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Trump Popularity Surges... Is Assassination the Deep State's Only Option? w/ Jack Roth · Man in America Podcast

• 0:01
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. As we look ahead to what's gonna happen in November of this year with the election, there's so many unknowns. But one thing that concerns me a lot is actually Trump getting in, and then them retaliating by pulling a JFK on him. And that's a concern.
• 0:25
  So they've had been hinting towards it. Tucker Carlson, which I'll yeah, of a clip we playing during the interview today, where he's he's even saying that, look, this is the next logical step is that they're just gonna off this guy. And I think it's it's a very real concern. Because if you look at a lot of the polls and everything, there's a huge shift towards president Donald J. Trump.
• 0:47
  And I'm just concerned again that they're gonna react, that the deep state will react in a way that's gonna be even more aggressive than all these attempts that they've played out so far. And so joining me today to talk about this is a returning guest, author Jack Roth, who wrote the book Killing Kennedy, who understands the ins and outs of the assassination of presidents. And so we're gonna be talking about what he thinks could potentially happen with, you know, assassination attempts, etcetera. Now one thing I'll tell you is that as you'll see in the interview, I actually just finished the interview and doing the introduction afterwards, is that Jack has a very different opinion on politics and on President Trump than I do. And he probably has a different viewpoint than you do.
• 1:31
  But my job is not in my goal with doing this man in America is not just to bring people on the show that think exactly the same way that I do. I don't want this to be an echo chamber. I wanna have guests that challenge my views, that challenge your views. And because what happens is that let's just say that I'm very, very, very strong Trump, which personally, I am. Actually, I I think that I've I've really like, Trump is my candidate.
• 1:56
  Right? That might change. You know, I've still he has some reckoning with operation warp speed, but that's where I'm at. I I do think that he truly is America First. I think he has his flaws, but that's where I'm at.
• 2:07
  So if I have a guest on though that is say, all of a sudden, I found out as an extreme Biden supporter, which which isn't the case in today's interview, it's like, okay, great. Well, where what are your talking points? Why do you hate President Trump? And I'll listen to this person, and I'll check what they're saying against my own beliefs. And I will emerge on the other side of that in one or two places either A, that person has convinced me otherwise, and maybe, you know, my understanding of things was not what it should be.
• 2:34
  And, hey, wow, okay, like I'm changing my ways. Or most likely what happens is that this person comes with me, they throw their objections at me about why they hate Trump and why they like Biden. And what does it strengthens my conviction. It says, Okay, I now see your reasoning. And I see all the holes in your reasoning.
• 2:51
  And that makes me think that even more so I've come to the right place. So it's it's good for us to be introduced to different perspectives. And I think that we're gonna have to figure out how to do that. We're gonna have to figure out how to get along as Americans. Because if we keep getting pushed into this camp of A or B, we're gonna the endless war will be that of America.
• 3:11
  And so anyway, I'll just I'm giving you that that warning. So there's a Trump trigger warning that if you're someone that can't stand to hear someone that's not a huge fan of Trump, then you might not want to watch the show. And if I see any comments where people are like, this guy isn't like Trump. I hated the interview. I told you, I'm gonna say, look, I warned you, you shouldn't have watched it then.
• 3:30
  But if you want to have a different perspective and have just a really real conversation about how we're gonna make it through, Like, how we're gonna get through this next election? How are we gonna rebuild this this broken system? Then I think that you're gonna be enjoying this interview with author Jack Roth. Jack, it is good to have you back on the show. Thank you so much for joining us today.
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Appreciate it.
• 3:52
  Seth Holehouse: So for folks that aren't familiar with you or haven't seen my interviews with you so far, I'll go ahead and pull up your website. This is one of the main ways that I know you. You wrote the book Killing Kennedy. You, I would say, are an expert at understanding the the the deep state mechanism that that killed Kennedy, and that's continuing to run a lot of the the world in our country. And and we've had some really interesting conversations about that, which has been good.
• 4:20
  But today, I want to talk about 2024. And I want to talk specifically about what we see heading into this election coming from the background that you have of knowing, hey, if if the if a president steps out of line too much, they'll just off him. Right? Like like what we saw with Kennedy. So I'm gonna start by playing there's a there's an interview that Tucker Carlson did with I think it was Adam Carolla.
• 4:50
  And let me pull this up. And he it's about a two minute clip or so where he goes in and talks about a few things that he's seeing. And I think this this can help set the stage for some of our discussions. Let me go and play this for folks now. This is Tucker Carlson.
• 5:04
  This is about from, like, around four months ago, but it's really relevant right now.
• 5:08
  Speaker 3: The CIA is a totally illegitimate criminal organization unless it is following precisely the orders of the elected president. Democrat or Republican, doesn't matter. So he's describing a crime. The people committing that crime in CIA should be in prison for long terms. These that's the great threat to democracy right there.
• 5:30
  And the fact that no one on that set could even see that tells you how deeply corrupted they are. That's terrifying. And it's true, I happen to know. And I could bore you for hours again since I spent my life there and know a lot of people who work there. But the bottom line is there's no oversight at all.
• 5:46
  They were able to participate in the murder of a US President and then hide that fact for sixty years by keeping those documents classified, which they still are. It's unbelievable. And it's happening in front of all of us, and nobody seems to care. But, you know, as the country declines and the democratic institutions weaken, and you wonder how did this happen? Well, that's how it happened right there.
• 6:06
  Speaker 4: What do you think the future holds? Is it
• 6:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 6:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, are they going to let Trump be president?
• 6:19
  Speaker 3: Of course. I mean, look. If, you know, they protested him. They called him names. He won anyway.
• 6:26
  They impeached him twice on ridiculous pretenses. They fabricated a lot about what happened on January 6 in order to impeach him again. It didn't work. He came back, then they indicted him. It didn't work.
• 6:41
  He became more popular. Then they indicted him three more times, and every single time his popularity rose. So if you begin with criticism, then you go to protest, then you go to impeachment, now you go to indictment, and none of them work, what's next? I mean, let you know, graph it out, man. We're speeding toward assassination, obviously.
• 7:02
  And no one will say that, but I don't I don't know how you can't reach that conclusion. You know what I mean? Like, they have decided permanent Washington, both parties have decided that there's something about Trump that's that's so threatening to them, they just can't have him. I mean, they're putting him on trial in March of next year in the j six case, which basically consists of trying to send him to prison for the rest of his life for complaint.
• 7:28
  Seth Holehouse: So coming from your background looking this looking at this, and and it's kind of, you know, right now as we're, you know, with the Iowa caucus happening and we, you know, kind of figuring things out for 2024, whether it's Trump or Vivek or, you know, RFK, there's, I think, some really good, you know, strong candidates. And, yeah, I I can't say there's a whole lot happening on the other side of things. I'm not sure what their plan is. Maybe it's to bring in Michelle. I don't know.
• 7:56
  But it's kind of like love Trump or hate Trump. We can see that the establishment really does not want him. And they're trying everything possible. And so when when Tucker goes into that thinking of, okay, what else is what else is next? And he points towards potential of assassination.
• 8:17
  What are your thoughts? I mean, coming from again, your understanding of this mechanism, and seeing what happened with JFK, bringing that knowledge up to today, where does that leave you?
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: You know, great question. And and there is, you can't, I I feel like there's a lot going on here, and there's a lot of things at play, which there always are. Right? It's never that simple. One of the I took some notes based on that the clip you played.
• 8:48
  And, you know, we talk about threat to democracy. Right? And it it it's I think that ship sailed. I mean, I think that it's correct to say that once Kennedy was taken out sixty years ago, that there was no more democracy in a way you could say that, you know, slowly but surely, it most certainly has eroded. So let's get that let's let's put everything in a certain place.
• 9:11
  So the CIA corrupt, out of control, just do whatever they wanna do. This has been the case since the nineteen fifties. Basically, it's been the case since World War two. And they use the excuse of, well, look at how awful the Nazis were and now look at communists and look at how bad that is. And it's always that fear mechanism.
• 9:34
  Right? And it's a control mechanism. So we're horrified. We think, you know, the little kids are having to go under their desks at you know, during these drills, in the nineteen fifties and late forties. You know, it's like, oh, there are nuclear bombs coming.
• 9:48
  Right? So it scared the heck out of everyone. So you have this propaganda, this control mechanism. There's the people who control things, and that's the CIA and the NSA. And not all not even all elements.
• 10:05
  I'm not talking about the secretary in the CIA that works for, it's not everyone in the CIA. It's people at a certain level that it's need to know. It's the same thing when people ask me about the UFOs and disclosure. It's like only certain people know it's very top secret. It's very black project kind of stuff.
• 10:24
  So these are the people who run things. They've always have, and unless things change drastically, they always will. So you have that part of it. And the question becomes, well, if Trump or RFK become president, will they try to kill them and why? Right?
• 10:41
  Will there just be another assassination? Well, that's hard to say only because times have changed so much. There are other ways. Back then it was the MO. Right?
• 10:50
  Modus operandi. Like, the CIA was just killing everyone. I mean, that's just it was the way it went down. And you had to be real careful. They were they were killing innocent civilians, Mary Pinchot Meyer, you know, women who were civilians who happened to know something, right, or were onto, you know, maybe something that the CIA had done.
• 11:12
  So it's all this. So now you come, we're in the present. And I think it's really, really important to separate a couple things. You have people who are running for president, who have been president, etcetera. We have to look at a couple things, I think, in order to really get a good feel for what we're we're up against right now.
• 11:37
  You will always have the control apparatus trying to prevent anything that's gonna be an upset. Right? I think Kennedy caught them off guard. JFK caught them off guard. So then they had to it was almost like a reactive thing.
• 11:50
  Like, wait a minute. He's not he's not listening to us. He's not playing our game. I think what you have today is a situation where they know who RFK is. They know who Trump is.
• 12:03
  They know the kinds of people they are. And I think they're two very different kind of people. So we have to separate that. And in the case of Trump, you have a situation where, yeah, he's ups always upsetting the apple cart. And that's always gonna be a problem for the status quo because, like, wait a minute.
• 12:21
  Is this guy is he gonna all of a sudden make Russia an ally? Or is he gonna bomb some you know, like, there's all there's all this going on. Like, what is he capable of? The problem with Trump that I have is this. And and yes, he made people think, okay, from the standpoint of this conspiracy and this and that.
• 12:42
  And listen, I'm a conspiracy guy. Okay? The projects I work on all have to do with conspiracies. It's, again, not all conspiracies are created equal, A. And B, people could use that for their own personal gain.
• 13:03
  So in other words, if I were to run for office today, I could say, this was this, the CIA killed Kennedy. This happened. That happened. That happened. Hillary Clinton's a pedophile.
• 13:15
  This, this, this, this, this, and people are eating it up. Okay? That doesn't mean that Trump is somehow going to be like that one guy suggested. Well, that's he's the one who's going to make the that new world order collapse, and there's gonna be a thousand years of, you know, just perfection and everything everyone's gonna be happy. I don't believe that at all because I think you have to look at the personalities of the people.
• 13:40
  I think Trump is doing it for himself. Trump doesn't care about me or you. He doesn't care about anyone. And, you know, he mentioned the trials, in that clip. Those trials are legitimate trials.
• 13:53
  And I say it, I'm from New York. I grew up there. So I've known about the Trump family for a very long time. And people from New York see it as like, well, this is just a continuation of the grift. I mean, they knew they they knew that Trump's father was a, you know, a bad guy and a grifter and a con man.
• 14:13
  And then they see Donald Trump as the same thing because that's what he does. This is just who he is. He's no great savior. Am I saying Joe Biden's a great savior? Absolutely not.
• 14:23
  Because I think he's too part of the system and he's just gonna go along with, I'm gonna do whatever they say, and this is gonna we're gonna have our thing in Israel be the way it is, and we're gonna support this and we're not gonna support that. So it's very safe. Are Joe Biden safe? Trump and RFK are not. RFK, completely different story.
• 14:41
  I think RFK, what he's saying needs to be listened to because I think he knows things. And he, based on his background, his family, he is coming from a place of knowledge. And he's shaked things up. They don't even want him on the ballot. You know, Trump's doing what Trump's doing.
• 15:00
  They won't even let RFK be on any he won't he won't even be on the ballot in 2024. And that's upsetting to a lot of people because it's like a lot of the things he's saying, it might be upsetting, but it's true. So you have him doing that. So when it comes to, will they kill Trump? Would they kill Trump?
• 15:19
  Would they kill? If Trump were to win, I personally don't think it's gonna even get to that point because I think he's gonna be taken out. And when I say taken out, don't mean assassinated, but I think he's gonna be taken out of the picture before that. That somehow one of these trials is gonna lead to now people can think whatever they want of that. Okay?
• 15:39
  But he's not gonna even be eligible. So it's gonna be one of these other Republican candidates. And, of course, RFK is running independently, so he's still there. If RFK because he's very popular with young voters, and if young voters get out and he's actually on the ballot, there's a chance he could win, and they're terrified of that. Because if he wins, he's gonna open up the whole Kennedy thing again.
• 16:03
  He's gonna go to town on the pharmaceuticals. He's gonna go to town on, you know, these these fossil fuel, you know, conglomerates that are destroying our planet because it's all true. And he knows because he was an environmental attorney. They're terrified of him. The status quo is terrified of RFK.
• 16:21
  That's why they bash him. They don't even have him on their shows. I think the reason why Trump is still on the news every night is because he's that perfect distraction. I say this and people get mad at me, but I ask people, just think about it a little bit. Think about the man first.
• 16:37
  Please think about what kind of person this is. Regardless of whether the mainstream media, whatever they're doing, okay, they are giving this guy airtime one way or the other. Whether they're saying bad or good, they're giving him tons of airtime. So what's happening? It's creating this division.
• 16:52
  There's more people that might like him now than like them four years ago. But that doesn't make we gotta be real careful with that. And I know that was a long answer to your question, but do you see how all the nuances kinda come into play here? And it's not just like, not all conspiracies are created equal. Not everything is black and white.
• 17:10
  There's so many little nuances. There's so many little factors involved that it becomes very difficult to see through all of it.
• 17:18
  Seth Holehouse: Which I think is really important, and I appreciate your perspective. I mean, I I had doctor Shiva on recently, and he I won't repeat some of the words he used to describe president Trump. Right? So, you know, people have their different perspectives, and I think it's it's actually really, really important for us to be able to have dialogue about this because this is what they don't want. They don't want to have any open dialogue.
• 17:40
  And so, anyway, I'm glad that I'm glad that you feel comfortable, you know, kind of coming on the show and and not thinking, okay, well, you know, Seth might only want me to talk positively to Trump. It's like, no, I want you to be honest. Right? Like, that's how I learned is I I listened to I mean, there's a lot of people I don't listen to because I know that they're they're intentionally sowing discord, or they're, you know, like a complete deep state agent. You know, I don't tune into Don Lemon to see what he's talking about these days.
• 18:07
  Right? But I appreciate all these different perspectives, especially from intelligent people. And and I can say it's it is one of the points that you did make, which I think is interesting is that, and I've had different conversations with folks about this before, we've kind of brainstormed about this, but that the fact that Trump is so polarizing, how it does help play into a an extreme divide. It's kind of like you either love him or you hate him. And and that's what I'm seeing across so many things in America right now is that they're not even really allowing the space for the middle ground of an RFK.
• 18:41
  They don't want that. Like, this goes back to a lot of the, you know, Edward Bernays and, you know, how to how to bring people into into this world where, you know, he talks about openly in his book propaganda. Right? You know, he's he's he's the grandfather of propaganda, Edward Bernays. But he's a where he talks about you have to be able to reduce everything down into a or b.
• 18:58
  Is it, you know, Coke or Pepsi? Is it Chevy or Ford? Like, that's how you have to really distill everything, and then you have to control both sides of it. And so I'm not saying that Trump is controlled necessarily by the same apparatus. Think that they hate him.
• 19:12
  But it is it's at least interesting to go through this exercise of whether it is Trump or RFK as an example that that is not gonna come in and just toe the line. Like, think that Ron DeSantis, personally, I think that he's someone if you look at his meetings with, like, Paul Ryan and a lot of his financial backers, the fact that George Soros has some nice things to say about him, I'd be I'd be more concerned that he'd be somebody that just kinda slot right into the uni party system. And, you know, it's like, you know, Speaker Johnson, they come in and you have all these these hopes and promises and you realize like, oh, they're just advancing the same uni party goals of, know, throwing all the money towards Ukraine and, you know, you know, basically funding endless wars all over the place. So anyway, it just I I do appreciate your your perspective on this. Hey, folks.
• 20:01
  I've got a quick message for you. So I'm sure you've heard a lot of people, myself included, talking about the importance of buying precious metals, gold and silver. But what's really behind that? Is it just a thing of, hey. Buy this gold, buy this silver.
• 20:15
  Right? Or is there something deeper that we should be looking at? So I recently came across some figures about house prices. So in 1930, the average family home was approximately $4,000. Fast forward to 02/2023, the average family home is just over $400,000.
• 20:32
  So you have to ask yourself, why is that? Is it because things have just gotten more expensive? No. It's actually because the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1930. Right?
• 20:42
  When people talk about the collapse of the dollar or inflation, this is what it means. Now let's take a look at gold. So in 1930, if you wanted to purchase your home in gold, it would take approximately 200 gold coins. So 200 gold coins would purchase the average family home in 1930, about $4,000. Now if you instead of buying a home with that gold or cash, you set those aside.
• 21:07
  If you set aside $4,000 in cash in 1930, it would be worth $4,000 today. What can you buy with $4,000? Can you buy a family home? No. You can't even buy a crappy used car.
• 21:20
  But if you set aside $4,000 worth of gold coins in 1930, which is 200 gold coins, 1 ounce coins, that would be worth approximately $400,000 today. And this is the key lesson about precious metals. It's not about getting rich. It's about putting your money into an asset that protects you against inflation and against the destruction of the currency, which is what happens to all fiat currencies, especially now. We're in the end days of the dollar.
• 21:50
  And so that's why it's important, maybe not all of your money, but a portion of your money, a portion of what you have, I highly recommend putting it into precious metals of gold and silver. Because what it's doing is it's protecting you. This is an asset that has stood the test of time, not just stood the test of time since the nineteen thirties. We're talking about the rise and fall of civilizations. Gold was used to buy houses back in ancient Rome.
• 22:15
  It's still around. It's an asset that will forever have its value. So folks, if you want to do this and you need someone you can trust, there's no person I can recommend more than doctor Kirk Elliott. He's a very good friend of mine. He's a strong Christian patriot, and he's out to really help people to protect their savings and what you've worked for against the destruction of the dollar, not to mention also protecting it against the dangers of a central bank digital currencies.
• 22:39
  So to learn more about this, go to goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900. Again, that's goldwithseth.com or (720) 605-3900. Both those places will allow you to set up a quick appointment where you can talk to a wealth advisor that will help get you started on this path. Again, goldwithseth.com, 7 2 0 6 0 5 3 9 0 zero.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you giving me an opportunity to say these things. And again, I, you know, it's I I feel like we have to continue to look at people on an individual basis. I think the problem is, like you said, they're even considering people are so divided that they're not even considering RFK. It's Trump or nothing or Biden or nothing. It's like either Democrat, Republican, and it's not even they're not even really looking at the people anymore.
• 23:32
  They're not. I feel that way. And, you know, I think we need to get back to that a little bit. No one's perfect. Abraham Lincoln wasn't perfect.
• 23:39
  Teddy Roosevelt wasn't perfect. I mean, some of our greatest presidents were not John Kennedy wasn't perfect as much as I love Kennedy, and I think he was he stood for a lot of amazing things. And I say this to you. I said it once. I said it a couple times.
• 23:52
  He was our last best chance for world peace. He had integrity. He wasn't perfect. He was the womanizer of all womanizers. I mean, there was something psychologically in that guy's mind.
• 24:04
  I mean, you know, listen, He had issues. Right? Every human being has issues. But we have to look at these people and say, look past the party affiliation. You know, Trump was a Democrat forever.
• 24:16
  Trump doesn't care about Democrat, Republican. People know this, who know from a long time ago in New York. He doesn't care. He picked the Republican party because he said they'll vote for me. They'll vote for me because there's a there's different demographics and different segments of those voting groups that he's like, all I have to say is this, this, this, and they will absolutely vote for me.
• 24:37
  He would never have won as a Democrat. But he was a Democrat. He Trump does what he wants to do for him. There are people who love him. I have a hard time with that because it's like, how do you love a guy?
• 24:49
  Let's look at who he is as a person. At some point, we have to start looking at people for being really good people because we need really good people back in our government. We might not have any. And this is because of the sixty years of erosion ever since Kennedy was taken out. The Martin Luther Kings of the world, the RFKs, the Malcolm Xs, like them or not, they were trying to do something and fought for a cause they believed in.
• 25:20
  They truly, sincerely believed in for other people, not just for themselves. And we've lost this. I don't like any of the candidates. The only person I like is RFK because he's honest. He's honest.
• 25:35
  He's being honest. It's hard to come out and say, oh, yeah, the vaccine's a little problematic. The whole COVID thing, a little problematic. It's not what every, it's not everything that people are saying, but there are some problems here because they've had to take back the Johnson and Johnson. They had to pull it off the market because it was causing this.
• 25:54
  They didn't have enough time to develop it and make it safe the way they should have. It was all about money. So it was like, boom, get it out there. And people had adverse reactions to it more than should have. So you take a guy like RFK, that's that courageous, it's a courageous gene.
• 26:12
  Kennedy had it. Robert Kennedy senior had it. Martin Luther King had it. Malcolm X had it. Gandhi had it.
• 26:21
  Wait, what do they all have in common, these people? They were all killed. I mean, seriously, it's it's plainer than, you know, you can't get plainer than that. It's I want someone with integrity and courage to go up there and say, you know what? Democrat or Republican, there are problems.
• 26:38
  Okay, that go way beyond Democrat or Republican. This two party system is so antiquated. Everything about the way we go about our business is so antiquated at this point. And the people up top that hold on to that power. Right?
• 26:54
  They're the ones pulling all the strings. Trump's a distraction. Even Biden's a distraction. The border. This, that, the war in Israel.
• 27:04
  Distraction. Distraction. Distraction. What's happening here? Who's who's gaining the most from this?
• 27:12
  War profiteers, very big corporations. Right? That, you know, RFK comes out. He doesn't care. He's like, everything's run by three companies.
• 27:23
  Do do the research yourself. Follow the dots. Three companies own everything in this country. Three. If that's not an oligarchy, I don't know what is.
• 27:35
  That's a problem because then they dictate everything you see on any news network you watch. Forget about mainstream. Forget it, mainstream media. They disappeared sixty years ago. And that's all I'm trying to say.
• 27:51
  I'm not I'm not I I know what I know. I definitely know what I don't know. And I'm not trying to come on here and say, oh, I know all this stuff. It's common sense. It's, again, going back to that critical thinking thing we talked about last time we had a conversation.
• 28:06
  It's like, think critically, look at people. If someone's doing this, this, this, and this, maybe they're not the best person. Yeah, they might upset, but they're upsetting the apple cart with everyone in their lives, their whole lives. Right? So maybe that there's a little psychosis going on there or there's a little, we talked about this.
• 28:28
  Alan Dulles, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, James Angleton, these guys that were part of the CIA and cold warriors of that time, they were clinically sociopathic, psychotic, egomaniacal. These they were this but these are the people that rule. It's always been this way. This is human nature. This is who we either elect, and most of the times don't elect, they just become they take over.
• 29:01
  Hitler took over, you know, basically for the most part. He was elected, but we know what happened there. So we have to look at this now. We have to say enough of Democrat, Republican. I would love to get rid of both parties.
• 29:16
  Start all over again. Everyone come up with their, what are your talking points? What's your platform? And you might have an environmental party. You might have a conservative old Republican party like the Lincoln project.
• 29:30
  They're like, let's keep these, you know, which is something to be said for that. And you have, like, five or six different parties because this is not working. And look what we're getting. I know people who are terrified no matter who's elected. There are a lot of Americans that are, they're terrified either way.
• 29:53
  Biden, RFK, oh, interesting. Trump, he's elected, honestly, he's not gonna be he will never give up power. Like, I feel that way. He's already proved it once, but I feel he's that kind of egomaniacal kind of personality that's just never gonna give it up. He'll die.
• 30:13
  I mean, he's old already. He's not going to live forever, but imagine his son taking over, one of his sons. Oh, come on. That can't be good for us. Anyway, I go on and on.
• 30:24
  Listen, this is just a conversation, but I do appreciate you allowing me to have this conversation with you.
• 30:30
  Seth Holehouse: No. It's it's good. Me me personally, because I I know I know Eric Trump. I've interviewed him before. I know his wife.
• 30:36
  And and my perspective is I do think that Trump is, in a lot of ways, our best option from different aspects. I think that, you know, going back and looking at the 1776 commission, trying to revive a lot of the, you know, the American values, trying to bring jobs back as a whole. But it's it's really not about that in this particular discussion, because I respect that you're an intelligent person and and you've got a lot of research. And so I I listen when you talk, which is because you're, you know, like, you're a brilliant author, and you've pieced together a lot of information, which is really important. My concern is really it's exact same as what yours is, is that fundamentally, I do think the system is so broken.
• 31:16
  And I think that, like, that there's probably greater risk for mass instability if Trump wins. Not necessarily because I think that he's gonna come in there and start rounding up, you know, Democrats or doing all that, but just because of the contention that's already there in in in our country. And that what we're already seeing is that, you know, I've talked to different people who saying, look, regardless of who wins, either side is gonna say the other person cheated. Right? And then then you're gonna have half the country divide.
• 31:47
  Similar to like what happened in 2020, where there was so much division that I'm just concerned as we head in in the, you know, this twenty twenty four election that, like, say say Trump legitimately wins, that the that the left will not let that go. Like, that they will not, you know, that happen and say, Biden I mean, I can't say I don't really foresee a scenario where Biden could legitimately win. I just don't just look at the poll numbers and everything. It's it's like such a long shot. But even say he does get in, I would probably say there's probably gonna be a lot of evidence of fraud and Trump might protest it.
• 32:21
  I would probably be protesting and covering it. But either way, it's kind of like, Dan, if you do, Dan, if you don't. And that's one of my concerns is just that we're heading into this time where, like, the system is so broken that even the idea is there's there's lot of people that think that, you know, that that Trump is this kind of magical person that's playing this five d chess and that it's all gonna work out. And I don't see that either. Like, I see it as like, the system is so broken that my concern is that it's like the system has to go, but then we don't want civil war.
• 32:57
  We don't want total anarchy. It's like, how do we even get how do we even get through it? And that's that's where I'm that's where I'm worried.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That every 50 year bloodletting. Right? We had the Revolutionary War, then we had the Civil War. That was a bloodletting, and that all built up because of the way our country was founded and the Declaration of independence and the constitution, all there were things they didn't deal with and then boom, the civil war, which was our greatest internal bloodletting.
• 33:25
  Right? So now here we are a hundred and fifty years later or how many years later, more than that. And here we are again. Right? But back then, things were so different that it was it could happen.
• 33:42
  Could it happen now? Or is it just a question of that whatever you wanna call them? The people in control. I I hate to put certain words associated with it. I call them the elite and a cabal, if you will.
• 34:01
  But what are they going to allow? Because they have the technology. People don't realize they're going to come out, they're going to go out with it, even if it's like a semi automatic rifle and they're gonna, okay. You know, we're the new, you know, Paul Reveres. They're gonna be dead in five seconds, five, if not one, with the technology that our military has.
• 34:23
  So so like it's like that guy asked, what can we do? What what is it gonna be like moving forward? And and I I think everyone has a hard time. It's like, wow. I don't know how we can change this.
• 34:35
  You know? I don't know. I tell people, I I wish I could be more positive about this, but I think there's been a problem going on here for, you know, since the better part of a century, really. And we've got to the point now where I don't see a way out of it unless there's a huge bloodletting like we're talking about, which would be horrible for everyone. And that could be 20 times worse than the civil war ever was.
• 35:01
  And or some kind of intervention, whether that's divine or otherwise or extraterrestrial or someone from outside of all of this has to come in and fix it or help us fix it. We have to have the will to say we want better. But we're not gonna accept any of this nonsense. We're not gonna accept the mainstream media anymore. Take a hike.
• 35:22
  No one should be listening to any of those. None of them. I don't care if they're liberal or conservative, Ben. Bye bye. Alright?
• 35:30
  Gone. Because they're being controlled by one of three corporations. So what's that agenda like? Control. Total control and propaganda.
• 35:40
  Mind control. So we have to get rid of that. We, the people. We, the people. You know?
• 35:46
  Not not people who, you know, they're all elitist. Trump, RFK, Biden to an extent. They're all elitists. So they're all they just you know, it's about keeping things. For Trump, it's just he wants I think he wants to rule the world.
• 36:03
  I really do. I don't think there's again, and again, I apologize ahead of time to your viewers, but please take a strong look at this guy as a person because he's up to no good. He should have gone away. He should have he had his four years. They made a lot of money.
• 36:18
  Go away. Go live at Mar A Lago. You're almost you're 70 years old, almost 80. What do you want? You know?
• 36:27
  And it's like, he's not I'm telling you, he's not in into this. He's not in it for providing getting to the truth about everything and letting everyone be, you know, freed from that burden. I don't think that's the case at all. You saw that. You saw that with him and Biden.
• 36:44
  Oh, well, we can't come out with the Kennedy stuff for a little longer. The every president does this. And it's like he said for, Tucker Carlson, just for sixty years, they've covered this up, they're still covering it up. What was the biggest mainstream media? And so the you know, of course, the month of November, I was booked every day.
• 37:03
  You know? It was like, oh, JFK. JFK. 60 Years. That's the mainstream media.
• 37:08
  They make it a big deal. And then it'll go away, which I'm glad we're talking about it now because they let it go away until ten years later, right, until the seventieth anniversary. And what's the nugget that they came up with? The nugget was, oh, well, there were two celebrities, I think, Rob Reiner and someone else that looked over everything and determined, oh, there could be a conspiracy. This was the mainstream media's efforts during that time to figure out what really happened during the Kennedy assassination.
• 37:40
  You don't think that's a major fail? Why are we listening to these people at all? And so and then it's funny then boom, goes away. Right? This the minute December hit, I wasn't on any shows.
• 37:52
  My book didn't matter. I mean, people read it. Hopefully, it does. But, like, you know what I mean? From a mainstream media standpoint, okay.
• 37:58
  See you in ten years. They don't care. They don't care about the truth. No government ever has. And most politicians never have.
• 38:08
  And that's what we need to get into our heads that it's us. Let's have integrity. Let's start with ourselves and say, what what can we do for the best of everyone in this world and make it a better place? And then get rid of that two party system that it's totally it's the division. That's why it's a two party system.
• 38:31
  I don't know, man. It's frustrating.
• 38:33
  Seth Holehouse: It is. It is. I I think one of the the keys with what they do with it is that they they get so many people convinced that that's the way to fix things. If we just get our candidate back in the office, right? So okay, we have two, you know, two terms of red, two terms of blue, two terms of red, two terms of blue, and it's just it's just this dog and pony show that everyone gets caught up in.
• 38:56
  And we think we think, oh, if we just if we can just pull through, we're gonna do we're gonna do x. And they get they get people really focused on that instead of focusing on their own towns, instead of focusing on their own backyards, their own community. You know, so many people get caught up with it. And and like regardless of which side you're on, which candidate you're on, it's like, by now, you should probably be able to look at this pretty, know, subjectively and say that the these elites have a massive control apparatus over the election process. It's like, you know, that they it's it's a selection.
• 39:29
  It's not an election. It's a selection. Maybe there's instances where it can it, you know, it can be overwhelming, it can break down, and and I'm not, you know, turning into someone that says, look, you know, voting is useless and, you know, who cares? Why bother? I'm not that place, but I think we just also have to look at like, what do we actually have control over?
• 39:47
  And I think that we have so little control over what happens in DC. We have so little control over our politicians, even the ones that that we think are really great. I think a lot of them are lying to us. And a lot of them are just saying, okay, hey, let's impeach Biden, and it's all about getting more donations. Right?
• 40:08
  It's all about getting these donations. And so, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm concerned for just where the whole situation is at, because it's like, yeah, this system is very broken. But how do you replace it without walking through that dark alley of civil war and anarchy, and no rule of law, which borders the the the you know, between that and the barbed wire fence of martial law and, you know, and despotism where, you know, where they come in and say, look, now that there's civil war, there has to be order, and people are killing each other for a loaf of bread. So the now the government's gonna have to come in, and we've enlisted all the help of these kind, you know, Chinese Communist Party troops to help us get America back in order. It's like that that, you know, that's the other side of that.
• 40:54
  So, yeah, I don't know. I I I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm optimistic because I'm a man of faith, but I don't know what's happening in this world. I don't have a whole lot of positive ideas that what's gonna play out, especially in 2024. Folks, have a quick message for you.
• 41:10
  Look, the twenty twenty four election is do or die for the globalist and communists that had infiltrated our country and are currently running it. And they either have to win or they're gonna destroy America so nothing is left either way. And if you're the person that's watching this show and following this information, unfortunately, you have the weight on your shoulders of making sure that your family is prepared, especially as we head in to this next year and this next election cycle because unfortunately, I think it's going to get rough. And one of the ways I know they're going to target us is through our food supply. You can see all the food factories burned down, you can see the warnings of coming famines and food shortages and everything like that.
• 41:48
  And food is one of the number one ways totalitarian regimes have always used to control the populations destroy the food supply. So if you don't have at least two, three, four, five, six months worth of stored food, I highly recommend you take that very seriously. Because look, as I mentioned, if you're the person that's watching this, you're the person that carries the burden of making sure your family is prepared. I would recommend at least six months, if not a year of storable food. So if things go haywire, whether it's grid down or terrorist attack from what's coming across the border, that your family can safely stay in place and you can feed your family.
• 42:22
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• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, you know, and I I tend to be positive, ultimately positive. Meaning, I know when I die, I'll be in a better place. But, you know, like, are we really here to learn and suffer? And that could very well be the case.
• 43:10
  If that's the case, not learn and suffer, learn and grow. And how do you grow? Right? You grow through adversity. So we're here to go through this absolutely awful construct known as humanity to learn and grow from.
• 43:24
  And what are you going to do? Are going do the right thing or the wrong thing? And every person has that choice to make. Every person has that choice, whether you're just an average Joe who works and has a wife and a kid and comes home every day, how's he going to be? Is he going be a good husband?
• 43:40
  Is he going to beat his wife? Is he going be a present father or an absent father? Every person has that choice to make. And that goes up to the highest levels. Why are you here?
• 43:50
  You're obviously here because there's a certain element of elitism associated with you because that's the only way you can make it here. But what are you ultimately going to do? And I think that that's where John F. Kennedy was unique. And I think other people were.
• 44:04
  More and more I read about Abraham Lincoln, certainly, and again, not perfect, but he was a shrewd politician. I mean, he knew how to work it. That guy was no dummy. But again, he had to make some serious decisions and ultimately really much did a really good job of making the right moral ones. And you see that with certain people, but it's not often.
• 44:25
  Today, don't see like you say, who's getting the airtime? Who's getting the mainstream airtime? It's all Trump and Biden. You put on the six, 07:00 news, put on any one of those things, and RFK is just dying to get on a show. Like, no one will have them on, very rarely, if at all.
• 44:45
  So he's having to try to figure out how am I even gonna get on the ballot. They make it so difficult. But why don't they I live in Florida, so I know enough about our governor, but I'd like to know more about Nikki Hale. I don't know anything about her. And then, know, it's like, why aren't they talking about, you know, even in like Gavin Newsom, if he takes over for Biden, shouldn't we know a little bit more about him?
• 45:08
  You know, whatever whatever might happen, but it's always Trump, Biden, Trump. And it's like, why are they giving there's a reason why they're giving them all the airtime, and that's because they're it's the divide. Right? It's divisional. It's as perfect.
• 45:27
  People are getting an you can't watch the news, mainstream news, and not get incredibly angry even after twenty minutes one way or the other, or maybe just disgust it altogether. But that's what they want. You know? And and it's it's it's sad. It's really sad.
• 45:49
  I I tell my wife, I was like, you know, don't watch the news. She gets hooked on the mainstream. She's always watching, you know, what's his guy what's his name? Holt? The guy at 06:30.
• 45:59
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, Lester Holt.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's like, it's it's all doom and gloom. A, they'll start with an earthquake or they'll start with start with a famine, then they'll go to the border, they'll rip Biden, then they'll, you know, talk about what's going on in the 18 Trump trials. And and and by the time you're done with it, you're like, oh, wow. Well, I'm in a good mood tonight.
• 46:21
  It's gotta change. The dynamics got to change and we've got to do that. We've got to try to do that. But the only way we can do that is if we put aside our differences, put aside our ideological differences because an ideology isn't one or the other. There's a lot of in between.
• 46:40
  And a lot of times I find myself kind of a moderate. Like, find it's like, well, isn't the best option somewhere in the middle there? Or isn't the option maybe something that neither is really talking? Why aren't they e either of them talking about this option? Because this seems to be the most logical option.
• 46:56
  So we have to create that. I don't know how maybe write a book on it, but that it's almost seems too much of a challenge, actually. I just don't know how I would, where I would start, you know, but I think that's at least we could start by being critical thinkers and get rid of a lot of them. Everyone that's in the news right now, bye bye. That includes, you know, and then what do they focus on too?
• 47:20
  Celebrity, idolization. It's always how much money celebrities and the ones with money make more and more money. Right? So, you know, and I'm not against, I'm in entertainment industry. I make documentaries.
• 47:34
  I'm into the whole thing, But there is a, it's a have and a have not also infrastructure and hierarchy in Hollywood. It's the haves that keep making millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions of dollars. And then the 90% or 95% who are struggling actors and actresses and producer, they can't even get a commercial because the movie star is getting the commercial too. So it's that, but we, you know, Taylor Swift, right? All of a sudden now, And I have absolutely nothing against her.
• 48:06
  I don't like the music. I'm too old for it. But, you know, what? What? I can't turn on the TV without her being on there.
• 48:20
  She could be the greatest person. What are we doing? And again, all part of the distraction. It's it's annoying. It's an we live in a very annoying society at this point.
• 48:31
  So maybe I'm just getting grumpy in my old age, but I'm always annoyed. I'm always like, that's why I listen to my music. I write my screen. I I do my projects. I try to do the best I can.
• 48:43
  I love coming on shows. I love your show. Thank you. You're so gracious for listening to me. But I I love these conversations because I this is to me is an important conversation.
• 48:54
  Seth Holehouse: Well, I think that the key that I see with this is that we have to come together as Americans. If we can't figure out how to do that, like if someone say one of you, my audience is a hardcore Trump fan and they, you know, they watch this this show and they say this guy's an idiot. You know, he's always talking about Trump. It's like, that's it's like, how is it that how am I gonna sit here and have a conversation with you, let alone have a have a conversation with someone that's a Joe Biden supporter? Like, we can't even talk, if we can't even have a conversation, and people react with that that venom that you see, people were, you know, behind their letter that, you know, like, who is this person?
• 49:33
  Maga mom 45. It's like, well, who is this person? Where's your face? Like, why is it that you feel so comfortable, like, puking onto the keyboard with this negativity and tearing people down? Where it's like, we, like, we have to figure out.
• 49:47
  Like, I I mean, it doesn't matter. I I'm a person of of strong principles. I have I have a very strong moral compass. But, you know, at this stage in history, it's like whether you're left or right or black or white or straight or gay, it's like the same small group wants to kill us, and if not kill us, enslave us, or whatever it is they wanna do us. It's not good.
• 50:08
  They don't want to come in give us, you know, Eden again, Eden two point o. And so we have to figure out how to see past our differences and have real conversations about, you know, like, what could be happening in this country if we don't get ourselves together, we don't pour ourselves together and figure out how to bridge these gaps. Like, it's we have to be able to. Because otherwise, you know, it's like united we stand, divided we fall. And I'm I'm very, very concerned that we just become so divided that that we're very close to falling.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I agree. And and I I respect your courage because I think a lot of people wouldn't have me on to talk about this specifically, but you had the courage to have me on knowing how I feel. Certainly, I'm not a far leftist kind of guy either. I mean, I just I'm more of a centrist. I know that it's not that people, that's an excuse.
• 51:03
  That's a that it's not. It's not because we have a society and a society what is a society? It's going let's go back to the earliest civilizations. They're They're a social experiment, if you will, society, social. Right?
• 51:19
  So how's it going to work? Is it going to be one in which people are oppressed? Is it going to be a democracy like the ancient Greeks? They got it together. They knew they were a little better about it.
• 51:30
  Right? They're like, oh, this kind of works. There have been some pretty, pretty good civilizations. What are we going to be? How how do we how how are we gonna make this social experiment work?
• 51:42
  Because that's what it is. If you want to be a lone wolf, be a lone wolf. Right? Have a million semiautomatic guns, live in the wilderness, do what you wanna do, kill anyone who comes close to you. That's what you want.
• 51:57
  It's fine. But if you live in a society and you are part of a society, there are certain rules, moral rules, if you will, that we all need to follow and try to attain and aspire to. A society is only as good as the people in it. And if we're moral and we have moral fiber and we're courageous to do the right thing, that society is going to be killer. And we live in a crap society right now that's falling apart at the seams because we're not, we've failed.
• 52:37
  We can say our politicians have failed all we want. And we can say that this cabal is hard to beat, which is true. But that doesn't, we still have to do the best we can. I go into a grocery store, mean, I don't care who's, I say hi. I say hi to people who put a smile on my face, it actually shocks them.
• 52:56
  I mean, it's really something to think about where it's like, oh my God. And then you know what? You break through a barrier by just being kind, by not thinking about Trump Biden. What's this guy's story? Right?
• 53:11
  How about just human being? Hey, man. How you doing today? It's nice out. Oh, yeah.
• 53:16
  Yeah. It is. They'll respond to it. I get the chills talking about it, man, but it's true. Be kind.
• 53:24
  Go around every day. Just be kind to everyone. And if if politics comes up, either say, I don't think we should talk about that, or if you wanna have a conversation, fine, but I don't wanna argue. Let's just chat. Let's have a discussion like we're doing here, which is again why I appreciate you so much.
• 53:39
  This is great. This is what needs to happen. People need to see me and get confused. Be like, what? What's he doing on that show?
• 53:48
  What what do you mean he doesn't like Trump? Well, well, wait. He kinda well, he doesn't I that's what we gotta start doing. We got to people need to start thinking outside the box. I agree.
• 53:59
  Get out of your box. Get out of your box, man. And just be, try for one day, go out, wake up in the morning, whatever you do, whatever errands you run, you go to work, whatever you do, kill people with kindness. See what happens. I ask people that are so on guard that have chips on their shoulder and I keep at it.
• 54:18
  I'm like, so how is your oh, you know, it's a and I swear after the third nice thing, they completely break down. And they're like, oh, you know, they might not be the happiest person in the world, but they're they're happier and they're kinder. Yeah. You see that in the in the in the, you know, when people, the server industry or whatever, you go and you go into a line to get Chipotle. They are no mood.
• 54:43
  Give them a smile, say something nice, see what happens. That's what we need more of in this world. And if we do that, maybe we'll reach this this paradigm shift where once that shift happens, oh my god, everything starts to change a little, maybe a little by little, maybe a lot. But we I don't have any other answer, that
• 55:10
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. I'm in the same boat. That that's that's ultimately the answer. I mean, and and for people that are, say, praying and saying, God save this nation, like, my perspective is that, like, let's make it a nation that's worth saving. Let's make it a nation that God would look down upon and say, these are moral people by and large, and that they they care for each other.
• 55:30
  They're they're looking past the divide. Like, people are worthy of remaining. Not just the people that say, well, I voted this way or I did this and Right. You know, it's
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because think of the way I God is gonna the source, whatever people wanna call it, God, the source, the one. You're going to be looked, when gone, it's going to be like, you did pretty good. Or, oh, you missed the mark on that. That's where you're judged.
• 55:59
  Like, that's where it's like, oh, I need to work on this. I need to work on that. I didn't do this right. I did that right. Down here is the classroom.
• 56:06
  Down here is the challenge. I strongly believe 100% an afterlife. I don't think it's their business to tinker here. I think it's a question of, you're down here is a challenge. Do the best you can.
• 56:20
  Don't I appreciate you praying to me, but don't. Don't offer thoughts and prayers. Fix it, whether it's the gun thing or anything. You have to act down there in a way that is worthy of moral accomplishment. Do it down here.
• 56:41
  Don't make it an excuse to just say, well, we just have to, God will fix it or no, he's not gonna do anything. He's watching you. So be nicer. Right? You know, be better.
• 56:55
  Be better. Improve yourself. If you're not educated, which they love, the elites, read a book. Learn. Become educated.
• 57:05
  If you don't know how to read and write, learn how to read and write. And once you know how to read, read. Read, just read. And then, you know, better yourself and then try and better yourself as a person. Say, I want I wanna be a better person.
• 57:22
  What am I gonna do today? It's hard. I fail sometimes. It's not like I wake up every I'm not Gandhi. And even Gandhi was flawed.
• 57:31
  But we keep working towards that. And I think a lot of Americans have given up. That's when a society loses itself. That's what happened to the Roman Empire.
• 57:42
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Exactly. Jack, I'm gonna pull your website up once more for folks. It's jackrothauthor.com. I'll put that in the description.
• 57:52
  This this book, Killing Kennedy, I recommend it. It's a it's a great expose kind of going into, as you say, the plot, the cover up, and the consequences. And, Jack, anywhere else people should be following you or keeping on what you're doing?
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: You know, I have we're working on some projects. I have a couple partners. I'm working on some documentary projects and script projects, but we're always going down the rabbit holes. So whatever we work on is always gonna be asking the tough questions. You know, what if this is true?
• 58:24
  So you can go to my author site and everything on there. There's links to everything we're working on. So I would suggest people do that. And of course, the easiest way to get the book besides going to the site, because there's a link to Amazon and Barnes and Noble, You can go straight to Amazon and, you know, just type it in killing Kennedy by Jack Roth. I have to say that because there's another killing Kennedy out there.
• 58:43
  I hate that. But my publisher said, don't worry about it when they they they came up with the title. So but I have to say there's a couple of killing Kennedys. It's the one by me. Yeah, that that would be the best way.
• 58:56
  Seth Holehouse: Great. Well, Jack, thanks for coming on today. It's been a fun conversation with you. And and I hope that honestly, I hope that it it challenged some of the viewers, even if they're just like, hate this guy. It's like, well, why hold on?
• 59:07
  Like, it's okay if people have differing opinions than us. We gotta figure out how to work together. So
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I'm not a bad guy. Exactly. Don't hate me.
• 59:15
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. We'll take it.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: No, man. Thank you.
• 59:19
  Seth Holehouse: It's nice having you on.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Always. Thank you, man. Appreciate it.
• 59:23
  Seth Holehouse: Alright, folks. I hope you enjoyed that interview. So perhaps you saw the recent Obama movie on Netflix called Leave the World Behind. And the movie was really built around the premise of a massive cyber attack that shut down communications, and really set forth these steps, the dominoes fall to lead towards civil war. Now, you know, I've talked a lot about preparedness.
• 59:44
  And it's funny because even though it was a movie that had the Obama's behind it, it was an amazing red pill movie. So if you have friends and family that say, hey, look, you're kind of dumb for prepping so much, or they don't understand. It's actually it does a really good job of showing how vulnerable people are. And so the one of the biggest vulnerabilities that you see in that film, though, is communication and the lack of communication. What happens when your cell phone no longer works, which is a very easy situation to have happen, whether it's a cyber attack or an EMP or any number of things, even natural disasters can cause that.
• 1:00:17
  And so joining us today is Chris Hoare from the Satellite Phone Store to talk through exactly how sat phones work, demystify them. And it's actually they're much more simple and easy than I imagined. So folks, please enjoy this interview with Chris from Satellite Phone Store. So Chris, thank you so much for joining us today. It's great to have you on the show.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: It's a pleasure to be here, mate. What a crazy day today has been.
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  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. So it's interesting. I know that you know, your a lot of your background relates to communications, especially satellite communications. And we recently at my house, my wife and I, we watched leave the world behind, you know, the new Obama, Michelle produced Netflix movie about basically the end of our communication and this massive, you know, cyber attack on America, which spirals into civil war and all the things that, you know, we spend our days worrying about these days. And I've also talked extensively in about preparedness and, you know, EMPs and just the overall, I think, things that we'd be looking at in terms of, fundamentally making ourselves harder to kill.
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  Like, that's my objective is like become really hard for the government to get rid of you. Like, that's the goal for surviving. And so Yeah. With your background in in satellite communication, satellite phones, etcetera. How do you how does that play into the overall scenario of just preparedness?
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  Or how's that how important is that in kind of people's perspective of, okay, what should I be doing?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's very important. And look, I'm sure, you know, most of viewers who or all the viewers of your show understand that you have to be prepared. So, typically, people have the food. They have a life straw. They have, you know, the extra ammunition, and all of those things, generators, and that's great.
• 1:02:09
  You should have all of that. But if you don't have a way to communicate, I mean, you you're really kind of on your own. And the cell towers, you know, and the cell networks constantly under attack like all of the infrastructure is, whether it's from Iran, Russia, China. It doesn't matter. You know, just crazy kids, you know, like in the case in Vegas and the MGM.
• 1:02:30
  But they are vulnerable, and they know, this technology is used around the world. People understand how to hack it and how to take it down. And other things can take it down, like, an EMP, attack, which, as you know, governments are weaponizing this kind of technology, or a solar flare can take out all kinds of satellites and, you know, electronics. But if if the cell towns go down, then, you know, your cell phone has no bars. Everyone understands that.
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  And even on a good day, only 7% of planet Earth is actually covered by cell phone service. So that's not a lot. I mean, we all see these ads on TV for all these dots all over America. Right? But, look, if you're here in Colorado and you're going out to hike, you park your car, walk a few hundred yards off the road, and you have no service.
• 1:03:21
  So satellite phones communicate directly with satellites in the sky, so they do not need those towers, and that's the advantage. That's why they work absolutely anywhere, and they'll work no matter what is going on on the ground. And, of course, in this country, we've seen things like hurricanes and terrorist attacks. You know, when nine eleven happened, a lot of the switching capability in New York was under one of those towers, so that just took out even landlines. You know?
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  But if you're not prepared with independent communications, then you are very much kind of on your own. So, you know, this technology was created back in the late nineties. And back then, these satellite phones were $510,000 or more, and people were paying $20.30 bucks a minute. I mean, it was a toy for the rich. What we've done at sat123.com is make this available to anyone because we don't think that just the rich should be able to survive, you know, a disaster or an emergency.
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  So we've taken away the cost of these phones, which is still a thousand to 2 thousand bucks, and we're offering them for free with activation at sat123.com. So this is like, you know, democratizing emergency communications, and it's absolutely vital to have communications, you know, when you have, when everything else is down or when we're under attack or whatever it is. Because if you can't communicate, then really you just have knowledge that you have with your team or whatever. So I I think SATCOM is vital, you know, in normal times as well as being prepared for an emergency. If if you remember that terrible shooting in Las Vegas, you know, I can't remember which hotel it was, but at that music festival, you know, like, the cell towers were still operating, but they can only handle so many calls at one time.
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  So if they got overloaded, then everyone's call gets rejected. And that's, you know, the last point time that you don't wanna have, you know, communications, but it happens. It happened there. It's happened at other kind of mass casualty events. So, you know, this is life insurance, if you like, that will keep you alive.
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  You know, regular life insurance sends your wife or family a check when you're gone. I prefer to, like, still be here. And so I think that's just another way to look at it.
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  Seth Holehouse: And what about privacy? Because one of my concerns is, let's say there's some type of event where, say, there's an EMP, and then the government steps in with martial law or who knows what. And I find that in my the scenarios I've read about in my own kind of, you know, imaginations that that will be the time that there's this big disaster where they come in to try to enforce and control everything. And so, you know, some of the books I've read, you know, say like, I think it's one second after different books about kind of EMP scenarios, ham radios become a big thing. Right?
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  These little kind of off the grid ways of communicating, which is still trackable. But with satellite phones, are they trackable? Is it something that, you know, you could have some guy in an in an outpost listening to what you're talking about? Or is it because it's going up to the satellite, is it much more difficult for that?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it certainly is more difficult. And look, I'm not an engineer, so I can't guarantee this. But just my experience, which is, fifteen years in this business, you know, it is certainly much more difficult. When it comes to tracking, you know, you and I have cell phones, and everyone has cell phones. Right?
• 1:06:51
  But the cell, cell phone networks track those and record your, movements via GPS. Even when you turn your phone off, the there's still another battery in there that keeps the clock going, and that means that, your microphone and camera can be accessed, by the carrier, by bad actors, by whomever. You know? And once you turn your phone back on, all of the traveling around you did when it was off is then transmitted back to, you know, the carrier. So you are always being tracked with your cell phone.
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  And, look, we all have you know, some people don't understand that. You and I do. And there's really no avoiding it. But a satellite phone, the best you can track someone is within a 50 square mile radius. And I don't know about you, mate, but, you know, I lose my remote control on my couch.
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  You know? So 50 square miles is a huge area, and it really you know, it's really very useless for someone who's trying to hunt you down.
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  Seth Holehouse: I see. And what about the bivy sticks? Because I know I I I like Mike Adams. I know him. I listen to him, and he talks a lot with the Bivy Stix.
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  So what are those?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the Bivy Stix is a little device about the size of a pack of cigarettes. It connects to the satellite network, and then a free app on your Android or iPhone connects to the Bivy Stix. And what that all means is if your cell towers go down, you're still gonna be able to use your regular cell phone to send text or receive text, no matter what. You won't be able to make phone calls, but you'll be still in communication via the Bivy. And the Bivi and the Satphone that we're offering today, they all run on the Iridium network, and this is the same network used by the US government and the US military.
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  So, look, they're not going to take that down. If that goes down, we're in a different, you know, different we have a different problem. But this will work any way you can see the sky. So the Bivi, you turn it on, put it in your pocket, and it'll connect to your phone via Bluetooth, And now you have a backup. And even if you don't have a chip in your phone, it'll still work.
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  So, you know, that's a it's a great device. It is a little cheaper on the monthly plan. I think it starts around $50.60 bucks, goes up to 80 or something. But that includes the device. And you can see the baby at sat123.com as well as the satellite phone.
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  Seth Holehouse: I see. Okay. Okay. And we'll put these links in. So these are the different phones.
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  Now, I see here's Bivy and fair okay. So Faraday bags. Actually, this is my next question was Faraday bags. So this is, you know, one of the other big things is that if there's an EMP, my guess is that a satellite, you know, sat phone is fried just as much as a laptop or the the computers in my RAM truck. Right?
• 1:09:45
  So it's dead. Absolutely. But Faraday bags will protect. Right? So is that the whole idea with these is that you have your sat phones, you keep them in a Faraday bag, which protects it from that EMP blast or a solar flare.
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  And that way, regardless of what happens, they're always gonna be there. Is that right?
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  Speaker 4: That's absolutely correct. And, yeah, you know, Faraday bags are essential. You know, we recommend you get a spare cell phone and put it in the bag, you know, along with your satellite phone or what have you, because, you know, typically, you're going to have your cell phone, and it's, you know, if you're walking around and this happens, a solar flare or whatever it is, that's gonna get fried. But knowing that you have a backup, you know, in your Faraday bag, you know, would basically enable you to then resume communications when it was over.
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  Seth Holehouse: And so the other thing with with with so with sat phones is that is it basically I'm used to, you know, you grow up and you have a cell phone, you have your network. And it used to be that you're on a landline, and there was long distance, and everything was kind of based upon area code or wherever you were. Cell phones, you know, it's countrywide, so I can call someone across the country. So with satellite phones, if let's just say you're over in London, is it the same to calling you in London as it would be calling you in Colorado? Or how's that work?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No. It's a great question. And the answer is yes. There's just one area code for these cell phones, and it's the same price to call anywhere.
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  But look, you can also call regular cell phones or landlines from a cell phone, and vice versa, they can call you. It's not just you have to have another person with another Sat phone to communicate. You know, they can communicate with outgoing or incoming calls and texts, and it's like the same worldwide. So what we do at Sat123.com is we give you a hundred minutes a month, and those minutes can be used to call wherever or whomever. And if you don't use them, you can roll them over.
• 1:11:39
  You know? Because you're not always gonna need to use your Sat phone. But when a disaster happens, right, typically, you're going to have a lot of calls to make, you know, so we don't want you to also get hit with, like, a huge bill just for doing that. If you haven't used it for six months, then you're going to have, like, six hundred minutes, you know, and that's quite substantial. And we don't cut you off regardless.
• 1:11:59
  You know? So we understand that if you're using a sat phone, there's probably a very good reason.
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  Seth Holehouse: Now the one question I have is that, obviously, right now, you know, say you have say there's there's a hundred thousand sat, you know, phone users that are on your network or right? And maybe they get used periodically when hiking or whatnot. But if something happens, let's just say there's a grid down scenario or something, Would you would your satellites be able to handle all of those phones or a large amount of them all at once being activated? Because that that would be I guess that the majority of them would be used, like almost instantly in the event of something like that. So would that overload the system?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: I I think the answer to that overall and and, look, there are exceptions to everything, but is no. Because with an Iridium phone or a Bivi, like, you are typically, gonna be have access to three satellites. Right? So, and these satellites were built to take a lot more volume. When Motorola put this company together and launched, you know, over 70 satellites, I think that they thought this was gonna be the new cell phone network.
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  And so, you know, they built it, you know, to be able to handle, you know, a substantial amount of traffic. But, yeah, there's very they only make, like, a hundred thousand or or so of these phones a year, so the whereas they make a million iPhones a day, right, or whatever it is. So there's never been that kind of volume, and we've never heard of someone not being able to make a call because of overload. And it again, look. I mean, it it could happen, I suppose, in theory, maybe, but I think it's highly unlikely given the the low number of phones total and the huge number of satellites that they have.
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  Seth Holehouse: I see. That makes sense. So how does the pricing work? So I'll I'll pull up the website here. We've got Michigan Sat 123 Dot Com.
• 1:13:51
  Easy easy website. How's how's this work?
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  Speaker 4: So here we have the IMRSAT phone, which is the other network, and we have a bunch on this page. But the phone is free with activation. So you're looking at normally, a phone that would cost a thousand bucks or more is gonna be free. To get that, you sign up for a fifteen month plan where you're paying $95.99 a month. And so your a hundred minutes of text, you get to use, and if you don't use them, you can roll them over.
• 1:14:21
  You can also get US phone numbers, for this. So if you give it to your friends or colleagues, they can just call what looks like a regular cell phone number, and then that will translate to your cell phone.
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  Seth Holehouse: I see. So it looks like the the most the the packages change based upon how many minutes you want per month. And are there okay. And here you have the Bivvies, which you mentioned. So those are unlimited unlimited satellite texting, $65 a month or 12.
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  Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, what you have at the top of the page there is one, two, three phones or more. And the price actually goes down. You get the same amount of minutes. But you if you have buy two phones, you're paying slightly less for each contract per month, and you're, you know, sharing the minutes.
• 1:15:11
  So if you and your wife have both have a phone and one of you uses a hundred ninety minutes, the other one uses zero, you're not gonna get an extra bill. But we you know, we're always encouraging people to think about obviously, you think about yourself, but think about your loved ones, your family, your wife, your husband, your kids, you know, and your colleagues. Because in a disaster, you know, if you're not involved, that's great. But if you have your one of your kids who's out in Florida and that was just hit by a hurricane, not knowing if they're okay is, like, extremely painful. Right?
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  We've all been through this. We don't know if someone's okay. So it's giving you peace of mind to be able to reach out, or they can reach out to you saying, hey. I'm okay. You know, I'll get back in touch when everything's calmed down.
• 1:15:57
  But if they don't have a sat phone and they're in that kind of situation, you know, you're not gonna be able to reach them and vice versa. You know? And and look. I mean, how much money do we spend a month on things? Like, I I worked out the other day.
• 1:16:10
  Right? My coffee per day is, like, nearly $10 because I have two of them. Over thirty days, that's you know, that adds up. Right? It's way more than the cost of these cell satphone contracts, And this will save your life, and this can get you out of a jam.
• 1:16:25
  Seth Holehouse: It also makes sense to say, have a SAT phone for yourself, and maybe you have two kids at college, get them a baby stick. Right? Just in case.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yeah.
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  Seth Holehouse: Okay. Okay. And this is interesting because, you know, I've so I don't have a sat phone, but I'm gonna actually I'm gonna go sign up for one after this interview because I've listened to Mike Adams talk about them all the time. Go sat 123 sat 123. And he's a huge proponent for sat phones.
• 1:16:51
  And I've thought about it, but I guess in my mind, I thought, oh, they're probably a couple thousand dollars. It's probably expensive. And but, you know, thinking about, okay, so a hundred bucks a month, it's like, well, if I canceled a couple streaming subscriptions and moved some things around, it's not easy to cut it's not difficult to come up with that. But I like how that your the minutes just kind of roll over. So I probably would rarely use it, if not ever.
• 1:17:15
  And so say something happens ten months from now, I've got a thousand minutes saved up. It makes a makes a big difference.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No. You're absolutely right. It's like, look. Hopefully, you'll never need it, but if you're in a situation where you do and you didn't buy it, like, you're gonna like, we've all been there, you know, with that kind of regret, And these things tend to sell out too.
• 1:17:35
  When we we saw the beginning of the Ukraine Russia Conflict, you know, we sold out within a week of everything, and we had to wait, you know, to get more phones in. Because, again, they just don't make that many of them. We're one of the biggest dealers in in The United States, but there's only so many that we get allocated a year. You know? So if things start to get bad, you're gonna have a lot of trouble finding a phone at any price.
• 1:17:58
  So being prepared is being prepared in advance, not after the fact.
• 1:18:03
  Seth Holehouse: You know, I bet if you could have worked out a deal with Barack Obama and put a SAT one two three ad at the end of the movie, at the end of the leave the world behind, you guys would have just been, like, just pumping out phone contracts.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No. Look. I mean, he does a favor making that movie. You know?
• 1:18:19
  But the reality is is, like, what they showed in that movie is clearly very possible. And one of the biggest problems that the people the characters had in the movie was they had no connection to the outside world. So it's like they didn't know what was going on. They didn't know where to go, what to do, you know, because they had no way of reaching out. And the cell towers are gonna be the first thing that get taken out if somebody is aggressively trying to take us down as a country.
• 1:18:44
  So you wanna make sure that you are not like those characters. They're just wandering, hoping, praying, you know, because you're in the dark, and it looked pretty horrifying at the end there. Of course, we don't know what happened afterwards, but I think nothing good. I don't wanna spoil it for anyone.
• 1:18:59
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Okay. And final question, maybe the most important is that how did you get access to the White House Press Briefing Room? I'm still trying to figure that one out. Was that Obama again?
• 1:19:09
  Did he hook hook that up with a phone deal?
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: Can't use any names, but I have friends in low places. What can I say?
• 1:19:17
  Seth Holehouse: Great. Well, Chris, thank you. It's been it's been a pleasure speaking with you. Folks that are watching sat one two three, that's the website, s a t one two three, where you can sign up, and that's it. Tell the men in America
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: Can I get text phone number there?
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  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Yeah. Please. Of course.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: I do apologize. It's (941) 955-1020. That's (941) 955-1020. And we're open twenty four hours. Call us anytime.
• 1:19:43
  We have US based customer service, so you'll get all the answers to your need. If you don't know what plan to get or what device to get, give us a call. Go to Sat123.com. We have a lot of videos there to help you make a decision.
• 1:19:55
  Seth Holehouse: Great. Well, Chris, thanks again for coming on. It's been real nice speaking with you, and you've now gained a new customer. I'm going there right now to get my phone.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: Job done. Thanks so much, mate. I appreciate Absolutely.