the overthinking and everything else
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At the same time
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And I tell everyone this
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You have to be busy
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You end up having more time to grow
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And learn and think and accomplish things when you're busy
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When you're free, you have free time
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It's not the same
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But when you're busy, it helps you
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Because you can almost see how great you can be
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When you are forced to be under
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Like all the pressure in the world
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So I'd say I have learned to like myself more
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When I have tried to bite off as much as humanly possible
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And accomplish all of it
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Because I have realized that when I actually put the negative thoughts aside
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I am invincible
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And I think we all are
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But when you have too much time
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You can sit there and come up with all the bad things about yourself that you want
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Because that's what society encourages us to do
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That's a whole other conversation
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But the fact is if you really, really put yourself
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Out there
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And you try to accomplish everything that you can
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Even if you fail
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You will start to like yourself
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Because you see how capable you truly are
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And I think that's been the best part of all of this
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Sometimes I've actually had to shut off my brain and just keep functioning
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And just keep doing
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And then it's like oh holy crap
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Like I'm actually pretty good at this
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And I'm actually pretty cool
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And maybe my negative thoughts were what was holding me back
57:10
Did you ever have imposter syndrome when you jumped into any of these roles
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That's the one thing I don't suffer from
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Really?
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Maybe I'm like people are describing it to me wrong
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I had the opposite of imposter syndrome
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I'm more like why am I
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You were never nervous when you
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So candidly I also feel the same way
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I just feel like I jump into stuff
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And I'm not too stressed
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Because I feel like if somebody else can do what I can do it to
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I mean you told the story
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About sending that kid up to
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To his to Trump's office
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And saying hey, like hire me
57:40
It doesn't necessarily sound like somebody
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That has massive amounts of imposter syndrome
57:44
But I am trying to pull out
57:46
Like a little bit of a lesson
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For people so that they can emulate
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That amount of courage
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And that doesn't come natural
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I've always lacked confidence
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I've never lacked courage
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Explain, I've never heard that before
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So we're getting deep, even I don't know where that came from
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I very often will do my 10,000 TV interview
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And like having anxiety
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Knowing for a fact that I'm fine and can do it
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And I've never messed up in a great way on television
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And I can still do it but I still get anxiety
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Because I'm a perfectionist and I lack the confidence
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To believe that if I, you know, just keep doing this
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I'm actually, you know, very good at what I do
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Like I'm always overthinking
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My parents were very tough Russian parents
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Growing up and they always taught me someone
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Out there's working harder than you
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Keep working hard and never believe that you're good at something
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So like I always...
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That's tough advice but I like it
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Yeah, I mean someone's always better than you
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And you can always get better
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So I lack the confidence still to this day
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And everything I do, even if I've done it a million times
58:42
Even if you think I'm great at it
58:44
I am sweating and overthinking
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Because I have to keep trying to make myself better
58:48
But I've always said that you have to have the courage to keep doing it
58:50
And I always wish that I could calm that part down
58:52
And tell myself you're so good at what you're doing
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That's why you're here
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But I've never lacked the courage
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Because life is so short and I've always wanted to...
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I've always believed that if it worked out
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And I got there, I'd figure it out when I got there
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And if you don't try, no one's going to be the chance anyway
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And I know too many people
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By the way that are really, really stupidly confident
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But don't go for anything
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And that I don't understand
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I lack the confidence but I will shoot for the stars
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And everything I try to do
59:18
I feel the same way
59:20
I think that
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I've always wondered what gives somebody that ability to just take action
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I don't know, it's such a hack
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And if you don't feel like
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If you are listening to this and you don't feel like you have that ability
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I think that I've thought of this before
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Parents definitely help
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Or hurt
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But I think that also
59:42
Just keeping track of the times that you've won or succeeded
59:46
And keeping a record of that really does give you the confidence to go forward and take action against the next thing
59:52
Also, I was a competitive figure skater
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I think that's where it comes from
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That's true too, right?
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Also, I played a lot of like...
1:00:00
Yeah, sports helped a lot too
1:00:02
And that also made me hyper competitive
1:00:04
But also, doesn't have to be competitive like you and I, like young sports
1:00:06
You can do sports, you can start at 40 years old
1:00:08
And you'll still get the same, like a lot of sports
1:00:10
Figure skating, for example
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You can start right now and have the same experience I did doing a triple jump
1:00:14
You have to close your eyes, count to three and just do it
1:00:17
Knowing there's a very good chance that you fall
1:00:19
And knowing that you have zero confidence because you've never landed the jump before
1:00:22
Knowing you're probably going to fall
1:00:24
Because that's how gravity works
1:00:26
But you have to close your eyes, say one, two, three, and take off
1:00:29
And if you fall, you have to get up and just do it again
1:00:32
And that's, that's life
1:00:34
What keeps you up at, you know, three in the morning
1:00:37
What keeps you up that people wouldn't know
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I don't know, this doesn't count as imposter syndrome
1:00:42
You're probably, you can tell me what it's called
1:00:44
Just feeling like I'm not accomplished
1:00:46
And no matter what I do
1:00:48
I think that's a little bit of delusion, but that's besides the point
1:00:50
That's probably what, that's what my parents say
1:00:52
But yeah, I mean, it's wanting the world to know that I'm remotely qualified
1:00:57
And that none of this was luck
1:00:59
And again, it's also reading the negative messages that say you're here
1:01:02
Because you're pretty or you're here because you're this or here because of that
1:01:04
That's unhelpful
1:01:05
But I think everyone, whether they have those messages in any platform or not
1:01:09
Very off, I mean, I know a lot of really accomplished people that will tell me I'm nothing
1:01:13
So it's not just me
1:01:15
But yeah, it's wanting to make my parents proud and wanting to look back
1:01:19
And think that I did everything I could possibly do
1:01:21
And you say that I'm young, but in my brain, it's my modeling agents
1:01:24
Or my figure skating coach is telling me that 29 is, you know, basically 60
1:01:27
And my best days are behind me
1:01:29
And I know none of it is true
1:01:31
But I'm scared to like get complacent and get too comfortable, get too confident
1:01:36
And stop reaching for the stars
1:01:38
And ironically, that's why you'll be successful
1:01:40
Pro
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I mean, people, people go to different sort of dark places to fuel their ambition
1:01:46
I do think I go too dark
1:01:48
Like I don't encourage anyone to be as crazy as I am
1:01:51
But I do think that the people that are the craziest and that never feel comfortable
1:01:55
And that want to keep shooting for the stars are the ones that end up succeeding
1:01:58
You told me that
1:01:59
Yeah, I know I believe it
1:02:00
I think we were at dinner
1:02:01
And you're like, if you just keep going eventually, it's going to work
1:02:04
That's how that works
1:02:05
That's a percent, I believe it
1:02:06
And I think that you have to lean into different reasons as to how
1:02:09
There's different things that you have to use to be able to keep going
1:02:13
And I mean, I listened to a Mr. Beast interview on Darva CEO
1:02:18
And he said like, if I cared about my mental health, I wouldn't be successful
1:02:22
That's me
1:02:23
I don't think that's a good lesson
1:02:25
I don't think that's the lesson
1:02:27
But I think that there's a less intense version of that
1:02:31
Where you are outside your comfort zone and you're not living in this nice little bubble
1:02:35
And that's why you're successful
1:02:36
Right, I just think it's like a little bit of what you said too
1:02:38
Making a list and reminding yourself every week of what you accomplished that week
1:02:41
So that in six months when you're having one of those breakdowns about not being accomplished
1:02:45
You can look back and say, holy crap, look what I did in six months
1:02:47
You have to do that, I'm just like
1:02:49
I should probably start doing that
1:02:51
Like just fucking right out your resume
1:02:52
I'm going to start today
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Please
1:02:54
If you could go back and have a conversation with yourself
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When you first started working with Trump, what would you want to tell yourself?
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It's going to get so cool
1:03:03
Like, I thought I was going to be a volunteer
1:03:06
I thought I'd volunteer
1:03:08
And then, you know, I'd tell people about this cool experience
1:03:11
And I'd walk away
1:03:13
And I ended up hanging out with Donald Trump
1:03:15
Making a guy president multiple times to get into the White House
1:03:18
Not a bad job
1:03:19
Yeah, but again, shoot for the stars
1:03:21
Because none of that should have happened to me
1:03:22
I should not have been there that day
1:03:23
I shouldn't have sent a stupid letter
1:03:25
Shouldn't have asked the volunteer to send it up
1:03:27
You never know what God has in store
1:03:29
If you think about sort of the stress and anxiety that you deal with constantly
1:03:33
Because I know your personality too
1:03:35
So I'm curious if you've developed any useful coping mechanisms
1:03:39
If somebody else could use for their own stress or anxiety in their life
1:03:43
And I know you're laughing
1:03:44
Because you know that anything I say is a lie
1:03:46
Because I'm always stressed
1:03:47
I don't think it's a lie
1:03:48
I'm not asking you a question like telling you to go lie
1:03:51
I think that you probably don't 100% of the time deal with it well
1:03:54
Trust me, I believe that
1:03:55
You know
1:03:56
But I think that there's also some things that you've picked up that could be useful for somebody who's dealing with like high stress moments
1:04:00
It's hard because again, I'm really privileged on the personal life
1:04:03
Like I really, I know a lot of people that don't have the support system I have
1:04:06
So it's almost unfair for me to tell people to lean into that
1:04:09
If you have it, lean into it
1:04:11
Because there's gonna be days when you're like, holy crap
1:04:13
But anytime with my dad is the best thing I could possibly have done this week
1:04:16
Like that just made me feel so much better
1:04:18
And when I'm 95, of course I'll remember the times with Donald Trump
1:04:21
But more than that, I'm gonna remember the time with my dad
1:04:23
So I'd say if you have the personal life that I have
1:04:26
That I only realize as an adult how privileged I am to have
1:04:29
Lean into it hard
1:04:30
That's all that I mean at the end of the day
1:04:32
To all that matters is you know doing that
1:04:34
I'd say genuinely what has helped me
1:04:36
And it's important advice too just in general to make people better people
1:04:39
Volunteering has helped me so much
1:04:43
I started when I was 16 because I was in a dark place and so on recommended to me
1:04:46
To go to a local soup kitchen and just like do something with my time
1:04:49
Because I was really in a dark place
1:04:51
And I have not stopped since then and I mean I volunteered in how many states
1:04:55
And how many soup kitchens and shelters and you know so many organizations
1:04:58
I have my masters in nonprofit work, I have a nonprofit I just started
1:05:01
But just volunteering
1:05:03
Because it's not about knowing that people are doing you know worse than you or whatever it is
1:05:07
It's about how good it feels to help someone
1:05:09
Genuinely and that's when you realize that like maybe helping that person or helping 20
1:05:14
You know 30, 40 people that I helped serving soup or whatever it is
1:05:17
Was actually a hell of a lot more meaningful than getting that degree or getting that award
1:05:20
Or whenever it is that is stressing you out
1:05:22
It has been the best thing that has happened in my life
1:05:25
The last 10, 15 years
1:05:26
It's such a good feeling
1:05:28
I've never had somebody tell me that answer
1:05:30
And it's so easy you know just look up
1:05:32
Because you're serving someone else
1:05:34
And you realize that your problems maybe are not as big as
1:05:36
And your problems aren't as big and be like you have access to something
1:05:39
That's actually so much more meaningful than what you thought was the most meaningful thing in your life five minutes ago
1:05:43
It is a really really amazing thing
1:05:45
It is what has kept me grounded and sane for the last 15 years
1:05:50
If people want to connect with you learn more about what you're working on
1:05:54
All the websites, socials, all of that
1:05:57
It should just be my name so it's Elizabeth Pipco
1:05:59
I think Instagram, X, Facebook
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Yeah, just google my name try not to read the stories and you'll find me somewhere
1:06:07
The last question I like to ask
1:06:09
And we're going to ask this question again in four years from now
1:06:11
But out of all the different ideas or lessons that you've learned over your own life
1:06:16
What is the most important one that you'd want to pass on to your kids and why?
1:06:20
So I have it on my wall right now
1:06:23
And I didn't realize how important it was to like weigh you know into the future
1:06:26
But when I was little I love to do my school work in my dad's office
1:06:29
I just felt like you know an important person and when he wasn't home
1:06:33
I'd be in his office doing my school work
1:06:35
And he had a little card on his desk
1:06:37
It was a Ralph Waldo Emerson quote
1:06:39
Because do not go where the path may lead
1:06:41
Go instead where there's no path and leave a trail
1:06:43
And I'd like to read it to myself every day as a little kid when I was like
1:06:46
You know daydreaming and not paying attention to my school work
1:06:48
And as an adult I remember thinking about the quote and like why it meant so much to me then
1:06:52
It is so easy to do it
1:06:54
You know your friend is doing what this one tells you to do
1:06:57
What's difficult and what's special is doing something different and inspiring someone along the way
1:07:01
My entire life has been people bullying me for doing the weird thing
1:07:04
You know don't try to like leave your school and go to the Olympics
1:07:07
Don't be home school, don't volunteer for political campaign
1:07:09
Don't support Donald Trump
1:07:11
God knows what else and part of it has motivated me
1:07:13
Because when people tell me I do something I do it which is not very smart
1:07:16
But in general don't go where the path may lead
1:07:19
It is so much cooler and more special to go somewhere else
1:07:23
And hopefully make other people feel like they can do the same as well