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Episode 24 - Sex Magic: The Science, The Ritual, The Power with PAGAN · The Bull Brotherhood

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We set up this space. I rented out a dungeon
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here in L .A. And we put Matt at the beginning
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of the ceremony just to kind of have the candles,
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have some incense to take in the space. I had
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this music that I like to use that's very tribal.
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You could pick whatever you like that speaks
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to you. And we were able to create like before
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there was anything sexual. We were able to create
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this literal triangle between the three of us.
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Let's go. Ladies and gentlemen, good evening.
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Welcome to another invigorating episode of the
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Bull Brotherhood podcast. I'm the man with the
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plan, Brian Morgan, a .k .a. the Sigma male himself.
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One third of the podcast team, along with the
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beautiful couple and family that love this siren.
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What's going on, sweetie? Hey. All right. All
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right. And of course, the nephew himself, Socrates.
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What's good? What's good, y 'all? What's good?
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All right. Now, ladies and gentlemen, again,
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we have a very, very special guest coming at
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us, coming at you from. the great state of california
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we know him as the sapiosexual one himself ladies
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and gentlemen please do a big big round of applause
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and a hand for pagan what's going on brother
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what's going on my people it's good to be back
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with you all right all right it's definitely
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a pleasure for you to be back ladies and gentlemen
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tonight pagan is kind of going to take the lead
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on a topic that he has mastered over the years
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and one that i'm very very curious about um if
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i'm not mistaken pagan is called what's Again?
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Sex magic, which sometimes is spelled M -A -G
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-I -C -K. Yeah, sex magic. That shit sounds sexy
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as fuck. Again, Pagan is going to take the lead
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tonight, and I'm going to pass the mic on to
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him. Once again, coming at you from California,
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the man himself, Pagan. Yeah, so, you know, I
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appreciate you guys having me on to talk about
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this. This is a subject that I have. I would...
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not say that I am a master in this. I am trying
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to get mastery in this. This is one of those
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things, like many of the aspects of what you
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guys talk about and being a bull, where you can
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be like Socrates, the eternal student. But I
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have learned quite a few things that I'll share
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with people who are interested in kind of a one
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-on -one, a 101, and try to explain it a little
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bit from my point of view. One thing I will say
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at the top, we say all the time in the lifestyle,
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you know, there's no one way to do things. This
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is the ultimate example of that to me. When it
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comes to sex magic, if anybody is telling you
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there's a way, stay away from that person. They
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don't know what they're talking about. It is
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very much dependent on the participants, what
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they are interested in. the power that they harness
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what is specific about the practitioner so i
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just want to stress that you're going to hear
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me talk about a lot of different things some
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of which is going to be specific to the way i
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approach it but please do not take that as the
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way to do it it is a way to do it and it might
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give you ideas on how you would like to do it
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so i'll just say that up front but in terms of
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just talking about what it is in the beginning
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i wanted to just start off and talk about skepticism
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first about magic in general sex magic magic
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it's 2025 you throw out the word magic and some
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people like what are you talking about like this
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is harry potter what is going on here i started
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off a skeptic so i wanted to start there just
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for those in the audience that might be skeptics
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i'm with you i'm an empiricist i'm a rationalist
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i'm i'm a fan of what i can feel taste and touch
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and if that's not possible i'll take what's observable
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and provable but that's kind of where i came
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from so i just wanted to put that out there up
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front if there's is a thing that sounds woohoo
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to you and sounds a little out there i'm with
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you and i'll tell you about my journey and how
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i've come to respect it and understand the power
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of it where i didn't at first but i i just wanted
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to let you know i'm a kindred soul if you're
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skeptical but much like i imagine someone who's
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you know had a paranormal encounter for instance
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you know i've met people that i haven't particularly
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i haven't seen a ghost before but i've met people
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who have had encounters and you can't tell them
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otherwise you know or people that have seen an
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unidentifiable object in the sky that's you know
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doing stuff that a plane can't do i've talked
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to people who have had these experiences even
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though i haven't had them and they have seen
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and felt and experienced things so I am more
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open -minded than I used to be about a lot of
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things that I used to scoff at or laugh at. Even
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though it may not be something I've experienced,
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I do have more respect for it. And I'm going
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to be telling you about my journey to get to
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that point with Sex Magic. So here's what I propose.
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If you listen and you agree with at least most
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of what I'm going to say right now, maybe if
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you're a skeptic, you can see a way to entertain.
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What I'm saying about my experience and what
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I am proposing that I think most people agree
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with is the idea that your perception is your
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reality. What we see, what we perceive, what
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we think is real, is real. We've all seen the
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Matrix. Morpheus gave us the speech. That is
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the truth. Objective reality is something that
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is... questionable at best, more likely is what
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you perceive reality to be. And if perception
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is reality and focusing intention changes your
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perception, which is something I think we can
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also agree on, then I think that focusing your
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intention, changing your perceptions can change
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your reality. And that's what I have experienced
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when it comes to sex magic. So, you know, you
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want to become a better pianist. You practice,
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you know, intensity, imagination, emotional conviction
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can make you, you know, somebody who's at Juilliard.
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Or if you visualize yourself nailing a presentation
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or that CrossFit competition or whatever, your
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physical body calibrates to make that a real
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thing. We've all experienced that in real life.
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People don't tend to question those things. I'm
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saying the exact same thing when I'm talking
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about sex magic. So you can pray, you can affirm
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affirmations, you know, you can manifest, you
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can visualize, you can obsess over things, you
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can just grind, do the work. You can daydream,
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you can journal, you can scream into your pillow.
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But all of this is the same thing. You are aiming
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your energy with intention. And then reality
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bends to your will. And sometimes that's very
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subtle. Sometimes I've experienced things that
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are wild. And just one more thing, just to get
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into the actual reality of what sex magic can
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do, that's based in what we know about science.
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We are all familiar with the chemicals that the
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body releases around sex. These are real, tangible
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things that change in your body. Like dopamine,
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they call that the pleasure molecule. But it's
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also the focus and reward molecule. It's been
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called that. It enhances your motivation. It
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sharpens your attention. It strengthens your
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synaptic potential, which is just a fancy way
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of saying it makes your neurons fire together
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and wire together. That chemical is released
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when you're aroused and especially when you're
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having orgasm. So high dopamine means you're
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in a high learning state. Your brain plasticity
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actually expands. Same thing with oxytocin. When
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you have a sexual touch or an orgasm, it increases
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trust, your emotional salience. It consolidates
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your memory and pattern recognition. What you
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learn and experience when that chemical is going
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on during sex, your brain actually has new wiring
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and takes that in differently than if you were
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just sitting in a chair. So once again, your
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brain is going to flag what's important when
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these chemicals are being released. and it recodes
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your brain and the list goes on there's you know
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endorphins and you know you know the noradrenaline
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serotonin all of these things around orgasms
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around sex they lay down like new mental pathways
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so i'm saying all that to say when you're turned
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on when you're having sex when you're having
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an orgasm your brain is paying more attention
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and encoding literally new ley lines It trains
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the nervous system to experience reality differently.
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You know, we've all felt goosebumps. We've all
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felt like a chill that's pleasurable when someone
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whispers in our ear. These are all things that
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are chemically your body's reacting. And I'm
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saying sex magic can do all those things that
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you've experienced and amplify them by a thousand
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times. So that's just kind of like the background
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of like for the skeptics out there. where this
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is rooted in science and what you can do that
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we all really don't question. But then the sex
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magic is taking that thing to another level.
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So when I say sex magic, based on all of what
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I just talked about, the definition of it for
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me is intentional harnessing of like the peak
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neurochemical states that I just talked about
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that encode your behaviors and your perceptions.
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So you're like primed. With belief, intention,
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visualization on top of that, you're able to
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achieve new heights with sex and other things.
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So, you know, while your body's in that state,
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if you use sex magic ritual, sex magic, symbolisms,
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suggestions, you can rewrite your circuitry.
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And why not? Why not focus that? Why not hone
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it? harness it and shape your sexual reality.
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So long story short, I'm talking about neuroplasticity
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as spellcasting. You're able to actually physically
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change your experience and the experience of
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others. If you focus your intention and will,
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you can create a new reality. Pagan, can I jump
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in here? Yeah, I was just shutting up. So can
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we take a few steps back? It sounds like you're
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combining, let's say for people who are not like
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into the woo -woo stuff or has heard it the old
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school way, it was called the law of attraction.
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Now most people call it manifestation. A lot
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of other people call it different things. You're
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also combining the chemical and neurological
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responses to orgasms with the process of how
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we process reality, right? But can you break
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a few of those things down or I can, I don't
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care, but for our audience to kind of catch them
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up because you gave a beautiful, beautiful explanation
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of what it is. But I'm going to say this. I was
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sitting there listening to you and I was like,
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I understood everything he's saying. But the
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only reason why is because I've probably read
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15 books on all of those subjects. So I'm like,
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can we break it down a little bit more for layman's
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terms for those who are not familiar with a lot
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of these things and nuances that we are pretty,
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me and you, I know are very familiar with. Yeah.
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I mean, I mentioned a bunch of the specific chemicals
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and biological functions. But if you take all
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of those specifics away and you don't want to
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focus on it, you can look them up later. Your
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intention and your will, we all know, as you
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pointed out, manifestation, saying your mantra,
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meditating, you know, in the morning here, you
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know, you go into the mirror and you, you know,
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you create a reality for your day coming up by
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talking to yourself and you practice this. ability
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to have your will and intention become something
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or your vision board or whatever. What I'm saying
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is we're not unfamiliar with the idea that your
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will can create things in your life. And we're
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not unfamiliar with people who are sitting around
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on their ass covered in Cheeto dust. A lot of
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stuff doesn't happen for them. Hey, hey, I resemble
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that. I'm sorry. I love Cheeto puffs. They're
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like my favorite, you know, when I've had a little
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420 time. I love those Cheeto puffs. I had no
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idea that was going to be where I broke into
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the conversation, but, you know. Yeah, that's
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where Siren was like offended. Like, all right,
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all right, you've gone too far. Don't be talking
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about my Cheetos like that. Cheetos are great.
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What's not great is sitting around not doing
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nothing while you're eating them. And Siren,
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you're a go -getter who has got a million different
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things going on, so you deserve your Cheetos.
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Thank you. But the idea that you can just sit
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there and things are going to come to you because
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you're thinking about them, I personally don't
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think that's a thing. Right. I'm very skeptical
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about that. That's not what manifestation is.
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Manifestation is using your will to put things
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out there. And yes, there's a mental component
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and belief, but you also have to like physically
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do things. And I think that's what sex magic,
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Socrates kind of marries the two things. We all
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know there's a physical component to sex. That's
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what most people know. That's the very basic
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thing is the physical aspect of sex. What I'm
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talking about is. That power that you feel, is
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there more there? What if you and your partner
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focus intention together, or if you're by yourself,
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by the way, because you don't even have to practice
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sex magic with someone, but I'm going to be focused
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more on what you can do with two people or more.
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If you are able to focus with someone else and
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their intention, and you go into this sexual
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act that would normally be something that is
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much more just physical, and you elevate it to
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a mental, and a spiritual a soul level if you
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will you're able to harness energy that was before
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that untapped so that's kind of what i'm getting
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at socrates is all the chemicals and stuff that
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we talked about explain why it happens but what
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we're talking about is creating reality based
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on focusing yourself and changing what was normally
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not there where there was nothing now there is
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something by the sheer force of will and i'll
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give you one example of this you can have a tree
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in the woods it's just a tree now you take that
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same tree and a bunch of wiccan chicks go out
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there in the woods and they strip naked and they
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start dancing around and carving runes into it
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that means something to them and they're chanting
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a song that's ancient that means something to
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them on the solstice when the earth is changing
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and giving birth and the moon is in the sky literally
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pulling our oceans and tides because it's so
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powerful and they believe and have intention
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as they dance around that tree and practice their
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scale their spell casting i dare say that tree
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is no longer just a tree it was before But the
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power of will and what those women are doing
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around it creates something new. And you can
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be skeptical all you want, but if you've ever
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been around something like this, you tend to
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see that there is something there. So that's
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kind of what I'm talking about. I love it. I
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love it. And for our audience, since, Pagan,
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you're coming from the skeptic's perspective,
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I want to share a book that I think people should
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look into. If you're a skeptic and you're interested
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in like these things from a scientific perspective
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or an evidence -based perspective, there's a
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really great book called The Source by Dr. Tara
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Swart. And she's an MD, PhD, and she just gives
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really practical and scientific -based examples
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of how this stuff really works. So then when
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Pagan starts getting into some of the practices.
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You can go as far as me and Siren do because
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we are firm believers in not only God, but the
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law of attraction and manifestation and that
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these are abilities to create for us. You don't
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have to go that far if you're not a believer.
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You can just rely strictly on empirical data
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and the science. Either way. you're gonna get
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there i agree yeah and then you know if you'd
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like we can talk a little bit about like some
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of the ways that you can enter into sex magic
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um some of the avenues and channels through which
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people do it and then i can talk personally about
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like some of the things that i've experienced
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and what i've used that have been powerful for
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me you know one of the things is there's a cocktail
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of things you can use but one of them is like
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the union archetypes a lot of people use them
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So you're integrating this unconscious mythological
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basement that, you know, Carl Jung talked about
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that's inside of all of us. You know, there's
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the shadow, the anima and the animus. And they
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have these archetypes, the hero, the mother,
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the crone. These symbolic things that he theorized
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are in all of us. And it's the reason why, for
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instance, like myths, whether it be... you know
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an ancient greek myth or an african fable or
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lord of the rings or star wars they're all myths
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and there's a reason why around the world people
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can listen to these stories and get engrossed
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in them these are all because they're based in
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these jungian archetypes that's one way that
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people go into these sex magic ceremonies if
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you embody the warrior and you're making love
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to a woman who is in her divine feminine or you
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want to face your shadow side your trauma and
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get power where you had been had your power taken
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away from you these are all things you can do
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through the young and archetypes in sex magic
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and i have found those to be extremely powers
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powerful Because the arousal and all those chemicals
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we talked about, it changes from just an abstract
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concept into something visceral, something real.
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You are the warrior. She is the inner divine
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feminine. And then your body reprograms itself
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because of what I talked about earlier. And then
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when you go into situations later, you can access
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the divine feminine because your body, your neural
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pathways are like, oh, no, I got this. I know
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I'm divine feminine because. the other day in
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that sex magic thing i was starting to rewire
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myself to be that so i'm with you and now you
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can take that stuff out into the real world in
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ways that you just couldn't before because you
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have changed your reality um another way our
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chakras this is more the tantric energy centers
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but they cross -pollinate with the union things
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that i was talking about these same chakras have
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an archetype correspondent So, for instance,
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like the one that people think of the most with
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sex is the sacral chakra, you know, the pelvis,
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the genitals. That's desire, emotion, pleasure.
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But that is also a Jungian archetype. That's
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the lover or the shadow version of that is the
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prostitute, which, by the way, is not bad, by
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the way. I want to point out because we're. You
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know, we grow up in a Judeo -Christian society
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here in the West. The shadow is looked at as
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evil, bad, stay away from it. And these archetypes,
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shadow is not bad at all. It's just the other
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side of you. I think Jung famously said, if I
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don't cast a shadow, then how am I whole? It
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just means that you're a human that has another
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side. So I just want to be clear. But all of
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these things with the chakras, you can also tap
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into your heart, your throat. your third eye
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these are all linked to these things too and
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you can cross -pollinate them and and use them
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in sex magic again whatever speaks to you is
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what you can tap into and as for myself personally
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i've tapped into some to two things usually i'm
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always adapting to my partner um i don't particularly
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practice sex magic on my own by myself Usually,
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so I'm not as adept to speak on that, but that
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is definitely something that you can do on your
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own and manifest things. But I do like the amplification
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of bouncing off of a partner. And I just feel
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better when I'm not bringing everything to the
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table and when I'm waiting to meet someone and
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seeing what they bring. And then I'm able to
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go, okay, now I know that I am the yin to that
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yang. i know how to fit in and fill in the gaps
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to that particular person it's not a cookie cutter
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thing that i'm just doing every time and so for
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me because of the way i play the kind of partners
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i have in our areas of interest interracial is
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one of the things that i use to tap into the
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magnetic attraction between black and white between
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the polar opposites The yin -yang symbol that's
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ancient, that literally is usually black and
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white where one ends, the other fills in. Those
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are things that I have tapped into because it
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just works for me and my partners. But also another
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thing that I've tapped into is what is called
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sacred geometry, particularly the triangle, because
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again, this is just for me. I'm often interacting
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with couples. So I'm entering something where
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there's already two points. I become a third
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point. And that triangle can have power. There's
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a reason why you see triangles all through nature.
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Every snowflake, if you zoom in on it, is made
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of them. Every pyramid that was built was built
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that way for a reason. And I like to build off
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of that triangle of the three people. So that's
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a couple of the things that I personally have
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done. So, again, I'll shut up and let you guys,
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you know. chat but those are some of the things
25:31
in terms of physically how you can go about entering
25:35
into sex magic if any of those things you know
25:38
speak to you and there's others so pegan give
25:41
us tell us a little story about how you got into
25:43
this like what what was the experience that you
25:46
had or experiences or community or whatever that
25:49
that led you here from skeptic to on a podcast
25:53
teaching of us about it yeah so i can tell you
25:57
exactly when no pun intended, that seminal moment
26:01
happened. I was with a woman. We were playing
26:06
She's Very Witchy. And at a certain point, she
26:12
started speaking in a different language. And
26:15
I was shook. As you can imagine, like, it just
26:21
popped out of her. And I didn't recognize the
26:24
language. So... i immediately stopped as anyone
26:28
would and i you know i laugh at myself now but
26:32
at the time i could only go on what i know and
26:35
i thought she was having a neurological episode
26:38
you know like a person can have a stroke and
26:41
they can't speak words or it comes out mum you
26:44
know mumbo jumbo that's what it sounded like
26:47
to me like something i don't recognize so i stopped
26:50
and i'm like are you okay and she immediately
26:54
snapped back And it was like, no, no, no, I'm
26:56
fine. That happens. Just keep going. So we continued
26:58
playing. She continued speaking in this language.
27:01
And then after we're done, as you can imagine,
27:04
I was like, so what the fuck was that? And she
27:09
had to break down to me like, well, that happens
27:12
sometimes. I can go into this thing called light
27:17
language where I speak light language. And you
27:19
may have also heard this as speaking in tongues.
27:22
It's pretty much the same thing. I am I'm skeptical
27:27
about a lot of things until, you know, I get
27:31
some more proof. And I was particularly skeptical
27:33
about speaking in tongues because as a person
27:37
who likes evidence, I'm like, OK, you might be
27:40
speaking in tongues. But it's interesting when
27:43
I see somebody in a tent in Georgia handling
27:45
snakes and they're speaking in tongues. I'm like,
27:48
it's interesting. I can't check on this. Like,
27:51
it's not based in Latin. It's not based in Greek.
27:53
Nothing. So I just have to take your word for
27:56
it that this language is a language Because it
27:59
sounds to me like you might just be mumbling
28:01
stuff That was the place I was coming from when
28:04
it came to that to be honest But then I'm in
28:05
front of this woman and she's not trying to sell
28:08
me anything I didn't pay her a fucking nickel
28:10
at a carnival to fucking do a trick There's no
28:13
reason for her to try to freak me out and do
28:16
this. This was real She went into another state
28:20
and was speaking something ancient through sex.
28:23
And I had never experienced that before. But
28:27
she told me when she's with certain people, and
28:30
this is early on for me, certain people who are
28:33
receptive can be a conduit for her and it allows
28:38
her to go into that state. If she's with a partner
28:41
who is not receptive, it never comes out. There's
28:45
a part of her that knows when to lay her gifts
28:48
before an altar. and when to keep them to herself
28:51
so as much as i was a skeptic apparently i was
28:54
open -minded apparently there was something about
28:56
me where her somatic nervous system her spiritual
29:01
side her witchiness felt comfortable so that
29:05
was my first experience socrates with i don't
29:09
know what this is but it's powerful and it feels
29:12
real even though a minute ago if you asked me
29:15
i would have probably laughed at it and then
29:17
i started taking this stuff way more seriously
29:20
and came to find out for instance that the language
29:22
she was speaking at that time she couldn't translate
29:26
it afterwards she couldn't tell me oh this is
29:29
what i was saying i was saying that she was like
29:31
all i can tell you is when i'm saying it it's
29:34
not me it's just me speaking but then when we're
29:37
done with the actual act of sex and it goes away
29:41
she couldn't tap back into it but i have since
29:44
learned She can do that now. She can remember
29:48
what she was saying and translate it now because
29:51
she's had some years where she's gone into this
29:53
more. And I'm saying all that to say, this woman
29:57
had what I call witchy antlers. She has antenna
30:01
that pick up things that frankly, I don't pick
30:05
up or didn't pick up at that time. And I'm starting
30:08
to pick up more because my antlers are growing.
30:11
My antennas are growing more. and so i'm picking
30:14
up wavelengths and i'm doing things i did an
30:17
ayahuasca journey recently and i was speaking
30:21
light language out of the blue and surprised
30:24
myself i did not see it coming i don't even know
30:27
what the language was this is my first time but
30:30
something channeled through me and it happened
30:32
to me so i've gone again from you know being
30:37
skeptical of this stuff to actually doing it
30:40
myself I'm feeling in reality. You were hit by
30:43
the spirit in the South, in the South, in the
30:46
biblical, in the, in the, in the Bible. And then
30:51
in church, you will hear preachers preach. And
30:55
all of a sudden they start speaking in tone because
30:57
the Holy spirit has gotten inside of them is,
31:01
I guess that's the same thing as involving sex
31:04
magic. You know, there are some people, some
31:08
ladies, some men, but that spirit, that sexual
31:12
spirit gets inside of you and you start speaking
31:14
in tone. And now you're here again. You are becoming
31:18
a master because you're understanding now exactly
31:21
what you're saying. At first, you didn't know
31:23
what it was. You just thought you were just mumbling.
31:25
But no, you were not mumbling. You have now mastered
31:28
understanding the spirit hitting your body. So
31:31
that's a beautiful thing right there. that's
31:34
beautiful yeah you're absolutely right that's
31:36
a really good way to explain it to a lot of people
31:39
have been in a black church baptist churches
31:42
they they they get they catch the holy ghost
31:46
right exactly that is something and i'm just
31:50
being honest about myself i didn't grow up in
31:52
that kind of church i grew up in a church but
31:54
it wasn't that kind of church and i always side
31:56
-eyed that like okay that seems like a bit much
32:00
maybe you just like the music But I've learned
32:04
now how little I know. And there are metaphysical
32:09
qualities to the way our bodies and the whole
32:14
universe works that we don't fully understand.
32:18
And I have to say that I look at it a lot like
32:22
radio waves. Radio waves have existed since the
32:28
literal Big Bang. They're billions of years old.
32:31
It wasn't until the early 1900s that we started
32:37
saying, oh, I can put talk radio on that signal.
32:41
I can put music on that signal. And I can send
32:44
it all around the planet on FM and AM. The waves
32:48
were just sitting there all that time through
32:52
the birth of humanity, through all those billions
32:54
of years. And for us to say that, oh, well, they
32:58
exist now because we found them would be ridiculous.
33:02
They were always there. The question is, did
33:04
you have an antenna to pick it up? Did you know
33:07
how to harness that power? Because the power
33:09
is just sitting there waiting for you. I look
33:12
at this like that. The power is just sitting
33:14
there waiting for you to believe in it and to
33:17
figure out how to harness it and to get your
33:20
antenna right. And once it starts coming through.
33:23
you're going to hear that sex magic music. That's
33:26
how I look at it. What does it sound like? It
33:30
sounds like whatever you want to make is iron.
33:32
Like that's the beautiful thing about it. Like
33:34
for me, it sounds like some of the things that
33:36
I brought out, you know, because those are the
33:39
things that I'm interested in. And frankly, those
33:42
are the things that have power to me. So I'm
33:44
able to create with them. But for you, it could
33:48
be something completely different. It could be
33:51
your divine feminine. It could be the goddess
33:54
in you that you feel your partner worshiping
33:57
and you realize, oh, I'm not just queen energy.
34:00
I'm goddess energy. I can turn a man into my
34:05
altar and like a succubus, you will transform
34:09
not only yourself, but him. And he will be like,
34:12
what the fuck did you just do to me, siren? And
34:15
it will all be what I would call sex magic because
34:19
of the power of what you believe. Or if you're
34:22
lucky, the two of you are believing together
34:23
and creating together. And then once you experience
34:27
it, you can't go back. You can't unbelieve it.
34:31
You can't choose what you believe. You just believe
34:34
things or you don't. So, you know, the music
34:37
is different for everybody. Do you think there's
34:39
some people out there, too, that are already
34:41
practicing it to some degree, but they just don't
34:45
know what it was? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's
34:52
what that woman was telling me the first time,
34:54
is you're adept to this. You have a propensity
34:59
toward it if you get out of your own way with
35:01
all of your doubt and your skepticism and, frankly,
35:04
my ignorance of side -eyeing and kind of giggling
35:07
at it. If you free your mind. Which, by the way,
35:10
I'm... Yeah, if you free your mind, exactly.
35:12
Like I said, we're back to Morpheus. or in vogue,
35:15
if you were a fan. But I think that that's an
35:18
important aspect to this because I'm going to
35:19
be straight up with you. I'm not going to speak
35:21
for other people, but I guarantee you I'm going
35:23
to be speaking for other people when I say this.
35:25
I was raised Christian and black in America.
35:28
There's a bunch of walls right there in that
35:30
statement to stay away from sex magic. Culturally,
35:34
there's a lot of times when black people see
35:36
that and they go, oh, that ain't right. Because
35:41
Jesus, frankly. Because Christianity. They were
35:45
taught anything that says something like sex
35:48
magic, that must mean an antithesis of what I
35:52
was raised in. And that means it's wrong. And
35:55
that's the devil. That's the darkness. Shadow
35:59
sex magic especially. That's got to be evil.
36:02
I'm staying away from that. I'm not going to
36:04
that haunted house. There's a lot of things about
36:06
my upbringing that caused me to push this away.
36:11
to laugh at it to diminish it and to not give
36:15
it the credence it deserved and also just my
36:19
scientific mind the fact that i am an empiricist
36:22
the fact that i am interested in what can you
36:25
prove that had an entire blind spot for me where
36:29
i was not looking at this because it isn't provable
36:33
in a certain way but i had to change my metrics
36:36
by what is real because again I was looking for
36:40
objective reality when I should have been looking
36:42
for what can be a subjective reality that I can
36:45
create. Pagan, let's talk about, let's talk about
36:48
you affecting other people, because this is all
36:52
making sense to me when I'm saying like, okay,
36:55
well, just for everybody, you know, just for
36:57
the audience to know, I had an, I've, I've had
37:00
an experience with this right. Actually, before
37:02
I met Siren, I dated a Hoodoo priestess who was
37:06
part of an order and everything. And she's pretty
37:10
much a witch. But from hoodoo is the original
37:14
African version of these beliefs. And she taught
37:19
me about sex magic. And she gave me really simple
37:23
things like just saying affirmations and visualizing.
37:26
So doing orgasms and things like that. I know
37:30
that's just the beginning of it. I thought she
37:31
only taught you to say roll time. That's a true
37:36
story. Oh, I had to poke that in there. I had
37:39
to poke that in there. Well, it's a true story.
37:41
Because he told me when I met, he's like, just
37:43
don't ever say roll tide when you're coming.
37:46
So, of course, I had to do it at least once.
37:48
I love how Siren trolls you while she's fucking
37:51
you. That's amazing. That's true love right there.
37:53
I do. I like to laugh during play. You know,
37:56
you're over here bringing people to the depths
37:58
of ecstasy. And I'm over there like this. Oh,
38:02
I got to tell you guys this interjection. It's
38:05
the opposite of sex magic. This guy, I was telling
38:10
him like, hey, you need to kind of like slow
38:13
down. You know, I'd like you to slow down with
38:16
things. And he said, well, if I slow down, he's
38:19
fairly new to the lifestyle. He said, I feel
38:21
like I'm making love to you and I only want to
38:23
make love to my girlfriend. And I said, we don't
38:26
make love, buddy. We're making friendship juice.
38:29
And I said, and I don't make love. I don't make
38:32
love to anyone but my husband because I'm too
38:34
busy making jokes. And he said, you got that
38:37
right. So he always tells me I'm a black woman
38:39
trapped in a white woman's body. Pretty funny.
38:42
Anyway, opposite of sex magic. All that was free.
38:45
All that was free. I had to lighten things up.
38:47
My brain was starting to contract and expand.
38:51
It's a lot for Siren. But that's what this podcast
38:53
is about. We are talking about bulls and everybody
38:58
else in the lifestyle from our perspective, and
39:01
we're talking to high -level operators, like
39:04
Mr. Mocha says. And so this is how deep high
39:08
-level operators go. Pagan's not going to call
39:11
himself that, but that's what I'm calling him.
39:13
Right. So let's talk about how it affects other
39:16
people. I get how it could affect me, but explain,
39:21
especially from a scientific perspective and
39:24
from the magic perspective, how that's affecting
39:28
my play partner. yeah well i mean there's a couple
39:31
of things like what's interesting to me is i
39:34
started looking into this and learning more about
39:36
it um even between people like what you're talking
39:40
about like how do i affect the person next to
39:42
me there's been like studies that they've done
39:45
where people who meditate or chant or just breathe
39:48
and sync with each other their brain waves start
39:52
to synchronize with each other the theta and
39:55
alpha i believe specifically They go into sync
39:59
with each other just by being near someone who's
40:03
meditating, chanting and breathing like you.
40:07
Also, your heart rhythms, your EEG patterns,
40:10
they can start to align. There's been studies
40:12
on this. That is something that we don't even
40:14
fully understand why that happens. But there's
40:17
a resonant field between people and it's measurable.
40:21
So I'm going to step in and be nerd and get so.
40:27
Siren is, she's a professional petty, nerdy petty.
40:30
So all of that you said, we have an exercise.
40:35
We don't chant, but we do pray together. I make
40:39
her put her hand on my heart to connect with
40:43
my heartbeat. And then we take three heavy coordinated
40:48
breaths together. And all of that has been scientifically
40:53
proven, as Pagan says. to align not only your
40:58
thought patterns but your heart rhythms and just
41:02
creates this insane connection and vibration
41:05
and eventually we've just started realizing this
41:09
and we've been doing this for about what two
41:11
years now mommy yeah yeah we are really starting
41:14
to think we're i will call her and be like hell's
41:17
thinking that she was like you know i was just
41:18
thinking that and then she'll do it to me she'll
41:22
call me and i was like i was just concerned about
41:24
that or i was just worried about that or i was
41:27
just going to call you about that and it is it's
41:30
real y 'all we do it it's real yeah we did it
41:33
since we moved in together we started it pretty
41:35
pretty quickly yeah we should really do it at
41:38
night too before bed yeah probably should that
41:41
would be done yeah and sometimes if i'm just
41:43
feeling anxious he'll pull me close and we'll
41:45
do the same thing yeah it's just like a decompression
41:48
exercise at any time of the day if i'm I'm feeling
41:50
anxious. Yeah. I'll say two things about that.
41:53
Let's say that, let's say I was skeptical about
41:56
that, which I'm not, but let's just say I was.
41:59
It's real to you guys. It works. So let's say
42:03
that I was like, oh, I don't know about the science
42:05
behind this. I'm skeptical. The placebo pill
42:09
that makes me not feel sick, to me, I don't give
42:12
a fuck if it's a placebo pill. I'm better. Right.
42:15
If I feel better, I am better. i understand what
42:21
you guys just said is actually being rooted in
42:24
the science that i've learned so i do believe
42:26
it scientifically but even if i didn't i would
42:29
be like that is you guys creating a reality between
42:33
the two of you is what you just described now
42:36
on top of what socrates which is saying like
42:38
there was a study in 2010 i think it's called
42:41
the energetic heart and electromagnetic fields
42:45
from our hearts they found out They extend like
42:49
three to 10 feet from your body. That's a real
42:52
thing. And that's what you're talking about with
42:54
the hard thing. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say
42:57
that is the day I believe in the law of attraction,
43:00
because if anybody has seen the secret, that's
43:03
like the biggest thing that they talk about,
43:04
the manifestation of the law of attraction. It
43:07
gives you this impression and people have claimed
43:09
that your energy can go out all the way to the
43:12
ends of the earth. And I'm like, it doesn't have
43:15
to. You do, because I saw that study, you vibrate
43:21
at certain frequencies. That frequency has a
43:24
signature. Other human beings, their heart and
43:27
EKG are picking that up. That frequency can be
43:31
carried. If you are manifesting something and
43:34
it needs to get to China, just by you being in
43:37
that vibration around just the people you're
43:41
around, it'll get there. It doesn't have to travel
43:47
hundreds of thousands of miles. It only has to
43:50
travel three to five feet. You just got to be
43:51
in proximity of other people and you got to be
43:54
vibrating the thing that you want. You have to
43:56
have the frequency of ecstasy or the frequency
44:00
of seduction or the frequency of confidence.
44:04
And the, how you vibrate the frequency is you
44:06
act that way. You talk that way. You think that
44:09
way you practice in your mind, in your eyes,
44:12
you just. be it by acting and thinking and practicing.
44:16
And so here's the thing. There was a TikTok I
44:19
saw. I loved it. I'm going to butcher it, but
44:21
I'm going to try to do it the best. It says,
44:23
Christians call it faith. Witches call it spells.
44:28
Scientists call it placebo. You know, mysticists
44:31
call it the law of attraction, but they all agree.
44:34
Absolutely. That's absolutely. That's a really
44:37
good way to put it. no matter what avenue that
44:41
you chose out of all those things you just said,
44:43
they're all arriving at the same place. And that's
44:46
where I've arrived, you know? And yeah, I think
44:49
that what you're talking about, you know, you,
44:51
you asked like, how, how can I influence someone
44:54
else just by being open and receptive? I'm influencing,
44:58
but I'm also, because I've done this a few times,
45:01
I'm able to communicate with a partner and I,
45:04
or partners with a couple. with a single person
45:08
and I'm able to tap into what resonates with
45:12
me and them and start building the foundation
45:16
stones of that pyramid or whatever that temple
45:21
is that we're building in that space that we're
45:24
in. And that to me is the real joy of it. is
45:29
i'm offering something to them but they are offering
45:32
something back to me i am just half of the yin
45:35
yang symbol floating out there in a nothingness
45:37
until i get my other half and or you know my
45:42
other third in the case two -thirds in the case
45:45
of like the triangle with a couple but what we
45:47
create together is far greater than anything
45:50
i could have created on my own there's no way
45:53
that i could get so I had a ceremony I did once
45:58
with a couple that's close to me. And I had my
46:02
cuckler, my cuck butler, he set up this space.
46:06
I rented out a dungeon here in LA. And we put
46:12
Matt at the beginning of the ceremony just to
46:14
kind of have the candles, have some incense to
46:19
take in the space. I had this music that I like
46:23
to use that's very tribal. You could pick whatever
46:25
you like that speaks to you. And we were able
46:27
to create, like, before there was anything sexual,
46:31
we were able to just create this literal triangle
46:34
between the three of us. And then as it went
46:37
on, we amplified it more and more. And that evening
46:41
ended with her, the wife, completely naked, covered
46:47
in runes that I painted on her with my fingers
46:51
and symbols. that energized the fuck out of her.
46:57
And she didn't even necessarily know what every
47:00
symbol meant, but she felt it. And that night
47:05
was transformative for all of us. And I didn't
47:09
fully know exactly what I was doing at that time.
47:12
I was doing baby steps, but that leap forward
47:15
with the intention when I was in sync with that
47:18
couple, that was another step forward. where
47:21
I was like this is a real thing and I want to
47:23
learn more about it because I'm able to bring
47:26
things to other people as well as myself so that's
47:29
another example Socrates of like how I'm able
47:32
to influence them but I want to stress their
47:35
influence feedback well I'm very fascinated but
47:39
with this but you know what we are coming up
47:41
on time so one I would love to you to just maybe
47:46
kind of give us a closing statement on what you
47:49
feel about it and you know, where people can
47:53
get more information about it. And then I'd love
47:55
for you to come back and give us a part two,
47:57
man, because there's so many other things I want
47:59
to dive into with this. It would also be cool
48:02
if there was some sort of kind of like beginner,
48:05
you know, three -step process or something to
48:09
kind of just introducing yourself that was super
48:12
simple for people like me that this was like,
48:14
wow, that sounds fascinating, but I couldn't
48:17
absorb. all of it right so just something sure
48:20
a little more simplistic that we can put in the
48:22
show notes even i mean you could list it now
48:25
or we could you could send it to us and we could
48:26
put it in the show notes then that would just
48:28
i think would be helpful too but we really appreciate
48:31
you being yeah absolutely in fact that might
48:33
be something better for me to like send you to
48:36
put in the show notes absolutely so since we're
48:39
since we're up on the hour now but absolutely
48:41
and and it's these are things that um you know
48:45
what's great is it's readily available siren
48:47
for people if you if you look up sex magic for
48:52
instance on youtube there's going to be a ton
48:54
of information from people you can pick whatever
48:56
style you like whatever person you like and they're
49:00
going to give you a lot of those tools that you
49:02
can start out with what i would just say really
49:05
quickly though is creating an intention around
49:09
something because what we haven't talked about
49:12
is the fact that sex magic can be used for anything
49:14
I personally use it for sexual things. But people
49:18
use sex magic for everything that they want to
49:22
give attention to in the manifest. From career
49:25
goals to health to money, they're harnessing
49:29
the power of sex for that. That's not my wheelhouse.
49:33
I use it kind of for sexual amplification. I'm
49:37
not trying to, like, figure out my financial
49:40
gain through it. But that is a thing. so whatever
49:43
your intention is that's what i'm focusing on
49:46
that yeah so whatever your intention is focusing
49:50
on that choosing a partner who is receptive i
49:55
don't want to give any rules as you can tell
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but i would dare say choosing someone who you
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align with who is on the same page as you who
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resonates with you as opposed to just a one -night
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stand is obviously going to give you better results
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right Because you want to have that flow of energy
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back and forth, circular. Absolutely. So, yeah,
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absolutely. So intention, partner, or no partner,
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by the way. I want to stress, you do not have
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to have a partner for this. But I have found
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that that obviously amplifies it. And then choosing
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your pathway. I talked about some of the avenues
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from interracial, the power of that. do the triangles
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it could be this you know um certain signals
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it could be things from you know your ancestral
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past if you are of african ancestry if you're
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you know from ireland there might be a celtic
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thing that speaks to you it could be a family
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thing whatever that is totems i was at an event
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the other day a couple weeks ago and i was having
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a really amazing session with a wife and the
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husband was kind of over in the cup chair And
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I looked down and he had a talisman in his hand
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that he had gotten when they were traveling in
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another country. And it was like a little fetish
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idol with the big breasts and the big hips and
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everything, you know, that we've seen in like
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all those ancient cultures have. And he was over
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there like holding it and stroking it while he
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was watching his wife get fucked. And I didn't
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even know he had that. I didn't know that they
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were like that about this, but I was like, oh,
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we're going to go places with this couple because
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we're all on the same page. So there's these
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things that you can have, even if it's a totem
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or something that's powerful to you and just
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focusing your intention. And while you're having
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sex, harnessing your energy and then focusing
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on that thing that you want, whatever that want
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is. That's the very basic thing I'll say to answer
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you, Siren. And that can actually just be my
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closing thing, Socrates. It's just my only thing
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I would say is as much as you can, if there's
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anything that's getting in your way of saying
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that this isn't something for you, that's fine
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for something not to be something for you. But
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take a moment to question why. You know, why
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are you skeptical about it? Why don't you believe
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it? What I found for me personally is the reasons
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why I weren't good enough. It was my programming.
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it was a lot of things that i don't even necessarily
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agree with anymore bleeding over into this and
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making me go yeah i don't know about that once
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i let go of that a whole gateway and i mean literally
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a gateway to another universe has opened up for
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me so i wish that for everyone within the sound
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of our voices if they're able to come into something
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that's going to open just an abundance of riches
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And otherwise, maybe give this a try and find
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whatever avenue works for you and just build
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on it. And I guarantee you're going to find a
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beautiful new arena that you never saw before
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because your antenna are going to start to grow
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and you're going to start picking up those sex
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magic frequencies. I love it. Dope, dope, dope.
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Take it away. Good deal, man. I learned a lot
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tonight. I really did. Sex magic is something
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that I might have to dive into in the very near
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future. Again, ladies and gentlemen, give it
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up for Pagan. And he has really, really taught
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me a lot tonight. And I hope he comes back for
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part two of the topic of sex magic. For Socrates,
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Siren, myself, as well as Pagan, Until we meet
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again, ladies and gentlemen, as usual, from the
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Bull Brotherhood to all the brothers out there,
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I bid you guys goodnight. To all my hot wives
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and sexy singles ladies out there, good morning.
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I'm the Sigma Male, Brian Morgan. Until we meet
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again, I'll be to say cheers, bye -bye, goodnight.