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The Search For Debanhi Escobar Comes To A Grim Conclusion · The Moscow Murders and More

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. The
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  Speaker 1: other day we were talking about the missing girl down
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  Speaker 1: in Mexico named Bonnie Escobar and unfortunately her body has
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  Speaker 1: been found. So somebody killed her while she was left
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  Speaker 1: on the side of that road. And the scary part is,
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  Speaker 1: as you're going to see in this article, she is
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  Speaker 1: not the only one. Now There are many factors to
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  Speaker 1: consider when wondering what occurred here. But I always keep
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  Speaker 1: in mind that we're talking about one of the most
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  Speaker 1: violent places in the world. So it's hard to jump
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  Speaker 1: to conclusions and say, oh, there's someone preying upon the
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  Speaker 1: young women here as far as like a serial killer
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  Speaker 1: or something. But. the details that are coming out of
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  Speaker 1: this state in Mexico are very, very disturbing. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that they're going to need a much deeper and
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  Speaker 1: professional look. They should bring in some sort of expert
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  Speaker 1: as far as if this is some sort of serial
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  Speaker 1: killer of some sort. All right, let's get to this
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  Speaker 1: article from the Associated Press. The author of this article
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  Speaker 1: is the Associated Press. Headline, Mexican police find body of
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  Speaker 1: missing woman in cistern. The haunting story of a young
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  Speaker 1: woman left on the side of a highway late at
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  Speaker 1: night in northern Mexico ended in tragedy Friday after her
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  Speaker 1: decomposing body was found in a subterranean water tank at
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  Speaker 1: a motel. Okay, right away, what? How does the body
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  Speaker 1: get into a subterranean water tank? Pretty sure she didn't
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  Speaker 1: go there herself. Assistant Public Secretary Ricardo Meja said Friday
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  Speaker 1: the woman's body, which was apparently unrecognizable after what may
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  Speaker 1: have been nearly two weeks in the water, had a
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  Speaker 1: crucifix necklace and clothing that Deboni Escobar was wearing that night.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine getting that call. You're sitting there, you're waiting, you're
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  Speaker 1: hoping beyond hope that your daughter is going to come home,
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  Speaker 1: your young daughter. and then to get the call that
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  Speaker 1: you have to come and ID her body, and the
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  Speaker 1: only way you can do that is by what she
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  Speaker 1: was wearing and a piece of her jewelry? There's a
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  Speaker 1: special place in hell for whoever killed this young lady.
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  Speaker 1: And despite what authorities in the northern border state of
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  Speaker 1: Nuevo Leon described as a massive search for her, the
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  Speaker 1: story ended the way it often does in Mexico, when
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  Speaker 1: her rotting body was found by locals. The alert was
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  Speaker 1: sounded by hotel workers because of the fetid odors coming
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  Speaker 1: from the area, Meha said. And we saw this in
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  Speaker 1: Atlantic City, right? With the eastbound strangler, the Atlantic City strangler,
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  Speaker 1: how he would put the girls in the ditch and
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  Speaker 1: position their heads pointed east. So another person who thinks
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  Speaker 1: it's a good idea to put women's bodies in you know,
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  Speaker 1: watering holes and water tanks so that they could just
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  Speaker 1: decompose for their families to find. What is wrong with humanity, honestly?
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  Speaker 1: I sit around and we read these stories and I
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  Speaker 1: see other things on the news that I don't even
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  Speaker 1: talk about because they're so disturbing. But what is wrong
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  Speaker 1: with people? You see this poor girl standing in the
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  Speaker 1: street and you want to hurt her? The story of
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  Speaker 1: the Bonnie Escobar made headlines because of a haunting photo
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  Speaker 1: taken by a driver who was supposed to take her
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  Speaker 1: home that night. It was not clear why she got
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  Speaker 1: out of the car, but her father, Mario Escobar, said
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors told him that surveillance camera footage suggested the driver
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  Speaker 1: had inappropriately touched his daughter. Well, there you have it.
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  Speaker 1: This sick bastard driver that her friends hooked her up with,
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  Speaker 1: great friends by the way, made a disgusting move on
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  Speaker 1: her and touched her inappropriately, according to the dad and
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  Speaker 1: the camera footage. So this guy has to be the suspect, right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, at least he has to be somebody who's
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  Speaker 1: being looked at very thoroughly. I suppose that my daughter
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  Speaker 1: did not put up with the harassment, her father said.
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  Speaker 1: The driver has been detained, though his full name has
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  Speaker 1: not been released. Escobar said while the driver may not
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  Speaker 1: have killed her, He was responsible for the Bonnie's death. Agreed.
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  Speaker 1: You don't leave somebody out there like that. Drive them
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  Speaker 1: someplace where there is people. Take them to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a well-lit area where they can get another cab or
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  Speaker 1: another taxi service. Or if you don't want them in
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  Speaker 1: your taxi, then let them out and pull over on
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  Speaker 1: the side a little ways up and wait for them
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  Speaker 1: to get into another vehicle. Don't just take a picture
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  Speaker 1: of her and then drive off like you have no
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  Speaker 1: responsibility for that girl you just left there. What the
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  Speaker 1: hell is wrong with you? The driver, who worked for
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  Speaker 1: a taxi application, took the photo to show Escobar got
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  Speaker 1: out of his car alive on April 8th on the
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  Speaker 1: outskirts of the city of Monterey. That's so sus as well.
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  Speaker 1: Why would you take a picture of that girl and say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: she was okay? Why not sit around and wait for
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  Speaker 1: her to get into a different vehicle? And then take
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  Speaker 1: the picture. All right, well, we had this argument. And
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  Speaker 1: what I did was, since I didn't want it to escalate,
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  Speaker 1: I let her get out of the vehicle. I pulled
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  Speaker 1: my car over to the side of the road. And
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  Speaker 1: I sat there until she got another car. How difficult
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  Speaker 1: is that? So the whole entire thing with the driver
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  Speaker 1: here is getting my bat tinglys going, my spider sense going.
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  Speaker 1: And I have a funny feeling that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: hear a little bit more down the road that this
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  Speaker 1: guy was involved one way or the other. The driver,
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  Speaker 1: who worked for a taxi application, took the photo to
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  Speaker 1: show Escobar got out of his car alive on April
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  Speaker 1: 8th on the outskirts of the city of Monterey. There
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  Speaker 1: she was, a young woman, standing alone at night on
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  Speaker 1: the side of a highway, wearing a skirt and high-top sneakers.
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  Speaker 1: Not just any highway, the highway of death. Over 11,000
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  Speaker 1: people have been killed and gone missing on this highway.
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  Speaker 1: And you're a local there. You're a taxi driver there.
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  Speaker 1: You know all the ins and the outs. And you're
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  Speaker 1: going to leave this poor girl there? The image seemed
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  Speaker 1: to speak of the tremendous vulnerability and the self-assuredness or
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  Speaker 1: desperation of the young woman. Hey, look, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: about self-assuredness, but if you're being touched inappropriately, why are
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  Speaker 1: you going to stay in the vehicle with somebody? Call
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  Speaker 1: the cops. Get out. So I don't. I don't fault
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  Speaker 1: her for wanting to get out of this vehicle and
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  Speaker 1: get away from this guy. But if he didn't do it,
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  Speaker 1: then she got out of one dangerous situation and ended
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  Speaker 1: up in one that was even worse. Nobody saw her
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  Speaker 1: until late Thursday when investigators managed to pull her body
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  Speaker 1: from the 12-foot, 4-meter-deep water tank near a pool at
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  Speaker 1: the Roadside Motel. Mario Escobar said he was sure Dabani
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  Speaker 1: was dead. My daughter is dead. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: to do, Escobar said. The prosecutors didn't do their job correctly. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: sounds like all the prosecutors the world over, it seems.
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  Speaker 1: You know that in America right now, authorities are only
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  Speaker 1: clearing like 60% of the homicides that they get across
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  Speaker 1: our desk. That means 40% of murderers get away with it.
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  Speaker 1: 40% in the United States. Can you imagine what it's
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  Speaker 1: like down in Mexico where they're pressed so thin because
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  Speaker 1: of the cartel war, all of the different violence that's
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  Speaker 1: popping up because of the gang? It's very, very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: And in the best of circumstances, it's hard to close
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  Speaker 1: out these murders. But right now, forget it. Everywhere is struggling.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the right time if you're a predator
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  Speaker 1: or if you're somebody who wants to prey on young
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  Speaker 1: women or young boys or anyone, this would be the
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  Speaker 1: perfect opportunity to do so. Authorities did not say how
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  Speaker 1: her body wound up in the underground tank, a common
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  Speaker 1: feature in Mexico where local water systems aren't pressurized and
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  Speaker 1: every household has to have a tank to store incoming
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  Speaker 1: water for later use. President AMLO said Friday, the case
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  Speaker 1: has caused logically a lot of worry, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: concern among Mexicans. I've got several emails from listeners in
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  Speaker 1: Mexico who have expressed serious concerns about what's going on,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't blame them. There are people that are
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  Speaker 1: legitimately fearful that there's some kind of psycho out here stalking.
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  Speaker 1: And while, you know, there's not enough evidence that I
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  Speaker 1: have seen so far to, you know, dive on board there,
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  Speaker 1: it's certainly very concerning. Critics, meaning the people, are disturbed
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  Speaker 1: by the fact that even when authorities are spurred to
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  Speaker 1: act by public outcry, investigations are seldom very timely or efficient. Again,
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  Speaker 1: that comes down to resources, right? They don't have the resources,
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  Speaker 1: the money, to really dig into these things the way
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  Speaker 1: that they should. And we know that predators will take
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  Speaker 1: advantage of that. During the week, that investigator said 200
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  Speaker 1: personnel used drones, search dogs, and reviews of security. camera
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  Speaker 1: footage to look for Dabani, her body was actually lying
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  Speaker 1: not far from where she was last seen. The president
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  Speaker 1: pledged to help prosecutors find the culprit, but in fact,
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  Speaker 1: the killings of women have increased in recent years, rising
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  Speaker 1: from 977 in 2020 to 1015 in 2021. And those
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  Speaker 1: were just the cases classified as feminicides, a legal term
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  Speaker 1: used in Mexico in cases where women are killed because
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  Speaker 1: of their gender. killings of overall women are much higher. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they are, because women are in the game. And when
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  Speaker 1: I say the game, I'm talking about the drug game.
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  Speaker 1: There's definitely women who are running around operating as narcos. Yo,
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  Speaker 1: this game is widespread, folks, and I don't think people
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  Speaker 1: in America really understand just how ingrained in society it is.
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  Speaker 1: Just before Dabani disappeared, another woman was murdered in Monterey.
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  Speaker 1: Maria Fernanda Contreras, 27. A suspect, apparently, a friend or
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  Speaker 1: acquaintance of the woman, has been arrested in that case.
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  Speaker 1: And during the week authorities were searching for Dabani, local
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  Speaker 1: media reported that the bodies of five other women and
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  Speaker 1: girls had been found in the state. Now, considering it's
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  Speaker 1: such a violent place, that wasn't enough to make me
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  Speaker 1: really sit up and pay real attention here to it
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  Speaker 1: being something more than just acts of violence. You know,
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  Speaker 1: random acts of violence or violence of opportunity. And this
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  Speaker 1: is why. The victims had all been reported missing around
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  Speaker 1: the same time as the Bonnie and all of them
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  Speaker 1: four were 16 or younger were found dead. So when
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  Speaker 1: you have a profile like that, that's built all around
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  Speaker 1: the same age, all that, you know, they, they look alike.
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  Speaker 1: They're all in the same area. I find that very,
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  Speaker 1: very concerning. And as somebody who does a bit of
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  Speaker 1: research into the history of serial killers and their patterns,
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  Speaker 1: I would really love to see what an algorithm map
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  Speaker 1: has to say about what's going on down there. And
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  Speaker 1: when you have this sort of thing, four girls, same age,
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  Speaker 1: same area, same likeness, a lot of times you're dealing
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  Speaker 1: with a sick bastard, folks. Angelica Orzaco, who leads the
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  Speaker 1: relatives group United Forces for our Disappeared in Nuevo Leon State,
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  Speaker 1: said the problem is not only that authorities are slow
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  Speaker 1: to investigate and do it badly, but they also tend
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  Speaker 1: to blame the victims. The first thing they do, they
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  Speaker 1: don't carry out diligent investigations or searches. And the second
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  Speaker 1: thing are the statements issued by authorities, in some cases
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  Speaker 1: linking them to illegal activities. Orozco said, they love to
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  Speaker 1: do that in America too, right? Oh, well, they were prostitutes.
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  Speaker 1: They were leading a high volatility lifestyle, a high risk lifestyle,
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  Speaker 1: as if that makes them any less human or less
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  Speaker 1: someone's daughter any less. That kind of stuff really bothers me.
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  Speaker 1: A human being is a human being. She was particularly
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  Speaker 1: disturbed when the Nuevo León state prosecutor, Gustavo Guerrero, said
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  Speaker 1: Thursday that most women disappear voluntarily or as an act
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  Speaker 1: of rebellion. That's that old, weird mentality of thinking. That
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  Speaker 1: is not the case. While it is possible and it
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  Speaker 1: does happen a lot of times that women do. Some
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  Speaker 1: women do just say, you know what, I'm done. I'm
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  Speaker 1: out of here. But when you've got a situation like this,
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  Speaker 1: a young 18-year-old girl who was just in a cab,
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  Speaker 1: just partying, was on her way home and she disappears?
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  Speaker 1: That's an act of rebellion? Or it's voluntary? Come on, ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: The main reason for the disappearances of women is because
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  Speaker 1: of a lack of communication with their families, because of
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  Speaker 1: disputes with them, because of the rebellion of young people,
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  Speaker 1: Garado said. The range of age of most of the
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  Speaker 1: women who disappear is from 14 to 25. But it's
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  Speaker 1: not due to crime, but rather a voluntary situation. Wow. Yo,
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  Speaker 1: people down in Nuevo Leon, I feel bad for you folks.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, if your government's not going to look deeper
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  Speaker 1: into it, I guess it's up to independent content creators
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  Speaker 1: and researchers to do their job. It would be nice
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  Speaker 1: if the Fourth Estate would pay attention. The women all
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  Speaker 1: fit an age range, 14 to 25. All of them
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  Speaker 1: share a likeness. They're all in the same area. And
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  Speaker 1: we know that there's no task force looking to find
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  Speaker 1: out what happened here. Hell, you got the governor still
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  Speaker 1: blaming the victims. That view was refuted by Maria de
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  Speaker 1: la Estrada of the activist group National Feminicide Observatory, who
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  Speaker 1: said it had become a depressing pattern that when women disappear,
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  Speaker 1: they turn up dead. It's very serious and lamentable, Estrada said,
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  Speaker 1: of the Bonnie's case. But that has become a pattern
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  Speaker 1: in recent years. Disappearances become crimes like feminicide. Yo, I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you what. Obviously, I'm just speculating. I don't have any,
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  Speaker 1: you know, inside information to any sort of evidence or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. I'm just going on what I've seen here,
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  Speaker 1: what I've heard here, and what I've read in emails
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  Speaker 1: from listeners who live in the vicinity. And boy, oh boy,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty disturbing. If this was happening in America, say
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  Speaker 1: this was happening in any town America, it would be
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  Speaker 1: all over the place. All of these girls missing, the
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  Speaker 1: same age range, found in this ditch, and every single
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  Speaker 1: one of them who gets snatched ends up dead. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying all of them, you know, is the
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  Speaker 1: work of a sick serial killer or something, but it's
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  Speaker 1: certainly a scenario that I hope the authorities are looking into,
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  Speaker 1: because this doesn't smell right to me, folks. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: add up, and something definitely, definitely seems off. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: wish that we had better news to share with you
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  Speaker 1: today about Debeny. I wish that they found her and
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  Speaker 1: I wish it was an act of rebellion. But as
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  Speaker 1: we know, people who follow this kind of thing are
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  Speaker 1: interested in this kind of thing. Usually when these girls
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  Speaker 1: go missing, this is the result. If they're not found
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  Speaker 1: right away, this is usually the result. And I highly
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  Speaker 1: doubt that Debeny decided to end up in that water
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  Speaker 1: drainage ditch on her own. If you'd like to contact me,
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  Speaker 1: hope everybody's having a great night, and hopefully everybody's having
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  Speaker 1: a safe one.