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Missing mom Suzanne Morphew hubby on secret camera, new evidence revealed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She's brilliant, she's beautiful, she's
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Speaker 1: a mom, beautiful, home the works. She goes missing. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours, we learn about a bombshell's statement from
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Speaker 1: the husband of missing mom, Suzanne Morphew. But what if anything,
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Speaker 1: does it mean? I Meancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and Sirius XM one eleven. We all recall when this
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Speaker 1: mom just precious, she's about that big, goes out biking,
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Speaker 1: or so we're told on Mother's Day. Now, you know
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Speaker 1: what if my husband did give me a card or something,
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Speaker 1: just bring me a cup of hot tea anything that
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Speaker 1: would actually hurt my feelings, but hey, that's just me anyway.
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Speaker 1: According to sources, she's out all by herself while her
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Speaker 1: husband is out of town. Her daughter's on a camping trip.
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Speaker 1: When they try to call her, she doesn't answer. That's
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Speaker 1: not like mom. So let's take it from the top
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Speaker 1: before we get to the new Bombshelle. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this our friends at CBS four and she went
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Speaker 1: biking on Sunday. They're in the mountains about twenty miles
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Speaker 1: west of Salida. Trevor and and then there was nothing
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Speaker 1: from her. Tell us what you do know, Alan, I'm
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Speaker 1: willing to confirm that the bike was found on Sunday evening.
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Speaker 1: The bike was found on Suda Sunday evening, the night
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Speaker 1: that she disappears, and for more information on the bike.
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Speaker 1: For his condition, I would encourage you and everyone else
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Speaker 1: to contact the chap County Sheriff's Department. Yeah, it has
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Speaker 1: to be disconcerting to know the bike has found. Sheriff
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Speaker 1: has said he does not believe that this was an
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Speaker 1: animal and so all of Colorado has really ought to
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Speaker 1: be aware that there is a potential den Trevor that
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Speaker 1: she might be somewhere well out of the county for
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Speaker 1: all we know, which is why we need to make
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Speaker 1: sure that we're aware of the situation. Okay, let me
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Speaker 1: introduce my panel, because the first person I want to
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Speaker 1: go to is Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute and crime scene expert. In that we had
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Speaker 1: to call her in from a crime safe to join
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Speaker 1: us today. Cheryl McCollum, I don't get it. I'm not
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Speaker 1: knocking the nephew since he's the only one really speaking
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Speaker 1: out her nephew, but I find that really odd that
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Speaker 1: he says, Uh, I'm willing to confirm her bike was found.
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Speaker 1: Why so close to the vest? Why are we playing
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Speaker 1: a high and seek with the evidence. Give me some
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Speaker 1: evidence so I can help in the search. What's the deal? Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: and Nancy, here's the thing they keep mentioning animals. Most
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Speaker 1: people that live in a mountainous area like Colorado or
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Speaker 1: near deserts or anything where animals may attack a human being,
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Speaker 1: they know that that carcass, for lack of a better word,
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Speaker 1: is not going to be drug more than fifty feet.
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Speaker 1: So if this had been an animal attack, she would
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Speaker 1: have been near that bicycle and that must be where
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Speaker 1: the sheriff was saying at the get go, I don't
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Speaker 1: think this is an animal attack. In the last hours,
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Speaker 1: a bombshell occurrence, a bombshell statement from the husband. But
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Speaker 1: let me introduce my guests. Attorney joining me out of
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Speaker 1: la Doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatri's chief Psychiatry, Memorial Regional
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Speaker 1: Healthcare and Professor Yale University School of Medicine. You can
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Speaker 1: find them on Insta, doctor Daniel Bober, Cheryl McCullum. As
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Speaker 1: you know well, Laurence Sharf joining me. They're on the
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Speaker 1: scene Fox twenty one, Colorado Springs. She spoke with the
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Speaker 1: husband Barry Morphew this week, Dan Ribekoff, and you'll see
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Speaker 1: why we need Dan Ribecoff, polygraph expert and author of
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Speaker 1: I Spy, How to Be Your Own Investigator. I love
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Speaker 1: this book I Spy. I just hope my children don't
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Speaker 1: get ahold of it at www dot Dan Ribecoff dot com.
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Speaker 1: And Tyson Draper from the Draper Brothers YouTube channel, who
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Speaker 1: secretly recorded Barry Moorephew at the location where Suzanne's more
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Speaker 1: Bike was reportedly found. I've got a lot of questions
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Speaker 1: about how the bike got there and whether the scene
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Speaker 1: was staged. But you know, when you're trying to put
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Speaker 1: a case together, you start at the beginning. You try
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Speaker 1: to analyze clues that may have been left behind. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at CBS four. The hardest thing,
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Speaker 1: she's beloved member of her family and the sweetest person
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Speaker 1: that you've ever met, The nephew of forty nine year
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Speaker 1: old Susanne more Few talking about what it's like to
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Speaker 1: go through the difficulty of a search that started after
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Speaker 1: she went missing during a Sunday bike. Cry family has
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Speaker 1: said her husband Barry, was out of town in Denver.
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Speaker 1: A friend called authorities when more Few didn't return. The
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Speaker 1: bike was found on Sunday, the day as you would missing.
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Speaker 1: The sheriff has not yet shared information on the bike,
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Speaker 1: but has told CBS for the reason for her disappearances
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Speaker 1: probably not animals. Extensive searching in Chaefee County, about twenty
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Speaker 1: miles west of Salida, has not brought an answer on
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Speaker 1: what happened to more a few. Extensive searching that goes
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Speaker 1: back to what Cheryl McCollum was saying earlier that an
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Speaker 1: animal carcass likely would not be dragged over fifty feet
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Speaker 1: if bobcats or mountain lions got it much less. Susan, Susanne,
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Speaker 1: more Few. But I want to go to you, TROYE. Slayton,
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney. You know you know your way around
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Speaker 1: the courtroom. Kenny just helped me out. Why is it
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Speaker 1: the few he's speaking out? Where's the husband? Well, if
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Speaker 1: the husband was my client, Nancy, I would tell him
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Speaker 1: not to speak out, But I would he made a
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney telling him don't talk. His wife is missing,
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Speaker 1: he says, an oil lion ate her and I guess
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Speaker 1: he ate her right down to her toenail Pauls because
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Speaker 1: there's not a trace anywhere of that happening. He provided
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Speaker 1: that as a plausible, factual scenario, Nancy. But he knows
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Speaker 1: that based on lots of similar cases like this, the
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Speaker 1: first person, the most likely person that they're going to
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Speaker 1: be looking at, is him. So what he did for
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Speaker 1: him that thirty He gave thirty hours of testimony to
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Speaker 1: the FBI and the CBI and answered all their questions.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, doctor Daniel Biber, you know what
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Speaker 1: if my husband went missing, and yes we got you know,
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Speaker 1: we never fought one time before the children were born.
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Speaker 1: Now we're a lot immortal kombat at all times about
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Speaker 1: the school, the scouts, the bad time, to this that,
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Speaker 1: the vegetarian, the junk food, it's whenever. If something happened
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Speaker 1: to him and he went missing, I would be screaming
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Speaker 1: to the mountaintops. If somebody wanted to investigate me, I
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Speaker 1: would say, bring it on, but find David. You know,
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Speaker 1: grill me sautemy, cut me up on the griddle, but
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Speaker 1: find my husband. And I am not getting that. And
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Speaker 1: you know what, I've held back on more for you
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Speaker 1: but I don't understand it. So you explain it to me.
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Speaker 1: Bober Well, I think what your guests said before, which
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Speaker 1: is true, that you know, in this situation, the husband's
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Speaker 1: always going to be the first person I'm gonna look at.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's a delicate balance. Okay, I don't
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Speaker 1: see the delicate balance you're talking about, because if it
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Speaker 1: were my husband, I mean sure, I'm mccalling. If it
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Speaker 1: were your husband, you'd put up a blockade, you know,
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Speaker 1: at the police department. You'd be laid on the courthouse steps.
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Speaker 1: No stowa go unturned. They could have my DNA, they
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Speaker 1: could give me a polygraph, they could do whatever they
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Speaker 1: wanted to get off of me so that they could
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Speaker 1: start focusing on what truly happened to Wald. If he
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Speaker 1: were missing, I would hide nothing. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at k wg N. Day three of the
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Speaker 1: search for forty nine year olds Shusanne Morphew, the Chiefee
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Speaker 1: County wife and mother, first reported missing late Sunday afternoon.
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Speaker 1: The search intensifying today along Highway fifty at the base
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Speaker 1: of Monarch Pass. Today, I've got different types of searching
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Speaker 1: dogs in the area, gone back over the same area again.
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Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon, more few had set out for a bike
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Speaker 1: ride along County Road to twenty five and West Highway fifty.
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Speaker 1: Chiefee County's sheriff says social media is actually getting to
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Speaker 1: places where search crews cannot well over about one hundred
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Speaker 1: and eighty thousand, well over one hundred and eighty thousand
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Speaker 1: people on Facebook authorities down South Hope. Day four ends
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Speaker 1: with promising news. We've brought on a lot of extra
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Speaker 1: help to work on this case, and we're just looking
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Speaker 1: for anything we can to try to find her. Now.
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Speaker 1: It did ask us for Morephew if he's interested in
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Speaker 1: making a public plea, he says, at this point, it's
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Speaker 1: simply too soon, too soon for what How much time
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Speaker 1: do you want to pass before you make a plea?
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: a missing mom, Suzanne Morephew. Seemingly everything went quiet, but
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Speaker 1: we have not forgotten about Suzanne Morephew and in the
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Speaker 1: last hours a bombshell straight out to our friend. Laurence
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Speaker 1: shar Fox twenty one Colorado Springs News reporter. You spoke
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Speaker 1: to Barry Morphew this week. What did you learn you
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Speaker 1: know He told me that there's not one ounce of
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Speaker 1: evidence against him. And wait, Lauren, you gotta understand you're
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Speaker 1: on the scene. You're getting the information fast and furious.
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Speaker 1: But I have to analyze what you're telling me. So
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Speaker 1: the first and gist to me, the first gist of
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Speaker 1: what he had to say is there's no evidence against me.
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Speaker 1: You can't prove it. What about where is my wife?
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Speaker 1: I wake up in the morning that she's not there.
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Speaker 1: We don't have our hot tea together. I mean, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I mean living hell, Well, what about that? Was there
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Speaker 1: any of that? Oh? Absolutely, Nancy. He got emotional with me.
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Speaker 1: He talked about how he misses her every single day
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Speaker 1: and that you know, the two daughters are missing him
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Speaker 1: or missing her so much as well. You know they've
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Speaker 1: been married for twenty six years. That he talked about
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Speaker 1: how you know she's a godly and loving woman, mother
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Speaker 1: to his two children. He spoke, He said he couldn't
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Speaker 1: sleep and eat. You know, he's sick without his wife,
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Speaker 1: his best friend, his lover, he says, and you know,
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Speaker 1: he's just devastated. He did talk a lot about how
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Speaker 1: you know he is missing his life a lot. Let
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Speaker 1: me ask you something I'm sure that this is gonna
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Speaker 1: make Troy Slatton pull his hair out. But you said
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Speaker 1: he was emotional. Did he cry? He did not. Did
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Speaker 1: his voice shake, yes, his voice shook. Did it crack?
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Speaker 1: He stopped himself before I think he might have started crying.
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Speaker 1: To polygraph expert Dan Ribecoff at Dan Ribecoff dot com,
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Speaker 1: I know defense attorney's like Troy Slaton, Well, try to
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Speaker 1: slice me up like a Thanksgiving turkey. But demeanor matters
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Speaker 1: to me. It matters to me. Just recently, a fellow
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Speaker 1: prosecutor passed away, and when I spoke to his wife,
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Speaker 1: the first thing she said on the phone was, well,
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Speaker 1: you know anybody that wants to buy lighthouse. I didn't
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Speaker 1: like that. Now, that means absolutely nothing because he passed
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Speaker 1: away natural causes, and that's a fact. But that just
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Speaker 1: rubbed made the wrong way. What demeanor would you expect,
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Speaker 1: Dan Ribicoff, A certainly unusual affect can be a sign
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Speaker 1: of deception when someone who's near and dear disappears. Obviously
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Speaker 1: you're suffering trauma, but this has been going on for
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Speaker 1: a while now, so the emotions should start to show.
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Speaker 1: Should be crying, should be shaking, should have that tremble
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Speaker 1: in the voice. So certainly an unusual aspect is something
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Speaker 1: that would raise my eyebrows as to not being kosher,
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Speaker 1: as we would say in the investigative business. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our guest Laurence Sharp at Fox twenty one,
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Speaker 1: speaking of polygraph listen for the first time, responding to
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Speaker 1: allegations made by Suzanne's side of the family that he
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Speaker 1: refused polygraph, saying, I've never been asked to do a polygraph.
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Speaker 1: There is nothing that I am hiding. I have given
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Speaker 1: three thirty hours of testimony to the FBI and the CBI.
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Speaker 1: I've answered every question, every single question. Private investigator Dan Corcentino,
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Speaker 1: who's worked in law enforcement for twenty five years and
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Speaker 1: was a former Publo County sheriff and Fountain police chief, says,
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Speaker 1: even if a person is asked to submit to a polygraph,
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Speaker 1: it could be reasonable for that person to refuse. A
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Speaker 1: investigator may offer a polygraph only to have the subject
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Speaker 1: or the personal interest refuse it based on legal vice,
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Speaker 1: knowing the polygraph is not admissible in a courtroom. Courtraybis Schmartram.
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Speaker 1: He cares or trying to find his wife now, he says,
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Speaker 1: he offered to take a polygraph. Well, why hasn't that happened?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of our friend, Lauren Sharf.
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Speaker 1: They want to stay anonymous, but say they're worried Suzanne's husband, Barry,
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Speaker 1: is tampering with the investigation. This family member says Barry
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Speaker 1: refused to polygraph tests and a critical analysis test. The
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Speaker 1: family member also says data collected from Barry's truck doesn't
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Speaker 1: match up with the information he gave investigators. As of
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Speaker 1: Monday night, no clarification was offered on any of that
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Speaker 1: information by the Chiefe County Sheriff's office. Okay to you,
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Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf, joining me Fox twenty one, Colorado Springs. What
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Speaker 1: evidence in the truck does not add up to evidence
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Speaker 1: we've heard about? Well, Barry didn't talk about the truck specifically.
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Speaker 1: He spoke about a Bob pat a machine that he has,
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Speaker 1: But he didn't say exactly what was wrong with his timeline.
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Speaker 1: He just said something the timing was off. In your report,
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Speaker 1: you said that data collected from Morpheus truck does not
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Speaker 1: match the story he gave investigators. Are you referring to
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Speaker 1: his trip to Denver on Mother's Day? I asked BBI
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Speaker 1: to answer that question, and they wouldn't tell me. And
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Speaker 1: that's information from Susanne Morphy's family that told me that
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Speaker 1: data from his Barry Morphy's truck does not jive with
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Speaker 1: his story. That is that correct, That's what the family's saying. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me go to Tyson Draper joining joining us the
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Speaker 1: Draper Brothers YouTube channel who secretly recorded Barry Morphew at
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Speaker 1: the location where Suzanne's bike was found. Welcome, Tyson, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Thank you for having me on, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to be here. Tyson. What happened? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm listening to Lauren talk and you guys
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Speaker 1: have this conversation and you know, I couldn't help but
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Speaker 1: think of my interview with Barry. It was so candid,
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Speaker 1: you know, and it's such a it's such a different
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Speaker 1: interview because you know, it's not Lauren Sharf with Fox
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Speaker 1: twenty one. You know. It gives him a chance to
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Speaker 1: get on there and cry and and talk about all
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Speaker 1: the things he's doing and not doing. But in my video,
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Speaker 1: he didn't know he was being recorded, which is which
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Speaker 1: is very valuable because we can see a real glimpse
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Speaker 1: into his character and into where his emotions and his
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Speaker 1: minded that and during that interview, I think it's it's
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Speaker 1: it's real, and he said he said in there he
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Speaker 1: talked about how maybe a cat drugger up the heel
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Speaker 1: and he said it with zero emotions. All wait, right there, Tyson,
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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to tell me how wrong
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Speaker 1: I was. And in my mind I was thinking, you
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Speaker 1: know what, Thank god, I'm wrong. I'm wrong. Okay, because
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Speaker 1: I've kind of held back on the husband because I
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Speaker 1: didn't have enough information to make any type of assessment.
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Speaker 1: But I was concerned he wasn't coming forward. I didn't
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Speaker 1: see him out they're searching. He wouldn't speak to the camera.
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Speaker 1: I never have gotten a full explanation. I don't get that.
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Speaker 1: My husband just drove three and a half hours one
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Speaker 1: way to a series of business trips and I missed him,
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Speaker 1: but he came back. I kept dragging and dragging jaggon
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Speaker 1: first eat supper, hoping he had come back. And just
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Speaker 1: as I was fixing the plates, I heard the door open. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we have some sound from Tyson Draper's The Draper Brothers
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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Let me tell you what happened, and I
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Speaker 1: do have a reward. There is a reward two hundred
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Speaker 1: and ten thousand dollars ward the Vikings downtain at the
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Speaker 1: bottom of the old by that po people. Oh really
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Speaker 1: the first night there was a mountain lion the officers
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Speaker 1: scene at walk by the car, so we thought, maybes
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Speaker 1: you get coming down the seal of car coming around
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Speaker 1: are fast. Maybe it was disoriented and got in the river.
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Speaker 1: We've covered them all of this really good, this triangle
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Speaker 1: with search and rescue, so we're pretty comfortable that she's
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Speaker 1: not in the triangle, completing the urban parking your truck,
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Speaker 1: this road and then the next room. Okay, you are
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Speaker 1: actually hearing Barry Morphew speak apparently candidly. According to Tyson
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Speaker 1: Draper on The Draper Brothers on YouTube, he didn't know
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Speaker 1: that he was being recorded. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about the disappearance of a really stunning
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Speaker 1: young mom who seemingly went out bite writing on her
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Speaker 1: own all alone on Mother's Day. Her children, her two
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Speaker 1: girls were out on a camping trip. They called her.
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Speaker 1: Mom didn't answer the bye at the bottom of a hill.
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Speaker 1: We're hearing that, right, now from Tyson Draper, who, according
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Speaker 1: to him, secretly recorded Barry Morphew. And I want to
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Speaker 1: make a point. Colorado is a one party consent state,
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Speaker 1: only one person in the conversations to agree to the taping.
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Speaker 1: Before I go to Tyson Draper, let's hear some more
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Speaker 1: of that, Jackie, let's hear cut twenty five. What seems
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Speaker 1: to have happened from the investigators, and they don't give much,
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Speaker 1: and I've got private people working for me, is maybe
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Speaker 1: she was abductive regular and they found an article going west.
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Speaker 1: Of course they won't tell us what it is, so
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Speaker 1: they sent another team after they found the article covered
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Speaker 1: this hillside all the way down to the river. Pretty good.
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Speaker 1: My concerns were this way and that way if it
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Speaker 1: was the cat, because the cat sleep dragon her prey
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Speaker 1: up the mountain, them out of people's We can't find
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Speaker 1: sign for the cabin, but we got rained right away,
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Speaker 1: washed away sign okay to you, Tyson Draper joining me
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Speaker 1: the Draper Brothers YouTube channel, who secretly recorded Susanne Morphy's husband.
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Speaker 1: I need to understand this terrain because if someone, as
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Speaker 1: the husband is saying, kidnapped her. See in my mind,
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Speaker 1: Tysa she was out on a secluded trail, So if
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Speaker 1: someone kidnapped her, they would have to either know that
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Speaker 1: she was about to come down that heel and be
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Speaker 1: in lying in wait, or they would have to happen
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Speaker 1: to be there and suddenly say, hey, there's a woman
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Speaker 1: on a bike. I will steal her and take her
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Speaker 1: with a no trace. What what is the area? Um?
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Speaker 1: The area is very mountainous. UM's it's very secluded. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a mountain biking trailhead. And
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Speaker 1: so there's people that part, you know up above on
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Speaker 1: the on the fifty where the two twenty five and
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Speaker 1: the fifty come together. Um. But I imagine on that
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Speaker 1: particular day, at being Mother's Day in all, there probably
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Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot of people out there. Um. And
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Speaker 1: you know, the size of of Maysville is pretty eye
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Speaker 1: opening too when people when people look into that, it's
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Speaker 1: it's one hundred and thirty five people is a population there,
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Speaker 1: So it's not like a highly populated area. I just
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Speaker 1: think that that the whole abduction theory is just the
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Speaker 1: odds of that happening are astronomical. Tyson Draper. He also
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Speaker 1: mentioned in a car cut her off. And I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to imagine a mountain trail with a road in the
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Speaker 1: middle of it with a car. Is there a way
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Speaker 1: a car could have cut her off without saying it.
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Speaker 1: I can't visualize how that could happen on a trail. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So I was there and actually made a video. I
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Speaker 1: attacked my camera on the front of my truck and
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Speaker 1: kind of drove the same area that she would have
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Speaker 1: ridden her bike on. Brilliant and it was pretty high
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Speaker 1: opening Nancy. How short the bike ride was. Number One,
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Speaker 1: from her house on Fooma Path to the spot where
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Speaker 1: they found the bicycle. I kept my truck at about
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Speaker 1: ten miles an hour simulating a bicycle ride, and it
22:39
Speaker 1: took me I think it was about three minutes to
22:43
Speaker 1: get from point A to point B. So it was
22:45
Speaker 1: a very short bike ride. Now, when you get to
22:48
Speaker 1: the spot where her bicycle was discovered, you're going to
22:52
Speaker 1: find that it's very interesting for several reasons. Number One,
22:56
Speaker 1: you come around a hairpin turn. There's a hairpin turn
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Speaker 1: right there, and that's the first spot on that road
23:03
Speaker 1: before you get up to the fifty where there's no
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Speaker 1: security camera signs. Number One, there's security camera signs all
23:11
Speaker 1: up and down that road. You know, no trespassing, you're
23:13
Speaker 1: onto surveillance, etc. But as you come around that corner,
23:18
Speaker 1: there's no view from security cameras. That's number one. Number two,
23:23
Speaker 1: there's no way she drove off of there with a
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Speaker 1: car running her off the road. And here's why, because
23:30
Speaker 1: as you come around that corner again, it's such a
23:32
Speaker 1: steep incline, and any car that's coming around a hairpin turn,
23:37
Speaker 1: you've got to think that they're not flying around that
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Speaker 1: corner like fifty miles an hour. They're coming around at
23:42
Speaker 1: about five miles an hour. So they're gonna see somebody
23:45
Speaker 1: on a bicycle and there's gonna have They're gonna have
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Speaker 1: plenty of time to stop. It's just not a spot
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Speaker 1: that's seizable to get run off the road. I mean,
23:55
Speaker 1: you know, Suzanne driving a bicycle up a hill, so
23:58
Speaker 1: she's gonna have a tremendous amount of control to put
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Speaker 1: her feet down to stop before she rolls off that
24:04
Speaker 1: ethan bankness. I'm trying to digest what you're saying. So
24:07
Speaker 1: is this trail used by vehicles? It is, it's a road,
24:13
Speaker 1: it's it's actually it's the two twenty five. And I'm
24:17
Speaker 1: not going to pretend to be an expert on how
24:19
Speaker 1: the you know, the Colorado Trail and the bike the
24:23
Speaker 1: bike trail and all that intersects with this, but that
24:26
Speaker 1: that actual road is a county road. Is this her
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Speaker 1: Lauren Shariff? Was this her regular bike ride? That's where
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Speaker 1: she always went? I wanted to know that question to Nancy,
24:39
Speaker 1: but the Sheriff's office won't tell us, and Barry Morphy
24:42
Speaker 1: didn't tell me either. On the phone, I got another
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Speaker 1: question about the bike, Lauren Sharff or Tyson Draper, do
24:50
Speaker 1: you know if when the bike was found? Was it
24:53
Speaker 1: laid on the ground, was it damaged? H was it
24:57
Speaker 1: up on a kickstand if it has a kickstand? And
25:00
Speaker 1: was it leaning against a tree? How was it found?
25:04
Speaker 1: Either of you know that? Tyson Draper do you know? Well,
25:07
Speaker 1: I can only tell you what I was told by
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Speaker 1: Barry's own mouth, and he actually cut it short as
25:13
Speaker 1: he was explaining in my video. He talked about how
25:16
Speaker 1: the bike was found down against the tree at the
25:18
Speaker 1: bottom of this canyon, and the wheel was upside down
25:22
Speaker 1: or the whip was bent or something to that nature,
25:24
Speaker 1: and then he quickly shifted gears and went in another
25:28
Speaker 1: direction after he realized he probably shouldn't know that information
25:33
Speaker 1: or I don't know, I don't know what the situation was,
25:35
Speaker 1: but he changed gears. Though. Okay, let's talk about what
25:37
Speaker 1: you just said, because in my mind, that's a critical
25:40
Speaker 1: piece of information. Cheryl McCollum, Director, Coal Case Research Institute
25:44
Speaker 1: and forensic expert. Cheryl, that's the first time we have
25:51
Speaker 1: heard anything about the condition of the bike. That's major.
25:56
Speaker 1: That the bikes at the bottom of a hill against
25:59
Speaker 1: a tree with one tire up and part of it bent.
26:03
Speaker 1: What does that tell you? It tells me if she
26:06
Speaker 1: was run off the road or hit by a car,
26:07
Speaker 1: her body would have been right there with a bike.
26:10
Speaker 1: It again seems very stage to me. If you've got
26:12
Speaker 1: a dirt road where she had a major wreck, that
26:15
Speaker 1: would be dirt and dust under the seat of the bike.
26:20
Speaker 1: There would be dirt and dust inside the spokes, under
26:23
Speaker 1: the wheel realm. They would know that if there's no blood,
26:28
Speaker 1: that's going to be critical. So again, the bike could
26:32
Speaker 1: have been thrown there, ditched there by somebody. Her body
26:36
Speaker 1: would not have been more than five or ten feet
26:38
Speaker 1: from that bicycle. I was trying to figure out exactly.
26:43
Speaker 1: Let me understand something, Tyson Draper, you're saying that this
26:47
Speaker 1: is the spot where there's no video surveillance. Is there
26:51
Speaker 1: video surveillance up to that spot? Yes? On the David
26:56
Speaker 1: Lauren Sharp and I actually went out there one day
26:58
Speaker 1: and we were we were making it a point to
27:01
Speaker 1: look for security cameras, and we were looking up in
27:03
Speaker 1: the trees and we were looking, you know, anywhere that
27:06
Speaker 1: we could see it. And so when we saw a
27:10
Speaker 1: security camera sign, we would stop and we would kind
27:12
Speaker 1: of investigate. And there's one that's probably about fifty yards
27:18
Speaker 1: from where the bike was discovered, but it's you can't
27:21
Speaker 1: see it because you come around this hairpin turn on
27:23
Speaker 1: that bridge. There's a little bridge there and you come
27:26
Speaker 1: around and so it's just the first area where some
27:29
Speaker 1: of it would dump a bike that is just outside
27:32
Speaker 1: of security surveillance. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we're
27:46
Speaker 1: talking about the disappearance of Suzanne Moorephew, and we're learning
27:49
Speaker 1: in a bombshell reveal from the husband more information. So
27:57
Speaker 1: was there video surveillance to either Laurence Sharf or Tyson
28:00
Speaker 1: Draper of her going on a bike ride at all?
28:05
Speaker 1: That day, Lauren, Nancy, no one has said that or
28:09
Speaker 1: saw that she was on a bike ride, and that
28:11
Speaker 1: we have not seen any surveillance videos. So, Tyson Draper,
28:15
Speaker 1: how can that be if this is surveilled by let
28:19
Speaker 1: me just say, home security cameras that catch people going
28:22
Speaker 1: by on the road. Let's just go with that is
28:25
Speaker 1: a surveillance video. You're saying that this turn where a
28:28
Speaker 1: bike was found was the first spot where there was
28:31
Speaker 1: no video surveillance, So that means there should have been
28:35
Speaker 1: video surveillance of her going on the bike ride, right, Well,
28:39
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I questioned the first time I went
28:41
Speaker 1: out there. I've been out there a couple of different
28:44
Speaker 1: times now, Nancy. But the first time I was there,
28:46
Speaker 1: it was three weeks after Mother's Day, and so it
28:50
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't that long there. A lot of time
28:53
Speaker 1: hadn't gone by, and so I was wondering about the
28:57
Speaker 1: security cameras that were by the morph home because they
29:01
Speaker 1: had blocked off I don't know if it was Barry
29:03
Speaker 1: or the CBI or who had blocked off poom A
29:06
Speaker 1: path with barricades and they wouldn't let you through there
29:09
Speaker 1: to Barry's house and so there was a backway that
29:12
Speaker 1: went that somebody just made with the tractor or whatever,
29:17
Speaker 1: and right there by this homemade road there was there
29:20
Speaker 1: was signs that said do not enter. You know, security surveillance,
29:24
Speaker 1: this and that, and everything that I've been able to
29:27
Speaker 1: uncover so far about the more fus video surveillance is
29:31
Speaker 1: that they had it on the house. They have it
29:33
Speaker 1: on the property, but it was off or down or
29:38
Speaker 1: something that day on Mother's Day, that day only Tyson.
29:43
Speaker 1: That's what I was told, and I can't I can't
29:46
Speaker 1: verify that one hundred percent. But I have talked to
29:48
Speaker 1: people that were very close to the situation and they
29:52
Speaker 1: said that they were wondering what happened to the footage,
29:55
Speaker 1: and they said that the cameras were down that day
29:57
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. To ur Sharf has his location, the
30:02
Speaker 1: husband's been confirmed. Barry told me he was actually at
30:06
Speaker 1: a job site for his lawn care company for his
30:09
Speaker 1: construction company, and I asked him if there was anyone
30:13
Speaker 1: with him, and he said no, they were coming at
30:16
Speaker 1: the date afterwards. Why did he have to go on
30:19
Speaker 1: Mother's Day? Good question? Why did you have to spend
30:21
Speaker 1: the night? Good question? Okay, I want to point out
30:25
Speaker 1: in Troy Slayton, you can back me up on this.
30:27
Speaker 1: This guy, Barry Mooreph, you the husband. He's not a suspect.
30:31
Speaker 1: He's not been named a person of interest. I'm looking
30:34
Speaker 1: at him because statistically, you always look at lover, boyfriend,
30:38
Speaker 1: husband x always, that's where you start, because statistically they're
30:44
Speaker 1: more likely to have a reason or a desire to
30:47
Speaker 1: get rid of a spouse. That doesn't mean Barry Mooreph,
30:49
Speaker 1: you had anything to do with this, that's true, but
30:52
Speaker 1: you don't have to be named publicly a suspect. You
30:55
Speaker 1: don't have to be named publicly a person of interest.
30:58
Speaker 1: But he absolutely is. You know, Nancy and Cheryl McCallum,
31:03
Speaker 1: the forensic expert knows that they're looking at everything forensically
31:08
Speaker 1: relating to him. And you can understand why he's so
31:12
Speaker 1: suspicious of the investigators in this case because his friend
31:17
Speaker 1: was there when they were discovering the bike, and he
31:21
Speaker 1: feels that the law enforcement, that the Sheriff's department, completely
31:26
Speaker 1: botched the investigation by obliterating some of the evidence. Let's
31:31
Speaker 1: talk about what Barry Moorephew is saying, as Troy Slayton
31:36
Speaker 1: is accurately pointing out, no, he hasn't been named a suspect,
31:40
Speaker 1: but he probably feels like a suspect because of course
31:44
Speaker 1: cops are looking at him, because that's spaced interoperating for sature.
31:49
Speaker 1: Here's the reality. Let's say somebody kidnapped her. How lucky
31:55
Speaker 1: is that person that the day they choose to kidnap
31:58
Speaker 1: this woman his Mother's day, and her two adult children
32:01
Speaker 1: aren't there, and her husband, as loving as he is,
32:06
Speaker 1: is not there, and the cameras where she chooses to
32:10
Speaker 1: go ride are not working, and he is. The husband's
32:13
Speaker 1: not calling her, not saying hey, honey, what do you
32:15
Speaker 1: want to do on Mother's Day? I'm coming home as
32:17
Speaker 1: quick as I can. No, he first says he's at
32:20
Speaker 1: a training, then he changes that he's not at a
32:23
Speaker 1: firefighter training in Denver, He's at a job site. So
32:26
Speaker 1: he's changing it so for somebody that knows law enforcement
32:30
Speaker 1: is probably going to be looking at him. He has
32:33
Speaker 1: done everything to make himself more and more suspicious. He
32:37
Speaker 1: can take a private polygraph, He can say, hey, you
32:40
Speaker 1: know what, come, you don't even have to get a warrant.
32:43
Speaker 1: Come and look at my house, Take my truck, take
32:45
Speaker 1: my bobcat I did not hurt her. He hasn't done that.
32:50
Speaker 1: Here he's saying police have botched it. They've obliterated stuff,
32:54
Speaker 1: a cat drugger up a hill. He's told us everything
32:59
Speaker 1: that makes him more and more suspicious. Dan Ribbecoff, polygraph expert,
33:04
Speaker 1: author of I Spy How to Be Your Own Investigator
33:07
Speaker 1: at Dan Ribbekoff dot com. Dan, how hard is it
33:11
Speaker 1: to get a private polly? I bet you do one. Sure,
33:15
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I'd be glad to polygraph him. Very easy
33:18
Speaker 1: to get a polygraph. He may have taken a polygraph
33:21
Speaker 1: test with his attorney and the results may not have
33:24
Speaker 1: been what they wanted him to be. He may have failed,
33:28
Speaker 1: or he may have gotten an inconclusive and they may
33:30
Speaker 1: not turn that over because that would be privileged with
33:33
Speaker 1: his attorney. But you know, what's being said here leads
33:39
Speaker 1: me to say that a person who is innocent would
33:42
Speaker 1: generally be very cooperative. Here, you have blamed shift. He's
33:47
Speaker 1: blaming the police for botching it. He's blaming an animal
33:49
Speaker 1: for kidnapping his wife. And incredibility assessments we say, if
33:55
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense, it's generally not true. And that's
33:59
Speaker 1: what's adding up here. What Barry is doing is certainly
34:03
Speaker 1: making him a suspect. What is a critical analysis test?
34:08
Speaker 1: Dan Rabicoff. Critical analysis test can have several meanings, depends
34:14
Speaker 1: on what the agency is utilizing, but usually it would
34:19
Speaker 1: be a forensic type of interview where they would conduct
34:24
Speaker 1: a structured interview with the subject and score it like
34:28
Speaker 1: a polygraph. We use a method called FAINT, which is
34:32
Speaker 1: Forensic Assessment Interview test where I would interview you, ask
34:37
Speaker 1: you questions, and then score it plus minus plus one
34:41
Speaker 1: plus two zero and that's almost like a polygraph. With
34:45
Speaker 1: my eyes and ears, Tyson Draper or the Draper Brothers
34:48
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, I understand that your recorder interaction with the husband,
34:54
Speaker 1: Barry Morphew during that moreph you notice that you are
34:58
Speaker 1: recording him with a GoPro and asked him to ask
35:02
Speaker 1: you to stop. Why did he not want to be recorded? Well,
35:06
Speaker 1: that's a million dollar question right there. That's the one
35:09
Speaker 1: that I can I cannot answer, Nancy. I um, he
35:13
Speaker 1: did mention that, he said, would you mind turning that off?
35:16
Speaker 1: Because we've we've been troubled and we've been bothered by
35:19
Speaker 1: the media, and we don't want we don't want any
35:23
Speaker 1: media whatsoever. And so that was that was coming from
35:27
Speaker 1: right directly from Barry Tyson. Dry for any evidence he's
35:30
Speaker 1: got a girlfriend, um that I don't know. I've just
35:34
Speaker 1: heard rumors, um and I don't I don't know. I
35:38
Speaker 1: would not be the best person to ask on that.
35:41
Speaker 1: Does he have a girlfriend? Nancy? He told me he's
35:43
Speaker 1: never dated anyone else besides Suzanne, you know, and they've
35:47
Speaker 1: been together for thirty two years. I still don't know
35:50
Speaker 1: why he had to have a hotel room on a
35:52
Speaker 1: Mother's day to to look at a job site. It's
35:55
Speaker 1: is it an hour and a half away to Denver
35:57
Speaker 1: from there? Lauren? No, it's more it's more like, uh
36:01
Speaker 1: close to three hours or three hours same, you know,
36:04
Speaker 1: six to one half dozen the other I would still
36:06
Speaker 1: get home for Father's Day, you darn right, I mean,
36:10
Speaker 1: but that's me. Maybe it was okay with him, Maybe
36:14
Speaker 1: they were going to get together that night and celebrate.
36:16
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a lot of reasons he wasn't there during
36:18
Speaker 1: the day. One last question to Tyson. Draper again explained
36:23
Speaker 1: to me his demeanor and if you could tell me
36:25
Speaker 1: um our mountain lions prevalent in the area. Um, well,
36:30
Speaker 1: his demeanor was I said it the night the night
36:33
Speaker 1: after it happened. I said it, and I'll say it forever.
36:36
Speaker 1: He was very nervous, and there was a there was
36:40
Speaker 1: a lot of red flags. There were just things that
36:42
Speaker 1: weren't sitting right with me, um, you know. And that's
36:47
Speaker 1: that's where I'm at with it. There's a lot of
36:49
Speaker 1: red flags. You can go back and watch the video
36:51
Speaker 1: and pick it apart, um, but his demeanor was very nervous,
36:56
Speaker 1: like he was hiding something. And you look at her brother,
37:01
Speaker 1: Andy Morman. He's coming out and he's saying, I don't
37:03
Speaker 1: care about anything else other than finding my little sister.
37:07
Speaker 1: And that's, in my opinion, that's the way Barry should
37:10
Speaker 1: be acting like, no matter what it takes, let's just
37:14
Speaker 1: find Susanne. I don't care if media is here, I
37:17
Speaker 1: don't care about X, Y and Z. Let's just find
37:19
Speaker 1: my wife. And I just don't see that same attitude
37:21
Speaker 1: with Barry did I do with her brother. I'm going
37:23
Speaker 1: to go through and watch the entire her brother's YouTube
37:28
Speaker 1: channel video of morphew. But yes, you said that there
37:33
Speaker 1: were red flags, Yes, please do. The day I was there,
37:37
Speaker 1: it was three weeks after Mother's Day, and he told
37:40
Speaker 1: me that day that he was up there preparing a
37:43
Speaker 1: job site, that he was getting his workers all put together.
37:48
Speaker 1: There was something that they had that went wrong with
37:50
Speaker 1: a job and they were up there to fix it.
37:52
Speaker 1: He doesn't normally work on Sundays, especially on Mother's Day,
37:56
Speaker 1: but this was a special case where they had to
37:57
Speaker 1: go fix this job or something again. Is the tipline
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