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INTERVIEW: Bozoma Saint John Talks 'On Brand With Jimmy Fallon', Getting Engaged, Real Housewives + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Every day up waiting, click your ass up the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: You don't feelsh for y'all done morning. Everybody is DJ
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  Speaker 2: Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy we are the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: Law La Rosa is here as well. We got a
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  Speaker 2: special guest in the buildings. Back again, ladies and gentlemen, Bozama,
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  Speaker 2: Saint John, Welcome back.
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  Speaker 3: How you feeling being here? I feel great.
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  Speaker 2: You're feeling good. Yeah, last time we spoke to you'all
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  Speaker 2: know you were we were talking about you were moving
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  Speaker 2: because of the things that happened with your house and
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  Speaker 2: the house burned down. So just give us an update
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  Speaker 2: of what happened with that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's been a crazy time.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's like I think, like everybody else,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the new year came, It's like, oh twin
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  Speaker 4: twenty five, gonna beat my year. And then seven days
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  Speaker 4: later my house burned down in Malibu, and I was like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and the challenge of the house is that
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  Speaker 4: it was really my dream house. I fought hard for
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  Speaker 4: that house. I was actually just reading something about Harry
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  Speaker 4: Belafonte who was trying to buy a property in the
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  Speaker 4: nineteen fifties an apartment here in Manhattan, and they were,
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  Speaker 4: you know, trying to keep him out because obviously he
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  Speaker 4: was black, and I was like, damn, Like you know,
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  Speaker 4: seventy years later, I was facing the same thing in Malibu,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And so it was really
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  Speaker 4: really devastating, but you know, God grace grit, some tears,
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  Speaker 4: some anger, some lawsuits, because sometimes you gotta take it
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  Speaker 4: to your lawyers, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: What insurance they was just I'm sure they didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to say, will cover it.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's in trouble, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look, there was so much damage, so many
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  Speaker 4: people who didn't have who lost everything that I don't
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that it's possible.
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  Speaker 3: You know, to recover, and so sometimes you just gotta
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  Speaker 3: you know, get a little mean with it.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to rebuild.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 4: I've only been there twice, you know, because it's it's very,
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  Speaker 4: very hard, you know, to see it. So the first
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  Speaker 4: one went, it was like all in rubble, and then
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  Speaker 4: I went back a couple of weeks ago and it's
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  Speaker 4: like all cleared out now, so you can see the land,
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  Speaker 4: and it's just a tough thing because I look at
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  Speaker 4: it and I'm like, man, but if I leave, like
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  Speaker 4: when do I come back?
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  Speaker 3: You know, like when when do I get another opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: It was so hard to buy it, So it's just
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  Speaker 3: like I.
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  Speaker 2: Said, it so hard to buy it. They don't let
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  Speaker 2: black people buy it, meaning that.
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  Speaker 4: It was as an argument I had. I had to
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  Speaker 4: put a trust inside of a trust so that nobody
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  Speaker 4: could find me. Nobody would know that a single black
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  Speaker 4: woman was buying a property on the beach front of Malibu,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So did you actually go see the house? So you
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  Speaker 2: know you couldn't go see the house because they would
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  Speaker 2: see a black woman come to that house.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: I went to see the house like sort of undercover,
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  Speaker 4: you know, pretending my house, just sight seeing, and then
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  Speaker 4: sent my real estate agent, who's a wonderful little Jewish woman.
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  Speaker 3: Love her to death, and sent her to go to
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  Speaker 3: go do it.
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  Speaker 4: And my business managers, uh, you know, put my trust
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  Speaker 4: inside of trust, and I have somebody who signed stuff
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  Speaker 4: for me so I don't never have to show up.
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  Speaker 2: And that's how I got people really care, like when
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  Speaker 2: they're selling a property, they're making money, right, I don't
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  Speaker 2: care Black green yellow. Look.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I could answer that question, but they really
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  Speaker 4: do care. It's wild because even after we had closed,
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  Speaker 4: the former owner tried to put a clause after the
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  Speaker 4: contract was done saying that he could have access to
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  Speaker 4: my beach.
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  Speaker 3: Really my house.
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  Speaker 4: You gonna be walking audacity, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I own this.
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  Speaker 4: House now you no longer own it, and if you
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  Speaker 4: come as trespass that we'll call the cops on you.
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  Speaker 3: How has your family been really good?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like my daughter who's sixteen, really loved the house,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and it's it's a it's a it's a
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  Speaker 4: hard thing to go through, you know, grief upon grief
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  Speaker 4: is a hard thing for sure.
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  Speaker 3: But we're managing you.
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  Speaker 5: You also, since we last thing, you got engaged.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I knew this is why I want to
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  Speaker 4: see Lauren today because last time I was here, we
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  Speaker 4: were talking about me and my man, and then I
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  Speaker 4: think you said, like, you know, are you guys?
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  Speaker 3: Is he gonna propose?
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  Speaker 1: Because it was I think it was your birthday trip
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  Speaker 1: And when you posted, I was like, she they are
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  Speaker 1: so happy, they are so in love, Like I love
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  Speaker 1: this for her.
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  Speaker 4: Remember I told you to go call him. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: never called. You called, and then the proposal happened.
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  Speaker 2: You know how you did he had any friends for
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  Speaker 2: you at the time when you was looking, because she
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  Speaker 2: was looking, she was looking at me, looking hard.
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  Speaker 5: Looking hard.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, and God, do whatever he needed to do.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm in a great is good amen Amy?
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  Speaker 3: Look But back to.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so last time you was here, we talked
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  Speaker 1: about it, were like, you know, I do want to
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  Speaker 1: you know, family is my thing. Yeah, and then a
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  Speaker 1: surprise proposal happened and you I read the People exclusive
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  Speaker 1: it said you were actually surprised.
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  Speaker 5: But I find it hard for you to be surprised.
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  Speaker 4: It's very difficult to surprise me. I mean, because like, look,
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  Speaker 4: first of all, I feel like I'm psychic. Next, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I see people's movements and I'm like, why do you
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  Speaker 4: say that?
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  Speaker 3: Why did you do that?
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  Speaker 4: Now, the thing that tipped me off a little bit
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  Speaker 4: I knew something was happening was that he's a traveler.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we both love to travel a lot, and
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  Speaker 4: we exchange voice notes and video messages constantly all day long.
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  Speaker 4: And we had gone to London for my sister's wedding
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  Speaker 4: and afterwards I had to return home to continue filming
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  Speaker 4: the real houseits of Beverly Hills, and he said he
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  Speaker 4: was going to stay in Europe and just travel around
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  Speaker 4: a little bit. And so he's like in Rome, he's
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  Speaker 4: sending me videos of his tour. He's in Paris, he's
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  Speaker 4: like doing all these things. And then he's like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna stop by Mumbai. And I was like, India, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, yeah, I've never been with him, gonna go.
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  Speaker 4: So I was like, okay, you know, So he goes.
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  Speaker 4: He was there for a week and I was getting like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, messages, but they were always from his room
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  Speaker 4: and or like he would be outside and you know,
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  Speaker 4: so I was like.
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  Speaker 3: Why would he be in India? Now? The thing is
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  Speaker 3: these two rings that I wear constantly.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I got both of them in India on different trips, right,
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  Speaker 4: and they were kind of like my own like you know,
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  Speaker 4: I love myself type ring because I you know, I
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  Speaker 4: didn't I hadn't purchased expensive jewelry for myself before. And
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  Speaker 4: the and this band I actually bought from Prianca Chopra's
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  Speaker 4: jeweler when I went to her wedding and so I
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  Speaker 4: love India first jewels, first gems, all that stuff. And
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  Speaker 4: so that's when I was like, is he in India
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  Speaker 4: to get me some like the ring? That was the
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  Speaker 4: only thing that kind of my spidy senses were going
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  Speaker 4: that wasn't sure, and you know, you know, you don't
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  Speaker 4: want to ask all the way. So when he proposed,
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  Speaker 4: I was surprised because I wasn't expecting it. And then
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  Speaker 4: when he said he'd been in India for my ring,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, my spidy senses weren't wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I will tell you the fact that boze Man was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm traveled. I'm going to Rome today, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going to stop down.
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  Speaker 5: I'm really happy for you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned earlier like you know, even with
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  Speaker 1: your daughter and you dealing with grief. On grief, it's
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  Speaker 1: like you know, your ex husband and then your house
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  Speaker 1: and it's like kind of like watching a fairy tale
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  Speaker 1: play out. So like, I'm happy to see that for you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it's been like, because sometimes too,
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  Speaker 1: I think when people go through such hard hits back
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  Speaker 1: to back, they shut down. They don't want to open
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  Speaker 1: up to stuff like that. I don't know what that's
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  Speaker 1: been like for you as well.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the thing is that I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: you can get a wound and then you don't want
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  Speaker 4: to repeat that same pain. You try to avoid it
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  Speaker 4: at all costs, you know. And so I think for me,
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  Speaker 4: part of it has been for sure, like trying to
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  Speaker 4: understand how to heal my grief, but also having some courage,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and being like, you know what, I could
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  Speaker 4: hurt before, but I'm gonna do it again and it
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  Speaker 4: won't hurt this time, you know. And that's the only
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  Speaker 4: way to actually move forward is that you have to
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  Speaker 4: tell yourself that, otherwise you will be in a cave.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not even like judging anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Who's like lost a partner or like to death or
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  Speaker 4: any other way and they feel trapped, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: feel like I can't get out of my own way.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even blame them for that, because I certainly understand.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I love love, and I love happiness and
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  Speaker 4: I love joy, and it is an active thing that
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  Speaker 4: I'm doing every day.
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  Speaker 3: To choose it.
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  Speaker 2: Did he ask your daughter first? Or did he did
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, because he hold on, let me
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  Speaker 2: talk to my daughter.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, well, contrary is a popular belief.
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  Speaker 4: I am a traditional woman in that way that he
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  Speaker 4: flew to my father and asked him for my hand,
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  Speaker 4: asked my mother, and he.
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  Speaker 3: Asked my daughter wow before asking me. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like checking with all my people, everybody, all right,
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  Speaker 3: then you.
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  Speaker 1: Are all right?
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Now do we have any other little bosmus that
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  Speaker 1: we should that we need to be right right right?
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  Speaker 4: No, not not now, but we are interested. And so
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  Speaker 4: I have been on a fertility journey for the last
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  Speaker 4: six or seven months.
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  Speaker 3: It's been really tough, you know, because I'm forty eight,
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  Speaker 3: I'm almost forty nine. You look good, Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Jesus, thank you, everybody look And I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if you know you've you've ever experienced it, but
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  Speaker 4: it's like going through the hormonal journey, you know, taking
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  Speaker 4: the medication, taking the injections, like getting the checkops, getting
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  Speaker 4: the eggs extracted.
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  Speaker 3: It is such a difficult process on your body. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's like not just the gaining weight and the bloating,
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  Speaker 3: but it's like the emotional rollercoaster. And I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: do a million thanks and no you know.
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  Speaker 5: What I mean. So much going on on top of
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  Speaker 5: all your other businesses.
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  Speaker 4: You yes, and so it's like this and it is
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  Speaker 4: a dream because unfortunately when I was pregnant. I've been
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  Speaker 4: pregnant twice, and the first time I was pregnant, I
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  Speaker 4: developed preclamsya early and unfortunately my daughter didn't survive her birth.
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  Speaker 4: I also was had preclamsya with Layelle's pregnancy, and it
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  Speaker 4: was just traumatic, you know. Both experiences were terrible, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and thank god that Layelle survived and she's such a
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  Speaker 4: wonderful person and she gives me hope for the future.
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  Speaker 4: But I have to say that for the last fifteen years,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I'm not going back there. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not going to try that again, you know. And it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't until I met Kiely and he doesn't have any
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  Speaker 4: kids that he was like, you know, should we try?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, ooh, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: That's I don't know if I can do it. And
• 10:40
  Speaker 4: he was like, well, maybe we need to get a
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  Speaker 4: second and third and fourth opinion. And we found this
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  Speaker 4: amazing doctor, this black woman who deals in fertility.
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  Speaker 3: And she was like, yeah, we can do it, we should,
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  Speaker 3: we should try. I was like, Okay, this is the.
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  Speaker 4: Last shot because girl's about to close up shop up here,
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  Speaker 4: So let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's try and see what happens.
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  Speaker 2: For people that don't know, how did you meet Keiley?
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  Speaker 2: How did y'all?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, so this is a crazy story. How much time
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  Speaker 3: do we have? Let me let it breathe.
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  Speaker 4: So, as I said, I choose love, but it's been
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  Speaker 4: difficult because I also don't want to bring any just
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  Speaker 4: random old people into my life, especially with my daughter.
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  Speaker 4: And I was in a relationship that I thought was
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  Speaker 4: going to be you know, it was like finally after
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  Speaker 4: like twelve years, like oh my gosh, this is going
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  Speaker 4: to be it, and unfortunately ended terribly.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he stepped out.
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  Speaker 4: There was a lot of betrayal, a lot of broken
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  Speaker 4: heart going on, and I was in the middle of
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  Speaker 4: trying to gather the pieces of my heart and also
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  Speaker 4: try to figure out what I was going to do
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  Speaker 4: next with my career because I had retired from corporate life,
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  Speaker 4: published my.
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  Speaker 3: Book, and then I was like in this down period.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like I had a broken heart and I
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  Speaker 4: couldn't figure out what to do with my career, and
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  Speaker 4: I decided I want to start my own business, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in hair and beauty, and so I I just poured
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  Speaker 4: my whole self into it.
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  Speaker 3: And I knew that I wanted to call the business Eve,
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  Speaker 3: after my first daughter, and also after the fath that
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  Speaker 3: of course, even the Bible and even science is the
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  Speaker 3: first woman.
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  Speaker 4: And she's from Africa, so come on, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean. So I was like, okay, that's gonna be
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  Speaker 4: the one. And as a marketer, I'm always looking for inspiration,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in visuals and stories, and I did a
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  Speaker 4: lot of research about Eve, and I was looking for
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  Speaker 4: pictures of a black Eve comet find none, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, they were all pale and red headed. Can't we
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  Speaker 3: tell you? Is the only other one?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: The only one?
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  Speaker 4: And I found through the work, I found this artist,
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  Speaker 4: Harmonia Rosales, who's a black Cuban woman. She came she's
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  Speaker 4: come to fame because she has taken like the old
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  Speaker 4: master's work, like da Vinci and Michelangelo and recreated them
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  Speaker 4: using black or Rishia's from West Africa. So basically it's like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's a famous painting called the Birth of
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  Speaker 4: Venus and she redid it and she put a black
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  Speaker 4: oshun in the place of Venus, because that's where they
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  Speaker 4: got it from. You know. It was like all of
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  Speaker 4: those Greek and Roman gods and goddesses came from the Risius.
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  Speaker 4: And so I found her work because she has a
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  Speaker 4: new project coming.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my God, I gotta go
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  Speaker 3: see it.
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  Speaker 4: So I flew to Atlanta where she was having an
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  Speaker 4: exhibition at Spelman and made friends and I was like, yo,
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  Speaker 4: I want to be a collector of your work. Like
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  Speaker 4: I was so in love with it, and I'll cut
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  Speaker 4: right to the end. I a few months later, I
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  Speaker 4: went to her home for a private showing and Miss
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: Tina's up in there, you know, everybody's at Lebron. Everybody's
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: in there, you know, trying to collect her work. And
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: her husband pulls me aside and he's like, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Harma's been working on this piece. She thinks it's yours.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, her wit list is like two years long.
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  Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, shoot, let me. So she
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  Speaker 4: takes me to the Baptist studio. She unveils it and
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  Speaker 4: it's a painting of Eve in the center of the painting,
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  Speaker 4: and I like, I just broke down to tears because
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  Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, this has got to be a sign.
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  Speaker 4: And so we're talking, we become much more friendly. Her
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  Speaker 4: husband says, hey, look like, you know this is kind
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  Speaker 4: of inappropriate, but you know, what's up with your love life?
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  Speaker 4: Like you're such a dope woman like this and that.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I want to talk about I don't
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  Speaker 4: have I don't want to go there. And he was like,
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  Speaker 4: look like I know somebody who's interested in you because
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  Speaker 4: they saw a picture of you from the showing that
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  Speaker 4: we did in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, who's that. He's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's my uncle.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, now do I look like I did uncle?
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  Speaker 4: Because this man is grown. I was like, oh, it's
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: given uncle here.
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  Speaker 3: And it was funny because I was sitting.
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  Speaker 4: I was sitting with my friend Ayushahines, who's an actress,
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  Speaker 4: and she was like, girl, you probably want.
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  Speaker 3: To see the uncle. First. I was like, I want
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  Speaker 3: he an uncle, But then he went to his Instagram.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, because we're black and the
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  Speaker 4: thing is our families sometimes uncles are like two years older.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Uncle was the right age and looked good and it
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  Speaker 4: was killy, and so he introduced us and the rest
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  Speaker 4: of sister. That was the first date, the first day great,
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  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, the first date. He lives in San
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: Diego and I live in Los Angeles. Well, girl, let
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: me tell you, because the first and second date were fantastic,
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: and then he asked me on on the third date
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, you know, I'm gonna be
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: in Ghana for December and Christmas. I'm like gone for
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: like a month. And he was like, all right, then.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: I'll come to Ghana, girl, and the man. Yeah, and
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: he flew to Ghana and we had our third date
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: on New Year's Eve and I would propose right there,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: right there we go. Yeah, So he's wonderful. That's wonderful.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: Yes, but thank you.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Happy.
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: Well, you talked about the kind of talked about it
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: for me, because if if you wanted to, he would.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: That's right, right, that's right. Okay.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: So your new show on Brand with Jimmy Fallon on NBC,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: because I know you were filming for that show while
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Kili was getting the whole surprise engagement together, so it
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: all kind of ties into where you are now wise too.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it's such an amazing thing, right, yeah,
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: because the thing is you know, over the course of
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: my career. And it's weird because of course, like you
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: look at my resume and people are like, oh my god,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: this amazing resume. You worked at Pepsi and Apple and
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: Netflix and Uber like all these places. But when I
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: tell you that the moves from place to place, people
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: were not supportive.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: You know, they'd be like, why would you leave this
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: job to go over here?
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Like when I joined Uber as a chief brand officer.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: I was the head of global marketing for Apple Music
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: and launched it right. People were like, why would you
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: leave Apple and go to Uber because at the time
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: it was famed and it was like, you know, headed south.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: And I was like, look, this is where like my
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: intuition is calling me, but that's where I got to go,
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: and I don't care what your opinions are.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I did that over and over and over again.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: And when I joined The Housewives, people were like, yo,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: you're going to destroy your reputation, like you you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: you're in the Hall of fame, Like why would you go.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Fight women?
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: And I was like no, but do I have to
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: do that?
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like that's what I need to do,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Like why can't we showcase a different type of woman
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: on this show. And it was in the first episode
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: of The Housewives where they were, you know, basically going
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: over my career and my resume, and Jimmy's wife was
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: watching the show, and unbeknownst to me or anybody else,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Jimmy had had been trying to sell this show to
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: NBC for two years and it's a marketing reality competition show,
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: kind of like Apprentice or Project Runway, et cetera. And
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: when he was pitching, they told him that he needed
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: somebody to legitimize the show, and so he met with
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: a bunch of cmos.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Nobody was really clicking until his wife was like, Yo,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: this woman bows right here. She's on Housewives.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: And he was like, oh, I don't know if I
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: was looking related for that kind of woman, you know,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: that kind of person. But he watched the season he
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: was like, you're great, and so he called me. We
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: had a meeting and it just felt like the perfect
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: culmination of everything. You know, It's like, I have twenty
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: five years of corporate experience in marketing. I know how
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: to manage the brands, like I know what a pitch
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: looks like. And even in the episodes that were filming.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: There was an example of Southwest, which was one of
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: the clients on the show, where the assignment was to
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: wrap a plane. And what's crazy is that fourteen years
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: ago when I or twelve years ago when I joined
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Beats and was running Beats Music, the way to get
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: you know, a lot of people to hear it was
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: to put it into airplanes, right, and no one would
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: do it except for Southwest, And then in my marketing
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: with them, I was like, you know what, in order
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: for people to see it, I.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Want to wrap the plane. I put headphones on all
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: the planes.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: And so we're standing there and they're giving the assignment
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: to these contestants, like okay, you got to wrap the
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: plane a Southwest plane and talk about more leg room.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I did that a twelve
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: years ago, you know what I mean.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: And so for me, it's been an incredible just it
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: feels like divine alignment. You know that I've done the business,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: done the work, I'm on TV. I understand how to
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: be fast and.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: What it takes to be in front of the camera,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: and so this was just a perfect marriage of all
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: those things.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I love it so all right, So I want to
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: talk about the show, because I do know some questions
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: about the agency, but tying real housewives into the show,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I don't. People we're surprised, not surprised because y'all have
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: talked about kind of mending. But when we saw Kyle
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: post your billboards, oh yeah, she's yeah, excited to be
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: happy for you. Yeah, so in real life, like once
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: you guys do things like the reunions and the show
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: is over, and then because it seems like y'all are
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: up and down, what's your relationship with her in real
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: life when these things happened, Because then she's posting the
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: billboard right right, right?
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, so cool again.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. These feelings are all real.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: That's the one thing I didn't know going into the
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: show was that if you are, you know, not feeling somebody,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: you're not feeling them.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: For real, you know what I mean.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: And I think the other thing that confuses people about
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: these shows, and I didn't know that when I went in,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: is how much time, how much intense time you're spending
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: with them.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like we filmed for three and a
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: half months.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: You're spending eight hours day, six days a week with
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: these people, and it's not like you go in and
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: you're like, oh, what's the weather?
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Like, No, you're like, what's happening with your divorce? You
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: And you're talking deeply about these things, and so of course,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: like your emotions get caught up in it, and you
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: to know people so much better than you.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Would in your regular life.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: I mean at that time, it's like, look, I talked
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: to my I have three sisters, and I was selling
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: them less than I was talking to these women every day.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: And so last year Kyle and I had a tough
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: time because I just felt like she should be more
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: open and honest about her life. I was like, hey, look,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: we're all sharing, you know, like I'm going through a
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: lot and I'm sharing, you know, why did't you share
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: what's going on with you? And the thing is that
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: like if we are meant to get to know each
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: other or meant to be friends, like if you're gonna
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: keep it light with me, then I'm keeping a.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Light with you, right, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: why am I going to tell you all my business?
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: And you don't want to tell me anything? And she
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: felt a way about it because I said she was cold,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: you know, but that was the truth.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: That was the experience I was having.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: But in this current time, we've crossed that bridge, you know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: and I think maybe to you know, give her some grace,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: it is that she also is going through a hard
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: time and she wasn't necessarily open to being like, oh,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: here's a new girl, let me just tell her everything.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: And not everybody's the same, you know. Drek was very
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: open with like all of her drama.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: And so, yeah, we became closer, and I was in
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: as close to Kyle, but we're in a much better
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: place now. And so the joy that she feels about
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: my success in this show with Fallin is real.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: On the show, you're basically like tag teaming with Fallon,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: but he's the boss of the agency and you are
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the chief marketing officer, right yeah, So I mean you
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: explain how you got there, but how real are like
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the campaign? So I've only watched some of the first episodes,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and I know they're really dealing with the brand you
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: guys are.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: Working with Dunkin Donuts in the first episode. Are they
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: really taking these strategies and actually applying them or is
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: it just for the show.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, And That's the hard thing is that they're spending
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: millions of dollars.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: So after I leave here today, I'm going over the
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Dunkin Donuts because the episode that just aired was about,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: you know, essentially recreating what the like a deal would be.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Right you walk into dunk Donuts, you want a breakfast deal?
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: What is going to look like? And it is in
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: the store right now, you know.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: And Dunk like spend millions of dollars on this campaign,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: and every single brand that comes uh does that.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: And so these are real briefs.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: They have real business issues that need to be solved,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: and so you know, it's like they're they're trusting us
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: as much as we are putting faith into what these
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: creatives can do.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: It was so so wild, Like you said that last night,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I get at night when I have six kids, right
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: so at night, when the kids are sleeping, I just
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: have random thoughts kind of like like you do sometimes.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: And my random thought last night was like, look, if
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I was trying to get in the marketing industry, in
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the commercial industry, I was like, what I would do
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: is I would shoot commercials for every brand I could
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: possibly but I would and I would like, listen because
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I'm watching the Yankee game. I would like I would
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: do a commercial Yankees to get more people in the seats,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and I would just post it. I said, I would
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: do every brand. One brand's gonna hit me, one brand
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: hit me. And I'm thinking about, so, why don't why
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: don't some of these kids that are getting out of college,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: why don't they do the rill of marketing like that what.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: You do, what you do with you know, that's true.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: And you know what's so crazy about that is that
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: regardless of the company I've worked for, I've always been
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: pitched like and when people know that I work there, right,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: because I've been a public figure in the business world
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: for some time, and so if they know, it's like, oh,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I'm the chief marketing officer of Netflix. You know how
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: many films and TV shows I've been pitched over the.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Years, A lot? You know.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: When I was at Apple, people like, oh, you know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I got a new idea for some technology, I got
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: a new app that I want that I want to
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: pitch you you know. Or at Pepsi people would be like, Oh,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I have a new drink flavor, not Meg Pepsi.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: No that discussion, you know what I mean? Like everybody
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: has ideas, and so you're absolutely right.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know why people don't take it upon themselves
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: to be like, you know what, let me, let me
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: try something, let me like put some creative out there.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: And this is what now the show is doing, is
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: that these folks aren't like they're not practiced industry leaders.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: You know, there's a swim instructor in there, there's a
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: real estate agent in there.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Because you can get it, not like before you need
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the camera and you needed a camera and had to
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: know you can do everything on your phone. And like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: you said, if I'm looking for a business, I'm like,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: if I do twenty commercials, hopefully if they're good, one
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of those twenty people.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, And I think that's the opportunity right now,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: and I'm actually hoping that that's what happens. Like people
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: will see this because the only challenge with like up
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: and doing something.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Is that if you don't know what the brief is,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: you don't know what the business's.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Strategy is or what they're they're trying to accomplish, you're
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: gonna miss the mark.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Even if you have a great creative idea.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: But in this case, it's like we're actually telling you
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: this is what Duncan Donut's trying to do, This what
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Southwest is trying to do, This is what Kitchen Ad
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: is trying to do. And so I'm like, every week
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: you should be like doing your own pitch and posting
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: it and engaging and tagging everybody in it and being like, hey,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: kitchen Ad, I got a better idea than these ten
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: people that are on the screen, you know what I mean, Because.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Now you heard the strategy, you might as well like
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: try and hit it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: So for me, it's like this is a real opportunity
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: for new people to get into the industry, into the
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: idea of marketing.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Going back to what you said when you said you
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: were you were at Netflix and people were trying to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: pitch films, or you were at you know, Pepsi. Somebody
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: had a different flavor they wanted to pitch you every
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: single time. What was the process to that? Like, yeah,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: what was it just no, or you gotta email somebody
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: or whatever.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, What's the hard.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Part is that before it was almost impossible, you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: it was impossible for me to get into the building,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean that, Like, I mean I
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: crawled through the window in order to get into those rooms,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: and it wasn't like, you know, anybody opened the front
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: door for me, right, And so it's like, yeah, sometimes
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: you you know, I would see a great idea or
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: hear a great idea, and I'd be like, all right here,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: call me, you know, or email me. Most of the
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: time the ideas weren't great because yeah, they didn't know
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: the strategy, and so it's impossible to then have the idea.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: But it's it's interesting.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: There have been a number of times where I remember
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: at PepsiCo, there was a janitor who would often be like, hey, life,
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: you know, ideas, you know, and he eventually is the
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: one who created flaming hot Cheetos.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Or did I see a doc? You know what I mean.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: It's like, so the ideas really can't come from Itford,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: but you kind of have to have some insight into
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: what's happening on the business in order to make happen. Now,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: the good thing about this current time is that most
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: brands aren't keeping their strategy behind closed doors. If you
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: go on their Instagram, you're probably gonna figure out their
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: strategy real quick. Yeah, you just see who are they targeting,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: what is the message that they have. What's the tagline?
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's almost easy. So to Envy's point,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: it's like you should have the gumption, you know, to
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: try it, Like that's the way grates are made.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: It's like you try and if you don't succeed, where
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: they say, try and try again.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Do you think AI is hurting a lot of the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: jobs that require thinking right? Because I can see somebody saying, yeah,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Bo's is good, but she's gonna cost us too much
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: money dunkin Donuts marketing? What were Bose doing? And it's
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: gonna come up with something that they've seen you do
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: before and they based it off things. So do you
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: think that hurts the industry because a lot of people
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: they live and die by AI. I mean got AI artists,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: You got so many, right, I know.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Here's the interesting thing about AI. First of all, I'm
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: not afraid of AI. You know, I've worked in tech
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: for a decade and all of the companies that were
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: always pushing the limits. I mean, look, I was at
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: the cusp when we started doing personalization and algorithms, so
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, It's like it was scary
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: for people.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: They're like, why do you know so much information about me.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: I'm like, because you'll be mad at me if I
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: give you Metallica when you're looking for Snoop Dogg.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: But whatever, Now everybody's used to it, so it's okay.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: It's the same thing with AI. It's like, look, we
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: use it constantly. Anyway it's been used. Now it's like
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: in the hands of consumers, and so it feels a
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: little scary or it feels like, oh my gosh, it's
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: gonna take this job or that job. But honestly, it's
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: been in existence for some time. And on top of that,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: you got to remember that AI uses information that already exists.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: It doesn't create things that don't exist in the world.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: And so that's where I feel like humanity is at
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: its best. Like we are the dreamers, we're the imaginers.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: We're the ones who are thinking about what could be
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: the possibilities. AI doesn't have that option, and so it's
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: pulling from data that already exists and then putting it
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: together and then sort of guessing and estimating what could happen.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: You know, there's this idea of like a hallucinating AI
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: right or chat GPT where it's like it makes up
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: something because there's no space, you know, and it's usually
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: not accurate. And now I'm not saying that AI is
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: not going to get better. It certainly will, and perhaps
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: at some point it's going to do a good job
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: of predicting. But I still think that from a creative standpoint,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: there are nuances that are going to be hard to
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: solve in tech that humans can do.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: The only problem with AI, the biggest problem I have
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: with AI is a lot of people don't fact check right.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: They think AI is right, And I can't And I
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: can't hate on this too much because I think I
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: would do it too. When I'm in college and you
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: have to write a paper, right, you had to research, Right,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: you have to go to the library, or you have
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: to look it up, you have to google. You had
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: to find out what the information is.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, think about it like this.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: You have your daughter here, right, she could just say
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I have to write a paper on this that it's
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: gonna give you having ten pages, Yes, as a smart student,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: all you got to do is go through the ten
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: pages and change pretty much it's done.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: But how does that help you?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: It doesn't because you're not necessarily learning the subject you're
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: not learning, you're just printing, and you getting an A
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: on a paper? Does that help you in the long run.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: See, now here's where I have a controversial point of view.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: I actually do think it's it's good because it is like,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: and this is why I disagree when people say that
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: they don't want to give their kids iPads or have
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: them on the computer or this and that, because I'm like,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: but then you are depriving them of understanding how to
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: cope in the world.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: That does that, you know.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: So the point is that AI, Chat, GPT, all these
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: programs are here to stay. And so I would prefer
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: that my daughter understand how to utilize chat, GPT, AI
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: and all these other programs and get the right answer
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: because you're only going to get the right answer if
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: you put in the right questions.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: And so she doesn't have that practice, in ten years,
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  Speaker 3: she will be lost.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Because everyone else out here would have perfected how to
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: get the right answer out.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Of AI and she won't know.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I would have been in college.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Yes, But now that's a challenge for professors, right and
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: teachers it's like, Okay, how are you going to modify
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: the way that you teach so that you can make
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: sure that your students are retaining information and knowing how
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: to utilize these subjects. Because look now I'm gonna I
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: already told you. I'm forty eight years old. When I
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: got to college, we didn't have a computer lab. Okay,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: there was no there was no such thing a college.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: You go.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Look, we were in college around the same time computer
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: that was.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: No computer lab.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: I was there when the computer lab opened and you
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: had to sign up on the sheet, you know what
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: No, Look, it didn't exist. It did not exist, and
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: so you have to go to library with the encyclopedias.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Yet to hell, do you know what I'm saying? It
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: was terrible.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: But even on that, from that standpoint, right, you don't
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: want you don't think it's important for kids to know
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that part of it.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: To your found it's like what if no, because.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: You think about it because.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: All technology technology, we know with one it's glitches.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's shut down.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: They can be taken away.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I know it's here to stay.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: But like say, if it's it's.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: A glitch or something or something don't go right stuff,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: then stuff definitely can go wrong. We would need to
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: be able to know how to go and search for
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: stuff in books or whatever.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: You know, but I believe, I believe in humanity.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I'm like, if something happened and all technology failed, I
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: think we would find our way back. You know.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: However, I do believe that tech is here to stay.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: So my example with like going to the library and
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: looking through the encyclopedia is that once Google was at
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: our fingertips and search engines ride our fingertips. When was
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: the last time you looked in encyclopedia? You know, you
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: need to understand how to search for the right thing
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: and get the right answer and discern what is truth
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: from fiction. Now that's the skill you need today. You
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: don't need to understand how to like find lamas in
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: the excited encyclopedia. You know, I need to know that
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: a lama does not look like a now paka, you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: when I search for it on Google, and if I
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: see a picture of the two, I can discern which
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: one is which. And that is the trick that we
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: need to instill in our children and in educators and
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: everybody else.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Is that, like, we've got to teach the new skills.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: We can't just depend on what happened fifteen years ago.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: You could take a picture of animal right now, put
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: in chagy. What is this exactly?
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: That's crazy?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Fact great? Tell me?
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: And also, what is this bump on my toe? Tell
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: me what that is?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: That's what it is? Dangerous? You got a bump on
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: your toe?
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: You think it's cancer and you should take your ass
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: as a doctor, you know what I'm saying.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Abnormal and you died yesterday.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: You didn't know, then that's your fault.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: There's a woman on the show speaking of age and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: different like just eras knowing no because look, there's a
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: woman on the show, and one of the things that
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: stuck out from me for me with her was she says,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm here and I'm doing this at
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: fifty Ye are marketing agencies hiring younger because they expect
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you to know all the stuff y'all just talked about.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: Is that so people are getting aged out of hiring?
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: For sure?
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: For sure?
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Because the thing is that marketing and a lot of
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: creative industries are young people's game, you know, because I
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: think the challenge with being older and more mature is
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: that you've lived life and so you censor yourself, you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: you'll be like, oh, this idea is not good because
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: I tried it twelve twelve years ago and it didn't work,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: or like, oh I saw this other person do it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: You know, you ever met like a seventeen year old
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: with an idea. Yeah, lookin it's the best thing to
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: ever happened. And it probably is, you know, because they
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: have gumption and they have imagination and they are fearless
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: because they haven't seen it fail. But us, you'll be like, oh,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: try and do this new thing. I'm like, ah, that's
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: not gonna work because syz thing. It's not gonna work
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: because we already tried it. Meanwhile, the seventeen year old
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: is like, I'm gonna try it.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know any different.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: And so yeah, I think the creative feels and for sure,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: marketing and advertising is geared towards younger people, but you
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: do need the maturity of time to be able to
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: have discipline, you know, and be like, Okay, look, here's
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: a business problem. We got to focus on that. And
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: so that's why I feel like it kind of balances
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: itself out because you need more mature people who have
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: time on the books to be able to drive the
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: business any young people who are fearless to come up
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: with the ideas.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: Were you at all nervous?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I know you guys talk about marketing and numbers and
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: stuff on your show, but were you at all nervous
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: when all of the Kimmel stuff was happening. Oh yeah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: because I know you guys bring some of those structual
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: holes onto your show. Ye're like, dang, I just got
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: this jump.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, of course, I mean I think we
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: should all be worried about everything.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. I'm like, yeah, for sure.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: When it's like Colbert got fired and then Kimmel got suspended,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I'm like, looking at fam, I'm.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Like, hey, you know what I mean, what you do?
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: What you talking about?
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: And the thing that I respect about him so much
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: is that he definitely wasn't trying to censor himself.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: He's like, Hey, this is what I do. This is
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: all I know.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: I've got to keep going. And I respect that because
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: for me, it's like, look, I've been in playing rooms
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: where it would be easier not to be black, it'd
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: be easier not to bring my perspective that is so
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: unique to everybody.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Else's in the room.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: But you do it anyway, even though you know somebody's
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: going to be like, ah, you said the wrong thing
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: and you should be fired, you know what I mean
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: threats I've had around that, and that had nothing to
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: do with the president, you know. And so I feel
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: like at this moment in time, there is so much
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: to be concerned about, and I wish that more people
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: were anxious about that and saying like, well, how do
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: we make sure that we protect all of these areas
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: that we've created so that we can actually continue to
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: be creative, to be funny, to be a little outlandish,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: you know, without having to censor.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I feel you I got one last Housewives question. Okay,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: take a left turn. But I just thought about this Garsel.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I'm following you guys after she left. Oh gosh, yeah,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: so she really didn't follow y'all. That wasn't like a
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: fan theory.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: No, why you know, that's a really hard question. I
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: wish I knew. I really do.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Like it's not even like me being politically correct, like
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: I wish I knew. When I went on Watch What
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Happens Live with Andy right after she decided to resigne,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: and you know, he asked me how I felt about
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: and I was like, man, I just I wish he
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: didn't because I would like to actually work out whatever
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: the challenges were that she was having on the show
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: or with me personally, right, And it just you just
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: don't have that option. And so it's a lot like
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: having a breakup where you don't get access to the
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: person anymore and you kind of have to have closure
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: on your own.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: And a lot of times people are like, oh, they're
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: not over.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: The thing because they didn't get their closure, But I'm like,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: you could close that door yourself too, So if that's
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: what she needed to do, then good for her. I mean,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: I still follow her, I'm still interested in what she's doing.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I'm still cheering, but.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: Try to reach out to her and talk to her. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: yeah I did nothing.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: No no, no, she responded. But it wasn't It wasn't like, oh,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: let's go, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, no.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: I was just like, hey, look like I wish you
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: the very best, you know, and I want you to succeed,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: and I wish this would have worked out.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: And she said thank you, bos and that you know,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: that's it. So it's amicable. Yeah, I do have a question.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Now you're engaged. Yes, how much you think y'all gonna
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: spend on the wedding?
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Oh god, A lot of money, a lot, because I
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: want two weddings. Well, we want two weddings. I'm sorry, okay, yes,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: well we want one. We both want one in l A.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: I really want one in Ghana. So we're gonna do both.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: And it's gonna cost a lot of money.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, who paid for that? Well, we both do.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: This.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Man said that you got the wedding. I took.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I flew for the third day.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: You got the wedding the same to go get.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: The ring, get the ring and move by.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know he knows who he's married.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, there's no surprises, there's no surprises, like we're gonna
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: do it big.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want everybody there, Jesus Christ, if you.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: Just got engaged. And he about to oh.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: That's the thing, Yes, you're gonna have to pay for
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: in Greece, and my god, yeah, so yeah, you're gonna
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: have to pay for that.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: You see, he doesn't look because he's already counting the spots.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of money, and and his daughter and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: heard want to get married at the same castle that
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the cases was married.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I got married twenty four years ago.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I got to do. Yes, there's a lot of money.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, that's just I still got to do.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, renovated exactly. We need a hunter of racks.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Racks.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's the that's the starting price of just you
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm just getting the things.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Was like, we give you I'm gonna do damns.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: I don't mind spending, you know. I just feel like
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: these moments are they are so special? You knowing so hard, yes, yes,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: and been through so much.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I want to celebrate. I want everybody to
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: be there. I want to have a great time, and
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna spend the money to do it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, if you extra workers on the weekend, I can help.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I need the money. Same if you have a dog
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: up the door, you know. Love wedding.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the contradey you know, I mean you
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: might need a host of the reception just to do
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the comedy.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: See, this is what I'm talking about. You know, Black people,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: we need to we need to work invoices.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I'm just talking would work here, definitely, no favorite.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: You know I love that. I love it because I
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: do believe in paying for your friends businesses. You know
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: what I mean. Support your friends.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: I loved and support.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred thousand and now.
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• 41:52
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• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I love you so much.
• 42:05
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• 42:09
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