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1981's Friday the 13th Part 2 · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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  movie talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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  shelf, presented to the other and discusses it at length.
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  This week we've got coming off of My Shelf 1980 ones, Friday
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  the 13th Part 2 directed by Steve Minor, written by Ron
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  Kurz. A cast you know too many to
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  name. Amy Steele, John Fury, Adrian
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  King, Kirsten Baker, Stu Chamo, Warrington Gillette.
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  The best a man can get. Walt Garney, Marta Cober.
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  Tom McBride, Bill Randolph. I can go on.
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  Russell Todd, Betty Palmer, Cliff Cutney.
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  Got it all right here, buddy. That's what Dave brings to the
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  table. David, how are you doing?
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  How are you feeling? You didn't ask me that last
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  week. I.
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  Didn't because I didn't care. This week, I care.
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  What's changed? You look sickly, OK.
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  Concerned. OK, I'm I'm doing OK, you know,
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  I'm sore. Did some sprints the other day
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  so all up in my calves. Pulled a hammy like I didn't.
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  I did not pull a hammy, No, no Sir.
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  I'm still going to whatever university that was.
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  Brown. Did you also ask me for my first
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  impressions? I did.
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  You did OK. Yeah.
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  All right. I'll give them to you.
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  It's probably the 10th time you've watched this movie, I'm
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  sure so. Not quite.
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  You know what? What's funny, Phillip, I was
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  thinking about this a couple days ago.
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  I was like, OK, I got to watch Friday the 13th.
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  For whatever reason, Freddie pops into my head when I think
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  about Friday the 13th. It should have gone that way.
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  No, that's my point. As soon as I realized this is
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  not Freddie, I was like, OK, I was relieved because I don't
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  want Freddie. OK.
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  Then. I was more interested if you
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  recall. Yes, yes, yes, you.
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  Definitely chose last year you gave me some options and I don't
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  think I ever thank you for that. Well, once we get through all 12
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  of them, we'll see if you still think.
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  So once I realized that, I was less not excited OK to watch the
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  second installment of the Friday series.
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  Fantastic going back all the way to 1981.
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  Yes, this is an annual. Yeah, they really just turn them
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  out. This, in particular this series
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  less than a year later. Do you know what's interesting
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  about that? Tell me.
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  Very similar to sports games on gaming systems.
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  The Maddens of the Worlds, the NHL, all that stuff.
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  Right. Sure.
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  Yeah. I compared this movie for all
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  you gamers out there, which obviously includes yourself, to
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  NHL 22 beards roster update, but instead of beards, wheelchairs,
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  that's the addition. Sure.
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  Well, I was thinking that Jason has a beard a little bit in
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  this, some scruff. So all that actively added
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  beard. That fist year, but you remember
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  that year? I don't know if it was 22, yeah,
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  but we would joke about a roster update just they added facial
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  hair. They were so big on that too, as
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  part of like the. Trailer.
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  That was it. We've got beards.
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  Folks, that was the only thing. And it's like that every year.
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  It's something, yeah. Yeah, there it is.
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  Yeah. What are your thoughts on the
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  introduction of a wheelchair? I'm like, are they going to kill
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  this guy? Like I mean edgy.
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  Yeah, yeah. I think we'll get into it a
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  little bit deeper over. Oh, absolutely.
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  There's a lot of depth to this movie that we're going to dive
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  deep into. Deep into something.
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  Phillip. Why this movie and by golly, why
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  now? Is it that time of year already?
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  It's that time. It's coming up on spooky
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  seasons, they say. God.
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  I don't like that. Oh, why?
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  Because I live in Canada, like you, It's chilly.
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  I got you. Well, I love the cold and I love
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  the horror seasons, so I'm doing just fine this time of year.
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  Great. As for the why this movie, well,
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  certainly, as we alluded to earlier, you chose it.
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  So yeah, I feel stupid asking, but I.
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  Have to, yeah, I get it. So you asked for it, you getting
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  it? And as far as why I sort of
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  presented this movie to you or the two pathways from Friday
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  13th to Nightmare on Elm Street a few months ago.
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  There is something about these movies, as you know, just give
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  me the the blood, guts and gore that gets me excited.
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  So this time of year to watch some people get bloodied up and
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  murdered just gets me going. I'm happy that that's what gets
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  you up. Whatever works for you, buddy.
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  That's right, for some, it's a whipped cream bikini.
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  At this at this point in your life, you take what you can get
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  right? That's right.
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  Like if that works for you, you got to cling on it like grim
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  death, which a lot of these meet that in this absolutely movie.
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  Of course, Phil, I will open up the forum to you for all the
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  preamble information. Sure.
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  We're talking director, writer. That's it.
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  That's it. Anybody I should know about?
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  I didn't notice any. The director is a name you
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  should recognize. Oh, minor.
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  Steve Minor. Steve Minor.
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  It would have to have been a Halloween.
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  It was. H2 Oi.
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  Don't call it H2. Oi know you don't, that's why I
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  did. I know, OK, it's age 20, he
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  directed that. OK, which I didn't hate.
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  He directed a movie, Forever Young with Jamie Lee Curtis and
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  Mel Gibson of. Course with the.
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  Plane. That's right.
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  There's a plane. Yeah.
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  Lake Placid. Betty White.
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  Yes, he directed that. The lesser Anaconda.
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  That's right. And yeah, I directed this movie
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  here. He tried.
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  All right, there it is, coming in hot.
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  Jest. I don't think you do.
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  Yeah, I don't. But yeah, Steve Meyer directed
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  it. Ron Kerz wrote it based on
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  characters, of course, by Victor Miller, who wrote the first one.
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  I would say the writing isn't it's strong suit, but I think
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  the direction at times is OK. Yeah, just OK, It's OK.
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  It's not. Brilliant but clever editing
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  tricks. I thought overall was pretty.
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  I don't have high expectations at this point, Phillip.
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  After watching 8 Halloween movies roughly and watching
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  Nightmare One watching Friday 13th, 1:00 and 2:00, I'm well
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  aware of the waters in which I tread.
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  That's right, and I do my best to taper my expectations.
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  I think it's just established. I don't have any at all, sorry.
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  Yeah, I think that's key. Yeah, that is key.
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  I think that's the key. I think it's huge.
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  We have this conversation I think we mentioned on Siskel and
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  Ebert. It's one that I go back to all
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  the time. Ebert and Siskel had an argument
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  about Full Metal Jacket. Yes, absolutely.
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  And Siskel gave it a thumbs up. Ebert gave it a thumbs down, but
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  and later in the episode, Ebert gave a reboot of Lassie a thumbs
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  up and Siskel just attacked him and saying like, what the fuck
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  are you doing? You know Full Metal Jacket gets
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  a thumbs down. This brilliant war movie, the
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  Stanley Kubrick masterpiece. But a dog gets a thumbs up like.
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  Hey, what's wrong with you? Yeah, and basically, Ebert says,
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  because you're looking at them from two different perspectives,
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  you can't hold one to the same account as another.
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  So when I think about this movie and the movies that we're going
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  to go in the future. Whose side are you on?
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  To come in with the idea that this needs to be thoughtful or
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  or cerebral in any capacity, or unique or clever, or whatever
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  else. Doesn't need to be any of that.
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  It doesn't necessarily now what it wants to do still needs to be
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  done successfully and or not right.
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  So if it doesn't deliver on the things that it's sort of set out
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  to, then that's a problem. But to compare it to something
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  like Citizen Kane or one for the Cuckoo's Nest or you know where
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  you're looking at. I've never thoughts and and
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  whatever else. It's just that this isn't going
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  to be that movie. Have I ever done that?
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  I probably. Yeah, probably, but I try not.
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  To no for sure. When you say going in with low
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  expectations, I think that's probably fair.
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  Yeah, I think I still need to be entertained.
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  Of course. I'm not saying I wasn't.
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  It's supposed to have merit, right?
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  Like it's supposed to be worth an hour and 25 minutes of your
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  life. No glaring like errors that's.
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  A movie, right? Like just laziness and things
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  like that. If you put the effort into it,
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  if you're a guy or a girl, if you're a human being and you
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  want to make a horror film and you put the effort into it and
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  we can see your effort, that's good.
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  That's fine. Sure.
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  It's when you just put together crap like Sharknado.
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  Yeah, sure. And you know, I shouldn't say I
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  haven't seen it, but you're you just put together something
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  that's just obviously bad and you didn't even try to make it
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  good. Sure.
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  That's where I have a problem. I totally get it.
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  And ultimately I don't know that this movie fits what paradigm
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  we're just talking about because it is clearly a cash in.
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  It's less than a year later that it's getting released.
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  It's a lot of the same beats, right?
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  So it may not have the merit that we're talking about, but to
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  expect something above what it is doing is a challenge because
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  it's not going to reach any of those heights.
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  So let's do that and we'll get into sort of what I think is
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  interesting about the comparison, interesting for
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  better, for worse, about the comparison between this and the
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  Halloween movies that that we've watched in the past.
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  Absolutely, yeah. I'd be worried if we didn't make
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  a few comparisons. Going to be a couple.
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  There has to be. Yeah, this comes to the
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  territory. It's in the contract, David.
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  Let's just do a little change of pace here.
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  Why don't you tell me what this movie is about?
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  Five years after the events of the first film, a summer camp
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  next to the infamous Camp Crystal Lake is preparing to
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  open. But the legend of Jason is
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  weighing heavy on the pro seedings.
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  I had to hit more, see what I it was pro dot dot dot.
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  And that's all that was left. You're telling me you couldn't
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  squeeze seedings into that somehow make your font a little
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  bit, I don't know, get. Your shit together IMDb.
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  Nonetheless, that encapsulates what happens, what it is, what
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  this the essence of this film, really.
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  Yeah, it is weighing heavy. Jason is weighing heavy.
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  He is heavy. I don't think he actually is
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  weighing heavy at all. The Jason thing isn't
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  established enough for it to weigh heavy.
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  I actually disagree with this synopsis.
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  Jeez. OK, all right.
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  No, that's no OK. I mean, if you think about it
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  right, they have a couple of conversations about him out of
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  folklore and legend. Legend, you're right.
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  He's not legend yet. But he's nobody to be worried
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  about. They're opening the camp.
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  Other than Crazy Ralph, no one seems to have any real trouble.
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  There's not a skepticism or anything around it.
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  That's true. They had one night, 10 people
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  died. Sure, it was five years ago.
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  It's not even our camp. It's over.
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  There, it's right there. Next door.
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  So I don't really think it's weighing too heavily on the on
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  the proceedings. It's just 300 meters away,
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  exactly same lake. Different different locale.
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  Same lake. Let's be clear about that all.
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  Right. That's right.
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  All right. Well, regardless, that's what
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  we're dealing with. Here we are, yeah.
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  Yeah, but of course, before we get to the camp, let's spend 15
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  minutes with the original Friday.
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  We start with a character named Jesse.
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  Did you catch that? No.
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  I got some detailed notes here. You're really digging deep.
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  I wrote down Jesse, didn't notice someone right beside him.
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  I thought the same thing. OK good you're not gonna cuz I
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  know sometimes you've been known to turn a blind eye of.
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  Course, that's the Spielberg type of thing for me, where it's
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  sort of like not on the screen doesn't happen.
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  There's the T Rex. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, but I find interesting I. Don't care too much.
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  Before we get to that, I'm not out yet.
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  Yeah, I wondered about this idea that we have established this as
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  a horror movie. It's a gore movie.
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  It's a slasher film and opening with a child singing itsy bitsy
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  spider walking down the street in the puddle.
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  Did you think the kids going to get it?
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  No, I was more curious to why he wasn't wearing proper footwear
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  if. You're going to go splashing.
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  You wear your. Boots.
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  You don't? Yeah, 'cause it's not fun to get
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  wet feet, even as a child. This kid loves it.
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  I know he's an idiot. He probably should have died.
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  Deserved it. Yeah, but unfortunately, Jason's
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  just scoping out the town. Yeah, yeah.
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  We're going to talk a little bit about that too.
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  Yeah, I don't know. I didn't know he was a scoper
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  but. He scopes.
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  He scopes. Yeah, his mom scoped so I mean.
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  He uses scope. That's right.
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  I use Listerine. I don't know what you're using,
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  clearly nothing, But yeah, it sets up the beginning of the
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  movie. Before we even start, do you
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  come in with any knowledge? So the last thing we saw, the
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  last thing in Friday the 13th, how could I forget, is
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  memorable. Somebody, something.
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  The boy in the lake pulls Alice out of the canoe.
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  Out of the boat. Which one is it, canoe or boat?
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  It's a floating device on the water.
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  Did you even watch? Friday, the original.
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  So recently when we watched the first one, I think you
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  understood Jason. Friday the 13th being the same.
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  And then we realized, of course, that it's mother is the one that
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  kills everybody in the first movie, so.
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  Yeah, Misses Voorhees, which is an old friend of the Christie's.
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  That's right. That's key.
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  Now it's a year later to you. What is Jason right?
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  They're trying to tell you now that a grown man is walking on
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  the street in some unknown city stalking Alice at any point.
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  Does that cause what the fuck is happening?
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  Moments. Questions.
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  You know, it's weird because I think I've watched so much
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  Halloween. I'm just used to a guy.
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  Yeah. Foaming around, stalking people
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  in a small town. Sure.
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  So I'm used to the shots of legs.
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  So it felt completely natural. Obviously Jason is known to me.
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  Yes. It was his mother in the first
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  one. Clearly, this is Jason.
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  And yeah, so no real surprise. I found it upsetting.
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  Not upsetting because I came to this movie much later into the
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  series. I had already seen a couple of
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  other ones prior to going back to this.
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  Got you. But the idea of the jump from
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  Part 1 where there is a ghost like situation in the water, did
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  it happen, did it not? Happen.
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  That's true. And he's dead, according to his
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  mother, drowning 58 because no one was watching him.
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  And now it's a year later in real life, it's a few months
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  later in. Yeah, a few months I believe.
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  In movie life, movie time, and there's a grown man walking
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  around some strange town, not the forests.
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  Does he have the bag on his head when he's walking around this
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  town stalking out? Why are you so critical of these
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  movies, Phil? Just enjoy it.
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  I think it's really. Really funny to me, this is,
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  there's a lot of things that I accept in these movies that's
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  funny without any question. And I just sort of go with it.
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  And once this movie gets knowing, I actually don't have
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  any problems with that kind of thing.
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  Sure. But right away I just
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  immediately thinking, this doesn't make sense, not to the
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  point where I'm out, but I'm just like, huh?
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  Is he walking around town with a bag on his?
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  Head That's funny, because I had full recollection of what
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  happened in the original. Yeah, because it was only a few
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  months ago and it was pretty memorable.
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  Yeah, it didn't bother me at all.
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  Such a strange thing. That is strange.
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  I missed that one. You get the music, Sting as he
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  steps in the puddle when Jesse gets called away.
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  Yeah, and we get Alice, who's experiencing a night terror.
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  She does very good. Nightmare acting.
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  Yeah, yeah. Did you remember her from the
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  first movie? Like did you connect the dots
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  that this was a survivor? Once I saw her in the.
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  Flashback, flashback. OK, Yeah.
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  It was clear as day, clear as day.
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  I thought, I thought she's good. Yeah.
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  I think the scene goes on too long.
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  The flashback scene, the dream sequence.
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  She's like writhing around on the bed for a long time.
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  We've seen his feet, he's across the street from this house, and
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  yet we have what feels like 7 minutes of flashback nightmare.
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  I think they really want to showcase her nightmare acting.
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  I think that's what it was. I mean, it's a full 15 before we
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  get into it. It's certainly a little bit on
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  the lengthy side. I don't think we need a full
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  rocky situation here. Like, I don't think we need to
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  see all of that. If I'm going to this movie, it's
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  been less than a year since I've seen.
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  It I think we could have got to the beheading quicker.
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  Yeah, it's like the kind of culmination, because that's all
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  it is, right? Like you don't need to see all
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  the other stuff. Now when she's clearly going
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  through something. She's talking to her parents.
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  This is what she needs. I just need some time on my own.
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  She. Needs to be alone.
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  That's what you want. Makes perfect sense.
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  And she takes a shower, of course.
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  Why wouldn't you? Here's the question I have You
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  ever had cats? Yeah, you know, I've had.
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  Cats I know, do they ever jump out a window because this cat,
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  when she's doing the tour, this cat seems to basically be like
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  thrown into the apartment. What's funny about pets in
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  horror movies? The general rule that I've seen
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  is cats are there for the jump scares.
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  Yeah, and dogs are there to die. Oh, that is true.
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  Yeah. Think about it.
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  Yeah, Michael Martin killed a dog.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Wasn't. Cujo a real problem?
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  Absolutely. I love that movie.
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  Yes, yes. I just thought about that in
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  that moment. True, but I've had no cats like
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  that in that situation. It's always saved the cat too.
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  That's like a screen writing trick.
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  Save the cat. Yeah.
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  No ones, no ones thinking about the dog.
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  How you take them from granted, Yeah.
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  Fascinating. Certainly in this movie too.
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  But I still get the sense that someone's around that she's
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  being like, you know what? You get that camera shot where
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  it's following her. Yeah, but it's not anybody.
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  Yes, it's just loading. Yeah, it's just following.
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  But wants to make you think that.
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  Totally. So I figured something is up.
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  I was really curious to see if they were going to kill her.
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  Yeah. I was hoping not.
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  Because you liked her. Well, I didn't like her.
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  Like her. Like romantically sure, but she
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  was a fine lady and I really appreciated the old fridge and
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  stove. That yellowish colour that was
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  big back in the day. Totally.
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  I wasn't a big fan of what was inside the fridge though.
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  That was a head. It was a head, yeah.
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  So just before she ultimately it's.
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  The ice pick in the in. The yeah, temple, that's fine.
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  Wasn't the temple. It was the temple.
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  Was the temple. It's tough to get through that
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  bone. Yeah, but Jason's strong.
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  He's been, he's been weight training, Yeah.
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  Yeah, in the lake. Living off the land.
• 18:14
  Living off the land. Whose head was that?
• 18:18
  I was hoping you'd ask. I watched it twice.
• 18:20
  I'm like, I still don't know whose head that is.
• 18:22
  So what if I was to tell you that that head I believe is
• 18:27
  meant to be Mrs. Voorhees head? That was my only thought.
• 18:31
  He carries it around. This is the thing.
• 18:33
  So if we're taking that as logic, that that is now his
• 18:36
  mother's head. He is wandering around from
• 18:39
  Crystal Lake, wherever that is in New Jersey, to whatever small
• 18:42
  town this is beside Jesse, a bag head and carrying in a knapsack,
• 18:48
  maybe his mother's head, and then puts it in the fridge to
• 18:53
  startle this woman, kills her, does the decent thing, which I
• 18:57
  do appreciate, taking the kettle off of the stove.
• 19:00
  Oh, did he? Oh, that's.
• 19:01
  Good. I didn't want to draw attention
• 19:03
  I guess. Fair enough.
• 19:04
  And then presumably packs up that head, brings it back to
• 19:10
  Crystal Lake, back to his shed, because it plays pretty
• 19:13
  prominently at the end of the movie as well.
• 19:16
  You know, it's funny, the only thing I didn't buy was him
• 19:19
  phoning her. That's right, that's another
• 19:22
  thing. Like, I don't think Jason's
• 19:23
  picking up a phone. No, I think that's just done.
• 19:26
  Yeah, because you have to have the phone bit.
• 19:28
  That's right. The phone could ring and if the
• 19:31
  power can go out in the middle of that, right, like you're
• 19:33
  having a conversation and then it's hey, wait, the phone went.
• 19:36
  Yeah, he would unplug the. Yeah, he would.
• 19:38
  But this is he's actually seemingly dialing the phone.
• 19:42
  You would have to have 1/4, yes. And I don't buy that Jason has a
• 19:45
  quarter. I buy more than he has a head in
• 19:48
  a knapsack wandering around town.
• 19:51
  Then I do him having a quarter. It's shocking, Yeah.
• 19:53
  Yeah, so this 1st 15 I find really, really tough, which is
• 19:58
  really strange because I genuinely from that moment
• 20:01
  onward, I'm actually pretty connected to this movie.
• 20:04
  Well, I appreciate you not being incredibly forgiving in this
• 20:07
  instance. In general, forgiving is a good.
• 20:09
  Exactly. Good quality.
• 20:10
  But but yeah, generally speaking, I, I think it's trying
• 20:13
  to reset, I believe reset the table to what Jason will be
• 20:18
  because up until this point, again, the last villain we knew
• 20:21
  was a mother. I always got her head cub to cut
• 20:24
  off and I kind of forgot about that.
• 20:25
  Like I knew that. That her head got cut.
• 20:27
  Off No, I just, I just knew she was the villain.
• 20:29
  Yeah, but for me she was Jason in a weird way.
• 20:32
  Yeah, we take Jason as like Kleenex, right?
• 20:35
  Like he's just that's he's just, oh, ubiquitous.
• 20:37
  He's around. So this movie has a tall ask to
• 20:40
  me to try and explain this little kid in the water now
• 20:44
  being a grown man with a severed head and a bag on his head,
• 20:48
  right? Like that's a what?
• 20:49
  This doesn't make any sense, but once I think the movie does a
• 20:52
  good job by clearing that up and killing Alice and sort of having
• 20:55
  a a bit of a gross out scene for some reason.
• 20:58
  At that point it like resets for me.
• 21:01
  OK, and the credits go and now I'm like, OK, we're a can't pack
• 21:04
  an act. You're with it.
• 21:05
  I'm with it for whatever happens.
• 21:06
  And that was true even back in the old days when I first saw
• 21:09
  it. It just suck to survive all of
• 21:11
  that just to die, yeah, a couple months later.
• 21:15
  You know what I mean? In that way, Like if it's
• 21:18
  something else, you get hit by a bus, OK, still sucks.
• 21:22
  But to somehow avoid all of that and survive?
• 21:26
  That's a tough pill to swallow. That's for sure.
• 21:30
  And just before we get into the movie, I I this vague
• 21:33
  recollection of the original Friday 13th one.
• 21:38
  It was glass breaking to kind of get the credits rolling.
• 21:41
  Yes, yes, the title came in. Smashed the glass.
• 21:44
  I like that one. This one, yeah.
• 21:46
  You don't like it. The big explosion that happens,
• 21:49
  it's bigger, it's better. It's a year later.
• 21:51
  We're ready. We're up in the ante.
• 21:53
  I think you know how I feel about that.
• 21:55
  Not into it. Not into it, but I'm ready.
• 21:57
  I'm ready to get into it. I'm ready to meet the new crew.
• 22:01
  All right. Well, Jeff and Sandra, a couple
• 22:03
  of newbies for you. New blood.
• 22:05
  Looks like they have 1/4, yeah. They do have 1/4.
• 22:09
  They're in a phone booth with Colin Farrell.
• 22:13
  I like Sandra. I bet you do.
• 22:16
  And I'll tell you right now, please, we are not going to see
• 22:18
  her breasts. You knew that going.
• 22:20
  I knew we were going to see breasts OK, but I know they're
• 22:23
  not going to be hers. Why is that?
• 22:25
  What about? It I just know it's a certain
• 22:27
  style, a certain type of breast. Yeah, they do not show.
• 22:31
  All right, I'm not complaining about the ones they do show and
• 22:34
  I'm not even saying that I need to see it, sure, but I just know
• 22:38
  from experience these are these are off limits which I'm used
• 22:44
  to. Sure.
• 22:44
  I'm used to, you know. Yeah, what if I was to tell you
• 22:47
  that there was a deleted scene where they were shown?
• 22:52
  I would need that footage. Yeah, what if I was to tell you
• 22:57
  that the reason that footage is not seen is it because it came
• 23:00
  out later that she was 17? Oh, at the time you set me up,
• 23:05
  you set me up. This doesn't change the facts.
• 23:08
  They're good. Boobs.
• 23:09
  Facts are facts, and when we're dealing with a movie like this,
• 23:12
  we want to deal in facts. 100% So yes, that Sandra and I agree
• 23:16
  that they're probably real and they're spectacular.
• 23:22
  We get the old guy again, Crazy Ralph with the same warning.
• 23:27
  That's it. I told them they're all doomed.
• 23:30
  Yeah, it's nice to see him in the roster update.
• 23:32
  Still there. Yeah, that's right.
• 23:33
  No one listens to Crazy Ralph. Well, it's not the most
• 23:37
  credible. That's the problem.
• 23:39
  But I mean, everything he said, the last movie did happen.
• 23:42
  So I think he's actually, he's got some credibility, but no one
• 23:45
  believes him anyway. We get the voyeur Cam shot.
• 23:49
  Yeah, traditional. This movie you'll see, I think
• 23:53
  does hit a lot of the same beats as the original.
• 23:57
  Let's not dance around that fact.
• 23:59
  What I was really excited about, had you chosen Nightmare, was
• 24:02
  the variety of and the imagination and the ingenuity of
• 24:07
  some of the kills. Yeah, 'cause you have the whole
• 24:09
  dream thing that really allows. For that, open up some some fun
• 24:12
  kind of bigger playground. What happens here, though I love
• 24:16
  it, is that you're limited in general, at least in these early
• 24:20
  movies, to what you can really kind of do.
• 24:23
  I don't want surprises. No, not in these types of
• 24:26
  movies. Tested right, you just kind of
• 24:27
  go with it. So the the tropes like you're
• 24:29
  saying the stalker Cam is he there is he not?
• 24:32
  You know that kind of stuff you're never going to get away
• 24:35
  from in that sort of slasher genre.
• 24:38
  So I think it's done well enough in this.
• 24:40
  And there's always the Euckler issues.
• 24:43
  You remember the first one? She needed to hitch a ride.
• 24:46
  Yes, this time the vehicle gets towed.
• 24:49
  Yeah, yeah. But that's just an elaborate
• 24:51
  prank. Oh, by Ted.
• 24:52
  Ted the Prankster. All right, let's talk about Ted.
• 24:56
  It's Ted Talk. What a goofy guy.
• 24:57
  He's totally goofy. I love his look.
• 24:59
  Yeah, pretty dorky I'm. Looking forward to his death.
• 25:02
  Yeah, yeah, this is the guy that dies.
• 25:04
  Yeah. And that's part of the fun in
• 25:05
  this movie, if I can call it fun, is you have your ensemble.
• 25:09
  Yeah, and you think who's going to die, Who may not, and in
• 25:14
  which order? And how?
• 25:16
  Which is kind of. Fun to me as well.
• 25:18
  How is your world? That's my sickness.
• 25:20
  More of just the just do it in a nice orderly fashion, OK, Nice
• 25:24
  and clean. Nice and clean.
• 25:27
  Limited blood. Speaking of butts, did I say
• 25:31
  butts? You did now.
• 25:36
  We get a scene at the campground, yeah, of a woman
• 25:40
  with a really nice butt. Yes.
• 25:43
  Terry. Terry's butt.
• 25:44
  Look like Ally Larder's. Yes.
• 25:47
  Fresh from last week, Yeah. Had the same hips.
• 25:50
  Like walking away. Yeah.
• 25:51
  Same sway. You put two lockers next to her
• 25:54
  and you're kind of like, I know this with the scene.
• 25:55
  Yeah, OK. Absolutely.
• 25:58
  Yeah, it's a good, but it's a good.
• 25:59
  But, and Scott's a pervert. Absolutely, for sure.
• 26:03
  Well, at this point he's just playful.
• 26:04
  Yeah, later. He's a.
• 26:05
  Pervert. Yeah, he's a pervert because
• 26:06
  they're not together. That's right, yeah.
• 26:08
  You just sees an ass and wants a piece.
• 26:10
  And you have to have your traditional slingshot in an 80s
• 26:13
  movie of. Course, absolutely.
• 26:14
  Now I wonder just if we can suck.
• 26:16
  Just generally, if you can compare and remember what the
• 26:19
  first movie was. What are your thoughts on this
• 26:21
  cast of characters? We won't get into specifics,
• 26:23
  just generally are you more or less excited about what's what's
• 26:27
  being presented here? Are they good looking?
• 26:31
  Are they good looking but also just like in terms of character
• 26:34
  and so? Forth good actors.
• 26:35
  Anything yet? Like, are you killable?
• 26:37
  Yeah. I would say it's not a step
• 26:40
  backwards. Yeah, OK.
• 26:42
  I think more of them right right off the.
• 26:43
  Bat Yeah, that has me wondering how many kills we're going to
• 26:46
  see. But later, we'll fix that
• 26:49
  problem. We'll get the talent.
• 26:50
  Too much disappointment on who we don't get to see die, Ted.
• 26:55
  But I I would say we're at the very least on par.
• 26:58
  Yeah. OK.
• 26:59
  My recollection of all the faces from the original have
• 27:01
  dissipated. Of course, Missus Voorhies has
• 27:04
  has lingered. A dream sequence to help that
• 27:06
  one. Exactly.
• 27:07
  That was about it. My thoughts on this were
• 27:10
  immediately, I like these people, and I don't know that I
• 27:14
  really felt I like these people with anybody in the first one.
• 27:16
  OK, so there was something about this particular group of people
• 27:20
  more. Personality you.
• 27:21
  Know it wasn't just like, you know, she's cute, she's not
• 27:23
  whatever. But there's maybe more
• 27:25
  personalities, more defining feature.
• 27:27
  Maybe wheelchair. Wheelchair is clear, like Mike
• 27:30
  is a character, Mark is character, but I found the girls
• 27:35
  to also have like somewhat distinct, if not personalities,
• 27:40
  physicalities, so that yeah, they're all.
• 27:42
  Unique to each other. Yeah, and even Scott, like, has
• 27:46
  a look and has a sort of vibe about him, creepy as it is.
• 27:49
  Sorry, you've lost all credibility.
• 27:50
  But identifiable in ways that I don't think the first one really
• 27:55
  did. Yeah, OK.
• 27:55
  I'm with you. And certainly Amy Steele is one
• 27:57
  of my favorite. She's popular in every
• 28:00
  iteration. She's probably one of the the
• 28:02
  highlights of this whole. Series.
• 28:03
  I read some reviews. I do that sometimes.
• 28:06
  You know that? Yeah, it took me a while to find
• 28:09
  a 10, but not as long as it should have.
• 28:12
  But one guy just raved about her.
• 28:14
  Yeah, I don't think she's amazing.
• 28:16
  She's fine, but I think she's really good in this role and
• 28:18
  she's also really pretty obviously, which helps.
• 28:20
  She's actually my fourth favorite in terms of.
• 28:23
  This movie 4th. Favorite in terms of who I want
• 28:26
  to date? OK, All right, fascinating.
• 28:29
  Let's get to the bottom of that. On the men's side of things,
• 28:32
  young Jeff Daniels, that's right.
• 28:34
  Are you with me on that? Yes, I see it.
• 28:36
  At first, when you said it, I I didn't.
• 28:38
  But now that I've sat with it for a minute, yeah, I see it.
• 28:41
  OK, good. I like it.
• 28:42
  He's charismatic. He's a good leading man.
• 28:44
  I like Steve Christie from the first movie.
• 28:46
  This guy is capable. Feels kind of of a piece like
• 28:50
  with the group. There's a bit of an attitude I
• 28:53
  like too. Yeah, he's a little smug, yeah,
• 28:55
  but also kind of dismissive and knowing that it's kind of a
• 28:58
  bullshit job, but it's their job and they're here and let's take
• 29:01
  it seriously. Steve Christie, if you remember,
• 29:03
  is just kind of a old creep where Paul's got a good vibe
• 29:07
  about him and he makes a joke that, you know, it's like, if my
• 29:09
  only my staff could get here, he can start the process and that
• 29:13
  lets Ginny show up. Which doesn't make sense to me
• 29:16
  because what he says is what the hell?
• 29:19
  You're wondering where your help is, And then when they show up
• 29:22
  you're like, what the hell, I think.
• 29:24
  What? What the hell took you so long?
• 29:26
  That's not the impression I got. He's like, what the Hell's going
• 29:28
  on? Oh, no, no, that's your help.
• 29:30
  No, no, that's the time. No, no, no, no.
• 29:32
  Check the tape. You're a Time guy.
• 29:33
  You should recognize he's late. He's like, what the hell?
• 29:35
  Where were you? No.
• 29:36
  No, see, that's that's my point. The way he enunciated each of
• 29:40
  those words. OK, what the hell was like, what
• 29:42
  is going on? I don't know what's happening
• 29:44
  here. Oh, I see.
• 29:46
  OK, just said where's my help? And now they're showing up and
• 29:49
  you clearly know that that person is your help because it's
• 29:52
  Ginny and you have a thing with you're dating her or there's
• 29:55
  something going on between the sheets.
• 29:57
  That's right. But she establishes the car
• 29:59
  doesn't work. And I think that obviously in
• 30:02
  these kinds of movies is important to lay the groundwork
• 30:05
  early that this car might be a problem.
• 30:07
  They also mentioned that bears are dangerous, which apparently
• 30:10
  back in the 80s people thought bears aren't dangerous.
• 30:13
  That some bears aren't. Yeah, Berenstein.
• 30:17
  Yeah, that Fire Marshall one Paddington, Yeah.
• 30:21
  But generally, yes, sure. Yeah.
• 30:24
  Anyways, he also utters the you know, keep yourself clean.
• 30:28
  Yeah, that's a thing. There's a a moment a little bit
• 30:30
  later that after they've slept together and she wakes up, I
• 30:34
  believe, and there's a note either on the window or the
• 30:36
  mirror or something that reads beware of the bears or look out
• 30:39
  for the bears. And I wonder if that means she
• 30:43
  is on her period. Maybe.
• 30:46
  Basically like clean up after yourself is what I interpret
• 30:49
  that note to read, and I thought it was kind of crass.
• 30:52
  Are you thinking anal? No, no.
• 30:56
  I just think maybe she's on it, you know, maybe the the period
• 30:59
  is happening. It's.
• 30:59
  Possible anyway, just thought you'd check the calendar.
• 31:02
  Bear talk, you know, it's like, be aware of it.
• 31:04
  Clean up after yourself. We just had sex.
• 31:06
  Clean up after yourself. Maybe there was a little
• 31:07
  bleeding spotting. Perhaps.
• 31:09
  Could be could. Be I don't think we're really
• 31:11
  qualified to talk about this, no.
• 31:12
  I think this probably hopefully won't see the light of.
• 31:15
  Day. Well, it wouldn't be a horror
• 31:24
  movie without a campfire story. Yeah, yeah, here it is.
• 31:28
  One of my favorite scenes. Paul's the leader.
• 31:31
  Yep. So he's going to tell a tale
• 31:33
  around a fire. Yeah, he's gonna talk about
• 31:37
  Jason, the legend of Jason. Did you notice Ted wasn't there?
• 31:41
  No, Me neither. Did you think?
• 31:42
  Anyone else did? No, it doesn't matter.
• 31:44
  A lot of people there, so I don't think so.
• 31:46
  Do you like the story? I love the story.
• 31:48
  Does it do it like justice? I think ultimately there's a
• 31:52
  couple of times where this movie tries to explain Jason and the
• 31:56
  legacy and what it could be and what it isn't.
• 31:58
  And I think, again, you have to do that for this movie because
• 32:01
  there's no reason for this person to be a thing.
• 32:04
  Jason doesn't exist in the first one other than, as I said, a
• 32:06
  child that drowned. Yeah, which may or may not even
• 32:09
  have happened. Here is a figment of her
• 32:11
  imagination. Absolutely we don't.
• 32:13
  Right. So he's talking about the story,
• 32:14
  Jason. He's still out there.
• 32:15
  He's demented, you know, as he he's full grown by now, living
• 32:20
  off of wild animals and vegetation and talking about how
• 32:24
  Alice is gone. He probably saw his mother
• 32:27
  beheaded that night. Revenge to anyone who comes into
• 32:30
  his wilderness makes sense. I found this story to be.
• 32:34
  Excellent, really connects all the dots.
• 32:36
  Yeah, and then he talks about how it's been five years, we're
• 32:39
  the first camp to come back, and then Ted jumps out.
• 32:43
  I love the scene. I found the delivery of it to be
• 32:45
  so, for lack of a better term, sincere.
• 32:48
  I don't know if you caught that, but like, this is a movie that
• 32:51
  is. When I've used that word but.
• 32:52
  Fundamentally silly, right? Like let's just call it what it
• 32:55
  is. But it's a real moment.
• 32:56
  But that delivery is like, I buy it.
• 32:59
  Paul's good. And his delivery of it, I
• 33:00
  thought was intense enough to kind of lock in, and as a
• 33:04
  result, I jumped or jostled when Ted jumped out.
• 33:08
  I was caught up in it. I don't even think Ted needed
• 33:10
  the mask. No, certainly.
• 33:13
  You know what I mean. Yeah, totally.
• 33:14
  Did you find yourself caught up in that at all?
• 33:16
  Were you kind of engaged whatsoever in that tale?
• 33:18
  I recognize it as being a solid story that helped explain Jason,
• 33:25
  which I think the movie needed after what you just said at the
• 33:29
  beginning of this film. Yeah, I think it does a good
• 33:30
  job. It's similar to the first movie.
• 33:34
  They move indoors. Yeah.
• 33:35
  No Monopoly. No.
• 33:37
  Not this time. Not this time.
• 33:39
  We have Scott. Let's talk about Scott first.
• 33:42
  If you, if I could, please, would you mind?
• 33:44
  By all means, go ahead. He wants someone to dance with.
• 33:48
  Yeah. And he ends up dancing with the
• 33:49
  dog. Yes, that's what's he's left
• 33:51
  with. Muffin.
• 33:52
  Muffin. Yep.
• 33:53
  You ever danced with a dog, Phillip?
• 33:55
  No. Good, I don't want to touch a
• 33:57
  dog but alone dance with one. It's kind of funny, so I'm not
• 34:00
  out on Scott yet. Because he's dancing with the
• 34:03
  dog. I think it's cute.
• 34:04
  OK, yeah, he's not perv yet to. Me.
• 34:06
  I don't know what he's doing with that dog.
• 34:07
  I. Didn't see any peanut butter
• 34:10
  later round. The only thing that didn't make
• 34:13
  sense to me in this movie that's not true.
• 34:15
  There's a lot of there's a few things I'm not sure there's
• 34:17
  we're still young. I meant in this scene is Ginny.
• 34:20
  It's not Jenny. No, it's.
• 34:21
  Ginny, Ginny. She wins at chess because she
• 34:25
  she's a psychologist. Yeah, she's smart.
• 34:26
  She is smart. Paul thinks she's got her.
• 34:28
  And doesn't matter. And then she's like, I'm going
• 34:31
  to bed. Yep, she's gonna invite him up
• 34:33
  for coffee. You know that little hasty just
• 34:36
  to leave like that? There's obviously a leave behind
• 34:38
  because he ends up coming in with her.
• 34:40
  Yeah, somehow he gets in there. Oh, he gets in there.
• 34:44
  He gets in there. We have a little jump scare.
• 34:46
  Yes, we do a fake. One.
• 34:48
  Mm Hmm. You gotta have a fake one, Phil.
• 34:50
  Yeah, before we have the real. One, yeah, there's often that
• 34:52
  like pressure release and then that's when you.
• 34:54
  Get We need a cat. Where's the cat?
• 34:56
  Paul's the cat they kiss, which is nice.
• 35:00
  Then they make up for a bit. No one needs to know.
• 35:02
  No one needs to know. Of course not unprofessional.
• 35:04
  That's right. Have some respect.
• 35:06
  Yeah, and like the first movie, Crazy Ralph.
• 35:09
  Ends up at the camp just like staying around I think.
• 35:11
  He's trying to do a good thing. Yeah, it's a thick tree.
• 35:14
  Yeah, a lot of GERD who's. To say what could be on the
• 35:17
  other side of it. Barbed wire.
• 35:19
  Yeah, yeah. Go rotting.
• 35:21
  Yeah. I like barbed wire.
• 35:23
  I grew up in the country, a lot of barbed wire, sure, and around
• 35:26
  never used for this, obviously. Any crazy Ralphs?
• 35:28
  Anybody take care of any silences?
• 35:30
  Yeah, there was a few. This is our first kill.
• 35:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm. Excited of the new crew. 30
• 35:36
  minutes into the movie. 30 minutes in, is that a problem?
• 35:39
  No, because if you remember the first one, it's similar.
• 35:41
  We get, Is that a hitchhiker? Pretty quickly, Yeah.
• 35:44
  But after that, you set the table.
• 35:46
  Everybody kind of has their things.
• 35:47
  Yeah, So I was fine with it. The trajectory of it kind of
• 35:50
  leads me in the right. Direction.
• 35:51
  Like I said in the original Halloween, same thing.
• 35:53
  The tension, although done much better, Sure, but I don't mind
• 35:57
  waiting a little while for the first kill.
• 35:59
  And here we have it. What do you think of it?
• 36:01
  Tame. Be honest, tame.
• 36:03
  But I love that it's crazy Ralph getting it because like Alice
• 36:06
  earlier, it's like you don't really want to see a lot of
• 36:08
  people hanging around. Tying up the loose ends.
• 36:11
  A little bit. So the fact that he gets to kill
• 36:13
  him, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.
• 36:14
  He'd want too much money for the next one anyway.
• 36:16
  That's right. Exactly.
• 36:18
  I thought it was a pretty good kill.
• 36:19
  I would have liked it to last a little longer, but that's just
• 36:22
  me. That's that is not just.
• 36:24
  You. But between the two of us, it's
• 36:26
  just you. Certainly certain about
• 36:27
  comparison? Absolutely.
• 36:29
  So we're out on the trails, but you do, as you know, when you go
• 36:31
  to camp, you're taking the walks, jaunts, so forth, lots of
• 36:35
  trails, walk down to the beach, all these sort of realities.
• 36:39
  And we get Muffin making herself known.
• 36:41
  And there's a sequence where she kind of runs off on her own.
• 36:45
  And the implication is, in this moment, she finds Jason.
• 36:49
  Yeah, you see the legs? You see the legs, you see the
• 36:51
  legs and then hard cut hot dogs. That's saying something.
• 36:55
  That's clever. It's saying something, yeah.
• 36:58
  The implication to me, obviously, is the dog is dead.
• 37:00
  Yes, that's correct. Which we established earlier,
• 37:02
  which is further proven in a couple minutes when Jeff and
• 37:06
  Sandra very good decide that they're really hot to trot on
• 37:10
  this Camp Crystal Lake. I'm going to correct you right
• 37:13
  there. Please.
• 37:13
  Jeff is not. Jeff is less.
• 37:15
  It's all Sandra. Yeah, she's trotting.
• 37:17
  She basically has to call him a coward.
• 37:19
  It's true. Chicken.
• 37:20
  Yeah. Yellow.
• 37:21
  Yeah. And then on the way, we see the
• 37:25
  dog. Yeah, what we assume is the dog,
• 37:27
  right? Looks exactly.
• 37:28
  Like looks like gutted and eaten pretty fresh.
• 37:31
  Everything short of the name tag that says muffin.
• 37:34
  Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
• 37:35
  Uh huh. Let's put let's put a pin in
• 37:36
  this. Yeah, exactly.
• 37:37
  That's a little. That's a tab we're gonna leave
• 37:39
  open for the time. Being here, stay to the end.
• 37:41
  Stay to the end. They get caught by a police
• 37:46
  officer, a man of the law. That's right.
• 37:48
  It wouldn't be the movie without that.
• 37:51
  What's funny about that? We talked about this in the
• 37:53
  first movie that Sean Cunningham and Victor Miller both said if
• 37:57
  they had one regret of the first movie, it's that they should
• 37:59
  never have had the cop show. Up and yeah.
• 38:03
  And then now it's Part 2. Now granted, those two people
• 38:05
  aren't involved in this movie other than its producer, but you
• 38:09
  got to bring in the cop. Again, Like the whole point is
• 38:10
  that you should be isolated and yet.
• 38:12
  It's that need to bring in the police.
• 38:14
  The illusion of safety, the cops, they'll save the day so
• 38:18
  much. So this movie continues to do a
• 38:20
  good job. Here's a compliment of
• 38:23
  duplicating the first one. Totally fair.
• 38:27
  I'm getting some Jaws too vibes. Sure, absolutely.
• 38:30
  Yeah, find that formula and run it out.
• 38:31
  But what it does do is give Paul an opportunity to share that
• 38:35
  some of that smugness we talked about in the beginning, he gets
• 38:39
  a little smug with the cop. That's right, because he's not
• 38:42
  reprimanding. No desserts not.
• 38:44
  Don't say there's no reprimands. That's true, but you don't get
• 38:47
  dessert. Man.
• 38:47
  Did that score some points with Jenny?
• 38:49
  Absolutely. See the look he got?
• 38:50
  Oh. Yeah, yeah, he's doing just
• 38:52
  fine. You're.
• 38:52
  Smug with a cop sealed that deal.
• 38:55
  What I find most interesting that does deviate is the cop is
• 39:00
  on his way back and we see a glimpse.
• 39:04
  Really. We see him.
• 39:06
  It's a glimpse, no. Yeah, but it's clearly.
• 39:08
  Oh sure, A human being with a bag on his head of.
• 39:10
  Course, but it's a glimpse is what I'm trying to say here.
• 39:14
  It darted through it was a glimpse OK it's a glimpse and
• 39:17
  the cop not knowing better chases after him.
• 39:20
  I found this chase sequence quote UN quote to be a little
• 39:23
  slow my. God, really slow because the
• 39:25
  cop's fat, yes. I mean, he's not Billy Bob
• 39:27
  level, but there you. Go the chase comes out.
• 39:29
  You said that with a lot of anger.
• 39:32
  It was just vitriol, David. It wasn't a very good.
• 39:34
  Sometimes it's genetics, OK? This guy's a good man.
• 39:37
  He's got family. Yeah, it's not the Donuts.
• 39:40
  You don't know anything about this guy's diet.
• 39:42
  He's a police officer. Wow.
• 39:45
  Stereotyping. Wow.
• 39:46
  I know I did it. Bold.
• 39:48
  I don't feel good about it. I don't feel good about myself
• 39:51
  either way. Regardless.
• 39:53
  Regardless, the chase ensues. He runs out of breath for a
• 39:58
  moment. Yeah.
• 39:59
  I don't know. Can we just do a little better
• 40:01
  editing on that? Yeah, I find that for a movie
• 40:04
  that is an hour, 26 and 15 minutes of it is the first movie
• 40:09
  set up. This scene I thought was just
• 40:10
  like wow this is long, unnecessarily so, but luckily it
• 40:13
  ends the right way. I like the fact that we find
• 40:16
  Jason's home. Yeah, talk to me about that.
• 40:19
  I wanted to hear your your kind of thoughts on.
• 40:21
  It's what you would expect it to be for a man of the woods, Sure
• 40:25
  as. Paul described it earlier.
• 40:27
  This is appropriate for the guy that's been living off of, Yeah.
• 40:30
  And they don't reveal too much. In playing the front at the 13th
• 40:35
  video game well, the most recent one you can find while you're
• 40:38
  hiding or running away from Jason to the shed.
• 40:41
  Wow yeah, it would alert Jason to your presence there and okay,
• 40:45
  you could grab a couple of other supplies and then use it to kill
• 40:47
  him and stuff. It was really cool.
• 40:49
  Sounds like fun. It's a great game.
• 40:50
  It's really certainly once you see more of these movies, you'll
• 40:52
  really, yeah, you'll you'll would have picked up on a lot of
• 40:56
  the geographical, well, just the level of detail, right, like
• 40:59
  camp pack and act, which is where this one is, is one of the
• 41:02
  levels you can play. So they've got a basically like
• 41:04
  an exact replica of this camp. It's really cool.
• 41:07
  I do like attention to detail. Yeah, it's really impressive.
• 41:10
  Speaking of attention to detail, actually, I wonder if you caught
• 41:13
  or noticed or cared. No, that there was a curtain by
• 41:20
  the toilet. Like as if this guy, this man
• 41:24
  beast thing that cares enough to living alone in the shed.
• 41:28
  Yeah, I don't. Presumably not near anybody for
• 41:31
  miles. So has to pee.
• 41:33
  Needs a curtain for the bathroom.
• 41:35
  That felt really funny to me. Do you close the door when
• 41:38
  you're alone at your in your house?
• 41:39
  Kevin's no, yeah. Why would you?
• 41:42
  No, so why would he? That's what makes me laugh.
• 41:44
  My wife used to for a while and she finally stopped.
• 41:47
  Like the full on lock, everything.
• 41:49
  I'm like full on lock. Full on lock.
• 41:51
  Yeah. Wow.
• 41:51
  What's? The point?
• 41:53
  Yeah. You think you're Josh or
• 41:54
  something? And now the door's just wide
• 41:56
  open. It's a comfort thing, obviously.
• 41:59
  Jason's just not quite comfortable in his own home,
• 42:02
  unfortunately. You know he's not comfortable as
• 42:04
  the cop with a hammer in his head.
• 42:06
  No, he's pretty dead. We see again, more leg work.
• 42:10
  Yeah. Do you think it's the same
• 42:11
  actor's legs the whole time? Yes, in this instance, yeah.
• 42:15
  There's the whole movie though, the same set of legs that we see
• 42:17
  constantly. Probably couple different same
• 42:19
  pants, different pants, different shoes.
• 42:21
  Yeah, it could be. I like consistency.
• 42:23
  Yeah, I bet. Well, now he has a headache.
• 42:25
  Pretty tame for your liking, I imagine.
• 42:27
  Fine by me. I love that it happened.
• 42:29
  I wish there were more blood deserves it, but I love that it
• 42:32
  happened. I love his face.
• 42:33
  There's something about the way in which he throws his head
• 42:36
  back. There's something about that
• 42:38
  face that I find. Great.
• 42:40
  Performance yeah not really like chilling or scary but just like
• 42:43
  iconic I know that face and when I think about that hammer in the
• 42:46
  back of the head I see that face and I'm like that's exactly what
• 42:50
  it should look like I don't know what it is, but I.
• 42:52
  It's perfect. Yeah.
• 42:53
  I want to clarify something. When I say when I use the term
• 42:55
  deserve, I don't mean like it's. Because of the Donuts.
• 42:58
  Well, I mean, it's the fact that they do something stupid that
• 43:01
  they deserve it in that sense. I don't mean like, sure, but
• 43:03
  what's a bad person? What's stupid in the sense he's
• 43:06
  a cop, but he sees something that needs investigation?
• 43:08
  That's a good cop. I call for backup.
• 43:11
  He doesn't know what's going to happen in there.
• 43:14
  Well, he knows the story. Probably.
• 43:17
  He's pretty pissed off that they even went there.
• 43:18
  Like, come on, you call for backup.
• 43:20
  Don't give me that. We're going to split it up here,
• 43:29
  David. Some of the folks are going to
• 43:31
  head to town and some are going to stay at the camp.
• 43:34
  Yes, that's right. Which side would you rather be
• 43:36
  on? Well, in hindsight.
• 43:38
  In hindsight, I say in real time, are you a home body or are
• 43:40
  you only let's go, get, let's go.
• 43:42
  Park, That's what scares me. I would have stuck around.
• 43:44
  Yeah, probably. Yeah.
• 43:45
  I'm Scott here. Yeah.
• 43:47
  That's not the guy you want to be, I'll tell you.
• 43:50
  It's. Not well, I mean for the short
• 43:52
  term, because Terry's about to go skinny dipping.
• 43:53
  Nudity that you've been desperate for.
• 43:55
  No, I just, I wasn't desperate for it.
• 43:57
  I knew it was going to happen when you saw she fit the bill.
• 44:01
  When you saw Sandra, you're like, I know she's not getting
• 44:04
  naked, but when you saw Terry, you were like, this girl's
• 44:07
  getting naked. Yes.
• 44:08
  OK, yeah. Did you think Jenny was going to
• 44:09
  get? Naked.
• 44:10
  No. OK, no.
• 44:11
  All right. It's just the one.
• 44:14
  You just. You knew it.
• 44:14
  You called it just. One, yeah, and I called the
• 44:16
  which one it was OK, that's impressive.
• 44:18
  Yeah, just cuz you weren't there to hear me call it didn't mean I
• 44:22
  didn't call it I. Trust you fully.
• 44:23
  I'm sure you told your wife like this is the one watch.
• 44:25
  She won't watch this 1981 shit with me of.
• 44:27
  Course not. I do question her decision to go
• 44:32
  out in the dark alone and take off your clothes.
• 44:35
  You're really leaving yourself vulnerable for something bad to
• 44:40
  happen, OK, Even if it's as small as Scott.
• 44:42
  Stealing your clothes? Just saying.
• 44:45
  She'd be safer if she was swimming with a bikini or like a
• 44:47
  bathing suit do. Something else?
• 44:49
  Play a handheld game. Arm wrestle with Mark.
• 44:52
  Get involved. Play Monopoly.
• 44:54
  Read a book. Yeah.
• 44:56
  But come on, skinny dipping at night?
• 44:58
  I love it. You ever done that?
• 45:00
  That's. No next to Camp Blood.
• 45:03
  Yeah, that's, that's the challenge.
• 45:04
  No, your surroundings, Yeah, get your head in the.
• 45:06
  Game, she deserves it, not because she's a bad person, but
• 45:08
  she puts herself in a bad situation.
• 45:10
  Well, Scott put himself in a good situation.
• 45:13
  A peeping Tom position. That's right.
• 45:16
  And steals her top. That's right.
• 45:18
  Yeah, that's right. And she's got the towel to cover
• 45:20
  up her her boobs. I'll say it.
• 45:23
  And we established that Vicky has a bit of a crush on Mark.
• 45:27
  You're telling me she's making it very well known, very clear
• 45:30
  that she's into him? The arm wrestling.
• 45:32
  Champion. That's right, That's right.
• 45:34
  He's right. He's taking care of business.
• 45:37
  He beats Jeff pretty cleanly I would say.
• 45:39
  It's just a a weird thing. He's just sitting there arm
• 45:42
  wrestling everyone. It just seems like AI don't
• 45:45
  know. What else has he got?
• 45:47
  I just thought it was odd. Yeah, sure.
• 45:49
  I don't know. I think you're trying to find
• 45:51
  ways to fill your time right? Again, you're not much.
• 45:54
  And if you're obviously he's an athlete, he's in training, as he
• 45:57
  says over and over again, I. Just fight.
• 45:58
  He's taking too much pride in being the arm wrestle champion
• 46:01
  guy. You can do other things.
• 46:03
  So she wants to change it up a little bit handheld.
• 46:08
  Sports games, Sandra interrupts and she wants Jeff to herself.
• 46:13
  Herself basically basically, which opens up the door for
• 46:16
  Vicki here yeah, she does change it up yeah now I love 80s tech
• 46:21
  in in old movies so I was just like what are these games hockey
• 46:27
  or. Football, was that what it was?
• 46:29
  Yeah, yeah, she likes the one with the puck.
• 46:32
  What does that even mean? What does that even?
• 46:33
  Mean I don't know. She says it tried to say it's so
• 46:35
  sultry and Mark is no better cuz he goes.
• 46:38
  So you mean hockey? Yeah, Whatever, man.
• 46:42
  Like because it rhymes with the. Effort.
• 46:45
  I think that's probably some sort of implication.
• 46:48
  And then he says, what do you want to play for?
• 46:51
  And she says position. Yeah, I didn't get that either.
• 46:55
  I can only assume sexual position.
• 46:57
  Maybe I'm not using my imagination, but it didn't seem
• 47:00
  like the right time. They're not there yet, yeah.
• 47:03
  Yeah, I don't know. She wants it to move pretty.
• 47:05
  Fast. She's pretty.
• 47:06
  Dumb, it seems. Yeah, but she's moving fast and
• 47:08
  saying things that don't make sense.
• 47:10
  That's what makes it worse. Yeah, I don't know.
• 47:12
  It's really challenging. Yeah.
• 47:13
  Cute couple, though. Yeah.
• 47:15
  They're gonna make it, I think. Now, did you pick up on it?
• 47:18
  It's really subtle, but Terry's getting out of the water.
• 47:21
  Back to Terry. I'm with you.
• 47:22
  And did you notice there's a little Jaws?
• 47:25
  Cute. Cute.
• 47:26
  You did. You did, I did.
• 47:28
  Good man. I wasn't sure if it was just me,
• 47:30
  but that was clearly a brief. Jaws beat perfect because I was
• 47:35
  at the same way as you, which I've watched this movie a dozen
• 47:37
  times. I've never really picked up on
• 47:39
  it. It was only on the second watch
• 47:41
  that I thought I think I just heard the Jaws this Jaws Y and
• 47:45
  there it is. So that's nice.
• 47:46
  That's a nice little. Call, if they had one more beat,
• 47:48
  they would have to get like a copyright.
• 47:50
  That's right. Trademark you something.
• 47:51
  Yeah. Fairy.
• 47:52
  Yeah, don't worry about it. But Scott kind of reveals
• 47:55
  himself to have been culprit in thieving Terry's clothes, so we
• 48:00
  get a little bit more of Terry naked.
• 48:03
  Which we're OK with, right? Which we're.
• 48:04
  OK, we're OK with that. Scott.
• 48:06
  Unfortunately, while being playful falls into a trap.
• 48:10
  Who laid that trap? Obviously, he was Jason
• 48:13
  Voorhees. OK, It was Jason, I'm sure.
• 48:16
  All right, Yeah, He gets roped up.
• 48:17
  Yeah. And at that point, we know he's
• 48:19
  dead. We can.
• 48:22
  Certainly predict. We have a pretty good inkling
• 48:24
  that he's probably the next to go.
• 48:28
  Could be really the first one if you don't count.
• 48:31
  Crazy Ralph? Yeah, he's the first of the
• 48:32
  group. I feel good about that.
• 48:34
  Yeah, yeah, I think so too. We're about 40 ish minutes in.
• 48:37
  Scott has been the least interesting character.
• 48:41
  He has those eyes. He's a really creepy look.
• 48:43
  Yeah, he does. So this just get rid of him.
• 48:46
  We're done with them. There you go.
• 48:47
  You're. Coming onto the side.
• 48:48
  Yeah, the other ones have more personality and it's too late in
• 48:52
  the game for him all of a sudden to have a personality, so he
• 48:56
  shall be eliminated very soon. Yeah, he gets a nice, nice
• 49:01
  throat slit. Yeah, I don't see what else you
• 49:03
  would. Do there?
• 49:04
  No, it's the best part. I mean, you can cut his entrails
• 49:06
  out, you know, cut his intestine.
• 49:07
  He can do a lot of things. Actually, not unlike Charles
• 49:09
  Napier and the sounds of the Lambs.
• 49:11
  You know, just gut him. Gut him and bleed them out that
• 49:13
  way. But I think a nice throat slash
• 49:15
  is classic is vintage. It's clean halal I think is I
• 49:19
  think. If they yeah, it was pretty
• 49:20
  halal. They're they're never going to
• 49:22
  eat them later. Yeah, you're going to be
• 49:25
  certified. You're good to go.
• 49:26
  You're good to go. What's her head?
• 49:31
  Sandra. Vicki Adodo.
• 49:33
  Terry finds them. So she gets to be scared.
• 49:37
  We don't see her die. No, she just kind of turns into
• 49:39
  the camera and that's it, yeah. Huh, I just realized that.
• 49:43
  But we never see her again so we can only.
• 49:45
  Oh yeah, no. She's she's gone.
• 49:46
  But yeah, we don't get to see it, unfortunately.
• 49:48
  It's in real time. We do cut to the bar now we kind
• 49:51
  of see how the other half is living.
• 49:53
  Yeah, a little guitar solo to get the ball rolling.
• 49:56
  Yeah, when she screams, it cuts back.
• 49:57
  It cuts to the whaling guitar. I thought again, you're playing
• 50:00
  with some editing choices. It's fun.
• 50:02
  Again, that's the effort I'm talking about.
• 50:03
  Yeah, yeah. I mean yes this is a a yearly
• 50:05
  roster update, but at least they're doing little things to
• 50:09
  try to do. Some originality.
• 50:11
  Yeah. There's nothing like that in the
• 50:12
  first one, right? The first one takes itself
• 50:13
  fairly seriously, and this has a little playfulness.
• 50:15
  Like the hot dog. And now the guitar thing.
• 50:17
  Yeah. But we have a bar full of people
• 50:19
  having a good time. That's right, I have the camp
• 50:22
  crew decided to take off. Ted's having a great time.
• 50:26
  Ted is an alcoholic. He's the life of the party.
• 50:28
  He. Is he does know when to stop
• 50:30
  though? Of course not.
• 50:31
  He's a beer can. Collector.
• 50:32
  Yeah. Bottle, even.
• 50:34
  Yeah, whatever. He's looking through the bottle.
• 50:36
  He's he's toasted. He's toasted but, but Jenny's
• 50:39
  not because it's story time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:42
  I love this. This is what to me separates
• 50:44
  Jenny as a character from almost anybody else in the movie, but
• 50:48
  also anybody long term. Yeah, Is that she has some level
• 50:52
  of intelligence, for lack of a better term.
• 50:53
  She's good. Well, she's, you know, going to
• 50:55
  school for. Yeah, but like, offers a
• 50:57
  character trait. Oh, she's the smart one or
• 50:59
  whatever, or else early. And here you get to pay it off.
• 51:01
  And I like that she's sort of a not taken seriously right away.
• 51:05
  So the point where she has to defend the fact like, no, no,
• 51:07
  no, let's let's really talk about this in real terms.
• 51:09
  Let's break it down. I thought that was it's a good
• 51:13
  character trait to have. And I thought, sure, performance
• 51:15
  is really solid in this. I think that's why she's
• 51:17
  probably most people's favorite. I think to a certain extent it's
• 51:19
  got to be that, and it's more character than one would assume
• 51:22
  in these types of movies. And no one else so far in the
• 51:25
  movie has gotten anything close to that.
• 51:26
  So you kind of, maybe, I don't know if you've picked up, but
• 51:28
  maybe you get the sense that she might be one of the survivors.
• 51:32
  Yeah, I think she's in for the long haul.
• 51:33
  Terry said nothing before she died, so you're like, OK, well,
• 51:37
  she. Didn't say anything buddy, but
• 51:41
  do you think Jason might be a frightened retard?
• 51:44
  I'm quoting the movie. He's looking for an excuse.
• 51:47
  To get it out. You know, yeah, sure.
• 51:51
  Yeah. I like that he's that she's
• 51:53
  trying to figure him out. I think that it's it it makes
• 51:55
  for a good scene to me. I like that that she is
• 51:59
  attempting to put some context outside of the legend of Paul's
• 52:04
  story. This is actually trying to
• 52:05
  ground Jason into a real character short scene, but I
• 52:09
  think it's really effective. I I like the scene a lot.
• 52:11
  Now the issue I have with it if I had one which which is she
• 52:16
  seems to kind of know too much. Missus Voorhees and.
• 52:20
  She he watched her mother beheaded that night.
• 52:25
  That should be a grown man by now.
• 52:28
  This kid never knew anybody but his mother.
• 52:32
  Does she know all of that? Clearly she does.
• 52:34
  She just said it. Yeah, I don't know that she
• 52:36
  should say it should know that well.
• 52:37
  She shouldn't say the R word either, but she did.
• 52:39
  Well, in 1981, I don't think it mattered.
• 52:42
  Yeah, she definitely seems to know a lot of things, but I
• 52:46
  don't think she knows why Mark's in a wheelchair.
• 52:50
  You know, as I'm watching your lips move and I'm waiting for
• 52:54
  you to finish your sentence. I just think this is where he's
• 52:57
  going. Yeah, this is it.
• 52:58
  This is the Segway. It's beautiful.
• 53:01
  It's a beautiful thing. Motorcycle.
• 53:03
  Yeah. Yep.
• 53:04
  It happens to the best of them. I don't like, I don't like
• 53:07
  talking about motorcycle accidents I've seen.
• 53:09
  Oh, that's right. My apologies.
• 53:12
  That's OK. It's in the movie with someone.
• 53:14
  That's it. But yeah, he gets to tell a
• 53:16
  story about where he is and she. It's not really a story, it's
• 53:20
  just that was it. It's like I will walk.
• 53:22
  One day and she has some questions, though, about how
• 53:25
  things operate. Yes.
• 53:27
  Now I wonder. This is an attempt to make Mark,
• 53:30
  I suppose, sympathetic. Obviously he's in a wheelchair
• 53:33
  and he's in training and he will walk again someday.
• 53:37
  He's. Got his training wheels on, do
• 53:38
  you? Do you feel like any, regardless
• 53:43
  of what's about to happen, but do you feel any sympathy for the
• 53:48
  character? You feel any engagement with
• 53:50
  this guy? Are you disappointed that he's
• 53:52
  probably not going to make it? He has a look to him.
• 53:57
  Yeah, Billy Crudup. Who?
• 53:58
  He's like a young Billy Crudup. Maybe.
• 53:59
  Yeah. His features are very prominent.
• 54:02
  I think he's a good looking guy. He has a sweetness to him.
• 54:06
  And like you're you're gonna kill this guy.
• 54:08
  I know you're gonna kill this guy.
• 54:09
  Yeah, it's doing that on purpose.
• 54:11
  Yeah, I think it's pretty successful, yeah.
• 54:13
  Because I would agree. His death is my favorite death,
• 54:17
  and we'll get to yours when it comes if you haven't already.
• 54:20
  But I I think it's the best kill.
• 54:22
  I think it's my favorite kind of moment.
• 54:24
  And in part it's because when I first saw this movie and ever
• 54:27
  since, I really like this guy. Like I find myself like I think
• 54:31
  he's a, you know, he's and part of it is probably just a little
• 54:33
  sympathy for his circumstance. But also, I think he's just a
• 54:36
  sweet guy, a good attitude. Yeah, he's very likable.
• 54:39
  Do I care that he dies? Not.
• 54:40
  Particularly. Yeah, that's fair.
• 54:42
  I don't like him that much. You're dead inside.
• 54:43
  Well. I just know what I'm watching.
• 54:46
  Sure, right? So there's no point in getting.
• 54:48
  But lots of people die and some people live.
• 54:50
  So that's the thing. Like is.
• 54:51
  It like do I want to risk? Though I wish he had saved I.
• 54:53
  Wish I put a wall up to all of them.
• 54:55
  I don't want to be hurt. I don't want to be hurt.
• 54:58
  What are your thoughts on her getting ready?
• 55:00
  Vicky here taking the control of the situation.
• 55:03
  Do you think that the new pair of panties she puts on are any
• 55:07
  better than the panties that she has?
• 55:08
  On, I'm not sure what's going on at this point.
• 55:10
  I don't I don't know why with that adjustment.
• 55:13
  Special panties. I guess these are sex panties,
• 55:16
  but they look no sexier. Nothing extraordinary than the
• 55:21
  one she has. On now what's going through my
• 55:23
  head at this point of the film. It's shitty.
• 55:27
  No, thank God, not me. That's for Mark in a moment here
• 55:30
  is there's always, not always because I haven't seen a lot of
• 55:33
  these movies, but what I've been exposed to so far is I feel that
• 55:38
  when there's couples involved romantically, you get a set of
• 55:43
  kills that is pre sex and then another set of kills.
• 55:47
  Post sex. Oh, interesting, I feel.
• 55:50
  Like this happened in the first one.
• 55:52
  Could be I'd have to really think about it, think about it
• 55:55
  that there was a definitely a bed scene.
• 55:57
  So yeah, well, certainly they finished.
• 55:58
  They finished and I assume two others were about to, but we'd
• 56:02
  have to. I definitely know Bacon.
• 56:03
  And what's her name? She did.
• 56:05
  They finished up. Yeah, he came to completion for
• 56:08
  sure. Now my question to you is which
• 56:11
  couple would you rather be? Well, obviously I would rather
• 56:14
  that's a ridiculous. Dumb question, eh?
• 56:17
  Yeah, you know, do I want to be in a wheelchair, not having sex
• 56:20
  or two, I want to have my legs and having sex with some nice
• 56:24
  boobs. Yeah, I suppose.
• 56:26
  And get the spear. Yeah, through the leg.
• 56:28
  It's clean. Yeah, so similar to the first
• 56:30
  one, we're getting piled up, piled up on kills.
• 56:33
  Yeah, we get 4-5 and six murders all happening basically at the
• 56:37
  same time. Marks my favorite.
• 56:38
  The machete in the face, down the stairs, it's fantastic.
• 56:42
  Yeah, it's showcase. It's showcase.
• 56:44
  It's a highlight. It's probably the best 1.
• 56:46
  I don't have a best one. I asked you specifically to come
• 56:49
  up with the best one, did you? Yeah.
• 56:50
  Well, this would have to be it then.
• 56:52
  OK. Yeah.
• 56:53
  Let's just I find them all not very imaginative, you know, You
• 56:56
  know, I don't enjoy it. But at least in Halloween, it
• 56:59
  was done well. You don't think that getting a
• 57:03
  machete to the face and falling down the stairs and in the
• 57:06
  wheelchair rolling down, that's not clever, That's not unique.
• 57:09
  It's interesting. Talk to me.
• 57:11
  Explain yourself. It's a little showy.
• 57:15
  It's just a little showy. You want something different,
• 57:18
  showy. Like a nice balance.
• 57:20
  Oh my gosh, I think from production value.
• 57:23
  OK. Halloween did it much better.
• 57:26
  OK. And that scene in the 1st Friday
• 57:29
  the 13th? Bacon getting a spirit through
• 57:31
  the neck. Yeah, and this movie doesn't
• 57:33
  have anything like that. This is this is it.
• 57:35
  This is the only thing. And it's just a wheelchair going
• 57:36
  down some stairs. I thought it was very effective,
• 57:39
  but OK. Well, all right, well, let's
• 57:41
  move and pivot there to Sondra and Jeff.
• 57:44
  They're finishing up. Yeah, that was That's a nothing
• 57:47
  burger. It's like I said, they cut out
• 57:49
  the middle part. Yeah, well, I get it now.
• 57:52
  But I mean still nonetheless. That the death part.
• 57:55
  Nonetheless, there it is. Yeah, does does the spear get
• 57:59
  both of them? I guess.
• 58:00
  Yeah, it goes through both of them.
• 58:01
  That's the best part. But I don't know.
• 58:04
  Yeah, it's one that I wanted. I wanted more blood and guts.
• 58:07
  I like the fact that it's sort of it's.
• 58:09
  It's 2 seconds. It's a quick stab.
• 58:11
  You're watching it hit the ground so you know it's sharp
• 58:13
  and you get the blood trickle. So I'm like, this establishes
• 58:16
  from a visual perspective something kind of eye-catching,
• 58:19
  but I wanted more blood and guts.
• 58:21
  There's no like visual. You don't see their face.
• 58:23
  You don't see. Anything.
• 58:24
  The scene originally lasted longer and she was visible, like
• 58:29
  she could see him and was trying to get Jeff kind of off her to
• 58:34
  kind of save her, but he was in such a state of bliss that
• 58:38
  didn't move. The longer version from my
• 58:40
  understanding is like really like scared and it just doesn't
• 58:44
  translate to this one. Do they not check ID?
• 58:49
  1981 These are all like independent movies.
• 58:51
  No, no budgets, not unionized, nothing.
• 58:54
  But Vicki's on the hunt. Now Vicki's wondering where Mark
• 58:56
  is. Yeah, she she wants to write
• 58:58
  them. Exactly.
• 58:59
  She goes to check on it and this is a scene I really like and it
• 59:02
  really kind of amps up the movie.
• 59:04
  What? Vicki coming in and seeing the
• 59:06
  bloody sheets and then Jason popping up out of it.
• 59:11
  Oh, that's fine. I love that.
• 59:12
  That's such a great jump scare to me.
• 59:14
  And you finally, the first time you really get to see Jason at
• 59:17
  all and we see this burlap sack choice that's made.
• 59:22
  I thought from a visual, I thought this is really a jarring
• 59:25
  kind of moment. I got to jump.
• 59:26
  You didn't feel anything. You didn't notice that you
• 59:28
  expected. It I was thinking about Al
• 59:29
  Pacino in the back of a car. He had a bag over his head.
• 59:34
  Insider. It's, you know, that joke where
• 59:39
  someone's standing on the middle of the road and there's a
• 59:42
  vehicle coming and he's, like, is about to get run over?
• 59:45
  Yeah. And then you look and see the
• 59:46
  vehicles, like, a mile away. Sure.
• 59:49
  That's how I felt about Vicki's death.
• 59:51
  OK, took too long. He's over on the bed.
• 59:54
  Yeah, yeah, she's in the corner. He's coming towards her at a
• 59:57
  pretty slow speed and she just stands there, doesn't try to
• 1:00:01
  just. I don't know.
• 1:00:02
  Walk out the door. Yeah.
• 1:00:04
  Which reminds me of the bathroom kill.
• 1:00:06
  Yeah, in Friday the 13th. It's the weakest kill.
• 1:00:08
  It's nothing. She stands there, looks at him.
• 1:00:11
  Yeah, and just takes it like a champ.
• 1:00:13
  Yeah, pure terror I think is what that.
• 1:00:15
  Is yeah I guess, but I'm I'm trying to exit.
• 1:00:18
  Yeah, that's fair. What I like about it is the
• 1:00:21
  iconography of it that visual. What?
• 1:00:23
  The iconography. Oh.
• 1:00:25
  The visual of the hand holding the knife and the thumb and the
• 1:00:31
  bruise on the thumb. For some reason when I think of
• 1:00:34
  Friday the 13th, there's a couple of iconic kind of moments
• 1:00:38
  or bizarre scenes or shots or whatever else.
• 1:00:41
  The cop getting the hammer in the back of the head, in the
• 1:00:43
  face that he makes, and then just this bruised thumb
• 1:00:46
  approaching this woman terrified.
• 1:00:48
  I really like this scene generally, although I agree,
• 1:00:51
  takes too long, slow pace, you should be doing more.
• 1:00:54
  But damn, that thumb looks really exciting.
• 1:00:57
  I love it, the thumb because I was a young kid watching it,
• 1:01:00
  thinking what is up with this thumb?
• 1:01:02
  I'd never had a bruised thumbnail before, so there's
• 1:01:05
  like this black mark on the thumb and I just could not
• 1:01:09
  understand why and I just thought that's evil.
• 1:01:12
  He just hurt his thumb at some point.
• 1:01:14
  Didn't know that when I was 12. Clearly I didn't even notice the
• 1:01:17
  thumb. Yeah, see.
• 1:01:18
  Yeah, your attention to detail someone mentioned once.
• 1:01:22
  Yeah, I missed the thumb scene. Yeah, because.
• 1:01:25
  That's why I didn't really enjoy the movie.
• 1:01:26
  I didn't see the thumb. Another fun moment is right
• 1:01:30
  after this. Basically, Vicky is dead.
• 1:01:32
  It's fun and we watched the feet get dragged on the stairs.
• 1:01:36
  It's a it's a shot that I love. I missed that.
• 1:01:39
  Oh, it's so good, really. Yeah, I didn't see any feet
• 1:01:41
  getting dragged. I believe you.
• 1:01:43
  I. Guess it's fantastic.
• 1:01:44
  I was just surprised that they're smoking better dope than
• 1:01:46
  Paul. That was shocking to me.
• 1:01:49
  Shocking. And that pretty much just leaves
• 1:01:51
  Jenny and Paul. Yeah, they kind of go back to
• 1:01:54
  the camp and something is amiss. Something's amiss.
• 1:01:56
  Lights are out, things are unplugged.
• 1:01:58
  There's clearly somebody in the room.
• 1:02:00
  That's right. That's what Jenny's got.
• 1:02:02
  She got she got a sixth sense about this.
• 1:02:04
  I didn't see anybody. Well, she called it and it.
• 1:02:07
  Happened, she did, and now we have to activate bad aim.
• 1:02:12
  Jason just completely misses. Yeah, well, he ends up killing
• 1:02:15
  Paul or working Paul really good.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah, but the initial stabbing, he just completely misses.
• 1:02:20
  It's not, it's not like missed opportunity.
• 1:02:22
  It's not like Paul dodged it. That's true.
• 1:02:24
  Just missed it. It's a clean miss.
• 1:02:26
  Yeah, it's dark. It's irritating.
• 1:02:27
  Those are the Buffalo Bills. The.
• 1:02:29
  Night vision. We're in the last 20 now, so
• 1:02:39
  you're getting into sort of a bit of a chase sequence.
• 1:02:41
  Yeah, Paul got mauled, maybe dead.
• 1:02:44
  I I didn't think he was. OK, you're ahead.
• 1:02:46
  Of the I've been around. Yeah, I've seen some things.
• 1:02:49
  Card won't start, of course, right.
• 1:02:51
  We already established earlier the car is finicky.
• 1:02:54
  We have Ginny sort of running down the road.
• 1:02:56
  Yeah. And we have a missed tackle by
• 1:03:00
  Jason. That's right.
• 1:03:01
  He must have been hungover. At the strip club.
• 1:03:06
  And then she finds herself in another cabin.
• 1:03:09
  Is that correct? That's correct, yeah.
• 1:03:11
  Are you scared of mice? No, I think in my house I would
• 1:03:15
  probably find them unpleasant. Yeah, but I've been around rats
• 1:03:19
  even. They're not my favorite thing in
• 1:03:20
  the world. I want to interact with them but
• 1:03:22
  I don't know if I'm scared of them.
• 1:03:23
  Does she pee herself? I think she does.
• 1:03:26
  At first I thought it was because of the mouse.
• 1:03:28
  Yeah, I'm thinking come on. But it might have been just
• 1:03:30
  because there's a a lot of killer.
• 1:03:34
  That all her friends and colleagues are dead.
• 1:03:36
  And she's been chased and he's right there.
• 1:03:39
  Yeah. I have a problem with the camera
• 1:03:40
  shot here. We see her underneath the bed.
• 1:03:43
  Yeah. Maybe it's just the angle of the
• 1:03:44
  camera. I would think he would see her
• 1:03:46
  too. Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
• 1:03:48
  That's fair. I'm not here to nitpick.
• 1:03:50
  No, no, I I put that at the very respectful.
• 1:03:52
  I leave that at the door for these movies.
• 1:03:54
  At least I I try to. Yeah, but he kind of goes.
• 1:03:57
  Away. Like, yeah, strangely decides to
• 1:03:59
  go outside, smoke break, I guess.
• 1:04:01
  I don't know, But she ends up kind of getting here.
• 1:04:04
  He discovers her or whatever the case, so she runs out again.
• 1:04:07
  Yeah, they're more running this time to the forest where she
• 1:04:10
  happens upon the shed. The shed where we know is where
• 1:04:14
  the chainsaw is kept. That's right, because that was
• 1:04:16
  foreshadowed. Yeah.
• 1:04:18
  And we have arguably the best shot of the movie, and you're
• 1:04:23
  going to be really impressed by this.
• 1:04:24
  Tell me. She runs in and then there's a
• 1:04:28
  window and then we see Jason through the window running and
• 1:04:33
  she hasn't seen him yet. It's fantastic.
• 1:04:35
  She sees, she sees him pretty quickly afterwards.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah, but there's a couple seconds.
• 1:04:40
  There's a couple seconds where I thought that's it's a great shot
• 1:04:43
  Halloween. Like that's the quality of the
• 1:04:45
  original Halloween movie. Nice work.
• 1:04:47
  And that was impressive. Yeah, there's a brief moment,
• 1:04:49
  but I I wanted you to. Know that I recognized it.
• 1:04:51
  I respect that and. I'm good scene I'm.
• 1:04:53
  Impressed. Sorry you did.
• 1:04:55
  Not a scene, but a moment. Great shot.
• 1:04:56
  At the very least, a glimpse. Would you say?
• 1:05:00
  That's right. Now, you mentioned the chainsaw
• 1:05:02
  that was actually found before the shed, of course, because
• 1:05:05
  it's in a cabin, not with Jason itself.
• 1:05:07
  Oh yes, my apologies, I got. So excited.
• 1:05:10
  What I found interesting about that.
• 1:05:11
  I don't know if you ever thought about this, but there's a moment
• 1:05:14
  where she grabs it and goes after him.
• 1:05:18
  Yeah. And there's a moment of fear in
• 1:05:20
  Jason. You can watch him.
• 1:05:22
  He stumbles backwards. He throws his hands up as if to
• 1:05:25
  say, you know, no, no, no, no. It is the only time that I can
• 1:05:29
  think of, OK, in this entire film series.
• 1:05:32
  And it happens obviously very early here, where there is any
• 1:05:35
  fear at all in the villain. Interesting.
• 1:05:38
  Now, what are your thoughts, just conceptually, generally,
• 1:05:42
  about that idea? Don't you want a vulnerable
• 1:05:45
  villain or not? I'm on the fence.
• 1:05:46
  I've thought about this. I'm not talking about sleepless
• 1:05:50
  nights. Thinking about it, I'm not at
• 1:05:51
  that level. But I often wonder, is the movie
• 1:05:54
  better when they don't show any of that?
• 1:05:57
  Or would it be better if they did?
• 1:06:00
  I don't have an answer for you. I don't have a big.
• 1:06:02
  I don't have a big enough sample size.
• 1:06:04
  It's fair. I know there's certain things in
• 1:06:06
  Halloween that I didn't like, especially in Yeah, a lot of it
• 1:06:10
  was Part 6. I didn't really notice it
• 1:06:12
  though. OK.
• 1:06:13
  I was more confused to how the chainsaw turned into a chair.
• 1:06:17
  Yeah. Sure, that's a downgrade.
• 1:06:19
  It is a downgrade, absolutely. Did it run out of, I think gas?
• 1:06:22
  I don't know. It's not clear.
• 1:06:24
  No. And that's bad film making.
• 1:06:25
  Absolutely. Certainly as it as it gets to
• 1:06:27
  wrap up here, there's a couple of those types of things.
• 1:06:29
  Yeah. Just go with it.
• 1:06:30
  Yeah, it's not. Super tight, no.
• 1:06:33
  Yeah, we have. The shed is where it all
• 1:06:35
  happens. You know, to quote Hamilton,
• 1:06:37
  it's the room where it happens. Sure.
• 1:06:39
  And you're a shed guy. I have a shed guy.
• 1:06:41
  I got a lovely one right here. But while she's at the shed, we
• 1:06:44
  see Mom's head. Yes, and a sweater.
• 1:06:48
  It's kind of got the shrine set up.
• 1:06:51
  And she is a quick thinker. She's a child psychologist.
• 1:06:53
  She kind of puts it together very quickly before Jason comes
• 1:06:56
  in. Yeah, I'm going to put on the
• 1:06:58
  sweater and I'm gonna basically pretend to be Mom.
• 1:07:01
  That's quick thinking. I respect it.
• 1:07:03
  I don't know if it would work, but I like the idea.
• 1:07:06
  I think that was the whole point of her at the bar scene, to
• 1:07:09
  allow this to make sense. Sure, the mom is the thing.
• 1:07:12
  Yeah, key to the whole thing. So there's again, there's
• 1:07:15
  effort. The Rosetta Stone to ties
• 1:07:16
  together. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:07:18
  Totally fair. I think it's a little
• 1:07:20
  implausible, but I definitely kind of.
• 1:07:21
  Oh yeah, Heavens yes, Yeah. Like it doesn't make a lot.
• 1:07:23
  Of sense, not a million years. But I really kind of respect
• 1:07:25
  that at least tries to make sense.
• 1:07:27
  And in the context of the movie, it does make sense.
• 1:07:29
  Yeah, I agree. I I was on board with it, to be
• 1:07:31
  honest with you. Yeah, yeah, too.
• 1:07:33
  Maybe it was the sweater, I don't know.
• 1:07:35
  You like a sweater? He did remind me of Steve Martin
• 1:07:37
  in Little Shop though. Really loves his mom.
• 1:07:40
  Oh, Mama. That is great.
• 1:07:44
  The mask comes off Paul's back. Don't forget Paul's.
• 1:07:47
  Back, that's true. And then we have a slow motion
• 1:07:49
  while Paul's tussling with him again.
• 1:07:51
  Yes, this time she does something.
• 1:07:53
  Yes, before she just watched. Yes, yes.
• 1:07:55
  Him get mauled in the house earlier which was awkward.
• 1:07:58
  Saves the day. And machetes them in the eye.
• 1:08:02
  It's not shoulder. Basically.
• 1:08:03
  Yeah, but it's not clear initially where.
• 1:08:05
  Yes, we get the impression he's dead, but let's not confirm.
• 1:08:10
  And they removed the bag. Yes, but we don't.
• 1:08:13
  See it? No exactly, gotta keep it under
• 1:08:14
  wraps, which I'm with. It.
• 1:08:16
  Yeah, yeah. It's like Norm's wife and
• 1:08:19
  Cheers. That's right.
• 1:08:20
  That's what you don't see. That matters, right?
• 1:08:21
  Exactly. Now, at this point, though, we
• 1:08:23
  do establish that Muffin is still alive.
• 1:08:26
  That's bullshit. It's such bullshit.
• 1:08:27
  That's bullshit. That's bullshit.
• 1:08:29
  I hate that. Yeah and the music, the shift is
• 1:08:32
  Yeah, it's weird to different. Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  I don't know, I. Don't love it, but we do get in
• 1:08:37
  classic Friday the 13th tradition.
• 1:08:39
  Yeah, well, yeah, this makes sense.
• 1:08:40
  Yeah, the. Big jump scare.
• 1:08:41
  Yeah, Jason now comes through a window and he looks like a.
• 1:08:45
  Deformed. Yeah, she called it.
• 1:08:50
  She called it. That means.
• 1:08:57
  It's a lot different than what we last saw.
• 1:08:59
  Yeah. What do you think about them
• 1:09:02
  revealing the face though? I think it's fantastic.
• 1:09:05
  Yeah, Yeah. I like the fact that this, while
• 1:09:09
  Michael Myers approach, it seemed was always don't show the
• 1:09:12
  face. I enjoy the fact that they're
• 1:09:15
  sort of open to it because what I like is, as you know, I'm an
• 1:09:19
  effects guy. Makeup Effects.
• 1:09:21
  Visual Effects. Yeah, special effects, whatever.
• 1:09:23
  Appreciate his deformity. So to me, it's like, show me a
• 1:09:25
  cool makeup design or a creature design, A character design, and
• 1:09:29
  I'm in. So I like the fact that it's not
• 1:09:31
  just a bag, which I is fine on its own, but I like that you
• 1:09:35
  finally get the reveal of like, oh, this guy is fucking gross or
• 1:09:39
  whatever, you know, kind of comes down.
• 1:09:40
  So I enjoy it a lot. It looks like a guy that's been
• 1:09:43
  living in the forest. Yeah, no, it's, it's a good
• 1:09:45
  look. It's a good look, Goonies.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah, yeah, too. That's a good sloth, You're
• 1:09:50
  right. I'm a little disappointed though
• 1:09:53
  I kind of like the you. Know I like the.
• 1:09:55
  I like the Norm's wife of it all, or Niall's wife, you know.
• 1:09:58
  And if I do, I want to at least wait till the 5th or 6th
• 1:10:00
  installment. Yeah, you want to earn it.
• 1:10:03
  I want to earn it. I want to earn it.
• 1:10:04
  Now. We kind of come out of what
• 1:10:07
  could be, I suppose, construed as a dream sequence.
• 1:10:10
  This is where the movie, I think, just doesn't make any
• 1:10:11
  sense to me. So we've established the dog is
• 1:10:14
  still alive, despite having kind of proven twice that it was
• 1:10:17
  dead. We have Paul come back and live
• 1:10:21
  and even at that point he goes out to grab the dog and that's
• 1:10:25
  when Jason comes through the window.
• 1:10:26
  Yeah, we don't know what happened to Paul after that and
• 1:10:28
  then out of the. Blue, she's going into an
• 1:10:30
  ambulance and she's saying where's Paul?
• 1:10:31
  Where's Paul? Where's Paul?
• 1:10:33
  Jenny's in an ambulance. With the dog.
• 1:10:35
  What just happened? Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:10:38
  I'll tell you what I do know. They're doing the same thing.
• 1:10:40
  They did the last one. Sure.
• 1:10:42
  Did it happen? Did it?
• 1:10:43
  Not did it not happen? That's what they're doing.
• 1:10:45
  This is a complete duplicate. That's of the original.
• 1:10:47
  Yeah, this doesn't help. It's 'cause.
• 1:10:49
  It makes less sense than the first one.
• 1:10:51
  I'm assuming they explained in the next one, but I'm getting
• 1:10:55
  the impression that they don't. Based on the fact that you've
• 1:10:57
  seen them all. That's disappointing.
• 1:11:00
  Well, we don't know. I'm not spoiling anything, but
• 1:11:03
  what are your thoughts on the final shot?
• 1:11:06
  What else are you gonna do? A slow push in on the.
• 1:11:07
  Yeah. You put it on the mom's head.
• 1:11:09
  Yeah, that's what you do. That's the right choice.
• 1:11:11
  That's the only choice. It's the only choice, I suppose.
• 1:11:13
  Yeah. What if I was to tell you that
• 1:11:15
  it was originally supposed to end with the eyes opening?
• 1:11:19
  That's stupid. Yeah, that's why they changed.
• 1:11:21
  Yeah, I would hope so. That's why if you look as it's
• 1:11:24
  pushing in, you can see that it's like a human head as
• 1:11:26
  opposed to, yeah, just a prosthetic or whatever.
• 1:11:29
  And it basically just like seconds before the eyes open in
• 1:11:33
  real life they just cut it so it.
• 1:11:34
  Looks a little off. See, that should be illegal.
• 1:11:37
  Yeah, definitely cut that out. Yeah, so they made the right
• 1:11:39
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• 1:11:42
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