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The Star Wars Summit · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 6: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Jacqueline.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Nick.
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  Speaker 8: I'm Jeff. I'm Ben.
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  Speaker 9: And we're here for a very special episode. I wasn't
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  Speaker 9: even sure, like going in, this was such a huge topic.
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  Speaker 9: I was like, can I even address it? Can we
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  Speaker 9: even touch everything that's going to go into this? And then, Ben,
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  Speaker 9: it's mostly your fault. We started talking and this happened.
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  Speaker 8: I'm perfectly prepared to talk about the 52nd anniversary of
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  Speaker 8: Doctor Who. I brought notes. I brought action figures to
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  Speaker 8: kind of set the scene.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, this weekend, a big movie came out. So
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  Speaker 9: I'm assuming we're all here to talk about sisters. I
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  Speaker 9: love Tina Fey. All right, fine. I saw that release date.
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  Speaker 9: I was like, oh. I was like, I guess they
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  Speaker 9: were going for counter-programming, but damn.
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  Speaker 8: I was like, that's harsh.
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  Speaker 10: Well, didn't she make some announcement like, She says Disney
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  Speaker 10: approached her to get her to move back the release
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  Speaker 10: date so that they wouldn't segregate the crowds.
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  Speaker 9: She's like, hell no. Tina Fey, damn it. I'll do
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  Speaker 9: what I want. So yes, we're here for Star Wars.
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  Speaker 9: Ben and I have given our rambling... tearful childhood memories
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  Speaker 9: on a previous episode.
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  Speaker 8: Several.
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  Speaker 9: Several.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Certainly if we can include your crossover episodes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I think that the, the most special magic one for
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  Speaker 9: me was the, I believe, my charming title for, um,
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  Speaker 9: episodes is, um, Show me on the doll where the
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  Speaker 9: movie touched you. So go ahead and Google that, people,
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  Speaker 9: and find that episode.
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  Speaker 8: I believe one was called Lukewarm Skywalker, too. That one
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  Speaker 8: was pretty good.
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  Speaker 9: These are all classic episodes. So we've sort of covered
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  Speaker 9: how old school ours are. So I was going to
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  Speaker 9: at least let the rest of you guys give a
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  Speaker 9: little intro, how your history with Star Wars came to
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  Speaker 9: be and what your take on it, before we even
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  Speaker 9: get into the new movie, just as a whole, as
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  Speaker 9: a subject, franchise.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, we had the collection at the time.
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  Speaker 11: It was just four, five, and six.
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  Speaker 9: On what format would that be?
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  Speaker 11: VHS.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, nice.
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  Speaker 6: And I would watch it on my very small, like what,
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  Speaker 6: like six or seven inch television with the built-in VHS.
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  Speaker 8: Can I ask you, what age range are you?
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  Speaker 11: I'm 24.
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  Speaker 8: You're 24, okay.
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  Speaker 9: None of your goddamn business, sir.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, no, that's very important, because, you know.
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  Speaker 9: It kind of, it does start to factor in as
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  Speaker 9: you get into these.
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  Speaker 8: I'm the old coot who, like, saw it when I
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  Speaker 8: was five, so.
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  Speaker 9: I saw it in the theater.
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  Speaker 10: That's my story, too.
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  Speaker 8: All right, cool.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I saw it when I was five, too,
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  Speaker 6: but it was just a different time.
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  Speaker 9: I was discussing that today, because, like, I had someone
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  Speaker 9: telling me, like, that they were sort of upset that, like,
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  Speaker 9: they were saying the new movies, like, these are for
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  Speaker 9: our generation, and then, like, the prequel people were like, no,
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  Speaker 9: and I'm like, no, these are all, like... Because they're
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  Speaker 9: so weird and timeless, they're kind of every generation. Every
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  Speaker 9: group of kids that comes along, no matter how they
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  Speaker 9: saw it, in theater, on VHS, on DVD, each group
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  Speaker 9: of kids is like, this is my Star Wars. I
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  Speaker 9: think we all kind of have the same stories, just
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  Speaker 9: different formats.
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  Speaker 8: There is one huge difference between you being five and
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  Speaker 8: seeing it on your VCR and me being five and
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  Speaker 8: seeing it in a movie theater. I couldn't watch it
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  Speaker 8: over again.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: You got to watch it probably over and over and
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  Speaker 8: over and over.
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  Speaker 6: I came home from elementary school every single day, popped
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  Speaker 6: in Return of the Jedi, and fell asleep.
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  Speaker 11: That was my little ritual.
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  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, again, everyone's story is equally as important
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  Speaker 10: as far as Star Wars, but I know, so I'm
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  Speaker 10: going to assume that I was born in 72. I
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  Speaker 10: take it you were so.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so... 1956 for me.
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  Speaker 9: So, as a five-year-old seeing Star Wars.
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  Speaker 10: And this is sort of a story I always tell.
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  Speaker 10: The top grossing science fiction movie of the year before
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  Speaker 10: was Logan's Run.
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  Speaker 9: Which is also awesome.
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  Speaker 10: Don't get me wrong. I'm not disrespecting Logan's Run at
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  Speaker 10: all because it's a fantastic movie. But if you look
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  Speaker 10: at Logan's Run and then see Star Wars, it's like
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  Speaker 10: there's a whole hundred years of movie advancement that went
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  Speaker 10: on between those two. It is such a radically different
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  Speaker 10: looking movie.
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  Speaker 8: Funny story. Last year was the first time I saw
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  Speaker 8: a Logan's Run. That's it.
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  Speaker 9: Your light's flashing.
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  Speaker 8: You're done.
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  Speaker 10: You know, so you make a good point. When we
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  Speaker 10: saw it, it was one and done. You had to go.
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  Speaker 9: It was a big event.
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  Speaker 10: And even then, I mean, I don't remember in this
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  Speaker 10: area any hype about Star Wars as far as, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 10: there's a science fiction movie. Let's go see it. And then, boom,
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  Speaker 10: my mind was blown.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: You know?
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 10: I don't remember any hype. I don't remember any news
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  Speaker 10: about it other than, let's go see this movie. And
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  Speaker 10: holy fucking shit, where did this movie come from?
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  Speaker 6: My mind was not blown when I went to see
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  Speaker 6: episode one with Jar Jar Binks.
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  Speaker 11: I was like, meh. My mind is not blown by this.
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  Speaker 10: You know, and again, I think it's unfair to say, well,
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  Speaker 10: the people that like the prequels, you know, Don't count. Well,
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  Speaker 10: it's all about, you know, you getting wrapped up in
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  Speaker 10: the magic. And it's easy for me to remember what
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  Speaker 10: it was like because there was nothing before or after
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  Speaker 10: Star Wars. You know, it came out of nowhere and
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  Speaker 10: was this huge cultural phenomenon. And as a five year
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  Speaker 10: old who you didn't really have the concept of, oh,
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  Speaker 10: I'm a geek or a nerd or whatever at the time.
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  Speaker 10: It's like, holy crap, this is. this is the most
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  Speaker 10: perfect movie for a five-year-old to ever see like me.
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  Speaker 9: And it sort of defines you. And I think a
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  Speaker 9: lot of that whole generation realized that. That was my thing.
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  Speaker 9: On that episode, I was like, that's the moment I went, oh,
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  Speaker 9: I like this. And I don't know that that ever
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  Speaker 9: pinned anything down as much as Star Wars. And then
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  Speaker 9: it became more of just movies in general. But that's
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  Speaker 9: kind of the first one I remember seeing in the theater.
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  Speaker 9: I remember being there. And it set the precedent. From
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  Speaker 9: there on, I was just like, oh, this theater thing
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  Speaker 9: is kind of cool. And everything that it brings with
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  Speaker 9: it is kind of what I'm into. And I don't
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  Speaker 9: think I ever had that before. Nothing ever kind of
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  Speaker 9: got as close after that.
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  Speaker 8: I think I had the opposite reaction because nothing for
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  Speaker 8: me was ever as good as Star Wars.
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  Speaker 9: Well, that's arguable as well.
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  Speaker 8: I'm so interested in the fact that you first saw
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  Speaker 8: it on VHS. And I guess you did.
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  Speaker 4: Too, right? Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: We skipped over you.
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  Speaker 8: I'm so sorry. Oh, no, no. But it's like I
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  Speaker 8: think I became obsessed with it because I've talked about
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  Speaker 8: this before on those episodes that you mentioned. I'll give
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  Speaker 8: a brief recap. Like back back in the old days
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  Speaker 8: when I was a kid, it seemed like a movie
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  Speaker 8: would come out. It would be in the theater and
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  Speaker 8: then it would vanish forever. There was never any kind
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  Speaker 8: of conception that you would ever see a movie again.
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  Speaker 9: First, it would hang around in the theater, blowing kids' minds.
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  Speaker 9: For like six to eight months sometimes, if it was
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  Speaker 9: a popular movie. Star Wars was way longer than that.
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  Speaker 9: But once it was gone, you didn't see it again.
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  Speaker 9: It was done.
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  Speaker 8: I think what turned me into an obsessive little geeky
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  Speaker 8: kid is because I was so enraptured by it, I
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  Speaker 8: tried to do whatever I could to remember it. So
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  Speaker 8: it's like all the toys, I would keep all of
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  Speaker 8: the packaging because the packaging had pictures. And that was
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  Speaker 8: a scene. And I remember what happened in that scene.
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  Speaker 8: I would get the books. I would study every picture
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  Speaker 8: that I could get because that was the only way
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  Speaker 8: I had of seeing it again, to my mind. And
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  Speaker 8: that turned me into this obsessive little monster where I
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  Speaker 8: would keep everything. Were you the same one?
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  Speaker 9: That's why we're hoarders now.
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  Speaker 10: Well, and again, it's... Before Star Wars, there wasn't sort
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  Speaker 10: of this multi-pronged attack on your youth as far as
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  Speaker 10: the movies. And, I mean, I remember... So, Kroger had
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  Speaker 10: these giant comic books that they would give out for
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  Speaker 10: free from shopping at Kroger. And they were basically Marvel's
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  Speaker 10: versions of Star Wars. You know, and I mean... Mom,
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  Speaker 10: we've got to go to Kroger and get these comic books.
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  Speaker 9: A grocery store if you live in another part of
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  Speaker 9: the country.
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  Speaker 10: Right. Or world. And then, um you know i remember
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  Speaker 10: sending off the proofs of purchase to get the six-pack
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  Speaker 10: action figure you know that had those and it was
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  Speaker 10: i mean there was there was nothing like that existed
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  Speaker 10: before that so so as much as i may i
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  Speaker 10: malign george lucas for what he became um The way
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  Speaker 10: that everything just hooked into the kids at the time
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  Speaker 10: and it just all enveloped you. It never happened before.
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  Speaker 10: Other shows that had, and again, I'm not sure, did
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  Speaker 10: Space Like 1999 and Battlestar Galactica. Battlestar Galactica was after that,
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  Speaker 10: but Space 1999 had toys.
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  Speaker 9: It had toys because I think I ended up with
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  Speaker 9: that giant ship secondhand.
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  Speaker 10: But nothing was as awesome as... Star Wars action figures.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 10: And then getting the Sears and JCPenney Christmas catalogs and
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  Speaker 10: being like, I want that.
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  Speaker 8: And I want that. And I want that.
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  Speaker 10: You know, it just.
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  Speaker 8: And again, the toys, it was a way of me
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  Speaker 8: trying to preserve it in my memory.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 8: So I'm really curious because you could essentially fall asleep
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  Speaker 8: to it every night.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Did you feel as obsessive, like, ooh, I want stuff
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  Speaker 8: from it, or was just having the movie good enough,
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  Speaker 8: and you knew that you liked it?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 6: Well, at that time, it wasn't that the movie came out,
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  Speaker 6: you never saw it again. It was like you were
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  Speaker 6: bombarded from every possible.
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  Speaker 11: Venue, like Star Wars, Star Wars, Star Wars, everything.
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  Speaker 6: At any point, you go to the toy section of
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  Speaker 6: the store, it's just like, a wall for Star Wars.
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  Speaker 6: You go to the, like, book section, there's, like, a wall.
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  Speaker 9: For kids and Star Wars. And that depends, it depends
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  Speaker 9: which time period you, because it bounced back and forth,
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  Speaker 9: because there's also those dark times, that, like, 10-year period
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  Speaker 9: in the middle where, like, not only was there no merchandise,
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  Speaker 9: but it wasn't really cool to like Star Wars anymore.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I had a Star Wars Lego set.
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  Speaker 9: Before the re-release, it was the dark times for geeks, and, like,
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  Speaker 9: you were just as much a Star Trek geek if
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  Speaker 9: you liked Star Wars, you know? It was like, we
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  Speaker 9: were all kind of shunned the same... nerdy way and
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  Speaker 9: like it wasn't until they started doing that redo to
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  Speaker 9: when they did the thx and they put it back
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  Speaker 9: in theaters before they doctored it up that first time
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  Speaker 9: was the first time they were like oh okay wait
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  Speaker 9: this is cool again and they started making like they
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  Speaker 9: brought out that new wave of toys.
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  Speaker 8: I think what also happened is the five-year-olds like me
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  Speaker 8: suddenly had jobs and had money and.
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  Speaker 9: The curse of gen xers yeah it really is it's.
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  Speaker 8: Like I feel, Tara, we've skipped over you. Tell us,
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  Speaker 8: what movie did you fall asleep to every night?
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  Speaker 12: Well, like her, I had episodes four, five, and six
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  Speaker 12: on VHS. I also bought some novels, like books, but
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  Speaker 12: they didn't come out contemporaneously with the original.
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  Speaker 9: I had the novels, yeah. Actually, I ran across it
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  Speaker 9: again when we were constantly rummaging through boxes.
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  Speaker 10: So you never did, like, Splinters of the Mind's Eye
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  Speaker 10: or the Han Solo trilogy or the Lionel Calrissian trilogy?
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  Speaker 6: I had some weird book of, like, lore that I found, like, old, like,
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  Speaker 6: thousands of years before, like, New Hope came out.
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  Speaker 11: It's like, that's where this book of lore took place.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 11: I spent a lot of time memorizing that stuff. I'm like,
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  Speaker 11: who even came up with this? This is just trying
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  Speaker 11: to get money.
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  Speaker 8: It's so weird. It's like, I love the movie so
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  Speaker 8: much that I tried to read the novels and they
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  Speaker 8: started going in weird places. And I became one of those,
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  Speaker 8: if it ain't on the screen, I don't care, guys.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm probably terrible. But I will say it's not
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  Speaker 8: bit me in the ass now because I didn't invest
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  Speaker 8: years of my life into the spinoff novels because now
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  Speaker 8: suddenly Disney said, oh, those don't count anymore. So I
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  Speaker 8: didn't feel that burn as much as you might have.
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  Speaker 9: They're still there. They're legends now.
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  Speaker 10: Well, and again, it's... Star Wars legends. At the time,
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  Speaker 10: you know... Kids these days are lucky because the whole
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  Speaker 10: universe of things is now groomed and tailored. Whereas it
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  Speaker 10: was the wild, wild west back then. Marvel came out
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  Speaker 10: with their... Marvel bought the rights to Star Wars and
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  Speaker 10: they came out with their whole thing that introduced rabbit
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  Speaker 10: guys that looked like Bugs Bunny.
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  Speaker 8: I had those too.
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  Speaker 9: That was fucking awesome. I had those too.
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  Speaker 8: I love that guy.
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  Speaker 5: And that was....
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  Speaker 10: I never really followed a whole lot of the extended universe,
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  Speaker 10: but they were hit and miss. Like, you'd have a
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  Speaker 10: good writer do some awesome stuff, and then you'd have
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  Speaker 10: crap writers who just... If we slap Star Wars on it,
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  Speaker 10: the kids will buy any crap that we talk about.
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  Speaker 9: Did you read Splendor of the Mind's Eye?
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  Speaker 10: Oh, God, as a kid, I devoured that.
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  Speaker 9: It goes so in weird directions that you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 9: this doesn't match the story when Empire comes along.
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  Speaker 10: And you know why? Because he didn't think there'd be
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  Speaker 10: Empire Strikes Back. He didn't know whether there'd be Empire
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  Speaker 10: Strikes Back. So Splinter of the Mind's Eye was just,
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  Speaker 10: we can make this one on a cheaper budget than
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  Speaker 10: Star Wars and still make a film from it.
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  Speaker 9: And I feel like a lot of those big reveals
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  Speaker 9: that came in part two and part three, I think
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  Speaker 9: a lot of that was on the fly. Especially part
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  Speaker 9: three's big reveal. I'm like, I think he came up
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  Speaker 9: with that one. No matter what lies he told us later,
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  Speaker 9: I think a lot of that sibling thing came up
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  Speaker 9: right at the end.
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  Speaker 10: Well, and again, I think that George Lucas has a
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  Speaker 10: problem with revising his past. Oh, he definitely does. He
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  Speaker 10: just can't accept that the past was the past. And,
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  Speaker 10: you know, I didn't know what I was doing or
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  Speaker 10: I had a crappy idea. He can't accept that.
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  Speaker 9: Which they, I mean, I've recently heard people discussing some
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  Speaker 9: of the stuff in that original, original draft. Oh, we're like.
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  Speaker 9: Or whatever all that nonsense was. And like, It was insane.
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  Speaker 9: And I'm like, that would not have taken off. Like,
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  Speaker 9: don't kid yourself, Lucas. Like, there's a reason it got
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  Speaker 9: honed to what it is and why that worked.
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  Speaker 13: It was always like that.
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  Speaker 10: Well, and again.
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  Speaker 9: In his mind.
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  Speaker 10: A lot of things, you know, we give credit to
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  Speaker 10: one person for the vision of something, but a lot
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  Speaker 10: of times it's this doctoring of four or five people.
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  Speaker 10: And Lucas was only good when he had other people
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  Speaker 10: sort of steering him.
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  Speaker 9: Or bouncing ideas off him.
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  Speaker 10: But when left to his own, Lucas comes up with crap.
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  Speaker 2: Cantina.
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  Speaker 13: What?
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  Speaker 10: At the time, so that was mind-blowingly awesome.
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  Speaker 12: It probably inspired like 10,000 kids to play clarinet.
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  Speaker 9: Or like to go get one.
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  Speaker 10: You know, but it was the, you know, Kasdan and
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  Speaker 10: all the other people around him that sort of made
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  Speaker 10: They sort of reigned him in, but as it got
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  Speaker 10: more and more popular, you couldn't reign in Lucas.
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  Speaker 9: Well, and he got more and more powerful in the industry. Specifically,
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  Speaker 9: back to the toy thing, you do know that that
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  Speaker 9: was his deal, because he'd made American Graffiti before Star Wars,
• 16:39
  Speaker 9: and it did moderately well. And they were like, oh,
• 16:42
  Speaker 9: you can probably bump up your asking price as a
• 16:44
  Speaker 9: director to do this next movie. And he was like, nah,
• 16:46
  Speaker 9: it's okay. I'll take the set director amount. I just
• 16:49
  Speaker 9: want some points on the merchandising. And they were like... idiot, okay, merchandising.
• 16:55
  Speaker 9: They don't make merchandise for movies. And that may be
• 17:00
  Speaker 9: his most genius thing he ever did. He was just like,
• 17:03
  Speaker 9: I'll take that. And from that point on, he had
• 17:06
  Speaker 9: more money than he could ever be accounted for.
• 17:09
  Speaker 10: It's genius because it worked out. If it hadn't worked out,
• 17:12
  Speaker 10: it'd be the most foolish thing he ever did.
• 17:15
  Speaker 9: I mean, even then, he would just... Because, again, there
• 17:17
  Speaker 9: was a good chance that there wouldn't have been a
• 17:18
  Speaker 9: second movie, and it was a one-off, and, oh, well,
• 17:20
  Speaker 9: he got to make his movie, and it didn't work. So,
• 17:22
  Speaker 9: I mean, he still... That was a smart move on
• 17:25
  Speaker 9: his part, especially at that time when people... Even he
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: had no idea just how well that was going to
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: work out. It was a smart move, but even he
• 17:33
  Speaker 9: couldn't have predicted how much money would be thrown at
• 17:35
  Speaker 9: him over the years because of nothing but marketing.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: You're going to have to tell people at the front
• 17:40
  Speaker 8: of this what part to skip forward to for the
• 17:43
  Speaker 8: Episode 7 talk because this is all like, you know.
• 17:46
  Speaker 9: It's all one big thing, and that's my plan.
• 17:50
  Speaker 8: Well, you started talking about you read the novels and
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: then you got off on this. Oh, yeah.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Video games.
• 17:55
  Speaker 12: I remember going to a daycare with like 100 other kids,
• 17:59
  Speaker 12: and there was a computer, one computer, and everyone was
• 18:02
  Speaker 12: huddled around it, and they had a Star Wars, excuse.
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: Me, It's all J.J. Abrams now. Okay, you're right.
• 18:11
  Speaker 10: Was it Dark Empire?
• 18:12
  Speaker 12: It might have been that. It was probably late 90s,
• 18:15
  Speaker 12: early 2000s. Something like that, yeah.
• 18:17
  Speaker 10: I think that was Dark Empire ones, yeah.
• 18:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, so played that. Saw episodes one, two,
• 18:25
  Speaker 12: and three. And, you know, it was... I was actually
• 18:30
  Speaker 12: preoccupied with this thought. The idea that Palpatine could... spin
• 18:37
  Speaker 12: his descent, just the physical deterioration of looking like shit,
• 18:42
  Speaker 12: and just be like, oh, I'm sick.
• 18:44
  Speaker 13: And now people would buy it.
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: He is a politician.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 18:49
  Speaker 12: I just imagine an American politician who looked like the
• 18:53
  Speaker 12: Crypt Keeper, and was just waving, and people were like, woo!
• 18:55
  Speaker 10: Or didn't one day, and then the next day shows up.
• 18:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and he looks like no. Don't mind me, guys.
• 19:01
  Speaker 12: There's no eyes, and he's just wrinkly and white, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 12: I look gross.
• 19:05
  Speaker 13: I mean, that would have been perfect. I mean, as
• 19:07
  Speaker 13: a politician, that would have been perfect ammunition. Like, look
• 19:10
  Speaker 13: at this guy. Looks like the bottom of my foot
• 19:12
  Speaker 13: after I've been swimming too long.
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: But you got to think, in this universe, there's aliens
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: that look like the bottoms of people's feet. They probably
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: are like, eh, it's just another guy.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 19:23
  Speaker 12: Actually, you're talking about the current movie, With the cast
• 19:29
  Speaker 12: the way that no one made a big deal about.
• 19:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's just kind of matter of fact. It's like, okay, yeah,
• 19:34
  Speaker 11: you have a black lady, you have.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: A female up-and-coming Jedi. It's not like people aren't constantly
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: talking about it.
• 19:42
  Speaker 11: There's not too many of.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: Those like, oh, that girl just beat up that guy.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: There's none of that as much. It's just really matter
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: of fact.
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: It's a very different world.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: And I was just like, yeah, it's cool that they didn't, like,
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: pay attention. It was just, like, presented for what it was.
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: And he was like, well, I hope not. Like, thousands
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: of years in this, you know.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker 12: There's, like, all these different species roaming around, and, like,
• 20:02
  Speaker 12: someone would be hung up on a black guy.
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: I'm like, what?
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: How'd you get through? Sadly, that's... It's part of, again,
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: it's just showing a difference in the way that we.
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: Look at things.
• 20:14
  Speaker 13: It was in the past, too. It's more impressive.
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: Future slash past world.
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: You're actually getting into something I was, a little theory
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: I was kind of contemplating. I'm beginning to think Star
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: Wars is a thinly veiled commentary on the dangers of profiling,
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: like racial profiling. Because if you think about it, like
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: in today's world, we have this fun little group of
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: guys called ISIS. And because of that kind of stuff,
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: people tend to see people of that sort of racial
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: descent with distrust, you know, like if you're on a
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: plane and, you know, someone comes in wearing a turban,
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: everyone gets a little bit nervous. It's just kind of
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: how people are because they're profiling and then people are
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: crazy and they don't trust people. It's like they say
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: in the New York City subways, if you see something,
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: say something. That is just the kind of culture that
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: everybody is in. And it occurred to me that the Empire,
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: the First Order, they're all humans. Every single one of
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: them is human. You never see an alien in the Empire.
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: You never see an alien in this new First Order.
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: And yet, every other alien species in the world Apparently,
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: when they see someone like Rey or they see someone
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: like Finn, they don't immediately assume you're in the Empire.
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: You're in the First Order. They don't do the profiling
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: for some reason. Whereas if this was taking place in America,
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: you're a human. You must be one of them First
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: Order people. Get off my planet. That kind of thing.
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: And it's kind of beautiful because they didn't resort to
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: profiling and they were allowed to go on their heroic journey.
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: So it made me a little cry.
• 21:58
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: On that note, do we want to move into the
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: new movie?
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: Well, did you finish your background story?
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: I think so, yeah.
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: Okay. I mean, we'll roll back into it. Background rambling.
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: We'll roll back into it because I've got several other
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: things that tie back into the overall thing and all
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: of it. But we can at least start addressing some
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: of these stuff.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: So we're going to talk about Episode 7 now, right?
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Get more out of life. Go out to a movie.
• 22:30
  Speaker 14: Who are you?
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: I'm no one.
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: I had nothing to fight for.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Nothing will stand in our way. I will finish what
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: you started.
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: There are stories about what happened.
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: The dark.
• 23:38
  Speaker 14: Side.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: A Jedi.
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: A Jedi.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: The Force.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: It's calling to you.
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: Just let it in.
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: Since we all went out on the town, you've only
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: seen it once too, Ben, right?
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, you just saw it today.
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: I just saw it today. You guys saw it today.
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: So we're all very recent in this. But just to
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: bring everyone up to speed here, let's get the rundown.
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: This week's feature is Star Wars The Force Awakens. The
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: year is 2015. The director is Mr.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: J.J.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: Abrams.
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: And they plot according to IMDb. Three decades after the
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: defeat of the Galactic Empire, a new threat arises. The
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: First Order attempts to rule the galaxy, and only a
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: ragtag group of heroes can stop them, along with the
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: help of the Resistance. Spoiler alert if we haven't already
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: spoiled anything for you out of the past movies. We're
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: certainly going to spoil the hell out of Episode 7,
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: so you've been warned. Hopefully you've already seen the movie
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: by now.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: If you're a geek.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: If not, what the hell are you thinking?
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: We're actually, I mean, I can get to one of
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: the things that I was most impressed with that we
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: were just touching on. I think even more so than
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: the racial slash alien thing was just the role of
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: women in this new Star Wars.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: Before you go there, where the hell was Lando?
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: Where was Lando? He's on Star Wars Rebels. All right.
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: So that's my thing. I was most impressed with that
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: because I have to say when they showed the picture
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: of them at the reading several years ago, and I
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: think even on Facebook, I complained. I was like, what
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: the hell? We're in a whole new world now. How
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: are you just going to have one female character again?
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: We had that the last time. Granted, she's a pretty
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: awesome female character, but that was it.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: short of about five other females in the entire universe
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: in the original trilogy, most of which are kind of
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: not all that useful. Even the one who's sort of
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: a power figure is not very impressive. So Leia is
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: pretty much all we've got as a female figure to
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: go on in the original trilogy. And in this new one,
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: Rey is badass.
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: Badass.
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: And.
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: Not only that, but the fact that she kind of
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: does everything on her own. She is equally as badass
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: as the rest of the male counterparts. Is possibly smarter
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: than all of them combined. And then on top of that,
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: the fact that we do see... We see other female
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: characters out there. We see a female stormtrooper now. We
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: see imperial officers that are females. We see rebel pilots
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: that are female. I'm like, that's... kind of awesome because I've, again,
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: we've had this whole several generations of girls growing up
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: and we've gotten to the point that girls really like
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: Star Wars. It's not a boy thing anymore. And I'm like,
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: it kind of sucked when they're like, I'm going to
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: dress up as Leia. Like, that was it. Like, what
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: are you going to be, Mon Mothra?
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: Come on.
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: Like, you have one option and sadly most of the
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: time it's wearing next to nothing, which was sort of
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: the downfall of having that as your female character and
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: then using her in the third movie in a weird,
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: weird way. But, I don't know. I think that was
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: one of the things I was most impressed with. And
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: I think they've made that a movement in the entire
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: universe because actually, and I don't know if this was
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: in the works before they showed that photograph and they
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: took a lot of heat because of it, but I
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: mentioned Star Wars Rebels. We watched that.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: I love it.
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: It's a good show. And look how many characters are females. Like,
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: almost half of the cast.
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: Almost representative of the population?
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: But, I mean, in a sci-fi story, how often is
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: that the case?
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: Yeah, not ever.
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: It's usually one, maybe two if you got a big cast.
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: And they're all wearing super skin tight, like nothing showing.
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: I'm like, this one, the person in charge is female.
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: the kind of badass rogue character is female. Like at
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: least three of your main people running the show are female.
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: And I'm like, that's awesome. Like I can't, again, just
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: watching kids grow up now and one of, which is
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: my niece. And I'm thinking of the world she's going
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: to grow up in.
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: And I'm like, She's going to have a Jedi to
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: look up to that looks like her.
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: She's going to have a badass Jedi, and she can
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: dress up like Rey now. So good for her.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: It makes me feel more comfortable when I'm watching a
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: movie when it looks like the real world.
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: I mean, except for the aliens and stuff. But when
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: it looks like something that's believable, I'm like, oh, cool.
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: This is for me, too. It's not just for another
• 28:47
  Speaker 11: group of people.
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: I mean, even our weird barkeep lady, whatever she was exactly.
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: But again.
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: Pretty strong female character. Even being an alien, it's pretty
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: obvious she's a female because she's into Chewie.
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: Okay, can I ask something?
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: Please do.
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: Do you remember when Chewbacca was getting his arm bandaged
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: up and there was that lady who was doing it
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: and she was going, oh, you're a big hero, aren't you?
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: Who was that? Were we supposed to know who that was?
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: I don't think so. Again, I was just like, yeah,
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: I remember this. There's another... Very specific, like, here's another
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: female in the rebellion.
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: And she wasn't young. She was kind of older. So
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: I was like, is that Leia's second cousin, and she
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: got her on the government program?
• 29:33
  Speaker 10: I know that Carrie Fisher's real life daughter was one
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: of the rebel commanders or one of the rebel in
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: the little base. You know what scene I'm talking about, right?
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: I think that was just more of a deconstruction of
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: Chewbacca being this gruff badass. No, he's actually kind of
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: milking getting shot in the.
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: Arm for every bit that he can, which is awesome.
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: It's one of those little throwaway lines that really It's
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: character development that was sorely missing from the dark years
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: of Star Wars.
• 30:05
  Speaker 13: He's actually a charmer.
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: Exactly.
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: I mean, he's like, hey, I took a bullet.
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: Okay. Han and Leia broke up. Because Chewbacca was obviously
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: flirting with this nurse, has he and Mala called it Splitsville, too?
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: It's been 30 years, man.
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: Well, again, the barkeep lady's got a thing for him.
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: Maybe Chewbacca just kind of gets around these days.
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: You guys have seen the Star Wars Christmas special, right?
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: I didn't inflict it on them like everyone else.
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: Where you meet Chewbacca's family and his wife.
• 30:37
  Speaker 11: Actually, no, I did see it again like three years.
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: Ago at a Christmas party. Chewbacca has a wife.
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: That was a crazy, crazy movie.
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: It's disturbing.
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: I'm just thinking, did he leave them all out? What
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: the hell?
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I try not to get too far
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: into that storyline because then I have to admit to
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: myself that Chewbacca's a deadbeat dad.
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: It's true.
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: Well, I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm just saying
• 30:58
  Speaker 9: I don't like to think about that part because I
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: don't like the deadbeat dad nonsense.
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: You know, I don't like using this kind of rationale,
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: but the 70s were a weird time.
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: You got a point there.
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: Free to love Chewbacca.
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: Maybe he'll flirt, but he'll always bring it back, and
• 31:14
  Speaker 12: then he'll take that brinksmanship energy back home, and then
• 31:17
  Speaker 12: his wife.
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: Will be like, I love you, Julie. Yes, I screwed
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: that nurse, but I make love to you, Marla.
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: Or Mala fell off the tree. I mean, you saw
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: how high... It was really high where they lived.
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: Lumpy pushed her over.
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: I mean, we know Lumpy fell off.
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: This movie is all about kids being pissed off at
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: their parents. Lumpy pushed Mala over.
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: The whole franchise.
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: I'm curious. Did you like it, everyone? Yes or no?
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: Surprising how much I liked it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: Yes, I only had one little niggle. And that's... that's,
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: I couldn't believe it. Just one niggle.
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: I have a few minor issues, but, but again, they
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: are so minor compared to the guard that I went
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: in with up and the burn that we all got
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: years ago. It's, it's amazing that I went in and
• 32:10
  Speaker 9: was just like, Oh my God, this is fun again.
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: And I haven't said that since I was a kid.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: I think there's, it's, it's, there's two questions. Was it
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: a good star Wars movie? And then was it a
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: good movie? Um, great Star Wars movie.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: Fantastic.
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: Good movie. Yes. But with some flaws, but as a
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: Star Wars movie out of the park compared to what
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: we've received.
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: It's, it is what, I mean, that, that was, it
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: was the, the weird feeling. And I remember like I'm
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: midway into like, not even there. It's maybe by the
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: time they go back up to the ship and they
• 32:46
  Speaker 9: just start trying to like, I don't know, it's maybe 30,
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: 40 minutes in, it's not even that far in and
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: I'm already like so enjoying it. And, and I've, Thought
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: to myself in the theater right there, I never felt
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: this way in the prequels.
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: Ever.
• 32:59
  Speaker 9: Ever got close to this feeling.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: They talk like real people. That was amazing. The dialogue
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: was the banner. There was none of that, I'm so
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: happy because I'm so in love with you. No, I'm
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: happy because I'm in love with you. No, I'm happy
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: because there was none of that crap. Even the damn...
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: a beach ball droid had personality.
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: He did.
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: He had more personality than Jar Jar and all that.
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: Like the part where he gave Finn that thumbs up.
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: Oh my God.
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: And that's what, you know, that, you know, that's all
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: you need for character development is those little throwaway lines
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: was the thumbs up or the where's Chewie? Where's my boyfriend?
• 33:40
  Speaker 10: I mean, that's all you needed to know about that
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: character was She's into Chewie and that.
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: Or things like Han using Chewie's gun. Why did he
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: not have the line of like, why haven't I been
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: using this all the time?
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: That was the funniest thing. And the way that became
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: this ongoing thing, like after 40 years, he picks it
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: up for the first time. And he's just like.
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: Can I... Just that hymn of like, is it okay
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: if I.
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: I gotta say though, like every time I saw Finn
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: and Han Solo in a scene together, I kept thinking
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: about how much.
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: I hated Shia LaBeouf. How shitty Shia LaBeouf is, you know?
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: So Finn should be Indy Jr.? Because I'm okay with that, actually.
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: It seemed like there was a point in time where
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: they were pushing Shia LaBeouf as the next definitive sci-fi
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: action star, voice of a generation.
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: Wow, before he went crazy.
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: But even before that, he was just terrible. And I hated, like,
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: I hated the Transformers shit. I hated the Indiana Jones thing.
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: And I was just seeing the way Finn and Han
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: were interacting. And it was real. It was like real people.
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: And it was kind of making me think. I think
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: Shia LaBeouf is one of these guys that has been
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: wealthy since he was a kid. And he's grown up
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: in this sheltered lifestyle. And so he doesn't really know
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: what ordinary people are like. So whenever he plays movies
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: where he's trying to portray... what he thinks is an
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: ordinary person. He just comes off as this douche.
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's like an alien's impression of a human.
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: Exactly.
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: Thank you. Spot on. I'm putting my finger on my
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: nose and pointing at you.
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: Did you ever see Attack the Block?
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: No.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, so.
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: Early 2000 sci-fi movie?
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: I was blown away. Fantastic movie.
• 35:26
  Speaker 10: I did not see it coming. John Boyega's first movie.
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 35:30
  Speaker 10: And basically, the director got a bunch of kids, had
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: never acted before, and he knocked it out of the
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: park in that movie. What year was that? 2005, 6-ish, 7-ish.
• 35:42
  Speaker 10: What movie is this?
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: Attack the Block.
• 35:44
  Speaker 10: It's called Attack the Block. But there you go. He
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: was not an actor, but the kids got chops... out
• 35:52
  Speaker 10: the ass, you know? So, so, and again, and it,
• 35:55
  Speaker 10: it comes down, their, their whole interaction, especially with Han
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: kept calling him big deal the entire time because the
• 36:02
  Speaker 10: one line, wait, I'm kind of a big deal.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: But, but.
• 36:06
  Speaker 10: It is that kind of dialogue and interplay that makes
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: or breaks most movies for me because they talk like,
• 36:12
  Speaker 10: you know, if my friend would say, yeah, I'm a
• 36:14
  Speaker 10: big deal, whatever, I'd probably nickname him big deal too. That,
• 36:17
  Speaker 10: that's what you want. You want people that look and
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: act and talk sort of like you do.
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: Because I saw that first Transformers movie and the scene
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: where you meet Shia LaBeouf and he's in this high
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: school classroom. He's trying to sell his grandfather's artifacts because
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: he's trying to get a car to impress him. And
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: the way he's talking. No one is like this. No
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: one is like this. And his whole range of dialogue is.
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no.
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: Move, move, move, move, move, move. And then you see
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: him in the Indiana Jones movie and he's just bringing
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: it down and For a while there, I was really afraid.
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: This is where crap's going. I hate the Transformers. I
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: hope Michael Bay sees this Star Wars movie and begins
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: to realize why people think he's so shitty. Because this
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: movie was just... It was fun. It had heart. You
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: don't need to have... dog humping jokes you don't need
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: to have parents who are embassy you know it's.
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: Just have real people in it man jj knows how
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: to shoot a movie where michael bay does not like
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: he does not know how to he's like he would
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: be good for your second unit which is what he
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: used to do a long time ago but like to
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: be a director he doesn't know how to stage a
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: scene so that you as an audience member can figure
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: out what's going on i think that's one of these
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: because now all he does is action it's like You
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: have to be able to lay out an action scene
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: so that the audience knows where everything is, what's going on.
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: None of his are like that. Whereas JJ is the opposite.
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: Like even like going back to his earlier stuff, Mission
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: Impossible 3 is still pretty entertaining. I was like, I
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: feel like he at least knows how to shoot a
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: movie so that you're at least along for the ride.
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: And even he kind of like, even Star Trek stuff,
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: he doesn't take it. overly seriously he keeps it just
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: at the right amount of fun and entertaining again sometimes
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: people have problems with how loose he is with especially
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: star trek they got a little annoyed with the canon
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: but i think.
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: That's why i was so impressed with this because for
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: such a long time it seemed like the state of
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: like i like the superhero movies drive me crazy you
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: know the the the transformers you know it's just this
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: is the first time i've seen a movie in Decades,
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: it feels like, that got what it meant to be
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: a fun movie.
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: I'll argue the Marvel movies with you, but otherwise, that's
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: kind of true.
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: Well, the thing is, the reason I bring that up is, well,
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: I have a history. Me and superheroes don't really get
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: along that well.
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: I've heard that a few times.
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: And the trailers before the movie were the Batman-Superman outing.
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: See, luckily, that was not before.
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: And the Captain America Civil War.
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: I think that looks badass.
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: And both of them were just overly gritty and dark
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: and serious and everyone's mad and everyone's like, oh, we're
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: going to fight.
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: We can't talk.
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: Have you ever seen Robert Downey Jr.? He can't ever
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: be serious.
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: But it was just, and it was just so, like
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: even in the trailer, it was just so over the
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: top and like, oh my God.
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: That one hits pretty heavy subject matter.
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: So it's like, I saw these two trailers and I
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: was just like, come on, come on, come on, come on,
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: you know, get to it. And immediately the minute star
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: wars starts it's a completely different feel from that and
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: that's true i i just it's oh i could go
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: on for hours i.
• 39:41
  Speaker 10: Have to disagree with you too about the marvel stuff
• 39:43
  Speaker 10: they they actually um When I think of what makes
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: a great movie, it is that balance between action, drama,
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: and humor. And Star Wars had it. Lost Ark had it. Like,
• 39:58
  Speaker 10: Wrath of Khan had it. And to me, those are
• 40:01
  Speaker 10: the things you... That's how you shoot towards a movie is...
• 40:05
  Speaker 10: But you've got to have realistic humor going on between them.
• 40:07
  Speaker 10: You just can't throw in poop jokes like Phantom Menace
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: and stuff like that. And again, it's even more just
• 40:13
  Speaker 10: subtle throwaway stuff like... I'm sure everyone knows that the
• 40:17
  Speaker 10: scene where Ray convinces the Stormtrooper to leave.
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: Time out. Oh, no, I know that fun fact.
• 40:27
  Speaker 10: You can do the honors.
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: Make your note.
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: You know who that was, right? Do you know who
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: that was?
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: Tell the listeners.
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: Do you know who that was? Do you know who
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: was playing the Stormtrooper in that scene?
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: No.
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: Do you know what we're talking about? The scene where
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: Ray's tied up to the table?
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: Do you know who it was?
• 40:43
  Speaker 13: I do not know who it was.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Who was it?
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: Who was it?
• 40:46
  Speaker 10: Daniel Craig.
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: What?
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: Interesting.
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: James Bond was a Jedi mind trick stormtrooper.
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: I mean, who doesn't want to have a cameo in there?
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: Especially if you can do it and nobody knows that
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: it's you.
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: That's hilarious.
• 41:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah, because I want to say it started with Simon
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: Pegg made some comment about he was in the movie
• 41:06
  Speaker 10: and he's like, and I think the old Wario Stormtrooper
• 41:08
  Speaker 10: was like, I'm not, but Daniel Craig was. And he's like, oops,
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: I shouldn't have said that.
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: Oh, I didn't see anything about that.
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: And then everyone went trolling to try to figure out
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: where was Daniel Craig in the movie, and that was
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: apparently his little scene.
• 41:20
  Speaker 11: See, I hadn't seen that that had been a thing,
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: so I wasn't looking for it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 10: Now, I found out after the fact, and now I
• 41:26
  Speaker 10: want to see it again and really listen to his
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: voice to see if I can catch it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: I was on a media internet blackout for two weeks,
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: and I had no idea.
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: On that note, I will say, again, it was days
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: before I got around to seeing it, just sort of
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: prepping for this and us getting tickets, which were sold
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: out every other show today. So, like, just happened to
• 41:48
  Speaker 9: get in under the wire there. But I was on
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: a lot of the time, still posting stuff about the show,
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: still posting the link for the last episode. And I'm like,
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: I'm probably going to get hit. I didn't see anything.
• 42:00
  Speaker 9: So I'm like... I am proud of Star Wars fans
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: out there because there's a couple of big reveals there.
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: And I'm like, none of it made out. None of
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: it made it onto Twitter, Facebook, anywhere. So if you
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: guys had a different experience, I'm sorry, but I was shocked.
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: I was like, maybe there just aren't anything. Maybe it's
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: a pretty simple story and there's no big twist to it,
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: but there's several things you can run for that, people,
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: and nobody said anything.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: I saw some Facebook posts that had spoilers ahead and
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: they would like, press enter a thousand times so that
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: you have to keep reading to see it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: I'm like, you're sweet. I did see somebody on Twitter
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: today posted, so how long is the blackout until we
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: can talk about it? It was like desperation. It was
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: like us. I just want to talk about it. When
• 42:45
  Speaker 9: can I talk about it?
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: That's when you get real friends and not Twitter.
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: That's what I'm saying. That's why I was like, whoever
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: wants to come, gather around this table and talk about
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: Star Wars. That's what we're doing tonight. The rest of
• 42:56
  Speaker 9: you people are stupid because you didn't come. So, we're
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: lucky we get to talk about Star Wars. Now, where
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: were you going before? You veered off of Marvel and
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: then had her tied to the chair. Were we just
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: doing dialogue? Because, again, that's my thing. It's like, you
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: can't argue Wheaton. Like, he's got such a knack for
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: comedy that I would love to see them hand him
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: one of the Star Wars upcoming mini, mini franchise.
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: Movies coming out. I did like the Avengers movie. I
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: will say that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: Again, his stuff is so clever.
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: That kind of turned me, you know, but it's... It's
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: all the other stuff that kind of like the Superman.
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: See, DC doesn't know how to do movies. It really doesn't.
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: I saw the Fantastic Four. That doesn't count.
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: That's not.
• 43:36
  Speaker 14: See, no.
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: Only official Marvel Universe.
• 43:39
  Speaker 10: If it's not Marvel stamped, even though it was a
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: Marvel property, you really got to separate it out.
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: Because even one that veers off, Guardians of the Galaxy,
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: it's the closest thing to something like this. It's funny,
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: and it's a really fun ride. I did hear people
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: last year going- this is star Wars for kids. Like
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: this is their star Wars. And I, I wanted to
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: take offense to that, but I'm like, damn, it's really
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: good though. So I'm like, again, those Marvel approved ones
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: are really smart and have a good sense of humor
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: about it. That one in particular is damn near a comedy,
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: but so.
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: So you, you've just seen it hours before this, right? Okay.
• 44:17
  Speaker 9: What I'm coming down off the high.
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: What, what was, what was the part? Was there anything
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: that just, completely made you laugh out loud you know
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: just like.
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: Funny or when we were all about to cry do
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: we all want to reveal when we all teared up
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: what was your favorite part favorite part okay um trying
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: to think what part i was thumbs up was pretty
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: damn funny um I think just the little interaction, mostly Finn. Finn, again,
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: the comedy comes through really good with him. So him, again,
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: you see what, and this is, I think, good for
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: Star Wars because it shows the universe and it shows
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: the characters we're dealing with because we get to see
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: not only is Rey a great person, but Finn is too.
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: And Finn, especially coming up as a stormtrooper, how much
• 45:04
  Speaker 9: he just wants to help people and he just wants
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: to be a good person. So he sees this random girl, like,
• 45:09
  Speaker 9: fighting with people. And he's like, hey, who the hell
• 45:11
  Speaker 9: are you? Get off of her. And before he can
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: get there, she kicks their ass. And I'm like, but
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: that look on his face, I was like, oh, well, shit.
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: I was like, I guess she doesn't need me. And
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: I'm like, that was funny. And again, that same look,
• 45:26
  Speaker 9: I'm like, oh, shit.
• 45:28
  Speaker 13: She's going to kick.
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: My ass now. When they released one of the trailers,
• 45:33
  Speaker 10: which the trailers did a fantastic job of hiding the
• 45:36
  Speaker 10: fact that the lightsaber battle at the end was not
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: between Finn and Rilo.
• 45:43
  Speaker 9: I wasn't sure if Rilo was ever going to pick
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: up the lightsaber.
• 45:47
  Speaker 10: He gets knocked out of the fight like 30 seconds in,
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: and then it's all about her, which, genius for hiding
• 45:54
  Speaker 10: that fight from us.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: You still get a lightsaber fight in the trailer, but
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: it's not.
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: It's not what you think.
• 46:00
  Speaker 10: But there's a part in the trailer, and one of
• 46:03
  Speaker 10: the sides they get to freeze-framed where... You know, he
• 46:07
  Speaker 10: lights it up, and then Kylo Ren comes at him,
• 46:09
  Speaker 10: and you see he goes from a badass look to, oh,
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: my God, there's this guy who's probably way more trained
• 46:16
  Speaker 10: than me with this coming at me, going to kill me.
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: But that is hands down fantastic acting without even acting, really,
• 46:24
  Speaker 10: just facial expression.
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: You know, it's funny. You reminded me of this. Because
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: of that trailer, I assumed that John Boyega was going
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: to be the new Luke Skywalker. It was a total
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: bait and switch.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: That's one I was going to ask you because I
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: felt it. And again, sometimes I'm seeing the strings a
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: little bit. How much do you feel like classic Star
• 46:47
  Speaker 9: Wars characters were taken out of commission so that the
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: new replacements could be put in their place? R2 is
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: mysteriously shut down for the whole damn movie. So this
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: new BB, and by the way, is BB not the
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: cute new puppy? Oh my God.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: He's so cute.
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: BB is the little puppy. And he even runs up
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: to R2. He's like, hey, come on, let's play. Oh,
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: you're sleepy. He's just like, it's exactly like the old dog,
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: new dog scenario. Like, look, he's the cute new puppy.
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: Well, I think it's because they were trying to space
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: out the introductions. Kind of. But the way I understood it,
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: R2 was essentially having the robot equivalent of depression, right?
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: He's like in a coma.
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: Or he was really working on a problem. He's like,
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: I've got to figure out this map thing. I'm going
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: to take a nap for a while, guys. I'm going
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: to power down.
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: Can you say what your favorite moments were that made
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: you feel like, I feel like I'm that kid watching
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: it on the VCR again?
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
• 47:46
  Speaker 11: I don't know. I don't know. I really did like
• 47:49
  Speaker 11: watching Finn on screen.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: Like he was just so easy to put my heart
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: into because he just, he brought out those like, oh, friends.
• 47:58
  Speaker 11: Emotion in me. Like when him, when he like runs
• 48:01
  Speaker 11: up to Poe and like they hug and he goes, oh, buddy.
• 48:05
  Speaker 11: I was like, buddy. He called him buddy.
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: Again, they're all such good, like Poe is such a good,
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: and it's like we don't see that in movies now.
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: People are such dicks. And I was like, everybody was
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: so likable on the good side that I was like,
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: I think that was just such a good feeling that like, God,
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: I don't want to destroy the world for at least
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: two hours.
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: At least two hours.
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: I don't want to kill everyone I know.
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: That was another bait and switch. Because of the way
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: the movie began, I thought it was going to be
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: the Poe and Finn buddy cop story.
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: Which would be fun too. Start writing that now, guys.
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: And also, you're right. I kind of, because I heard
• 48:41
  Speaker 8: going in, you know, Poe was going to be this
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: hot shot X-Wing pilot. I expected him to be like,
• 48:46
  Speaker 8: Val Kilmer from Top Gun. I expected to not like him,
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: but you're right.
• 48:50
  Speaker 9: He's great. And on that note, is there anything cooler
• 48:54
  Speaker 9: than a black X-Wing? I didn't really think about it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: I'm like, X-Wings are pretty badass back in the day.
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: And then all of a sudden they roll out with
• 49:02
  Speaker 9: this fancy new black one. I was like, oh, shit.
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: I didn't know they came in black.
• 49:05
  Speaker 10: Well, because of course Poe is going to have a
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: custom paint job on his.
• 49:08
  Speaker 9: I was like, damn, that is badass.
• 49:11
  Speaker 10: Yeah, take that standard white, make mine black.
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: What are they called?
• 49:14
  Speaker 11: Black Masters?
• 49:16
  Speaker 9: Well, they were, I mean, again, they kind of went
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: with their codes for like, Black Squadron or whatever, which
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: they used to do in the old ones, but it
• 49:24
  Speaker 9: was usually just, like, paint on the ship, but all
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: the ships were the same color, more or less. But,
• 49:29
  Speaker 9: I mean, Red had the red paint on it, yellow,
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: same thing, but, like, this one they just painted specifically
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: his because his was badass.
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: So your favorite scene?
• 49:38
  Speaker 12: I think mine was, besides everything that's been mentioned already,
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: the very end, like after this whole quest to complete
• 49:48
  Speaker 12: the map and then you finally get to see Luke.
• 49:51
  Speaker 12: And it was like, it was powerful to me because
• 49:54
  Speaker 12: what I had remembered from the films in the, you know,
• 50:02
  Speaker 12: 80s or early 80s back then, Mark Hamill kind of
• 50:07
  Speaker 12: played Luke in this kind of wide eyed. He looked
• 50:10
  Speaker 12: like very doughish. He was like young, kind of smooth.
• 50:13
  Speaker 12: And then at the end of, um, force awakens, he just,
• 50:17
  Speaker 12: it was like a weight in his whole face.
• 50:20
  Speaker 10: Luke's seen some shit since the early days.
• 50:23
  Speaker 12: I mean, and just that, just that, that gap, like it's,
• 50:27
  Speaker 12: it completely filled in any kind of like, yes, time
• 50:30
  Speaker 12: has passed.
• 50:30
  Speaker 13: All this shit has happened.
• 50:32
  Speaker 12: And, um, yeah, like, like, You can see burst capillaries
• 50:37
  Speaker 12: in his eyes, and.
• 50:37
  Speaker 8: It's just like, Jesus.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: HD.
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: That was great.
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 50:41
  Speaker 8: It's a little too good. I have to say, though,
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: I thought that has got to be the easiest check
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: that Mark Hamill has ever cast. All right, Mark, just
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: stand by the cliff. Don't fall off. And turn and see. Okay,
• 50:53
  Speaker 8: you're done.
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Have you seen Slipstream?
• 50:55
  Speaker 8: Come on.
• 50:55
  Speaker 10: Well, but, you know.
• 50:58
  Speaker 10: All joking aside, he said nothing but conveyed everything in
• 51:04
  Speaker 10: just that look of, here we go again. I couldn't
• 51:09
  Speaker 10: tell if.
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: He was happy or angry.
• 51:13
  Speaker 9: Which is great.
• 51:14
  Speaker 10: Because you don't know why. You know something went down,
• 51:19
  Speaker 10: and he said, I'm out, and I'm going on my
• 51:23
  Speaker 10: spirit quest or whatever.
• 51:24
  Speaker 9: Just like Yoda.
• 51:26
  Speaker 10: Well, you know, and so he's done. Or you assume,
• 51:29
  Speaker 10: you don't really know his motivation yet, which is part
• 51:32
  Speaker 10: of the great thing is they left us with questions
• 51:36
  Speaker 10: just enough to want more.
• 51:38
  Speaker 9: Quite a few.
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 51:39
  Speaker 9: But I'm okay with that. Yeah, exactly.
• 51:41
  Speaker 10: As opposed to some of other Abrams works where you're
• 51:45
  Speaker 10: left with questions and it's just like, you're not going
• 51:48
  Speaker 10: to get the answer to them. Whereas this one was,
• 51:51
  Speaker 10: you can project onto him, was he happy?
• 51:55
  Speaker 9: Was he sad?
• 51:57
  Speaker 10: But that's the cool thing about that scene of no
• 52:00
  Speaker 10: words and you get to sort of inject upon him
• 52:03
  Speaker 10: what you think. You know, especially like her handing it
• 52:07
  Speaker 10: to him. You thought there was going to be a
• 52:09
  Speaker 10: word like, teach me or here you go.
• 52:12
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• 52:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but nothing.
• 52:16
  Speaker 10: But so much was wrapped up in just that little
• 52:19
  Speaker 10: scene with no words.
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  Speaker 4: Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 1: It's part of your problem, you know.
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  Speaker 2: You haven't seen enough movies.
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  Speaker 14: The End.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: Your favorite moment?
• 56:49
  Speaker 10: So the parts that I thought, when you see Rey
• 56:53
  Speaker 10: and she goes to all you know is her little cave,
• 56:57
  Speaker 10: and you see what looks like a stuffed doll with
• 57:02
  Speaker 10: the colors of a rebel pilot from the original one.
• 57:05
  Speaker 10: So you know, again, 30 years have gone past and
• 57:09
  Speaker 10: all of these events have sort of fallen into sort
• 57:11
  Speaker 10: of myths. And so the fact that she's grown up
• 57:15
  Speaker 10: on this planet with the remnants of a giant war,
• 57:18
  Speaker 10: and these are the things that she sort of extracted
• 57:20
  Speaker 10: from it. And then you pose back and you see
• 57:22
  Speaker 10: she's in an attic. Like, how badass of a cave
• 57:25
  Speaker 10: is that?
• 57:25
  Speaker 9: The best house to have? I still want that now.
• 57:28
  Speaker 10: And then she's sitting there eating, and she puts on
• 57:30
  Speaker 10: the helmet. It's like, that's all you need to know is...
• 57:34
  Speaker 10: That was a huge amount of character development with nothing
• 57:39
  Speaker 10: said and just a stuffed doll in the background, and
• 57:42
  Speaker 10: then she puts a helmet on. And then even her
• 57:45
  Speaker 10: mask was Stormtrooper, with the eyes from a Stormtrooper mask.
• 57:49
  Speaker 10: So all these things that she has in her life
• 57:52
  Speaker 10: because she just got dumped on this planet are all
• 57:56
  Speaker 10: these bits and pieces.
• 57:57
  Speaker 9: Of the past.
• 57:59
  Speaker 10: Especially the doll. That was probably her doll as a child.
• 58:02
  Speaker 10: Or she made it. But that just shows you that
• 58:05
  Speaker 10: she is looking for her place in this universe. And
• 58:08
  Speaker 10: all she's got is the history of what's gone on.
• 58:12
  Speaker 10: And again, no words. She didn't have to have a
• 58:14
  Speaker 10: dialogue with anyone. It's just all there. Especially the helmet bit.
• 58:17
  Speaker 9: I was like, damn.
• 58:19
  Speaker 8: Let me ask you something. Because you're bringing up something
• 58:22
  Speaker 8: that I've been reading. There's some inevitable backlash online saying
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: that this character of Rey was too perfect. She knew
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: how to do everything perfectly.
• 58:34
  Speaker 18: She could pick stuff up pretty quick. She could fix
• 58:36
  Speaker 18: a ship perfectly. She could pilot perfectly. She could use
• 58:40
  Speaker 18: a lightsaber without any training. She knew how to do
• 58:43
  Speaker 18: the Jedi mind trick without ever hearing about it before.
• 58:47
  Speaker 18: I'm not agreeing with that, but that's what a lot
• 58:50
  Speaker 18: of knuckle-draggers online are saying. The way I was explaining
• 58:53
  Speaker 18: it in my head was that scene where her and
• 58:57
  Speaker 18: Finn are talking to Han And they're like, oh, you
• 59:00
  Speaker 18: were there. And they convey that all this stuff that
• 59:02
  Speaker 18: has happened before has been like.
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: This legend has has become stories and passed down so
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: I was thinking in my fan retcon head you know
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: maybe she's heard stories about Jedi's and she's heard stories
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: that they can do this Jedi mind trick and so
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: she was there and she just tried it out I
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: mean what.
• 59:26
  Speaker 10: Would I assume the same thing. And again, you know, um,
• 59:32
  Speaker 10: How someone who grew up as a kid on the
• 59:34
  Speaker 10: planet knows how to pilot a spaceship, I don't know.
• 59:37
  Speaker 10: But it's sort of like, you know, I can get,
• 59:38
  Speaker 10: I only drive a certain car, but I can get
• 59:41
  Speaker 10: in a car and sort of still drive it. I
• 59:43
  Speaker 10: can get in a truck and drive it.
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: That's what I was going to say. I will at
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: least argue, she doesn't pilot the ship perfectly. And that's
• 59:49
  Speaker 9: kind of, again, one of my favorite scenes. Her banging
• 59:51
  Speaker 9: the hell out of the Falcon is pretty fun, actually,
• 59:54
  Speaker 9: because she's just like, I don't know, this thing's a
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: piece of junk. It's been sitting here most of my life,
• 59:58
  Speaker 9: and I've never flown it before. So it's like, she's
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 9: probably a decent pilot. but not in that ship.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 10: Well, and again, there are things I will give movies
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 10: for playing fast and loose with the rules. And everyone
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 10: sort of draws their lines of, you went too far
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 10: with this and you didn't with that. And as long
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 10: as the ride is fun, I'm able to give most
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 10: movies a pretty wide berth on suspending my disbelief in things.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I'm thinking about, like, her whole life on Jakku.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: Just, like, she goes and she, like, loots little parts
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: and trades them in for rations.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 11: And, like, what else is she doing with her time? Nothing.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: Building things.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: Better learn everything about the interior of a ship. Like,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: that's what she can do with her time. It's not
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: like she's going to college or she has, like. a
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: full-time job or something. She's got her staff. So she
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: can learn some fighting moves with that thing.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 9: See, that's my thing with the exception of the lightsaber battle,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 9: which she does pick up really quickly. But again, we're
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 9: going to chalk that up to future things that we
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 9: don't know about yet. I'm pretty sure it's a family thing,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 9: but that aside, I'm like everything else I attribute to
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 9: her just being a scrapper. Like, I mean, she's just,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 9: She's grown up by herself, essentially. She's fought every day
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: of her life just to survive, just to go get food.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: So like, we know she knows how to kick people's
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 9: ass because she learned that the hard way. She learned
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 9: how to pilot a ship because she needed to pilot
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 9: a ship. She's like just one of those kids that's
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 9: just like, I don't, much like Han Solo said, I
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: don't question this shit. I just have to do it,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 9: so I go do it. So even her in the blaster,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 9: she's like, I think I can handle myself. What do
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 9: I do? Okay, I'll figure it out. Everything is just
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 9: sort of on the fly, and she just happens to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 9: be pretty good at it because she's pretty damn good.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 8: I will say one thing, though. No way in hell
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: she grew up on that desert planet and had perfect complexion.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 8: I had to draw the line there.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 11: I draw the line there, too.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: The Force awakens to perfect skin.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 9: I don't know. She'd be a raisin. That's why she
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 9: was dressed like a Tusken Raider.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: That old lady was 30 years old.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 10: It's in the future past. Maybe they have great sunscreen.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 10: That is cheap and widely available across the galaxy.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 11: Did she have the shaved armpits? I don't even remember.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 9: Because she's a classy gal. Come on now. I mean,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 9: that must go not my favorite childhood part, but my
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 9: favorite a little bit older than childhood part. Daisy is
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 9: so damn cute.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: It's ridiculous.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 9: So midway in, I was just like, for God's sakes.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 10: So half the movie, I'm like, man, she looks like,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 10: oh God, what was her name? Played Amidala's devil. Keira Knightley. God,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 10: she looks so much like Keira Knightley.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 9: I think, I don't know, she might be a little cuter.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 10: No, I'm just saying, I looked at her and go, man,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 10: she so looks like a young Keira Knightley.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 9: But they do like that look, I suppose, because that's
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 9: three in a row. Because Keira Knightley looks exactly like
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 9: Natalie Portman, obviously. That's why they cast her. So they
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: kind of have a thing they're going for in this
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 9: Star Wars universe.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 10: So your favorite scene?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 8: I was grinning throughout the whole movie. But the one
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: moment that completely surprised me, made me feel like a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: kid again, I'm a little bit embarrassed about. it was
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 8: the part, because I didn't see it coming, and I
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 8: should have, and I completely did not see it coming.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 9: I had a few of those moments.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: It's the part where Rey and Finn are in the desert,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: the TIE fighters are shooting at them, they're running, and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: they're arguing, let's take that ship. No, no, that's a
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 8: piece of junk, it hasn't flown in years. What about
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 8: that ship? No, and they kept saying, piece of junk,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 8: piece of junk, I should have known. For whatever reason,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: went over my head. The minute they showed the Falcon,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 8: it was, I just had this, it was like, lightning
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: hit me and I felt stupid for not getting the reference.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 8: I was laughing because it's the Falcon.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 9: We're home in your head.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: No, not yet.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 9: But it was just, I was kind of thinking, like,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 9: I remember as soon as the ship blew up, I went, Oh,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 9: the garbage that's going to be the Falcon.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 8: But I think I was so in, I was so
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 8: like running with them that the reference went over my
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 8: head and I couldn't believe it. I'm such a nerdy
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: fan boy. And, I was thinking about it later. I
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 8: was like, why didn't I get that? And then I realized,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: I think it's because I never saw the Falcon as junk.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: I always saw it as cool and beautiful.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 9: It's funny that everyone else in that universe constantly thinks
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 9: it's just a piece of crap. And he's just like, no,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 9: this is my cool ride, man.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 8: Well, they all grew up with Nubian ships being all
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: sleek and silver. But that was the moment where, because again,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 8: they kept referencing it. I didn't get it. So when
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: they showed it, It came out of nowhere for me.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: And I was like, ah!
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 9: I will say that.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: Popcorn was spilled. Coke was spewed.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 9: Be glad you weren't sitting next to Ben. That scene,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 9: that part of it aside, I will say that was
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 9: a cool moment. Because have we ever really seen TIE
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 9: Fighters on land? Like, it's always just like they're nothing
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: but deep space, you know, well. No, they're not ready
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 9: for deep space. But we always see them just in
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 9: dogfights out in space. So watching one dive bomb people
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 9: and just annihilating stuff physically around you, that was kind
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 9: of a scary scene. It was the World War II
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 9: fighters coming at people on the deck kind of thing.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 8: I will say the TV show Rebels kind of ruined
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 8: that for me because they do a lot of that
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: in there.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 9: They do. I mean, they worked in a lot of things.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 9: And that's something I was going to come back to
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 9: because you said it's a good Star Wars movie. Star
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 9: Wars Rebels... every time I see it. I haven't watched
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 9: it religiously, but I'm like, every time I'm seeing it,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 9: I'm like, it's telling a good Star Wars story every time.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 9: And they've worked in, because it kind of takes place
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 9: around the same time as the original three, so it's like,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 9: it works in all the references we already know.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 8: Technically, I've been told it takes place like 15 years
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 8: before episode four.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 9: But I'm saying it's within that time frame. So it's like,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: we've still got the same ships. We've still got the same,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 9: you know, sort of people in power, more or less.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 9: But I think that was equally as impressive that they
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 9: found a way to make that work week in and
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 9: week out and be a good. So that's what I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 9: said from the beginning. It's like years ago when we said,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 9: is this a good idea? Do you remember this, Ben?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 9: We had this conversation of they're going to start making
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 9: them again and everybody else wanted to be whiny fanboys.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 9: And I was just like, no. The good thing is
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 9: they're taking Lucas out of the loop. He does not
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 9: need to be there. I respect him. I've actually got
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 9: a lot of newfound respect for him lately now that
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 9: he's gone. But on top of that, I'm like, there's
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 9: such a rich universe and there's so many other stories
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 9: to tell, even in the same time period. You know,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 9: it's like, there's still so many other cool characters that
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 9: we could be going into. Cause I said, even at
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 9: the time, I don't, we don't even have to go
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 9: back to the original crew. If they want to do seven,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 9: eight and nine, that has nothing to do with Luke
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 9: and Han. And I'm like, that would be fine with me.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 9: They found a pretty good way to work them in.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 9: I'm okay with how they went with it. But I'm like,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 9: there's just so many other stories out there. And it
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 9: sucks that people were being so rigid with it. They're like, oh,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 9: I only want these three. This is canon. Don't touch
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 9: anything else. I'm like, but if you can have other
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 9: good stories. Yeah, we all don't want sucky stories. Essentially,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 9: I don't want that every time I go to the movies.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 9: But I'm like, if you can tell good stories in
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 9: that universe, that's all I want. But aren't you going
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 9: to be getting that?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 8: Because they're going to have these spinoff movies now.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 9: They are now.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying. They're going to be completely separate.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 8: So you're getting both, you know?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 9: This has shown us that we can have that universe
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: and tell these stories and have them not suck. Because
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 9: all we saw were the first one, two, and three.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: And I'm like, if they're all going to be like that, no, stop.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: I don't want that.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: Because you're just bastardizing it. But I'm like, it can
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 9: be better than that. And it's like looking at it,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 9: I'm like, I know the universe is way too rich
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 9: to just... I mean, it was just from... From episode four,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 9: from the very first one, it was such a lived-in,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 9: cool universe that I'm like, there's way more stuff that
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 9: we could do with this. And it would suck if
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 9: all we got was three movies and we were out.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 9: So it's like, I'm fine with them doing really good
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 9: stuff as long as it's really good stuff.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 10: Well, and that's why, honestly, I know you don't care
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 10: about the Marvel stuff, but what Marvel and Disney have
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 10: done has been pretty genius of every two years you
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 10: get the tentpole movie and then On the other years,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 10: you get two or three added movies that may tie in,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 10: may not, but it doesn't matter. It's all still good stuff,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 10: which they're doing with the Star Wars one. So every
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 10: two to three years, you're going to get seven, eight, nine,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 10: and then you're going to get in between. You're going
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 10: to get the Rogue Squadron. You're going to get the
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 10: Han Solo. You're going to get the Lano Calrissian. You're
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 10: going to get all the extra little stuff that may apply,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 10: may not apply, but the universe, which was probably why
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 10: the first one was so awesome, was because it was
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 10: You know, there's ways you tell your stories where you
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 10: constrain it. And then there's ways where, you know, everyone
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 10: always talks about the dialogue. And the first one was
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 10: so bad. I'm like, no, it wasn't. It was great
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 10: because it allows you to assume that everyone knows what
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 10: they're talking about and that there's all this other. stuff
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 10: out there that you can extrapolate from.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 9: Because bad dialogue is when you explain everything. Because you're going,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 9: when do I walk in and tell everyone in my
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 9: job Exactly what I'm about to do because the people
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: at home don't understand. But I'm like, the people you're
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 9: working with would be like, what are you, an idiot? Yeah,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 9: we know. You're here every day, moron. So I mean, like,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 9: it was just lived in and everything was foreign. So
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 9: it's like you'd be talking about an alien or a
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 9: spaceship or something and they didn't explain it to you.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 9: You were just thrown into this weird world. And I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 9: think that's why people's minds were blown in 77. They
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: were just like, what the hell is this?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 8: Do you guys watch the Venture Brothers? Oh, God, yes.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 8: Do you, Brian?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 8: Do you guys?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 9: I used to watch it regularly. I kind of lost
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 9: the last couple of seasons.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: If you ever watch it, it's like the first year.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: It basically just jumps in right in the middle of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 8: this 50-year-long story, basically. And I heard an interview with
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 8: the guys who do it. Jackson Public and Doc Hammer.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 8: And they said the reason they did that was because
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 8: one of their favorite moments from the original Star Wars...
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 8: was how Han would talk about the Kessel Run, and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 8: you would just mention that, and then there would be
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: no more about it. Or they would just mention the
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: Clone Wars, there would be no more about it. It's
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: like they were saying that there was this larger story,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 8: but they weren't telling you about it. So you had
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: to either fill it in or wonder, what is that?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: And that was one of the most interesting things about
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 8: that movie from them. So when they did Venture Brothers,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: they basically just, just started and they would mention things
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 8: that if you had done a proper show, you would
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 8: know what they're talking about. So just great, great.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 9: Do we want to veer off? Because I have another
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 9: grand area to get into that ties kind of directly
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 9: to that and is more of a difference between, again,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 9: this goes back to more of the memories of 4, 5,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 9: and 6 versus the prequels. And how it kind of
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 9: ruined all that because, well, no, because it expanded on
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 9: all that. Because in Star Wars, A New Hope, at
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 9: the time, Star Wars, you're like, the Force is just
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: a freaking mystery. Like, it is just nothing but, like,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 9: this weird old dude with a beard, knows how to
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 9: do it. Nobody else really understands it. He's got some
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 9: very sketchy, like, sort of mystical, like the universe and
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 9: binds everything together kind of crazy talk. But for the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 9: most part, it is just complete mystery as to what
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 9: really makes it work. So then prequel science, here's some
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 9: sort of biological reason for it. I'm like, okay, that's bullshit.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 9: I mean, not again, you can believe it if you want.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 8: I don't care.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 9: I'm just saying it extrapolating then takes the magic out
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 9: of what works so well in the four, five and six.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 8: You know what it did? It, It made all those
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 8: moments in the original when a character would say to
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 8: someone else, may the force be with you. It made
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 8: that meaningless.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: Because there's no way the force can be with you
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 8: unless you're infected by these space bugs. that give you
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 8: the Force. So it turned this encouraging thing into almost
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: like an insult. May the Force be with you. Oh, no,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: that's right. You're not infected. Never mind.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 17: You're a loser.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 10: Your midichlorian count's not high enough for the Force to.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 9: Be with you. Thankfully, I think it's funny that they've just.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: But.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 8: Midichlorians give you really good skin.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 9: They've almost taken that out of the loop. I think
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 9: it's funny that, like, there has since then been no
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 9: mention of midichlorians. Like, he took so much heat on
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 9: the internet, he was just like, all right, let's just
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 9: stop talking about that right now.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: Well, and.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 10: And so you go back to the mystery of it
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 10: in the first three was what was interesting. But then
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 10: when you go back to, so you know these Jedis
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 10: as these powerful knights.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 9: That was the next thing I was going to get to.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 10: And then they go back to one, two, and three.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 10: And you know something? I didn't like any of them.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 10: They were all jerks. They were all idiots.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 9: That's exactly what I was going to say.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 10: It was such a constraining order.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: Ruined Yoda.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 10: Well, besides the special effects of Yoda and the first
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 10: one being the most God atrocious defense.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 10: But basically, they made these guys who went from this wise, old,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 10: cool man to being a bunch of bumbling idiots that
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 10: couldn't see the universe falling apart around them.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 9: Not only that, do you remember, again, we mentioned the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 9: Marvel series. Do you remember the Marvel comics when there
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 9: was that other weird old Jedi that was just freaking insane?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 9: He was almost like Don Quixote. He thought he was
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 9: the last Jedi Knight and he had to fight for honor.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 9: And he talked like a crazy person. And I'm like,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 9: I remember reading that and going... That's the kind of
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 9: crazy Jedis I'm on board with. Old Ben and this
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 9: guy and teaching this weird Luke kid to do stuff.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 8: You know what it's almost like? It's sort of like
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: the way people look back at the 60s with this nostalgia.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, the 60s was so great.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 8: Peace and love. It was so wonderful. But if you
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 8: talk to anyone that actually lived through the 60s, they
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 8: were like, it was crap. And hippies were the worst
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 8: thing ever. Probably people that lived during the Jedi Knights.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 8: They were crap. You couldn't tell your problems to them
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 8: in it? I don't know.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 9: But again, it's like watching those first three and being like,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 9: Jedi Knights are like, you know, they're all gone now.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 9: All we have is this legend of them, once again,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 9: working it in as like this. We built up the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 9: legend that they talk about in episode seven. We were
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 9: just like, we don't know. They're all gone. We only
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 9: hear weird little stories of what happened. so we assume
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 9: that they're these super cool guys, and then you go
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 9: back to the prequels, and to me, what really rubbed
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 9: me wrong is they're just religious zealots. like everything about
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 9: them isn't about the force as this cool mystical, like
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 9: natural thing. It comes off like a weird religion and
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: they're just like weird monks and they won't let the
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 9: kid get married and they won't, they have all these
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 9: damn rules. Suddenly they all become Spider-Man and with their
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 9: responsibility and power comes responsibility and you can't do that.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 9: I don't know. All of a sudden the rules are
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: nothing but an annoyance and like everything that was cool
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: about them, it's totally sucked out and they have, bad
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 9: hair and they all dressed like ben's bathrobe and i
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: don't know it all gets really annoying that it becomes
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 9: such a thing like they all have to follow this
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 9: stupid little here you have to have a gluten-free yeah
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: i don't know everything about them became so uncool when
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 9: we ironed it all out and put it all in
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 9: in the books it's like here's how you become a
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: jedi go to jedi school i'm like this is not
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 9: cool at all, this is school.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 10: And I'm pretty sure the Jedi would probably be okay
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 10: with abducting kids.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 10: You sort of have a feeling that some of those
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 10: younglings weren't there by choice. They were like, you know,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 10: you're strong in the Force. Well, come with me, because
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 10: we can't let you be outside of our organization and
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 10: be strong in the Force, because... I.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 9: Feel like becoming, again, if you go back to 1, 2, 3,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 9: getting recruited as a youngling was something like being a
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 9: relatively good ice skater in Russia. You know what? You're
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 9: just going to have to come with us. Say goodbye
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 9: to your parents. This guy's your teacher now. You're going
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 9: to do nothing but train for the rest of your life.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 8: In the original Star Wars, they really made it out
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 8: to where the Force would work for anybody. You just
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 8: had to believe enough. That was the only criteria, was
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 8: you had to believe enough and you could tap into
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: the Force. And then when the prequels come along, in the,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 8: the metachlorians. And then it's like, no, it's suddenly become
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 8: this caste system. And suddenly this group of people is
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 8: better than everyone else because they can get the force.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 8: So again, it's meaningless to say, may the force be, be,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 8: be with you.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 9: It's just, well, and then you get the weird little, like,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 9: because they're so tied in the government. So then you
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 9: get the, Again, the Jedi's become the America of the world.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 9: They're like, well, we're the peacekeepers of this universe, so
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 9: we're going to go around and get ourselves involved in
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 9: every battle all over the galaxy to make sure that
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: things go the way that we think they should in
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 9: the Jedi Council. I'm like, who the hell put you.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 8: Guys in too hard? Meanwhile, the Senate's like, give sanctions
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 8: more time. Can I ask you a question? Get back
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 8: to episode seven. You know the part, you know, Finn,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 8: in the beginning, Finn's wearing the Stormtrooper suit, and it's
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 8: his first mission, and, you know, he's ordered to shoot
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 8: villagers and he can't do it it's like he suddenly
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 8: awakens haha you know wait a minute what am I
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 8: doing are we to somehow think that he has a
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 8: little bit of force stuff in him because he kind
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: of woke up from his conditioning or Like, why was
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 8: it just then?
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah, why no other Stormtrooper? It was like his.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 11: Friend dying, and then he was like, oh, no, and
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 11: then he suddenly couldn't.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 9: Was it as simple as that?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 10: Well, they did make a point that I think that
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 10: was his first ever, like, mission.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 9: He'd never seen.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 8: Battle, period.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 10: So he trained and trained and trained. Oh, my friend
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 10: just got killed in front of me and wiped his
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 10: bloody hand across my mask. I'm not down for this.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, and then, hey, go shoot some innocent people now.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 11: I mean, it is like brainwashed from birth.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 11: So I feel like it does take like a certain
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 11: kind of like event.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 9: And it does give us more perspective.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 11: Or this inner strength.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 9: Than we ever had. Because this is like the horrors
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 9: of war. And like, you don't really get that in
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: the old movies. They're just like dumb stormtroopers.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: This is something else about episode seven that I was realizing.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 8: I actually found the stormtroopers scary. I never did in
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 8: the past.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 9: They were bumbling idiots.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 8: Well, I think it's because we actually see them massacring
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 8: an entire village. It says, kill them all, and they
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 8: immediately do it. All we ever heard about in the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 8: original movie was that stormtroopers are bad, but we never
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 8: actually see that. The most we ever see stormtroopers doing
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: is going door to door looking for the droids. Oh,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: the door is locked? Move on. That is as scary
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: and as bad as we ever see them being.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 14: Really?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 8: Don't actually see them light up Uncle Owen and Aunt
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 8: Beru's hut. We're just told that.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 9: They do that. It's arguable that that's even what happened.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: It was Boba Fett. But here in Episode 7, we're
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 8: actually seeing them do really vicious things. And I was
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 8: really uncomfortable in a lot of scenes.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 9: Again, they are stormtroopers. They probably should have a little
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 9: bit of that.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 8: Well, I think it's because in the Clone Wars, you
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 8: had clones that were conditioned to be warriors and all that.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: In Episode VII, they say that the First Order is
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 8: basically stealing kids and conditioning them to be soldiers. During
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 8: the Empire years, I think those were just guys that
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 8: were basically drafted, and they were there on the college bill,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 8: on the college GI fund. So they weren't the best,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 8: and they were just kind of doing their time before
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 8: they can go to dental school.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so I never really found the Stormtroopers that scary. Now,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 8: I got this weird, I don't know, like if I
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 8: see the 501st out there doing their charity work, I'm
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 8: going to feel a little weird about it.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 9: That's what I always thought was funny, again, to cross
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 9: over to the real world, that people wanted to dress
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 9: up because there's a million guys out there with Stormtrooper costumes.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 9: I'm like, why are you dressing up like the dorks
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 9: of the universe? I'm like, you want to dress like
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 9: Darth Vader? That's cool. You want to dress like Boba Fett?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 10: He's kind of a badass outfit-wise.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 9: But as far as like, the stormtroopers never do anything right.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 9: I'm like, why does everybody want to dress up like
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 9: a stormtrooper?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 10: Because they do look pretty badass.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 9: Kind of, but that's my other thing in watching Rebels.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 9: I'm like, even in that show, like every time we
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 9: see them, I'm like, maybe it was just 4, 5,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 9: and 6. But I'm like, that armor is terrible. It
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 9: doesn't protect you from anything. You can't see a damn thing.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 8: That show really illustrates the whole how these are just
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 8: guys that are there on the GI Bill. They don't care, good, evil, whatever.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 8: I'm just doing my thing.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 9: And especially when it gets to the clones, they were like,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 9: we just got stuck doing this and we didn't even
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 9: want to do it and now we've left it. But yeah,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 9: that's my takeaway. Why has the Empire not wised up
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 9: or the new version of the Empire and be like,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 9: let's lose this armor. It's not protecting us. They can't
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 9: see a damn thing. They're a little bit scary, but
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 9: is that worth all the other stuff that comes with it?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 10: Well, but they make a good point in the seventh
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 10: movie where she goes, why is your helmet off? Did
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 10: anyone give you permission to take off your helmet? Because
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 10: it is a dehumanizing, you are all the same. And
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 10: no one, you're not your face because that gives you
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 10: an identity. So it was a nice little throwaway line,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 10: especially the other line about, well, you had a defection.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 10: Maybe we should just go back to a clone army.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 10: You know, those little throwaway lines really show you that
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 10: it's dehumanizing to be a Stormtrooper.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 8: Speaking of hats.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 8: How did you feel about the fact Kylo Ren would
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 8: take off his hat and you'd see this emo kid
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 8: down there? Did it ruin it for you?
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 9: No, not at all.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 10: Part of what I think you have to accept when
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 10: you go into the new movie is that this is
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 10: a changeover. This is a switchover from the old guard
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 10: to the new guard. So you couldn't have two young
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 10: antagonists and then An old guy playing the corresponding bad
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 10: guy on their side. I think that you sort of
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 10: needed this. That didn't bother me at all.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 13: He looked like Gene Simmons' son.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 10: Well, and I think, again, he is idolizing the mythology
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 10: of These people that went before him. So he and
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 10: his Knights of Ren are all about masks and intimidating
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 10: masks because the badass that was your order wore a mask.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 10: So we are going to sort of pretend to be
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 10: him by having our own masks.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 9: That's what I thought. I was like, it would have
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 9: seemed silly for just this other random guy to show
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 9: up kind of wearing a mask like Darth Vader. Except
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 9: that he was specifically referencing and idolizing and wanting to
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 9: be just like Vader. So it made more sense.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 8: I have a question about that. He's idolizing Vader. He
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 8: wants to be just like Vader. He's sitting in his
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: chambers asking Vader's spirit for guidance. He's saying, I'm going
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 8: to continue your work. The whole point of Darth Vader
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 8: is he becomes good at the very end. Who didn't
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 8: tell him this? Did Han and Leia leave out that
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 8: important part of the story? And if they did, then
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 8: maybe they were crappy parents.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 9: Like most people in the Star Wars universe, they probably
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 9: just lie about backstory. Ben.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 10: Well, you know, and again, maybe.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 10: And again, it's an interesting play on the mythology of...
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 10: What lies have been told about what happened to Darth Vader,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 10: about what happened to the Empire in the 30 years
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 10: that happened? And maybe he's just an angry kid who's like, well,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 10: my parents told me this story, but everyone else is
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 10: telling me this story, especially this obviously corrupting power figure.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 11: Yeah, of course the parents are going to be like,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 11: but he got good at the end. And the kid's like, no,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 11: he didn't.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 9: See, that's why I like that he was sort of
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 9: an impetuous kid. Because we see, it's not like he's
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 9: a badass. We see him throw tantrums. He is a kid.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 9: He is a confused, angry.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 8: Which Darth Vader never did. He never threw a fit.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 10: Which I like that scene. Because the guy walks in
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 10: and says, we lost him. And immediately, I think he's
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 10: going to turn around and kill the guy. But instead,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 10: he just throws a tantrum and destroys a whole bunch
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 10: of equipment and is like, Okay, I'm back to being calm.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 9: But I think, and I'm starting to see, now whether
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 9: or not it's the overall universe or just what I'm seeing,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 9: this thread that runs through them now, but I'm like,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 9: I like that because it does make sense in this
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 9: little universe because I feel like that angry... pissy teenager
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 9: that everybody was that's angry at not just their parents
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 9: but the whole damn world i feel like the dark side.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 8: Feeds off of that maybe maybe that's why he has
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 8: to wear that mask it's like this uh shame hat
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 8: that the that the emperor snoke is like you keep
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 8: breaking things we can't have nice things you wear the
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 8: mask of shame the dunce hat yeah exactly By the way,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 8: I did think it was weird that the new Emperor
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 8: guy looks like Voldemort and the new Darth Vader guy
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 8: looks like Snape. I thought that was kind of weird.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 11: Oh, my God. Mind blown.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 9: But, again, I think that really does kind of tie
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 9: in is that he is just an angry teenager. And
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 9: I feel like that's going to be when the dark
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 9: side shows up, right? If you're going to be seduced
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 9: by the dark side... It's at the time when you're
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 9: most vulnerable and most angry at the world because all
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 9: it does is feed off of your hate and anger.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 8: We totally saw that in the prequel.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 9: That's what I was going to say. People give Hayden
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 9: Christensen shit. I'm like, people don't like him, but I'm like,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 9: you know what? I feel like everybody hates Attack of
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 9: the Clones. I feel like he does a pretty good
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 9: job at being a pissy teenager. And what's going to
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 9: happen to a pissy teenager? He's going to get seduced
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 9: by the dark side. He gets totally used by the emperor.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 9: And it all makes sense that he plays it the
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 9: way he does. I don't hate him as much as
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 9: everybody else.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 10: You know, I agree with that, except most of the
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 10: time as a teenager, I never got pissy enough to
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 10: where I was okay with going into a room with
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 10: small children and killing them all with a sword.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 9: That was towards the end.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 10: I never got that far.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 9: But, see, you didn't get sucked into the dark side.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: You had good parents.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah, somebody pulled you back out of it. If you'd
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 9: gone down that road and nobody took you back.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 8: Your dad wasn't a scoundrel.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 10: Well, and again, maybe if the Jedi would allow their
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 10: parents to have some involvement with their kids.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 9: There's another one.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 10: Maybe that wouldn't have happened.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 9: Maybe if the Jedi Council weren't freaking blind. I've heard
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 9: you go off on this.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 8: Maybe if the Jedi Council would let him go and
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 8: rescue his mother from slavery. Yeah, Jedis are great.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 9: Ben, I think I've heard you go on this rant
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 9: of the fact that Yoda totally just turns a blind eye.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 9: He's like, hey, guys, I'm having some problems with this,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 9: and I'm kind of angry.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 7: And he's like, no.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 8: Anakin goes to Yoda. He's trying to talk to him
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 8: about he's having these weird feelings. You know, this is
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 8: a problem. I need to talk about this, getting these
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 8: dark feelings. And Yoda is just like, la, la, la,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 8: just ignore it. Don't worry about it. La, la, la,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 8: bare your feelings. You ought to have had it coming.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 10: Well, and then did they not notice that one of
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 10: their young Jedis was banging the ambassador and sleeping over
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 10: at her house.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 9: And all that stuff the entire time? For guys that
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 9: are supposed to be able to pick up on things,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 9: they're really kind of not paying attention.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 8: Guys, I feel a disturbance in the force.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: Whoa!
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 10: I mean, kids can't pass notes in high school without
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 10: getting caught. You don't think anyone noticed? Well, these are
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 10: space notes.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 9: See, again, I think that I'm finding that in revisiting,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 9: I've kind of gone back over them. There's another show
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 9: out there that does it minute by minute. I won't
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 9: totally plug them, but it's an awesome show. And I've
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 9: gone through these last couple of years and revisited. visited
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 9: Star Wars and Empire and Jedi and watching those I'm
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 9: like you also see that is Vader and that's the
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 9: Vader that we get eventually now we see him as
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 9: the super cool guy because we saw him as little
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 9: kids and we just saw him as sort of being
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 9: cold and badass and especially in Empire Empire he's pretty
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 9: badass but you see by the time he gets to
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 9: Jedi he's completely powerless and Like, the Emperor's already working
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 9: to take him out of the loop and screw him
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 9: over and bring Luke in. He has no real power
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 9: with the rest of the the empire like he's already
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 9: got like people bickering with him like he's very sad
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 9: by the end of Jedi because all he is is
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 9: freaking scared teenager And he didn't progress for those 20
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 9: years in between then. He's still the same whiny kid
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 9: that like all he did was throw a tantrum enough
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 9: to kill a bunch of kids and go off on
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 9: his master and then kind of get his ass kicked.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 9: So again, he's sad all the way through. We just
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 9: kind of get this weird window of like, Darth is
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 9: cool and Darth is a badass. But I'm like, if
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 9: you look at it from the other side, I'm like,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 9: he's in that suit because he was such a whiny
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 9: bitch and like he couldn't, handle the dark side and
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 9: he goes into this that's the other thing i've heard
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 9: lately is how much the being seduced by the dark
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 9: side is almost like a weird addiction and you see
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 9: especially like the end of jedi when he's like fighting
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 9: it he's like i don't you don't he's telling luke
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 9: You don't know the power. If you take it as
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 9: a weird addiction analogy, you don't know the power of
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 9: the dark side. I don't want to kill you, but
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 9: it's probably going to make me do that.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 8: You know, whenever he said that, I always thought he
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 8: meant the power of the dark side, the power that
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 8: you can use to hurt people. You get the power.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 9: That's not it.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 8: Until now, I never really got that it was he
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 8: meant the power over him. Over him. Like the smoking addiction,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 8: like the alcohol addiction. He's the same whiny little kid. Interesting.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's like by the end, I had a whole
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 9: new appreciation for all of this.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 8: I can't believe I'm still thinking up new things about
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 8: these movies.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 8: Like, okay, this is embarrassing. The other day in the shower,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 8: I don't know why I was thinking about this. I
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 8: was thinking about the original movie when they go into
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 8: the canteen and you got the guy behind the bar
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 8: doing the droid racism. Like, we don't serve their kind.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 8: Droids can't come in here. And Luke turns around and
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 8: is like, get out of here. That always struck me as, oh,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 8: that's sad. They don't like the droids. Why don't they
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 8: like the droids? And for some reason it occurred to
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 8: me they're walking down steps to get into the bar.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 8: The production guys were probably like, it's going to be
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 8: too much trouble getting R2 down the steps. Let's just
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 8: make up a rule that they're not allowed. It was
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 8: probably a time saver.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 14: It was.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 9: See, and that's the other side of this that I've
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 9: gotten revisiting those three, is how much respect I have
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 9: for Luke now.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 8: Everybody likes to.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 9: Make fun of whiny Luke, and you're picking my power converters.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 9: But I'm like, again, you watch the journey and the
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 9: arc of his character, where... darth is a whiny bitch
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 9: and gives in to the dark side luke throws down
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 9: his fucking lightsaber and is like no i'm not gonna
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 9: do that he is so much stronger and completely like
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 9: it's not even questionable that he might turn to the
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 9: dark side it's thrown in there a little at the
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 9: beginning of jedi that maybe that's where he was going
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 9: but like from day one he's just like no i'm
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 9: not gonna go down that road so it's Again, I
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 9: have so much more respect for Luke being a badass
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 9: character because he didn't cave the way that we saw
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 9: Anakin do. And now, once we look at Rin doing
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 9: the same thing, it's like everybody else that's a whiny
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 9: little teenager gets sucked right in because they have no willpower. Like,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 9: Luke's kind of a badass. Like, he's just like, yeah,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 9: I could go that way, but I don't want to
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 9: do it that way. Screw you guys. I have a
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 9: whole new respect for Luke.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: Like, I....
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 8: I love the fact he gets his ass kicked in Empire.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 8: If it was any other movie, if it was Shia
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 8: LaBeouf as Luke Skywalker, he would have dug down and
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 8: found his heart and found his real hero's motivation. He
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 8: would have dug deep. You got the touch! You know,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 8: he would have found that. And then he would have beat,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 8: and then there would have been this rock anthem. Yeah,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 8: he wins, and he bangs his, you know, all that crap.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 8: But Luke gets his ass kicked. And You know, when
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 8: I was first seeing these things on the internet, complaining
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 8: that Rey is like a Mary Sue, she knows how
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 8: to do everything perfect, you know, blah, blah, blah. The
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 8: reason I didn't feel that way is because they purposely
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 8: had a scene in the movie. Remember in the Falcon
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 8: when they finally get away, like her and Finn, Finn's
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 8: firing the cannon, she's flying. They finally get away, they
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 8: blow up the last TIE fighter, you know, they... They
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 8: run and they hug and they're excited because they both
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 8: can't believe that they actually got away with it. Like,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 8: she's not arrogant badass at all. It was a real,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 8: I can't believe we actually did this. So I buy
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 8: it and I like her. Screw the internet.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 11: She's a good improviser.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 9: She's good at just thinking on her own. Yeah, you
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 9: just wing it because that's what she's had to.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 10: Do her whole life. And there's lightsaber battle with Kylo Ren.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 10: I mean, she's on the defensive side. for almost the
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 10: entire thing i mean she's she runs most of that
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 10: fight and then finally you know realistic.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 9: Like you don't see that in most of these because
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 9: they're so super cool but like she's like.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 10: Oh shit you know i'm sort of i mean if
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 10: you if you believe if you accept the fact that
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 10: the force really is this mystical thing you know she
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 10: doesn't need training per se it's sort of available to
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 10: anyone that can touch into it and so maybe it's
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 10: like hey you're better it you're better at this than
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 10: you think, so go a little on the offensive.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 8: You know, what about the whole thing Yoda was going
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 8: on and on about if you don't have training, you'll
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 8: go to the dark side? Do you think that Rey
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 8: proves that wrong? Because after the prequels, I'm not as
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 8: on board with Yoda, with Yoda's theories.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 9: That's another thing I had a little respect for.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 10: I sort of think that it's sort of akin to
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 10: someone saying, you can't be a good mechanic if you've
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 10: never gone to mechanic school.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 10: You know, so I think Yoda's sort of blinded too
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 10: by this idea of, well, we had an order and
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 10: we used to train them.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 8: Because they're a superior caste.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 10: Or just, you know, it's sort of like, you know,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 10: it's like gun control. You know?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 9: I like this already.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 10: We've got to keep guns out of everyone's hands and
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 10: only in the hands of people who are trained and
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 10: licensed to use them because we've seen other people who
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 10: aren't in this group do something bad with them, whereas
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 10: there's a lot of people who don't do bad things
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 10: with them. So we have seen the badness, so we
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 10: regimented to where we're in control of everything. And I
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 10: sort of like the idea of the force just being
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 10: everyone can use it. A farmer can be strong in
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 10: the force and grows great crops because he's able to
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 10: tap into the force.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 9: I mean, to me, I like that better. Again, that's
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 9: more like a New Hope version of how I took
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 9: the Force before Episode I came along and jacked it
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 9: all up.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 10: Well, and even not so much if you believe, but
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 10: you may not know that it's called the Force, but
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 10: you just tap into it.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 9: It is a mystical thing that is in the universe.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 9: Whether you're using it or not, it's there.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 8: So I never thought of that.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 9: You're right.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 8: For some reason, if you found out you had the Force,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 8: suddenly you have to become a... sword-wielding monk. You could
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 8: just be a great gardener. What you call the force,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 8: other people would call your green thumb. And you wouldn't know.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 8: It's like, I make the best pizza in the world
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 8: because apparently I have the force.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: Never knew.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 8: I got this cool laser pizza cutter, though.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 10: It's pretty awesome. Again, it's more of the idea of
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 10: the force in the first one. It's more inclusive. Everyone,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 10: even though Han says, I don't believe in the force
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 10: because I believe in a blaster.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 9: But it's still out there.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 10: And it's not like you are in touch with the
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 10: Force and you aren't in touch with the Force. It's like, well,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 10: you're more than you are, but you're in touch with
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 10: it too. It's not like it's an all or nothing deal.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 10: I mean, you can have gradients of infusion with the
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 10: Force or whatnot.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 9: It's still there. It's just, do you want to be
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 9: part of it or do you want to be one?
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 9: I don't care. I could care less about it.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 8: But the prequels make it very clear that you either
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 8: have the infection or you don't.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 10: Well, and you have a certain level of infection.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 8: I much prefer that type of force.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 9: And then you have to enter our school and learn
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 9: how to use it. And your parents have to pay tuition,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 9: I'm sure. And I'm just, yeah, everything else about that
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 9: just kind of ruins the whole fun and coolness factor
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 9: of Jedis as a whole.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 8: I feel like we're totally dominating. I want you two
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 8: kids to talk something.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: I kept trying to, but you three are just like
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: this triad.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 9: I told you if Ben and I get in a room,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 9: this is going to happen. So you go to 10.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 10: Oh, man.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 11: Well, I was thinking about like the alien lady. Yes, there.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 11: Very nice. And that's kind of how she was explaining it.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: She didn't use any kind of infection nonsense, none of that.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 6: She was just like, she kind of reintroduced it as,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: It's like, I'm talking about the force. It's just this
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 6: energy that surrounds everybody.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 11: And then she was just talking about it in that
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 11: mystical way.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 10: And she's not a Jedi. She's not trained, but she
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 10: obviously has some attachment or connection to it.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 9: And she's just very wise. So again, it's like something
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 9: mystical and old that she's been around a long time.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 9: She understands this kind of thing.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 9: Well, I also feel like it tied that in pretty
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 9: well with the the lightsaber because, again, there's a weird
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 9: gray area of, how the hell did you get this? Again,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 9: I'm waiting for some, you know, scrapyard to be like, yeah,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 9: I saw this fall out of this floating city and
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 9: picked it up and... Had this hand on it. Took
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 9: me an hour to pry that hand off of it,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 9: but anyway.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: I thought her whole flashback thing was cool.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 11: Like, she touches it and I was like, whoa!
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 9: That's what I was going to say. That makes it
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 9: more of a mystical thing that's like part of the
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 9: universe and part of the fact that like maybe the
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 9: force chooses you if we're doing a weird Harry Potter
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 9: tie and maybe it picked you to be like well
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 9: I think you're the one that's going to be using
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 9: this lightsaber you know it's like it chooses you because
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 9: there's some sort of weird connection that maybe it's the
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 9: force maybe it's your family maybe whatever but like I
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 9: think that was really cool too that it does sort
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 9: of reinforce more of that weird, mystical.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 11: Universal thing. And this collective memory thing.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 6: Like this kind of more ethereal nature.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: Of the Force.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 9: It all happened within the Force.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 8: Are we saying that Rey is Luke's kid?
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 9: That's certainly out there. I've already... Again, once I was done,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 9: I went to the internet. That theory is already posed.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 11: I was like, Rey Skywalker. I like that name. I
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 11: was like, I like the sound of that.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 10: I hope she's not.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 11: That's fine. I.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 10: Mainly because is Star Wars always going to be about Skywalker?
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 10: Is it always going to be about the Skywalker solo descendants?
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 9: Again, this 789 might be.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 10: So I like the idea of, no, she's just talented
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 10: in this stuff. She doesn't have to be descended from
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 10: the right person. She's just awesome.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 9: I'd be okay with that too. If we're going to
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 9: raise that kind of question... I have a lot of
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 9: great things to say about episode seven. My few things
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 9: that I have issues with, really another Death Star kind
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 9: of thing. Do we have to end every one of these?
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 7: But it was way bigger.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: It was bigger.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 9: But the last one was bigger, too. The Jedi version
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 9: was like four times bigger than the first one, but
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 9: nobody cares about that.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 10: The minute I saw the movie poster, and that was
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 10: featured front and center, I'm like.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 9: Damn it.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 10: I'm like, damn you, J.J. Abrams, can you not steal...
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 10: A previous story and just rehash it?
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 9: I mean, that's the, I mean, that's, I started giving
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 9: Luke as hell years ago because I was like, you
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 9: only made three movies in that series and by the
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 9: third one, you're ripping yourself off already? Like, you couldn't
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 9: come up with another way to end the third movie? Like,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 9: Empire doesn't have anything to do with that. Like, Empire's
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 9: the only one that's kind of original and stands on
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 9: its own, even though it doesn't because it's just a continuation.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 9: But like, as a story, it is wholly different than
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 9: episode four. six comes around and so much of it
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 9: is just rehashed things that he already had for four
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 9: that he didn't use or continuation of this or a
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 9: redone version of what was in this one. And I'm
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 9: like that I always kind of gave Lucas hell for anyway.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 9: I'm like, you really had so little original stuff in Jedi. Granted,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 9: there's some cool stuff there, but it, you can already
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 9: see him wearing thin at that point a long time ago.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 9: Whereas like, I think, coming into this, we had so
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 9: many new ideas. I was like, let's just do something else.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 9: Let's just not even worry about that.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 8: You know what though? They had a Death or Star.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 8: They had a Trench Run. They had a Trash Compactor reference.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 8: They had a breaking a girl out of the, or trying,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 8: going there to break the girl out of prison. They
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 8: had a, Oh, my God, our planet's going to get
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 8: blown up by the Death-er star. I didn't care. I
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 8: didn't care. It was done so well.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: The Death-est star.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 10: Because we have the Death-est star, the Death-er star, and
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 10: the Death-est star.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 11: The Death-est star.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 10: The Death-iest star.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 9: I like the touches of all the other stuff. I
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 9: like the... Again, if I had gone through a crazy
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 9: trash compactor adventure, I'd reference it years later. I don't
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 9: feel like those are cheesy. I'm like, this is just history.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 9: This is his life. He's allowed to reference... People always, again,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 9: in the indie story, when he jokes about the Ark
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 9: of the Covenant, I'm like, no, really, a couple years ago,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 9: he just lived through that. It's okay for him to
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 9: make a reference about it. So I'm like, I feel
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 9: the same thing with the Han Solo. I'm like, I'm
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 9: fine with them making jokes about stuff that happened, because
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 9: it's all part of their life. The thing I thought, again,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 9: even if you have to have a death-er-ist, most death-est,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 9: most done death-est star, the most death-est star there ever was,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 9: my problem with the way that it's handled in this,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 9: this is probably one of the weak points. I don't
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 9: feel like it's ever a threat. I kind of forgot
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 9: it was a thing until like the dudes flying the
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 9: black X wing. And I'm like, Oh yeah, they have
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 9: to go do something. Don't they? Like, it's like in
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 9: the first one, like it was such a big deal
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 9: like that. It's the last, again, the weird structure of
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 9: episode four is not like any other movie ever. And
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 9: the fact that they just break away in that last
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 9: 20 minutes or so is its own separate thing. And
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 9: so much weight is given to that. Would you like
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 9: to escape?
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 9: Would you give people your send-off?
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 8: We talked over you the whole time.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 9: I'm so sorry.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 11: We were real mad about it.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 8: Can you do closing thoughts?
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah, what were your favorite parts of episode seven? I'm
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 9: not going to talk for it all.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 8: Talk as long as you want here.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 9: Give people a send-off, at least, on your thoughts on
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 9: episode seven.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: I'm going to do one callback to a comment that
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 6: I wanted to make that I couldn't make. One of
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 6: the reasons that the stormtroopers, they scared me too, was
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 6: because all of them moved in the exact same way
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 6: except for Finn. Finn, you could tell it was Finn
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 6: just because he moved in a human fashion and none
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 6: of the rest of them did.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 11: They all moved.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 6: Like, it wasn't like they were, like, Nazis or anything,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 6: but they moved so clinically that it made me uncomfortable.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 11: So there's that.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 7: Cool.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 6: But I loved episode seven. All of the characters, while, like,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 6: They are lovable and positive and good. They are also
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: like not underdeveloped and like surface level good. They're like
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 6: good with oomph.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 9: And reality to them.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 9: They feel like real people.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 11: They're just real good people.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 8: Is there anything that you thought didn't work?
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 11: Didn't work. Gee golly willikers. Not that I can think
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 11: of right now.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 9: I have a follow up question from your opening statement.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 9: Okay. Why did you always pick Jedi to go to
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 9: sleep to?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 11: I don't know. That was my favorite when I.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 14: Was a kid.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 9: I was wondering, because a lot of kids, it kind
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 9: of depends on when you catch it. Sometimes kids just
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 9: love the Ewoks and go for Jedi. So I just
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 9: wondered what drew you to Jedi.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, that probably had something to do with it.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: Probably Ewoks.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 9: I'm not an Ewok hater.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 9: It's the weakest part of that movie, but they're okay. Yeah,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 9: they're all right. They are what they are. They're a
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 9: ripped off idea from episode four.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 9: What was your thoughts?
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 13: I mean, great movie.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 12: One thing I enjoyed, though, I just thought of it,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 12: is that Han's, his weapons, his firearm techniques are pretty
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 12: much the same. He does a lunge, one hand is out.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 12: It's very consistent. I'm surprised he can still do that.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 9: Continuity.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 11: He's got carpal tunnel over the ears.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 12: You just pop a hip, like, oh, having to come
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 12: back up. Yeah, I thought that was great. Yeah, sure,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 12: the Deathist star, sure.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 6: I do think that Han's, like, his dialogue is just
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 6: similar to the way it was in the original movies,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 6: and that kind of took me out of it a
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 6: little bit, because he's the only one that's being a cheeseball.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 11: Like, everyone else isn't being a cheeseball, because they're.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 9: Like, more real. But he got pretty cheesy.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 10: Again, he was.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 9: It got a little, again, by the time you get
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 9: to Jedi, he gets even cheesier.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 11: And it's like, I know that's kind of just like
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 11: Harrison Ford in everything he does.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 6: He's just a cheese ball. And it didn't take me
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 6: out of the movie. I still loved it, but I
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 6: was like, your dialogue does not match the dialogue of
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 6: everyone around you, kind of, to me.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 9: But sometimes it worked.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 9: Like again, there were such.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 6: Moments that I'm like, didn't work altogether, but I was like,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 6: you're the one making the, he seems like the poop joke,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 6: not the poop joke.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 9: But like he's, he's almost like very in a line
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 9: that he had two movies ago. You know, it's like,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 9: he doesn't say it exactly, but he says almost the
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 9: same thing he said in 1980. You know, it's like,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 9: I will give you, there were a few moments I went,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 9: it's almost too close. You know, you should have rewritten
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 9: that a little bit. So it didn't mirror so much
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 9: something he said, Again, for him it's been 30 years.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 9: Maybe he says that kind of thing all the time.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 9: But for us, we've only had four movies that we're counting.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 9: Because none of us like the other. Four movies that
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 9: he's involved in. And like, you're already kind of, again,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 9: you're already taking from your own thing. I feel like
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 9: they should always move to kind of vary it up
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 9: and not just rip off their own ideas. Even if
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  Speaker 9: it was Lucas's.
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  Speaker 6: So that's the only thing I can think of right
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  Speaker 6: now that I was like, that's not quite what I
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 6: would want.
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  Speaker 1: There's a little of that.
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  Speaker 9: How about you?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, I really have nothing.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Nothing else.
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  Speaker 11: He's got nothing.
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  Speaker 9: It's awesome.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 8: I am empty.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 9: I did, before you go, one of the ones I
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 9: was going to get to was marketing. Just to veer off.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 9: Do you, and before the girl of the bunch leaves.
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  Speaker 9: Do you notice something? Because one of the people I
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 9: work with was bitching about the marketing because doesn't really
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 9: pay attention to TV, doesn't really care about watching ads,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 9: looking at ads in magazines, but immediately saw... Like an
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 9: ad for... Let me at least get the ones right here.
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  Speaker 9: I think CoverGirl has a very specific line of makeup
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 9: that is officially licensed Star Wars. Limited edition, mind you.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 9: Collect them all. CoverGirlMakeup.com I don't know. And there's also
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 9: the K Jewelry has a line, not bad costume stuff
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 9: for kids. It's real jewelry for women to wear that
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 9: have Star Wars logos and lightsabers and shit on them.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 9: So I'm like, I don't know. What do you, Yoda's
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 9: and shit on them? That was for you, Ben. So
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 9: I was like, I don't know. What do you think
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 9: about the marketing and the, specifically this time around, marketing
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 9: to women?
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  Speaker 6: Um well i didn't see pretty much anything but the
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  Speaker 6: trailer like leading up to the movie i didn't i
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 6: don't have tv i don't like watch a ton of
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 6: ads but like i watched the trailer yeah right um
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 6: but i mean if if a bunch of companies are
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 6: trying to it's like that reflects that they know that
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 6: women watch star wars yeah making a makeup line making
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 6: a jewelry line it's like they know that women watch
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 6: star wars and they're trying to cash in on it
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 6: like that's just companies doing their capitalism thing that.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 9: Was my thing like i didn't really have a problem
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 9: i'm like that's where we are in this world. That's
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 9: how things get made. That's how the deals happen. And
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 9: it's Star Wars.
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  Speaker 6: It's not an issue with the movie or their marketing
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 6: of their movie.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 9: It's just marketing.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 6: It's like making pink razors and charging $ 2 more for them.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 6: It's just like, that's always going to be the case.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: Women are just going to get charged shit for whatever
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 6: or get sold stuff.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 11: Oh my God. You almost lost a nice mic stand there.
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  Speaker 9: But at the same time, I feel like it's almost
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 9: like a cool direction. I'm like, yes, they're, they're totally
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 9: playing you and you're getting roped in, but at least
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 9: they're recognizing you as a consumer, as a.
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  Speaker 6: Target stores, like doing the whole, like, we're not going
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 6: to do boys and girls stuff.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 11: So there's just going to be a star Wars section
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  Speaker 11: that both boys and girls can go to. And that's fabulous.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 9: I think that's cool because we have so many girls
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 9: that are going to be coming up and maybe when
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 9: they get out of the plane with toys age, Maybe
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 9: they want to get makeup so they have perfect skin
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 9: like Rey.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 11: Perfect skin like Rey.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 9: Perfect skin.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 9: Thank you, cover girl, for my perfect freaking skin.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 11: But it's not like making like a pink football helmet.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 6: Or like girls can only use the pink lightsaber. I mean,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 6: if it's just like a makeup line that they're like
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: look like Rey, I guess.
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  Speaker 11: Like I don't know what angle they're taking there.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 6: But I mean, I think that's more just like moving
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 6: like a reflection of the audience.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 9: Okay. I mean, that was my take. I don't, I mean,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 9: you can buy a can of soup that looks like
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 9: R2-D2 right now.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 9: I'm okay with that. I might go buy one.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 11: That doesn't bother me. I mean, I'm just like, women, don't,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 11: don't buy that shit. What are you doing?
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 9: Again, I'm okay. I probably won't go out and get
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 9: a Vangley bracelet, but I mean, the fact that they
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 9: have it, and again, I think this is just a
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 9: sign of the world we're in now. There is no
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 9: way that 20, 30 years ago, that kind of stuff
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 9: could have happened.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 11: Absolutely not.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 9: But in this new geek-friendly world, not only is it
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 9: super mass marketing, is the number one television show about
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 9: a bunch of geeks, and you'll notice that TV show
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 9: that I don't have to name, it started off as
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 9: a bunch of guy geeks. When it started to get popular,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 9: they all got girlfriends. And now there's equally as many
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 9: geeky women on the show making the references, bringing in
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 9: female viewers as there are the guys. And that's why
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 9: it's the number one show on television now. So I'm like, Oh,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 9: I hate it. But I'm like, I've watched it and
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 9: I'm like, I can hate it, but I can't knock
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 9: it because damn, they're smart. They know just how to
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 9: market everything. They know just what are like, again, they
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 9: brought in the not geeky girl and then they added
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 9: some other girls for her to say, again, it brought
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 9: in a whole female viewership that I'm like, damn, they're
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 9: smart because they were already like, we're already getting tons
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 9: of geek girls in the world now that we didn't
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 9: have 30 years ago that get the references that sometimes
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 9: they're doing right. But on top of that, now that
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 9: we've got a whole new line of Marketing that goes
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 9: specifically towards, so again, I think it's a different world
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 9: that we're in now that is, you're going to have that.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 9: You're going to have 50% of the people, or more,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 9: if you believe statistics, are going to be drawn to
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 9: this item. Why the hell don't they get marketing too? Like,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 9: I don't care.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 11: They're just losing money if they're not.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's stupid not to. You're already selling on to,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 9: I mean, there's a coffee mate that has Boba Fett
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 9: on it right now. You can go get coffee mate
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 9: and pour it in there and it looks like Boba Fett.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 9: Do I care?
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 9: Did it get the movie made? I'm fine with that.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 9: They made a deal. They made a hell of a
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 9: lot of money and George doesn't even get any of
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 9: it now.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 6: I think it'd be worse if they just didn't have
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 6: a jewelry line or a mega. It's like worse if
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 6: it's just ignored.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 14: All you.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 9: It's only for little kids. Again, it's just sort of
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 9: shoving that geek thing down into it's only for kids.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 9: It's only for nerdy boys. I'm like, I'm okay with
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 9: the fact that like if it wants to be super
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 9: mainstream and And like somebody buys fancy jewelry and wears
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 9: it out on their date for the evening. I'm like,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 9: that's cool. I'm okay with that. You need to escape.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 9: I will let you two get out of here.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 11: Thank you.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 9: Say goodbye. Thank you for being part of this festive activity.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 8: I was just apologizing.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 9: You wish you could take these cookies. You can have
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 9: a few if you want.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 8: They were the voice of youth and I talked over
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 8: them the whole time.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 7: That's what old men do.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 10: May the force be with you all.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 8: As long as you're infected.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 13: May the force.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 9: Be with you.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 9: Yes, we have chased away the most normal people of
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 9: the bunch. They still have hope and bright futures. Anyway,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 9: don't think that's the end of the conversation. we're only
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 9: halfway there. And now that we're left with just old-school
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 9: Star Wars fans, we're taking it up not one, but
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 9: several notches.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 8: So we will.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 9: Continue this hardcore Star Wars conversation next episode. In the meantime,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 9: if you know any other Star Wars fans out there,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 9: and since the movie made a fortune opening weekend, I'm
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 9: pretty sure you know more than a few people who
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 9: are into it, please pass along the link to this show.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 9: It would be greatly appreciated by us, and hopefully your
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 9: friends will have fun listening as well. And on the
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 9: way out here, we will return with a lot of
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 9: Episode 7 talk, so in the meantime, we'll leave you
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 9: with a little recap of what's come before. Otherwise, that
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 9: about does it. We will return next time, same geek feed.
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  Speaker 15: Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 5: Star Wars has returned to resume its storyline. Between the
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: last film and now, well, it's been a long, long time.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 5: If you've forgotten anything, we'll remind you now in a
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: very detailed recap of how It all went down. Escape
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: pod to Tatooine. Jawa sentient machines. Young Skywalker's sunset scene.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: R2 ants and people scream.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 7: Obi-Wan in long dark robes. Must repair C-3PO. Obi-Wan, you're
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 7: my only hope. Uncle Owen and.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 10: Oh, nope.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: Mos Eisley, lots of weirdos.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 9: Not the droids as far as we know.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 7: Han shoots first.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 9: Bye-bye, Greedo. Chewie, jump up to light speed, go!
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: Alderaan to smithereens, that's no moon.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: Tractor beam, dress up.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 5: As the other team to save the captured future queen.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: Dodging blasters, trash compactor, cord off between dueling actors.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 9: Wayward student slays his.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: Master, must escape but must go faster.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 5: TIE fighters hop pursuit, don't get cocky, kid, just shoot.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 7: Yavin 4, prep the troops, they'll force me with you, Luke.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 19: Plus red 1036 at all Torpedoes miss, computers fall Use
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 19: the force, now Luke don't stall Vader, Falcon, whoop, close
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 19: call Death Star goes kabooey Everyone get out there zooming Medals.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 16: For their royal duty Han and Luke, but it's not
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 16: chewy Star Wars, Star Wars Misses everything that happens here
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 16: Star Wars, Star Wars.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 7: Ice planet, Wampa Cave. Obi-Wan beyond the grave.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: Solo in the blizzard brave. Tauntaun guts, Lucas A. Back
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: to base of frozen water.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 17: Nerf herder.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 7: Kiss that's awkward. Star destroyers. Giant walkers. Lots and lots
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 7: of rebels slaughtered. Asteroids, take a breather. Our enormous phallic creature.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 9: Today come on, Luke.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: Where you'll meet your ancient muffin Jedi teacher. Physical and
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: mental training.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 5: Vader vision, Yoda's phrasing.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 7: Do or do not. X-wing racing.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 9: Whoop, gotta go.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 7: Friends need saving. Cloud city, where he at? Once more,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 7: 3PO' s a mess.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: Darth teams up with Boba Fett as the world's worst
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 5: dinner guest.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 7: Luke is on his way, although Carbonite will pour Han
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 7: Solo Walter deal. Damn it, Lando.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 8: Awesome kiss.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 11: I love you.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 14: I know.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 7: Luke and Vader, this is it. Epic battle trading hits.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 7: Sabers clash, pop and fizz. Nothing is as cool as this.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 7: Vader cuts him, not the rest. High above an endless pit.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 7: Dark side pitches, Luke resists.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 8: I am your father.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 6: Holy shit!
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 7: Star Wars, Star Wars.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 17: This is everything that happens in Star Wars, Star Wars.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: Jabba's palace, next vendetta Chewie captured, plan develops Leia's bounty hunter,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: get up Unfreeze Han, but it's a setup Luke shows
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: up in Tatooine Leia's super hot bikini Rank or fight,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 5: that bikini Sarlacc pit, that bikini Walk the plank, but
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: the plan is set Green lightsaber, catch, no sweat Jabba
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: grossly choked to death. The same is true for Boba Fett.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: Dagobah Luke retreats. Master Yoda dies in peace. Kenobi paints
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: a family tree. Remember that one kissing scene? Death Star
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 5: almost good to go.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 9: The Emperor now joins the show.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 7: Endor is more frightening though.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 9: With teddy bears, with bows and arrows.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 7: Luke gets caught, confronts his dad. Come with me, you're
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 7: not all bad.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 5: Rebels move in to attack the Death Star, but whoops,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: it's our turn. One more saber fights a given Vader's
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: hand cut symbolism Lightning fingers indecision Vader toss and all's
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: forgiven Bonding quick before it blows Remove a helmet, that's
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 5: gross Endor dancing happy ghosts And that is how the
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 5: story goes Star Wars, Star.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 17: Wars That was everything that happened in Star Wars, Star
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 17: Wars There were only three installments of Star Wars, Star Wars.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 7: Don't look any further into it. Star Wars. Star Wars.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 14: Star Wars.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: If you see only one movie this summer, see Star Wars.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 7: But if you see two movies, see Movie Meltdown.
• 1:58:22
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• 1:58:25
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• 1:58:29
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• 1:58:34
  Speaker 6: Talk hard.