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HIST 402: Defensive Greats Carved In Hokie Stone · Boundary Corner Podcast

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Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast.
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I'm Curtis Wilson on this side of the RV.
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A on the west side, on the east side.
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I've got Ryan Siegel. How's it going, buddy?
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Hey buddy, he's be a saying. We used to work together in
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corporate when technology works. It is wonderful.
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Yeah, I mean wonderful. But when that should messes up,
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dude, it hamstrings you a little bit.
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Just a little bit man. We plan on starting this
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recording about what 35? Ago, give or take 35 minutes ago
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but due to some technical issues, half of my cocktails now
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gone around. I was working diligently on this
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and trying to get things going. I've only consumed about a
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quarter of mine. The good news is I did grab a
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tallboy ham so I have a little bit more than I'm used to back
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up is ready. Backup is ready.
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Also well, guys, Texting and having a lot of fun.
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Last few days. You've been good.
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I'm good man. We've been leaving throwing
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some. Some names back and forth.
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I would say that that would be the the polite way to put it.
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We've been throwing a lot of names back and forth and some
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have a debate on a couple things over here, man.
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Oh for sure in case y'all didn't know it's a defense Mount
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Rushmore week so is welcome but welcome.
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But before we get into that and the stories of how this list was
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comprised, got a few things I want to hit.
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People brought before I get into the football stuff.
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Have you watched shits Creek? I have not.
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It's on the list. Everybody says it's Al area so
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I'm sure I'll get to it. Holy God, hilarious me and the
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wife about 10 days ago, we were kind of okay, what can we find
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you? We've been watching some more
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dramatic dramatic stuff. So like let's get away and in we
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both had heard of it. Like let's do it.
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We're like in the season for dude, hilarious show Eugene.
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Levi, Catherine, O'Hara. I mean, just crack you up.
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Chris tell you, it's in it and it is worth it.
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It's one of those things where they have been several nights
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where it's like right at 10 which normal time we go to sleep
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and right you want to try and get two more in for we go to
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bed. Yeah let's go to also show check
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it out. How much do it, man?
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We've been watching last night, we call it like the first couple
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episodes of Waco and then a couple episodes of Westworld
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We're playing catch-up on West world.
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So you've always always been big in the west-world.
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Something, when I cut the HBO, I lost the access to so won't want
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long. That's sad.
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It's be there right after Game of Thrones, exactly.
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We have occasionally added it back for a series or two, like
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for one month here and there. So, yeah, but it is what it is.
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Sometimes you got to make budget cuts for certain reasons.
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Remember true but you know who is going to have some bigger
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budgets in the future? Well man it looks like
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Collegiate athletes are going to be able to take some money for
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sponsorships and autographs and use of their likeness looks like
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the ncaa's moving forward. That we you think, buddy?
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It's pretty wild man. As I take a look at it and I
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started seeing like some of the tweets that went out, you know,
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from my life, Michael Gray. Jean Smith style Ackerman you
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know the big one was throughout the efforts to enhance support
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for college athlete. The NCAA has wrought upon
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considerable feedback from an engagement of our members
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including student athletes from all three divisions, allowing
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promotions and third-party endorsements is Uncharted
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Territory. But it seems like they want to
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modernize the game that giving each division for January 2021
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to come up with their plans. Something that you said would be
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the most beneficial in the East is way to go.
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As far as paying the players you have been on that boat.
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I feel like for the last 10 years, it's the path of least
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resistance because for the most part, anybody that's not in a
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NCAA. Sanctioned sport has been able
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to do this forever. Whether it's running their own
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seminars or whatever. As in their field camps, things
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like that. But these athletes have not been
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able to use their abilities, their status, whether it be
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because, of, because of football, because of their
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talents and football or basketball or whatever, maybe
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you're going to start, start seeing them be able to profit
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off that, it looks like they're not going to be able to use any
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sort of school related paraphernalia when they are
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doing. Of these adore endorsements or
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things like that. So I think that's good because
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it takes The Branding of the individual School away from them
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as being a platform. So I think that's that part of
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it's good. It's going to be interesting to
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see how it shakes out at the conference level.
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Once they put their proposals out there of how they're going
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to handle it, we've talked about this before.
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Obviously, oversight is going to be a big part here because the
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players seemed are going to have to disclose Endorsements that
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they have to the NCAA and any money taken, hundreds of table
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can can result in fines suspensions Etc by by the NCAA.
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Yeah, whether it's, you know, finds towards the school because
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it was a directly booster related and then obviously the
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student athlete would probably be hit at least with some sort
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of suspension as well. Yeah, another big piece about
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this and it and you talk about. How's it going to look under the
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table? Taxes.
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If you're doing this and you're selling your image in your
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likeness, you're now going to get taxed.
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So somebody goes out there and, you know, looking up here on the
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wall and I see a few, you know, Trey Turner does it deal with
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tears you apartments in Blacksburg to be their
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spokesman, they pay him three thousand dollars.
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Awesome. Hey Trent.
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Hey guys, the governor wants their money and if you don't,
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hey, could we potentially? See, and I laugh at this and
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this is a complete joke, but it's still funny.
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Could we potentially see in an athlete in their junior season
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who hasn't paid taxes for two years.
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He's going to be in jail during the season.
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Why tax evasion? Oh wow.
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So hopefully with this, there be some more folks hired on staff
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to help these guys. Figure that out.
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But let me ask you this front just for the Hokies perspective.
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I've got five names listed here. Who do you feel like of the Five
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Guys, that could definitely reap the benefits of this door course
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of this next year with endorsements.
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So right out the gate, I mean just in terms of the their
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Persona and things like that. I think you've got to say Trey
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got to say Dak. You gotta say probably heading
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hooker just for because of the status as a quarterback and big
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play ability. I'd probably Out James Mitchell
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and Kayla Farley I aimed right out the gate.
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Do you got? I'm three or five on that.
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I'm trying back some Hendon but I think Brock yeah brother's
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body breaks things. So yeah, but the other guy would
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be Devon Hunter because of the prized recruit if he comes out
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this year and he balls five star.
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Now he's killing it at Rover, he's going to get so much.
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So so all the pokefans listen in the 757 that have some extra,
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you know, small businesses, hey, calm down, get him some money.
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But yeah but I think it's a good thing.
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So you know and you know what? It's also part of my
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long-standing plan. If they start getting paid
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eventually, we're going to draft players.
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You want to draft Curtis once the NCA a-- draft, hey, we're
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going to do it the soda. That is some point in time we're
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going to you're going to find all those text messages over the
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last like four years of my grand scheme, which you have agreed
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could potentially work. I mean, guys, it's going to be
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probably the longest episode we've ever recorded if we ever
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get into it. Just because I can't, I can't
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count the number of texts I've got on this, but he does
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actually have a plan that's thorough enough that, it's just
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convoluted enough that the NCAA would say, say hey, That's good
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because you know, the NCAA doesn't always make the best
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choices. Hey, hey, hey well, speaking of
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draftsmen certain guy from the Hokies got drafted last weekend.
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Last round pick 10 12. The New England Patriots.
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Ouch. Yes.
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Oh that's stinging me a little bit.
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I mean it's going to be I'm going to have to probably back
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off a little bit of My the Colts in anyone, the Patriots are
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playing philosophy going forward, just because of Cain,
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but I do want to Pat myself on the back a little bit on this.
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You called it a few, a few episodes back.
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Somebody said that, you know, based on the combine and based
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on this players, versatility, Dalton Keen was a late day to
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possibility. And yeah, late day to right on
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the money. You did nail it, man.
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And now Dalton's gonna have himself some money.
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I seriously I'm not joking about this him going to the Patriots,
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his athletic ability how he blocked, how he catches, how he
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does so many things so, well, I mean, I think, within a few
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years he could be potentially one of the best titles as bleep.
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He's got the potential like I said he catches everything in
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his area. He's great after the catch and
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he's great at blocking in space and he's good enough and
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blocking in line for my tiny perspective as well.
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So I mean there's nothing that he does bad, there's not a part
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of his game. That's a weakness and he's got a
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few of those that are really good strengths like I said with
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catching and the run after the catch walking in Space.
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So I think he's really going to ascend if especially knowing the
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Patriots and how they get. The most out of the players that
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are smart enough and capable enough to take advantage of
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that. So absolutely shall see.
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Ya one other hokey pretty quick got undrafted Reggie Floyd
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heading to the cards. What is it about in scos teams?
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Taking Virginia Tech safeties that aren't 49ers even though we
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have x a few years so you know it?
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Yeah. I mean, they do, they do Really.
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Yeah. The they loved Virginia Tech
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players and generally they drafted tap yeah.
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We draft a cam. I mean yeah.
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It's the NFC West really. You see them have Hokies in
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there a lot. I mean exim got brought in as a
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free agent with the Niners and he stuck three years, he started
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some games last year, he was getting cut back and forth on
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and off but I mean I mean Excellence been a leak six years
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so good for good for him, good for Reggie getting signed Brian
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how you feel about the Colts draft personal here?
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Yeah, I feel really good. I feel really good.
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I thought the taking Taylor in the second with that second pick
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in the second round was a little.
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I didn't see it coming but I like it the more I look at it
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because I think we're in a situation now where we're not
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going to re-sign any sort of running back of this point.
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We're going to draft, a guy in the first three or four rounds,
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every three or four years and then I came up with no veteran
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cast offs, that are still got something left in the tank, I
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don't think we're going to be re-signing running back to any
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sort of lucrative deal at this point.
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So I thought that was good. You know, we get to meet
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positions. We didn't probably get as much
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of a pass rush that I would like to see in, but other than that,
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I think we filled all are all of our all our boxes there.
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So, what about you, buddy? I'm going to give my niners, a
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B+ that could be an a -. And I'm going to get into that
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in just a second. But we got Javon kinlaw second,
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rated defensive tackle out of South Carolina, it immediately
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slips into Buckner's place where he gave to y'all for 18 million
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dollars, less than excited about that.
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We have kept room. So I'm cool with and we wanted
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to address on a couple of those websites and a lot of fun and he
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had always fell out right outside.
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The second round right outside the first round.
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Early second. And when they got him as a
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person was, like, kind of stinks we missed on CD, we didn't get
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Jerry. We took in law, which makes me
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think Ken law was so high on the board.
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You can't turn that down, but then I started watching this
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tape and some highlights. And it's like, oh, I see while
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Kyle Shanahan wants him. This is scary for the NFC West.
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The other three guys and I'll mention is we have a small draft
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Colt mckevitt out of West, Virginia to offensive tackle.
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But I think I see their scheme of they're going to find
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mid-level offensive zone, tackles and college, and try to
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slip them inside. As long as they've got a nasty
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streak, Charlie want a big block and tight in.
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I would Georgia and big receiver Juwan Jennings, how to
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Tennessee. But the biggest move we made was
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after until they found out, probably a couple days before
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Joe Staley retired makes me sad. They go out and get the best
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offensive tackle in his own scheme for a third and the fifth
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and Trent will. Williams and he's got something
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to prove. If we get him extended, this
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trap is an A minus because we immediately feel to needs or
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actually immediately feel three needs.
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So I feel great about it, man. Good for you buddy.
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Good for y'all. Yeah, I feel really good about
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what we did. Like I said, we filled in some
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holes. I think we're gonna, you know, I
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think we got a good good value for Eason where we took him, if
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he ends up playing behind Philip for one or two years and could
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be the next guy up. So that could be big.
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If not, we didn't waste anything with a fourth-round pick so I
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could get all broken up about that.
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So I think we're good to go. Awesome.
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Did you see see you a DJ hah? RVs top five came out a few days
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back. I did big guy along with some
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heavy weights in, Texas and USC and another in-state guy for
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him. Another West Coast with Kalyn
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organ, I'm going to mention a couple things because I don't
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know if you got to read the 24/7 article where he went through
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each of the each of the school's, kind of what he likes
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a lot about coaches, but there was one thing that he mentioned
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about Virginia Tech, he did not mention about the other two
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places, and we see his His dad seems to really care about his
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son, but he's not boast terrorists.
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He a lot of encouraging tweets for not only his son, but the
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entire 2021 class. But the three things first of
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all, he says BTS family atmosphere, he did not mention
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family atmosphere in any of the other four schools.
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He did not, he did not huge. And when you hear about it, talk
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to in that way, that says something.
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Also, we're showing the commitment to him.
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I'm the zoom call. Yeah what was it?
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Justin Fuente. Ron Smith and Justin Hamilton I
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believe so no dude it was everybody on staff.
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Oh the entire staff was there for him.
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Wow and then he talked about just how upfront and honest we
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are with them. They potentially like him doing
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things on both sides of the ball and he says that Honesty up
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front, you know they talked to him for comparing them like what
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a Dory Jackson did so That makes me those three comments and, you
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know, he'd like the other schools talked about the
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coaches, but those three things kind of stuck out to me.
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Yeah, that's big. And like you said, I mean, his
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dad has been, he's on Twitter a lot but he's like, you said,
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very positive and I don't see a whole lot of other heavily.
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Complimentary things said about the other school from him, like
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I see him talking about Virginia Tech and so that's got a that's
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got to make us feel feel pretty good, even if Obviously it's
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going to be ultimately DJ's decision as to where he goes,
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but I feel like we've got a, we've definitely made our
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impression on the dad. I think that's really going to
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go. Go far for us, hopefully.
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Yes, sir. I brought on, let's get to it,
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man. The Hokey Mount Rushmore their
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defense for deals. This this was let's set the
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stage man. Gonna set the stage for us.
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Well, first of all, before we started Fussing.
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This is an episode with offense and defense, we said let's do
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offense first, that won't be as tough defense is going to be
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insane. It's gonna be a nightmare
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because you got everybody's got their favorites but also just
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the sheer number of talented guys that we've had and way.
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Yeah, every time you listen to name your like damn, I got to
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move somebody down to move somebody up and it just got off
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and going, man. So brutal.
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Well, we kind of started talking about it.
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Last Wednesday after the episode dropped 20 texting and then on
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draft night you know me and Brian facetimed, your wife
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called us FaceTiming, my wife laughed at it on Facebook it was
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pretty funny. Yeah, that's what about now we
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were both drinking beer watching the draft and debating who was
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going to be on the Rock, who is going to be honorable mention
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and who we were. Just going to talk about for a
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little bit. Yeah but here's the thing that
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night so we're FaceTime were chatting and being Brian, both
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had list. And we just start reading.
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And we kept reading and we kept talking and we kept going while
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watching the draft kind of laughing at a couple pics.
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Like why did they do that thing? Okay.
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Okay, move on. In the end, it was proud.
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We were what we were borderline, 25 players and we're going to go
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through these guys in a few minutes here and then over the
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course of the next Friday Saturday Sunday and Monday.
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We finally kind of came down to it, we were texting back names
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and some stats and hear some good articles and read on this,
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read on that. And before we even get to the
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honorable mentions, we're just going to go through the list.
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And it shows it really shows how in the history of this school,
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how great the damn defense has been.
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And Brian, I'm going to give you the honor this week.
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Exercise. I'll let you start with just the
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guys on the outside. These are just the guys on the
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outside of the honorable mention and Hokies and Mount Rushmore ho
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Keystone looking in before he starts man's.
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Don't hate us for anything. We're doing today.
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This was difficult. We dare you just ride.
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We're going to probably ask you to try but let's let's start off
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this mask for out the gate, any RV, a guy's gonna probably be
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like, what the hell are you doing?
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But outside of our honorable mentions, we got Macho Harris.
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Holland Springs, High School in the RV, a two-time first-team,
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all-acc ended up with a fifth round.
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Draft pick to the Eagles. Unfortunately didn't didn't work
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out for him there, but mean, one of the great all-time Hokies
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that we're talking about here, you know, also on that list we
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had Brandon Flowers out of the Delray Beach pipeline.
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That Virginia Tech is established two-time
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All-American, second-round pick earned a Pro Bowl in 2013.
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Next up in, this is going to sting a little bit for our
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Southside Virginia listeners, but Tremaine admins.
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First-team all-acc first round draft.
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Pick to the Buffalo Bills and the earned a Pro Bowl in 2019.
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Only a second here. He wasn't even 21 right?
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Yeah. This turn 21 when he crazy when
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he got the Pro Bowl. It's crazy to think about man.
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Next up, Kyle, Fuller and there's going to be A trend here
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for the, the folder name. I'm going to run three off here
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pretty quick, obviously, Maryland, native.
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He went to Mount Saint Joe's. High school was a two-time.
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All ACC was a one-time second team, All-American.
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First round, draft pick to the Bears two-time pro bowler, and
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he got his first first-team All-Pro in 2018.
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Next up, Kendall. Maryland native obviously cancel
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High School two-time, all ACC one-time, second-team
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All-American. Third round draft pick Super
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Bowl, 50 for Champion that was sealed with his interception.
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Sorry, Curtis that one. It's all good, though.
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It is. Next up, we got the the last
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Fuller. Pensive, brother, Vincent,
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Fuller, Woodlawn. High School played a key role in
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that 04 ACC Championship team that we're all really fond of
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here. Versatile player, quarterbacking
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also played in free. Safety was a fourth-round pick.
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Spent seven years in the NFL. Good all-around player, you
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know, mostly a role player in the NFL, but you did his job for
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seven years there. Next up, Willie pile, Northern
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Virginia, West Potomac, High School, standout player owns
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defense from 2000 to 2002. Second team, all-big East, 2002
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seventh-round draft. Pick to the Chiefs Next up,
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Tyrone Drake for South Carolina, native out of North Central was
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a key. Secondary key member of the
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secondary. In those early good, Frank
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squads career leader in interceptions at Virginia Tech
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second round draft pick and one Super Bowl 29 with the 49ers.
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Yes sir. Next the last year we got Chris
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Ellis Bethel. High School product.
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So we got A 757 representative here.
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He was key part about the of those defenses in the, the
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mid-2000s that were just so good.
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First team, all-acc in 2008 and drafted by the pills and the
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third round. And last on my, my list here is
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going to be frank Lauria the 0 g of D.
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Bu Played in the secondary. Returned punts played beside a
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famous other Frank that we all know and love, I don't know if
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you're aware of whom I'm talking about.
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Yes sir. But this Frank was a two-time
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All-American and tragically. Unfortunately, I don't and I
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know both of you guys know the story here, but he was on the
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plane and 1970 that was carrying the the Marshal football team
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when that plane crashed. So, unfortunately, we didn't get
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to see what type of Coach he was going to become but definitely
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one of the all-time. Great hope he's.
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Alright, so I'm going to finish off the list guys because we're
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still not done with guys just on the the outside that we talked
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about so much for the last few days I'm going to start with Ike
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Charlton. Orlando's the Florida V T
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connection. That started way back.
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When part of the 99 team, he was a first-team All-American.
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Second-round draft, pick played in the league for six years.
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Vince Hall, Western Branch out of 757 first-team all-acc in 06
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one of the big leaders of one of the greatest defensive all time.
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We ever saw in school history one The Dudley in 2006 John
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engelberger not who he seems a pit balls Springfield.
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High School in Springfield Virginia.
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Lee High School three-time, all Big East first team, s times s
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All-American second-round pick of the 49ers had an eight-year
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career. Cody, Grimm Oakton High School
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up in Northern Virginia, the Grim Reaper to gravity.
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Yes, sir, 2009 all. First teen ACC all 13,
26:59
All-American Dudley winter guy. We overlooked a lot of times.
27:04
Also whip Deep Creek, James Anderson out of Chesapeake.
27:08
Definitely. You can say, in, in, when he was
27:11
in school, probably overshadowed by Vincent and Xavier by was
27:16
running mates, but great. Well, third-round pick change
27:19
play The League nine years. He just retired a couple years
27:22
ago. Yeah, it's crazy.
27:24
Dorian Gray, Lakeland, Florida three-time all Big East free.
27:28
Safety second round. Pick that guy retired way too
27:32
early his knee messing up in the early part of the 2000s.
27:37
Then obviously coaching dbe's from 06 to 15 here.
27:42
Another name man, Anthony midget.
27:44
Clearly Florida 13, All-American first team.
27:47
Biggie, secondary coach, he's doing secondary coach in the NFL
27:51
for six years, man. Says a lot about type of player.
27:55
He is Jason World Cartier. New Jersey second-team all-acc,
28:01
08 and 09 a second round. Pick to the Steelers for years.
28:05
He played then he retired abruptly and my cousin's a huge
28:09
Steelers fan. I can remember you tired and he
28:11
said, dude, he was ready to take over at the end spot but Jason,
28:16
I can remember what had happened mean, you kind of talking about
28:18
it, he sort of he got his money and he was just like, I'm ready
28:22
to stop and So yeah, a couple more guys here Jr.
28:26
On host Lee pointin Beach, Florida first-team all-acc, and
28:30
2010's second-team All-American. And in in 2011 for the ACC
28:36
first-team All-American in 2010 that Year, I hope you record
28:40
nine picks in one season. Third round draft pick of the
28:43
Giants and this is kind of the guy.
28:47
Crying. I know I've tried we couldn't
28:49
get in there maybe over the next few years.
28:53
When we do this again, he'll wind up, Kam Chancellor, Bam,
28:56
Bam, Maury High School, Norfolk, Virginia to Star Quarterback
29:01
recruit coming out with just two offers, he played every
29:06
secondary position at Virginia Tech.
29:10
Dorian Gray said, he could be the greatest safety in this
29:12
program's history in 2009. Second team.
29:16
Amal ACC him fifth round draft pick of the Seattle Seahawks
29:22
four-time pro bowler, Super Bowl champ and a physical freak, A
29:27
guy who could hit you like a linebacker but still cover you.
29:31
And folks, if you really can remember, he laid some hits in
29:34
college. But I'm going to take one to the
29:36
program as a Niners fan Vernon, Davis going up the sidelines and
29:41
it was a good pass and clam knocked the shit out of him.
29:47
Sorry. I don't think you know how we
29:49
always think about that one man, because they show that one all
29:52
the time they do it when you. And I remember is a Niners fan
29:55
watching that it was a Monday night like I was illegal, Darcy
29:59
dirty play crushes people with his shoulders so these are the
30:06
guys just on the outside and these are great players me and
30:11
Brian clearly got to see some of these guys play and it was tough
30:16
but Brian. We're going to move on.
30:18
All right, so so I'm going to mention.
30:21
So I know with the offense episode, we gave you all to
30:23
honorable mentions, but we felt the defense.
30:27
We need it. For our honorable mentions.
30:28
We needed for guys that we were going to dive a little bit
30:30
deeper on that. We're going to be off of the
30:34
rush for for defense here. So I'm going to start off here
30:38
with one of my favorites. Xavier adibi, the Phoebus High
30:44
School 757, LED them to their first state championship, his
30:49
junior year and Senior year, they're LED them to their first
30:53
undefeated season. So they were back-to-back state,
30:55
champions played both ways, he was a fullback and a linebacker.
31:01
One of those fullbacks that frequently could go over 100
31:04
yards and that's not even their primary running back.
31:08
So, that's that's an impressive stat right there.
31:11
Obviously, went to Virginia Tech.
31:13
He was the primary backup at backer, his redshirt freshman.
31:16
Year took the starting role at backer is a sophomore in 2005
31:21
and held that role. 2007, some of the best defenses.
31:25
The Hokies have ever had had Xavier DB at Guam backer, backer
31:30
266 combined tackles nine sacks in this career Regent collegiate
31:36
career. He had eight career
31:38
interceptions and to pick sixes along with one.
31:42
Fumble recovery for a touchdown. Now if you remember anything
31:45
about a Be a DVD was one of those backers that, or than I
31:51
can remember. He was getting pics.
31:53
You don't, you don't see those backers, getting a ton of pace,
31:55
but a DB just always had a nose for the ball.
31:59
Always seem to find it, and that's what I loved about him,
32:02
loving watching them play because he could, he get out
32:04
there and cover. Absolutely good at dating, the
32:08
quarterback in the throwing his Direction.
32:09
And I love that in his career, he was a second-team all-acc in
32:15
2006. First team, all-acc in 2007, AFC
32:21
a All-American in 2007, and instance, of the, the little
32:27
brother showing out more than big brother Nathaniel here,
32:30
because that's what the hell of a player and defensive end for
32:34
us. He wasn't, it was savior came in
32:37
there and definitely took that one step further.
32:40
And as we know the Hokies like to keep it in the family, so we
32:44
get, we got a lot of lot of brothers here that are only
32:46
Odds. So yeah, thanks for seeing
32:49
seeing another one. Go out there and show out,
32:52
drafted to the Texans played several seasons in the NFL and
32:57
now he's coaching. So that's our first one.
33:00
There is a savior DP. Yeah, man.
33:02
He was just, we got to go to so many of his games when we were
33:06
like in college, and he was such a physical freak, and he talked
33:09
about all the pigs he had. And again, it's that set of
33:12
brothers that keep playing at Tech, man and know.
33:17
I mean him and Hall just just unbelievable combination there
33:20
in the middle for those those Seasons.
33:23
But, uh, I got one for you from that time frame, man.
33:27
All right, let's hear been Jimmy Williams.
33:30
Oh man. Oh baby 63 210 pounds, defensive
33:36
back Hampton, Virginia out of Bethel High School.
33:39
Start his career off as a free safety backup, that Willie pile,
33:43
we've already mentioned willy willy had some hell of an Acca
33:45
Hayes. He took over that position in
33:49
2003 from Willie, so he was part of that 2003 team and then in
33:54
2004 he was moved to corner and Brian is me and you had this
33:59
conversation. He started excelling.
34:02
And and and and this is one of those things is put out there.
34:07
You mentioned it to me and we were content.
34:09
I was just reading and doing some research and watching some
34:11
tape, some people consider, and if he's not dead, He is.
34:17
He's right. There is maybe the best cover
34:20
corner to ever play this position attack.
34:24
He started at safety. So he would lay a lik when he
34:28
had to watch some of those old films.
34:30
He popped guys on the sidelines man, but there's two.
34:33
There's two plays that stick out to me and luckily doing all this
34:39
reading old articles and these were by think I've built Roth
34:44
brought these up. Two plays you guys go back and
34:48
look at the 2004 year. He walked down Albie Pearman for
34:55
UVA. He was on the opposite side
34:58
corner. If he walked him down and save
35:00
it touchdown, you watch it and you just see him he starts
35:03
going. Bye guys.
35:05
And it's like, oh my God, he's going to catch any caught him,
35:09
insanity and then in the Sugar Bowl that same year against
35:13
Auburn. Just This beautiful just the
35:16
beautiful coverage that hips flowing back and then he just he
35:21
cut that little hook pattern will come back pattern, and he
35:24
just got right there laid out and makes the catch.
35:28
Although we didn't score on that drive.
35:30
It was a momentum, swing and Driver down, 16.
35:32
Nothing Hokies 413 unanswered, fall short.
35:36
And if you go back and look at the history books that play, got
35:42
it in field goal, range, and Brandon Pace.
35:44
Mr. Short. Evolved.
35:46
So what could have been? You know, nine career
35:52
interceptions in 2005 was the year man, unanimous unanimous,
35:57
first-team All-American, he was a finalist, not only for the
36:01
fort. He was also a finalist for the
36:04
Nagurski that year. And then later in 2000 in the
36:09
draft in 2006, second-round, pick of Atlanta so Jimmy
36:13
Williams. May, what more can you say about
36:17
that? I mean, I just remember watching
36:20
Jimmy. I'm like when he moved to Corner
36:22
that was the move. That really kind of, I think set
36:25
things off in terms of those defenses that came in those mid
36:29
2000s, man because it went from like you just couldn't throw on
36:35
with, with Jimmy out there and you had Macho coming in.
36:38
I mean, it was just crazy. It was crazy, dude.
36:41
It was crazy. And I just remember those
36:43
defense. And so finally, man, I've got
36:46
another one for you. Yeah, this is up.
36:49
So obviously you all know that I have a great affinity for mr.
36:54
Darryl Tapp so that's parents went on the list.
36:58
Here is Darryl Tapp Deep Creek. High School product, lettered in
37:02
football, basketball and track. You gotta love those.
37:06
Multi-sport athletes, man. Yes, sir.
37:09
For us, he played a special team and Reserve role from 2002 to
37:13
2003. Memorably.
37:16
He had the fumble recovery for the touchdown against UVA and
37:20
02. Yes, sir.
37:21
We promised called that a couple episodes ago.
37:25
So, took over the starting role in 2004 and that's, that's when
37:29
things started to happen because Darryl Tapp, once he got in
37:33
there, he out worksheet and he punished you.
37:39
And took his 2004 campaign and took it even a step further in
37:44
2005 where he had a career year. But again the most important
37:48
thing is that I look at Darryl Tapp that's kind of like the
37:52
Jake Grove of the of the defense.
37:54
He is the epitome of lunch pail so much so that you got to keep
37:59
it. He didn't let it go.
38:00
No I didn't. It wasn't giving it back.
38:02
Never gave it back. Nobody without work you and he
38:05
would out hustle you and he would go in there and just Just,
38:09
he wasn't giving up until he got the job done.
38:12
His work ethic ethic in Virginia Tech just remains legendary.
38:17
Its terms of numbers, he had career stats 175, tackles
38:21
combined combined, 23 and a half tackles for loss 13, sex three
38:27
forced fumbles, punt, blocked punt, return for a touchdown.
38:33
He was a two-time all-sec. First team in 04 and 0.5.
38:37
And as I've said, my personal all-time favorite hokey taking
38:42
in the second round to the Seattle Seahawks 11-year NFL
38:47
career. That is both the starter and a
38:50
rotational player. And obviously current member of
38:54
the Hokies coaching staff TNT. Yes, he is man.
38:58
So let me just again, my all-time favorite, hope you play
39:01
or in somebody that, yeah, every time I see him, every time he
39:05
even likes or Retweet. So my stuff on Twitter I'm like
39:09
oh man that's the stuff right there.
39:11
You're right man and down tap was the heart and soul that
39:15
lunch pail defense in those Glory years and it's awesome.
39:20
Having him back on staff. And in dude, again, we've
39:23
mentioned this in episodes before we got the opportunity to
39:26
meet him and he talked us for 45 minutes with his kid hanging out
39:29
back, and we joked about the lunch pail.
39:32
He took he was so gracious to taking the photos with us and
39:37
It's all my Twitter timeline somewhere and I'm so tempted to
39:41
repost it all the time with this.
39:42
He's he is that guy and when they had in the staff this year
39:48
you talked about if there's anybody slacking in the oh yeah,
39:52
oh God. All right man.
39:55
So we got one more before we get to the Mount Rushmore and y'all
40:00
just this is how damn good. Again, we've been on defense.
40:04
So many great players difference of programs.
40:08
But it has to start somewhere and that's Cornell Brown.
40:12
He was one of the first big Virginia recruits that chose the
40:16
Hokies and Frank always said it was the Turning of the tide in
40:20
the state of the recruiting six years.
40:22
And if Chen year six-foot defensive end out of EC glass in
40:27
Lynchburg at the he was ranked number two in the state.
40:31
When he committed, he was number six in the Mid-Atlantic region,
40:35
you kind of do the math. That basically, Made Cornell
40:39
roughly a top 50 player at worst as a freshman part of the 93
40:46
team that started the bowl Street and probably one of the
40:50
biggest leaders of the 95 Sugar Bowl win, that really put this
40:53
program International prominence, 95 unanimous,
40:58
All-American 103. Tackles that year 14 sacks, the
41:02
Big East defensive player of the year and then 96 Eric and again
41:08
even though he missed three games 36 sacks in his career
41:14
Dudley Award winner. Got drafted by the Ravens was on
41:19
their Super Bowl team as a key Reserve special teams player
41:22
played seven total years in. You know there's always a spot
41:29
that in 1993 with getting him was that of Fortran protect And
41:38
the question is and I'll ask you and just kind of put it out
41:41
there for the Hokie fans. if we land, Some of the guys who are
41:48
on the top and this year is that sort of the brawl breakthrough
41:52
for Justin Fuente as Cornell was for Frank.
41:56
So you know I like to put those correlations out there but but
42:01
Brian, what do you got on this guy?
42:05
Yeah I mean you said a lot about Cornell and I think the biggest
42:08
thing that we're talking about here is that he was the one that
42:11
kind of brought the the tide in for the Hokies in terms of
42:15
recruiting and in terms of getting that That ball rolling,
42:18
two things, the step from good team too, we're going to compete
42:22
for Biggie's titles. Every year we're going to punch
42:27
you in the mouth because that's what we do on both sides of the
42:29
ball. But particularly on defense.
42:31
He's the guy that kind of started all that and I think
42:35
that's that. That's what you got to say about
42:37
it. In terms of just establishing
42:39
the tradition, establishing an identity for that defense.
42:44
That's what Cornell will Brown was all about.
42:46
So, That's the big thing that I want to take away from that.
42:49
Is that he was the guy that kind of started the tradition that
42:53
we're still celebrating right now.
42:55
And unfortunately, just outside of the big four for us in terms
43:00
of our deliberations, which I know is going to be probably a
43:03
sore spot for some folks because we've already had some folks,
43:08
some people over again on on Twitter as far as what, where
43:11
they want to go. And Cornell seems to be one of
43:13
the ones that's keeps popping up.
43:15
Exactly. And you know, and and then this
43:19
again, this was tough man. But we're here we are at the
43:24
Rushmore. We have went past.
43:25
Wonderful memorials to get here. Yep.
43:29
But this should not should I lead off here.
43:32
Should I lead off you? Let me leave with mr.
43:34
Vic I shall let you leave sir. Okay.
43:38
Well my first one is the biggest no-brainer in the history of
43:41
Virginia Tech Sports Bruce Smith, this sack man.
43:47
Yes, sir Booker T Washington, High School, Norfolk 757 didn't
43:54
really focus much on football till these later, part of high
43:58
school. But once he did that things
43:59
really took off for him. Woo.
44:02
Yeah, he literally redefined the position of defensive end when
44:08
he would go into Tech and everything.
44:10
I mean before that there wasn't guys that had linebacker speed
44:15
at the Russian position, and he comes in 22 sacks in his junior
44:20
year alone. God first team, All-American
44:25
selection that year somehow senior year, he outdid that he
44:30
was consensus, All-American selection that year and Outland
44:34
Trophy winner. That's a big one.
44:37
So draft an 85, you know, where he went buddy, that would be you
44:44
know, Uno. Yes, sir 11.
44:47
First overall, pick to the Buffalo Bills took the hype of
44:52
being the first overall selection and turned it into 11
44:56
Pro bowls. 8, First Team, all Pros to Second Team all Pros to
45:01
time defensive NFL player of the year for time AFC defensive
45:05
player of the year and the all-time sack record.
45:09
But two hundred sacks. He was also named to the 100th
45:15
anniversary all-time team. So we're talking about about one
45:17
of the Great's to ever lace them up here, not just in hokey
45:22
history but in in terms of all professional football and he had
45:27
one of the best lines in Little Giants.
45:30
Ha ha ha, let me see your game faces.
45:35
That's second. Only to it's a couch cushion,
45:37
sun, god. Brian you you pretty much.
45:46
I mean, what more can be said for him.
45:49
He is a tech player of his stature that still rings.
45:55
I mean, we weren't old enough to see him play at Virginia Tech.
45:58
We weren't we were in freaking diapers when he was there, but
46:02
we got to see him play in the NFL and you got to see how
46:05
Hominid. He was and also the one thing
46:09
you gotta love about Bruce's, I mean, he's always there.
46:12
Bruce's nipple, always in Blacksburg on game day, he
46:15
continues to support preferring with you.
46:16
Just awesome. I'm hoping one of these years
46:20
now with me and you make that truck up 64, then cut take a
46:23
left down, 81 back down for 60 and to the Smoke mountains.
46:31
Do we get to meet him? And I can't say, Much more man.
46:36
It's just Bruce Smith. He's at the front.
46:39
He's the 11. There is no question that he is
46:44
the greatest defensive player in Virginia.
46:46
Tech History Go sir. All right buddy, I'll let you go
46:50
with number 2 here and this one shouldn't be too much of a
46:52
surprise. Either shouldn't be a surprise
46:54
to anyone either also a defensive end.
46:58
Corey Moore. Oh yeah, defensive and 6-foot
47:04
225 pounds. Cory came to us, Virginia Tech
47:09
from homes, Junior College in Memphis, Tennessee.
47:13
Court was actually originally set to enroll in Ole Miss, but
47:19
right about that time he was going to enroll is when one of
47:21
the biggest Gamble's broke down there.
47:24
So he kind of backed off. He almost, you know, called it
47:27
quits from plane. Football, which is kind of crazy
47:29
thing, because he was going to go to an SEC school and, you
47:32
know, he goes to a junior college about that time.
47:36
Charlie Wiles comes in, Charlie had some connections in the
47:39
area, Charlie got him up here and you know, number 56 was kind
47:45
of quiet as first couple of years but then in 1998 he
47:50
absolutely exploded on the scene. 13 have sex all Biggie's,
47:56
first team defense, Pensive Player of the Year couple
48:01
interviews, he talked about when they play they lost to UVA 98.
48:06
But you can see those conversations about when they
48:08
went to the Music City Bowl about how he wanted the way he
48:11
wanted to take his seniors out. They shouldn't go out like that
48:14
and then they preferably went out stomp a mudhole in Alabama.
48:17
38 nothing. So, but then man 1999 came
48:23
yesterday because those eyes when those eyes.
48:28
Zoned in. He was going to come for the
48:30
quarterbacks head and try to kill them and Clemson's Brandon
48:36
Streeter nationally became his first victim on that wonderful
48:41
Thursday night, Affair and Lane Stadium.
48:44
When Bill Ross considers it, The Hat Trick, The Strip, the sack,
48:49
the fumble recovery touchdown, his total stat line just for
48:53
that night, right? Go back and look at it.
48:55
I mean we've watched that game And you see the replays and it's
48:59
crazy two sacks for tackles for loss, five hurries along with
49:06
the strip's. Axon before touchdown.
49:09
That's 11 place. He was in the backfield.
49:13
This was at a time when teams were running between 50 and 60
49:15
plays the other quarter of the time, also that night on the
49:22
sidelines or other man the nation watching, he coin
49:27
something That lane Stadium when it is pink, it becomes, what era
49:33
do college football, but no one
49:49
could block him. He could out block you at the
49:53
point of attack. Will he run by you at the point
49:56
of attack? That season in general, Brian 17
50:01
sacks. Unanimous unanimous Big East
50:07
Player of the Year Defensive Player of the Year unanimous
50:10
All-American ma'am Dudley Award winner for the state.
50:15
Lombardi Award winner essentially says he was the best
50:18
offensive or defensive lineman in the country anyone to
50:22
Nagurski the best defensive player in the country. 35 career
50:27
sacks 58 tackles for loss. He became a third-round draft
50:32
pick. I mean only played a few years
50:35
and the one big piece about that is they tried to make him a
50:39
linebacker. Yep.
50:40
Something Bud Foster has said, is That wasn't this thing to do.
50:45
That wasn't Cory. Cory was attacking the edge
50:50
attacking the quarterback. He is fiscally dirty was coming
50:53
after you. That was what he wanted to do.
50:56
This is my opinion, my opinion, only I think you've Cory.
51:00
I would even say in today's age, but I think if Corey is for 25
51:03
years later and that would put him around 2000.
51:06
What 425? I think.
51:08
Cory goes to the league and probably has a 9 or 10 year,
51:12
career. Oh yeah.
51:15
What is he? What is he doing for?
51:16
You is one of those. Those attacking four, threes and
51:21
yeah, ones, where the defensive line of the give its veins are
51:25
coming at you. I mean, even, like the Colts had
51:28
with free and Mathis, man. I mean, I can definitely see
51:32
him. You haven't having a similar
51:34
type of tumor type of game as to, as, for any there.
51:38
So exactly. But but for him for that 1990,
51:43
19, I mean, he said it off and You know, in all those
51:50
accolades. And if you ever want some
51:53
entertainment, folks just laying around here in covid-19 crisis.
51:57
Go look up, Corey Moore at the Sugar Bowl, press conference.
52:00
Yep. He was not bad.
52:02
He's just pulling exactly but great.
52:13
Great player and brown will throw it up to you, man.
52:17
You got to you. Got somebody that kind of close
52:21
to my heart. Yeah, man.
52:24
So, next, we're going to go to D Creek High School, another Deep
52:27
Creek product going to be Daryl Taps best buddy, DeAngelo Hall.
52:32
Yes, sir the ol D whole. So what can be said about D
52:38
Hall? D Hall is the epitome of a
52:40
playmaker. He was also the epitome of a
52:43
trash talker but he's placed spoke for him to.
52:46
So let's let's, let's keep it moving as a true freshman.
52:50
He played in all 11 games, he started one game.
52:53
Game at 33 combined, tackles three picks, three pass
52:58
breakups, followed that up with another foreign, or the 400
53:01
ception and a in a forced fumble as a sophomore.
53:04
And in 2002 to go with another 44, combined, tackles and 12
53:10
passes, broken up. You also had to punt returns for
53:14
a touchdown. All right, junior year took his
53:19
game to the next level 3 punt. Returns for a touchdown, had an
53:22
interception and took a ball from somebody and took it for a
53:27
touchdown Brian. Give it to ya, Rosco, I'm
53:31
crying, I'm crying. Just ripped it from Roscoe's
53:36
hand and said nope! No this is mine.
53:38
I'm going to run it in any way and you know, there was no
53:42
throwing his way that junior year.
53:44
I mean he was in complete shutdown mode.
53:46
That point, they were scared to throw his weight because of
53:49
interceptions, but he was also really good at coverage, even
53:52
though that part of his game, didn't do the loudest talking.
53:57
He also scored two offensive touchdowns that year, they were
54:00
they use them in about what four or five games on offense mostly
54:03
in. I think UCF was the game.
54:05
He was used most heavily that year and he said scored two
54:09
offensive touchdowns, you know, special teams Return Man on
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punts. He was a first team
54:15
All-American. Thousand three and a semi
54:17
finalist for the Jim Thorpe Award in 2003.
54:20
So despite his numbers going down that junior year in terms
54:24
of interceptions, he was on the national radar in terms of his
54:28
abilities that corner. So I want to I want to throw
54:31
that out there that just because there's numbers went down,
54:33
didn't mean that his play was going down.
54:35
He was absolutely in shutdown, mode in 2003 and first round
54:40
pick to to the Atlanta Falcons. We have a three-time pro bowler.
54:46
Spent a bunch of years in the league man, especially with the
54:50
Washington Redskins and really turned his career around after,
54:54
having some really great years with the Falcons out, the gate
54:57
was open Redskins. Play, do what you're told, but
55:01
then move then move to safety. And that's something that tells
55:05
you what kind of football player who was is later in his career.
55:09
On, you know, he did make that move and he made it pretty
55:13
successful and In some people, you know question of it will
55:19
never come off Corners. Now he went to free safety
55:21
played really good. Yeah he was there it was a great
55:24
free safety for he's been about three or four years three safety
55:27
after he moved from corner and you know, some of his best years
55:31
obviously were with Atlanta but you know, he wasn't getting
55:35
getting exactly picked on until you know that last year or so
55:38
when he was playing corner for the skins and when they moved in
55:41
the free safety, it was a pretty smooth move and he was able to
55:44
take those. Those ball hockey skills of the
55:46
always had and kind of, you know, play center field a little
55:49
bit and makes a noise that way. And he was always a willing
55:52
hitter. So he moved to safety was
55:55
definitely a natural fit for him as he lost a little bit of a
55:58
step there at the end. Yeah, you're right man.
56:01
You said so much. He was a lockdown player.
56:04
I mean, so special as an athlete so special great personality to
56:08
Men. He loves the school, you see him
56:12
tweet about it, a lot when guys get drafted and guys get paid.
56:15
That are Hokies, you see him talking about it.
56:18
I mean, I personally would love to see him back in the program.
56:23
In some way, I don't know if you will because he does have that
56:27
such a dynamic personality and he's making his way up in the
56:32
NFL world in the end. Yeah, circles.
56:34
Yeah. But nonetheless in Nathan and it
56:41
can be fought about, but maybe the greatest defensive back in
56:45
the school's history. Yeah, it can.
56:48
It's arguable because have how many weakening?
56:50
But ain't much, I think roughly all-around athlete at the
56:54
position. He's at the top and that's why
56:57
he's sitting in our or Mount Rushmore here.
57:00
Yes, sir. All right buddy, we got one more
57:04
here. This one might not be as much of
57:06
a no-brainer is Is the previous three some let you take it away.
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Oh you putting this on me, huh? Yeah.
57:13
The controversial decision of the of the defensive Mount
57:19
Rushmore for the Virginia Tech Hokies.
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Well folks we went back forth back forth so many great players
57:27
and but we landed on this guy Ben Taylor linebacker out of Bel
57:31
Air. Ohio 1998 comes in Starts making
57:38
his name, and if you're a Virginia Tech Hokies where do
57:40
you make your name? Special teams.
57:43
Yes, sir played in every game that year. 15, tackles 1999 Big
57:51
Year, Redshirt sophomore year. He is a starter at linebacker
57:57
started for 10 games that season.
57:59
He finished third on the team. With tat, in tackles five,
58:03
tackles for loss. One sack Venom Became Big Time
58:09
2000 2001. He accelerated. 2101 tackles
58:14
seven, tackles for loss, one and a half sacks, all-big East team.
58:19
Third team, All-American, semifinals for the Butkus 2001,
58:24
he upped it a little more 121 tackles 118.
58:30
Tackles for loss, four and a half sacks, and the pick
58:35
All-American again, second team that year semifinalist for the
58:39
buckets award again and again I ran into a what I was doing.
58:45
My research Mentor into a lot of Bill Ross stuff, and I love Bill
58:48
and Bill mentions about it. He has on the temple player so I
58:52
go find it. The VT freak God Rest, his soul,
58:56
thank him for doing what he did and we saw I saw the hit Jesus.
59:02
Lord, he's a linebacker. The coverage and then he
59:06
proceeded to kill the temple wide receivers Body and Soul.
59:10
It was just awesome and brightly I've got to stop there because I
59:14
had to do some writing for documents.
59:16
You looked at it, what do you what do you do again?
59:18
Couple plays later, odo's back that glaze and boat out like so
59:25
the first one was like, an out is that he had, he had the flat,
59:29
he had a flat coverage and on the out, and he came up and just
59:32
laid upon him, then the next player, It looks like the virus.
59:36
He was running the big from the slot and as soon as the ball was
59:41
delivered, he just ran up and came from the other side.
59:45
So running towards where the route is being run.
59:48
So running literally freight trains running at each other and
59:51
he just cleans his clock. It was it was it was so fun to
59:55
watch me. Like he's one of these guys is
1:00:03
we were talking to some folks And you mentioned ban and you
1:00:07
kind of mentioned exactly as people like, oh oh God Ben did
1:00:10
what? Yeah, it was all that gay was
1:00:12
but but what I think of Ben Taylor I kind of reflect on the
1:00:16
type of player that he is and he's kind of player built this
1:00:21
program been was a three-star undersized linebacker coming
1:00:25
about how when he was recruited, um, and he built himself.
1:00:30
He became a fourth-round draft pick.
1:00:32
He spent Five Seasons in the NFL for those brown.
1:00:35
John's one year with the Packers and I know this is gonna
1:00:37
probably just controversial pick because we have so many great
1:00:40
players. But when you think of a guy, we
1:00:43
always talk about, you know, the accolades and, you know, but
1:00:48
when you think of like that was when he came in, it was 1997,
1:00:53
overall, that 95 year. Those were the players were
1:00:56
still building the program and How he turned himself into a
1:01:02
three-star undersized to an All-American.
1:01:06
Semifinals for buckets, getting drafted, in the fourth round,
1:01:10
playing multiple years in the NFL, that's what the program is
1:01:15
built on. And and that's why I lobbied
1:01:20
Brian can tell you. I lauded really hard for Ben to
1:01:22
be. There we were be able to several
1:01:23
guys who around the outside and that's one of the big reasons I
1:01:26
lobbied for him to be. If he was, he was the one that
1:01:30
we Both had kind of been that what 4 to 6 range.
1:01:34
Yep. On our list and we were like we
1:01:36
were throwing back and forth. It was like I think it was him
1:01:38
Cornell and Jimmy were the kind of the.
1:01:40
Yeah, this is free. We were debating.
1:01:42
We were like, you know, based on bit what Ben did and when he
1:01:45
came through and just accolades, you know, it makes sense because
1:01:51
he's a linebacker that we can put on there.
1:01:53
I mean all things being equal, you know that.
1:01:56
I think that was the tie breaker for me.
1:01:57
I knew Curtis had him in there anyway, but that time A breaking
1:02:00
for me was that you know, I couldn't argue with the numbers
1:02:03
relative to what you know, the guys I was comparing them
1:02:05
against and we didn't have a linebacker in there.
1:02:08
So let's put Ben in there. Absolutely.
1:02:11
All right, fans, Tom, we got to know yours.
1:02:17
So what is your poke Mount Rushmore?
1:02:23
It's gonna be out binds going to pop it on Twitter as we release
1:02:26
the Pod, tell us and yes, we are.
1:02:30
Admitting this will stop this hell.
1:02:33
We need actually, maybe we should do, instead of a Mount
1:02:37
Rushmore behind next year. Let's do a monument collection
1:02:40
where you put like 19 guys up or y s.
1:02:44
How about we do a Mount Rushmore for every position?
1:02:47
Yeah, let's I will shout out our buddy over there at the
1:02:52
two-minute drill field, that was the suggestion on one of the
1:02:56
Twitter boards. Yeah, maybe maybe by position.
1:02:59
So let's let's take a look at that next time but you know, we
1:03:04
what do you when you said that I had to drop the the quote on him
1:03:08
from A League of Their Own, man. It's the hard that makes it.
1:03:13
Great very true, my friends, very true, it wasn't hard,
1:03:17
everyone would do it. So that's why we did it.
1:03:19
We did it for you guys. We went out there and we look
1:03:22
through 30 plus names, and we said, we got to put four on the
1:03:26
Hokie Stone, the Mount Rushmore of Virginia Tech defense.
1:03:30
And we did it for you. Yes we did.
1:03:33
So definitely give us yours. Give us your opinions.
1:03:36
We look forward to this tomorrow.
1:03:38
It's probably going to make my work day.
1:03:39
Go by a hell of a lot quicker about yours too Brian.
1:03:43
Yeah absolutely. Alright guys so that wraps up
1:03:47
this episode of The Boundary corn podcast.
1:03:51
My name is Curtis Wilson, I'm Brian seagull.
1:03:54
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