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INTERVIEW: TIWA Savage Talks 'This One Is Personal,' Davido, Tyla, Afrobeats, Ageism, Dating, Healing + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day Breakfast Club. You don't feels for y'all done?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's the world most dangerous morning to show the
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  Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Charlamage the God DJ NV just hilarious, justin
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  Speaker 2: and beyond here today. But Lauren Lerosa is and we
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  Speaker 2: got a special guest in the building. She had a
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  Speaker 2: new album came out in August called This One Is Personal?
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  Speaker 2: Personal t Y Savage, good morning.
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  Speaker 1: How you feeling.
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  Speaker 3: I'm good. I feel blessed.
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  Speaker 4: Every time I run into you in New York. You
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  Speaker 4: just always look amazing. Really, yes, I love literally, You're
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  Speaker 4: one of my favorite people to just run into because
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  Speaker 4: it just be so effortless every.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you in the same places as Lauren? Why
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  Speaker 1: are you in the same places as I?
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  Speaker 4: Like, she's in all these great places because she's this
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  Speaker 4: huge superstar.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you know what You're right, Let me change my perspective.
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  Speaker 4: I was able to say something to you, but not
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  Speaker 4: in front of company. Some things you.
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  Speaker 3: Need to check you're going to be best behavior.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the name of this album, This One is personal.
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  Speaker 2: When I'm looking into the album, the first thing I
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  Speaker 2: think is who is the main inspired this?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? It was, it was. It was hard. It was,
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  Speaker 3: But honestly, I think I feel like it's like a
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  Speaker 3: combination of different scenarios. I think that there's different things
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  Speaker 3: that I've gone through that I really haven't I hadn't
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  Speaker 3: dealt with and I was just moving and just going
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  Speaker 3: on to different things. So it's just the last one
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  Speaker 3: was just really like it was really bad.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was really.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to give him too much credit because
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing way better than him, so I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to kick him while he's down.
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  Speaker 1: So what there's specific moments are events that you drew
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  Speaker 1: on while making this album.
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  Speaker 3: Every single thing was something. It wasn't like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like when you're writing or you're in the studio and
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  Speaker 3: you're kind of fabricating stuff. No, everything was like exactly
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  Speaker 3: what I went through, every single emotion, every single line,
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  Speaker 3: everything was like, yeah, it was deep. So and that
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  Speaker 3: was really important for me for this project because doing
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  Speaker 3: Aphrobe a lot of times is about feel good, right.
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  Speaker 3: I decided to take a leap of faith and just
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  Speaker 3: really put out my heart, which we don't really get
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  Speaker 3: in in aphrob.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting because you know, when I'm here now, it
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  Speaker 2: does sound like it's more traditional R and B. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: So you think it's I don't want to say impossible,
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  Speaker 2: but it's hard to deliver these kind of messages with afrobeats.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so. But for me it was hard
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  Speaker 3: for me because I'm from I fell in love with
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  Speaker 3: R and B. That's like, that was what really got
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  Speaker 3: me into doing music. Like you know, I saw Brandy
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  Speaker 3: and that's how I was like, yeah, I started shedding
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  Speaker 3: Brandy and listened to Brandy. So for me, that's my
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  Speaker 3: comfort zone. So when I want to listen to something
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  Speaker 3: to evoke some kind of emotion, I go back to
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  Speaker 3: my R and B playlist. So I had to go
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  Speaker 3: back to that for me. I mean, other people can
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  Speaker 3: can do it with aphrobe but it wasn't it's not
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  Speaker 3: typically what I would do. Yes, So I went back
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  Speaker 3: to my first love.
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  Speaker 4: I could feel the Brandy in it. But even too,
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  Speaker 4: I think the sound and softness of your voice on
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  Speaker 4: some of the songs, which I don't probably do a purpose.
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  Speaker 4: It's just your voice, but it is very Brandy reminiscent.
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  Speaker 3: Like nah, she's like my mentor man, like she's like yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The reason why I even really really got into music was, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: just studying her, like studying her harmonies, her vocal air
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  Speaker 3: and everything was just yeah, man.
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  Speaker 4: Do you guys have a personal relationship too, We're just
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  Speaker 4: like aspirational mentor.
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  Speaker 3: Well we have a song together. So we've done a
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  Speaker 3: song together called Somebody's Son, And yeah, definitely obviously worked
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  Speaker 3: with her, did the video and we're still you know,
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  Speaker 3: in DMS and things were still Yeah, yeah, she's she's incredible.
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  Speaker 3: You know they always say, don't meet your idol es. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: it was, yeah, she was. It was completely different. I
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  Speaker 3: was so in awe of her, Like recording it in
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  Speaker 3: the studio, I couldn't even stay.
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  Speaker 4: I had to leave the studio.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I couldn't stay. Like wow, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was like did that fuck with your performance?
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  Speaker 1: Was that message your performance?
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  Speaker 3: Like do you feel like oh, I'd already recorded my part.
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  Speaker 3: So when I was just sitting there just listening to
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  Speaker 3: her in the studio, like I was just like wow,
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  Speaker 3: I remembered when I was just like thirteen fourteen. I
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  Speaker 3: had to just step out to be like, yoh God,
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  Speaker 3: are you really doing this for me? Is this really
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  Speaker 3: happening here? It was like a blessing of.
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  Speaker 2: How did you decide which stories you were ready to
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  Speaker 2: share on this album and which ones you want to
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  Speaker 2: keep private.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't keep anything I did. I just I put
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  Speaker 3: everything out like. I was just like, yeah, I need
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  Speaker 3: to and a lot of people doubted. A lot of
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  Speaker 3: you know, people were like, m it's a bit too personal.
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  Speaker 3: People are not really going to relate. It's a bit
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  Speaker 3: too musical because I had like on ten percent, for instance,
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  Speaker 3: I had like live instruments. I went to Nashville and
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  Speaker 3: those are live horns, live guitars, live drum, live bass.
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  Speaker 3: I even had like, instead of some songs, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: put like a second verse, I put like a musical break.
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  Speaker 3: And people are like, no, in the world of TikTok,
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  Speaker 3: no one's really gonna no, one's really going to mess
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  Speaker 3: with this type of music. So it was just like, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: this is I studied music, so I need to I
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  Speaker 3: need to go back to my root. And I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: worried about streams or anything like. Seriously, I really.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't such an interesting song because you say that your
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  Speaker 2: phone was in the studio from some guys somebody signed.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, seriously no, it was in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: the session. Yes, And I went to get some yes,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm not like literally like I just got out
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  Speaker 3: of that situation and I was like, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: be outside. I don't care like I want to just
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  Speaker 3: you know, just be wild. And yeah, I got I
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  Speaker 3: got a message and it was just like come over
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, then I got a picture and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh my god, did you why
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  Speaker 3: that's something?
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  Speaker 4: It was a picture, not a video though, that was
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  Speaker 4: a picture.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we called it, we call it being digmatized.
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  Speaker 4: Wa.
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  Speaker 2: You're in the middle of a studio session. You work
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  Speaker 2: towards your goals and your dreams.
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  Speaker 3: And just ca yeah, because you know, it's like you know,
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  Speaker 3: like when you're going to the gym, you're learning to
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  Speaker 3: work out so you can you free your mind.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, your phone was on ten percent though, did it
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  Speaker 4: die in the car?
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  Speaker 3: You just know I was fast, That's what I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was. I was getting fast. I was I was
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  Speaker 3: telling my driver like, you need to hurry out because
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  Speaker 3: you know, when I get to his place, I want
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  Speaker 3: to be able to call him and be like I'm downstairs.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't have to drive if they had a charger.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, I was my car, but was my driver
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  Speaker 3: charge in your No, I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: You were about the wrong thing. She was in the
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  Speaker 4: back spring on the little sprit spray get look right
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  Speaker 4: like she was getting you ready, already ready.
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  Speaker 1: It was hold on that you got your mind cleared
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  Speaker 1: and you went back to the studio.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't go back that day. Iay, I know, I
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  Speaker 3: was like I was in the rush. He wasn't trying
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  Speaker 3: to kick me.
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  Speaker 4: You spend the night, what day?
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  Speaker 3: Forget a bit now.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to know creatively, what came to you
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  Speaker 2: after you.
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  Speaker 4: Addicted?
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: And it said it took you two years to make
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  Speaker 2: this album, Yeah it did. Why because what were some
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  Speaker 2: of the biggest challenges.
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  Speaker 3: I would stop and start. Initially, I would like a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people trying to convince me to go more
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  Speaker 3: afro beat. So I would be in the studio and
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  Speaker 3: I'll record a lot, and then I'll listen to it
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  Speaker 3: and I'll start and I'll say, no, I want to
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  Speaker 3: really do this type of project that's R and B leaning,
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  Speaker 3: and I have to do it in my full chest.
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  Speaker 3: I can't just dabble like I've been doing for years.
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  Speaker 3: So it took me two years to just and also
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  Speaker 3: like mentally to be ready emotionally to get through that,
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  Speaker 3: to be able to sing sing, sing, And I think
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  Speaker 3: when you're when you want to do like R and
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  Speaker 3: B records, you have to singing. You can't just I
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  Speaker 3: can kind of get away with it sometimes enough for me,
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  Speaker 3: but vocally I had to get my chops up, so
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  Speaker 3: it took me a while. Do you get a pushback
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  Speaker 3: from some fans because like, you know, I know you dibble,
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  Speaker 3: dabble into R and B, but now this project is
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  Speaker 3: very much R and B.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like afrobeats? Are they? How do they
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  Speaker 4: feel about that? You're fans?
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  Speaker 3: My real fans really know that this is what I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to do. Anybody else I don't care. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: seeking their opinion. Yeah, so I don't. But to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: I've gotten so much love, yes, from even people that
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  Speaker 3: weren't my fans, people who didn't even really listen to
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  Speaker 3: your savage for instance, to be like yo, and a
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  Speaker 3: lot of them don't even know I'm like jan so
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  Speaker 3: they're like yeah, but they think I'm just like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: an American singing like and they're like, who's this new whatever?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yo, she's African. Wow. Like, so it's
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  Speaker 3: opening me up to like a whole new audience.
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  Speaker 4: I was talking about how crazy it is. When I
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  Speaker 4: was seeing you around for fashion week. There were a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people that I was with who didn't know
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  Speaker 4: who you were. But because you were so gorgeous and like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you're performing and you're walking in the shows,
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  Speaker 4: They're like, who is this girl?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know her?
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  Speaker 4: But coming over here to the US, there probably are
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people, even though you've been back and forth,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that are discovering you. Now, what is that
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  Speaker 4: like for you because you've been here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know a lot of artists find it hard
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  Speaker 3: because they're so big in their territory or whatever. They
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  Speaker 3: find it hard to like, I don't know if it's
• 9:36
  Speaker 3: an ego thing, but they find it hard to like
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  Speaker 3: go somewhere where maybe nobody knows who they are. Yeah, Like,
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  Speaker 3: and I love that. I actually think that it's an
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  Speaker 3: opportunity for me to reintroduce myself again and like learn
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  Speaker 3: from maybe stuff that I've done and where people actually
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  Speaker 3: know me and they know things about me that yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to like shy away from. So for me,
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  Speaker 3: this is my introduction again to like a new market.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. I love going to like you said,
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  Speaker 3: places and they don't know, they don't know who I am,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm just introducing myself. I'm starting all over again,
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  Speaker 3: but this time I'm starting better because I've learned. Now
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  Speaker 3: there's certain things that I may not do or I
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  Speaker 3: may do it.
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  Speaker 2: But when people look you up, you know, they say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: she's the Queen of AfroB that's that's an expectation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I know that.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: You always reject the title quick, why is it?
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  Speaker 3: I don't reject it, but I feel like i've you know,
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  Speaker 3: when I've embraced it in the past, they feel like
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  Speaker 3: I've done it and I've excluded other women or I've
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: felt like I'm the only one. And so now I
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: try to explain that, Yeah, I do embrace it. I
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  Speaker 3: love it. I'm not shying away from it. But there
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  Speaker 3: are other other women that you know should get that
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  Speaker 3: or should get that. I get that spotlight.
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  Speaker 1: You think people put African artists in a box.
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  Speaker 3: All the time. I think even with award shows, like
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: you go to award shows and then there's a whole
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  Speaker 3: continent in one category, like an aprob B category and
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  Speaker 3: then you're like, I'm not doing what Berner's doing. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not doing what Tyler's doing or whatever. It's just a
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  Speaker 3: whole different like it's a continent, like we speak different languages.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, for me, it was really important for
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  Speaker 3: me to also do this for them not to put
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  Speaker 3: me in a box because I can't like R and
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  Speaker 3: B is you know my background, and I can do
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  Speaker 3: it authentically well, and I want that to be able
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: to inspire other people where you know, they want to
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: do a hip hop art album and you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean, do it well if you're going to do it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, just because you're from a certain place doesn't
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  Speaker 3: mean you should only do that type of music.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting to see how musical award shows
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  Speaker 2: recognize this album, right, because yeah, because it should be
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  Speaker 2: in the R and B Cady right in the know and.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's nerve wrecking for me too. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: But again, I think I've just blocked my mind to
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  Speaker 3: like I'm not doing it forwards, I'm not doing it forever.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing it for like my core fans, Like that's
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  Speaker 3: that's the only way I can Otherwise I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: been able to do it. I would have snuck in
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: more aphrobeat records, more aphrobeat features and collapse, and it
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  Speaker 3: would defeat the purpose, Like I wouldn't I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: doing it with my full test. Yeah, so I need
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  Speaker 3: to I needed to get away from that.
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  Speaker 4: What's the background of your like, like, where does your
• 12:34
  Speaker 4: love for R and B come from? Because looking you up,
• 12:36
  Speaker 4: I saw that you wrote for Monica prior to you
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: do back you sung back up from Mary J.
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  Speaker 3: Blanche.
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: You put vocals on one of Winnie Houston's Houston's last albums.
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  Speaker 4: How did you fall? Like you don't you know not
• 12:48
  Speaker 4: even how did you fall? You don't fall into that
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: type of stuff, So what was the journey getting to
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  Speaker 4: that point of those things?
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  Speaker 3: It was It's like a snowball effect. So I was
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: in London. I started I went for backup, like the
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: auditions for like backup singing. I got it. I was
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: like excited, like yo, I'm getting paid to do this,
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: Like this is crazy. And then from there I'm watching
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  Speaker 3: TV I see I want to be down Brandy and
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  Speaker 3: I'm just obsessed by it. So I just really started
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: studying studying her, and then you just get into like
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: this rabbit hole where you're now discovering Monica and SWV
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  Speaker 3: and Mary J. Blige and it's just going and going,
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  Speaker 3: and then I'm just getting good at it, like and
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: then I'm getting gigs from just doing backup vocals from
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  Speaker 3: doing backup vocals. My dad. My dad is like, you
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: can't do music unless you study for music African parents,
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like right. So my first degree was an
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: account So I did accounts, gave him the degree. I said,
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: I want to go into music. He said, no, you
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: have to study music. I'm like that, Michael Jackson did
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  Speaker 3: not go to school with music, Like that's not what
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  Speaker 3: we do, and he forced me to go. In an
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  Speaker 3: audition for Berkeley and Boston. I got a full scholarship.
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  Speaker 3: Studied jazz, and then I studied songwriting and then like, yeah,
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: I just studied building my resume from there. Wow, that's
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: pretty insane.
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  Speaker 1: On the song I'm Done, you say you don't want
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  Speaker 1: to love again?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel that way for real?
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  Speaker 3: I really, I really do.
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  Speaker 1: What Yeah, gotta be careful what you say to the universe.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I know, I know, And I just that
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  Speaker 3: place was dark, you know, it was really for me
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  Speaker 3: to I, Ah, I'm scared that someone's gonna come or
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  Speaker 3: the right person's gonna come, and I'm just gonna project
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  Speaker 3: my trauma on them. Yeah, that's because I'm going to
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: give everything. I'm really honestly going to give everything. And
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  Speaker 3: can I really do that again? And just unless God
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  Speaker 3: opens up the heavens and says, this is my child,
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  Speaker 3: this is who you're supposed to be with. I can't.
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  Speaker 3: I can't see myself opening up like that again.
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  Speaker 1: But if God is, if you know that you have unhealed.
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  Speaker 3: Trumple, yeah, I would say about seventy percent eight I am.
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  Speaker 3: I'm still doing it every day. I still yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: still do it.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't want to meet somebody until you are
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: a more healed version.
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  Speaker 3: Of Yeah, I need to be completely like got you? Yeah, completely,
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  Speaker 3: one hundred percent whole.
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  Speaker 1: Because right now you're just toxic.
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  Speaker 3: No I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: No way, are you hurt still?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: I think nah that that situation, all those situations is done. No,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just a bit. I'm just wary man,
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  Speaker 3: because I can't I don't believe words. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe Yeah, I don't believe. I don't believe words.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm hard now, Like, yeah, you have to
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: you have to really come hard.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: You said this albums therapeutic for you. It was, so
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: have you ever actually gone to there?
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, And I still do.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Like before it used to be regular, like a couple
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: of times a week, but now it's like as of
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: when I need it, Like if I feel like, okay,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I need to just talk to someone about something, yeah,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: then I still do. And I think we don't talk
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: about it a lot in my culture. Yeah, yeah, it's
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: a stigma.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's just black people all across the.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: World here as well.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's changed.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: I feel like more you guys are more open to it.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: It's changed over the last several years.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. So, yeah, you're not. And Niger's like, what, no,
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: just go to church, I believe right here.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: I think it depends on the age of the person
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: you're talking to. Certain age of like it's like older
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: I know, like my family, older black women in my
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: family will tell you just go to church, but they
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: mean you need to speak to someone, yes, yeah, and
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: all the things. But we younger will say you should
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: probably do therapy or talk to a friend or something
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but a lot of people use chat
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: for therapy. Yeah, a lot of people say to me,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: you're wasting your money, just put it into the chat.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what crazy?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: When did you realize that you just didn't want to
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: love again? Though, because I feel like that's a temporary thing.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Because one, yeah, I love my son, Yes, absolutely right,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I love my team, I love you know, my friends.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I've been married before. I'm like, yeah, I'm not I'm
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: not young. I'm forty five. Yeah, I'm good.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: But you love other things like penis.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I come attached to I've gone.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Like maybe like three years without. I know, it's not
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: something like I really like I'm crazy.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: About Yeah, three hundred and sixty five days time time.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done that.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: So you don't need so so you have to be
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: in love to take it.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I don't have to be with someone for
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: me to even think about it. Like I don't have toys, like, yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I understand that.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I need to. Maybe that's what for my
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Christmas present. Maybe people should get me some toys right now.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Now, you have a whole bunch of roles just for Christmas.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: You're wondering why why all these boxes Buzzing't they're gonna
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: be checking them for bombs?
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: That go ahead.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say you you recently got your fans going.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: You're trying to figure out who you were talking about.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: You did an interview, You did an interview. You talk
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: about the secret romance, and you know this the celebrity
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: you were dating, and it had to be on the
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: low and they would do parties at the house and
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: you would stay away from the people when the parties
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: would be going on. Now people want to know who
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: to because people think you're talking about whiz Kid.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and you know, my shout out to Wiskit.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I love risk It, I respect Whisky is not about
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: as skined I said the person was a public figure,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: but I didn't he's not. He's not artist.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Oh so just like someone of them?
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah someone yeah, so yeah. Man. I woke up and
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I saw that and I was just like, oh my god,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: it's not Whisky. Yes not man, he's probably watching it, Like,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: what the how did I get jacked into this?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Shiit?
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Like, no, it's not No, it's not one hundred percent.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Were you wanting to like, because I mean, keeping it
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: private is a personal decision probably about both of you guys.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: But initially I was about to say, but it gives.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: That's how he.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Got me like, oh, you know, I cherished this so
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: much and I want this to be you know, I
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: want us to build a foundation, and and I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you know, this is amazing. And then before and then
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: people are like, yow, how can you let someone treat
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: you like that? Like and it's like it didn't just
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: go from zero to a hundred, Like the way men
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: work with your psyche is like they chip a little
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: bit and then before you know it, you're like, yo,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: how did I even get here? And yeah, so it's
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: like first it's like he doesn't want people to know.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Then the thing is like he'll change my name on
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: his phone, so if I'm calling him, people don't know
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: it's me or whatever. Then then it's like when we
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: go out, we go in separate place cars and we
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: leave separately. And then it's like, when we go out
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: you might see me with someone, it's because I don't
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: want people to know. And then it's and then it
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: just progressively just gets worse to the point where I'm
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: somewhere you're literally working the room, and you're telling me
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: it's because you don't want people to know.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: And when you say work in the room, you mean
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: dealing with other women.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: What did that do to you? Just mentally, because now
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of understanding the word that you don't want
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: to love again comes from. There's a lot to impact
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: and that's just one situation with one person.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, at the time, I didn't think it was that bad.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I didn't see how bad it was. Like my friends
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: are telling me you're crazy, like this is They're like,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: this guy's plea and I'm like, no, look, I understand.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: We haven't understanding. I know what he's doing, Like he
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: doesn't really like her, he's not You're just you're doing
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: this for me. And now now I'm talking about everyth
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: you guys, I'm like, I'm embarrassed even like how did
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I yo? Because I used to be that type of
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: person to look at girls, I break guy's cars and
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, I can never get to that point
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: where the guy will get me to And then now
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: that girl is like accepting bullshit, Like it's so it's
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: so embarrassing for me to know that I allow that
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: to happen.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I want you to know it comes off in the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: music because I think a lot of times when you
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: try to balance, you know, these themes of love and
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: heartbreak and faith, like sometimes you can feel performative rather
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: than authentic.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: But when I'm listening to it, I'm driving, like who
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: heard her? Like somebody did a number? How did you
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: navigate that?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: How did you navigate like balancing those themes to make
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: it feel authentic rather than performance.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I had the right people that I was working with,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the right writers. Yeah, I had. And it wasn't a lot.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like a camp where it's just like we're
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: trying to make hits.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I was very vulnerable with these people. Like for the
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: first I would say, even week we didn't make music,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: we were just hanging out in this house in Malibu
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: and I was just hearing their story and they were
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: hearing my story. So you know, it was more like
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: we bonded before we even started like recording, and yeah,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I was really really open and I said, listen, this
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: is like I'm due an album, I'm due a project,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: but I can't until I get this out, I can't
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: do anything else. And there was a lot of times
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I was crying, especially the first record. Yeah, that took
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: me like four attempts to record. Yeah, yeah that was.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: That was really Even now when I listened to the album,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I skip that. Yeah, I can't listen to it. I
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: haven't been able to perform it. Yeah, it's been, Yeah
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: it was. It was tough.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: So that's I was going to ask. The one song
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: on the album the hardest to write record is clearly
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I'm done.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm done done. Well yeah, But then I end
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: the record with Change with James funt Laury, where it's
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: basically just saying that I want to change back to
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: who God created me to be. So it's not changing
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: for a man, it's changing for changing for God. Going
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: back to a factory setting, like you.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Know interesting, Yeah, I don't know if you go back
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to factory setting.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: No, I think that you have these No, I think
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: you have these experiences and they they actually turn you
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: into a better version.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: But don't you rebooth? You know, when something's like when
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: something and you switch it off, like your phone, you
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: canletely switch it off and then switch it back on
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: because it's just tweaking. I think I was like I
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: needed to switch off.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: But what did you learn? Though? Like they always say,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not a loss if you learn something
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: from the.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Learned what I learned when it's red, When it's a
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: red flag, it is a red flag. It's not off red,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: it's not pink, it's not light red. It's what it is.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: And I'm learning to accept. So yeah, yeah, I'm just
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: that's that's the main thing, and just valuing myself and
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: knowing that really, yeah, I I wasn't the problem and
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I don't have to change for somebody, and I'm enough.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: You know all the you know, cliche type of things,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: but they're cliches because that's what it's. That's the truth.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: So but mainly, if someone shows you who they are,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: like really, just accept it from the first girl, like
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: save yourself the heartbreak.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Faith is another topic you examine, right, So, how has
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: your spirituality changed? I've grown after making this album.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I've always been a very like you know, I'm Christian.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I believe in Jesus, so I've always that. I think
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: it's just me going back, like I said, going back
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: to not just like I do this thing where I
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: just pray in the morning like quickly, like thank you
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Jesus for the day, and then that's it. But now
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I'm spending time yeah yeah, spending time with him and
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: knowing that it's important for me to take out time
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: in the day and be disciplined like that to me
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: has been like life changing.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So how to pray no more? Come about?
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Ooh? So pray no More is like what if I
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: was to be in a relationship again. That's the song,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Like I'm saying, like you could pray about your career,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: pray to God about money, pray to God about anything,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: but when it comes to me and my love and
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: my loyalty, you don't need to pray no more. You
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: got you got me?
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know that if you do grow to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: love somebody again, this is the real real.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah yea, yeah, you know you don't need to like
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: pray no more, say no more like you got me? Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I saw you were in the studio with Fab last night.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Mmm, you for me?
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Because you for me? You sampled the original song with TMA.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah h So we're getting a remix with Fabs that
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: was about to happen.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I hope, So I hope. So, yeah, we were there.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I played a couple of records and he definitely gravitated
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: to that. But I'm a bit because would he remix
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: a remix because he's already do you know what I mean?
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Like I was a bit skeptical to ask and be like, h.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: But he he was there, you didn't want to ask him.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: No. I played other records that he loved as well,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: but then he loved that too, So I'm hoping by
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: today or tomorrow I might get something.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: I feel like that.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I hope that one.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that makes the most SIPs.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah really, but you know, like Lightland doesn't strike in
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the same place twice, so is it kind of be like,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: oh you should have left the original.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's why you do it. You know what I'm saying,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: you don't like it?
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: No, you can't tell someone like you can't have someone
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: like Favety something and be like no, you can't do that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I feel like he's a way that can he can
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: like flip it, like he takes basically sampling his own like.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's too good, he's never he's not even ever
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: gonna go below. Yeah, he's too good.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: He's too smooth, embrace New York and like just all
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: of it just feels like you're living like a different
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: life right now.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, New York is good when you have money. Yes,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I was living here and I don't have money. Yeah,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I hated New York. But being in New York when
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: you have a little little coin in your pocket, it's
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: just a great It's a great city.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: The fact now you didn't put your first song to
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: you was in your thirties, So what would you say
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to people who have a passion but feel like it's
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: too late the pursuit.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's that's my life. That's the story of
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: my life. And I feel like I resented God and
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: I resented my parents for so long. Yeah for making
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: me wait, Like for making me do two degrees because
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I could have been out when I was twenty twenty one,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: like doing two degrees and it made me work as
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: an accountant.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Well what God had to do with that, because now.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I just resented him, like like he I felt like
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: he should have made me, given me the opportunity a
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: lot sooner. But now looking at it, like I did
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: it in my thirties, when I'm much grounded, I'm not
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: phased by fame or money. I've seen people come and
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: go some way more humble. I understand how hard you
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: have to work for certain things that I've learned from
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: the great and also for me, Like I feel like
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I can speak to people like you said, like even
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: models like who feel like if they're not successful by
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: twenty five, they need to retire. I think that's crazy.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Or a footballer like by the time you're like hitting
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: thirty you have to go to Saudi or something to
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: start playing, Like that's to me, that's crazy. If you're
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: still fit and you can still do it, it's.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: A little different. Like you said, they got to be physically.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: It's a physical thing. With music is more mental, it's
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: more emotional. I would think that the more experience you have.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I always say to someone if I'm going
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: into operating table and that they give me two options
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: of a doctor a surgeon, and they say, this guy
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: is young and he's fresh, and he's only been doing
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: this for six months. And they're like, this guy's like
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: sixty something and he's you know, he's been operating on people,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: he's never had any cases of whatever. I'm going to
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: go with the experienced guys. And I feel like with music,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: the older you are, the longer you've been in the industry,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: the more seasoned you are. I don't know why they
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: try and shut us out. The older we get like
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: it's just it's crazy to me, Like.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're more difficult, you think.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: When I started, people didn't realize how old I was,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: so they became fans. And then by the time they realized,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: they were like what, Yo, how old? But they're already
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: like turn hint to like they already like my fan,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: like they already loved the brand. So yeah, but now
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I think would I say it's difficult sometimes, like and
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I don't shy away from it. That's usually one of
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: the first things I say to people, like, hey, you
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: know because and then when they find out, some people
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: actually be like, yo.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: We can't because of your age. Yeah, brands are is
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: and be like what yeah, like they'll yeah, it's a
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: music industry. Well, I've heard from label friends that music
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: they always look for younger artists. But I didn't think
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: it was that point because you're established, like you have music,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: you have things, you have numbers, Like.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I'm talking in terms of like opportunities they might say, hmm,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: the demographic don't really you know, say they always try
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: and box me in this icon' oh we think she
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: can perform, Like if there's a festival or whatever and
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: there's like three dates, they sometimes try and box me
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: in like the icon stage or whatever. And but young
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: people really, like they really mess with me a lot,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: and a lot of them don't even really know how
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I am, but they will now.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Who cares.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I'm forty seven. I embrace every Okay, being alive is
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: a blessing. Yeah, consider to the alternative wake up dead,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And a.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Lot of people don't make it. That's right to our age,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Like to me when they throw it in my face,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: they would say the forty five year old, and I'm like,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: you're not. That's a blessing, like they always say. You
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: will see people in my comments being like, oh my god,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: she's still singing. You should give it up. You should
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: just damn just like yeah, and it just gets me angry,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: like I'm going to be doing this till I'm eighty,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Like I'm going to keep going.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because I saw you saying
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: that you were suggesting that this might be your final life.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you were worn out.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just drunk. Maybe I was drunk that night.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I was just like, oh my, I must have seen
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: something on an article, must have just pissed me off.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, fine, I'm not doing this again.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Turn Out wake comes the next morning and I'm like,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: oh jeez, I need to make money.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Unctionately exhausting? Is it to just create music?
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think we ever talked to artists about that, Like,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: you spend all of this time, like you said, you
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: spent traveling all around the world, and then you might
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: push something out and then be one person.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Like this is oh they give it like a three
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: out of ten exactly. Yeah. No, I'm not even gonna
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: lie that. That's you could talk about anything. I could
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: the controversies and I have had a lot, But when
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: it comes to music, that's the thing that gets me
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: because I put so much into it, and again everyone
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: didn't like Jesus, so who am I like? And it's
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: the music KI is subjective. So when that happened, I
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: just tend to what do I do? I just drink.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I just get over it. I just like, shall I
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: watch something, drink, hang out with my friends, invite the
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: next day. I forgot about it, but I need to
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: trust me he will be It's not it's even worse
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: than that. It's worse. I gave the PG version this
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah, it was really bad.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: You gotta keep it PG for us.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: In what way do you think this album marks your
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: growth though, not just as an artist, but as.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: A person musically. I think you can hear like you could.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: You could just hear like this growth and there's there's
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: confidence and like me attempting to do this, like I said,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: like a night cheering girl doing straight up R and B. Yeah,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: it just shows that I'm in a space where I'm
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: not doing music for TikTok moments. I'm not doing songs that. Yeah,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: you can hear that this song, this twenty seconds of
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: this part is going to be a you know, a
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: viral moment. You could hear that. I'm comfortable and confident
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: in the woman I am now musically and just in life.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not chasing anything. I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying being here,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: like I'm enjoying doing the press runs. I'm enjoying waking
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: up early and they're like I have to do this
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: and I'm I'm actually enjoying it now.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: What came out of the process that surprised you about.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Yourself saying no? Yeah, I think I feel like I
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: used to be a people pleaser. A lot of the
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: songs that became huge for me, I didn't like them.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: A lot of my hit records I didn't like, but
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: I said yes, and I you know, but I've learned
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: how to just say no and be and but say
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: in a grace gracious way. Like in a session, I'll
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: say to the producer that's not for me. It's a
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: great record is going to be a hit. Whoever's going
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: to do that, But that's not where I'm at.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Boundaries are important.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Very very and but when you set boundaries, it's lonely.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I never I never realized how many people I was
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: going to lose by seting boundaries.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: But they were They clearly weren't meant to be around
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you anyway.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm learning. But it's still lonely, though,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: because when you're used to being when you travel and
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: then it kind of like as an artist, you know
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: you're walking into somewhere and you have like ten twenty people,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: and you know everyone's like oh, who's that to, like
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: me going to a ventage just be and my manager like,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: it's an adjustment, but then it's also cheaper and like
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: you said, it's like peace of mind.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: One thing I respect about what you just said though.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: You said that you know you did songs that you
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: didn't want to do but they were still hit.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: So a lot of people you talk about programming earlier,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of people default setting would be like, well,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: let me just keep.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Recording these songs. Yeah, they work, but they weren't making
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you feel good. Nah nah, even with the success.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, no, I mean it felt good to do. See,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: I listened to like, you know, I would listen to
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: like my label or whatever and be like, Okay, I'll
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: do it, and then if it works out, I'm like,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: you know, cool, you know you're right. You know, I'm
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: glad I listened to you. But I have to listen
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: to myself as well, and I have to motivate myself
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: and challenge myself and be like, yeah, no, I've done
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: this for the past ten years. I've done I know
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: how to do those type of afrobeat hit records. With
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: my eyes closed, I'm not excited anymore. Like I want
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: to be able to go on stage and sing records
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: and have people crying or like look at them and
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: they they know or I feel that they can feel
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: the music like I want to. I need that in
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: my catalog. Not everything is about this car and that
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: and look at my diamonds and I'm the Savage and
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I'm this Like okay, we get it. Yeah, yeah, you.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Do something like that, that's gonna make me feel some
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: feel something.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I needed that.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah you are. You mentioned how coming to the US
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: gave you like kind of like a fresh start, and
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: you mentioned some of the controversies that you know have
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: been have that you've been through. How exhausting is it
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: to go through things like you know, the controversies that
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: we've had to see you talk about publicly and then
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: come back out with music and you know people are
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: gonna want to talk about these things.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: It depends what controversy as well. It's been a lot.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: The type of person I am me, I've said this before,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I laugh about things. I laugh like I would I
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: would make fun of myself because I feel that would
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: that was how I would cope with it. I feel
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: like if I make fun of it and I pretend
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: like it's not really getting to me. That's how I
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: used to deal with things, and I would put it
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: in my music. But the way I would put it
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: in my music would be like, you know, when I
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: talked about the sex tape and loaded, and I said,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: who's never had sex before? You know, like, and that's
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: that's how I was able to kind of like try
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: and get through it. But in hindsight, did I really
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: deal with it? I don't think so. And that's what
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I'm doing now. It's like I was hurt and and
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: it's okay for me to say I was hurt. I
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: was a victim. It happened to me as supposed to
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: just trying to let me make a hit out of it,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: and you know, I don't care, and you know, like,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: so now it's different. Now, it's like I am I'm
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: living in the truth, in my truth and admitting to
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: myself that, Yo, that shit hurt me.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Well, why couldn't you admit that that?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Of course that would hurt you if somebody tries to
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: blackmail you over sex tape.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, they My.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: People didn't see it like that. They thought I did
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: it for pr A lot of people thought, oh, she's
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: not relevant anymore, and she's doing this and I'm like, guys,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: trust me. That's if I wanted to do that, I
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: would have had better lighting. I would have you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I would have set it up right. I would have
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: been in sexy lingerie. My facial expression would have been
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: not what it was like, you know what I mean,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: it would it would have been completely different if I
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: really wanted to put that in your performance.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like so, I just want you to know.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Africa is a big continent, right But there's a lot
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: of people watching this interview who might have never even
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: heard that story.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: But there's going to be a big google right now.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: And they're gonna.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: And you from God.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Not even denying it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I just want the song too, so they listen to that.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Whatever happened to the Like, what was the end result
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: of that? Like, did you figure out who was trying
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: to do the extortion? Were they?
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: What?
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Now? I didn't. I never, I didn't. I didn't pursue it.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: I never. We tried, actually, but yeah, we couldn't. And
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: me trying was just like it was just too traumatic
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: for me to keep talking about it. And just yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: like I said, I just I just wanted to like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: just yeah, just move on.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: From it happened to you, No, thank you. I think
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: it's also from Nigeria, so.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: It's like it's very religious, and yeah, probably was a
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: lot harder on you. Yo.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: They were like, how can you? How can you at
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: your age have a sex tape with someone? And I'm like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: first of all, I didn't even know, like you could
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: don't watch it, but I didn't know what was happening.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: And the person was my boyfriend at the time, so
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: even if I wanted to do a sexy that was
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: my boyfriend. Like, but they saw it as being immoral.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: They thought it was just dirty, and I'm like, I
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: know what some of you guys do is even worse
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: than this, But I I was a scapegoat and that
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: was that was painful for me. Man. It was really
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: painful because they brought my son into it and said
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: I was unfit mom, like my son, my son's going
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: to grow up and see this and he's going to
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: be disappointed in his mom and how can I do this?
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: And my parents? I had to talk to my parents
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: about this, and yeah, it was it was that hurt
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: me more than the actual thing.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it hurt me more like you're you're you're saying
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: that I'm I'm a bad mother for having.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Sex with something that was out of your control.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I mean, thank for my family. The first
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: thing my mom's my mom calls me and she's like,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I'm just happy you're again. In her own words, she's like,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: don't listen to them more. I'm just happy that you're
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: enjoying yourself. And I was just like, yeah, just hearing
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: my mom say that.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Was just like did you know you?
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Did you know you was being recorded? So it wasn't
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the guy that put it out, Oh my god.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, So he said he was trying to save it
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: and then he pressed scent by accident on Snapchat.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: And that sounded like forever the movie the TV show happened.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Really there was a younger she was a younger girl though,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: and she was giving herd and she was recorded and
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: he the video got released and she was like the
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: whole show. She's like fighting back again, like she had
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: moved school.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because the thing was next to each other apparently.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: So he said he was trying to save it. Showed
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: me later, but you didn't even tell Yeah, And then
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: he's precedent by accident again, and I later on found
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: out that it was a bet. It was that he
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: really bet with his friends or whatever, and it's like, was.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: He younger than you?
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: No?
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because I have a theory I always teld
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: women of a certain age, but lead these young boys
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: along because they recording everything.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: What yes, yeah, now I'm not going to anyone's hotel.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: You're coming because you can have cameras hitting and then yeah,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: and you're coming to my safe space. But yeah, even
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: that itself was traumatic because he was my boyfriend. I
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: thought we were in a relationship and then I'm here
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: and later that it was a bet. M So did
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: you really like me? Or this was just planned from
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: the beginning.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that that's got to be so scary for you,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: even because you're bigger as an artist even now yeah
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: now now now, yeah, you're looking at your phone, you're
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: putting your phone down. That's why it's just really hard,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Like I'm not coming to your hotel to me, you're
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: coming to my place like or I'm getting a hotel
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: because I'm not bringing you around my son. So yeah, so.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: More controversy.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just can't imagine being recorded on accident and leaking.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: But okay, at.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Least shaven.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Very important. It's very important. Yes, Oh is she brand?
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: What we are not going to do that it was clean.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: We had Ado here on the show. Oh god, well
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: he mentioned while he was here that you know that
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: you saw it. Yeah, what happened between you and t
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: R Savage?
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I know you all were like really really close, like
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: cool man.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: Like I said, you know what I'm saying, even with
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: the big three questions you asked me.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: I remember when all of us you know what I'm
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: saying coming up together. You know what I'm saying to
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: me on t I you should stay in the same house.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: It's like my big sister, Like, you know what I'm saying,
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: she saw me as a youngin you know what I'm saying.
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: But the situation with t I was, you know, it
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: was like kind of personal.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: She's she's very very good friends with my the mom
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: and my daughter, my first daughter, which you know we
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: were in court having custody and that. So I just
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: felt like, you know what I'm saying, you my you
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, Help me, help me, my daughter
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: that type. So we just got a little argument. It
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: was nothing, you know what I'm saying. It was just
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: like brothers and sisters argument.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: I haven't seen her since then, to be honest, but
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: she did reach out, and you know what I'm saying,
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: So probably if it happens, it happens, and I know bad,
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: but I love her. You know, I love her child
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: and I saw him grow up. You know what I'm saying.
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: She's an amazing person. She changed the game for females.
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. She always have that respect.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: You know, that's my sister. I would never let nothing happens.
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: She knows, you know what I'm saying.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: What about wiz K? You love whiz Kid?
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: That is not That's not his system.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I'm just asking. I love everybody.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I do want to ask a question about the Big
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Three though, Like if they call they called Bernard or
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Rebel and they talk about Whizky he has the mystique,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: what is what's your lane in that in that Big Three? Man?
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: I'm Joseph.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just me.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: I'm just me, Like I'm just.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Me, like a whirl. I like I used to work out.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought.
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: Like people people, people know me as the outgoing guy. Yeah,
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: I'm saying they you know, free, you know what I'm saying.
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: I don't have that mistique or that rebel. You know
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I can't act that way. I'm just me and people.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: Some personal people be like, man, you're too free. You're
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: too free, so you don't you know you have superstar.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: I'm like, bro, I've been listening. I'm going Disney two
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: years old. Like this does not Yeah, like I like
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: I always say, like if my dad walks in the woman, Like,
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: if you're walking on the road, you know what I'm saying,
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: my dad passes you by, you probably would even know
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: like that dude, got better, dog, I'm telling you. So
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: that's how I grew up. My manager be getting mad
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: like I'd be in the house, I being slippers, like
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: going away.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I'm home. You look good every time.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: But the people that are born.
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: Artists, that's just how they They're coming out their room
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: like you know what I'm saying that people some people
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: are like that, you know what I'm saying, that's what
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: works for them and to be honest, it's worked for them.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: What's worked for me, it's worked for me, and what's
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: worked for them, you know, it's worked for them. Maybe
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: if they like free like me, you know, maybe they
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: wouldn't get what they have, you know what I'm saying. So,
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: and maybe the way I am is what has helped me.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: So it's just like everybody. I feel like every in
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: every industry, Like just like how you had the Big
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: Three back in the day with like jay Z. They
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: were all different kind of people, d different kind of people.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Drake Outside, you know what
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: I'm saying. Kendrick is like, you don't even know what
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: that move is. So it's like they're different kind of
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: people and right, and that's okay, you know what I'm saying,
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: That's okay.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: I saw you talk to Rolling Stone a bit about it,
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: about how you felt about it. Did you feel like
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: because it seemed like he was sorry for whatever transpired
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: and that y'all were good? Now was that the feeling
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: you got from it?
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Well, we haven't seen a spoken since, so, yeah, we haven't.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen him since then spoken, But I again,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: I want to say, I think it was a miscommunication,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: but there hasn't been any kind of communication between us.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: But I definitely I was. I was hurt by how
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: it transpired. I mean, I don't know if he explained,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: you know, what kind of happened.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can explain it from your point of view.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: So our kids are friends, and they've gone to the
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: same school since they were one. They're ten now, so
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: they've gone to the same they've been in the same
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: class for ten years. So I've now, I've known David
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: before that, but I've naturally grown a relationship with the
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: mother of their kid, and I didn't really know that,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: you know, there was issues. I mean, I know that
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: he's moved on and he's married, you know whatever, but
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on apart from that, And
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I guess I was. I was at an event and
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: she was too, so naturally like, hey, how are you
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: We're a partying drinking, doing snap and whatever. And he
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: saw that and he took it as I was betraying him,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, what, how, Like, what's what's going on?
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: And that's why I said, I think it was as
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: miss misunderstanding, Like he felt like I knew what was happening,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: and I was on her side, and that that's not
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: the case. Like, this is just a woman that I
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: know who's the mother to my son's friend. And we
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: were a social gathering and I see him, were, you know, chilling, So,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: like I said, we haven't seen each other since. And
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: even if I did know, I don't think I would
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: have chosen a side either, Like I don't think I'm
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: going to be like, oh, because you guys are having issues,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be on David's side. I'm going to
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: be on Sofia's side because our kids are friends and
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: it's not my business to take sides, like yeah, just
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: like I don't want anyone to take sides with my situation.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: It's between me and the father and my son. I
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: don't think anyone should be dragged into it. But again,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: he felt like I was. I should I should have
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: been loyal to him in that situation.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: But how did that turn into you submitting a letter
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: to the police. If anything happened to me, it was him, So.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I think out of anger, maybe he might have made threats.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Do I think he was really gonna go ahead with it? No,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: But again I'm not taking any risks, like I feel
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: like you could. You could be saying it around people
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: who want to now act out on what you're saying.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying? And you know how
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: it is when your crew and his crew might end.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: It might not even be here and I directly might
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: be someone from my crew fighting his crew whatever, and
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: it escalates again. Before I did that, though, I reached
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: out to members of his family. I'm not going to
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: say names, but people that are older than him, and
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: I said, listen, I'm hearing threats. Can we solve this?
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: And none of them came back to me. In fact,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: one of them was just like, do what you need
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: to do. I was like, cool, Like, just for the record,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: I want before I do anything, can we solve this?
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: And yeah, he said, you're like his big sister who
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: will always love you and would never let anything better.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, that's why I said, I do I think
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: he was ever going to carry out No, I think
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: he was just you know, David is such a joy
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: like he's just a joyful no when I sort of
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: and he doesn't mean it so and I feel like
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: that too. I feel like he is like a brother
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: to me, and that's why it and we haven't seen
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: each other, and I'm sure it's going to be all love.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: It's definitely all love for me. And I want him
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: to know I haven't spoken to you, David, but I
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: do want you to know that I do love you
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: and I've never I would never betray you or like
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: take sides. I just want you to know that I'm
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: always putting our kids first. So and that's why I
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: just feel like I have to be respectful to the
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: mother of a child.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: So why did you say the Big three?
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, no no, no, no, no, no no,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: So not fuck them life, but the narrative of the
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Big three? Yeah, Like, f that narrative because this is
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: a continent, This is so many artists, and we keep
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: reducing it to three three artists every single time. When
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: we have diamonds, we have flavor, we have we have terms,
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: we have like the listen Rema like, yeah, I loves
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like my right, yeah, and I'm like they're like
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: and we don't include them in the top three. Why
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Like so I'm like, f that narrative.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're right, it's like you hear burna boy.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: You hear with kids here, but for me and that
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: I listen to a lot of listen to a lot
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: of teams, and I'm like, I don't know why it.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Is just those three. Is it is it sales?
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: Is it maybe?
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: And I think they have a really strong fan base,
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: so their fan base is very They're they're active. Yeah,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: they're very, very active.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Even you you you got to be in that conversation.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: As well, like I mean, you know what I see
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: people do lot and I don't know if you see
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: this too. They put you, they put you in Tyler,
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Like there's a conversation a lot with you and Tyler.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: I think, well, I think it's because if you're not
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: from where you guys are from anybody that's like big
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: from a certain type of music, people just like to
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: talk about you guys. At one point, I saw conversations
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: with like Tims Tyler like just whoa who is the
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: girl now? And then even when they had when we
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: were having the colors conversation, people were having conversations about
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: dark skinned women from certain places being able to make
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: it versus lighter skinned women, and they got mad about
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: the color of the comments. Like I've seen the conversation
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: around you guys, but more so, uh should you more
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: so like a skin color thing. Really, Yes, I've seen
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: that conversation.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I've seen.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: A star like You're like she she's kind of like
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: you big up her a lot, right, Yeah, I love
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: to see Yeah, I hate, not hate, but comparisons with you,
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: Irish Star. Really well maybe because we've we've like I've
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: we're both. I was signed to Don Jazzy and she's
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: with Don Jazzy now, and he's you know, anyone that has.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Ever ever been under him? Pause but yeah, no, yeah,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: I don't want this to be taken out of context,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: but yeah, anyone who's ever been associated with him knows
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: that he does not play that. So he yeah, he's
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: yeah and just But I love her regardless anyway, And
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: I just have to respect his artists. But regardless of that,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: I love Ira.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: I think too though in music, like whenever we were
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: talking without this earlier with Kardi, whenever you get to
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: a certain point, people just have to like there's that
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: competitive nature that comes in from the fans and just
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: the people in the critics, like it just happens.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But I feel like as artists we have the
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: opportunity to what's the word. Yeah, earlier on, like I
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: saw that kind of coming with Ira, and I'm like, nah,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: you guys are not going to build this awkwardness between us.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: And I'm posting her, she's posting me. So the fans
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: can't even they can't even kind of like build that
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: narrative between the both of us, because earlier on we
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: were just like, yeah, let's get this conversation. This is
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: not even that it's not a topic.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: I know you guys are from two different places, but
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: when the colored conversation was happening with Tyler, from your perspective,
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: how did you feel about the conversation and just how
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: she handled in people's reaction to it.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Who you guys are serious? Oh, I feel like two
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: truths can be real. At the same time, I feel like,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: maybe I don't really know what the first thing she
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: said was that sparked the whole conversation, But I do
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: know that from where she's from, she's you know, she was.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: I think she she doesn't. She doesn't consider they don't
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: call her black, they call her color colored because she's
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: because she's mixed. And I guess I get why that
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: would be such a huge thing here because of I mean,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: the history behind that name. You know, I don't know
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: if I think I felt for her a little bit
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: because I feel like she's young and I don't think
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: she means to come across like that. But where we're from,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: where I'm from, when something like this happens, like they say,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: the elder will come and say it on behalf of
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: such and such, you apologize.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: That's what I feel like, if if if if that
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: wasn't if that wasn't communicated, I would I would like
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: to say, you know, like on behalf of that her
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: or whatever, like we apologize, like you know, we didn't
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: mean it was, you know, because I don't think it
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: came from a bad place, you know what I mean,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think it came from a bad place.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: And they making it to me, they're making it bigger
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: than what it needs to be. I've heard her explain it,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: and it makes perfect sense to me. When and then
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: you know, recently she put out an album and it
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: didn't do well and they were blaming the comments, and
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think that.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were blaming you too, Charlamagne.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: Question, he always says, you got to know if you
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: come to anywhere at that time when everyone's having that conversation,
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: is going to be asked, And I think that they
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: should have prepared her to at least glide through the question.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Like it was so like I'm not answering that, Like
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: it made it a thing of like well why not? Yeah,
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: which she described it in Vogue right after that, and
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: I was like, okay, girl, you could have just said that.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but have you have you guys never earlier on
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: in your career made maybe mistakes you guys?
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: Ever he smelt, he smelled somebody's seats happened?
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Was it? No?
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Why because you wanted to smile? Was nice?
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: It was?
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: He's been done for a very no.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so I feel like she's learning. Yeah, she'll
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: learned from that, and she'll know. She'll now know, like
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: when I'm going to certain interviews, like, yeah, I guess,
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: let me watch what type of interview is? Are they?
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: You know, do they ask hard questions? And let me
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: be prepared? Like you know, I think people do.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: Don't when they're watching celebrities do the things that y'all
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: do with interviews and stuff, you don't realize that her
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: fans don't realize that you guys are people. So sometimes
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: even if she's prepared to answer the question, she might
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: be nervous and still she's sitting with you know, you
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: come here, you sit with like Charlotte Maye and he
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: makes people nervous.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Was not prepared for you guys to ask me this.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, no, I'm okay, yes, you're only
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: your business.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: I'm really insure you.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: I do want to know why do you think female
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Why do you think female African artists don't get in
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: the Big three conversation?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Like why aren't they?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: I think culturally still women are not what's the word misogy? Yes, yes,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: so even culturally, not even just in music. For me,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I've said this before. When I got my tattoos, I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: was I was trending. I'm going to go to hell.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: You know what kind of mother am I? Nobody's going
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: to marry me with this. I'm never going to get
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: a day job. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to job.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: But you know, like male artists are covered in tattoos
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: and they're like, yo, that's he's a rock star. So
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: not just the music, just in general, women are still
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: like undermind in my culture, so it's obviously going to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: trickle down into music.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like you do.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Very well with a podcast, I really, really really because
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: I saw you say how you had to sneak away
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: from your team because you wanted to be more out spoken,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: and oh.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I cursed him out. What No, there was a
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: guy and he said Tia does not support female artists
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: and she's not signed a female artist and what kind
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: of legacy is that? And I said, what are you crazy? Like,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: first of all, I don't have I don't have a
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: problem with you having an opinion, but at least do
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: your research. No one has done in terms of females.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: No one has done more songs with females than me,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: like literally either me featuring them or then featuring me.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: So you coming on and saying I don't support females,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: that's already wrong, and you have such a huge platform,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: and people were believing that instead of doing the research,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: they're just like, yeah, it's true. And I'm like, wait,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: how many of the songs that I've even done with
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: female arts have you guys even promoted Let's start with that, Like,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: so you're not even encouraging us to even work with
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: each other because you act like you don't see us.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: So I'm very as much as I'm reserved, I can
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: like I don't. Yeah, I'm not scared of no one,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: and I would say any like yes, and if I'm convicted,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: if I'm convicted that I'm saying the truth, my truth. Yeah,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: you can't tell me nothing. I was cussing them out
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: in my language.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: And that's why I want you to have a podcast.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I think it would be very good.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: I think people should be able to ask you questions
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: because you have a level of experience, a level.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: Of we feel to the they're always nervous every time
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: I go on because this I would trend force something you.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: Always tell me how to like do it and making mistakes. Listen,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: if you're on a platform, you will make them, but
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: you will learn how to do it in a way
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: that is like beneficial but like still authentic to you.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: And I think I'll ever share that.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: That's great you home to day. You have to have
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: already know I was talking way too.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: That's why I can tell, like, everything you're saying is
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: all the reasons you should have a podcast.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's even the streaming thing is getting big like,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: but the podcast, Yeah, but I I yeah, I make
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: them nervous, man, Like even the whole thing you asked
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: me about Tyler and David, I already know this is
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: I always think so I always think I'm very honest,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: and even even me talking about the relationship and being
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: in a room or whatever, and a lot of people
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: were like, I was oversharing and I'm saying too much.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: And they're even saying that you're doing this because you
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: want to promote your album, and I'm just like, I
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: don't even know how to lie. If I knew how
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: to lie or lie about my age when I first
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: came out, because I could have easily done that or
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: just lied about the whole situation or just created a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: whole scenario. But my problem is I'll go to another
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: interview and I'll forget what I said and I kid
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: just said he's a doctor, and I'll be like, oh, yeah,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: he's a basketball player, and I'll just trip myself, like.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Say, you should never lie because when you lie, you
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: when you tell the truth, you don't ever have to remember.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: What you said.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how to not share the truth
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: or just be so honest. Oh that gets me in
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: trouble a lot.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: I think you're allowed to talk about like your mom
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: and you went through divorced relationship. You know this this
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: sex tape stuff. Music, you could be like a tunnel
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: and you to have your lady.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: That's what I tried to do with the sex tape.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: So I had an interview and I had just gotten
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: the video and then I was Angie Martinez. Yes. So
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: I was going there to promote a song and I'm like,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say what is and my everyone was like, no,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: you cannot. And I went there and I said it
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: and then they released it anyway, and I'm like, before
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: you embarrassed me or think that you're gonna get one
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: on me, I'm just gonna go on there and say listen,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: was gonna come out and they're threatening me and I'm thinking,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: I'm controlling my narrative, and then it backfires on me
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: because they now said I did it on purpose.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: It's just to be mad at that, because at the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: same time, whenever the sex tape conversation comes up, people
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: point to that interview, your explanation of it. So it
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: did control the narrative, like you got to learn the
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: high level winds and can't be down here with all
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: the low level Yeah yeah you entertainment.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, no, well no I don't but yeah, it's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: still kind of there, but it's not it's not.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: Very great for you to break artists through as well.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: I think you should do it.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think I have I don't think Okay, let
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: me just clear this out. It's not that I don't
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: want to help, but I don't think everybody's cut out
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: to sign artists, especially as an artist. Because you've seen
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: some artists. I'm not going to mention the name they've
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: signed other artists and what's happened to them. Yeah, because
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: there's still that competition is still not to say that
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: I'm in I'm going to be in competition, but I
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: don't have that mindset. I don't have that that heart
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  Speaker 3: where I could wake up and my artists could be
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  Speaker 3: trending about something and I would be heartbroken. I wondn't
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  Speaker 3: be able to control it because I'm like what I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: feel like the way I can give back is by
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  Speaker 3: I'm opening a music school. So yeah, I'm partnering with
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  Speaker 3: Berkeley College of Music. I'm going to also start with
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  Speaker 3: like awarding scholarships to African students to come all the
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  Speaker 3: way to Boston learn music, because I think like everybody
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  Speaker 3: gets stuck on artists. But there's so many other parts
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  Speaker 3: of music. There's music therapy to help you know when
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: you have canter patients, and you know, there's film scoring,
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  Speaker 3: like creating music for movies. There's music education. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so there's other parts of it. So that's my way
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  Speaker 3: of helping people. I don't have the I don't have
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  Speaker 3: the gift to sign other artists, but I can give
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  Speaker 3: back in.
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  Speaker 2: That way that is you are very that's a very
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  Speaker 2: self aware thing to say, yeah, and I can't.
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  Speaker 3: I can't do it, like and not everybody can do that,
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  Speaker 3: and they'll be very selfish of me to sign somebody
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  Speaker 3: else that I feel like, if I want to sign
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  Speaker 3: somebody else, I need to be out of the game. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because I'm going to be like you releasing something, and
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  Speaker 3: you're releasing something. Even if I say there's no competition,
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  Speaker 3: they still will be a little bit. So I'm not
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  Speaker 3: I'm not there yet.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, my last quar No, I understand I like this
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  Speaker 2: stelf aware because there's a lot of people that are
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  Speaker 2: coming to my mind right now, and I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: wish they took that advice.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of American artists. I'm like, you know what, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's one in particular saying it.
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  Speaker 3: J No, you don't think he should have signed.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think it was good that
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  Speaker 2: he did because he introduced us to a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like he had the best roster of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: artists of any of of the artists of those of
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: that new generation. He had Harry Lennox, Earth Gang and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Jed and it's just like, yeah, and I feel like
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: him being as big as he was, I don't know,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: I just felt like he could have just made all
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: of them bigger, you know. I just felt like Dreamville
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  Speaker 2: could have been a lot, lot, a lot bigger.
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  Speaker 1: And I've heard recently that he feels the same way that. Really,
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  Speaker 1: I could be completely wrong, I could just making it,
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  Speaker 1: but that's what I've heard. That's why, that's why they disbanded.
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  Speaker 4: What you just did there where you got him to
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  Speaker 4: have a conversation and now that's going to be a
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: clip and people are going to be discussing that your
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: podcast will go off. Girl, Yeah, maybe maybe you guys
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: should invite me more off and and maybe have me
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: speak or we.
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  Speaker 2: Could just launch the Tear or Savage podcast on the
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  Speaker 2: Black Effect Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Now yeah, no, one hundred percent. I would Oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: that would be sick, I think. So we're saying this
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  Speaker 3: on air, like, don't you think this is one of
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: the things that should go out that you guys should
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: you should cut out?
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  Speaker 2: My last question, what do you hope your listeners take
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: away from this album emotionally, spiritually and in terms of healing.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: I would love them to listen to it from start
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: to finish, not like shuffle it and go on the journey,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: and know that I went through I went through heartache
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: where it felt like a disease, like to minimize you know,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: a lot of people people say it's just a heartache,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: it's not like you've got cancer or whatever, and it's like, yeah,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: it's not, but it can feel like the end of
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: the world. So I want them to know that they're
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: whatever they're going through is valid, and but also listen
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: to it to the end and know that you can
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: get through it and you can heal. And that last
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: song changed, you know. That's why I say listen to
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: it like, you know, like a journey of emotions and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: know that at the end of the day, everything does
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: work out and and it will work out. It has
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: to work out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's t y savage.
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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us the conversation.
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