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Exploring Equine Balance with Shea Stewart: Mitochondria, Quantum Biology, and Equine Well-being | Ep 21 Equine Assisted World · Equine Assisted World with Rupert Isaacson

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  Rupert Isaacson: Welcome to Equine Assisted World.
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  I'm your host, Rupert Isaacson.
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  New York Times bestselling author of the Horse Boy.
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  Founder of New Trails Learning Systems and long ride home.com.
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  You can find details of all our programs and shows on Rupert isaacson.com.
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  Here on Equine Assisted World.
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  We look at the cutting edge and the best practices currently being developed and,
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  established in the equine assisted field.
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  This can be psychological, this can be neuropsych, this can be
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  physical, this can be all of the conditions that human beings have.
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  These lovely equines, these beautiful horses that we work with, help us with.
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  Thank you for being part of the adventure and we hope you enjoy today's show
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  Welcome back to Equine Assisted World.
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  I've got Shay Stewart.
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  Shay Stewart if you listened to her podcast that I did with her over
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  on Live Free, Ride Free, that's our other podcast, you'll know that
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  she's somebody who knows an awful lot about things that we often don't know
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  about, like fascia and mitochondria.
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  And, the liquid intelligence of the body, which is a thing.
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  And, the way light operates in the body in cells.
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  Not as a woo woo thing, but as a biological thing.
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  And how this affects well being.
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  In all sorts of ways, and she's also a horse, a horse woman, and very
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  much in demand as a craniosacral practitioner with horses.
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  Some of you may know that she's been on Warwick Schiller's
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  podcast Journey On, et cetera.
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  And I'm always fascinated to talk to to talk to Shea, because I always
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  learn it, you know, all the stuff I haven't yet caught up on, it's good.
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  But I wanted her on this show because if you are a practitioner of anything
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  equine assisted, you've basically got three things you're always
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  having to bear in mind, four really.
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  One is the well being of your clients and your horses.
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  That's sort of an equal first together.
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  You can't separate one from the other, right?
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  Because if your horse has got no well being, how are you going to transmit well
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  being through your horse to a person?
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  But also, if we don't know some things about the human well being,
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  we might inadvertently fall into some holes, which we don't want to.
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  Then, of course, there is the well being of yourself as the, as the
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  practitioner, because again, if you've got no well being, unlikely that you'll
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  be able to transmit that to others, no matter how many legs they have.
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  And then, of course, So that there was two, there's now three, and then
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  the last one, of course, is that the, the, the families, particularly when
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  you're dealing with children or young, young people, when they go home,
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  what are you sending them home with?
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  Because one of the, one of the real limitations, I think,
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  about equine assisted stuff is that it's equine assisted.
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  When people leave that space They're not taking a horse back to their living
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  room in their apartment building.
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  So how can they keep good things going?
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  That might be related to what the horse has given them or more general things.
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  Shea Stewart is somebody who knows that whole universe.
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  And so if you're an equine assisted practitioner or somebody who Part X,
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  because you are a service user, i.
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  e.
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  a patient, if you like, or both, many of us are both.
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  Shay Stewart is somebody you want to know about and listen to, and you
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  want to go to her website and all of that stuff will be available here.
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  So Shay, welcome back and thank you for coming.
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  Shea Stewart: Hi, Rupert.
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  Thank you so much for having me back.
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  I always.
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  Love our conversations and I'm happy to be here.
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  Rupert Isaacson: All right, so I very much advise listeners to get a notebook out
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  because there are going to be some things that Shay talks about that you might be
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  aware of and you might not be aware of and that you perhaps need to be aware
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  of or be helpful if you're aware of and also things that perhaps you have heard
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  of but you haven't heard well explained like mitochondria, for example, important
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  thing, word we hear, what does it mean?
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  But let's start first with Shay, you're a craniosacral therapist first and foremost,
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  that's where it sort of began with you.
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  What is that?
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  How is that helpful to horses and humans?
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  And how has that led you on to these other areas?
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  Shea Stewart: Well so I've been receiving craniosacral since.
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  1987 or 88 and it was
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  Rupert Isaacson: after the dinosaurs
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  Shea Stewart: shortly after that.
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  Yeah, not too long after that.
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  And this is before, you know,
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  Rupert Isaacson: amazing for 3000 years old.
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  It must be that mitochondria stuff
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  Shea Stewart: because I focus on my mitochondrial health.
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  Rupert Isaacson: All right.
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  Okay.
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  So you started as a patient as somebody needing it.
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  Why?
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  Yes,
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  Shea Stewart: I, I got it.
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  And this was before massages and chiropractic and all
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  that was really part of
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  Rupert Isaacson: it.
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  Yeah.
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  Shea Stewart: And my sister was a professional ballet dancer and they
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  always received, you know, interesting things with their body work.
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  And she turned me on to this woman who did craniosacral.
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  And I went there because I had migraines.
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  And what I didn't realize was that I was, that was, those were just
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  a symptom of a, a dysregulated system and she, she helped all that.
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  And I was so drawn to that work that I ended up learning how to do it myself.
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  And so I took some cranial classes and then I decided to take an
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  advanced two year biodynamic course.
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  And one thing I don't know if people are aware of is there are
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  two approaches to craniosacral.
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  There's biomechanical and there's biodynamic
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  Rupert Isaacson: and
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  Shea Stewart: the both of them work.
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  So the grandfather of craniosacral is named William Gardner Sutherland.
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  He was a osteopath student who saw that the skull bones were meant to
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  breathe like gills of a fish, all the different plates in the skull.
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  And so he spent his life studying that, and he developed
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  both craniosacral modalities.
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  Incorporate his five principles of the, of the craniosacral system, which is
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  Rupert Isaacson: what are those?
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  Yeah.
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  Shea Stewart: The, the flow of cerebral spinal fluid the core link, meaning
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  that the, the dura is free floating while it has, does have some attachments
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  and it, it moves independently with
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  Rupert Isaacson: the
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  Shea Stewart: spinal cord.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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  Shea Stewart: So the five principles of the craniosacral.
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  mechanism is what he calls them.
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  There's the cerebral spinal fluid flow, the Dora, the core link, the the sutures,
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  the movement of the bones with it.
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  They're all joined together by sutures.
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  So they, they all have a motion.
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  So let's, The nervous system, how it acts independently of
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  of this and
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  he, so it basically is a, is a, an approach that works on the
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  nervous system through the flow of the cerebral spinal fluid and the
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  movement of the bones and the tissues.
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  So there's a rhythm that that these go and then later on in his.
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  His life, he found that there when he was called to work on a dying man, he
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  felt that there was a presence in the room that moved through the person.
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  And this, when he, he, he called this, he was a, he was a Christian mystic.
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  He called this the breath of life, which we now call primary respiration.
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  So, he had his 1st, 5 principles, and then he had 4 more after that, which was,
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  which start with primary respiration.
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  The mutual field between practitioner and client the relational
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  field is what he called it.
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  And the biomechanical approach their entry point into the cranial sacral
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  system is through the cranial rhythmic impulse, which is if you look at the
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  body as being like a ocean that's contained within skin, there's different.
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  There's different waves of of movement.
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  There's the surface waves, which are just like the ocean, which are a little faster.
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  And then, as you go deeper there, the, the motions get slower.
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  So, the biomechanical approach, their entry point into the system is, is
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  the faster surface cranial rhythmic impulse, which is not really fast.
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  It's.
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  It's a impulse at 6 to 12 minutes per cycle, which is this
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  actually ironically is the same.
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  I don't know if it's ironic.
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  It's the same wave as the geometric pulse of the earth.
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  And makes sense.
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  Yeah.
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  And that 6 minute cycle is also the, the timing of the coherent breath.
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  So it's, it's a slow rhythm and then the bow dynamic approach, they, we
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  focus on William Garner Sutherland's later principles, which the entry
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  point is primary respiration, which is the deep long tide, the
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  stabilizing rhythm of, of the body.
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  So it's like.
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  It's like the slow rhythm that stabilizes and supports life.
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  CRI may come up in a session, but we, we focus more on the slower rhythms.
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  So, that's mainly the difference.
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  But with this, we also look at the embryo as our archetype.
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  So, when we're just a single cell post fertilized egg, we, the, the fluids.
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  In the cell know our body is going to be and these fluids have memory.
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  It's like a blueprint of us and and this fluid has the memory of us.
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  So we access this the fluid body and the person or the client, whatever the horse
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  accessing what we call the inner embryo, which is the, the origins of our health.
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  And the fluid body, this is what got me into quantum biology is, so in
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  the biodynamic world, we, we focus on the fluid body and the rhythm,
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  rhythm of primary respiration and quantum biology, it actually actually
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  explains what the fluid body is.
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  From a scientific point of view,
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  Rupert Isaacson: please go on.
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  What is quantum biology?
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  I'm actually googling it as I ask you this.
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  Shea Stewart: Oh, you are.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah,
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  because it sounds intriguing.
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  Shea Stewart: So quantum biology is basically the study of.
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  Mitochondrial health through light, water, magnetism.
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  Those are the basic principles of quantum biology.
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  It's the intersection of quantum physics and biology.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Right.
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  What I've got here is quantum biology is the field of study that investigates
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  processes in living organisms that cannot be accurately described
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  by the classical laws of physics.
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  This means that quantum theory has to be applied to understand these processes.
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  Would you say that's fair or
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  Shea Stewart: not?
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  Really?
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  I mean, they can be explained.
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  There are people that are way smarter in the field than I am because
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  it's, it's something that I've just been studying the last year.
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  But it is a lot to do with the way our mitochondria function.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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  Shea Stewart: Protons, electrons.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Right.
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  It's interesting too.
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  I've got.
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  It seems to go back to Schrodinger, Schrodinger, who a lot of people
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  know about, know the name, but they don't know who he was.
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  He was the guy who did the experiment with light.
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  Is light a photon, i.
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  e.
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  a fixed thing, or is it a wave?
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  And he found out that it was both because that argument
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  had been raging for centuries.
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  And he, he, he proved in an experiment that you could trap a light wave in a very
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  Narrow thing that was visible to the naked eye, and when you didn't look at it, it
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  was a wave, and when you looked at it, or when something measured it, it was a
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  particle, and that therefore superposition things could be different things at
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  once, like when you toss a coin, and it's spinning in the air before it comes
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  down, it's both heads and tails, right?
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  It's, But both in potential and then it's only when it hits the
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  ground and you observe it that you see which one it is Very similar.
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  So i'm i'm interested now.
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  Let's let's ground this two things one.
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  Cranial sacral work when my son rowan was at his most severe I cranial sacral
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  work and he couldn't stand Even the gentlest attentions of the therapist
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  because it seemed to overwhelm him.
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  So, we waited till, we would wait till Rona fallen asleep.
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  And then the cranial sacral person would.
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  Work on him very gently while he slept in that deep sleep.
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  So, and then we'd take him home and we do this about 11 o'clock at night.
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  Shows what you'll do as an autism parent, you know, drive an hour in to
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  the town, hour out, you know, to do this.
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  There always was a difference in him afterwards.
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  And then the, the second thing is those people who know our work with
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  movement method know that one of the things we do is sacral rocking.
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  That enhances not just oxytocin, feeling good and connected and
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  communicative, but also your cerebral spinal fluid flow, which of course
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  is good in all sorts of ways.
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  So, I, but I had not until I met you run into terms like quantum biology
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  or living a circadian lifestyle or quantum lifestyle as things that could
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  be beneficial for horses and humans.
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  And I'm going to get to explain those.
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  And then yeah, the, the experiences that.
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  We've had with the work that we do, particularly with autism and
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  communication seems always to be enhanced by sacral rocking.
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  So, and then one of the first neuroscientists to endorse horseboy
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  method and movement method was a guy called Robert Navio, Dr.
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  Robert Navio, who was the head of the mitochondrial Institute
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  in.
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  University of California, San Diego, so this brings us to this word mitochondria,
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  which the mighty chondria mighty anaconda Brain could go other ways there But this
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  is a word that gets battered around like cerebral spinal fluid one can sort of
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  picture it There's a fluid in the spine.
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  It goes up and down It has a bunch of different functions that we could
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  go into but it's a biological thing.
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  It's there We know it's there, you know, you can open someone's spine and there
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  it is you can open up their brain and there it is Mitochondria is something
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  which I think many people hear the word, don't really know what it means,
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  realize that it's important because more and more people seem to talk about it,
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  and there are whole university chairs based around it, and it seems to have
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  something to do with neuroscience.
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  So, here's a question for you.
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  You fell into this whole mitochondrial thing through your adventure with cerebral
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  spinal fluid in a way, in this primary Respiration that you're talking about.
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  What is mitochondria and why should horsey people trying to
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  help other people know about it?
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  Shea Stewart: Well,
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  mitochondrial health is greatly not looked at in our healthcare system,
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  yet I believe it's one of the most important aspects of our biology.
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  Mitochondrial health and our fluid body, I believe are the most important aspects.
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  So mitochondria are actually, they're organelles.
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  That live inside each cell.
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  So every cell in our body has thousands to millions of mitochondria or
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  yeah, mitochondria inside of them.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Little organs doing stuff, telling the, telling
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  the, telling the cell to do stuff.
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  Shea Stewart: Yep, they, they are known as the, as the energy makers,
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  like the, what's the, I can't think of the term people use with it.
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  Basically, they make ATP, which is an energy, but that's not all they do.
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  They they make CO2, they make water, they make infrared light.
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  They make oxygen and they need special things in order to do this.
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  And, and the most important thing that they, they make is water.
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  It's a deuterium depleted water, but mitochondria need
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  electrons in order to do this.
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  And they also need light frequencies in order to function properly.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Just quickly, you mentioned something called ATP, and I
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  went, ooh, what's that when it's at home?
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  So just for listeners, it's chemical energy produced by the
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  mitochondria is, well, chemical energy produced by the mitochondria
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  is stored in a small molecule.
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  Called
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  Aden phosphate, a TP.
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  Okay.
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  So it's like the battery story.
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  Okay.
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  Yep.
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  Got it.
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  Shea Stewart: Exactly.
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  A little semiconductor, a little battery.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm
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  . Shea Stewart: So they,
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  Rupert Isaacson: okay, so the mitochondria are, are these organelles
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  that make the cell function to do.
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  All these good things for our well being.
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  We need CO2 for things.
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  We need oxygen for things.
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  Infrared light.
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  What do we need infrared light for?
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  Shea Stewart: Well, to make heat.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Ah.
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  Shea Stewart: Is one of the things.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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  Shea Stewart: That's what infrared light is, is heat.
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  Rupert Isaacson: So, thermoregulation, mitochondria.
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  Shea Stewart: Yep.
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  And that heat.
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  You're getting
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  Rupert Isaacson: too hot, too cold.
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  Shea Stewart: Yep, and that heat that we make can actually
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  structure our internal water.
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  So, if you think about the water in our body it, it surrounds everything.
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  It surrounds every protein, every cell.
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  It lines our blood vessels.
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  It lines our arteries.
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  Glycocalyx is a, is a form of water that, that lines the arteries and blood vessels.
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  It's in our cerebral spinal fluid.
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  It's in our blood, our blood plasma.
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  Water is everywhere.
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  And this water is basically the means of, of communication.
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  Of every biological function in our body, and this water needs to be
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  in a structured state, which means that it's in a coherent state.
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  So if you think about, if you want to go the more quantum and get down
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  to what a water molecule is, oxygen and two hydrogens, and, and these.
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  Always form an angle.
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  Bond angle is what it's called.
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  And when it's at a certain angle, can form geometric patterns, geometric clusters,
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  and they, they structure together.
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  It's like a, it's like a symphony playing together.
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  What happens if this water is not structured, it becomes
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  what they call bulk water.
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  And bulk water is basically inflammation in the body.
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  And every cell in our body needs a negative charge that this water provides.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Why do we need a negative charge?
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  Shea Stewart: Because we run on a DC electrical current.
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  Because of the the electrical current that's needed in our
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  bodies in order to function
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  Rupert Isaacson: the spark of life
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  Shea Stewart: Yeah,
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  Rupert Isaacson: okay.
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  So Someone's listening to this going.
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  All right.
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  Well, you know, I'm shoveling shit right now listening to Rue and Shay talk about
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  this mitochondria thing and you know, and I've got you know, the kids who are coming
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  or I've got you know a group coming for their equine assisted thing in 15 minutes.
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  Why should I care for my horse?
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  Well, about this mitochondrial thing.
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  And, and, okay, I can be aware of it.
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  But what is, what is my awareness of it?
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  Allow me to do, to be better for my horse and for my human.
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  Shea Stewart: I think it's, I think it's understanding our biology
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  better so we can be optimal.
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  Okay.
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  Because when we, when our mitochondria is, is optimal, then we, we can think better.
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  We have we have a better ability to be creative and, and not so dogmatic on
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  things, you know, we become more open.
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  We, the movement that you talked about, that's one of the ways we also get
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  electrons that help our mitochondria.
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  We just become more.
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  We're just healthier all around our mitochondria can funk can
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  actually just we don't notice a dysfunction in our mitochondria until
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  it's dysfunctioning at about 70%.
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  So once we, we notice something wrong, like my back pain
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  that I've been dealing with.
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  That's when, when, if you.
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  Boil everything down in the quantum world.
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  We believe that all diseases, all health issues come down to a mitochondrial
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  dysfunction and our modern lifestyle is dysfunctioning it at a high rate of speed.
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  Because of the light environment, we live in the tech use the indoor life seeking.
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  We're always seeking comfort.
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  None of these do any are beneficial to our mitochondrial health
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  and the same with our animals.
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  They're like canary in the coal mines when it comes to mitochondrial
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  dysfunction or, or the things that are dysfunctioning our mitochondria,
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  they're even more sensitive to it.
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  And some people are more sensitive than others.
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  Women are more sensitive because we need that energy to create life.
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  So that, in a sense, makes us more sensitive to things that aren't
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  natural to our, our biology.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Okay, so what can I do as an equine assisted practitioner
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  to optimise the mitochondrial health first of my horses?
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  Because that's who I'm going to be working through to these humans that come through.
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  Then we'll get to the humans.
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  How can I optimise my mitochond How do I get quantum horses?
• 25:52
  Shea Stewart: Quantum horses.
• 25:53
  Rupert Isaacson: Loads more horses.
• 25:54
  That's what we all do.
• 25:57
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 25:58
  So
• 26:01
  things that the things in our life that mitochondria love are
• 26:08
  native electromagnetic frequencies.
• 26:12
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 26:13
  Why?
• 26:15
  Shea Stewart: Because that's what
• 26:17
  Rupert Isaacson: that's plugging into the earth.
• 26:18
  That's plugging into it.
• 26:20
  The
• 26:22
  Shea Stewart: only electromagnetic frequency that our biology understands
• 26:28
  is that from the sun and that from the earth, the Schumann resonance,
• 26:34
  the geometric magnetic pulse, the light frequencies from the sun.
• 26:41
  This is connecting to nature.
• 26:45
  So, our horses, they also rely on a circadian rhythm.
• 26:52
  Circadian rhythm is not just, oh, I'm up during the day and I'm asleep at night.
• 26:58
  It's every, every single cell in our body relies on a circadian rhythm.
• 27:05
  The cells in our kidneys, the cells in our lungs, the cells in our liver, and
• 27:12
  when, when there's a dysfunction, a lot of times it's because the circadian rhythm
• 27:17
  of that actual body part can be off.
• 27:22
  And usually it's a body part that has more mitochondria, so we have
• 27:27
  more mitochondria and our heart and our brain and women and the eggs.
• 27:36
  So a lot of our dysfunctions.
• 27:40
  Or, you know, cardiovascular diseases stuff things like
• 27:44
  dementia and things like that.
• 27:47
  So, for horses,
• 27:52
  what we can do from a quantum perspective to keep our healthy, our horses healthy
• 28:00
  and living in a proper circadian lifestyle would be outside and sunrise.
• 28:09
  No fly masks on.
• 28:12
  Ideally,
• 28:17
  the sun should also touch their fur.
• 28:21
  So fly sheet or blankets, you know, some horses need the warmth, but it
• 28:28
  is nice for them to get full spectrum sun at some point morning is good.
• 28:36
  Solar noon is good.
• 28:42
  No barn lights at night.
• 28:44
  Anytime a light is turned on after the sun goes down, it's
• 28:49
  a, it's a melatonin disruptor.
• 28:54
  It basically stops the production of melatonin.
• 28:58
  It stops the release of melatonin that's been producing all day from
• 29:05
  serotonin.
• 29:08
  So when we have a light on in the barn, not only does that disrupt
• 29:15
  that the processes that the body's going through in order to shut down,
• 29:20
  to go to sleep, to heal and repair.
• 29:23
  But a lot of these lights also have that flicker that we talked about.
• 29:27
  It's, it's not something that you can see visibly.
• 29:33
  But all led lights have this and the flicker and led light is different
• 29:40
  from the flicker from the old incandescent bulbs because it actually
• 29:45
  turns on and then all the way off, all the way on, all the way off.
• 29:52
  And it happens at like 150 times a second.
• 29:55
  So we don't see it, but you can, you can actually put your, if you have
• 30:00
  an iPhone, you can put it on slow motion mode and video your lights.
• 30:05
  And see if they have flicker and what this flicker and I've seen it in barns
• 30:11
  where I can feel it now because I'm so.
• 30:15
  You know, that's the thing is once you become aware of this stuff, you sense
• 30:19
  it sooner and I went to a barn and The horse that I was working on was I could
• 30:29
  tell he was stressed at the time He was at the time rack He kept stretching
• 30:34
  and yawning and stretching and yawning, but not like a good stretch or yawn.
• 30:39
  It just seems stressed And the lights were I could feel the
• 30:46
  stress coming from the light.
• 30:47
  So I videoed them and the flicker was just insane.
• 30:51
  So I had her turn the barn lights out and it was daylight.
• 30:54
  You don't need lights in the barn during the day when there's.
• 30:58
  Light coming in and horse immediately relaxed all that behavior stopped.
• 31:07
  He took a deep breath and was like, okay,
• 31:11
  Rupert Isaacson: it's very interesting what you say.
• 31:12
  Because with autism, one of the no negative sensory triggers that Dr.
• 31:17
  Temple Grandin first turned me on to when I was a young autism.
• 31:20
  Dad was fluorescent strip lights and and led lights.
• 31:24
  And to get rid of them in the home environment as much as possible.
• 31:27
  And we did and it definitely worked.
• 31:29
  For the same reasons that you talked about.
• 31:31
  And I noticed, you know, frequently when I'm going into therapy barns
• 31:35
  and they've got these massive fluorescent strip lights on.
• 31:38
  It's like, dude, this is not gonna, this is not gonna work well.
• 31:42
  Shea Stewart: But
• 31:42
  Rupert Isaacson: devil's advocate.
• 31:44
  We are in Northern England, or Norway, or Upper Peninsula Michigan, and it's
• 31:52
  getting dark at, you know, two o'clock in the afternoon or whatever, and the
• 31:56
  kids need to come for their sessions.
• 31:58
  You've got to have lights on.
• 31:59
  And so, there's going to be a whole evening session that
• 32:04
  you, you just can't avoid.
• 32:06
  So, What do we do to make sure that that isn't detrimental?
• 32:11
  Shea Stewart: Well, there are companies that are making circadian
• 32:15
  friendly non flicker light bulbs.
• 32:19
  There's a whole Are they
• 32:21
  Rupert Isaacson: doing them on the big enough scale that you could
• 32:24
  light an arena with them or a barn?
• 32:26
  Shea Stewart: I know there was somebody in my applied quantum biology course
• 32:31
  I took who was designing lights.
• 32:33
  He was in the UK, I think.
• 32:36
  And he worked for a light designing company.
• 32:39
  I could ask him if, if they
• 32:41
  Rupert Isaacson: But what would your, what would your Let's say, you know,
• 32:44
  I'm a stress barn owner and I haven't got time to contact this dude in England
• 32:48
  for something he might or might not have access to and that I might or might not
• 32:52
  be able to access because I'm in Canada.
• 32:55
  I don't know.
• 32:56
  What can I do, given that it's a non ideal situation?
• 33:01
  What can I do to mitigate those effects as best I can?
• 33:05
  Shea Stewart: Well,
• 33:08
  Rupert Isaacson: in those dark, that dark time of the year.
• 33:10
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 33:11
  If you, if you can buy better bulbs, look for some places you
• 33:16
  can still buy incandescent bulbs, incandescent bulbs are better because.
• 33:24
  They have the infrared in them.
• 33:26
  That's why they stopped making them because of the energy production,
• 33:32
  the energy coming from them.
• 33:35
  So now we have LED bulbs that are like one spectrum of blue, 450
• 33:43
  nanometers or something of blue.
• 33:46
  And our, our biology does not understand that spectrum of light because we,
• 33:53
  our biology does not understand.
• 33:57
  Anything that's isolate any of those light spectrums that are isolated because
• 34:02
  the sun is like Almost 50 percent red and infrared, the light that comes from
• 34:08
  the sun and so when we take a bulb, that's got an isolated spectrum of blue.
• 34:16
  The body doesn't understand that.
• 34:18
  So things 1 of the main things that happen.
• 34:21
  There's lots of studies on PubMed about this, but the, the 1st thing
• 34:26
  that happens is our glucose spikes.
• 34:29
  And our bodies are, are very intelligent, intelligent, and it spikes
• 34:34
  as a protection against that light.
• 34:38
  So when we're in the barn at night and we're under led lights, this, these
• 34:43
  are things that are just happening.
• 34:45
  It happens with horses too, cause they're, they're mammals and
• 34:50
  they have mitochondria as well.
• 34:57
  So
• 35:01
  one, one thing that I did in my house before I started replacing all the bulbs
• 35:05
  is I bought that red vinyl tape you use to put on like a broken tail light.
• 35:13
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 35:15
  Shea Stewart: And I covered, I put that tape over all the little
• 35:19
  nightlights, the refrigerator lights anything that I could take.
• 35:24
  So you end up
• 35:24
  Rupert Isaacson: with a bunch of red light.
• 35:26
  Shea Stewart: Yes.
• 35:28
  So technically you could do that in a barn if you need the lights, even
• 35:33
  if you don't want to do all of them, you could do some of them or you
• 35:41
  Rupert Isaacson: need some bright light so you can see
• 35:42
  Shea Stewart: how
• 35:44
  Rupert Isaacson: to do some things.
• 35:44
  Yeah,
• 35:45
  Shea Stewart: the other thing you could do is you could add red lights.
• 35:49
  So, barn, barn aisles, arenas, those are going to be LED or
• 35:55
  fluorescent lights, which is that.
• 35:59
  That isolated spectrum of blue that's causing they're actually, they've
• 36:04
  actually traced diabetes to this and, and you can, you can look up the studies,
• 36:13
  but it's hard because we, you know,
• 36:21
  since the invention of lights, we completely changed our lifestyle.
• 36:24
  It's like, okay, we can be up all night now, but we're in, but our biology
• 36:29
  is, has not cut up, caught up to that.
• 36:32
  So.
• 36:33
  When what you could do in a barn or an arena is incorporate some red lights
• 36:40
  just to help diffuse that isolated blue.
• 36:44
  You're not going to fix the flicker with that, though.
• 36:47
  You have to get special flicker free bulbs.
• 36:54
  Rupert Isaacson: How easy is to get?
• 36:57
  Shea Stewart: There's a I could I could send you a list of
• 37:03
  companies that sell them.
• 37:04
  Rupert Isaacson: OK, so if I'm a barn owner, should I be
• 37:06
  looking at flicker free bulbs?
• 37:08
  Shea Stewart: Yeah,
• 37:08
  Rupert Isaacson: and taping some stuff red.
• 37:11
  Shea Stewart: Yeah,
• 37:11
  Rupert Isaacson: and having some red lights, which will maybe give
• 37:14
  me a warmer light anyway in my barn.
• 37:16
  I mean, one of the things that's often difficult in those
• 37:19
  barns, it can feel very cold.
• 37:21
  And then the weather outside is cold and then the light is cold.
• 37:23
  Yeah.
• 37:27
  Shea Stewart: If you can find incandescent bulbs, those are the best.
• 37:32
  I can still find those in the U.
• 37:34
  S.
• 37:35
  I know some countries are completely banned, but
• 37:39
  Rupert Isaacson: Something which I found helpful was because When I'm doing,
• 37:44
  say, an equine assisted session in the evening, I don't actually need very bright
• 37:52
  lights for that because I'm not jumping.
• 37:54
  I'm not needing to see my way exactly into a fence, you know,
• 37:59
  where dull light, you know, could be dangerous or something like that.
• 38:02
  So I, in some cases, even worked to candlelight.
• 38:09
  And that sort of thing, which in a, in an arena you can, speaking a small arena,
• 38:13
  you really can, or even switching off half the lights and only having part
• 38:18
  of the lights on and switching them on.
• 38:20
  What I started experimenting with sometimes was switching them on down
• 38:24
  the end of the arena, but working a little bit in the less lip bit of
• 38:29
  the arena so that we weren't fully.
• 38:33
  I've sort of played around with these things and it's, it's, it's, I would say
• 38:37
  I've observed good effects with the kids.
• 38:41
  What I didn't necessarily look to was the effects with the horses because, you know,
• 38:48
  my understanding of equine well being.
• 38:50
  What I've grown up with is so much about fitness and muscle building
• 38:53
  and brain development and keeping them interested, you know, and
• 38:57
  obviously giving them a naturalistic lifestyle as much as possible.
• 39:01
  Not everybody can and I'm aware of this.
• 39:04
  I don't want to shame people who can't, like we've got a really
• 39:07
  good horse boy and movement method practice in the middle of Dublin.
• 39:11
  And they serve, it's a really important service.
• 39:15
  They're serving urban kids who would never get access to this normally.
• 39:19
  You think, Oh, Ireland, everyone's got horses, but
• 39:21
  actually Dublin's anywhere else.
• 39:23
  And they don't have the facilities.
• 39:25
  They do what they can.
• 39:29
  Inventive, and they also send their horses out regularly and rotate them
• 39:33
  out to the country for long breaks in fields for a few weeks and then bring.
• 39:37
  So, you know, they're doing their equine well being as, you know,
• 39:40
  as well as they possibly can.
• 39:41
  But with the best will in the world, we know that not everybody can
• 39:45
  have the state of Montana as you know, their backyard sort of thing.
• 39:49
  We all
• 39:49
  Shea Stewart: can't have a thousand acres for our horses to run free on.
• 39:52
  Indeed.
• 39:53
  Indeed.
• 39:53
  Yeah, you do the best you can.
• 39:55
  Do the best you can.
• 39:56
  I had that too of my barn that I had in California.
• 40:01
  Rupert Isaacson: So, so how did you get around that when
• 40:03
  you were running your barn?
• 40:05
  Shea Stewart: When, when they when they were, they were in
• 40:10
  small, lived in small paddocks.
• 40:13
  So, I just got them out as much as I could.
• 40:16
  I made their turnouts interesting.
• 40:19
  You know, with like a new branch for them to
• 40:22
  Rupert Isaacson: like, how did you
• 40:26
  Shea Stewart: play with, or, you know, barrels, you know, to go
• 40:29
  around, you know, things to keep their brain interest and engaged.
• 40:38
  I made sure they're living space.
• 40:40
  They were next to horses.
• 40:41
  They liked, you know, it's no fun living in such a tight space
• 40:46
  with somebody you don't like.
• 40:49
  So.
• 40:50
  I'm
• 40:53
  Rupert Isaacson: sure a lot of people are laughing.
• 40:57
  Shea Stewart: I made sure
• 40:59
  Rupert Isaacson: it's in our life.
• 41:00
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 41:03
  I also made sure they always had something, you know, to chew on some
• 41:08
  hay or twigs or, you know, whatever.
• 41:12
  But yeah, we do the best we can with.
• 41:15
  With what we have and there are things we can't always control how
• 41:20
  much space we have and but we can control the lighting environment.
• 41:25
  And, and the other non native EMFs, we can control that.
• 41:30
  Rupert Isaacson: What's an EMF?
• 41:32
  Shea Stewart: An EMF is an electromagnetic field.
• 41:35
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 41:36
  Shea Stewart: And it's basically can be thought of as a light
• 41:42
  wave, like a non visible.
• 41:44
  Rupert Isaacson: Hmm.
• 41:45
  Shea Stewart: Because we have, you know, there's visible light waves
• 41:47
  and there's non visible light waves.
• 41:53
  The other thing about the lighting is lighting at night from a
• 42:00
  quantum health perspective should come from lower areas, not above.
• 42:08
  So, if you want to think about mimicking the sun,
• 42:13
  it's solar noon, the sun is, you know, above our heads, every
• 42:19
  color of the rainbow is out, it's solar noon from the sun.
• 42:24
  And each different light spectrum tells our body to do different things.
• 42:31
  When we're inside an artificial light, so the sun, the color is always changing
• 42:39
  as it, as it goes across the sky.
• 42:42
  It comes up, it's, when it's rising, it's red, infrared,
• 42:46
  it's a real rich blend of red.
• 42:49
  And then when it hits about 10 degrees, that's when UVA comes out and UVA tells
• 42:59
  our we have aromatic amino acids that live in the back of our eyes and there's
• 43:05
  a super chiasmotic nucleus that goes from our eye to our hypothalamus and
• 43:11
  the, these different spectrums tell.
• 43:14
  Tell these things to do different processes.
• 43:17
  So UVA rise tells the tryptophan, the, which is an aromatic amino acid
• 43:24
  to turn, to catalyze into serotonin, which then at night that catalyzes
• 43:29
  into melatonin when darkness comes.
• 43:32
  So if you think about natural light, it's doing all kinds of things.
• 43:37
  Artificial light is one spectrum and it's a spectrum we don't understand.
• 43:44
  And if you have it on in the barn all the time, I mean, luckily, most
• 43:49
  barns have, do get natural light that comes in and kind of diffuses it.
• 43:57
  But if you, if you think about
• 44:00
  light coming from up above at night, it's not, it's another
• 44:05
  strike against what's natural.
• 44:08
  So it should be a light that's below our eye levels.
• 44:11
  That's it.
• 44:12
  That's a more diffused amber tone.
• 44:17
  Rupert Isaacson: I'm picturing a riding arena with wall sconces with
• 44:22
  being thrown up like you might see in a beautiful equestrian display.
• 44:27
  At some big equestrian show like Cavalia that you've paid money to go see.
• 44:32
  And it's interesting how the lights in those sorts of shows, of course, are
• 44:37
  always very warm and are very seldom.
• 44:42
  Bright top down.
• 44:44
  Yeah, it was to create the magical feel, you know, or when you go to a romantic
• 44:48
  restaurant, you know, you don't want this Intimidation like lighting up all
• 44:53
  the pores on your face in like every little blemish you've got you want.
• 44:56
  Shea Stewart: Yeah
• 44:57
  Rupert Isaacson: candlelight to kind of you know
• 44:58
  Shea Stewart: Yeah,
• 44:59
  Rupert Isaacson: the best in you And it's so interesting that the therapeutic
• 45:03
  environments that we work in are not lit like that and I'm thinking back
• 45:10
  to when I was a boy although in our stable yard, yeah, we had electricity.
• 45:14
  There was no, like, big light that came on when you went out into
• 45:17
  the stable yard, like, the sort of stuff that's just so ubiquitous now.
• 45:23
  I remember when those came in, you know, and we put one in, and it was awful.
• 45:29
  Awful.
• 45:30
  And people got very excited.
• 45:31
  Oh, yes, great.
• 45:32
  Because we can really see what we're doing at night now.
• 45:34
  And I remember thinking, Oh, yeah, but it's so harsh.
• 45:37
  It hurts.
• 45:38
  Yeah, all that we went out with torches, or we went out with
• 45:42
  actually kerosene lanterns.
• 45:44
  Yeah.
• 45:45
  But of course, there's how to, you know, the problem of, well, what if you
• 45:48
  dropped it and set fire to your plan?
• 45:49
  There were some limitations to those.
• 45:52
  But nonetheless, things felt more human.
• 45:56
  Okay, so
• 46:00
  if this type of lighting, for example, Oh, just one, one last
• 46:03
  thing about people keeping their horses in an ideal situations.
• 46:07
  I was just doing a, this is a tip for people.
• 46:09
  If, if you're in this position, I saw something really good in Rotterdam.
• 46:13
  I was just in very urban situation in the Netherlands a few weeks ago.
• 46:18
  And These guys, they've got no, no grazing at all.
• 46:22
  They've got a covered arena, and then they've got an area of maybe 20
• 46:30
  feet around it, which they fenced off that the horses can wander around in.
• 46:35
  And that's it.
• 46:39
  But the horses have free access to wander in and out, which is interesting.
• 46:45
  And one of the first things they do in the morning, so the horses stand on sort
• 46:49
  of wood chippings, but the wood chippings often get churned up and a bit muddy.
• 46:53
  And so there's dry areas, wet areas, this sort of thing.
• 46:56
  And the first thing which the person coming in to sort of do the horses in
• 47:01
  the morning did was go cut a bunch of willow because of course it's, it's The
• 47:06
  Netherlands so everything is even in even urban there's water and willows kind of
• 47:11
  everywhere young ones and just cut cut cut cut cut cut and then Chuck that in
• 47:14
  for the horses to graze on nibble on browse on and of course as we know willow
• 47:19
  is also medicinal It's also deals with pain deals with it and several times in
• 47:25
  the day They were going out and cutting stuff like this and sort of throwing
• 47:27
  it in there to enrich the environment And then the other thing which we were
• 47:32
  doing was a lot of what we call crazy time, which is just flat out encouraged
• 47:38
  interactive play with the horses, effectively free jumping in groups but
• 47:44
  changing the obstacles every two minutes to keep the horses like, Ooh, a new thing.
• 47:48
  Ooh, you know, and and then making these into the therapy sessions
• 47:52
  themselves so that instead of trying to think oh shit I've got to do the
• 47:54
  crazy time before the kids come.
• 47:56
  It's like no no No We're gonna do that with with the kids and keep
• 47:59
  them safe while we do it and teach them horsemanship and teach them math
• 48:02
  because we're gonna Measure out the distances and the heights and da da
• 48:06
  da and then we're gonna do physics.
• 48:07
  We're gonna do speed by getting distance over time You know, timing them.
• 48:12
  We know how many meters it is down that long side.
• 48:14
  How fast are they going?
• 48:15
  How fast can you run down that thing?
• 48:17
  And so we found ways to incorporate this kind of well
• 48:21
  being into this non ideal area.
• 48:24
  I just wanted to throw that in there because, you know, a lot of
• 48:27
  us are dealing with less than ideal.
• 48:30
  Shea Stewart: I also, I know some, somebody who feeds in
• 48:35
  the winter feeds her horse.
• 48:37
  Just whatever is around in nature.
• 48:42
  So that's the other thing is we, we end up feeding them hays that are imported.
• 48:49
  Sometimes you have to, but I would encourage people to feed try to get
• 48:54
  grass hays that are grown as local as possible or as close to your
• 49:00
  latitude as possible because the, our mitochondria looks at food.
• 49:07
  As an electron, a light source.
• 49:10
  Rupert Isaacson: Hmm.
• 49:11
  Shea Stewart: So in, in the quantum world, eating out of season
• 49:19
  and the non local food is, can actually be considered a toxin.
• 49:24
  So like if you live in Germany, you should not be eating a pineapple
• 49:34
  was imported from Costa Rica.
• 49:37
  In December,
• 49:41
  because you're, you're sending your body the wrong light signaling and it's the
• 49:47
  same with horses, try to get them food.
• 49:51
  That's as local as.
• 49:53
  Seasonal is possible.
• 49:56
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 49:57
  It's, it's interesting.
• 49:58
  We go out, we we're in a big apple growing area in this bit of
• 50:01
  Germany that we're in right now.
• 50:03
  A lot of the apples go un harvested and a lot of them in
• 50:07
  our area are heirloom there.
• 50:11
  Old, old varieties.
• 50:12
  Mm-hmm . And so a lot, a lot of the orchards aren't even tended anymore.
• 50:16
  Oh.
• 50:17
  And so one of the things I do with the kids that come in the
• 50:21
  winter is we go and we collect apples and pears that have fallen.
• 50:25
  And fill up great wheelbarrows with them.
• 50:27
  And it's cool, because we get to see that the wild boar have also
• 50:29
  been there before us, and they've been, you know, chewing it up.
• 50:32
  So you learn a lot.
• 50:33
  And then we have throwing matches to throw them into the areas where the horses are.
• 50:39
  You can throw them, you can bounce one off the roof.
• 50:41
  You can, and I've got horses that you can bounce them off
• 50:44
  the horse and they don't care.
• 50:45
  It's like, can you get one off Hidalgo's butt, you know?
• 50:47
  And they love it, of course.
• 50:49
  And, but of course, what we're doing is giving the horses brows that they
• 50:53
  would normally have access to that.
• 50:55
  Maybe they might not because I don't happen to own that, that orchard.
• 50:58
  I can't tell you that.
• 51:00
  And one can have a lot of fun with this kind of thing.
• 51:02
  It's interesting that you talk about things as a source of light and
• 51:05
  electrical energy, food, and so on.
• 51:07
  I think this is something that's really good to draw people's attention to.
• 51:12
  That everything does come down to light at the end of the day.
• 51:16
  And that's a really hard thing to get your head around, is that, that's not
• 51:18
  light, that's an apple, or that's not light, that's a doughnut, you know or
• 51:22
  that's a thing that's dense and solid and absorbs light, or reflects light off
• 51:29
  it perhaps, but it's not itself light.
• 51:31
  But of course, everything kind of is light.
• 51:34
  Can you explain to layman's terms why sort of everything is light?
• 51:42
  In a way that doesn't make them just think, oh, this is weird.
• 51:45
  Shea Stewart: Yeah well, everything, you can look at it as a frequency.
• 51:50
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 51:52
  Everything has an electrical frequency, that is true.
• 51:54
  You can plug a battery into a potato, for example.
• 51:57
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, exactly.
• 51:59
  Rupert Isaacson: Right.
• 52:00
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 52:01
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 52:02
  Shea Stewart: Even, yeah.
• 52:06
  Rupert Isaacson: So what you're saying is some frequencies are
• 52:08
  good for you and some are not.
• 52:10
  Shea Stewart: Correct.
• 52:11
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 52:13
  Shea Stewart: And our, and this is something
• 52:15
  This is just not, not something that's, it's, it's been studied a lot.
• 52:23
  Robert O.
• 52:24
  Becker, John Ott, there's all kinds of scientists that have studied this.
• 52:31
  Unfortunately, it's not been adapted into our healthcare system because To
• 52:38
  improve mitochondrial function, there's not really a profit and, and things for
• 52:44
  us to do, like get outside, ditch your sunglasses, turn the Wi Fi off at night,
• 52:52
  you know, all those things are free.
• 52:54
  These are free things we can do to improve mitochondrial function.
• 52:59
  And there, and we look
• 53:05
  at mitochondria can, they can be looked at as our sixth sense, because they.
• 53:12
  They sense that the electromagnetic fields around us, they sense the lights and they,
• 53:19
  they do things with that information.
• 53:22
  It's all information that, that our bodies receiving to.
• 53:28
  To do special things, and one of the most important things that our body
• 53:33
  does with that information is make internal water, our internal fluid
• 53:38
  body, and then there are things that prevent our mitochondria from doing
• 53:44
  that, and those are the non native EMS,
• 53:48
  Rupert Isaacson: the electromagnetic fields.
• 53:51
  Shea Stewart: The ones that are not, are man made are, are causing
• 53:55
  mitochondrial damage and preventing our fluid body, preventing our
• 54:00
  mitochondria from making the water it needs, the water that our cells need.
• 54:09
  Our internal water is, is actually more important than the water we drink.
• 54:14
  And it's like, you can look at our fluid body or our internal water as.
• 54:20
  As a part of our anatomy, it's an anatomical structure, so to speak,
• 54:26
  that gets highly ignored, yet it's very important to, to have that inner
• 54:32
  hydration for everything to be optimal.
• 54:40
  Rupert Isaacson: Why might we want to turn off the Wi Fi at night?
• 54:46
  Shea Stewart: Well, so, like I said earlier, our, the only electromagnetic
• 54:53
  field that our body recognizes is comes from the sun and the earth and
• 55:00
  there's a spectrum like the Schumann resonance is, is anywhere from 7.
• 55:06
  83 to 20 hertz, you know, fluctuates and our alpha wave of our brain is 7.
• 55:14
  83 hertz.
• 55:17
  And so we, you know, those, that's a resonance that we're supposed
• 55:22
  to be part of the geomagnetic pulse, the mayor wave is, is 0.
• 55:28
  1 Hertz, which is that six.
• 55:31
  Cycles per minute thing that I talked about earlier, the, the motion of our
• 55:38
  cranial rhythmic impulse, the motion that our, our cerebral spinal fluid, the,
• 55:43
  the, the measurement of that wave going up down our spine is 7 cycles a minute.
• 55:50
  Rupert Isaacson: By the way, for listeners, it's called a Schumann
• 55:53
  Resonance, not because the German composer Schumann wrote his beautiful music to
• 56:00
  this resonance, because it sounds like it ought to be, oh, a resonance by Schumann.
• 56:03
  That sounds very nice.
• 56:04
  It's actually after Otto, another German, Otto Schumann or Wiener Fried
• 56:12
  Schumann who first studied the theoretical aspects of the global resonance as the
• 56:18
  earth ionosphere wave guide system known today as the Schumann res resonance.
• 56:24
  And in 1952 to 1954, Schumann together with Aman Konig attempted
• 56:31
  to measure the resident frequencies.
• 56:33
  But it was not until measurements were made by some called.
• 56:36
  Beiser and Wagner in 1960 to 1962, the adequate analysis techniques were
• 56:42
  available to extract the resonance information from the background
• 56:44
  noise since Then there has been an increasing interest in Schumann
• 56:49
  resonances in a variety of fields.
• 56:51
  So yeah, it's, this is, this goes back to early 20th century science.
• 56:55
  It's not something new and it's not invented by hippies like Rupert.
• 57:00
  Yeah.
• 57:02
  Or sadly, by the composer Schumann.
• 57:06
  But what's interesting is what you're talking about.
• 57:07
  They're slowing things down effectively.
• 57:09
  That Something like 5G, it's fast, right?
• 57:14
  It's, that's the whole point.
• 57:16
  It's
• 57:16
  Shea Stewart: supposed to be.
• 57:17
  Yeah.
• 57:17
  Lemme Yeah, I, I was just looking for my building biology notes.
• 57:21
  I don't know if I can find them this quick, but basically
• 57:25
  wifi is like what, 2.5
• 57:29
  to five gigahertz.
• 57:31
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 57:31
  Shea Stewart: So a Hertz.
• 57:33
  Is one vibration
• 57:39
  per second?
• 57:41
  Is it one vibration per second or per minute?
• 57:45
  That's what I wanted.
• 57:46
  A minute
• 57:46
  Rupert Isaacson: sounds very slow.
• 57:47
  I'm looking it up with you.
• 57:48
  So it's quite good listeners.
• 57:50
  We're not pretending to be gurus here.
• 57:52
  Yeah, I mean.
• 57:53
  We need to consult our notes too.
• 57:55
  So, what, how fast, what speed?
• 58:00
  Is
• 58:07
  one cycle per second
• 58:10
  Shea Stewart: per second, one vibration per second.
• 58:13
  So a gigahertz.
• 58:16
  And this is why I wanted to look at my building biology notes because I
• 58:20
  have a oh, I know where I have it.
• 58:25
  It's like 1 billion vibrations per second.
• 58:29
  Rupert Isaacson: That's quite fast.
• 58:30
  Yeah.
• 58:30
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 58:32
  So
• 58:35
  if you think about that vibration on our biology,
• 58:39
  Rupert Isaacson: I see.
• 58:40
  Shea Stewart: When we're the fastest the fastest one we're
• 58:44
  used to is maybe up to 100 Hertz,
• 58:50
  Rupert Isaacson: right?
• 58:50
  Shea Stewart: Probably probably but the
• 58:54
  Rupert Isaacson: earth and the Sun it's roughly in the six to seven range, right?
• 58:59
  And
• 59:01
  Yeah, the alpha brainwaves state which is the sort of meditative
• 59:04
  state yes Eight to twelve.
• 59:08
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, about seven.
• 59:09
  It's the same as a human resonant.
• 59:11
  Rupert Isaacson: Right.
• 59:11
  Okay.
• 59:12
  And then the beta brainwave, which is our sort of cheerful.
• 59:17
  All right.
• 59:17
  All right, Shay.
• 59:18
  Cup of tea, cup of tea show.
• 59:19
  How do you like your tea?
• 59:20
  Milk, no sugar.
• 59:21
  Lovely jubbly.
• 59:22
  That sort of functional, cheerful going through life.
• 59:27
  That's our seems to be our fastest functional one between 12
• 59:33
  and 35 hertz.
• 59:34
  It's a big range, but it can also.
• 59:38
  Be it's your your attention's on but there can be anxiety involved
• 59:41
  with that one alpha brainwave very relaxed Passive attention.
• 59:46
  That's 8 to 12 theta brainwave.
• 59:49
  Do you put meditation 4 to 8 hertz?
• 59:52
  Now we're going down below
• 59:54
  Shea Stewart: Yeah
• 59:55
  Rupert Isaacson: The Schumann resonance, deeply relaxed, inwardly
• 59:58
  focused, and then the delta, which is
• 1:00:01
  Shea Stewart: 0.
• 1:00:02
  5
• 1:00:03
  Rupert Isaacson: to 4, which is rapid eye movement sleep, right?
• 1:00:06
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, and that, that 0.
• 1:00:07
  1 Hertz, which is the same motion of our cerebral spinal fluid.
• 1:00:13
  Right,
• 1:00:13
  Rupert Isaacson: okay.
• 1:00:14
  Shea Stewart: So the, yeah, those are, those are the frequencies.
• 1:00:17
  Now
• 1:00:18
  Rupert Isaacson: talk to us about cerebral spinal fluid and frequencies,
• 1:00:23
  because I know cerebral spinal fluid
• 1:00:29
  a couple of angles.
• 1:00:31
  One is that the more of it you have, isosacral rocking is a good thing
• 1:00:35
  for that because it makes you produce more of it, your stem cells that
• 1:00:40
  replace the dead cells of your heart and brain, which are all neurons, get
• 1:00:47
  replaced more efficiently, a bit like a factory conveyor belt operating better.
• 1:00:53
  So if you've got more cerebral spinal fluid, that's just all happening better.
• 1:00:57
  The cerebral spinal fluid is also a crash.
• 1:01:00
  Sort of not helmet, but a shock absorber between your skull and your brain.
• 1:01:04
  That's quite useful for those of us that like to fall off horses, and, Also, it
• 1:01:09
  can, it makes your spine more elastic, so it's to do with your biological age,
• 1:01:13
  you know, you, you, you feel appear and actually sort of are biologically
• 1:01:17
  younger when you have more of it.
• 1:01:19
  And of course, within that, there's, there's also the theory
• 1:01:21
  that around the pineal gland, you were talking about melatonin being
• 1:01:26
  whether serotonin, the pineal gland, among other things, you know.
• 1:01:30
  changes our serotonin into melatonin.
• 1:01:33
  Sera gets us up in the morning.
• 1:01:35
  Mel puts us to bed at night.
• 1:01:36
  That's very nice.
• 1:01:37
  But if there's enough cerebral spinal fluid pressing around the pineal gland
• 1:01:42
  it can cause that melatonin to go through another molecular shift and
• 1:01:46
  become dimethyltryptamine through an electrical charge, through friction of
• 1:01:51
  little crystals being rubbed together in the pineal gland, pushed by that.
• 1:01:54
  Fluid from the outside and of course dimethyltryptamine DMT is strong
• 1:01:58
  hallucinogen and makes us see God and angels and things That's all rather nice
• 1:02:06
  There's much more to cerebral spinal fluid than that and liquid intelligence
• 1:02:11
  these frequencies To slow things down or to speed things up if the
• 1:02:18
  cerebral spinal fluid is one of the intelligent liquids in our bodies
• 1:02:24
  helping mitochondria Do its thing.
• 1:02:28
  Well, how does a slow frequency Beneficially affect of light or whatever
• 1:02:37
  Back to the lighting in the barn or the 5G that might be floating about How
• 1:02:43
  does slowing that down, so changing the lighting, switching off the Wi Fi at
• 1:02:47
  night Help the cerebral spinal fluid do its thing better for the mitochondria
• 1:02:52
  And how does speeding it up not help?
• 1:03:00
  Shea Stewart: So
• 1:03:00
  Rupert Isaacson: in verse, please Shakespearean verse,
• 1:03:04
  Shea Stewart: I'll try my best to do that.
• 1:03:06
  Rupert Isaacson: There was a young man from Australia, sorry,
• 1:03:10
  Shea Stewart: if you break it down even more quantum and go and
• 1:03:15
  think about the water in our body,
• 1:03:21
  water has been proven now that it carries information, it holds, it stores memory.
• 1:03:31
  It transmits information that's what cerebral spinal fluid does as well.
• 1:03:38
  It's like a liquid, liquid crystalline structure
• 1:03:44
  and
• 1:03:48
  we need our, one of like the rocking the, the sacral rocking it does.
• 1:03:56
  It, it does enhance the cerebral spinal fluid flow, but another
• 1:04:01
  thing that that's doing is it's.
• 1:04:03
  Is.
• 1:04:04
  Helping the mitochondria produce electrons is one of the ways we
• 1:04:09
  get electrons is through movement,
• 1:04:13
  Rupert Isaacson: okay?
• 1:04:14
  Shea Stewart: And
• 1:04:16
  Rupert Isaacson: yeah, like a dynamo battery friction produces.
• 1:04:18
  Yeah movement.
• 1:04:19
  Shea Stewart: Yeah
• 1:04:20
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay,
• 1:04:21
  Shea Stewart: and then the other ways we get electrons is through light
• 1:04:26
  frequencies So if these frequencies are too fast from Wi Fi I finally found my
• 1:04:36
  building biologist notes Okay, later Wi Fi
• 1:04:43
  5G.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah, Wi Fi is good in the gigahertz range range.
• 1:04:48
  Mobile phones are in the gigahertz range.
• 1:04:51
  So when we're when we're getting bombarded with those pulses.
• 1:04:57
  It's preventing our mitochondria from making the internal water we need.
• 1:05:03
  It's also just, which that will then disrupt the flow of cerebral spinal fluid.
• 1:05:10
  It destructures the water, because remember this, our water, our
• 1:05:17
  internal water needs to be in a structured, coherent state,
• 1:05:22
  which means it, it has geometric patterning within the water molecule.
• 1:05:33
  And, and when that, when we get bombarded with these electromagnetic
• 1:05:38
  fields that are not native.
• 1:05:42
  It destructures that water, so
• 1:05:44
  Rupert Isaacson: it loses it, smashes up the crystalline.
• 1:05:48
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, they, they lose their ability to communicate with that carries
• 1:05:52
  Rupert Isaacson: the information
• 1:05:52
  Shea Stewart: to
• 1:05:54
  Rupert Isaacson: do its thing.
• 1:05:55
  Shea Stewart: It's like a tuning fork.
• 1:05:57
  If you hit a tuning fork, the tuning fork that has that same
• 1:06:02
  vibration will, will vibrate.
• 1:06:04
  Rupert Isaacson: Mm.
• 1:06:05
  Shea Stewart: Or if you have a that's kind of what the water's doing as it,
• 1:06:10
  and it goes through our, our body way faster than biochemistry can move.
• 1:06:17
  So, you can also think of it as a symphony orchestra.
• 1:06:24
  And all of a sudden, you know, the clarinet, the reed broke and
• 1:06:31
  it's squeaking instead of playing.
• 1:06:33
  And then the guy's freaking out.
• 1:06:35
  So he can't play anymore.
• 1:06:36
  And there's this tune that's, that doesn't flow, right.
• 1:06:39
  It's going to disrupt the whole sound coming from that orchestra.
• 1:06:44
  That's, that's, what's happening.
• 1:06:46
  And, and our body when we're, we're getting exposed to these
• 1:06:50
  things and, and we're all exposed to them because it's everywhere.
• 1:06:54
  All we can do is try to try to mitigate it as best we can.
• 1:07:02
  And there it's when, when our body is not able to make the internal water, we need
• 1:07:11
  the cells lose that positive charge and then then health declines.
• 1:07:20
  How is
• 1:07:21
  Rupert Isaacson: that linked to inflammation and autoimmune?
• 1:07:25
  Shea Stewart: Well, that's where it all starts.
• 1:07:27
  Inflammation is bulk water.
• 1:07:29
  Inflammation is water that no longer has a structure.
• 1:07:33
  Rupert Isaacson: Ah, so if you disrupt the crystalline structure, of
• 1:07:40
  the water that is carrying all this biological information around and is
• 1:07:46
  electrically charged in a certain way to put that information into action.
• 1:07:52
  If you disrupt that with stuff that's too fast, it becomes bulk
• 1:08:01
  water and builds up rather than flowing through, and that's inflammation.
• 1:08:07
  And then that triggers autoimmune stuff as well as chronic pain,
• 1:08:12
  mitochondrial disorders, fibromyalgia.
• 1:08:15
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, and yeah, fibromyalgia, MS and my one of my
• 1:08:21
  quantum biology groups, there's a lot of people that are very sick in these and
• 1:08:30
  just by addressing their mitochondria health, they're getting better.
• 1:08:36
  So I know a couple of people that have diagnosed MS and it's, they don't
• 1:08:43
  have any signs of it anymore just by.
• 1:08:49
  They had to make huge changes.
• 1:08:51
  I mean, that a lot of people, you know, might not be able to, but just
• 1:08:59
  by in, in fibromyalgia and I mean, all kinds of autoimmune things.
• 1:09:05
  It's, it's just a mitochondrial dysfunction.
• 1:09:08
  So we, we need to learn ways to.
• 1:09:13
  Rupert Isaacson: Right.
• 1:09:13
  So if we're working in environments where.
• 1:09:16
  There's just a ton of shit lighting and adding to that maybe you've got some
• 1:09:22
  power lines nearby and adding to that, maybe you've got 5G floating about
• 1:09:26
  and adding to that, you've got this and adding to that, you've got that,
• 1:09:29
  you can expect some knock on effects.
• 1:09:31
  In yourself for non well being, for your horses in non well being,
• 1:09:37
  and for the clients that you're working with in non well being.
• 1:09:39
  That I get.
• 1:09:41
  So, we looked at some potential mitigating solutions.
• 1:09:47
  You said you could change the lighting, you could make it redder, you could make
• 1:09:50
  it more natural, you could make it more from the ground up, not from the top down.
• 1:09:57
  You said you could switch off the Wi Fi at night.
• 1:10:00
  Shea Stewart: The Wi Fi is huge and, and then, and especially for
• 1:10:05
  children, if what about lights,
• 1:10:07
  Rupert Isaacson: what about security lights that come on and off and
• 1:10:09
  that sort of thing through, let's say it's in the barn, you know, and
• 1:10:13
  there's lights coming on and off, or
• 1:10:17
  Shea Stewart: I would change them to red bulbs.
• 1:10:19
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:10:21
  Okay.
• 1:10:22
  So if you feel that you've got to have a security light, change it to a red bulb.
• 1:10:26
  Yeah.
• 1:10:26
  At least if that's coming on and off.
• 1:10:28
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, you can easily get red bulbs.
• 1:10:31
  Some people even get lighting reptile lighting from the pet stores.
• 1:10:35
  Rupert Isaacson: Ooh.
• 1:10:36
  Shea Stewart: Cause those have, you can get different spectrums.
• 1:10:39
  Oh
• 1:10:39
  Rupert Isaacson: yeah, the ones that you use to hatch chickens.
• 1:10:41
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, those, and then there's UV lights and yeah, there's
• 1:10:45
  all kinds of lights for lizards.
• 1:10:48
  Rupert Isaacson: Right.
• 1:10:49
  And those are okay after dark if they come on?
• 1:10:52
  Shea Stewart: Mm hmm.
• 1:10:53
  Mm hmm.
• 1:10:53
  Yeah, I mean, you don't want them on.
• 1:10:54
  You want your lights low at night.
• 1:10:56
  You don't want these, you know, bright
• 1:11:02
  blinding lights and, and people, I hear people complain that they, they
• 1:11:08
  don't see well, you know, they, they, they don't have a good night vision.
• 1:11:12
  And that's a direct symptom of.
• 1:11:16
  Having too many lights on at night, and not getting, and wearing sunglasses
• 1:11:21
  during the day, so your, your pupils are losing that ability to, to fully dilate
• 1:11:26
  or fully contract so you can see properly.
• 1:11:32
  Rupert Isaacson: One of the other things which we often encourage people to do
• 1:11:35
  with, say, horseboy movement method is work outside, and the reason For that
• 1:11:40
  is just fewer bad sensory triggers, of course, in nature, because we're an
• 1:11:44
  organism who have designed for nature.
• 1:11:45
  So do we want to be in an arena, which is relatively sterile, or if possible,
• 1:11:49
  do we want to be out on planet Earth, where, you know, we're supposed to
• 1:11:53
  be, and also we want the child or the.
• 1:11:56
  person to respond to the natural world because that
• 1:12:00
  puts your brain on high alert.
• 1:12:02
  We want them walking places across fields or on woodland paths where they
• 1:12:08
  have to think a bit about where they put their feet because that creates
• 1:12:10
  the protein BDNF in the brain, brain derived neurotrophic factor, increases
• 1:12:16
  cognitive function, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:12:17
  But what I hadn't thought about it from a point of view before is of
• 1:12:20
  course if one goes outside then one can get away from some of these Not
• 1:12:27
  so good what you're calling EMFs.
• 1:12:30
  So if one is working with one's clients constantly in arena, client comes
• 1:12:39
  in, in the arena, Bobob, there's your session, 10 minute break for a cup of
• 1:12:43
  tea, another client comes in for the arena, Bobob, before you know it you've
• 1:12:46
  look up and you've spent 10 hours in an arena and so have your horses.
• 1:12:51
  Is another reason to get out of the arena for your work so that
• 1:12:56
  you can help your mitochondria?
• 1:12:59
  Shea Stewart: Oh, yeah, you need to be out in that natural light
• 1:13:07
  Rupert Isaacson: It's something because you know, we think oh, yeah
• 1:13:08
  natural light vitamin d people get that but It's a relatively new concept.
• 1:13:15
  I think for a lot of people this idea.
• 1:13:16
  It'll help your mitochondria So what again just because this is new for people.
• 1:13:21
  I know for you.
• 1:13:22
  This is you've gone where you live in that rabbit hole, but
• 1:13:26
  You've got very long ears.
• 1:13:27
  Now they're very fetching.
• 1:13:28
  The For people who are still getting to grips with that, why is
• 1:13:32
  being outside going to help their mitochondria, and therefore help them
• 1:13:36
  with chronic pain, autoimmune, blah, blah, blah, and their horses too, skin
• 1:13:40
  conditions, dah, dah, dah, you know, why is the outside going to help?
• 1:13:46
  Shea Stewart: Because we're circadian animals.
• 1:13:49
  Okay.
• 1:13:50
  We, we need to be in sync with the sun, the light from the sun, the different
• 1:14:01
  rays from the sun, the different light spectrums, and we need to be
• 1:14:06
  in sync with the darkness at night.
• 1:14:11
  And whenever we move away from that, we're disrupting our circadian rhythm.
• 1:14:19
  And when that's disrupted, that's when health declines.
• 1:14:23
  There's, there's been a lot of studies on shift workers.
• 1:14:27
  And there are things that even shift workers can do with mitigating
• 1:14:32
  disrupting the circadian rhythm.
• 1:14:34
  It just depends on, you know, what their shift work is.
• 1:14:39
  But for people, another thing you can do, of course, this doesn't help horses.
• 1:14:44
  If you're working in barns at night, you can get blue blocking glasses.
• 1:14:51
  Rupert Isaacson: Blue blocking glasses.
• 1:14:52
  Interesting.
• 1:14:53
  Tell us.
• 1:14:56
  Shea Stewart: So blue light blocking glasses.
• 1:14:58
  There's a lot of different companies that make them.
• 1:15:01
  You just have to make sure that they test them.
• 1:15:04
  So you can't go to Walmart and get a pair of blue blocking readers.
• 1:15:07
  They have to be like the, the blue, the daytime blue blocking
• 1:15:13
  glasses are yellow lenses.
• 1:15:16
  The nighttime blue blocking glasses are red lenses.
• 1:15:22
  And You can also get orange lenses, lenses for like in the morning or in the evening.
• 1:15:29
  If you still have a couple hours before you want to start winding down for bed
• 1:15:33
  the light that comes through our eyes, so I mentioned before, we have
• 1:15:39
  a nucleus that goes from our eye to our hypothalamus and that's that
• 1:15:45
  basically sets our circadian clock.
• 1:15:48
  The suprachiasmatic nucleus.
• 1:15:52
  And we also have aromatic amino acids.
• 1:15:58
  We have non visual photoreceptors in our eyes, but also all over
• 1:16:04
  our body, all over our skin.
• 1:16:08
  So our, that's why sunglasses are not good, because Your eyes and your skin
• 1:16:14
  need to be on the same circadian rhythm.
• 1:16:18
  Rupert Isaacson: Right,
• 1:16:21
  right.
• 1:16:21
  No, this makes perfect sense.
• 1:16:22
  And, and this brings me back to something else I wanted to highlight
• 1:16:27
  with your point about circadian rhythms.
• 1:16:31
  I, you need your proper sleep cycles.
• 1:16:33
  I, you need darkness, whether you're a horse or whether you're a human or
• 1:16:37
  the human that you're serving that, let's say we're giving advice to people
• 1:16:43
  to what to do when they can go home,
• 1:16:47
  cerebral spinal fluid.
• 1:16:48
  I just want to draw people's attention to this.
• 1:16:51
  It's If you sleep well at night, it's like a dishwasher for your brain,
• 1:16:56
  will flush waste material out of your brain and they can now look at this on
• 1:17:03
  scans, it's not, it's all quite recent, type it into Google, it's, it's, it's,
• 1:17:08
  whatever, it's well researched, it's, it's, it's, it's nothing, woo woo.
• 1:17:11
  The glymphatics,
• 1:17:12
  Shea Stewart: the glymphatics.
• 1:17:14
  Rupert Isaacson: Right, so the National Institute of Health, you know, has got
• 1:17:17
  a whole thing on it now and, but the role of age, sleep, and cerebral spinal
• 1:17:23
  fluid, melatonin plaques in the brain, needing to, you know, Flush those things
• 1:17:28
  out that one can't do that if one's not in a proper circadian rhythm It's
• 1:17:33
  the cerebral spinal fluid that's doing that that cerebral spinal fluid has
• 1:17:36
  to be as you say positively structured and charged and the Mitochondria in
• 1:17:40
  there has to be optimal but we can do all of that by kind of changing
• 1:17:44
  our lighting and being outside more
• 1:17:47
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, yeah, because our, that, that cleaning that our cerebral
• 1:17:52
  spinal fluid does for our brain at night is our cerebral spinal fluid is
• 1:17:58
  on a circadian rhythm and it relies on melatonin to be released and melatonin
• 1:18:05
  is not only made in our pineal, pineal gland, it's also made in our mitochondria.
• 1:18:11
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay,
• 1:18:13
  Shea Stewart: and
• 1:18:16
  and it's being made all day long and then it's the night the darkness
• 1:18:22
  at night that tells it to Release
• 1:18:26
  Rupert Isaacson: got it.
• 1:18:27
  Shea Stewart: And if we don't have that darkness at night
• 1:18:31
  the melatonin does not release.
• 1:18:33
  Therefore, the cerebral spinal fluid doesn't do its job
• 1:18:37
  of cleaning out the brain.
• 1:18:38
  The glymphatic system gets sluggish.
• 1:18:43
  It's the same with eating at night.
• 1:18:45
  At night, our body starts to shut down so it can go into all the healing and
• 1:18:52
  repair that it needs to do when we sleep.
• 1:18:54
  That's what, that's what sleep is for us.
• 1:18:57
  And if we eat past dark, that's when people tend to get a lot of GI problems
• 1:19:03
  because Their body is Is trying to shut down and things get the digestion
• 1:19:10
  actually gets slower at night,
• 1:19:15
  Rupert Isaacson: right?
• 1:19:15
  I'm also something else that just occurred to me some of us, you know You do if you
• 1:19:19
  do get your circadian rhythm broken at night and you go for a daytime nap that
• 1:19:25
  can also help reset this For I was just looking at something from Johns Hopkins
• 1:19:31
  Medical Institute them saying that yes, you can you can get this cerebral
• 1:19:35
  spinal fluid flush of your brain thing happening with a a sort of 30 to 90
• 1:19:40
  minute nap in the middle of the day.
• 1:19:42
  But I do believe that it's still so we should do that by the way.
• 1:19:45
  So go nap everybody now pull over and go have a nap.
• 1:19:49
  But it's the nighttime sleep.
• 1:19:51
  That's the big one though, right?
• 1:19:52
  Yeah.
• 1:19:53
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:19:53
  And there are things that we can do that are easy.
• 1:19:57
  So And the, the complaint I hear is from parents who have kids or kids
• 1:20:04
  go to bed and that's when they get their little me time or whatever.
• 1:20:09
  And they're most people's wind down time.
• 1:20:15
  Now, nowadays is scrolling on their phone, scrolling on
• 1:20:19
  their computer or watching TV.
• 1:20:21
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 1:20:23
  Shea Stewart: And the thing that we haven't talked about, we talked about
• 1:20:25
  the lights, but we didn't talk about the lights on the screens and the, the, all
• 1:20:32
  these tech devices, TVs, computers, phones are backlit with this intense blue light.
• 1:20:44
  And that's going to disrupt your circadian rhythm.
• 1:20:50
  And it's also, it also has a flicker.
• 1:20:53
  And it's also
• 1:20:57
  is, can cause eye damage.
• 1:21:01
  People get afraid of the sun for eye diseases, but it's not the sun.
• 1:21:07
  It's, it's the text screens and the lights on at night.
• 1:21:12
  And there, there's a program, a software program called Iris Tech that you can
• 1:21:21
  download on your computer, and it not only gets rid of the flicker, but it changes
• 1:21:27
  color based on what time of day it is.
• 1:21:30
  So, at night, the computer looks red.
• 1:21:33
  So, like, right now, mine's kind of an ambery color.
• 1:21:37
  And then your cell phones, you can put I have mine where it's
• 1:21:43
  I'm having a bad tech day, but I can, I can put mine.
• 1:21:48
  I don't know if you can see.
• 1:21:49
  Oh,
• 1:21:50
  Rupert Isaacson: yeah.
• 1:21:50
  You're holding it up.
• 1:21:51
  Yeah.
• 1:21:51
  Her cell phone is looking pretty red.
• 1:21:54
  Okay.
• 1:21:55
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:21:55
  And this is what I do once it starts to get dark.
• 1:21:59
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:22:00
  Shea Stewart: But I also wear glasses that block the blue.
• 1:22:03
  Okay.
• 1:22:05
  The first, when I first started learning this.
• 1:22:09
  It just made so much sense to me because of my history in the cranial world.
• 1:22:16
  But the first thing I did was I bought some red blue blocking glasses.
• 1:22:22
  And I put those on at night because I sat down, watched TV and I put on those
• 1:22:29
  blue blocking glasses and like within an hour, I was ready to go to bed 30 minutes.
• 1:22:34
  Maybe I was tired and I slept.
• 1:22:37
  And that morning I woke up when the sun came up and I was like,
• 1:22:44
  completely rested.
• 1:22:46
  I wasn't tired.
• 1:22:48
  I didn't have to drag my ass out of bed and go drink coffee.
• 1:22:54
  I was just up and I felt good.
• 1:22:57
  And the second thing I incorporated was getting outside to watch the sun rise.
• 1:23:05
  And those two things have been life changing for me.
• 1:23:10
  And they're easy to do.
• 1:23:12
  Rupert Isaacson: Do you do that even in winter?
• 1:23:14
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:23:14
  Rupert Isaacson: When the sun is rising very early?
• 1:23:16
  Sorry, even in summer when the sun is rising very early?
• 1:23:18
  Shea Stewart: Yep.
• 1:23:22
  Rupert Isaacson: Do you then go back to bed?
• 1:23:24
  Nope.
• 1:23:25
  Okay.
• 1:23:26
  So that means you have to make sure that you got to sleep.
• 1:23:29
  Because if you go to, in mid summer, if you go to sleep at
• 1:23:31
  sunset, That could be where I live.
• 1:23:34
  That's 10 o'clock at night and you got up with the dawn.
• 1:23:37
  That's 4am.
• 1:23:39
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, it's that's the thing when you live the further away
• 1:23:43
  you get from the equator, the more unstable your light environment is.
• 1:23:47
  So you do have to mitigate those things.
• 1:23:50
  I'm a little closer to the equator, so it's a little more stable, but
• 1:23:59
  I do try to at least be out when UVA is rising and UVA is all year round,
• 1:24:06
  no matter where you are on the planet, the, the light that you don't get in
• 1:24:11
  the more northern latitudes is UVB.
• 1:24:15
  Rupert Isaacson: What is UVB?
• 1:24:16
  Shea Stewart: UVB is the light that basically when it, it touches
• 1:24:23
  our skin, it tells the cholesterol in our skin to make vitamin D.
• 1:24:29
  It's not really a vitamin, it's a hormone.
• 1:24:32
  But UVB is what makes D, and it's also what builds the microbiome in our gut.
• 1:24:41
  Rupert Isaacson: So if we live in the more northerly
• 1:24:43
  latitudes, what do we do to Well,
• 1:24:46
  Shea Stewart: you don't, you don't need, if you're, if you're an uncoupled
• 1:24:52
  haplotype, you don't really need.
• 1:24:55
  Rupert Isaacson: If you're a what?
• 1:24:59
  Shea Stewart: A haplotype.
• 1:25:01
  So you're either.
• 1:25:03
  Everybody's either a coupled haplotype or an uncoupled haplotype.
• 1:25:06
  That's
• 1:25:07
  Rupert Isaacson: a very personal
• 1:25:08
  Shea Stewart: thing to say.
• 1:25:10
  I know.
• 1:25:11
  Uncoupled haplotypes are basically people who come from more northern latitudes.
• 1:25:19
  Rupert Isaacson: What does that mean?
• 1:25:19
  Shea Stewart: Coupled.
• 1:25:20
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 1:25:20
  Shea Stewart: It's just how your mind It's how to your mitochondria make energy.
• 1:25:25
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:25:26
  Shea Stewart: So a coupled haplotype would be someone from an equatorial country.
• 1:25:33
  They've got more melanin in their skin and their mitochondria needs more UV
• 1:25:39
  light to make energy than ours does.
• 1:25:43
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:25:44
  Shea Stewart: Like look at some of the strongest people
• 1:25:46
  on the planet are Sherpas.
• 1:25:50
  They're, they're not too far from the equator and they live in high elevations.
• 1:25:56
  So they're getting a lot of UV and a lot of magnetism.
• 1:26:02
  So they're really, they're very strong people.
• 1:26:05
  And when you're uncoupled, that just means you're from a more northern
• 1:26:09
  latitude, uncoupled haplotypes.
• 1:26:15
  use UV and cold.
• 1:26:18
  So in the wintertime, your vitamin D that you make in the summertime, if you're
• 1:26:24
  getting sun on your skin without sun on bare skin with no lotions or anything and
• 1:26:31
  you're building your vitamin D, it, it, it stores in your body for the winter.
• 1:26:38
  So you get up to a certain amount and then you store it, but you also can
• 1:26:42
  make, they're, they're finding that there, there's some new studies that
• 1:26:47
  they're finding that cold exposure helps your body with the vitamin D as well.
• 1:26:53
  It, it, I don't know if it helps your body make it or if it
• 1:26:57
  helps your body store it better.
• 1:27:00
  But in the winter time, we don't really, if you're, if you're from a more northern
• 1:27:07
  latitude, you don't need to mitigate UVB.
• 1:27:13
  Although some people do get those lights.
• 1:27:15
  You can get a spurty lamp or an EMR tech.
• 1:27:20
  They have those are lights that people get that have the different spectrums in
• 1:27:25
  them and, and some people do use those.
• 1:27:30
  in the winter but you don't really have to because you want to think what,
• 1:27:35
  what is natural for your mitochondria, what's natural for where you're from.
• 1:27:42
  And where you currently live, and that would be maybe getting more sleep in
• 1:27:47
  the winter and doing more cold exposure.
• 1:27:52
  Rupert Isaacson: Right.
• 1:27:53
  I'm just reading here.
• 1:27:55
  Good health and immune function can be at risk in winter.
• 1:27:58
  However, the cold exposure that coincides with the nadir, the lowest
• 1:28:02
  point in seasonal blood serum.
• 1:28:04
  Vitamin D might compensate by stimulating mitochondrial production
• 1:28:10
  of ultraviolet light inside the cell, thus activating vitamin D production
• 1:28:16
  inside brown fat and other cells.
• 1:28:18
  This is what cold exposure can do.
• 1:28:22
  Interesting.
• 1:28:23
  Yeah,
• 1:28:24
  Shea Stewart: well, cold exposure tells your mitochondria to
• 1:28:27
  produce UV light, which is heat.
• 1:28:31
  Rupert Isaacson: I see to warm up.
• 1:28:33
  Right.
• 1:28:34
  Got it.
• 1:28:35
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:28:35
  Rupert Isaacson: Also fills you with endorphins.
• 1:28:39
  Shea Stewart: It can release some endorphins.
• 1:28:42
  Yeah.
• 1:28:42
  And you have to be careful with cold exposure.
• 1:28:45
  I mean, I don't agree with the whole Huberman lab 47 degrees
• 1:28:52
  or 11 minutes a week, because
• 1:28:58
  everybody's different, everybody's.
• 1:29:03
  N equals one is different.
• 1:29:06
  So for some people that would put you in a complete cortisol stress.
• 1:29:14
  Technically, anything that's below our body temperature
• 1:29:17
  is considered cold exposure.
• 1:29:21
  So you could, if it's 60 degrees, you could take a walk outside for an
• 1:29:25
  hour and that would be cold exposure.
• 1:29:30
  Rupert Isaacson: Not if you're wearing an Arctic fleece, right?
• 1:29:33
  I mean, how would you get that cold, what would you wear at 60
• 1:29:37
  degrees to get cold exposure?
• 1:29:39
  Shea Stewart: I would probably, I mean, I take walks when it's 35,
• 1:29:45
  40 and I'll wear a pair of shorts And a sweatshirt and tennis shoes.
• 1:29:51
  Rupert Isaacson: And how long will that walk be?
• 1:29:52
  By the way, 3540 she means, um, Fahrenheit.
• 1:29:56
  Shea Stewart: Fahrenheit, yeah.
• 1:29:58
  Rupert Isaacson: Jolly chilly if you're a Celsius person.
• 1:30:01
  That's, that's just about like two or three degrees.
• 1:30:04
  Yeah.
• 1:30:05
  Celsius, yeah.
• 1:30:06
  Shea Stewart: But I'm cold adapted, so.
• 1:30:09
  And I would need at least 40 minutes of that to get a, a true cold thermogenic.
• 1:30:15
  Rupert Isaacson: a howling wind with horizontal sleet?
• 1:30:18
  Shea Stewart: No, I'm not that crazy.
• 1:30:23
  Rupert Isaacson: Well, because again, you, I mean, just so listeners understand, I'm
• 1:30:27
  talking to you from winter in Germany.
• 1:30:29
  You're talking from winter in Texas, which is a Mediterranean winter.
• 1:30:33
  It's not that you can't get very cold in Texas, but it blows in and it blows
• 1:30:36
  out and it doesn't last very long.
• 1:30:38
  The cold here, it's different.
• 1:30:40
  So we're in the sort of North Atlantic weather systems, mid continental.
• 1:30:45
  So it can get.
• 1:30:46
  Damn cold.
• 1:30:47
  And it's cold, nasty, like, you know, howling wind rain that'll
• 1:30:51
  cut through you like a knife.
• 1:30:53
  Should I go out in my t shirt and shorts in that?
• 1:30:58
  Shea Stewart: No, I wouldn't.
• 1:30:59
  You don't, you don't know how I'm going
• 1:31:01
  Rupert Isaacson: to get my cold exposure.
• 1:31:03
  I am outside in that all day.
• 1:31:05
  Shea Stewart: I mean, yeah, you're going out and you're cold
• 1:31:11
  and, and it's, and that's okay.
• 1:31:14
  I mean, that's, it's okay to be cold.
• 1:31:15
  That's what I'm saying.
• 1:31:16
  It's good for your mitochondria.
• 1:31:19
  You can go out in that and bundle up, but you're still getting cold, right?
• 1:31:23
  Rupert Isaacson: Exactly.
• 1:31:24
  Well, of course, even like today I was on horseback and the wind was Doing his
• 1:31:29
  thing and you know, just the front of your face is getting a proper scrape, you know,
• 1:31:35
  it's you know, the, the, the ice thing is just going all across, you know, and that,
• 1:31:41
  Shea Stewart: yeah, that's the best place to get cold is your face.
• 1:31:43
  Is that right?
• 1:31:44
  Okay.
• 1:31:44
  Why is
• 1:31:46
  Rupert Isaacson: that?
• 1:31:47
  Shea Stewart: It's, it's has to do.
• 1:31:50
  I don't remember exactly.
• 1:31:51
  It has to do with what's being stimulated with the cold on your forehead.
• 1:31:58
  Rupert Isaacson: Prefrontal cortex chilling or something
• 1:32:01
  that brain brain freeze.
• 1:32:03
  I
• 1:32:06
  Shea Stewart: think because that triggers some receptors that help
• 1:32:11
  your mitochondria produce the light.
• 1:32:15
  So some people who can't do cold exposure, they do face dunks and ice.
• 1:32:20
  Rupert Isaacson: Oh, interesting.
• 1:32:21
  So I've just looked it up, of course.
• 1:32:23
  Cold water therapy, skin health.
• 1:32:25
  Promotes collagen production, apparently.
• 1:32:26
  Counteracting stress factors.
• 1:32:29
  So, actually, it's good for your wrinkles and your skin
• 1:32:32
  firmness, cold water immersion.
• 1:32:34
  But also, lymphatic drainage.
• 1:32:36
  So, I guess that's what, taking, getting rid of inflammation.
• 1:32:41
  So, okay.
• 1:32:44
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, it also it it helps your bulk water structure.
• 1:32:49
  Rupert Isaacson: I see.
• 1:32:51
  Shea Stewart: That's another thing that cold,
• 1:32:54
  Rupert Isaacson: but here's so here's the question So you don't agree with
• 1:32:56
  the human huberman labs stuff of these?
• 1:32:59
  Are you talking about ice baths there?
• 1:33:01
  You talking about like stuff?
• 1:33:03
  So some people we know people who are great ice bath evangelists and but they
• 1:33:12
  would put their hand on their heart and say Rupert, I feel so much better,
• 1:33:17
  and I'm so much healthier, and I'm so much stronger with my ice baths.
• 1:33:20
  And then I know other people who'll hold up a crucifix and say get away
• 1:33:23
  from me with your satanic ice bath.
• 1:33:26
  Who's right?
• 1:33:27
  Shea Stewart: Well, that's that's what I'm saying.
• 1:33:29
  Is everybody
• 1:33:30
  Rupert Isaacson: right?
• 1:33:30
  Because it depends on your metabolism.
• 1:33:32
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, everybody's n equals one is different.
• 1:33:35
  Everybody's mitochondrial health is in a different place.
• 1:33:38
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:33:38
  Shea Stewart: And you can't
• 1:33:42
  Rupert Isaacson: How do you know if an ice bath is good for you or not?
• 1:33:44
  You just have to try and see what your reaction is.
• 1:33:47
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:33:48
  If, if it's too stressful, don't do it.
• 1:33:50
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:33:51
  So now what if your ice bath coach is like, no, no, you can do it.
• 1:33:58
  Should you do it?
• 1:33:59
  I
• 1:34:00
  Shea Stewart: would get a different ice bath coach.
• 1:34:02
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:34:02
  Shea Stewart: Because I don't think, I mean, I'm looking
• 1:34:06
  at mitochondrial function.
• 1:34:09
  If there's somebody who's encouraging you and you really want to do it.
• 1:34:16
  Yeah.
• 1:34:17
  But is, is dipping down and getting up within one minute.
• 1:34:22
  beneficial.
• 1:34:23
  I don't think it's, it's probably beneficial to your willpower.
• 1:34:28
  You know what, what you, what you learn that you can handle, which is huge.
• 1:34:33
  Our, our emotional our emotions are huge around that.
• 1:34:37
  And that has a lot that can have a big effect on our
• 1:34:40
  health and our cellular health.
• 1:34:45
  But if you want to do cold thermogenesis that improves mitochondrial function,
• 1:34:54
  you have to have a longer exposure.
• 1:34:58
  But the temperature depends on your n equals one.
• 1:35:04
  It depends on your mitochondrial health.
• 1:35:06
  If you're, if you have autoimmune disease and you've got some other
• 1:35:13
  health problems because of that, I wouldn't go jump in an ice bath.
• 1:35:19
  I would start really slow because what you don't want is your cortisol to spike.
• 1:35:24
  Our, our cortisol is.
• 1:35:27
  Spikes in the morning to get us up.
• 1:35:29
  That's why going outside and getting the sun is good because it helps
• 1:35:34
  tamper with the cortisol and it, it helps your body go, okay, we're up.
• 1:35:39
  Now other things need to take over.
• 1:35:43
  But if your cortisol is always spiked, then you're going
• 1:35:45
  to get chronic inflammation.
• 1:35:47
  And if you're, if you're forcing yourself,
• 1:35:49
  Rupert Isaacson: cortisol brings down inflammation.
• 1:35:51
  It's one of its jobs, right?
• 1:35:52
  Is to bring down inflammation.
• 1:35:54
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, but it.
• 1:35:55
  It's it's, it's, it's not supposed to be there all the time.
• 1:36:00
  Rupert Isaacson: Too much medicine.
• 1:36:02
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:36:02
  Too much.
• 1:36:04
  Yeah.
• 1:36:04
  So if you're doing, if you're doing ice baths and it's, it's, it's too much
• 1:36:10
  cortisol, then you need to raise the temperature or do it a different way.
• 1:36:17
  Rupert Isaacson: One of the things which I find difficult about an ice bath is
• 1:36:23
  that you go in there and you don't move.
• 1:36:25
  And for me, when I get that kind of shock to the system, my body
• 1:36:32
  automatically wants to move.
• 1:36:34
  So, for example, if I were to go into the cold ocean or a cold river, I
• 1:36:38
  would be able to splash, move, go, jump around, you know, sort of thing.
• 1:36:43
  Which brings my cortisol down, of course.
• 1:36:46
  Yeah.
• 1:36:46
  There's something to me, which is cortisol y, stress y about feeling confined in that
• 1:36:59
  cold exposure suffering state.
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  But yet I know other people who love it.
• 1:37:03
  Shea Stewart: Oh yeah.
• 1:37:04
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 1:37:05
  There seems to be a real temperament thing.
• 1:37:07
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:37:08
  And, and you get addicted to it.
• 1:37:10
  We get addicted to the cold.
• 1:37:12
  And once you start using the sun more, you get addicted.
• 1:37:16
  We're, we're meant to become addicted to the sun.
• 1:37:20
  And we tend, we also get addicted to the cold and addicted.
• 1:37:25
  I don't mean that in a.
• 1:37:26
  Bad way.
• 1:37:27
  It's just our body seeks that because it's healthy for us, but yeah, the
• 1:37:32
  cold, I don't like, I've actually hurt my back worse doing ice baths and, and
• 1:37:38
  I've, I've learned that it was because it was too cold and I was in a confined
• 1:37:44
  state, so I was just sitting there.
• 1:37:47
  You know, like frozen.
• 1:37:50
  So, sometimes in the winter,
• 1:37:54
  I'll get in my pool where I can move around.
• 1:37:59
  Rupert Isaacson: How long will you do that for?
• 1:38:02
  Shea Stewart: It depends on how cold it is, but usually around 20 minutes.
• 1:38:08
  Rupert Isaacson: So, I guess, back to, I'm a therapeutic or equine
• 1:38:14
  assisted person, it's winter.
• 1:38:17
  Do I need to make sure I've got some time where I pull the rugs off the horses?
• 1:38:21
  And let their body temperatures drop, let them get full vitamin D exposure
• 1:38:28
  to the sun before I put the blankets back on for the rest of the day.
• 1:38:33
  You know, it's interesting.
• 1:38:35
  I grew up doing a lot of hunting, fox hunting.
• 1:38:38
  Whatever.
• 1:38:39
  Please don't kill me.
• 1:38:40
  I gave it up.
• 1:38:42
  But I still go out now with the artificial type of hounds, where we don't
• 1:38:46
  actually hassle a live animal anymore.
• 1:38:48
  But of course, that's done in the winter.
• 1:38:51
  And often on horses that are clipped, because being super athletic while
• 1:38:57
  they're out there, you don't want them overheating and You know, the sweat
• 1:39:02
  falling up and give it, you know, chafing them and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:39:05
  So they're partially shaved or fully shaved on the body.
• 1:39:09
  And they're out three to six hours like that working in the winter.
• 1:39:16
  in all weathers and they love it and they seem to do it till they're about
• 1:39:20
  30 years old and come back in happy.
• 1:39:22
  And then of course you rug them up at night particularly if they're clipped,
• 1:39:25
  obviously they don't have the winter coat.
• 1:39:27
  My horses now, the ones I'm, I'm not hunting them because I'm
• 1:39:30
  not in an area where I do that, I let them have a winter coat.
• 1:39:34
  But I don't want too much winter coat because again, I'm doing
• 1:39:37
  quite a lot of athletic work.
• 1:39:38
  I don't want them sweating too much in the winter and they live
• 1:39:42
  outside anyway, so I do rug them.
• 1:39:44
  But as much as possible, I do try to pull the rugs off.
• 1:39:47
  Now, I was pulling the rugs off as much as possible in the daytime, just to let
• 1:39:51
  them roll, get muddy, get, you know, the itches out, just because they like it.
• 1:39:57
  But you are now saying that Or suggesting or are you, that there could
• 1:40:03
  be a more mitochondrial based liquid intelligence based structure of the
• 1:40:09
  intelligent water in the body based need for that exposure, particularly
• 1:40:14
  in, in, in, in the short Sundays of winter to just make sure that they get
• 1:40:19
  it on their skin for their optimal Yes.
• 1:40:22
  Mitochondrial health.
• 1:40:24
  Okay.
• 1:40:24
  Yeah.
• 1:40:24
  That's interesting.
• 1:40:25
  Shea Stewart: Pull the, pull the.
• 1:40:26
  Rugs off in the winter and give them, give them, think of it as light
• 1:40:32
  therapy, give them light therapy.
• 1:40:35
  I mean, look at what's become so popular right now is red light therapy,
• 1:40:41
  but red light comes from the sun.
• 1:40:44
  You can just go out in the sun.
• 1:40:46
  And if you're, if you're afraid of the UV.
• 1:40:50
  If you just go out in the morning and in the evening is pure red and infrared.
• 1:40:55
  There is no UV UV UV comes out, you know, once the sun starts rising
• 1:41:02
  and the only UV that is has actually been shown to be damaging is UVB
• 1:41:11
  and, but the studies that they did on that, they did it in isolation.
• 1:41:15
  They isolated the UVB.
• 1:41:17
  They didn't mix it with, okay.
• 1:41:19
  Red and infrared from the sun.
• 1:41:22
  But anyway,
• 1:41:25
  red light getting out in the sun is the same as doing red light therapy.
• 1:41:31
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:41:33
  Shea Stewart: And actually old story, get outta that
• 1:41:34
  Rupert Isaacson: arena.
• 1:41:35
  Shea Stewart: Yep.
• 1:41:36
  Get out as much as you can.
• 1:41:38
  My, I have a dog that's.
• 1:41:41
  Well, gosh, she's probably 19
• 1:41:43
  Rupert Isaacson: now,
• 1:41:44
  Shea Stewart: and she has good eyesight, good hearing, and she
• 1:41:52
  started to get really itchy, like scratching all the time.
• 1:41:57
  And this was about the time that I started my whole Quantum shift with my lifestyle
• 1:42:07
  and I was going outside every morning and my, my dog would come with me and we'd
• 1:42:13
  go out and I'd have my coffee outside and she would come out and sit with me.
• 1:42:17
  She falls, she's with me everywhere.
• 1:42:20
  And after about a week, she completely stopped scratching now.
• 1:42:30
  Rupert Isaacson: Go ahead.
• 1:42:30
  Sorry, then I've got a thought.
• 1:42:32
  Shea Stewart: So that was that I firmly believe it was the the healing
• 1:42:40
  light from the Sun
• 1:42:43
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:42:43
  Now you did earlier on about an hour ago You mentioned in summer not
• 1:42:51
  using a flysheet or a fly mask I've got a couple of horses which if I do
• 1:42:56
  that the flies will eat them alive literally tear their flesh and can't
• 1:43:04
  not put a fly sheet on those horses and then the same for the fly mask.
• 1:43:11
  They'll just suffer so terribly, like really suffer.
• 1:43:16
  Other horses seem to sell through it.
• 1:43:18
  What do I do in that situation?
• 1:43:21
  And
• 1:43:22
  Shea Stewart: the
• 1:43:23
  Rupert Isaacson: other question is, can you get the same
• 1:43:25
  beneficial effects from moonlight?
• 1:43:29
  Shea Stewart: No, no, if
• 1:43:30
  Rupert Isaacson: I pull the rug off at night in the summer, for example, no,
• 1:43:33
  it has to be not getting reflected.
• 1:43:36
  Nice UV light for their mitochondria.
• 1:43:39
  So how do I help that horse out?
• 1:43:41
  Because everyone's like this.
• 1:43:46
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, my horse had an eye problem.
• 1:43:49
  So I fly masked my horse.
• 1:43:52
  I was I actually have a friend who was talking to somebody who makes
• 1:43:57
  fly masks, and they were, were going to test them to see if they could
• 1:44:04
  make some that, that don't filter out the UV because that's some of
• 1:44:08
  the beneficial light that they need.
• 1:44:12
  You could do like leave it off in the morning before the flies get bad, just put
• 1:44:18
  it on later, you know, give them breaks.
• 1:44:20
  That's what I tell people if you can, you know, I know people are busy and but
• 1:44:25
  if you can give them breaks, give them a couple hours of that morning sun and that
• 1:44:31
  evening sun when the flies are not so bad.
• 1:44:36
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:44:38
  I'm thinking about, you know, horses that I have to put on far pastures.
• 1:44:42
  and might have to ignore for a few days, you know.
• 1:44:45
  And they're happy, they're roaming about there, but I'm
• 1:44:49
  gonna leave, I'm gonna leave that.
• 1:44:50
  Fly sheet on and that fly mask
• 1:44:53
  Shea Stewart: chunks
• 1:44:55
  Rupert Isaacson: of the missing, you know, from the flies.
• 1:44:57
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:44:58
  I mean, you have to, yeah, you have to use your, the things I wonder
• 1:45:04
  is what is it about that horse?
• 1:45:07
  That's attract attracting flies.
• 1:45:11
  It's in one of my classes, they were talking about how people
• 1:45:16
  who have gotten bitten by sharks.
• 1:45:20
  Or even people who get bitten by mosquitoes are actually
• 1:45:25
  leaking too much biophotons.
• 1:45:28
  So the, the, the bio photons that we produce the light that we
• 1:45:33
  produce, we hold on to that light.
• 1:45:38
  And that's that creates energy in our system.
• 1:45:41
  But when we're sick or compromised that.
• 1:45:45
  We're not able to hold on to that light, so it starts to fly off of us and they
• 1:45:51
  can actually see that in certain imaging.
• 1:45:54
  There's actually a whole science behind there's a group of biofield scientists
• 1:46:00
  who are measuring our biofields and so I wonder about horses because I had one
• 1:46:08
  that, you know, my herd of five, one of them got completely taken eaten alive by
• 1:46:14
  bugs, but the other one's not so much.
• 1:46:19
  And, and he, he was a horse that he came from the primrose farm.
• 1:46:25
  So he probably, you know, didn't have a good.
• 1:46:31
  Development in utero, I would think that like his whole system was just weaker.
• 1:46:38
  So, I wonder about horses that how some horses or or even even things like E.
• 1:46:43
  P.
• 1:46:44
  M.
• 1:46:44
  that protozoa that that can cause a neurological problems.
• 1:46:48
  You can have a herd of 20 horses in a field and only 1 of them will get
• 1:46:57
  affected by that.
• 1:46:59
  So, when I see that.
• 1:47:02
  It's like, yeah, you want to keep them comfortable and you want them to not get
• 1:47:07
  eaten up because it's miserable for them.
• 1:47:10
  And then what do you, how do you, how do you give them the light that they need to,
• 1:47:16
  to optimize their mitochondrial function?
• 1:47:20
  And, and why are they?
• 1:47:22
  Getting, why are, are those things getting attracted to them more?
• 1:47:28
  And so
• 1:47:32
  Rupert Isaacson: it's a really, it's a really interesting question.
• 1:47:34
  We've asked ourselves this, this particular two horses in question.
• 1:47:37
  The Lusitano's one was bred in Portugal.
• 1:47:41
  One was bred in North Carolina.
• 1:47:43
  I kept them in Texas.
• 1:47:45
  They had no problem.
• 1:47:48
  And it's buggy in Texas, as you know, you live in Texas in the summertime.
• 1:47:54
  I moved here to Germany, which is a cooler climate.
• 1:47:58
  I mean, it gets hot in the summer, but nothing like as hot, and not for as long.
• 1:48:02
  High bug activity, different types of bug.
• 1:48:06
  Brought seven horses, two suffered, two did not.
• 1:48:12
  But the suffering only showed up after about four years.
• 1:48:18
  They were grand and then they sort of weren't and obviously like all horse
• 1:48:25
  owners I've tried this and I've tried that but I find that the, the main
• 1:48:30
  thing is just to make sure that, you know, I keep them covered enough.
• 1:48:35
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, and that, that timing would make sense if it's some kind
• 1:48:39
  of mitochondrial dysfunction, because I think I mentioned earlier it, they
• 1:48:46
  are dysfunctional, they can function.
• 1:48:52
  I can never, I can never say the sentence correctly, mitochondria.
• 1:48:59
  Not show any signs.
• 1:49:01
  The body will not show any signs of dysfunction until the mitochondria
• 1:49:05
  is operating at a 70 percent deficit.
• 1:49:12
  It's like the electric transport chain that keeps them keeps that energy
• 1:49:17
  production gets doesn't function right.
• 1:49:20
  And when that slows down, cellular function declines.
• 1:49:26
  So over and it takes time.
• 1:49:29
  So it could be.
• 1:49:32
  Something about their environment.
• 1:49:36
  Rupert Isaacson: Yes, absolutely.
• 1:49:38
  One of the things I need to look, I'm going to be looking at is selenium.
• 1:49:41
  As you know, that's a whole tricky area with horses.
• 1:49:44
  Because,
• 1:49:44
  Shea Stewart: you
• 1:49:45
  Rupert Isaacson: know, too much for too little, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:49:47
  But I think there might be some deficiency there in our area.
• 1:49:52
  But it's interesting.
• 1:49:53
  I'm just going to dive down the rabbit hole now of, of When summer comes around
• 1:49:57
  again of looking at how, well, how can I boost their mitochondrial health?
• 1:50:01
  And I just going to be very interested to see, you know,
• 1:50:05
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, because
• 1:50:05
  Rupert Isaacson: they
• 1:50:07
  Shea Stewart: make vitamin D as well, but it's a little different.
• 1:50:11
  It, it, it comes on onto their fur and in their skin, and then they
• 1:50:19
  release a serum and then they lick it.
• 1:50:22
  You know, they lick, they groom each other.
• 1:50:24
  One of the things they're doing is they're getting vitamin D.
• 1:50:28
  Rupert Isaacson: Is that so?
• 1:50:29
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, and dogs will, and cats will lick, get
• 1:50:32
  the vitamin D that they produced.
• 1:50:35
  Rupert Isaacson: I see.
• 1:50:35
  So
• 1:50:35
  Shea Stewart: that's another reason why they need that direct sunlight.
• 1:50:41
  Rupert Isaacson: And the chance to groom each other.
• 1:50:43
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, yep.
• 1:50:46
  Rupert Isaacson: Even when they pull each other's manes out, really annoying.
• 1:50:49
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:50:50
  It's
• 1:50:53
  Rupert Isaacson: like, guys, why do you have to do that?
• 1:50:56
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:50:56
  Mutual, mutual grooming is, that's one thing that is not very well
• 1:51:01
  known is that's one source of, that's one way they get their vitamin D.
• 1:51:05
  Rupert Isaacson: Is that so?
• 1:51:05
  Okay.
• 1:51:06
  And what's really interesting, both those horses really go for the mutual grooming.
• 1:51:12
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:51:13
  And I always encourage it,
• 1:51:13
  Rupert Isaacson: I never discourage it.
• 1:51:15
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, yeah, they're probably lacking and that's the thing
• 1:51:19
  is the quantum quantum health is studied in the human world It's not part of
• 1:51:27
  centralized mainstream medicine like if you go your primary care physician
• 1:51:35
  and You complain about being electro sensitive because you're suffering
• 1:51:40
  from a mitochondrial dysfunction.
• 1:51:42
  I don't think they'll know what to do with that.
• 1:51:45
  Rupert Isaacson: No, it's so interesting, isn't it?
• 1:51:46
  Yeah, there's a big disconnect between, say, the Mitochondrial Institute at
• 1:51:52
  University of California, which is huge, which is one of the first things to
• 1:51:55
  get behind us, and an average internal medicine doctor who you would think would
• 1:52:04
  be exposed to all that Knowledge and not not at all like not neuroscience either.
• 1:52:09
  Yeah,
• 1:52:09
  Shea Stewart: it's not like they get like even eye doctors and I follow
• 1:52:14
  a woman who's a quantum eye doctor.
• 1:52:17
  And it's, it's not like doctors get a text message every time there's a
• 1:52:22
  new study that comes out, it has to be, and they're all overworked anyway.
• 1:52:28
  Rupert Isaacson: They have to be nerds that want to nerd out on that stuff.
• 1:52:32
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, or, or yeah, they have to really, and the same with
• 1:52:36
  our animals, there's really not much.
• 1:52:39
  There, I think there's a woman in the UK, I can't remember her name right now,
• 1:52:43
  but she's, she's starting to incorporate more quantum health and large animals.
• 1:52:50
  And well,
• 1:52:50
  Rupert Isaacson: that was my next question is where are the quantum vets?
• 1:52:52
  And I'm going to hop on Google in a minute.
• 1:52:55
  I also Googled while you were talking about bio photo photon loss.
• 1:53:00
  Yeah.
• 1:53:01
  I was like losing the light when you're sick.
• 1:53:03
  It's like, is that a thing?
• 1:53:04
  And I looked it up just now It's totally a thing.
• 1:53:08
  I found Just a bazillion articles from various medical journals and again, jobs,
• 1:53:13
  Johns Hopkins popped up and it just buh, So these things are being well studied.
• 1:53:20
  These are not just fringe issues.
• 1:53:22
  However, let's talk about something which sounds like a fringe issue.
• 1:53:25
  We're approaching the two hour mark.
• 1:53:27
  There's going to be more.
• 1:53:28
  I'm going to want to ask, but I think we will have to come back again.
• 1:53:31
  It's because our brains will be a bit blown.
• 1:53:35
  You mentioned earlier.
• 1:53:37
  Something about trying to ground maybe using a grounding sheet to help mitigate
• 1:53:46
  some of the negative effects of being bombarded by too much of these other
• 1:53:49
  electromagnetic fields, but that some of them can malfunction and actually make you
• 1:53:55
  charge something called dirty electricity, dirty electricity when it's at home,
• 1:54:01
  Shea Stewart: Dirty electricity.
• 1:54:02
  Now, even a building biologist will say it's a building
• 1:54:06
  Rupert Isaacson: biologist.
• 1:54:07
  Shea Stewart: Yeah,
• 1:54:08
  Rupert Isaacson: but a biologist who comes in and sort of assesses
• 1:54:10
  your building, your, your, your home environment or your office environment.
• 1:54:15
  Shea Stewart: Yes, they assess it for the different frequencies.
• 1:54:19
  Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
• 1:54:19
  Okay.
• 1:54:21
  Shea Stewart: One of the things they can test for is dirty electricity
• 1:54:24
  Rupert Isaacson: or
• 1:54:25
  Shea Stewart: electricity is, is it's complicated.
• 1:54:28
  But it's basically if there's faulty, a faulty wire if your wires are not
• 1:54:34
  coded with I can't remember what it is, anything that's got a dual motor.
• 1:54:40
  Like an air conditioning or a pool pump or refrigerator, these, these
• 1:54:46
  things can, can emit dirty electricity and you can actually get a filter.
• 1:54:53
  They say not to get the plug in filters for your plugs, because that
• 1:54:58
  could scatter the dirty electricity more that you want to get a whole
• 1:55:03
  house filter for your breaker box.
• 1:55:06
  They are expensive.
• 1:55:08
  But then, even then, you have to make sure you're not getting dirty electricity
• 1:55:15
  from the power grid coming to your house.
• 1:55:19
  Rupert Isaacson: So you make sure of that
• 1:55:22
  Shea Stewart: get it tested by a building biologist.
• 1:55:24
  They can test that.
• 1:55:27
  And all I did, I Googled building biologists near me and I found somebody
• 1:55:31
  and she came out and tested everything.
• 1:55:34
  And so
• 1:55:35
  Rupert Isaacson: Geiger counters or what?
• 1:55:39
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:55:39
  These little different meters that measure like radio frequencies and
• 1:55:46
  microwaves and radiation from wifi.
• 1:55:53
  It's called
• 1:55:55
  Rupert Isaacson: go ahead.
• 1:55:55
  Sorry.
• 1:55:57
  Shea Stewart: So
• 1:56:00
  when we ground on the earth, we're gathering electrons.
• 1:56:09
  You can also ground by touching trees.
• 1:56:13
  And I'm testing the grounding by touching horses, even if you have shoes on,
• 1:56:20
  I'm doing my own little case study on that.
• 1:56:24
  And I have found that sometimes I can ground, or sometimes I'm grounded
• 1:56:32
  just by touching them, even if I have shoes on, and sometimes I'm not.
• 1:56:36
  And that could be my, how, how well hydrated I am.
• 1:56:41
  But so basically that gives us electrons and our mitochondria need Like electrons
• 1:56:49
  and are if we don't have enough electrons.
• 1:56:52
  Our our body tries to find him wherever we can get them.
• 1:56:58
  It's like a mother holding her sick baby.
• 1:57:02
  She's giving her baby electrons.
• 1:57:05
  By doing that we can steal electrons from other people if we're not
• 1:57:13
  functioning optimally, or we can get our electrons stolen.
• 1:57:17
  And
• 1:57:19
  Rupert Isaacson: sounds
• 1:57:19
  Shea Stewart: like
• 1:57:19
  Rupert Isaacson: vampires.
• 1:57:21
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 1:57:21
  I mean, it's like, have you ever been around somebody and
• 1:57:24
  then was exhausted afterwards?
• 1:57:26
  Rupert Isaacson: How are they stealing my electrons?
• 1:57:28
  Shea Stewart: They're, they're mitochondria sense that.
• 1:57:31
  And we have what's called a biofield.
• 1:57:35
  And that's a real thing too.
• 1:57:37
  And it's, it's about three feet off our body.
• 1:57:39
  Right.
• 1:57:39
  This is well studied.
• 1:57:41
  Yeah.
• 1:57:42
  Yeah, and that can grab, you
• 1:57:45
  Rupert Isaacson: know, just would that, would that be somebody who's not producing
• 1:57:48
  enough electrons and they're like just trying to get it from wherever they can.
• 1:57:51
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, people who never get electrons, which a lot of it,
• 1:57:55
  a lot of us are electron deficient.
• 1:57:57
  If we're living an indoor
• 1:58:02
  Rupert Isaacson: vampires, people who live electron deficient lives.
• 1:58:05
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, don't even realize it.
• 1:58:10
  Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
• 1:58:11
  If you're less likely to be an energy vampire, if they live their life outside.
• 1:58:16
  Shea Stewart: Yep.
• 1:58:17
  Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
• 1:58:18
  So energy bound prism is a thing.
• 1:58:20
  Shea Stewart: Yep.
• 1:58:20
  And if you're if your circadian rhythm is off, you're not
• 1:58:26
  getting the electrons you need.
• 1:58:28
  So you're going to be Constantly trying to steal them for everywhere,
• 1:58:32
  but going outside and grounding is a great way to get them.
• 1:58:36
  And then, so now there's these grounding devices that we can use, like grounding
• 1:58:40
  sheets that you mentioned earlier, but if you're plugging the sheet into the wall.
• 1:58:49
  Because they'll, they'll plug into the ground of your, of your electricity,
• 1:58:54
  if you plug it into the wall and you have dirty electricity, that dirty
• 1:58:58
  electricity is looking for a place to ground and it's going to ground
• 1:59:02
  right on you on the grounding sheet.
• 1:59:07
  So, if you, if you have a grounding sheet, don't plug it into the wall,
• 1:59:13
  get one of those little stakes you can plug into the earth outside.
• 1:59:18
  And a little cord you can run through your window and, and make sure you don't have
• 1:59:23
  any cables buried around where you put the stake, because the same thing can happen.
• 1:59:29
  So, the best place would be by a tree, if you have that.
• 1:59:35
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay, I'm just checking again for listeners, the woo
• 1:59:38
  woo factor, is dirty electricity real?
• 1:59:40
  Turns out it is.
• 1:59:41
  I'm looking at an article in Nature, which is obviously one of the big scientific
• 1:59:45
  journals, says the term dirty electricity refers to the electromagnetic energy
• 1:59:49
  flowing along a conductor that deviates from a pure 50 to 60 hertz sine wave.
• 1:59:56
  The, what we think of as that woo woo wave that goes like that, not
• 1:59:59
  woo woo, but I made that noise to denote that my, my finger making this
• 2:00:03
  nice harmonious wave, and has both harmonic and transient properties.
• 2:00:07
  Okay, so basically, power surges erratic spikes in energy,
• 2:00:14
  stuff that isn't working.
• 2:00:15
  Properly, as you said, perhaps sometimes with microwaves and things
• 2:00:19
  although I do use microwaves a lot.
• 2:00:20
  Hey, that's very convenient.
• 2:00:22
  I
• 2:00:23
  Shea Stewart: do too.
• 2:00:23
  I use a microwave and I just don't stand by it.
• 2:00:27
  Right.
• 2:00:28
  We tend to stand in front and watch the seconds count down.
• 2:00:31
  Rupert Isaacson: That's true.
• 2:00:33
  So
• 2:00:33
  Shea Stewart: I, I purposefully like move away and go do something
• 2:00:37
  else because being standing in front of them, you're just getting that.
• 2:00:42
  Rupert Isaacson: Getting cooked.
• 2:00:43
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 2:00:44
  Rupert Isaacson: You know, my way of grounding, what I do, of course,
• 2:00:47
  is I spend as much time outside as I can with my feet on the ground.
• 2:00:51
  Or sometimes if the weather is conducive, my whole body, I will starfish.
• 2:00:56
  On any given piece of grass I can find.
• 2:00:59
  And I'll do it in winter on a ground sheet.
• 2:01:03
  And I'll do it, I do that with the kids that come to us from some of the schools
• 2:01:09
  that send, you know, because it's like, you know, they're getting no chance.
• 2:01:13
  And the other thing which I'll do a lot is take my shoes off, even in winter.
• 2:01:17
  And I'll say, let's get Get muddy.
• 2:01:19
  It's okay.
• 2:01:20
  We won't die because we're also going to dry our feet off soon and put nice
• 2:01:24
  woolly socks on again Why don't we and it's it's so interesting how this
• 2:01:30
  seems to bring instant joy But I I'm understanding it now from a mitochondrial
• 2:01:36
  light Intelligent liquid point of view now, which is very interesting so of
• 2:01:42
  course, you know one of the in horse by method that one of the best things we can
• 2:01:47
  ever do is camps and You know, where we see the biggest changes happen in kids
• 2:01:52
  and families is when we go away, we camp, we take the horses, we camp, it's like
• 2:01:58
  the journey we did in Mongolia, but not as difficult, but it's quite basic, and
• 2:02:03
  people are sleeping on the ground and walking around on the ground and being
• 2:02:07
  outside in nature all day and we tend to see The charm is, is if it's a three
• 2:02:13
  night camp, that third night, the waking up after that third night seems to bring
• 2:02:18
  a massive metabolic and brain change.
• 2:02:22
  This has been beginning to give me insights into why.
• 2:02:26
  So again.
• 2:02:29
  If I'm an equine assisted practitioner, what am I learning here?
• 2:02:33
  I'm learning that if I pay attention to mitochondria, I might find
• 2:02:37
  good solutions for my horses.
• 2:02:39
  I might find good solutions for my clients.
• 2:02:42
  I might find good solutions for myself.
• 2:02:44
  And the further I go into this, what, what makes good mitochondria?
• 2:02:50
  Well, it seems nature does.
• 2:02:52
  Light, natural light, you know, back, back to getting a bit
• 2:02:56
  cold sometimes, being outside.
• 2:02:59
  Back to what Temple Grandin told me, you know, go outside, go
• 2:03:02
  outside, go outside, let them move.
• 2:03:04
  Isn't it interesting how we can break down all of these things that
• 2:03:09
  really just tell us, lads, your environment is out there on the planet.
• 2:03:15
  In here, in front of this screen.
• 2:03:17
  Don't know how many times I've got to tell you, but you're an organism.
• 2:03:19
  You need a habitat.
• 2:03:20
  It ain't here.
• 2:03:21
  It's not in this tank.
• 2:03:22
  It's out there.
• 2:03:23
  And, feeling a bit shit?
• 2:03:25
  It's because you're a zoo animal.
• 2:03:26
  Get out there.
• 2:03:27
  Into your habitat.
• 2:03:28
  But, if we're raised in the zoo habitats, we don't know this, do we?
• 2:03:33
  Shea Stewart: No, we don't.
• 2:03:33
  And we're not taught this.
• 2:03:35
  And we, we are meant to be grounded 24 hours a day.
• 2:03:42
  Rupert Isaacson: Right.
• 2:03:43
  Shea Stewart: And how often are we getting that?
• 2:03:45
  Rupert Isaacson: You know, the best I've ever felt is on long journeys in
• 2:03:48
  nature, camping, living with Bushmen.
• 2:03:52
  us on the ground.
• 2:03:54
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, I used to go on wild camping trips and I looking back, I always
• 2:04:01
  remember it was really hard to integrate, integrate back into the society.
• 2:04:11
  Yeah.
• 2:04:11
  Yeah.
• 2:04:12
  And you know, the other thing that grounding does, I didn't
• 2:04:15
  mention is our, our blood cells.
• 2:04:18
  Our blood cells travel, you know, through our body in a vortex shape, and the cells
• 2:04:24
  actually have that negative charge, so that means they push against each other.
• 2:04:30
  And if we don't get grounding, we don't get that charge.
• 2:04:35
  The blood cells start to clump together and they call, they
• 2:04:40
  actually call it stacking.
• 2:04:42
  So the cells start to stack and they've done, there's been some studies on
• 2:04:47
  this where they took someone, you know, they drew blood, looked at it through
• 2:04:52
  a microscope, took him out to ground.
• 2:04:55
  And the one study that I recently read, she was out there 10 minutes, bare feet.
• 2:05:01
  It was on a beach.
• 2:05:03
  So you're going to get.
• 2:05:04
  More when you're at the ocean, it came back and her, they drew blood,
• 2:05:10
  looked at her blood cells and all, and they had that nice charge.
• 2:05:15
  They were completely different.
• 2:05:19
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 2:05:21
  As always, the answers to the complicated questions seem to be quite simple.
• 2:05:27
  Shea Stewart: Yes.
• 2:05:31
  Nature does not lie.
• 2:05:32
  Rupert Isaacson: Isn't it interesting how we'd also rather go to a store
• 2:05:36
  and spend money on a product than just go outside and take our shoes off?
• 2:05:40
  It's
• 2:05:43
  Shea Stewart: I know, that's the thing.
• 2:05:45
  We've got all these products now when we can just go outside.
• 2:05:50
  We've got the red light, well we can just go outside.
• 2:05:54
  We've got the grounding stuff, or we can just go outside.
• 2:06:00
  And I think that's why kids do so well with horses, especially if they're
• 2:06:06
  living an indoor lifestyle, because they're getting, they're getting the
• 2:06:10
  grounding, they're touching the animal, they're getting the electrons, they're
• 2:06:17
  getting the different rays of sunlight.
• 2:06:23
  So there's, and there's science behind all of this.
• 2:06:29
  And I encourage people to read it like if you're worried about eye
• 2:06:34
  diseases or skin cancers, read, read the studies that are out there.
• 2:06:40
  It's, it's, it's not it's, it's the indoor life that's causing these problems.
• 2:06:45
  It's the artificial light.
• 2:06:47
  We've been part of nature, you know, as long as How long have humans been
• 2:06:56
  around and a lot of these diseases,
• 2:06:59
  Rupert Isaacson: if you, if it's hominids that are not sapiens
• 2:07:02
  sapiens, it goes into the millions.
• 2:07:04
  Yeah.
• 2:07:05
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 2:07:05
  Millions.
• 2:07:06
  Yeah.
• 2:07:06
  Cause it's, it's
• 2:07:08
  Rupert Isaacson: our species is, they think 300, 000, but we're just the
• 2:07:11
  bottom end of a long chain of other ones.
• 2:07:14
  Yeah.
• 2:07:14
  Shea Stewart: Mammals.
• 2:07:15
  How long have we been mammals?
• 2:07:16
  I should say, cause
• 2:07:18
  Rupert Isaacson: Since, I think, the Jurassic, the first mammals
• 2:07:21
  appear, as far as I know.
• 2:07:23
  Shea Stewart: Actually, didn't we Or is
• 2:07:25
  Rupert Isaacson: it even Triassic?
• 2:07:30
  Shea Stewart: So, as long as there's been mammals, we've had mitochondria,
• 2:07:37
  and, and our mitochondria is designed to
• 2:07:41
  Rupert Isaacson: 225 million years, and it is the late Triassic,
• 2:07:46
  even before the Jurassic, wow.
• 2:07:49
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, I've actually,
• 2:07:52
  I've, I've seen graphs of health decline that
• 2:07:59
  matched lighting environment
• 2:08:04
  matched the increase in wifi and all that, like my phone, I don't have
• 2:08:11
  the wifi on on my phone and I have, I turned some little thing off so it
• 2:08:16
  won't, it won't attach to 5g towers.
• 2:08:21
  And I don't use Bluetooth because that's the other thing that's even
• 2:08:26
  like the worst of all of them.
• 2:08:28
  Like those, yeah, those blue tooth.
• 2:08:31
  earbuds, don't use them.
• 2:08:34
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 2:08:34
  Why not
• 2:08:35
  Shea Stewart: get the tube ones?
• 2:08:36
  Because Bluetooth is another electromagnetic field.
• 2:08:40
  And there's been studies on that where it's, it's degrading the melanin in
• 2:08:45
  your ear and things like tinnitus and all kinds of stuff they're finding
• 2:08:53
  linked to those Bluetooth earbuds.
• 2:08:59
  Rupert Isaacson: What if you've got Bluetooth in your, you're listening to
• 2:09:02
  you're mucking out your You're dancing or you're mucking out your, your stools
• 2:09:07
  to a Bluetooth speaker off your phone?
• 2:09:11
  Shea Stewart: I would hardwire it.
• 2:09:15
  I know I'm taking all the fun away, especially if you like tech gadgets.
• 2:09:19
  Rupert Isaacson: How would you hardwire it?
• 2:09:21
  You'd, you'd, you'd plug a speaker into the phone?
• 2:09:25
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, you can do like an auxiliary.
• 2:09:27
  Rupert Isaacson: Mm hmm.
• 2:09:28
  Shea Stewart: I've got an auxiliary cord and that's what
• 2:09:30
  I plug my phone into my car.
• 2:09:32
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 2:09:33
  Shea Stewart: So I don't use Bluetooth.
• 2:09:35
  And, and that made a big difference in how I felt because I drive a lot.
• 2:09:38
  Rupert Isaacson: And
• 2:09:40
  Shea Stewart: I always crack a window to let the light come in because
• 2:09:44
  that's the other thing we didn't talk about is, is windows in a, in
• 2:09:51
  a, because they're energy efficient, they're blocking out all the red light.
• 2:09:58
  But if you just crack it a little bit.
• 2:10:01
  It's like, imagine the light is, is an ocean outside, and you crack
• 2:10:07
  a little bit, that water's going to come in and fill the room.
• 2:10:10
  That's what the outdoor light will do.
• 2:10:14
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay, so you need ventilation not just for
• 2:10:19
  oxygen, you need it for light.
• 2:10:22
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, and there are, there's a company, I think it's
• 2:10:26
  called Tech Wellness, they, they sell those ear, ear pods that are
• 2:10:32
  attached with a tube to your phone.
• 2:10:35
  So you're not using the Bluetooth.
• 2:10:38
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay,
• 2:10:41
  good to know.
• 2:10:42
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, anything, anything, any smart device.
• 2:10:45
  I've gone back to Ethernet and hardwiring things.
• 2:10:54
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, it's tricky because, you know,
• 2:10:56
  we all live on our phones.
• 2:10:57
  We have to live on our phones.
• 2:10:58
  We, we, you know, I'm checking for the next appointment.
• 2:11:01
  We know when I'm out there, it's handy that I can be connected.
• 2:11:06
  So I can do my emails and make a business call from the saddle.
• 2:11:09
  You know, it's good outside, but
• 2:11:13
  Shea Stewart: just don't keep your phone on your body.
• 2:11:16
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 2:11:16
  Shea Stewart: I
• 2:11:18
  Rupert Isaacson: mean, where can I, where can I keep it if
• 2:11:20
  I'm, if it's not on my body?
• 2:11:23
  Shea Stewart: That, well, you know, what you can do is put it in airplane
• 2:11:26
  mode when you're not using it and that at least will prevent you from being,
• 2:11:33
  getting that radiation from the phone.
• 2:11:36
  Rupert Isaacson: So for example, if you, you're a parent, you've got young kids,
• 2:11:39
  you've got to be on call, you can't.
• 2:11:43
  You don't have the luxury of switching off anymore.
• 2:11:46
  You, you know, if someone gives you a call about your kids,
• 2:11:48
  you've got to be there to take it.
• 2:11:49
  Work calls, blah, blah, blah.
• 2:11:51
  That phone has got to be there.
• 2:11:53
  You're moving around.
• 2:11:54
  Where, where, where, where, where can you have it?
• 2:11:57
  Shea Stewart: You can, you can buy these pockets that you can put your
• 2:12:02
  phone in that are, that shield.
• 2:12:06
  And I think Tech Wellness has them, but they're, they're
• 2:12:09
  electromagnetic field shielders.
• 2:12:12
  Like, if you Google, if you Google that, those will come up.
• 2:12:16
  Like Faraday.
• 2:12:17
  If you put
• 2:12:18
  Rupert Isaacson: tinfoil in your pocket, would that help?
• 2:12:20
  Shea Stewart: I don't, I don't know.
• 2:12:21
  You could try it.
• 2:12:22
  Those, they're called, they make something called a Faraday bag.
• 2:12:26
  Rupert Isaacson: You can actually
• 2:12:27
  Shea Stewart: get a You know, net put over your bed, but I wouldn't do that
• 2:12:31
  because that's going to block out the natural earth's natural rhythms as well.
• 2:12:35
  But you can, you can buy little phone holders that, that do protect you.
• 2:12:43
  Cause even in the phone pamphlet, it says not to hold them up to your ear.
• 2:12:47
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 2:12:48
  Shea Stewart: That can cause, you know, brain cancers and you're not supposed
• 2:12:53
  to put them anywhere on your body.
• 2:12:55
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 2:12:56
  But it's very, very hard not to put them in a pocket when you're riding,
• 2:12:59
  when you're working, when you're.
• 2:13:01
  So even if it's in a pocket, let's say it's in a jacket pocket, separated by
• 2:13:05
  three layers of material from your body.
• 2:13:07
  I
• 2:13:09
  Shea Stewart: would probably still either put some block in there, put one of those
• 2:13:14
  fabrics, silver, I think, blocks it.
• 2:13:17
  Or buy something to put it in that blocks all that.
• 2:13:22
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 2:13:23
  Shea Stewart: Cause you don't want it.
• 2:13:23
  You don't want that exposure on yourself and transferring to your horse and
• 2:13:30
  everybody rides with their cell phone.
• 2:13:32
  I used to ride with mine and my riding pants had a special little cell phone.
• 2:13:37
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah,
• 2:13:38
  Shea Stewart: but when my body started falling apart, that's when I got
• 2:13:42
  serious about making these changes.
• 2:13:47
  And my brain, my body and my brain.
• 2:13:50
  I, I got, I was afraid I was getting dementia.
• 2:13:54
  It was so bad.
• 2:13:56
  I still get little bouts of it.
• 2:13:58
  But a lot of things have changed.
• 2:14:00
  Even my hair has grown back.
• 2:14:03
  Rupert Isaacson: Have you, do you feel that you're, that there's been
• 2:14:05
  a big change in you in say the last?
• 2:14:08
  24 months.
• 2:14:09
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 2:14:11
  Rupert Isaacson: It's interesting that you say that, Shay, because
• 2:14:14
  I'm used to you speaking very articulately but very slowly.
• 2:14:19
  And I always just thought, oh, that's because she's just very deep and
• 2:14:23
  has a lot to say and you know, there is, there is obviously that is true.
• 2:14:28
  But it's, this is the first conversation that I've had with you
• 2:14:30
  that has been at a more natural pace.
• 2:14:35
  It's interesting.
• 2:14:36
  Shea Stewart: Interesting.
• 2:14:37
  Yeah,
• 2:14:37
  Rupert Isaacson: you're, you're, you're faster than you were on our last
• 2:14:42
  interaction, two interactions, I think.
• 2:14:45
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 2:14:45
  I mean, I, I get shy and get a little
• 2:14:48
  Rupert Isaacson: Now I'm going to make you close up because I said that.
• 2:14:50
  Shea Stewart: I know.
• 2:14:51
  I, I really, I seriously thought I was developing and I probably was getting
• 2:14:59
  some dementia and it, it coincided with.
• 2:15:02
  A few things that brought me inside more.
• 2:15:06
  I was on my computer more.
• 2:15:08
  We had the stronger WiFi.
• 2:15:10
  My circadian rhythm was messed up.
• 2:15:17
  But even, even my hair, I was losing a lot of hair and it's grown back.
• 2:15:23
  Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
• 2:15:24
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 2:15:24
  And they say that's one of the first signs of
• 2:15:30
  improvement in your health is when your hair starts to grow back.
• 2:15:33
  Rupert Isaacson: Mitochondrial joy expressing itself through the hair.
• 2:15:39
  Yep.
• 2:15:43
  All right.
• 2:15:44
  Well, I think let's wrap it up here for now.
• 2:15:48
  I think that we've definitely drawn people's attention to the importance
• 2:15:52
  of mitochondria for humans and horses.
• 2:15:56
  We've drawn people's attention to why natural environments, as much
• 2:16:01
  as possible, including lighting and so on, are helpful in this.
• 2:16:07
  We've gone a little bit too far.
• 2:16:09
  down the rabbit hole of the difficulties of our modern age with
• 2:16:15
  5g Electronic devices everywhere but things that we can do to mitigate this
• 2:16:21
  and also the types of lighting and so on
• 2:16:26
  I really would encourage listeners go check out shay stewart.
• 2:16:32
  We have all of her websites in that, you know, it On the written bit,
• 2:16:43
  but Shay, could you also just for those readers who like to hear it?
• 2:16:49
  Can you just tell us how they can get in touch with you and
• 2:16:52
  how they can consult with you?
• 2:16:55
  Shea Stewart: Probably through my website, which is equinebalance.
• 2:16:59
  net and or my probably through there.
• 2:17:08
  I don't go, I have a Facebook page, equine balance.
• 2:17:13
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 2:17:13
  Equine balance, equine balance.net
• 2:17:15
  or the Facebook page, equine balance.
• 2:17:17
  There's good shit on that Facebook page.
• 2:17:19
  I've, I've read some amazing things.
• 2:17:20
  What I didn't get to this time was something in your last post, which is do
• 2:17:26
  humans actually photosynthesize because Oh
• 2:17:30
  Shea Stewart: yeah.
• 2:17:31
  Yep.
• 2:17:31
  We do.
• 2:17:32
  Rupert Isaacson: Just quickly, it sounds rather like we do with this light
• 2:17:35
  thing as a, as the closing thought.
• 2:17:37
  How, how do humans photosynthesize.
• 2:17:41
  Shea Stewart: Well, we take light and turn that light into energy.
• 2:17:46
  So, that's how humans photosynthesize.
• 2:17:50
  Rupert Isaacson: It's not something you think about us doing, is it?
• 2:17:53
  Shea Stewart: No.
• 2:17:54
  You say
• 2:17:54
  Rupert Isaacson: you're vegetating.
• 2:17:55
  It's like, yes, yes, I'm busy photosynthesizing over here, actually.
• 2:17:59
  Shea Stewart: Yeah, and some of it is through the melanin in our skin.
• 2:18:05
  Absorbs frequencies of light and then liberates that into electrons.
• 2:18:10
  Yeah.
• 2:18:10
  Yeah.
• 2:18:10
  Yeah.
• 2:18:11
  And that's photo, that's photosynthesis.
• 2:18:14
  Rupert Isaacson: Brilliant.
• 2:18:17
  Just a shame.
• 2:18:17
  That's, it's a shame that we're not producing oxygen as we do it.
• 2:18:21
  Wouldn't that be nice for the planet?
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  Or are we
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  Shea Stewart: We are our, our mitochondria does, our mitochondria does a lot.
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  They're very,
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  Rupert Isaacson: are, are we, are we shoving that oxygen
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  back out into the world?
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  Like a tree Does not
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  Shea Stewart: No.
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  Rupert Isaacson: No.
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  Sadly
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  Shea Stewart: no.
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  Sadly
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  Rupert Isaacson: for the trees, no.
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  But no, not for the trees.
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  'cause we're giving them carbon dioxide.
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  They love that.
• 2:18:43
  Shea Stewart: Yeah.
• 2:18:43
  And they, they need that.
• 2:18:44
  Rupert Isaacson: They
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  Shea Stewart: need that.
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  Rupert Isaacson: I hope they're grateful.
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  It's been a treat.
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  Will you come on again?
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  Shea Stewart: I would love to.
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  People are interested in this stuff.
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  I could talk about it all day.
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  I know.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
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  And full disclosure, we just share and I will likely be doing.
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  We did it last year, at least an online series of little seminars together.
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  I'd love to do one physically, but you're eight bazillion miles away.
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  And whenever I'm in Texas, it's like zoom through.
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  It would be great to do maybe a retreat at some point with no 5G.
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  Maybe we should talk about that.
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  Rebooting our mitochondria.
• 2:19:36
  That would be a cool retreat, actually.
• 2:19:39
  Maybe we should talk about that.
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  Okay.
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  Listen, as you heard it here, get on the waiting list for our show.
• 2:19:48
  Come and sort out your mitochondrias.
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  Well,
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  Shea Stewart: we'll reconnect to nature and know why now we'll,
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  we'll actually know what it's doing and why it's so important.
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  I think that's, that's my main message is to get it out there.
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  Not only, you know, we say, oh, we need to connect to nature,
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  but we, there's a reason, there's a physical, biological reason.
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  Our physiology depends on it.
• 2:20:19
  Rupert Isaacson: Absolutely, it does.
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  Absolutely, it does.
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  And so, yes, those of us in the equine assisted field, we're
• 2:20:25
  trying to help the physiology.
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  Because the psychology is, is the physiology of others and
• 2:20:31
  ourselves, mitochondria, nature.
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  Thank you.
• 2:20:38
  Shea Stewart: Thank you.
• 2:20:39
  Thank you for having me on.
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  And
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  Rupert Isaacson: you're just the coolest person, Shay.
• 2:20:44
  Shea Stewart: I
• 2:20:45
  Rupert Isaacson: always find out like 27 things I didn't know in
• 2:20:48
  like a given minute with you.
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  It's, it's extraordinary.
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  I like to be made to feel dumb.
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  It's good.
• 2:20:54
  It's healthy character building.
• 2:20:59
  All right, then.
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  So till the next time.
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  Thank you again and hopefully speak soon.
• 2:21:05
  Shea Stewart: Thank you.
• 2:21:05
  Thank you.
• 2:21:06
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