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Episode 280: This Mortal Coil (SG-A 4.10) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Speaker 1: Get into Gate episode two hundred and eighty, two hundred
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Speaker 1: and eight talking some Stargate Atlantis Mitch and Maddie here,
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Speaker 1: what's up? What's up? And dude, it makes no difference
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Speaker 1: in an audio front. But you know when we're when
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Speaker 1: we're doing this on video, we're usually in the stud.
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Speaker 1: But we're not today because you know, we've been bumped, yes,
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Speaker 1: for some other podcasting and you know they're important people
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Speaker 1: and they have important guests. We've been bumped to a
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Speaker 1: camera free zone. And really it's just because I haven't
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Speaker 1: had a haircut in a couple of months, Maddie, and
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Speaker 1: I'm just looking unkept.
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Speaker 2: I need a haircut too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just digging into my bag here because ironically,
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Speaker 3: I did have some visual gags for this episode.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, Okay, we're not usually a props sort of podcast,
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Speaker 1: but no, that's not true. We often do bring in toys.
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Speaker 1: What are you digging around for in there? I like
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Speaker 1: it because of where we Brendon was here. This has
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Speaker 1: already be at the wall. It's a it's an Elizabeth.
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Speaker 1: We are the old school, like proper like six inch figurines, right,
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Speaker 1: so you.
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Speaker 2: You judge that a six inches that's interesting.
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Speaker 1: More like ten with that mean what it is, because
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Speaker 1: like they don't make these toys anymore, like whe where
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Speaker 1: they're big, right though they come out with you know,
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Speaker 1: like Superhero Action figures. It's gonna give you a two
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Speaker 1: inch one. I'm like, who's that for?
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Speaker 2: Hey, two inches is more than enough?
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Speaker 1: Up? Yeah, well yeah, we'll get into Liz. Well, let's
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Speaker 1: just get straight into the old synopster talking. Episode number
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Speaker 1: ten of season four of Starget and lend Us this
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Speaker 1: mortal coil. Convinced that the Replicators have finally found their location,
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Speaker 1: the team grapples with the prospect that their problems may
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Speaker 1: very well be insurmountable. Directed by William Wharing. I haven't
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Speaker 1: got who It's written by?
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Speaker 2: Written by Martin Guira No written by John Paul, Oh,
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Speaker 2: Joe and Paul, John.
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Speaker 1: Paul, Joe and Paul.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of two inches, Okay, so you've got and Elizabeth
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Speaker 1: we are mini mate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the one that I custom made, that's custom made
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Speaker 3: by me by Barmie.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. Yeah, Okay, well yeah, I mean we
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Speaker 1: don't have We've got two of everybody else, but we
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Speaker 1: haven't got to Elizabeth. For a very good reason. She
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Speaker 1: did well, I mean, yeah, so we so we here
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Speaker 1: and you know you can't trust replicators. No, oh you can't.
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Speaker 1: And I guess that was the point. It was weird
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Speaker 1: watching this, right that, what do you think that's true?
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Speaker 1: If I'm going to start talking about my own opinion,
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Speaker 1: I should probably have my opener that requests my opinion.
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Speaker 1: I was sort of caught off guard a little bit
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Speaker 1: because obviously, I mean, so they are as well, and
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Speaker 1: then you it's like there's it's almost like three episodes
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Speaker 1: in one, like you know at the start where it's
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Speaker 1: you know, something's wrong, and then you realize you're coming
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Speaker 1: into the story, you know, after this big setup that
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Speaker 1: was you know of off camera, kind of like SG
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Speaker 1: one did when they found out they've been you know
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Speaker 1: what have they been doubled through double jepety and yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, actually, well, sure we're the
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Speaker 1: bad guys, but where the where the good part group
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Speaker 1: of the bad guys that we're actually being hunted and
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Speaker 1: this is why we've done. Okay, they're done, they're moving on.
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Speaker 1: And then it's like, okay, we'll now we're going to
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Speaker 1: reach out and it's going to be that part of
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Speaker 1: SG one where it's like, Okay, we get that you
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Speaker 1: guys are our copies, but we still we feel like
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Speaker 1: we can't trust you. And what we get a lot
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Speaker 1: of in this as well is seeing it from the
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Speaker 1: CoP's point of view, because that's who we started the
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Speaker 1: episode with. So when we're you know, listening especially to
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Speaker 1: Ron and going I am me and Taylor going well,
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Speaker 1: I mean you're not though you're not him and I'm
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Speaker 1: not her, and he's like, yeah, we are. Why would
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Speaker 1: you discuss this? Like why do we even bring this up?
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Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, this would be heartbreaking for these guys,
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Speaker 1: and we've seen stuff like this and you know movie
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Speaker 1: and TV before where you know, cloning situation or something
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Speaker 1: like that. My first thought for some reason was like
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Speaker 1: Multiplicity of All Things, which was a comedy about cloning
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Speaker 1: and cloning, cloning and of Michael Keaton. By the end,
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Speaker 1: you've got these three guys that thought, or at least
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Speaker 1: two of them except the fourth one, and they just
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Speaker 1: have to go and live their own life somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but they've got all the memories of
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Speaker 1: having a family and living and young and cloning, right,
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Speaker 1: all this sort of shit and it's like this is
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Speaker 1: sort of you know, heartbreaking, which then you know, you
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Speaker 1: get to the end of the episode, it's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: they're gonna go and help you, and it just sort
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Speaker 1: of seems to like, oh, we've forgotten about the copies already,
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Speaker 1: we started with them, we went through this big journey,
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Speaker 1: and then the episode ends and it just was a
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Speaker 1: it was a lot going on, and I probably did
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Speaker 1: myself a bit of a disservice because I probably watched, like,
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Speaker 1: oh and I watched it was like thirty one thirty
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Speaker 1: two minutes into it. I think it was just after
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Speaker 1: the real SGA team come on board. They had their
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Speaker 1: little meeting in the hut, and you know, Rodney's almost
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Speaker 1: like jerking it at the idea of working with himself,
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Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the time code and I'm thinking,
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Speaker 1: it's thirty two and a half minutes into this episode.
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Speaker 1: Where how are we possibly this should be like eight
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Speaker 1: minutes in, twelve minutes in? How are we possibly going
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Speaker 1: to wrap this up in a way that feels like
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Speaker 1: it shouldn't have been a two parter. So, yeah, it was.
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Speaker 1: It felt like it was going to be just like
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Speaker 1: an SGA version of when SG one did this, and
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Speaker 1: maybe it was, but only for a part and then
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Speaker 1: it became its its own thing. There was just a
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Speaker 1: lot going on in this episode.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I dug it, but I love obviously having Tory back,
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Speaker 3: I love, but yeah, I feel like that was the
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Speaker 3: weakest part of the episode.
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Speaker 2: Was just it is, oh and they all died like that.
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Speaker 3: Inn't all have to go in the jump, Like I
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Speaker 3: understand from a narrative point of view, like they they're
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Speaker 3: trying to prove themselves that they are the real Atlantis
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Speaker 3: team and all that kind of stuff, so they're like, well,
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Speaker 3: we're going to do this and all. But it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: they all on boarded the jumper to be the diversion.
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Speaker 2: They didn't all have to do with that.
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Speaker 3: I think it would have been a cool way to
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Speaker 3: bring Tory back, like bring we are back. It's like,
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Speaker 3: imagine if the rest of the team died and Tory
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Speaker 3: was the only one that's vived and now she's just
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Speaker 3: a full replicator. Although it was a very weird explanation
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Speaker 3: of what they said. They were Oh, you were saying
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Speaker 3: that we are all so replicators.
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Speaker 4: No, you are flesh and blood, ordinary humans in every
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Speaker 4: way except that you were manufactured from the inside out
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Speaker 4: by nanates, some of which remain in your system, affecting
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Speaker 4: repairs as necessary. I'm not buying it all that you are,
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Speaker 4: your thoughts, your memories, everything was taken from the real
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Speaker 4: John Shepherd and his team when their minds were probbed
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Speaker 4: over a year ago.
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Speaker 1: Right. So, so they're flesh and blood, yes, create by machines, created.
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Speaker 3: By machines, but then they still have nanins in them
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Speaker 3: that give them that advanced healing and stuff.
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Speaker 1: Like like old mate wished for last week, like what
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Speaker 1: we were trying to get last week with the with
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Speaker 1: the billionaires daughter or whatever. Yeah, except they've obviously perfected
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Speaker 1: it because they are what those things are. M hmm.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was.
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Speaker 3: I went a little confused because obviously, like Brennan and
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Speaker 3: I had that conversation when we were first introduced to
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Speaker 3: these versions of replicators that it feels to me like
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Speaker 3: now they've kind of been retcons to just be the
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Speaker 3: same as human form of replicators from Earth. Yeah, and
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Speaker 3: we have seen them now when they get shot, they
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Speaker 3: go liquid metal terminator and stuff like that. But I
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Speaker 3: remember playing the audio of when Niam first introduced them
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Speaker 3: that It's like they were supposed to be organic replicators,
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Speaker 3: you know, they were different to the Milky Way replicators,
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Speaker 3: but also they could yeah, they could assimilate organic material
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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So yeah, I'm still a little
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Speaker 3: unclear onto what the difference is, but okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what I again been the first time,
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Speaker 1: I just watching through thinking that I knew exactly what
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Speaker 1: that was. And then I mean, you get that obviously
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Speaker 1: explanation early on, but I still felt like that was me, like,
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Speaker 1: oh no, I'm not buying this. You know, it's sort
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Speaker 1: of it's a replicator lies because you know when you
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Speaker 1: see Keller and then the other starting to act a
8:22
Speaker 1: little bit more, you know, sinister about it. And and
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Speaker 1: also it's like, well, why only though, is it because
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Speaker 1: they're the only ones I've got I guess probed, I suppose,
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Speaker 1: but it just felt like it was them on a mission,
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Speaker 1: very much like st want I think of my own head.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, what's the same thing. They're locked away
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Speaker 1: in another world somewhere, and that's that's the only reason
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Speaker 1: it's these four. It it's like, well, no, you've been probe,
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Speaker 1: but we've got this own other setup and oh, by
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Speaker 1: the way, now we're not we are them, but we're
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Speaker 1: not them, and we've got our own thing going on,
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Speaker 1: and you just happen to be almost pawns in the
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Speaker 1: middle of it. And it's just it was just a
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Speaker 1: lot of being thrown out that was then quickly it
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Speaker 1: was like every you know, we've got a three act structure,
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Speaker 1: and every act was its own an episode that had
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Speaker 1: to you know, like we're watching Keller, They're like, come
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Speaker 1: with us. She's like, no, my place is here dead, Okay,
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Speaker 1: move on to the next part of the story.
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Speaker 2: It was just good. I always had that.
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Speaker 3: I hate that sort of like the resigned to your
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Speaker 3: fate kind of thing. Same as and I hate to
9:13
Speaker 3: bring it up Rogue one when like Saul Guerreros is like, nah,
9:16
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stay hearing it blown up. I'm just like
9:19
Speaker 3: why just.
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Speaker 1: Goes down with his shit, just walk mate. Did you
9:22
Speaker 1: ever see the movie The Perfect Storm with George Clooney
9:25
Speaker 1: Mark Ahlberg. Yeah, I mean it was based on a
9:27
Speaker 1: true story, but you know, spoilers are and you know
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Speaker 1: it's called The Perfect Storm. It's like three like a
9:33
Speaker 1: hurricane and then something else. These three major weather events
9:36
Speaker 1: all clashing to create the perfect storm, and these probad
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Speaker 1: fishermen just out there getting stuck in the middle of it.
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Speaker 1: And then the ship does go down and as it's
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Speaker 1: sinking in a Mark Wahlberg I think gets out and
9:48
Speaker 1: turns around and George Clooney still stuck there, like he's free,
9:51
Speaker 1: he's able to get out, but then he just sort
9:54
Speaker 1: of got like nah and just like almost back into
9:57
Speaker 1: the boat a little bit and just sort of days
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Speaker 1: there to sink. I don't think his leg was quarter
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Speaker 1: or any Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I hate that, like it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that as a thirteen year old, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough to understand. I'm turning to someone
10:08
Speaker 1: what the hell, and They're like a captain goes down
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Speaker 1: with his ship. But I'm like, bullshit, shit, get out
10:13
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. Tell me if you're drowning, like and
10:17
Speaker 1: your body is made to survive. At its core, your
10:20
Speaker 1: body is a selfish piece of organic machinery that is
10:24
Speaker 1: made to survive. Your lungs, you're desperate for oxygen, your
10:27
Speaker 1: eyes are about to explode, all that sort of shit.
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Speaker 1: You don't think the body's gonna be like that.
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Speaker 3: Let's swim up, bro, Tell that's Napoleon or Captain Bly,
10:34
Speaker 3: they're got the I think the premise of a captain
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Speaker 3: goes down with the ship is supposed to be the
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Speaker 3: captain is the last one. Yes, the captain makes sure
10:42
Speaker 3: everybody else gets out first and make sure everyone gets
10:46
Speaker 3: to safety. But yeah, in a situation like the one
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Speaker 3: you just described, it's like where he could and.
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Speaker 2: Just chooses not to. It's like, nah, man, and look,
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Speaker 2: that's not how that worked.
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Speaker 1: That movie come out like two thousand and maybe I'm
10:55
Speaker 1: completely remembering it wrong, and it has literally been a
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Speaker 1: quarter of a century since I've watched it. But this episode,
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Speaker 1: especially like she is what she is? She is replicator?
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Speaker 1: Like she does she really?
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Speaker 3: Yeah that mention Replickeller, Yes, replicator and Replickella a k
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Speaker 3: last name really helps, A case sounding name really helps.
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Speaker 1: Order for one? Thank you? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah you. I wonder how many Kellers you would order?
11:20
Speaker 2: Just how many? How many you could have.
11:23
Speaker 1: I'm a simple man, You're a lazy I am.
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Speaker 3: We do get the closure that I kind of threw
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Speaker 3: your way a couple of episodes ago with Sea and
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Speaker 3: how not the actor not the singer. How the one
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Speaker 3: thing that the old mate foresaw that didn't come true
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Speaker 3: was the destruction of Atlantis.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what he saw.
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Speaker 3: So it's they re used that for well know, they
11:48
Speaker 3: shot the footage for this and they inserted it into sea.
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Speaker 3: So when he saw the Replicator ship coming and destroying
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Speaker 3: Atlantas and stuff like that, it was this that this
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Speaker 3: version of Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: Which in hindsight supports my question a little bit more
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Speaker 1: where I'm like, can he like he's not sitting there
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Speaker 1: like you know, old mate from thor Idris Elba, like
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Speaker 1: where he can see all things at all times. This
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Speaker 1: guy surely has got some type of like cognitive limits
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Speaker 1: where he can see the future of those that he's around, right,
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Speaker 1: if he's on his planet, and maybe he can see
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Speaker 1: things happening to his planet. And then if it's got
12:21
Speaker 1: to do with you know, John and the rest of
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Speaker 1: the SGA team coming in, and he can see their
12:26
Speaker 1: futures because they are near enough to him around him,
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Speaker 1: that's that's how he can kind of he's got a limit,
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Speaker 1: you know, Professor X. He can only say whatever, this
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Speaker 1: happening to a replicator version of the SGA team made
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Speaker 1: from memories from a year ago, and it's happening not
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Speaker 1: on our Atlantis, but another place, like up until the
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Speaker 1: moment they get a phone call through the gate, this
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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the one that had ever
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Speaker 1: come across the sea or our guy, So does he
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Speaker 1: see all things at all times?
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I feel like it would have made a little more
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Speaker 3: sense if our team were also on that Atlantis, like
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Speaker 3: we met them instead of meeting at the camp site,
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Speaker 3: our team met the cloned versions on that Atlantis or
13:19
Speaker 3: something like that, and then it was both teams escaped
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Speaker 3: or something like that. You know, might have Yeah, might
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Speaker 3: have I think put a little more validity to that.
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Speaker 3: But we'll get to it next week. But basically what
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Speaker 3: they said in the audio commentary for next week's episode
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Speaker 3: is that these first ten episodes they are trying something
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Speaker 3: new this season. Is every single episode, like of the
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Speaker 3: first ten episodes, Yeah, is set up for the payoff
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Speaker 3: in episode eleven.
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Speaker 1: So it's just a setup.
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Speaker 3: Well, this technically is the mid season finally episode ten,
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Speaker 3: this was where the break was. So the end of
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Speaker 3: this episode was the mid season break before episode eleven.
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Speaker 1: And so next week we get like, that's the payoff
13:58
Speaker 1: is next week. From everything we've seen.
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Speaker 3: So rather than just paying off this episode, it's supposed
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Speaker 3: to pay off all ten, so they the way montin
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Speaker 3: Giro described it is, Yeah, all ten episodes were set up,
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Speaker 3: so that episode eleven is all payoff, right, there's no setup,
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Speaker 3: it's all payoff.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, is the way he kind of described it.
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Speaker 2: So I think in a way, yeah, maybe.
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Speaker 3: Because they were trying something new and doing so much planning. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: little things like that I think fell through the cracks
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Speaker 3: in terms of, yeah, what the seer could actually see
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Speaker 3: in regards to whether it directly affects him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, or is it a frequency thing Like
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Speaker 1: he comes across our SGA team they're from Atlantis, and
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Speaker 1: then he just picks up some type of like wavelength,
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Speaker 1: you know, prediction of the future of an Atlantis the guess.
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Speaker 1: Whereas if he didn't meet them, he wouldn't see that
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Speaker 1: future even though it wasn't there.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I would like some kind of because
14:49
Speaker 3: it's an also too, like it was Carter he gave
14:52
Speaker 3: that vision to. I'm pretty sure he gave her the
14:54
Speaker 3: vision of Atlantis exploding. I think whereas Carter was in
14:59
Speaker 3: this episode, which was annoying, I'll talk about that next
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Speaker 3: week why. I found out some information about why. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: I think if she's given this, if he given that
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Speaker 3: vision to John, maybe knowing that the John in this
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Speaker 3: one is a cloned copy with memories of the John
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Speaker 3: that he met, you know, you could tediously link that.
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Speaker 3: But the fact that he gave that vision to I
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Speaker 3: believe Carter, yeah, when she wasn't even in this episode
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Speaker 3: makes it a little bit harder a stretch.
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Speaker 1: And I must have like blinked away, like even obviously
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Speaker 1: it was very much replicated as attacking and Atlanta's I'm
15:35
Speaker 1: not I'm not smart enough to get oh is that
15:38
Speaker 1: the thing is in my head? When you're like, we'll
15:41
Speaker 1: see if that doesn't come true, like clearly it doesn't
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Speaker 1: the season finally, like that's like we're less than halfway
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Speaker 1: through the season. Obviously this will be the end of
15:48
Speaker 1: the year.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's nice now.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, so the the probe that crashed through Atlantis
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Speaker 3: was Oberoth watching whatever they were doing, and then obviously
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Speaker 3: the lawn and the Keller destroyed that so that the
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Speaker 3: other guy, like the clones wouldn't yeah realize, and also
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Speaker 3: destroyed it so that he, you know, Obroth couldn't be
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Speaker 3: watching them and stuff like that. So it is, it
16:13
Speaker 3: is weird to think that there's there's three separate groups
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Speaker 3: outside of our Atlantis group yea, the actual replicators. There's
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Speaker 3: this splinter group of replicators researching ascension, and then there's
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Speaker 3: these human clones that they've made and they're all so
16:30
Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's it's a lot. It's I was I
16:32
Speaker 3: was interested to see how you would go with it,
16:34
Speaker 3: given that a lot of time you're folding laundry or
16:36
Speaker 3: washing dishes or you know, something like that while you're
16:38
Speaker 3: while you're watching the episode a little bit, you know,
16:41
Speaker 3: like you.
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Speaker 1: Know, have my eyes split with with this one. But
16:44
Speaker 1: I mean just even that on the researching ascension, like her,
16:47
Speaker 1: you know, once Keller like, okay, we know what's going on.
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Speaker 1: She's like, okay, I can find actually tell you what
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Speaker 1: we're doing. The only thing we're missing and we're trying
16:54
Speaker 1: to learn through you being you know, having these memories
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Speaker 1: and being organic and stuff is you know, we feel
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Speaker 1: like a soul is actually what you need to ascend.
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Speaker 1: You know, the body can be whatever, we can evolve physically,
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Speaker 1: but that the soul is the key. And you know
17:07
Speaker 1: them in a roundabout Wayga, Well, you can't learn to
17:10
Speaker 1: have a soul, make a soul.
17:11
Speaker 3: You can't throw if you're admitting you've artificially created this,
17:15
Speaker 3: this being out of flesh and blood.
17:18
Speaker 2: Does that automatically mean it has a soul? Because it has?
17:21
Speaker 3: It is an interesting sci fi topic, you know, and
17:25
Speaker 3: any any science fiction or it's like, well, you know,
17:28
Speaker 3: we don't think a vacuum cleaner has a soul.
17:31
Speaker 2: But then yeah, like a rumba, a rumba rouma doesn't
17:35
Speaker 2: have a soul.
17:36
Speaker 1: It has a name. Yeah, how's walks like Peggy stuck
17:39
Speaker 1: in the bathroom.
17:40
Speaker 2: My sister has a little googly eyes. She's a little
17:43
Speaker 2: goog I should really start.
17:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like, well, suddenly if that rumba had
17:48
Speaker 3: two arms, two legs, and a face, would there suddenly
17:51
Speaker 3: be questions of is it sentient?
17:55
Speaker 2: It doesn't have a soul? You know all that kind
17:56
Speaker 2: of we're so simple? Enjoy that.
17:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're so simple as a as a species. I
18:01
Speaker 1: think that if you know something else doesn't like I
18:04
Speaker 1: think you know the idea, like you have even TV
18:06
Speaker 1: shows that show animals being smart, and there's one on
18:09
Speaker 1: Apple it's made a couple of years ago. I still
18:10
Speaker 1: haven't finished it. Surprisingly, oh god, what's it called extrapolations
18:16
Speaker 1: And it's it's not just about climate change, but it's
18:19
Speaker 1: a lot of like, okay, things that are happening to
18:20
Speaker 1: the world that are shifting, like politically as well, like
18:23
Speaker 1: how it all adjusts and not quite black mirror ish,
18:25
Speaker 1: but there are certain technologies that are introduced and how
18:28
Speaker 1: people use them, and it's you know, might have an episode,
18:30
Speaker 1: then the next episode ten years later, next episode three
18:33
Speaker 1: months later, next episodes fifteen years later. And there's one
18:36
Speaker 1: early on and it's I think Meryl no, Merril Streep
18:39
Speaker 1: might voice it. But there's a character and she's researching
18:42
Speaker 1: Wales and their behavioral patterns and in it like they
18:47
Speaker 1: have a device that is basically able to interpret the
18:51
Speaker 1: signals from Wales and the noises that they make, well noises,
18:55
Speaker 1: but the collegation and shit, to be able to you know,
19:00
Speaker 1: speak to each other, communicate with each other, and it
19:03
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's the Simpsons machine to translate the
19:06
Speaker 1: baby talk. And so whoever the researcher is can't remember
19:09
Speaker 1: the actress, maybe Sienna Miller or is it anyway, she's
19:13
Speaker 1: hearing that, so she hears it in English and it's
19:15
Speaker 1: in the voice of Meryl Streep, and then she can
19:16
Speaker 1: speak back to it and it's sort of like translates,
19:18
Speaker 1: so she's able to communicate with this whale and she's
19:21
Speaker 1: trying to like they're basically trying to bring them back
19:22
Speaker 1: from you know, extinction and tack.
19:25
Speaker 2: Three.
19:26
Speaker 1: Sure, it absolutely is. I haven't seen that, so I
19:29
Speaker 1: couldn't possibly say and that's wait four, you just go
19:34
Speaker 1: to the mark that's still that's one. Yeah, what's it
19:39
Speaker 1: called again?
19:39
Speaker 2: The voyage home voice? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's voy him.
19:41
Speaker 1: And you know, like thankfully, like being married to me,
19:45
Speaker 1: Sarah has to watch certain things that maybe wouldn't be
19:48
Speaker 1: her first choice, but she doesn't scoff at stuff like that.
19:50
Speaker 1: But I know plenty of people who would watch that
19:52
Speaker 1: and go, oh god, a whale's not that smart. I'm like,
19:54
Speaker 1: what do you mean a whale is.
19:55
Speaker 2: Not that smart?
19:56
Speaker 1: And you're like, well, it just couldn't be. Like people
19:59
Speaker 1: just can not perceive that because something can't talk, or
20:03
Speaker 1: because it moves in a certain way, because its face
20:05
Speaker 1: looks like the way that it does well, that lives underwater,
20:08
Speaker 1: it couldn't possibly be intelligent.
20:10
Speaker 2: And the same person that goes, oh my god, look
20:12
Speaker 2: how smart my dog is. It's learned to do this.
20:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, but as well, no, yeah, like the room that
20:18
Speaker 1: we are recording and he's to sit with a friend
20:19
Speaker 1: and she, you know, vegetarian, and she would hate when
20:22
Speaker 1: I would eat you know, I'd beaten bacon and eggs
20:24
Speaker 1: in this room, and she'd be like, oh, are you
20:25
Speaker 1: enjoying your chicken fetuses? And I'm like, yeah, I actually am,
20:28
Speaker 1: but watches the yolk running down my head and then
20:30
Speaker 1: I eat bacon.
20:30
Speaker 3: Do you know it's even better a chicken omelet where
20:32
Speaker 3: you're actually you're cooking the mother in the in the
20:36
Speaker 3: unborn fetuses of it.
20:37
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Yeah, that's the most horrific one.
20:41
Speaker 1: Oh god, I gotta give it a try.
20:42
Speaker 2: That chicken omelet delicious.
20:44
Speaker 1: And I'd eat my bacon and she and she, without
20:46
Speaker 1: saying anything, it would just be like, do you know
20:48
Speaker 1: the pig They say they think that a pig has
20:49
Speaker 1: the intelligence of a three year old child. I'm like, oh, okay,
20:53
Speaker 1: and like my daughter at the moment is three, so
20:55
Speaker 1: it's like, oh wow, that does like it's a shame.
20:59
Speaker 3: To be fair though, if your daughter daughter tasted like bacon, sorry,
21:02
Speaker 3: so you know, sorry mate.
21:04
Speaker 1: I picked her up last night. You know, I pretend
21:05
Speaker 1: to eat her belly like particular. I'm like, it tastes
21:08
Speaker 1: so delicious, now I don't. I'm like, well, you know,
21:12
Speaker 1: a pink away from being bacon. See.
21:14
Speaker 3: And it is a weird thing with it. It's like
21:16
Speaker 3: where certain humans draw the line. It's like, you know,
21:20
Speaker 3: a vegetarian, might you know, see an ant on the
21:22
Speaker 3: table and just squish it. Yeah, there's just one ante,
21:24
Speaker 3: not a problem. But it's like you stab a cat
21:26
Speaker 3: and something you're a psychopathic.
21:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, and I feel I still remember, like
21:30
Speaker 1: it lives in my head, rent Free, like grade was
21:33
Speaker 1: grade eleven or twelve. We were going on a ski
21:34
Speaker 1: trip and our sports teacher at the time and he's
21:37
Speaker 1: coming on the thing and there must have been like
21:39
Speaker 1: a fly or a mossie or an ant something something small,
21:42
Speaker 1: saying I remember it very clear imation. But it was
21:45
Speaker 1: an insect there and on the window and someone just
21:49
Speaker 1: smacked it and squashed it. And the teachers he hey,
21:52
Speaker 1: and he was like only it was late twenties, like
21:54
Speaker 1: pretty cool guy. And fun to be around, and like
21:57
Speaker 1: great person you want to go on to, like even
21:58
Speaker 1: a school holiday with, because he, you know, less your teacher,
22:01
Speaker 1: more like an older friend.
22:02
Speaker 2: Show us on the weird doll.
22:05
Speaker 1: I was we can talk off air. Had nothing to
22:08
Speaker 1: do with me. He he loved Brendan. Now I'm joking.
22:12
Speaker 1: We actually went, you know, to make it weirder, we
22:15
Speaker 1: went on a was he on that trip?
22:17
Speaker 2: I had seen that photo of you two in DTS,
22:18
Speaker 2: so we went on.
22:19
Speaker 1: He looked you wright back then? Yeah, I mean Brendan
22:22
Speaker 1: Brennan still looks pretty good. I I've Yeah, I found
22:26
Speaker 1: some things to carry with me forever since then. And
22:30
Speaker 1: then they're called kilos emotional. Yeah exactly. We went on
22:34
Speaker 1: a separate trip with a bunch of not with We
22:39
Speaker 1: went on a trip with our old school. They needed
22:41
Speaker 1: to beef up the numbers to be able to make
22:42
Speaker 1: an international trip worth it, and we went with them
22:46
Speaker 1: because well, yeah, we'll take a discounted ski holiday. We'll
22:48
Speaker 1: go with you. But we went and basically hung out
22:50
Speaker 1: with four of our high school teachers for a week
22:51
Speaker 1: and them in between.
22:53
Speaker 2: Skin going to the basement.
22:56
Speaker 1: Hey, look, I went on that trip and then at
22:58
Speaker 1: the end. One of our friends has been like in
23:00
Speaker 1: the lead up, he's like, hey, do we finish on
23:02
Speaker 1: like the nineteenth, On the twentieth in London, there's a
23:05
Speaker 1: there's a Kiniki trip. Do we like go to Europe
23:08
Speaker 1: for three weeks after? I'm like, yeah, okay, And on
23:10
Speaker 1: that first day of that trip, I met my wife.
23:12
Speaker 1: So you know, if I didn't go on that trip,
23:14
Speaker 1: if my teacher wasn't so cool in high school, I
23:17
Speaker 1: wouldn't have wanted to go on a high school trip
23:19
Speaker 1: with him, then I would have backed on. You know,
23:21
Speaker 1: it's if.
23:21
Speaker 3: That serendipitous, If that teacher hadn't hadn't taken your innocence,
23:25
Speaker 3: then you know.
23:25
Speaker 1: Hey what no love that man?
23:28
Speaker 2: Love that man I'd loved I found you.
23:29
Speaker 3: You know, we spoke in the past about every time
23:31
Speaker 3: there's a Caramel chat, I'd love some kind of sting
23:33
Speaker 3: or yeah, I've got a new favorite song at the
23:36
Speaker 3: moment from a band called sleep Token. It's it's it's
23:38
Speaker 3: a slight deviation. It's a song called Caramel. Okay, So
23:41
Speaker 3: I mean that's close to Carmel.
23:42
Speaker 2: It's close to I.
23:43
Speaker 1: Don't have my buttons in front of me, but it
23:45
Speaker 1: would be at this point that I would have otherwise
23:46
Speaker 1: played as we go. Yeah, yeah, we've played graduation really excellent. Well,
23:51
Speaker 1: you know, just one on that teacher I had to
23:53
Speaker 1: borrow for for a video at work. I had to
23:56
Speaker 1: borrow up Where where am I going to get a
23:59
Speaker 1: javelin from? And I'm like, you know what, old mate,
24:02
Speaker 1: I'm not going to name him because you're making him
24:04
Speaker 1: sound like a creep, but I'm like on text and
24:07
Speaker 1: I said, is there any chance? Is there any chance
24:10
Speaker 1: that I could borrow a javelin for a video? He said, yeah,
24:13
Speaker 1: just swing on down, I'll have it ready for you.
24:15
Speaker 1: And so I pulled up to the school like after
24:17
Speaker 1: all the kids had gone, and you know.
24:19
Speaker 3: I'm just stuck on javelin and video, like just the innuendos, mate.
24:22
Speaker 1: We were filming like an Olympic video, like I was
24:24
Speaker 1: actually using it for legit reasons. Anyway, I pull into
24:28
Speaker 1: the car park and it's sort of you know, the
24:30
Speaker 1: big like U shape, stop, drop and go. And as
24:33
Speaker 1: I pull into the driveway, I just see him standing
24:36
Speaker 1: at the end like holding it up like he was
24:38
Speaker 1: holding a giant's staff weapon like he's just got this
24:41
Speaker 1: dad like ready to go like he was either going
24:42
Speaker 1: to like fire out of it or shoot out of it. Cree. Yeah. Anyway,
24:47
Speaker 1: So this kid squashes the massie or the ant, and
24:52
Speaker 1: that teacher is like, hey, you don't don't do that.
24:55
Speaker 1: He said that, he said that has just as much
24:57
Speaker 1: right to live as we do. And it stuck with
24:59
Speaker 1: me because I'm like, it's just an ant, Like if
25:01
Speaker 1: we went outside and just stuck it, dug a hole
25:04
Speaker 1: with one hand, we'd probably find ten of them. Like
25:07
Speaker 1: any pick, any spot of the grass gave to that tree,
25:09
Speaker 1: you're going to be bitten by four hundred bull lants,
25:10
Speaker 1: like they're everywhere. We're going to be fine, They're going
25:13
Speaker 1: to be fine. But it just sort of stuck with me.
25:15
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, who are we to decide that
25:18
Speaker 1: something isn't worth living? And the building we're out at
25:21
Speaker 1: the moment. We had some ant problem going on a
25:23
Speaker 1: couple of months ago and they had to put out
25:25
Speaker 1: little you know, traps or not traps, like not poisoned
25:27
Speaker 1: whatever it was, but you know, deterrence, and you know,
25:31
Speaker 1: prior to that, you know they're literally crawling all over
25:33
Speaker 1: desks and you just be it, you know, just squashing
25:35
Speaker 1: them you'd be killing twenty things and I'm like, well,
25:39
Speaker 1: this is getting rid of a pest problem. But I'm like,
25:40
Speaker 1: those are all living creatures. They're like it'd be you
25:43
Speaker 1: know people you woke bust and show. Yeah one you don't.
25:47
Speaker 3: But it's like a giant creature like a whale, or
25:49
Speaker 3: to an elephant where this humans are the ant where
25:53
Speaker 3: and everywhere that an elephant would be like I can't
25:55
Speaker 3: walk five steps without a little pink guy, get me
25:58
Speaker 3: in my way.
25:59
Speaker 2: I'm sure want to stomp on us all the time.
26:01
Speaker 1: And like you said, where do we draw the line?
26:03
Speaker 1: Because yeah, we'll kill a pig to eat bacon. That's fine,
26:06
Speaker 1: it's delicious. We'll kill a chicken because we've already been
26:08
Speaker 1: eating its eggs while it's been growing, and now we've
26:10
Speaker 1: killed the mother. But then it's like, oh, well, in
26:12
Speaker 1: another country, they you know, they eat dog and it's
26:14
Speaker 1: like oh those months, Yeah right, well hang on, but
26:18
Speaker 1: why you know? And in India cows aren't they like
26:21
Speaker 1: sacred being?
26:22
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, whereas you got Asians like ill, you guys
26:24
Speaker 3: eat crickets and scorpions.
26:25
Speaker 2: That's gross.
26:26
Speaker 1: And you know, we had a great conversation way back
26:28
Speaker 1: when about what was that episode where scar was Who's
26:34
Speaker 1: on trial and Colorolia was on trial and it was
26:38
Speaker 1: you know, we as humans were like, hey, you guys,
26:41
Speaker 1: you know overtake us? You know, how dare you wear
26:44
Speaker 1: these sentient creatures? And then the gold arguing, yeah, but
26:46
Speaker 1: don't you eat a bunch of animals like you determine
26:48
Speaker 1: that you you're okay to consume them as food. We
26:52
Speaker 1: the creatures that we are, we cannot survive unless we're
26:55
Speaker 1: overtaking your body and your mind. So what's the difference.
26:59
Speaker 3: Well, in the same way a wraith look at us
27:01
Speaker 3: as cattle, you know, we're just a food source.
27:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So I love when that sort of shit
27:07
Speaker 1: comes up in the air. That's the idea of a
27:08
Speaker 1: of a soul. It's like, well, we're looking at you, going, well,
27:11
Speaker 1: you're monsters, and they're like, actually, we don't want to
27:13
Speaker 1: hurt you. We are wanting to study you so that
27:16
Speaker 1: we can achieve something that our creators way back when
27:19
Speaker 1: we're able to achieve it. It's just we're just missing something.
27:22
Speaker 1: And yet there would be not that they got into
27:24
Speaker 1: many conversations about it, but there would have been members
27:26
Speaker 1: of that team and if it would have went for
27:28
Speaker 1: the rest of the episode there was no big attack
27:30
Speaker 1: that killed them, would have been like, well, you don't
27:32
Speaker 1: deserve to if it was possible, you wouldn't deserve a
27:35
Speaker 1: soul because you are these monsters that yeah, yeah, okay,
27:38
Speaker 1: you're artificial, yeah, the ancient's creator, but you aren't real
27:41
Speaker 1: or your people and you're you know, you're kind have
27:44
Speaker 1: killed a bunch of people, so you don't you actually
27:45
Speaker 1: don't deserve a soul. And it's like, well, who are
27:47
Speaker 1: we to say, like they're saying, we're putting aside those
27:50
Speaker 1: ways that others do. We want to do the ultimate thing,
27:53
Speaker 1: which is to ascend. We just we haven't got that
27:55
Speaker 1: final piece. And yeah, like we as you know, these
27:59
Speaker 1: flawed humans go no, no, no, you're wrong. Where right? Yeah?
28:04
Speaker 1: And in the end they paid.
28:05
Speaker 2: Guards country sir.
28:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:07
Speaker 3: So yeah, I actually would have really enjoyed when we met,
28:11
Speaker 3: like the alternate versions met each other. Obviously, the two
28:14
Speaker 3: Rodney's got along like a house on fire, John and
28:18
Speaker 3: I think he's Elizabeth or like.
28:20
Speaker 2: The oppositeity that went off and spoke or whatever. But
28:23
Speaker 2: I thought it was weird that it's like the.
28:24
Speaker 3: Quote unquote real Ronan and Taylor walked off, and then
28:27
Speaker 3: the clone Ronan and Taylor walked off. I would have
28:30
Speaker 3: actually preferred like a Ronan and Ronan scene and Taylor
28:33
Speaker 3: and Taylor. I know, it would have been more expensive
28:34
Speaker 3: and harder to do.
28:36
Speaker 1: Well, even just for the narrative, I think Taylor and
28:38
Speaker 1: Taylor would have had a good Like you imagine that
28:41
Speaker 1: Taylor has been made from memories from a year ago,
28:44
Speaker 1: new real Taylor could have talked about it. Pregnancy, Yeah, right,
28:47
Speaker 1: that would have been an interesting development. It's almost like
28:49
Speaker 1: you're talking to your pastself. Even though this one, I
28:52
Speaker 1: guess theoretically could get pregnant. She is real, She is
28:55
Speaker 1: organic and made flesh and blood and all that. Whereas
28:57
Speaker 1: the Ronan that we saw in their brief in interaction,
29:00
Speaker 1: they probably were not going to get to a point
29:03
Speaker 1: where they were going to trust each other.
29:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, again, like in.
29:07
Speaker 3: The Miller episode last week, I almost because we've kind
29:09
Speaker 3: of seen that already with Tilk. When Tilk has become
29:13
Speaker 3: you know, come across a duplicate of himself, they hate
29:16
Speaker 3: each other. Yeah, And again I would have liked to
29:18
Speaker 3: maybe flip that and maybe like the two Ronans just
29:22
Speaker 3: became best buds, Like, do we just become best friends?
29:24
Speaker 2: Because that other Ronan is the only person in the.
29:28
Speaker 3: Universe that knows what he's been through for the last
29:31
Speaker 3: you know, seven years, and it's like, in a way,
29:34
Speaker 3: the only person Ronan has been able to trust is himself.
29:39
Speaker 2: So to have a personification of that, yeah, I think
29:42
Speaker 2: would have been really interesting to explore.
29:44
Speaker 1: I wonder whether the joke of having Rodney's love each
29:48
Speaker 1: other overtook that, because you couldn't have half of the
29:50
Speaker 1: team absolutely love their duplicates and get on like a
29:53
Speaker 1: house and fire. Yeah, so the idea it was much
29:55
Speaker 1: funnier to have Rodney go, oh my god, this is
29:57
Speaker 1: going to be incredible at the two greatest minds in
29:59
Speaker 1: the galaxy actually doubling their powers, and then cutting to
30:02
Speaker 1: both Shepherds looking at each other going no, like yeah,
30:05
Speaker 1: I'll just let them move on. So that was obviously
30:08
Speaker 1: a funny bit that was more necessary to the rioting. Yeah,
30:13
Speaker 1: typically goes that way, and it's been interesting.
30:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess in a way that was the end
30:18
Speaker 3: ofthis of when Rodney met rod you know, a couple
30:21
Speaker 3: of EPs, was it last season or whatever it was. Yeah,
30:24
Speaker 3: they kind of didn't really get along. Well, at least
30:26
Speaker 3: rod got along with Rodney, but Rodney.
30:27
Speaker 2: Was jealous of rod and all that kind of stuff.
30:29
Speaker 2: So I guess that was the way they took it.
30:32
Speaker 3: But yeah, I sort of you know, Ronan is probably
30:35
Speaker 3: one of my more favorite characters, you know, than Rodney,
30:38
Speaker 3: so I guess I kind of look look that way.
30:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, I was surprised that it
30:42
Speaker 1: was a great conversation for them to have the doubles
30:44
Speaker 1: and they go, look, we need to reach out to
30:46
Speaker 1: our our real counterparts. Would you It's like, hey, but
30:51
Speaker 1: would you trust if you got this? Court's like no,
30:53
Speaker 1: you know, I actually wouldn't say, Well, how the hell
30:55
Speaker 1: are we going to do this? And so they throw
30:57
Speaker 1: Elizabeth to be the one in front of the and
31:00
Speaker 1: for her to communicate, and that opens up everyone's soft spot,
31:03
Speaker 1: going holy shit, well we thought she was dead and
31:07
Speaker 1: this is her. And then did she say in that
31:09
Speaker 1: she said in that scene it's not it's not Elizabeth. Yeah,
31:13
Speaker 1: it's a different one, which I'm like, is that better
31:15
Speaker 1: or worse? Because even if it was the real one,
31:18
Speaker 1: they were worried that she was going to get to
31:19
Speaker 1: a point where she would turn full on replicator, right,
31:22
Speaker 1: so they were worried about that, and then all of
31:25
Speaker 1: a sudden she shows up. They should have like not
31:27
Speaker 1: trusted her as soon as they say, go hang on,
31:29
Speaker 1: Cautius saying the nice things, but that's what replicators would
31:32
Speaker 1: do if they want to ambush us or draw us
31:34
Speaker 1: out and whatnot. But then when she's like, I'm actually
31:37
Speaker 1: not that one, it's like, well, hang on, but at
31:39
Speaker 1: least we knew her. We knew that she was a
31:41
Speaker 1: chance of not being full replicator. You're coming out and
31:43
Speaker 1: saying that you've been made of flesh and blood and
31:46
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Hang like, why should we trust you
31:50
Speaker 1: more or should we try it?
31:52
Speaker 3: Was?
31:52
Speaker 1: It just like again, that was so far into the
31:55
Speaker 1: episode that we needed just to go, okay, trust them,
31:57
Speaker 1: to get them to meet you know, we need.
31:59
Speaker 2: To get all there. But the destruction of Atlantis happened
32:01
Speaker 2: at twenty five minutes.
32:02
Speaker 4: Wow.
32:03
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, Like I I wonder whether it would have
32:08
Speaker 1: felt overblown if it was two episodes, and I don't
32:11
Speaker 1: know where the midpoint would have been other than maybe
32:13
Speaker 1: the destruction of Atlantis. But like you said, twenty five minutes,
32:17
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't know what else they would have
32:18
Speaker 1: done to make that fifteen minutes longer. Yeah, but then
32:21
Speaker 1: the other second episode felt like, Okay, it could have
32:24
Speaker 1: been like what are we going to do and then
32:25
Speaker 1: get to the point where they have to make that
32:27
Speaker 1: phone call to get the real Atlanta's team to come over.
32:29
Speaker 1: Like I can understand how that would have maybe been
32:31
Speaker 1: its own episode, but I feel like you would have
32:33
Speaker 1: had to have over embellished the first half just to
32:37
Speaker 1: make it a double part of But it just felt
32:38
Speaker 1: like there was just so much going And again that's
32:40
Speaker 1: not even to a negative point of this episode. No
32:43
Speaker 1: surprised at how many ideas they tried to throw into
32:45
Speaker 1: one and maybe because it was designed to be a
32:48
Speaker 1: season finale, whereas you said, next, next week or next
32:52
Speaker 1: episode is all payoff, but it was the return, so
32:55
Speaker 1: they're like, well, we're not getting that payoff now, but
32:57
Speaker 1: let's just give them a lot of everything else.
33:00
Speaker 2: I think to see Elizabeth back.
33:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the big missed opportunity is, obviously, you
33:06
Speaker 3: know the duplicate Ronan died, there was an opportunity there
33:10
Speaker 3: for the real Ronan to be double fisting blasters and
33:13
Speaker 3: have two of them and go full like cad Bane.
33:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, just to sort of Yeah, actually,
33:20
Speaker 1: see that, like you said, does not everyone has to
33:22
Speaker 1: get into the jumper. We could have had Ronan on
33:24
Speaker 1: foot back to back with himself, you know, like just
33:27
Speaker 1: being the old bad even if they were like fully
33:28
Speaker 1: mirroring their own moves.
33:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then Replicator Ronan gets killed, gives
33:34
Speaker 3: his blaster to Ronan, and now Ronan's got two. Yeah,
33:37
Speaker 3: so but they probably don't have two workable props like that.
33:41
Speaker 3: They probably got they probably got plenty of stunt props,
33:43
Speaker 3: but they probably got one prop that actually lights up
33:45
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that
33:47
Speaker 3: was unfortunate.
33:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, we keep having to find reasons to like not
33:51
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, when Ronan's lost it, we
33:53
Speaker 1: have to find a reason to bring it back, and
33:54
Speaker 1: in this case, they would have had to find a
33:56
Speaker 1: reason to make it disappear.
33:57
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, exactly.
33:59
Speaker 3: There was some interesting little tidbits and stuff thrown in
34:02
Speaker 3: in the audio commentary for this one. We've spoken about
34:06
Speaker 3: it in the past, where if you notice, because obviously
34:08
Speaker 3: the big giveaway in this episode, and I don't know
34:10
Speaker 3: whether you noticed early on, is obviously, the replicator versions
34:14
Speaker 3: were all in the old uniforms. The season three uniforms.
34:17
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you know, Keller was in a uniform
34:19
Speaker 3: we'd never seen her in before because she really only
34:22
Speaker 3: was in the proper uniform this season.
34:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
34:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they referenced the fact why you don't ever
34:29
Speaker 3: see like Shepherd used to wear the gray that had
34:33
Speaker 3: the black triangles on his chest, kind of like you
34:34
Speaker 3: know what wes. But then you know, at some point
34:37
Speaker 3: during season one or season two, he just started wearing
34:40
Speaker 3: his black you know, fatigues and stuff, and that's it.
34:43
Speaker 2: There's a reason for that.
34:44
Speaker 5: By the way, the fans ask her, why is it
34:46
Speaker 5: that everyone else wears an Atlantis uniform but Shepherd doesn't?
34:50
Speaker 2: Why is that?
34:52
Speaker 4: Do you know?
34:52
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to be the one to say, here wear this.
34:55
Speaker 5: No, Actually someone was one who said here wear this,
34:58
Speaker 5: and Joe said, nah, I don't like the uniform. So,
35:02
Speaker 5: I mean, he looks good in the.
35:04
Speaker 1: Very swimming.
35:07
Speaker 5: The wristbands are after another joeism that I've never been
35:12
Speaker 5: a big fan of.
35:13
Speaker 3: No, so he just pulled a full rdier and just went, nah, nah,
35:18
Speaker 3: I probably didn't give Ardia as much shit back then.
35:20
Speaker 1: Maybe someone will say, yeah, you did, here's the bit.
35:22
Speaker 1: But I hear that. I'm like, I get that you
35:25
Speaker 1: want to bring some of yourself into the character, but
35:26
Speaker 1: also where.
35:27
Speaker 2: Would they tell you to wear police like you?
35:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a job. That's part of your job is
35:31
Speaker 1: to like we've written this character to be this, and
35:33
Speaker 1: that we've designed the costumes for those characters to wear them.
35:36
Speaker 1: You're wearing this costume and for the actor to be like,
35:38
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I feel like there's an opportunity
35:40
Speaker 1: to given.
35:41
Speaker 3: Like very early on in season one of SG one,
35:43
Speaker 3: it's like I might have even been in the pilot
35:45
Speaker 3: where it's like everyone's wearing those helmets, like the combat helmets,
35:49
Speaker 3: and Jack just puts on his green cap, you know,
35:52
Speaker 3: like he made and that was because DA was like,
35:55
Speaker 3: I'm not wearing one of those absolutely not so with him,
35:58
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh yeah, I mean his name was above
36:01
Speaker 3: the titles, so that that's kind of fair.
36:03
Speaker 1: I mean, this would be that's one for me. But
36:04
Speaker 1: I guess it's a you know the classic one of
36:06
Speaker 1: in Star Wars, you know, Samuel Jackson gun purple lightsaber. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
36:11
Speaker 1: there's a great meme that goes around says Lightsaber Law.
36:15
Speaker 1: And it's a very very thin book. It's barely magazine.
36:18
Speaker 1: It's a brochure. And then it's like Lightsaber Law because
36:21
Speaker 1: Samuel Jackson wanted a purple light saber and it's this
36:24
Speaker 1: giant ass book. It's like ten Bibles.
36:26
Speaker 2: Thank you, Samuel L. Jackson.
36:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, because yeah, I had a I had a mace
36:30
Speaker 3: window figurine from The Phantom Menace and he came with
36:33
Speaker 3: a blue light saber because it wasn't until episode two
36:35
Speaker 3: that he will can I have purple?
36:38
Speaker 1: If I would have, I would have maybe picked. This
36:41
Speaker 1: has come because a friend about over and I get
36:44
Speaker 1: in a geek channel and she's new to Star Wars
36:48
Speaker 1: and she had said to me, she's she was talking
36:50
Speaker 1: about me and Lincoln and I said, I with custom
36:53
Speaker 1: built them over Disney and she said, oh yeah, I
36:55
Speaker 1: see you as being a blue and him being a green.
36:57
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no
36:59
Speaker 1: no no, that's wrong, and she goes, I'm pretty I
37:01
Speaker 1: feel pretty strongly about this, And I said, well, I
37:04
Speaker 1: don't mean to you know, like man's plain perhaps this
37:08
Speaker 1: or whatever, but you also are new to this, so
37:11
Speaker 1: you don't you don't. You don't know. I feel very
37:14
Speaker 1: comfortable decision to be green, and Lincoln feels very comfortable
37:16
Speaker 1: the decision to be blue. She still argued. She goes, well,
37:19
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd be either. I think I just
37:20
Speaker 1: choose like a cool one, like like a purple or something.
37:24
Speaker 1: I think that's what I would be. And I'm like, yeah,
37:26
Speaker 1: you don't even know the backstory. Let me explain to
37:28
Speaker 1: you how purple came up.
37:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, the girls always choose the purple because it's the
37:31
Speaker 3: closest to pink. I wonder what she would she wonder
37:34
Speaker 3: what she do if I told her that I'm a
37:36
Speaker 3: yellow light' say by Bele Wilder.
37:37
Speaker 1: I don't even say that. She's only seen like the
37:39
Speaker 1: first like the episodes one, two, and three. She won't
37:41
Speaker 1: even know about it yellow. So yeah, like it's it's
37:43
Speaker 1: it's that sort of situation where the actor going no, no, no,
37:46
Speaker 1: I think this, and sometimes it works out for the better.
37:49
Speaker 1: Other times, I mean, you know, who cares that. You know,
37:52
Speaker 1: Joe Flanagan doesn't want to you wear the uniform, But
37:54
Speaker 1: in the end we see him as very much this
37:56
Speaker 1: show's O'Neil. For a lot of reasons and the fact
37:58
Speaker 1: that yeah, Rdia got around with a shirt untucked all
38:01
Speaker 1: the time, like he wasn't getting around in full military
38:04
Speaker 1: uniform all the time wearing it the way that he
38:06
Speaker 1: should have. And we accepted that because we're like, oh,
38:08
Speaker 1: classic O'Neill, Jack God, he's a character Alaric, and I
38:13
Speaker 1: see the same thing for Shepherd. It just doesn't bother me.
38:15
Speaker 1: And you know, also there on the other side of
38:16
Speaker 1: the universe, so who cares.
38:18
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said universe that Actually that was great.
38:21
Speaker 3: That led into the next bit of bit I want
38:23
Speaker 3: to talk to you about. Is this little bit of
38:25
Speaker 3: tidbit that I was unaware of in terms of the
38:28
Speaker 3: timing of Obviously, when the audio commentaries for these episodes
38:31
Speaker 3: are done, it's like at the end of the season,
38:33
Speaker 3: like after this, after season four all aired, then they
38:37
Speaker 3: go and do the audio commentaries for the DVD box
38:40
Speaker 3: sets they come out after that. So I believe these
38:42
Speaker 3: were recorded in between like season four and season five.
38:47
Speaker 5: Now as we speak, we're in you know, Brad and
38:52
Speaker 5: Robert are in you know, the pre pilot stage universe,
38:59
Speaker 5: and there's type of true that leads set into a
39:01
Speaker 5: standing set for Universe. What that will mean for Atlantis,
39:05
Speaker 5: I don't know.
39:07
Speaker 2: Which was news to me.
39:08
Speaker 3: I always my internal chronology was always that Universe came
39:12
Speaker 3: about after.
39:15
Speaker 2: Atlantis was canceled, like they had.
39:17
Speaker 1: A crossover likely production, yeah, in terms of production.
39:21
Speaker 3: So in between seasons four and five, Brad and Cooper
39:25
Speaker 3: were already working on like they already had the idea
39:28
Speaker 3: of Universe, and they were and they were workshopping it
39:30
Speaker 3: and working on a pilot. Which, yeah, I had no
39:33
Speaker 3: because I feel like Universe didn't come out to like
39:36
Speaker 3: twenty eleven or something like that. Maybe just maybe jump
39:40
Speaker 3: maybe it was two thousand and nine, because obviously this
39:43
Speaker 3: is like two thousand and seven is season four of Atlantis.
39:45
Speaker 3: Two thousand and eight is season five of Atlantis. I think, oh, okay,
39:50
Speaker 3: al right, so yeah, so you're just just much earlier
39:53
Speaker 3: than I would have than I would have thought.
39:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, and see, I know nothing about you Verse other
40:00
Speaker 1: than they're lost. I don't know. I have no idea.
40:05
Speaker 1: I have no idea what I know. And that's the
40:07
Speaker 1: that's that's like what I'm most excited about. Like I
40:11
Speaker 1: watched Stargate Atlantis, and I am a first time watcher.
40:14
Speaker 1: Every single episode since the pilot. I watched the pilot
40:17
Speaker 1: back when it first aired in the mid two thousands,
40:20
Speaker 1: never saw another episode, So every week I get to
40:22
Speaker 1: talk about a fresh episode, which is great, but you know,
40:26
Speaker 1: it feels SG one adjacent SG one lights SG one alternative,
40:31
Speaker 1: like it's you kind of know, I kind of know
40:33
Speaker 1: what to expect, whereas universe looks different. Oh yeah, and
40:38
Speaker 1: I get the feeling that it will feel different.
40:41
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very much influence. But Battlestar galact.
40:44
Speaker 1: Career, Yeah yeah, yeah, it has. Like even the way
40:47
Speaker 1: that it shot in the brief stuff that I've seen,
40:49
Speaker 1: it does look a little bit more handicam yeah and whatnot.
40:52
Speaker 1: So absolutely I'm excited about that. So when you say that, oh,
40:56
Speaker 1: this is what they're doing, they're thinking about making of this,
40:58
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even know where that would fit,
41:00
Speaker 1: what it would mean, what you know, Just that's exciting.
41:03
Speaker 1: So I mean, we're going to get there eventually.
41:04
Speaker 3: But what I was excited about but also disappointed about,
41:08
Speaker 3: is it turns out that there was an alternate introduction
41:13
Speaker 3: of Elizabeth Weir's character into this episode. So and you'll
41:18
Speaker 3: only get this on the audio commentary, perhaps only on
41:21
Speaker 3: this podcast.
41:23
Speaker 2: So imagine, you.
41:24
Speaker 1: Know, they walk in, you made something, shut up, you're gonna.
41:30
Speaker 3: So you know, the camera pans over, it pushes up,
41:33
Speaker 3: and you see we are sitting on the desk, and
41:36
Speaker 3: what we get is.
41:42
Speaker 2: This riddle me that watch out girls, this bitch is back.
41:59
Speaker 1: All right, what is this?
42:01
Speaker 2: It's just a song called I'm That Bitch.
42:02
Speaker 1: But where's the first bit from.
42:05
Speaker 2: Drag Race?
42:07
Speaker 1: Thank you? I could have guessed it was something that
42:09
Speaker 1: had drag in.
42:11
Speaker 2: That race, RuPaul's Drag Race All Star Season two.
42:15
Speaker 1: Okay, so not only do they Okay, so yeah, it's
42:17
Speaker 1: begun on.
42:18
Speaker 3: O'Hara walks in, dressed as the Riddler from from Batman
42:22
Speaker 3: Forever and says, riddle me this riddle be that.
42:24
Speaker 2: Lookout girls, this bitch is back.
42:26
Speaker 1: Brilliant. Love it, love it, love it. Yeah, no know,
42:28
Speaker 1: it's excellent. I fully thought you were setting up for
42:31
Speaker 1: something real there, and then you're like, oh, I'm probably
42:33
Speaker 1: only on this podcast. I'm I just slipped up there.
42:35
Speaker 2: One too far, one too many, one too many, but
42:39
Speaker 2: had to do it.
42:40
Speaker 3: It was just so good to see Elizabeth like legitimately
42:43
Speaker 3: I think under Daniel Jackson, not in that way, but
42:46
Speaker 3: if I had to rank every single Star Stargate character,
42:51
Speaker 3: Daniel Jackson my favorite Elizabeth this version, Tory Higginson's Elizabeth
42:56
Speaker 3: Weir second blonde Elizabeth not so much, but Tory Higginson's weird,
43:01
Speaker 3: I would say he's quite easily. Like, yeah, my second
43:04
Speaker 3: favorite Stargate character of all time.
43:06
Speaker 1: Just a second to the second. Just yeah, I just
43:09
Speaker 1: heard Brendan hit the floor.
43:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that a brainingurism?
43:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you know that moment where in the Simpsons
43:15
Speaker 1: and mister Burns offers Lisa for that little little Lisa
43:17
Speaker 1: slurry and he offers her like ten percent. Oh, that's right,
43:23
Speaker 1: and it was gonna be he it was twelve million
43:26
Speaker 1: bucks and then Homer he had a heart attack no
43:30
Speaker 1: sorry force simultaneous. Yes, that's right, because he thought she
43:33
Speaker 1: turned down twelve thousand dollars. Burns like they're like, do
43:37
Speaker 1: what you want, Lisa, go with your heart. She goes, no,
43:39
Speaker 1: I don't want that money. And just it's just like
43:42
Speaker 1: the bottom half of Homer is in the shot. He's
43:43
Speaker 1: bodied as thump. Yeah, that's not the idea that Brendan did.
43:47
Speaker 1: The exact same thing going. We all love Daniel second
43:50
Speaker 1: and only second to him is is Elizabeth.
43:53
Speaker 3: Wi Yeah all that the episode of Simpsons where Homer's
43:56
Speaker 3: getting fired by mister Burns and they do the little
43:59
Speaker 3: cutaway of his heart's doing. Yeah, it's just like, yeah,
44:05
Speaker 3: that was it. I do believe this was a kind
44:09
Speaker 3: of love it or hate it episode as well. I
44:13
Speaker 3: just want, as we like to do the good old
44:17
Speaker 3: IMDb IMDb reviews know they've been scrubbed, but there's only
44:26
Speaker 3: there's only one review for this episode. There were some
44:31
Speaker 3: there were some scathing reviews.
44:33
Speaker 1: Really, yes, what was the general vibe, Like I I
44:38
Speaker 1: I get it's not the best episode of the season
44:39
Speaker 1: or anything.
44:40
Speaker 3: It was there was like there was like tens and
44:42
Speaker 3: then there was ones. It was just it was a
44:44
Speaker 3: very very split split debate on this one. It was
44:48
Speaker 3: just like, oh, it's such a cluche blow, Oh you
44:50
Speaker 3: bring back a crap character. And then other people are like,
44:52
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm so glad you brought back the
44:54
Speaker 3: more favorite character.
44:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they felt compelled to like get rid of her.
44:58
Speaker 1: She's like not enough. You know, there wasn't a soward
45:01
Speaker 1: percentage that just loved her.
45:03
Speaker 2: M Yeah, that's a shame. Bummer. I should I should
45:09
Speaker 2: have screenshot at him. Damn it, I do. I do
45:13
Speaker 2: have a little something here for you to add to
45:15
Speaker 2: the the soundboard.
45:17
Speaker 5: Tope.
45:17
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just so we can get rid of the
45:21
Speaker 2: the Weir or the Sarah connowan's.
45:27
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not getting rid of them. Well you ad,
45:31
Speaker 1: We're gonna add just what you want every time Elizabeth
45:34
Speaker 1: potentially pops up on screen in the future, which I
45:38
Speaker 1: don't know.
45:39
Speaker 3: She was in that jumper, right, so yeah, yeah, so
45:41
Speaker 3: that that Elizabeth has gone as well, but I think, yeah,
45:44
Speaker 3: the insinuation being it's like, well, you can't really trust
45:46
Speaker 3: the replicators.
45:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there might be like an assembly line of
45:49
Speaker 1: Elizabeth's out there.
45:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly so, and yeah, like we don't
45:53
Speaker 3: know what happened to the body because this was an
45:55
Speaker 3: artificial we don't know what happened to the body of
45:57
Speaker 3: the of the real weird.
45:59
Speaker 1: She's getting around like apof with like half a cyborg face.
46:02
Speaker 2: Oh, that would be so cool.
46:03
Speaker 1: It would be amazing.
46:04
Speaker 2: That would have been awesome.
46:05
Speaker 1: Sorry, we're gonna need you to shave half your head.
46:09
Speaker 3: She probably still look great, to be fair, absolutely kind
46:12
Speaker 3: of like who's our favorite chick from from game of
46:16
Speaker 3: Thrones Natalie Dormer. Oh yeah, and when she shaved half
46:19
Speaker 3: her head for the Hunger Games. Oh yeah, yeah, she
46:21
Speaker 3: still looks rock Yeah yeah, she looked awesome.
46:23
Speaker 2: Right.
46:24
Speaker 1: That's episode two hundred and eighty talking this Mortal Coil.
46:28
Speaker 1: Cool title, I'm just looking ahead next week be all
46:31
Speaker 1: my sins remembered. So I'm like, okay, cool, we're sounding
46:35
Speaker 1: sounding poetic. Yeah, so what does that mean?
46:37
Speaker 3: Well, they because they're slightly connected but slightly not connected.
46:42
Speaker 3: They're both quotes from the famous hamlet to be or
46:46
Speaker 3: not to be right. Yeah, So basically Joe and Paul
46:50
Speaker 3: wrote this Mortal Coil, and then Ghiro went and wrote,
46:54
Speaker 3: you Almo sins Remembered, And when he tried to come
46:55
Speaker 3: up with.
46:57
Speaker 2: A title for it, yeah he he wrote that. Yeah,
47:01
Speaker 2: he just it's from the same soliloquy and I did grab.
47:04
Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense the connection because I mean
47:06
Speaker 1: the way that this one ends, right, Like with the
47:08
Speaker 1: AAR we can see ships.
47:10
Speaker 2: Oh it's not bad.
47:10
Speaker 1: Six is pretty Oh yeah, deeper and deeper space we
47:15
Speaker 1: just you know, it's it's detecting them. And I'm like,
47:17
Speaker 1: oh boy, yeah, that's a lot of ships.
47:21
Speaker 3: So it's to sleep, a chance to dream a there's
47:24
Speaker 3: the rub for it, for in that sleep death. What
47:26
Speaker 3: dreams may come when we have shuffled off this mortal
47:29
Speaker 3: coil must give us pause. There's the respect that makes
47:34
Speaker 3: a calamity of life so fair, Ophelia Nymph on the horizons,
47:38
Speaker 3: Be all my sins remembered. The term be almost sins
47:42
Speaker 3: remembered basically being used as someone who doesn't want to
47:46
Speaker 3: receive praise, usually to guilt or.
47:48
Speaker 2: Past misdeeds, So you can look at that going into
47:52
Speaker 2: next week's episode.
47:54
Speaker 3: It is weird, though, I feel like you being the
47:56
Speaker 3: the the grammar and and Nazi grammar and Sinti Nazi
48:00
Speaker 3: that you are. It's remembered, but it's not rid. It's
48:03
Speaker 3: remember apostrophe d yeah, which I guess.
48:06
Speaker 2: Is just the old English stool spelling.
48:09
Speaker 1: I'll allow it.
48:13
Speaker 3: Get into Gate, Get into Gate Stargate podcast, Get into
48:19
Speaker 3: it now before it's too late.