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The Week That Was - 29th July 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was.
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Speaker 2: It's been a few weeks between well public holidays and
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Speaker 2: me being away, but we are back and joining me
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Speaker 2: in the studio is the COLP Jared Mayley.
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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.
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Speaker 2: And we've got the Minister for Police and also Territory Families,
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Speaker 2: Kate Warden, Good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Kate most importantly member for Samson.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely and Jared obviously the Member for Nelson, and we
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Speaker 2: have also got the Member for Goid Kizy Appuic.
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Speaker 1: Good morning, Katy, morning bush people.
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Speaker 2: It's wonderful to have you all in the studio and
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Speaker 2: it has been an incredibly busy week, there is no
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Speaker 2: doubt about it. I do want to start with a
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Speaker 2: terribly tragic situation that we've seen well earlier last week
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Speaker 2: or through last week, but learned more about over the
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Speaker 2: course of the weekend, and that is the deaths of
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Speaker 2: a woman and a baby in Alice Springs. We now know,
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Speaker 2: Minister Warden, you did reveal throughout the weekend that the
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Speaker 2: man who was there was in possession obviously gun. We
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Speaker 2: know that that person is also deceased and it was
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Speaker 2: found at the scene but you also revealed that it
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Speaker 2: was a fourteen week old baby that was killed.
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Speaker 1: In this instance. Many, you know, many left wondering.
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Speaker 2: I think at this point in time, after such a terrible,
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Speaker 2: terrible domestic violence incident, is what is what it appears
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Speaker 2: to be? How we make some change in this space.
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Speaker 2: We know that there was also a situation in Catherine
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Speaker 2: about a week ago as well. It's not fatality, yeah,
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Speaker 2: a terrible like a terrible tragedy. But when we talk
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Speaker 2: about domestic and family violence in the Northern Territory, it's
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Speaker 2: atrocious what's gone on.
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Speaker 4: It's absolutely heartbreaking.
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Speaker 5: Katie, and I think the figure that resonates, there's a
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Speaker 5: couple of figures that resonate really strongly with me, and
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Speaker 5: they have done for a couple of years. And in fact,
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Speaker 5: if you look over the parliamentary record for the last
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Speaker 5: couple of years, I've raised domestic and family violence as
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Speaker 5: an issue. I think at every single sittings, what's the
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Speaker 5: You know, if you five out of every six homicides
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Speaker 5: are related to Mesican.
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Speaker 4: Family violence, that's a lot.
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Speaker 5: Five out of every six if you think about that,
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Speaker 5: that's in the territory. The second statistic is you're forty
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Speaker 5: times more likely if you're a woman in the Northern
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Speaker 5: Territory to be hospitalized from domestic and family violence and
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Speaker 5: any other woman in Australia.
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Speaker 4: And I think they're the.
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Speaker 5: Really important things that we have to keep in mind
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Speaker 5: because they show you that the effect this has, the
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Speaker 5: flow on effect. It has an effect on children not
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Speaker 5: going to school, has an effect on our hospital systems
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Speaker 5: and particularly on our frontline police officers that are having
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Speaker 5: to deal with this. So if you you know sixty
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Speaker 5: eight on average callouts today for our police for domestic
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Speaker 5: and family violence in the Northern Territory, that's just not
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Speaker 5: good enough.
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Speaker 4: We've been saying it's not good enough.
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Speaker 5: But it requires a massive effort by everybody because it's
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Speaker 5: not just police.
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Speaker 4: They're the front liners.
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Speaker 5: So you have to get in and do the hard
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Speaker 5: educative work with young children. You have to do the
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Speaker 5: work for recidivus offenders, perpetrators, you have to do the
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Speaker 5: work with victim survivors, all of that stuff, and that'll
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Speaker 5: cause call no cost money. So we've been calling federally
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Speaker 5: and finally I think everybody's now talking about it, so
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Speaker 5: I want to thank everybody.
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Speaker 4: I think the local media get it.
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Speaker 5: I said that last week, But nationally we've been ignored
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Speaker 5: in the territory and you can see with that heartbreaking
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Speaker 5: incident sixteen you know, out of the community, out of sight.
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Speaker 4: That occurred.
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Speaker 2: And what I found utterly astonishing is the fact that
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Speaker 2: a baby fourteen weeks old was allegedly murdered and that
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Speaker 2: was not even making headlines around the nation to begin with.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe it, which is.
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Speaker 5: Why we stepped up and we started speaking out a
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Speaker 5: lot more and we got national interest because that, you know,
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Speaker 5: I think Katie and I said it, if that had
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Speaker 5: been a white woman and her child on the Eastern Seaboard,
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Speaker 5: it would have been all over the front pages of
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Speaker 5: the news.
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Speaker 4: It just wasn't.
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Speaker 5: And it wasn't because the local media weren't reporting it.
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Speaker 5: It was because it was ignored. And I think it's
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Speaker 5: happened for far too long. Predominantly Aboriginal people are affected
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Speaker 5: here in the Northern Territory, Aboriginal women and children, and
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Speaker 5: they need their voices heard, and if it has to
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Speaker 5: be us doing that for them, then we all as leaders.
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Speaker 5: And it was really great this week because I think
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Speaker 5: the whole of the Parliament in the Northern Territory and
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Speaker 5: it looks like nationally now are speaking about this issue
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Speaker 5: as one and that's what we need to do because
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Speaker 5: it is just untenable that this continues as it has been.
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Speaker 2: Was that offender, alleged offender known to authorities.
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Speaker 5: So that information at the moment is being looked at.
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Speaker 4: My understanding is there's.
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Speaker 5: Not this great, big wrong rap sheet which we often
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Speaker 5: see of recidivius offenders. But it's early days yet, and
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Speaker 5: we're leaving the police to make that investigation because they
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Speaker 5: have to go through a forensic look at all of
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Speaker 5: you know, perhaps how if this could have been prevented,
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Speaker 5: that's the biggest question we should ask.
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Speaker 6: But was he was he actually a licensed firearm? Horus
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Speaker 6: hold word? Was he he not licensed? Our gun was not.
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Speaker 2: Legally This is a part of the police.
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Speaker 4: They've got to do that work they.
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Speaker 1: Are And do you think though as well?
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Speaker 2: I mean, part of the discussion earlier in the week
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Speaker 2: and late last week was, you know, there was really
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Speaker 2: very little detail that was known at that point in time,
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Speaker 2: and I understand that there is certainly a thorough investigation
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Speaker 2: that has to be gone through by the territory police,
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Speaker 2: but there was certainly a sense from some that information
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Speaker 2: was sort of being swept under the rug or not
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Speaker 2: much had come out.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that we need.
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Speaker 2: To come out stronger right from the get go in
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Speaker 2: a situation like this.
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Speaker 5: I think, Katie, you've got to have some precaution about presuming.
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Speaker 5: I like your choice of words, because we have to
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Speaker 5: use the words alleged all the way through. But I
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Speaker 5: think as soon as we were able to, we named
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Speaker 5: it for what it was. And you do have to
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Speaker 5: let the police do you would you would you know,
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Speaker 5: keep yourself, wouldn't you if let's say, for example, there
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Speaker 5: was a fourth person involved in all of this, and
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Speaker 5: the police allowed to do that, and forensically, you know,
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Speaker 5: we suddenly started, you know, naming the man and all
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Speaker 5: these sorts of things, and then it turns out there
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Speaker 5: was another party involved. I think you've got to let
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Speaker 5: the police do their work. At the same time, when
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Speaker 5: you've got enough information, you call it out and you
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Speaker 5: make sure that you speak up loudly. And that's what
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Speaker 5: we've done in this instance, and we will continue to
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Speaker 5: do it. We did it last year around the lady
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Speaker 5: in Alice Springs that got driven run. I've run over
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Speaker 5: and killed, murdered in the broad light of day, and
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Speaker 5: we called out then, but there was we didn't get
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Speaker 5: the traction there, and that was That's one of the
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Speaker 5: things that's really spurred us on this time.
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Speaker 4: We just have to keep doing it.
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Speaker 5: We have to bring our spotlight on it because otherwise
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Speaker 5: the federal government of any ILK can ignore us. And
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Speaker 5: up till now, I tell you, the previous government would
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Speaker 5: not give us needs based funding and we tried, and
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Speaker 5: we tried for a couple of years. So we have
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Speaker 5: to keep that because that's if they know that we
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Speaker 5: need it, they'll listen.
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Speaker 4: Katie. I'll think.
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Speaker 6: I understand the legal issues and everyone does surrounding these
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Speaker 6: kinds of cas but call it for what it is.
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Speaker 6: It was murder suicide, bottom line. The woman in Catherine,
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Speaker 6: she was murdered. They were killed, you know, same as
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Speaker 6: they lay. The woman in Alla Springs who was run over,
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Speaker 6: you know, she was she was she was murdered. She
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Speaker 6: was killed by being run over by a car. But
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Speaker 6: I think I agree with what Kate's saying and other
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Speaker 6: people have said it too. Is I feel and I
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Speaker 6: said a lot of my constitions because it was an
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Speaker 6: Aboriginal family, because it was an Aboriginal woman. Somehow it
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Speaker 6: doesn't count and it bloody well done.
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Speaker 5: Well look at.
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Speaker 6: Domestic my feeling from the southern world. There was that
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Speaker 6: case recently in port Headlen, and I don't know what
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Speaker 6: race or culture those people were, but a mother killed
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Speaker 6: her three children. No alleging about her. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 6: not in w A, so I'm probably okay. I mean
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Speaker 6: that was another case of and that was that was
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Speaker 6: the front pages. That was not only Western Stralia, but
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Speaker 6: it's everyone knows it was port Headlen, evern knows three
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Speaker 6: little children were killed. And even when you have cases
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Speaker 6: in Canada and America's there's been a case recently of siblings,
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Speaker 6: you know, killing fellows siblings, you know, and it hits
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Speaker 6: the press all around the country. But because I get,
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Speaker 6: this is the feeling I get, and I'll say it
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Speaker 6: if I'm wrong, good for saying it. If I get
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Speaker 6: called out. It's because she was Aboriginal and he was
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Speaker 6: an Abriginal man. And the little bubble was it somehow
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Speaker 6: doesn't seem it's not good enough as you suggest.
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Speaker 3: It's just been going up and up and up, you know,
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Speaker 3: I know labor had to check them for a while,
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Speaker 3: but it needs to be a biparlisan approach. Domestic violence
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Speaker 3: is a scourge across all our all communities and it
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Speaker 3: needs to be fixed. And it's just unfortunately it's been
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Speaker 3: getting up and up and up. I'm really and I'm
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Speaker 3: also a bit worried about where the alcohol is now
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Speaker 3: going to be available in some of these abrigal communities.
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Speaker 3: There's been fifteen odd years of no alcohol and the
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Speaker 3: consultation is going what's going on, we don't really know.
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Speaker 3: But what I'm concerned about is that these communities have
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Speaker 3: had no alcohol for fifteen years, and what rehabilitation services
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Speaker 3: are into those communities, What are there any places they
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Speaker 3: can go to? Has the work been done? The government's
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Speaker 3: known about this for the for the last ten years.
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Speaker 3: This was going to stop the federal We know it's
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Speaker 3: federal government legislation, but all these little things out up
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Speaker 3: because the bottom line is a domestic violence who has
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Speaker 3: been increasing and it's getting worse.
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Speaker 2: Well. It is something that we've spoken to since John
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Speaker 2: Patterson about earlier in the week. He'd spoken to us
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Speaker 2: about what he feels had been a lack of consultation,
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Speaker 2: but also concerns around what the ramifications in some communities
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Speaker 2: will be when it comes to alcohol being reintroduced into
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Speaker 2: those communities. As I understand that there was only seven
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Speaker 2: that decided to opt far.
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Speaker 1: So far there's a decided to talk out.
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Speaker 5: I know that are looking at it, but we've also
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Speaker 5: got to remember that an awful lot of places when
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Speaker 5: those restrictions were lifted, actually went back.
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Speaker 4: To being dry.
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Speaker 5: I think there's a couple of bits of information that
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Speaker 5: are really missing and this whole discussion about stronger futures,
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Speaker 5: and I think it's great that people like John Patterson
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Speaker 5: are standing up and saying that, but this has to
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Speaker 5: be place based. John's not one of those people that's
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Speaker 5: living on the town camps and Alice Springs.
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Speaker 4: He's not living an Elliott.
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Speaker 5: We have seen successive governments, you know, make decisions for
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Speaker 5: average and people on their behalf, and you can see
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Speaker 5: when you take away the power of decision making from communities,
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Speaker 5: you get the sort of.
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Speaker 4: Things that we're seeing now.
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Speaker 5: So we sit in here every week and talk about
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Speaker 5: antisocial behavior, we talk about alcohol abuse, we talk about
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Speaker 5: those things. But when your right to make your own
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Speaker 5: decisions is taken away from you, you are considered a
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Speaker 5: second class citizen in this country. You have not the
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Speaker 5: same rights in Papanna as you have in parap Those
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Speaker 5: sorts of things you then, these are the sorts of
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Speaker 5: things that they know happen to people in general. This
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Speaker 5: can happen to anybody. It doesn't matter the color of
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Speaker 5: your skin. When you take away people's rights to make
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Speaker 5: their own decisions, this happens. It's paternal, it is absolutely
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Speaker 5: And consultations have happened over one hundred and eighty and
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Speaker 5: rising everyday. Consultations have happened. But let me say, the
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Speaker 5: federal government could have stopped this. The federal liberal government
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Speaker 5: could have extended these powers.
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Speaker 4: They chose not to.
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Speaker 5: They dumped it on the Northern Territory and as a collective,
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Speaker 5: the Northern Territory government said absolutely no, we will not
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Speaker 5: continue a race based policy that disempowers people.
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Speaker 2: Are you concerned that the federal governments of you know,
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Speaker 2: the Labor Party could actually step in here? I mean,
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Speaker 2: you've had the likes of Marian Scrimdaw even stepping up
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Speaker 2: and voicing her concerns.
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Speaker 4: Look, Marian has had lots of briefings.
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Speaker 5: She can talk to her colleagues about the approach that
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Speaker 5: they would like to take. But all we can do
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Speaker 5: is do what's right for the Northern Territory and do
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Speaker 5: what's right for Obriiginal people.
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Speaker 4: We've got a long history.
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Speaker 5: Of the last Since twenty sixteen, local decision making has
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Speaker 5: been front and center all those agreements that we're rolling
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Speaker 5: out across the Northern Territory to empower people. This will
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Speaker 5: have been counterintuitive. What we have to do though, is
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Speaker 5: if where we see spikes, and I take your genuine point,
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Speaker 5: you know, we have to keep an eye on that.
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Speaker 5: I talk daily with the police around you know, what
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Speaker 5: are we seeing in an around Ola Springs.
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Speaker 1: Well, they're consecutive.
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Speaker 2: They were on the show, Yeah they're on so earlier
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Speaker 2: in the week and said that, yeah, that they are concerned.
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Speaker 5: We have to keep the foot on the pedal and
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Speaker 5: if the services are required in those town camps, then
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Speaker 5: it's on us.
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Speaker 4: To deliver those services.
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Speaker 5: There needs to be there needs to be decision making
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Speaker 5: by local community groups about what they do. And my
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Speaker 5: understanding is all those tan cramps in our springs which
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Speaker 5: keep getting spoken about.
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Speaker 4: Have all said no, we want to control it ourselves.
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Speaker 3: Right here, we accept that there should be local decision
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Speaker 3: making that's important for what I'm saying is that for
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Speaker 3: fifteen years been now alcohol and one of the wrap
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Speaker 3: around services are going to be We're going to know
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Speaker 3: the community and needs support, but what support has been
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Speaker 3: made available to them? Is it in their language? Do
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Speaker 3: they understand? Do they even know how to make a
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Speaker 3: opt in or opt out? They're the sort of concerns that.
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Speaker 4: See people have opted in, so people over one.
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Speaker 2: Hundred, we are going to have to well, we are
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Speaker 2: going to have to take a short break. You are
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Speaker 2: listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. There
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Speaker 2: is a lot to cover off on this morning and
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Speaker 2: coming your way next we are going to be talking
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Speaker 2: about that incident at.
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Speaker 1: The Woolworths CBD earlier in the week.
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Speaker 2: Well, it is just twenty minutes after nine o'clock if
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Speaker 2: you've just joined us. We've got Jared Maylee, Kate Warden
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Speaker 2: and Keisi Epuric in the studio with us.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: The situation that has indeed caused a stir around Darwin
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Speaker 2: and you know, right in the rural area as well,
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Speaker 2: absolutely everywhere around the territory, I think is what we
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Speaker 2: saw in the Woolworth CBD a little bit earlier this week.
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Speaker 2: Now here's a bit of the audio from what had
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Speaker 2: occurred earlier in the week. It was well quite chaotic,
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Speaker 2: I think, to say the least, to see those scenes
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Speaker 2: unfolding in Darwin, CBD. There has been a sixteen year
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Speaker 2: old who was arrested. I believe that teenage boy has
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Speaker 2: appeared in the Northern Territory Youth Justice Court over his
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Speaker 2: alleged involvement in an armed supermarket skirmish is what it
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Speaker 2: had been described now left shoppers terrified, there is no
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Speaker 2: doubt about that. We caught up with two women earlier
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Speaker 2: in the week who were there when it occurred. One
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Speaker 2: of those women was there with her child, her thirteen
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Speaker 2: year old child, and had spoken of man running towards
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Speaker 2: her with knives, then running away and running back again
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Speaker 2: towards her and her son with knives. We know that
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Speaker 2: there was somebody inside there allegedly sort of brandishing that
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Speaker 2: knife at others.
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Speaker 1: We then caught up with the.
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Speaker 2: Northern Territory Police who had said that it was understood
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Speaker 2: that they were a group from what Air who are
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Speaker 2: in Darwin from what Air as part of the unrest
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Speaker 2: that is continuing on obviously in what Air.
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Speaker 1: But I tell you what I mean.
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Speaker 2: If this isn't the lightning rod that we need to
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Speaker 2: make sure that something changes at this point when it
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Speaker 2: comes to our antisocial behavior, then honestly, I don't know
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Speaker 2: what it is. Because we've had elderly people in contact
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Speaker 2: with us throughout the week saying, Katie, I don't feel
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Speaker 2: safe to go shopping in our CBD. I've had mothers
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Speaker 2: with their children saying that they don't feel safe to
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Speaker 2: go into the CBD. You know, it's I don't know
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Speaker 2: what the answer is, but enough is enough.
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Speaker 1: It was terrible, ya, Katie.
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Speaker 3: Look, territory is are living in fear and unfortunately this
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Speaker 3: is not isolated case. It's happening right across the territory
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Speaker 3: in Alice Springs, Tenant Creek, Catherine in Palmerston, In through
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Speaker 3: the northern suburbs, in Casherina Shopping Square as well. There's
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Speaker 3: all sorts of cases about. You know, there's people going
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Speaker 3: there and getting getting abused and getting bashed, and unfortunately
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Speaker 3: it's bad for the community. It's bad for tourism, and
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Speaker 3: it's bad for business. And if we want to grow
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Speaker 3: our economy and get more people here spending money, who's
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Speaker 3: going to come back to the territory when they go
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Speaker 3: home and say, I guess what I saw happened in Darwin.
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Speaker 3: You know, there was knives, there was yelling, there's screaming,
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Speaker 3: his alarms, and it just seems to keep going on
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Speaker 3: and on and on, and unfortunately, tourism is a big
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Speaker 3: thing up here.
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Speaker 4: We know that.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's a good drive market and right now
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Speaker 3: and darn if you driven up and down the track,
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Speaker 3: there's great nomads everywhere. So just the effect is happening
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Speaker 3: on them, which in turn affects the economy.
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Speaker 2: I actually had a taxi driver contact us through the
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Speaker 2: week and said that after that incident had happened, he
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Speaker 2: had a family in the vehicle the next day.
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Speaker 1: They were at Wilworth's that that day.
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Speaker 2: Apparently whenever think it unfolded and they decided to end
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Speaker 2: their trip early. Now it's not good enough, It's simply
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Speaker 2: not good enough.
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Speaker 4: No, and it's having a ripple effect. And I think
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Speaker 4: you can see so.
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Speaker 5: Earlier in the year, you know, we had up to
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Speaker 5: about three thousand people here in the Darwin and Palmerston
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Speaker 5: area living rough. I think we've got to look at
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Speaker 5: the reasons that people are living gruff and a lot
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Speaker 5: of those.
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Speaker 4: Reasons are they've come in from where they are.
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Speaker 5: I think there's certainly an element of urban drift, which
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Speaker 5: is a longer term game for every government to have
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Speaker 5: a look at. But also people are coming into access services.
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Speaker 5: But we've seen that big disturbance also out at what recently.
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Speaker 5: There's been stuff happening at Yondermu over a couple of years,
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Speaker 5: and so people have chosen to come in. The thing is, though,
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Speaker 5: what they can do is they can come in. Living
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Speaker 5: rough actually is not illegal. It's actually the part behavior
16:46
Speaker 5: and you're not going to get any disagreement with me
16:48
Speaker 5: about the fact that that behavior is not good enough.
16:51
Speaker 5: So I can tell you that in response to what
16:54
Speaker 5: happened in the city and a number of other things
16:56
Speaker 5: that escalated in a very short period of time, the
16:58
Speaker 5: police have responded and they're working across all the government agencies.
17:03
Speaker 4: And I think one of the things.
17:04
Speaker 5: I heard yesterday excuse me, I heard them that that
17:09
Speaker 5: essentially people have stopped calling in. But can I really
17:13
Speaker 5: take the opportunity to urge everybody to call in, because
17:16
Speaker 5: if you see this stuff happening, what happens is it's
17:18
Speaker 5: intelligence for.
17:19
Speaker 4: Police if they might not be able to respond immediately.
17:22
Speaker 5: But if they then determine let's say that Wilworth's hot
17:25
Speaker 5: spot and there's a collection of people there, they're getting rowdy,
17:28
Speaker 5: there's things going on.
17:29
Speaker 4: Police can get in early and disburse people.
17:32
Speaker 5: We are working on a longer term way of trying
17:35
Speaker 5: to get people back to community, not just relying on
17:38
Speaker 5: return to country. But in February, you know, we had
17:41
Speaker 5: that three thousand odd people, but they really reduced that
17:43
Speaker 5: back down probably to about eight hundred. But I think
17:46
Speaker 5: we can agree there's been another spike now of people here,
17:51
Speaker 5: particularly in from what is and we've got to sort
17:53
Speaker 5: that out and get people to go back and that
17:55
Speaker 5: works being done.
17:55
Speaker 2: So what is being done right now to try and
17:58
Speaker 2: sort that particular issue.
17:59
Speaker 3: Because one thing, think you know, just the labor gouvernment
18:01
Speaker 3: just seem to react all the time there's a problem,
18:03
Speaker 3: they're going and react to it. What is being done
18:05
Speaker 3: to try and fix it? That's the question.
18:06
Speaker 5: Territorized work that's happening out at Wadire to fix the
18:09
Speaker 5: problems that are out there. One is, obviously the housing
18:13
Speaker 5: needs to be fixed so people can go back in there,
18:15
Speaker 5: but also people there's a lot of outstations. Outside of
18:18
Speaker 5: that people were traditionally living on. We're trying to get
18:20
Speaker 5: people to go back there and live on out stations,
18:23
Speaker 5: but they need those services. So about making sure that
18:26
Speaker 5: Wadia becomes what it was ever intended to be, which
18:28
Speaker 5: is a hub and spoke model. It doesn't need to
18:30
Speaker 5: be just the place that everybody lives on top of
18:33
Speaker 5: each other. And you can see that over many years
18:35
Speaker 5: and I'm talking thirty forty years, all of.
18:37
Speaker 4: The housing that's been constructed in what it's all.
18:40
Speaker 5: You know, people are living on top of each other
18:42
Speaker 5: in a vast land area and that's you know, there's
18:45
Speaker 5: lots of historical reasons for that. But what's happening is
18:48
Speaker 5: that we are looking at all of those services and
18:52
Speaker 5: how can you It may be as simple as you know,
18:55
Speaker 5: a bus run each week for people to come in
18:57
Speaker 5: and out and get their supplies, but we've got to
18:59
Speaker 5: change that whole region and that works being I can
19:02
Speaker 5: assure you that works happening, and on the front here
19:04
Speaker 5: in Darwen, we are working directly with people, so we
19:07
Speaker 5: need that intel.
19:09
Speaker 4: It's never a small enough thing. Please call it in.
19:12
Speaker 2: You have people ringing us saying that it in and
19:16
Speaker 2: they're not actually and they're not actually getting a response,
19:19
Speaker 2: so they aren't calling it in and then they're not
19:22
Speaker 2: getting a response.
19:23
Speaker 6: They're trying to because I've got people I know who
19:26
Speaker 6: live in the parme Scenaria and occasionally rural constituents, but
19:30
Speaker 6: more so the people I know in urban areas like
19:31
Speaker 6: Parmestan Is. They do call into police now not doing
19:34
Speaker 6: the triple zero one, but they're on whole for ten
19:36
Speaker 6: to fifteen minutes because there must be a resourcing issue
19:39
Speaker 6: within this. So then they give up. So then you're
19:41
Speaker 6: not collecting the data. They don't get a promised number,
19:43
Speaker 6: the police don't get the data. See, the police and
19:46
Speaker 6: the authorities can only act when they've got evidence. You
19:48
Speaker 6: can't just say social media is not social media's useful
19:52
Speaker 6: for not factual evidence.
19:54
Speaker 2: I feel as though we've reached a point at the moment,
19:57
Speaker 2: because you know, there's obviously the situation that unfolded at
20:00
Speaker 2: the Woolworths in the city, but then we also had
20:02
Speaker 2: a situation in Catherine yesterday or the day before where
20:05
Speaker 2: some kids were chased by a man unknown to them
20:08
Speaker 2: with a knife. A statement came out from the police
20:11
Speaker 2: on that one. We also saw in Alice Springs police
20:13
Speaker 2: arrested a man who allegedly seriously assaulted a woman before
20:17
Speaker 2: stripping naked and damaging a taxi in Alice Springs on Thursday.
20:21
Speaker 2: We've also seen, you know, the vision that's come out
20:24
Speaker 2: of you know, without going into specifics, people stripping naked
20:29
Speaker 2: in our city, you know.
20:31
Speaker 1: And and Katie, you've got.
20:33
Speaker 4: To just stand it.
20:36
Speaker 5: Than people living rough and antisocial behavior, that's people with
20:39
Speaker 5: significant mental health.
20:40
Speaker 2: But Kate, it's also if they've got significant mental health
20:43
Speaker 2: problems and they're on the streets of Darwin. It's actually
20:46
Speaker 2: a dangerous situation for everybody.
20:48
Speaker 5: Need to make an intervention for those people. But we
20:51
Speaker 5: also have and we are the first government that's ever
20:54
Speaker 5: done it. We've also got the facilities out at Baton
20:56
Speaker 5: Road which is a wrap around service with Mission Australia
20:58
Speaker 5: to address such issues and get people into.
21:01
Speaker 1: We've got everything that we need. Why are we still
21:04
Speaker 1: seeing the issues because people to people, we had a situation.
21:15
Speaker 4: So there's been a surge again of people coming in.
21:17
Speaker 5: We've had the displacement out of what A and I
21:19
Speaker 5: think we need to make sure that we not only
21:22
Speaker 5: do the pointy end stuff which the police are doing
21:24
Speaker 5: an amazing job of doing and picking up people and
21:28
Speaker 5: solving crimes as they happen.
21:30
Speaker 4: I see them every day, the amount of work that
21:32
Speaker 4: they do.
21:33
Speaker 5: But at the same time, you've got to look at
21:34
Speaker 5: those social factors and we're doing that way. Well.
21:36
Speaker 2: The kids just message through and said Katie. I can
21:39
Speaker 2: hear the Alice Springs residents from here screaming at the
21:42
Speaker 2: radio that the behavior at all words in Darwin is
21:44
Speaker 2: an everyday event in their town. Action is required now.
21:48
Speaker 2: And look, I think that that's what I'm getting at,
21:50
Speaker 2: is that, you know, the the incident in our CBD
21:54
Speaker 2: is I think it's a lightning rod for all of us.
21:56
Speaker 2: We go, holy moly, this is not behavior that anybody
22:01
Speaker 2: should be should be accepting. And I think we can
22:03
Speaker 2: all agree in this studio that none of us accepted.
22:06
Speaker 2: But we have also got a situation where it's certainly
22:09
Speaker 2: not isolated. You know, we had business owners in our
22:12
Speaker 2: CBD meeting late yesterday to discuss this very incident and
22:16
Speaker 2: discuss this very issue. While that was happening, somebody had
22:20
Speaker 2: to be apprehended by the police across the world. You
22:23
Speaker 2: know why that was happening, But we've also got the case,
22:26
Speaker 2: you know, in Alice Springs. Where as I'm saying, you know,
22:29
Speaker 2: this is this sort of thing, all this anti social
22:31
Speaker 2: behavior is happening on the regular, how can you expect
22:34
Speaker 2: to become our population or or you know, really try
22:38
Speaker 2: to make this place the beautiful place that we.
22:41
Speaker 4: All all love.
22:42
Speaker 5: And Katie, I can respond directly on the other Spring stuff.
22:45
Speaker 5: So we've been working really hard over the lot well
22:48
Speaker 5: since I became the police Minister on perhaps trying to tackle.
22:51
Speaker 4: That in a new way.
22:53
Speaker 5: So as of next week, we've got a very senior
22:57
Speaker 5: person leading up whole body of new workdown in Ourice Spring.
23:00
Speaker 5: And that's probably as much as I'll say about it today,
23:02
Speaker 5: but we are I've been acutely aware of issues in
23:05
Speaker 5: Alice Springs and watch them over a while. But now
23:09
Speaker 5: that I have both portfolios, I have now put the
23:12
Speaker 5: police and the youth justice teams together. That co location
23:16
Speaker 5: and cooperation of those two areas will take a little
23:20
Speaker 5: time to bed down, but they will be able to
23:23
Speaker 5: do earlier interventions with families with young people that are
23:26
Speaker 5: going off. We've done that in Alice and we're doing
23:28
Speaker 5: it up here out.
23:29
Speaker 4: Of the Nightcliff Police Station.
23:30
Speaker 5: So they're two straight away things I've been able to
23:32
Speaker 5: do with the talk portfolios, and now I'm going to
23:34
Speaker 5: I'm leading a new approach in Ola Springs. And one
23:38
Speaker 5: of the other things in Alice Springs is that I've
23:40
Speaker 5: been speaking to Priscilla and she doesn't mind me saying
23:43
Speaker 5: it publicly. Out of Naga, we are going to call
23:47
Speaker 5: together the vulnerable families out of Alice Springs in order
23:51
Speaker 5: to hear what they're saying and to say, well, you know,
23:53
Speaker 5: what sort of supports do you need, How can we
23:57
Speaker 5: better support you?
23:57
Speaker 4: And what job are you going to do? What i
24:00
Speaker 4: you going to do about your kids?
24:02
Speaker 5: Because seriously, in other springs, we never hear the voices
24:05
Speaker 5: of the family. We keep talking about them, and we
24:08
Speaker 5: keep saying we're going to do this and that to
24:09
Speaker 5: them family.
24:10
Speaker 4: The agreements, but what are they doing?
24:12
Speaker 5: So Narger have pleasingly said that they're really happy to
24:16
Speaker 5: help us and support us, and we'll and lead that peace.
24:18
Speaker 5: So that will be I'm asked for that those two
24:21
Speaker 5: pieces of work to be done urgently, and Alice and
24:23
Speaker 5: I have lots more to say about in the next
24:25
Speaker 5: couple of weeks, but.
24:27
Speaker 3: Meeting yesterday where you said there was more any social behavior,
24:30
Speaker 3: and I understand there was a lot of people there
24:31
Speaker 3: and some frustration. And this is an example. I understand
24:34
Speaker 3: no government ministers turned up at all, so this is
24:36
Speaker 3: an exacting There was people there talking about what's going on,
24:41
Speaker 3: and yet no one from the government. We did we
24:44
Speaker 3: people was on the radio. So did you show the
24:48
Speaker 3: government that I was actually.
24:50
Speaker 2: On my My understanding is that John who owns who
24:54
Speaker 2: called that meeting from John John said he'd certainly been
24:56
Speaker 2: in contact with Minister Kirby's office, is my understanding.
25:00
Speaker 1: And I want to get bombed down here because I
25:06
Speaker 1: actually think that this is so okay.
25:09
Speaker 6: Many years ago, when it was a labor government and
25:12
Speaker 6: they because Combat Scallus was the health minister, they wanted
25:15
Speaker 6: to put a secure care facility down in bees Creek
25:17
Speaker 6: and we objected and we had I was supposed to
25:20
Speaker 6: call a win, and con was very concerned that people
25:22
Speaker 6: hadn't been consulted and hadn't been explained properly. So background
25:25
Speaker 6: then a secure care facility went to Foundation Road, which
25:28
Speaker 6: is just before the level Male. My point is, if
25:31
Speaker 6: there are people who are obviously got mental health issues,
25:35
Speaker 6: clearly mental health issues. Why hasn't that? And I know
25:39
Speaker 6: the secure care facility is still their foundation road. I
25:41
Speaker 6: don't know if there's it's in Jerry's elect I don't
25:43
Speaker 6: know if there's any people residing in it or been
25:45
Speaker 6: cared for.
25:46
Speaker 3: But if there are.
25:47
Speaker 6: People who are clearly unbalanced, mental deficiencies, mental health problems,
25:51
Speaker 6: doesn't matter who or where they are, why are they
25:53
Speaker 6: not being basically rounded up, assessed and decided yes, you
25:58
Speaker 6: need a bit of care, you need to live in
26:00
Speaker 6: this facility for a period of time. Because I know
26:03
Speaker 6: it's there, and it's probably partially empty.
26:04
Speaker 4: So that's not it's actually a used facility.
26:06
Speaker 1: Is it used?
26:07
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
26:07
Speaker 6: But why isn't there another facility if it's clearly a
26:10
Speaker 6: mental health issue not a physical issue that you know,
26:12
Speaker 6: they're not starving, they're not macated.
26:15
Speaker 5: That courts actually do determine that around people and they
26:17
Speaker 5: manage through the county ward And.
26:19
Speaker 6: No, no, not county ward is just where they have
26:22
Speaker 6: to reside.
26:23
Speaker 4: For a period of time.
26:24
Speaker 1: You have to get or that you would.
26:26
Speaker 6: Have should be getting caught and well there is a
26:29
Speaker 6: process for that.
26:30
Speaker 2: Look, I do want to before we move along, I
26:33
Speaker 2: actually want to talk about the fact as well. With
26:35
Speaker 2: part of all of this discussion is, you know, the
26:38
Speaker 2: alcohol issues that we are saying now. We spoke to
26:41
Speaker 2: the territory police last week. I think it would have
26:44
Speaker 2: been we spoke further about alcohol police.
26:47
Speaker 1: Well, well that's you know, that is a good question.
26:49
Speaker 2: But you know, they had spoken about the fact that
26:52
Speaker 2: they feel as though they.
26:53
Speaker 1: Can't arrest their way out of this. I get that.
26:56
Speaker 2: I get that we've got CCTV for the CCTV now
26:59
Speaker 2: and they're people monitoring that CCTV to make sure that
27:03
Speaker 2: there are certain things that are not happening not only
27:05
Speaker 2: in our CBD, but also in Ollie Springs and other locations.
27:08
Speaker 2: But the real argument from a lot of people and
27:11
Speaker 2: a lot of territories. The lord mayors come out and
27:13
Speaker 2: said it, as have others, is that police presence and
27:17
Speaker 2: police on their segways, police in the streets. That visibility
27:20
Speaker 2: of police does make a huge difference. Kate, as the
27:24
Speaker 2: Minister for Police, are we going to see more police
27:28
Speaker 2: on our streets to try to combat some of these issues.
27:31
Speaker 4: So we have.
27:32
Speaker 5: Obviously increased police numbers significantly over our term, and I
27:37
Speaker 5: have had these discussions in the last couple of weeks
27:39
Speaker 5: and I in fact, I was out at the Royal
27:41
Speaker 5: Show and I chatted to the guys on segways.
27:43
Speaker 4: Out there because they were at.
27:44
Speaker 5: The show on the segways and discussed that very point
27:49
Speaker 5: about getting them back out and I have asked.
27:51
Speaker 4: For that to happen. I want them to be visible.
27:54
Speaker 6: But obviously what about police on horses they used to
27:56
Speaker 6: be in the city know that act.
27:58
Speaker 5: I think I saw the police on horse down at
28:00
Speaker 5: Katheen and spoke to them there about the fact that
28:03
Speaker 5: they still do that.
28:03
Speaker 4: It's certainly something I can ask.
28:05
Speaker 6: I haven't seen them for a long time and they
28:07
Speaker 6: did do not only just.
28:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we do have city Safe patrols going through
28:12
Speaker 5: that is in combination with the City of Darwin. Although
28:15
Speaker 5: I think that we pay for them predominantly they like it,
28:19
Speaker 5: but they don't want to have to.
28:20
Speaker 4: Pay for it.
28:21
Speaker 5: So you know, that's a long tradition between governments and
28:24
Speaker 5: local governments those sorts of arrangements. But we are doing
28:28
Speaker 5: everything that we can. But as I would say, Katie,
28:32
Speaker 5: it's really important. The police do do a lot of
28:34
Speaker 5: arrests and as they say, they can't rest their way
28:37
Speaker 5: out of it. This is a generational issue and we
28:39
Speaker 5: are putting everything in place that we can to try
28:43
Speaker 5: and not just work with.
28:44
Speaker 4: The current group.
28:45
Speaker 5: Can I just it'd be interesting, I just because this
28:48
Speaker 5: is a good show for putting these things out. At
28:50
Speaker 5: this we're seeing the tail end of the baby bonus here.
28:53
Speaker 5: And what I can say is that people don't have
28:55
Speaker 5: a talk about long game politics. But you know, Jared,
28:58
Speaker 5: you know, you and I both in and at different
29:00
Speaker 5: times we might be in governments and stuff and we
29:02
Speaker 5: make decisions. That's one of the things that's come to
29:04
Speaker 5: me as a government minister about making decisions.
29:07
Speaker 4: You must make a decision and think ahead.
29:09
Speaker 5: And I think that the consequences of and it was
29:13
Speaker 5: a John Howard decision around baby bonuses to pay people
29:16
Speaker 5: have kids.
29:17
Speaker 4: You can see now that a lot of people and possibly.
29:20
Speaker 5: All the wrong people had not all the wrong people,
29:22
Speaker 5: but you know, it was about population growth at the time,
29:25
Speaker 5: and I remember it well because about you know, a
29:29
Speaker 5: year with one of my children.
29:31
Speaker 4: About getting it.
29:31
Speaker 5: But you know, people got six thousand dollars I think
29:34
Speaker 5: a time per child, and you've got big families. It
29:37
Speaker 5: did address population growth, but you also had people that
29:40
Speaker 5: don't have those skills through territory families. We spent a
29:44
Speaker 5: lot of time investing skills. But this is a really
29:46
Speaker 5: good lesson in policy making and making sure that you
29:50
Speaker 5: tailor it and think about the longevity of policies, a
29:53
Speaker 5: bit like the intervention.
29:54
Speaker 4: What happens in fifteen years.
29:56
Speaker 2: Well, look, one other thing I do want to ask
29:58
Speaker 2: about before we move on is this two kilometer rule. Now.
30:01
Speaker 2: I know that Jered Mayley, you were yesterday saying that
30:04
Speaker 2: the laws making it an offense to consume liquor in
30:07
Speaker 2: public within that two kilometers of a licensed premises must
30:11
Speaker 2: be reinstated. Now, we spoke about this back in May.
30:14
Speaker 2: I believe it was after I'd spoken to the hospitality
30:18
Speaker 2: CEO about it through the week, and then Natasha Files
30:21
Speaker 2: before becoming the Chief Minister, was in the studio for
30:24
Speaker 2: the week that was and we spoke about it. Now,
30:26
Speaker 2: my understanding is that that two kilometer radius rule is
30:29
Speaker 2: still in place, but if somebody is drinking, the only
30:33
Speaker 2: measure that can be utilized is that they can get
30:36
Speaker 2: they can destroy the alcohol.
30:40
Speaker 3: Essentually, I can explain you've hit the nail on head.
30:43
Speaker 3: The two kilmer laws still exists, but the only remedy
30:45
Speaker 3: the police can do is tip out the alcohol. What
30:47
Speaker 3: we're saying is what the coop want to do. Case
30:49
Speaker 3: remember in two thousand and nine and the labor government
30:51
Speaker 3: cut this out so to make it an offense where
30:53
Speaker 3: the police can arrest if they want to. But we're
30:55
Speaker 3: talking about being a deterrent. The people go out there,
30:57
Speaker 3: they tip out the alcohol and then they walk off
30:58
Speaker 3: and they know they can't do any thing about it.
31:00
Speaker 3: The police are What we want to do is given
31:03
Speaker 3: another tool in the toolbox to be able to not
31:05
Speaker 3: arrest everyone, but if there's a person doing it constantly,
31:08
Speaker 3: to give them the power to go and make it
31:10
Speaker 3: a to terrance, so you don't go and drink in
31:11
Speaker 3: a public place and make it, get it arrested, give
31:13
Speaker 3: them a fine and get them off the street. Because
31:15
Speaker 3: if alcohol fueled anti social behavior is going through the roof,
31:18
Speaker 3: people just are sick of it and what you see,
31:21
Speaker 3: what you accept, and it's time to do something about it.
31:23
Speaker 3: Labor government have changed all we want to bring it
31:25
Speaker 3: back because territory are telling us that they're sick of
31:28
Speaker 3: alcohol field and sol behavior right across the tenter.
31:32
Speaker 5: So I think that that's you know, it's a good point,
31:34
Speaker 5: but that you know, Darwin Palmerston, but they're all dry areas.
31:37
Speaker 5: We've actually done more. It's beyond that. And yes police
31:40
Speaker 5: can pour it out.
31:41
Speaker 1: But the other thing in the city to put it
31:44
Speaker 1: really bluntly.
31:45
Speaker 5: Because there's a market happening, Katie, and I think that
31:48
Speaker 5: that's a huge amount of business.
31:50
Speaker 3: It needs to happen so terror to stop these people drinking,
31:53
Speaker 3: so and go to.
31:54
Speaker 6: The seconds finds for the bootleggers need to be excessive.
31:59
Speaker 1: Do you know what for this?
32:01
Speaker 2: If you're not actually supposed to be drinking in the CBD,
32:04
Speaker 2: then what are people drinking there?
32:05
Speaker 3: And because they know there's no deterrent, they know they
32:08
Speaker 3: don't get into trouble that you get tipped down and
32:10
Speaker 3: they go buy some more.
32:11
Speaker 4: Here's the point, Katie.
32:12
Speaker 5: Our jails get full with people on fines and that
32:16
Speaker 5: is a reason. People that are vulnerable, people that need
32:19
Speaker 5: a different response, and that is about getting them off
32:21
Speaker 5: our street and back to their communities or into some
32:24
Speaker 5: help around homelessness.
32:25
Speaker 4: Giving people fines and chucking them in.
32:28
Speaker 3: And giving a community service in the streets.
32:30
Speaker 5: What about a community service where we do do commmunity service,
32:33
Speaker 5: make them going to do something they can actually not
32:36
Speaker 5: just put them in jails.
32:37
Speaker 3: Don't accept that kind of work. We give them a fine,
32:39
Speaker 3: that don't will community service. Go find they're going to
32:41
Speaker 3: do community service.
32:42
Speaker 4: They do do community.
32:43
Speaker 3: Were not working because right now, if you get caught
32:46
Speaker 3: drinking in public, you can't get community service. Call you
32:48
Speaker 3: get our cool tipped out. That's it. So there's no
32:50
Speaker 3: community service.
32:51
Speaker 5: So you want to make it completely illegal for somebody
32:53
Speaker 5: that can't pay a fine to be fine, and then
32:55
Speaker 5: they've got and then you.
32:56
Speaker 3: Come I think community So I think what.
33:02
Speaker 2: He's saying, and I think the point that does need
33:05
Speaker 2: to be made is there does actually need to be
33:07
Speaker 2: a deterrent.
33:08
Speaker 3: For people if they're drinking.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is to that. I
33:12
Speaker 1: don't know.
33:15
Speaker 5: Alcohol, and they can still tip it out and I'll
33:17
Speaker 5: tell you if you are an alcoholic and the police
33:20
Speaker 5: come on and take away.
33:22
Speaker 4: And this is the point the secondary currency.
33:25
Speaker 5: Really let's ask the community if you know where secondary
33:29
Speaker 5: supply is coming from, then please let the police know.
33:32
Speaker 4: That's really really.
33:33
Speaker 5: Important because when I talk, when we've been talking about
33:35
Speaker 5: stronger futures, and we did just a moment ago, if
33:37
Speaker 5: anybody thinks that there was not drinking going on in
33:40
Speaker 5: places like the other Springstown camps when they were dry,
33:43
Speaker 5: or any of those other places.
33:44
Speaker 4: They're kidding themselves. I've spoken to the police in the Berkley.
33:47
Speaker 5: They're not actually overly concerned about Elliott not being dry anymore.
33:50
Speaker 5: What they're concerned about is what they've been concerned about
33:52
Speaker 5: for a long time, and that's.
33:54
Speaker 4: Black market drug boot alcohol, bootlegging.
33:58
Speaker 5: Over the borders for me side, because they've got porous borders.
34:01
Speaker 4: They are very very strong indict things that we need.
34:05
Speaker 3: To do something about it much rather put money.
34:07
Speaker 2: We need to do something and so that we are
34:15
Speaker 2: going to take a very short break.
34:17
Speaker 1: If you've just joined us.
34:18
Speaker 2: We've got Jered Maley, Kate Warden and Keesy Epiric in
34:20
Speaker 2: the studio this morning.
34:22
Speaker 1: Now, I do want to talk about.
34:24
Speaker 2: Well, the situation that we now find ourselves in with
34:26
Speaker 2: a by election in the seat of Fanny Bay. The
34:29
Speaker 2: date's been set for August twenty after the former Chief Minister,
34:35
Speaker 2: well Michael Gunner stood down. He stood down obviously as
34:38
Speaker 2: the Chief Minister a couple of months ago and then it.
34:40
Speaker 6: Never been seen since I'll let you say that, yes,
34:47
Speaker 6: messages do his risk assessment when he was on that
34:51
Speaker 6: cattle prop.
34:52
Speaker 1: No idea, no idea.
34:55
Speaker 2: But anyway, however you look at it, well he is
34:58
Speaker 2: he stood down. At what it means is there's going
35:00
Speaker 2: to be a by election. I think this is going
35:02
Speaker 2: to be an incredibly interesting by election.
35:05
Speaker 1: Yes, for a number of reasons.
35:07
Speaker 2: Now, firstly, it's going to depend who both party are
35:10
Speaker 2: pre selects, and that's going.
35:12
Speaker 1: To have a huge part to play.
35:13
Speaker 2: But I also think you know it's going it is
35:15
Speaker 2: going to be a bit of a test for Lea
35:17
Speaker 2: Finocchio's leadership in the fact that.
35:20
Speaker 6: And Natasha Files I think, yeah both, I wouldn't just
35:22
Speaker 6: target the seal pizza test.
35:24
Speaker 1: For both leaders Yep.
35:25
Speaker 6: To see very similar reasons and also very different reasons.
35:28
Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely So. It is going to be a fascinating
35:31
Speaker 2: one to observe. If you're a political observer like me
35:33
Speaker 2: and totally uninvolved in any way.
35:37
Speaker 4: I'm not going to get you on the Doge game anyway.
35:40
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to find out what everybody's talking about.
35:43
Speaker 1: I think I can guess.
35:44
Speaker 5: Michael's been in that seat for I think sixteen years.
35:47
Speaker 5: I've been working alongside Michael, I think for about twenty
35:50
Speaker 5: I had to think a lot the other day about
35:53
Speaker 5: casting my mind back about, you know, first working with
35:56
Speaker 5: him in jack our Kits office.
35:58
Speaker 4: You know, he'd been a man for a long time.
36:00
Speaker 5: He has put his heart and soul into Fanny Bay,
36:02
Speaker 5: and I know that when I came on as a
36:04
Speaker 5: local member, I've sort of looked at Michael in the
36:06
Speaker 5: way he's been, you know, with the people of Fanny
36:09
Speaker 5: Bay and very personal.
36:10
Speaker 4: I think in the territory we've only got just over
36:12
Speaker 4: five and a half thousand.
36:13
Speaker 5: People electric per electorate that vote. That's not all of
36:16
Speaker 5: you've got. You know, you've got people that can't vote
36:18
Speaker 5: in your electrics as well. But you know that he's
36:20
Speaker 5: been one on one with.
36:22
Speaker 4: A lot of people there.
36:23
Speaker 5: He knows he's been working with the Perrap business people
36:26
Speaker 5: for a long time. He's done some great changes through
36:28
Speaker 5: the schools in his whole electorate. He's he's achieved some
36:32
Speaker 5: really good things. I mean, just look back at Kringle Flats.
36:34
Speaker 5: I was working in housing, and before my time in housing,
36:37
Speaker 5: I remember there was some terrible incidents of anti social
36:39
Speaker 5: behavior actually in Kringle over a long time that triggered
36:43
Speaker 5: the you know, the end of Karingle, and he's really
36:46
Speaker 5: gone on and developed redeveloped lots of really good work.
36:49
Speaker 3: In that area, the roof at the moment, lots of things.
36:56
Speaker 3: There's been lots of labor failures in.
36:58
Speaker 2: Anyway, This isn't how, This isn't who are you going
37:01
Speaker 2: to vote for?
37:02
Speaker 1: For the Labor I just one know who's running.
37:05
Speaker 6: The other thing that will be critical in the outcome
37:09
Speaker 6: of this by election is clearly that major parties CLP,
37:12
Speaker 6: AOP will have candidates. But I think you'll find the
37:13
Speaker 6: Greens will put up a very good candidate because there's
37:16
Speaker 6: got a bit of a green underbelly in the Sea
37:17
Speaker 6: of Fanny Bay, like Nightcliff, and I think a lot
37:21
Speaker 6: of people who aspire to becoming a local member like Independence,
37:23
Speaker 6: will put their hand up. And then of course you'll
37:25
Speaker 6: get a few the nutters that put their hand up
37:27
Speaker 6: on a regular basis, and it doesn't matter where the
37:28
Speaker 6: seat is. But the critical thing will be the preferences.
37:32
Speaker 6: That's assuming that both major parties have a good candidate
37:35
Speaker 6: and they both poll well, Green's preferences tend to go
37:38
Speaker 6: to the Labor Party, so the cop are going to
37:40
Speaker 6: have to poll exceptionally.
37:41
Speaker 3: Well, it's almost two one.
37:45
Speaker 6: To stay ahead, to stay ahead of Labor, because if
37:48
Speaker 6: the preference flow is right, it normally does in most
37:50
Speaker 6: of our nightclists in particulars it is always has a
37:53
Speaker 6: high Green vote.
37:54
Speaker 1: The preferences from Greens tend.
37:56
Speaker 6: To go to Labor. So it's going to be critical
37:59
Speaker 6: for both major parties is to have really good candidates,
38:02
Speaker 6: well known and strong campaigns.
38:04
Speaker 1: Who are you tipping here that that's going to run off?
38:09
Speaker 6: I guess I already told my tip because this is
38:12
Speaker 6: the fellow I don't know personally. Ed Smelto's the counselor,
38:15
Speaker 6: because Michael Gunner came out front and center in the
38:17
Speaker 6: last council elections supporting him, promoting him. You know, Red
38:21
Speaker 6: T Shirt Brigade were there for him, and.
38:24
Speaker 4: He's actually just a down good but I can.
38:26
Speaker 3: Say he's a CEP. I haven't got anyone, And if
38:28
Speaker 3: you're interested in running for the seal, deprecation is.
38:31
Speaker 1: Open right now.
38:32
Speaker 3: It's going to clothes on Sunday, contact contract if you
38:37
Speaker 3: want to run.
38:40
Speaker 4: He's got no one.
38:43
Speaker 2: Somebody yesterday so I got told that Ben Hosking was
38:47
Speaker 2: out door knocking yesterday.
38:50
Speaker 4: Kotkey jaw.
38:52
Speaker 3: So ultimately we've got a lot of people applying, but
38:54
Speaker 3: we want more reply.
38:58
Speaker 1: I forget you either.
38:58
Speaker 2: I've also been told that the Labor Party that's there's
39:02
Speaker 2: a bit of a well there is somebody who's working
39:05
Speaker 2: in Nicole Madison's office.
39:10
Speaker 4: Democracy.
39:11
Speaker 5: So we've opened pre selections. They do close I think
39:13
Speaker 5: later today because we've had time for a left three weeks,
39:18
Speaker 5: isn't it So yeah, but I think Katie's going to
39:21
Speaker 5: I and I don't know the smell man.
39:23
Speaker 6: Good luck for m if he wants to.
39:24
Speaker 4: Do that good people but needs a lot of interesting
39:28
Speaker 4: It's going to.
39:29
Speaker 6: Come down to a very good type campaign by the.
39:31
Speaker 4: Major campaign with my tip.
39:34
Speaker 6: My tip is the COLP is in the running to
39:36
Speaker 6: take it because, as you've said before, Jared, the policies
39:40
Speaker 6: and the and the social upheaval that not only just
39:43
Speaker 6: the seat of Fanny Bay and all the other parts
39:45
Speaker 6: of the you know that electric, but elsewhere in the territory.
39:47
Speaker 6: And I think people take a by election to send
39:51
Speaker 6: a message. The daily one was a bit of an
39:52
Speaker 6: anomaly in my view, but people take the opportunity when
39:55
Speaker 6: there's a by election to send a strong message to
39:57
Speaker 6: the sitting government, so you know, it'll be interesting to
40:00
Speaker 6: see how you go.
40:02
Speaker 3: Social behavior is going to be very front end, so.
40:05
Speaker 1: I'll be watching very closely do everything that's.
40:08
Speaker 4: An unfold lived in that seat government.
40:10
Speaker 2: We are going to have to take a very short break.
40:12
Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four nine. It
40:14
Speaker 2: is just six minutes away from ten o'clock. But before
40:16
Speaker 2: we wrap up this morning, I do definitely want to
40:19
Speaker 2: take a look at these diesel and unleaded prices now,
40:21
Speaker 2: just to take you across and to take the panel
40:23
Speaker 2: across as well, to have a look at the terminal
40:25
Speaker 2: gate price in Darwin today for your unleaded it's sitting
40:28
Speaker 2: at a dollar sixty point one, so that's at the
40:30
Speaker 2: terminal gate. It continues to go down, so Monday this
40:34
Speaker 2: week it was at a dollar sixty three. When you
40:36
Speaker 2: go across to the Bowser Well one locations at a
40:39
Speaker 2: dollar ninety three. All of the others are at a
40:42
Speaker 2: dollar ninety nine. So I'll just let you ponder that
40:46
Speaker 2: that gap there.
40:47
Speaker 1: Those margins.
40:48
Speaker 2: Now, let me take you across to the terminal gate
40:50
Speaker 2: price for your diesel today in Darwin a dollar eighty
40:53
Speaker 2: five point six. On Monday, it was at a dollar
40:57
Speaker 2: ninety two. Those prices continue to go down at the
41:00
Speaker 2: terminal gate. Now when you go across to the Bowser
41:03
Speaker 2: the Fairest, you'll find it about two dollars nineteen. It
41:06
Speaker 2: then goes up to two dollars twenty five, all the
41:08
Speaker 2: way up to two dollars twenty nine. Now, what I
41:11
Speaker 2: will say is that over the course of the week
41:14
Speaker 2: we have been banging on about this, those prices have
41:17
Speaker 2: gone down probably about four.
41:19
Speaker 1: Cents over the course of the week.
41:21
Speaker 2: Now, as you can hear, those margins are massive. Now,
41:25
Speaker 2: I did have one of the smaller retailers contact.
41:28
Speaker 1: Me through the week. They're an independent retailer.
41:31
Speaker 2: They didn't tell me which one, but essentially they said
41:34
Speaker 2: that they've got to add transport onto their costs because
41:37
Speaker 2: they have to purchase their petrol from one of the
41:39
Speaker 2: larger retail or one of the larger companies is my understanding.
41:44
Speaker 1: But you know, these prices.
41:46
Speaker 2: We're meant to have a fuel excise in place of
41:48
Speaker 2: twenty two cents, and they're still that high.
41:51
Speaker 1: I said it during the week.
41:52
Speaker 2: I reckon, we need to do what New Zealand did
41:55
Speaker 2: about a week ago. Their Prime Minister Jacindra Adurn came
41:58
Speaker 2: out really strong and said these spectral companies need to
42:02
Speaker 2: please explain their margins.
42:05
Speaker 3: Katie. What we did the COLP this week in Parlam
42:07
Speaker 3: we gave notice that we're going to introduce a bill
42:10
Speaker 3: called Fuel Price Disclosure Bill, which is essentially going to
42:14
Speaker 3: force the fuel retails to disclose their profits because there
42:18
Speaker 3: is what forty cents odd difference between when you buy
42:21
Speaker 3: it and when you sell it, and ultimately in the
42:23
Speaker 3: ACE Triple C said if that information is disclosed, it
42:26
Speaker 3: may force those companies to bring down fuel costs. Because
42:29
Speaker 3: we know that the territory has got the worst performing economy.
42:31
Speaker 3: Delights have told us the Jine Report concepts come out
42:34
Speaker 3: the fifteenth I think quarter will last. So we're our
42:37
Speaker 3: cost of living here in the territory is over the top.
42:40
Speaker 3: We've got the charity of distance as well, because people
42:42
Speaker 3: got to drive a long way, specially in the rural
42:44
Speaker 3: area to go shopping. So every little cent makes a difference.
42:46
Speaker 3: So that's what the COLP doing about it. We kind
42:49
Speaker 3: of try and get this to bring fuel prices down
42:51
Speaker 3: because it's hurting a lot of territorium.
42:53
Speaker 5: Do you think that Katie that there is a lot
42:54
Speaker 5: of factors in here. I would welcome the a Triple C,
42:57
Speaker 5: and I think they've threatened it before and it be
42:59
Speaker 5: really I would welcome the coming in and actually doing
43:01
Speaker 5: an investigation. And because they've actually got an impromata to
43:04
Speaker 5: do that, it would be awesome if they did.
43:07
Speaker 2: There's nothing stopping our Chief Minister from sending a letter
43:10
Speaker 2: to these spectral companies and saying, please explain it.
43:13
Speaker 4: This has been done actually well.
43:16
Speaker 5: So one of the issues in the Northern Territory is
43:18
Speaker 5: much more complex than just to straightforward make sure you
43:21
Speaker 5: tell us you know you're actually biting the people at
43:23
Speaker 5: the end that are trying.
43:23
Speaker 4: To obviously make a living try.
43:26
Speaker 5: Absolutely so are we, but we have one fuel distributor
43:30
Speaker 5: in the Northern Territory who makes it very tricky. We
43:32
Speaker 5: also have a lag and I was listening yesterday to
43:35
Speaker 5: somebody on radio talking nationally. One of the biggest issues
43:39
Speaker 5: we've got, and it's totally uncontrollable, is about.
43:41
Speaker 4: What's going on overseas that's influencing this.
43:44
Speaker 5: But I do think, you know, a Triple C has
43:46
Speaker 5: the power to do exactly what Jared is saying, come
43:49
Speaker 5: in and talk to those and I was the chair
43:52
Speaker 5: of the Public Accounts Committee. We did an investigation. We
43:54
Speaker 5: bought all the fuel companies in we investigated all of
43:57
Speaker 5: the information that they gave us.
43:59
Speaker 4: Around where they were.
44:01
Speaker 5: The one thing that worries me is that so many
44:03
Speaker 5: of those fuel prices are exactly the same.
44:05
Speaker 1: That's exactly this is what I'm saying, A.
44:07
Speaker 3: Triple see your website.
44:10
Speaker 5: So the A triple C actually has a role to
44:13
Speaker 5: play in collusion. So that says to me that if
44:16
Speaker 5: you're saying it's one ninety nine zero point five as
44:19
Speaker 5: you can see on your screen, then that ultimately that
44:22
Speaker 5: needs to be investigated.
44:23
Speaker 1: So but wait for the A triple C.
44:27
Speaker 2: Let's you know, we don't even hate to go the
44:29
Speaker 2: whole of the immediate counters of the legislation. Yeah, but
44:31
Speaker 2: those chief ministers sitting up power to make the power though.
44:35
Speaker 1: To ask them to please explain why.
44:37
Speaker 3: The processes talking about is that forty cent difference? So
44:40
Speaker 3: you know, we're not talking about overseas. You know what
44:43
Speaker 3: the market is. But what's saying when you buy it
44:44
Speaker 3: and then you sell it and you make forty cents
44:46
Speaker 3: profit per leader, and that's not including we've still got
44:49
Speaker 3: the exercise, you know, dealing later on. So what about
44:51
Speaker 3: that right now? That's about something the territory government can
44:54
Speaker 3: deal with right now if they want to do that,
44:55
Speaker 3: if they had their political will, which obviously they don't.
44:57
Speaker 4: You had a couple on there that are lower than others.
45:00
Speaker 4: I mean, I'd be.
45:01
Speaker 2: Very happy they haven't been that much lower throughout the week.
45:04
Speaker 2: They might be today a couple of them are cent
45:06
Speaker 2: or two. Do you know what it's It's hardly worth
45:09
Speaker 2: people's while in some cases striving.
45:11
Speaker 5: So my thing is, I think the Age triople c
45:13
Speaker 5: needs to come in. They've already got the legislation that
45:15
Speaker 5: allows them to do it. They should come in and
45:17
Speaker 5: ask for a please explain and make sure there's no
45:18
Speaker 5: collusion going on, which when you see all those prices
45:21
Speaker 5: are exactly the same, they absolutely have a role to
45:24
Speaker 5: play this.
45:25
Speaker 6: People tend to think of fuel prices and adding the
45:28
Speaker 6: cost to you know, the things that we humans consume,
45:31
Speaker 6: But it goes across the board and a lot of
45:33
Speaker 6: people aren't, you know, like steal for example, and transportation
45:36
Speaker 6: and house buildings. Even the contractors who sell hay for stock,
45:40
Speaker 6: like I get the large roll bales of hay, which
45:43
Speaker 6: tews you about. They vary from seventy five to eighty
45:45
Speaker 6: dollars a bail. They're those massive ones and Jared knows
45:47
Speaker 6: about them. And I got to order in the last
45:49
Speaker 6: week and the fallacy. Look, I'm really sorry, but I
45:51
Speaker 6: have to put them up to eighty five, he said,
45:53
Speaker 6: because specifically because of fuel. So that goes across the community.
45:57
Speaker 6: People don't see that, but it goes across all the
45:59
Speaker 6: race industry, truck trucking.
46:02
Speaker 3: The past. Can I ask the question before we go?
46:05
Speaker 5: Just like on Wednesday the CLP said they were going
46:08
Speaker 5: to introduce this bill and on Thursday there was no bill.
46:11
Speaker 4: So where's we're.
46:13
Speaker 3: Going to introduce it? Just like normal sittings when.
46:17
Speaker 5: Somewhere a process or you would normally introduce it on
46:19
Speaker 5: Thursday and we haven't seen it anyway, So your flag
46:22
Speaker 5: that hasn't happened. I think the age Triple ce can
46:24
Speaker 5: come in straight away and do something.
46:25
Speaker 1: So well, is the government going to right to the
46:27
Speaker 1: triple to ask them to do that.
46:28
Speaker 4: I can do that tomorrow to make sure that we
46:33
Speaker 4: invite them in.
46:33
Speaker 5: And I think there was they did talk about doing something,
46:36
Speaker 5: so maybe they have already got something in hand, having
46:39
Speaker 5: had a lot of experience in here in this space
46:41
Speaker 5: around the Public Accounts Committee.
46:43
Speaker 4: It's not as easy as you know them profiteering. There's
46:46
Speaker 4: lots of layers.
46:47
Speaker 5: And you know, we do have a price leg so
46:49
Speaker 5: the people that the one distributor here buys it a
46:52
Speaker 5: certain price and they have to get all of that
46:54
Speaker 5: out of about.
46:55
Speaker 2: We did speak to a to an expert in this
46:57
Speaker 2: space earlier in the week and he said that the
46:59
Speaker 2: lag that is happening at the moment, explained, it's too long.
47:03
Speaker 1: And that's where I reckon.
47:04
Speaker 2: If you're able to write to the a trible c
47:06
Speaker 2: and ask them to have a look into it, but
47:08
Speaker 2: I think as well even asking them to you know,
47:10
Speaker 2: if there are reasons for this.
47:12
Speaker 1: Then I'm all is.
47:13
Speaker 2: But at the moment, you know, it's a really big
47:15
Speaker 2: gap and I think that that territories do deserve the
47:18
Speaker 2: right to know what those reasons are.
47:20
Speaker 1: But that's it.
47:21
Speaker 4: We've run out of time.
47:22
Speaker 1: We've actually run over time.
47:25
Speaker 2: Have you all in the studio? Jared Bailey, the Deputy
47:28
Speaker 2: Opposition Leader, and thank you. Kate Warden, the Member for
47:32
Speaker 2: Sanderson and also the Police Minister and Minister for domestic
47:35
Speaker 2: and family violence and plenty.
47:36
Speaker 1: Of other poros prevention and Jill Price is of you
47:43
Speaker 1: the one thing to say.
47:45
Speaker 6: Remember last year and I said these visitors came to
47:47
Speaker 6: stay and they wouldn't.
47:48
Speaker 1: Go away back again.
47:49
Speaker 3: They're still here.
47:50
Speaker 6: They've come back, family, Lynn and Mail. They've come back.
47:54
Speaker 6: They call Boomerang kids. Can't keep them away.
48:00
Speaker 4: Enjoy. We are going to have to.
48:02
Speaker 1: Leave it there.
48:02
Speaker 2: Thank you all so very much for your time this morning.
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four nine. It
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